"Thank you my son"

[jag5311]

Figured I would start a thread that discusses this specific quote.

I found it an interesting choice of words on Lionel's part after

a. Seeing Clarks abilities in live mode
b. Previously having Jor-El in him

I wonder if that quote had anything to do with Jor-El possible continued presence?

Thoughts?

[bkzcici]

I thought I heard a change of voice in Lionel when he said that!

[jag5311]

yea, me to.. it was strange.

A part of me wonders if he "acts" bad because that is who Lionel IS and is known for...and maybe Jor-El plays a large part of his existance...or what.

[xrayvision]

Maybe just like Clark puts on a mild-mannered reporter face to cover his true self, Lionel is putting on an evil businessman face to cover his true self. If they used that logic that after having Clark's soul in his body in Transference he became a good guy, then after also having Jorel's spirit in him, he should be a saint.

Perhaps this is an act to dissuade Lex or anyone else from finding out that he is really helping the Kents. I've thought for a while that he knew Clark's secret. I think Lionel knows that Lex would never stop bothering him if he sensed something, so by disguising himself to be evil, nobody would have any such ideas.

[Thil_EL]

maybe he wants to start a new famil
lional +martha and raising clark!

[allison89]

I noticed the change in his voice too...There was deffintly something going on in that scene, I'm just not sure what...

[Bobbie]

the three of us watching thought the same thing about the voice............hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Superboy2]

I noticed it to. What I don't get, is why didn't Clark tell his parents or Chloe about Jor-El inside Lionel? It's about time, its been 10 episodes since that happened. And Clark didn't seem at odds when Lionel said that.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Thil_EL
maybe he wants to start a new famil
lional +martha and raising clark!

For some reason I was thinking along these lines back when I first heard of the "someone close to you will die" prophecy. I had a feeling that had it been Jonathan, that they would have Lionel replace him as the man of the family. It just sounds too crazy and I hope they don't do it. I would like to see him become a family friend though.

I think that would really drive Lex over the edge.

[BadToad]

What I got from that scene was that Lionel knows about Clark, and Clark knows Lionel knows. And I'm not sure where that is going, but that scene just sent a chill down my spine, and thats a good thing.

[opera_ghost]

at least I'm not the only one who picked up on the fact that the person talking at that moment may not have been lionel.

[Thil_EL]

Originally posted by xrayvision
For some reason I was thinking along these lines back when I first heard of the "someone close to you will die" prophecy. I had a feeling that had it been Jonathan, that they would have Lionel replace him as the man of the family. It just sounds too crazy and I hope they don't do it. I would like to see him become a family friend though.

I think that would really drive Lex over the edge.

well wouldnt that be a good thing??

lional ,martha dn clark the happy family..
vs
the lonely lex.. oh wait thers lana..
so maybe it will play out like that

[Superboy2]

Why hasn't Clark said anything to the kents or Chloe about him?

[PATMAN]

his voice was different when he was lion-EL, so Jor-El was there for sure

[red-K glory]

i noticed the change in his voice too. at first i thought jor-el was somehow inhabiting his body again but i just convinced myself that i was being wierd. but since everyone else has noticed the change in his voice, then maybe there is still some "Lion-el" activity going on inside lionel

[xrayvision]

Not really related to the topic, but does anyone think that Shelby has gone the way of Henry Small? We haven't seem him in a while. Maybe Jorel sacrificed him as well.

[opera_ghost]

Shelby was on the episode last week Xray....

[SeanZo]

Have any of you ever been choked before? Your voice changes substantially. Lionel was in a choke hold by a superpowered ***** out for vengeance so you can imagine how hard it would be to talk normally.

Jor-El is no longer in Lionel anymore. I have seen absolutely nothing to make me keep believing that as Lionel only continues to get worse and worse.

[jag5311]

Do you think that it was sincere with the "Thank you" because MAYBE if Lionel was to die, then Jor-El would die with him?

To be honest, that type of continuity is something I don't think the writers would pick up on to add to the script.

[jdg]

Maybe he's just saying that to warm Clark up to the idea that Lionel wants to jump on his mom ?

[superspider02]

i really dont know what to think about the whole lionel thing. HE coiuld still ahve jorel in him and he is faking to every one or it could just be lionel being lionel and up to his own games which we dont know what is what at this time.

[knight150]

IDK i didnt think anything of it when i saw it, until i seen this thread and now that i think of it it was kinda funny how they were standing side by side in the window and the son party does sound different. May be onto somethin maybe not. Guess well never know

[jtatsiue]

Originally posted by BadToad
What I got from that scene was that Lionel knows about Clark, and Clark knows Lionel knows. And I'm not sure where that is going, but that scene just sent a chill down my spine, and thats a good thing.

So, if Lionel knows then that makes the content of the paper LL held up before JK last week all the more intriguing. LL knew Clark's adoption was a sham 15 years ago when he orchestrated it. Knowing LL I'm sure he began looking into Clark's true identity immediately. So the question is, how long has LL suspected Clark's other-worldly origin and preternatural gifts? He's way ahead of Lex is this regard and that works to Clark's advantage since LL seems content to protect Clark's secret even if its only out of a desire to remain one-up on his son.

[mandylilc14]

i dont know if jor-el was in lionel's body still or what but that scene irritated me with the lack of action or resistance from clark after lionel called him son...it just seems like there should have been a weird look or something

[jag5311]

unless Clark has known what Lionel knows for quite some time...and we the viewers haven't.

Maybe Clark knows Jor-El is in his body....

We never saw what interaction took place between Clark and Lionel/Jor-El after Clarks life was saved in the FOS.

[OutlawAngel]

I am so conffused as I said in another thread durring the scene where Lionel was aboutto go splat I was yelling at the tv that I hate Lionel so much that I love him but maybe he really is good but he cant be because he is the MB but then amybe he isnt but then again he helped kill Jonathan

*sigh*

I am going crazy. This is proof. I was arguing with myself about how much I love/hate Lionel Luther

[Magnus1105]

It was not just what he said, it was also they way he said it and how he placed his arm on Clarks shoulder afterwords. There was some definite importance to that scene. They even gave us a fade away scene between the two with Lional keeping his arm on his shoulder and looking at him like a father.

[svsabbiesv]

I just thought the voice was just different due to all that wind blowing in their face. But yea I felt a slight twinge of seeing these two together...the whole hand on his shoulder "thank you my son" and then you move back the camera to view that! ahhh we shall see what the future of Mionel

[jag5311]

yea, I saw that. His hand never left....and Clark didn't flinch.

Clark might be naive sometimes...but he is also in a state of mind where anything bad said about his dad he will get pissed...so I think he AND Lionel know more than what us visitors have learned.

[Billy Jor-El]

It definitely caught my attention, and I'm glad the rest of the group here also saw/heard something in it. Yes, perhaps the MB is doing his own secret identity thing.....

[j-kent]

about the voice changing i think you guys are looking into too much he's definitely just lionel.

[KRAM-el]

I don't know about anyone else, but I saw a BIG parallel to a scene in SWIII w/ Palpatine & Anakin ("I need your help, son")... It gave me chills... :eek:

[sstray72]

Aside from the voice change, which was caused by the choke, the entire "thank you son" with no reaction from Clark once again caused me MUCH CONFUSION regarding Lionel. The majority of the time he seems to be straight up badass MB Lionel, but then he pops up with knowledge of Milton Fine, seems to have evidence of Clark's abilities, and is calling Clark "son." :confused:

WHO ARE YOU, LIONEL???!!!

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by sstray72


WHO ARE YOU, LIONEL???!!!

Can anybody say "CLIONEL"??? (Good grief, am I gonna get hate mail on that one... *sigh*)... :eek: :rotfl: :p

[sstray72]

:lol: I said Chlartha on the other thread... why not? :p

[OutlawAngel]

Many traumatizations I am getting from this show :lol:

And I love it!!!

[Harmon_7]

I heard it too. Infact Afterwards I kept listening for it again. What he said bothered me though. I still can't figure out how (a human) Lionel could have managed to get out of the barn and off the farm without Clark knowing he was there after JK's heart attack either. I can't imagine he crawled across the "back forty".

[Morbo]

Now if Lionel was still jor-el why would clark need to save him? Did he lose is superpowers in Jor-El mode. My guess is that after Jor-el left Lionel we got some Jornel


Lion-El: Surprised to see me?

Clark: No.

Lion-El: Then you're aware of it.


Clark: Of what?

Lion-El: Our connection. I don't fully understand how it happened, perhaps some part of Lionel imprinted on to me, something overwritten or copied, it is at this point irrelevant. What matters is whatever happened, happened for a reason.


Clark: And what reason is that?

Lion-El: I revived you Kal-El, I watched you die and brought you back, with a certain satisfaction I might add. And then something happened. Something that I knew was impossible but it happened anyway. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey.

Clark: Congratulations.

Lion-El: Thank you. But, as you well know appearances can be decieving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We are not here because we're free, we're here because we are not free. There is no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.

[Snarf]

Originally posted by xrayvision
Maybe just like Clark puts on a mild-mannered reporter face to cover his true self, Lionel is putting on an evil businessman face to cover his true self. If they used that logic that after having Clark's soul in his body in Transference he became a good guy, then after also having Jorel's spirit in him, he should be a saint.

This is a exiting idea, but if he was a real good-guy, would he really have shown the picture (probably of clarck beeing all super) to jonathan (in ep 12)? It seemed like that was kindof a "I`ve GOT something on you"- show of power, that backfired...

[jag5311]

nice nod to the Matrix movie :)

[TARDIS Team]

I really don’t think the photo was as simple as Clark doing something super, nor do I think Lionel is good anymore, otherwise I doubt he would have gone to see Jonathan that night. No, something is going on, but I think it’s either going to be far more complicated or far less complicated than I think it will be. There isn’t going to be a happy medium.

The “Thank you, son,” scene did leave me feeling like we were not privy to vital, need to know information, but in a good way. I’ve always loved Lionel, and his character is becoming intriguing again.

[auctionrick]

I think it was more about Clarks "non reaction" to what Lionel said and did when he said my son and had his hand on Clarks shoulder rather than what voice Lionel used. When I saw it happening I said to myself That 's really strange that Clark didn't react, especially after just losing his father and not being able to come to grips with it.
Either the writers blew it by not having Clark react, or there is something going on that we don't know about, but are to suspect.
Just maybe...

[Snarf]

BTW: Anybody ever catch the show "Brimstone", where Lionel/Glover portrays the Devil? By far the best interpretation I´ve ever seen. Especially in a scene where the main character goes to meet with the devil and finds him tying the shoelaces together on homless people`s shoes. THAT`s just beeing an *******. Really funny.

I just saw the show again last week and suddenly the Devil seemed so fermiliar.

[hahnyc87]

or maybe it was because he was nearly choked to death... when you are nearly choked like that, your voice changes for atleast a minute after... I have had something fall on my neck before... not pleasant... for 30 seconds after i had a scratchy deeper voice

[longun]

The writers are not stupid and they know the fans arn't either. they did it on purpose I'm sure. Its a little tease to keep people wondering whats going on. We will find out soon enough.

The voice might not be important but saying "thank you my son" just after clarks lost his Dad is. Considering clarks mood that sort of comment would have got a reaction I'm sure.

[jag5311]

so that definitly means something is up...

[The Great Ymmij]

Yeah, I thought I was the only one that thought he might be Jor-El again, but apparently, I'm not the only one, hehe. Very very interesting scene.

[Duncan]

Clark knows Lionel is responsible for holding Lex back a great deal, not to mention that he's helping to keep the secret, despite what his father may have told him.

Don't forget that "son" is a word that's often used by "men of age" ;) to refer to younger guys. Anyway, looking forward to some Mionel!

[Morbo]

I rather have Mart-El or Jortha.

[Coyote]

Yeah, Lionel didn't say "my son". He just said "son." It's not uncommon for older guys to address boys and young men as "son." So it probably wasn't Jor-El speaking, but may have been a subtle attempt by Lionel to position himself closer to the Kent family circle in Clark's mind.

[tw190]

Holy crap, I just got it. With the "son" thing referencing to Jor-El/Lion-El and all. God, I feel stupid. :lol:

Before, I just thought it was a generic term but now maybe it was Jor-El thanking Clark.


Originally posted by Coyote
Yeah, Lionel didn't say "my son". He just said "son." It's not uncommon for older guys to address boys and young men as "son." So it probably wasn't Jor-El speaking, but may have been a subtle attempt by Lionel to position himself closer to the Kent family circle in Clark's mind.

Makes sense.

[mosespeach]

Just adding to the discussion that I noticed the voice change as well. Plus, the way he put his hand on Clark's shoulder was very "fatherly". It's either Jor-El in there, or Lionel is planning some serious mind-games for Martha and Clark.

[Backward Galaxy]

He seemed very much like the old Lionel in all his scenes with Lex... even if he did come out with the short straw.

I can't see Jor-El still being in there, but Lionel's had one for Martha for a while now. It stands to reason that a businessman like Lionel sees Jonathan's death more as an opportunity than as a tragedy.

[smvfan]

Don't forget that the batgirl was holding Lionel by his neck so the voice change was likely nothing more than a side effect of that.

Also, it was "thank you, son", not "my son".. that makes a big difference IMO.

I think the MB Lionel is back and has been for a few episodes now.

[jag5311]

but the hand on the shoulder as well as the long stares into the distance said something to me....like something else is there.

Clark is a man, and I am sorry but if I just lost my dad, anyone who calls me "son" will get a dirty look and maybe a "I am not your son" type of comment.

I realize the term "son" is an "older term" used, but I have never heard it used with Lionel other then to Lex.

[Remus]

I was thinking during the episode that it was odd that Clark didn't even give him an odd glance when he called him his son... I still think that there is some Lion-El plot left!

[xrayvision]

Lionel never called Clark son before, so it is strange. He always called him by his first name or other times Mr. Kent. I think he feels close to Clark for some reason.

[Kryptomaniac]

Errrr...ain't Lionel suppose to be in jail for murder? This character really needs to get his comeuppinns. The sooner the better.

[xanadu314]

well when he said "thank you my son" i thought he was gonna say "thank you kal-el" instead.

[tejdog1]

THAT would've been amazing to see. Lionel out of the blue just busting out with "Thank you, Kal-El." Man.

[SamBanksJLA]

I think that would be awesome too.

[XKnight]

I noticed the voice change the first time I saw the scene, and at first I thought it a bit odd. All of us obviously noticed it. I honestly don't think it has anything meaningful past the fact that they're standing in a very windy spot, and Lionel was just being choked. I noticed the second time through, though, that Clark's voice wasn't affected by the wind. *shrug* I don't think it means anything, really.

As for the 'thank you, son' part--the impression I had was that Lionel was just trying to pat him on the back for saving him once again. Even if he's never called Clark 'son' before, I don't think it makes this situation particularly special. Maybe Lionel felt awkward at having been saved from a woman. :D

[SamBanksJLA]

I think that it may have been done as sort of a slap in the face to Lex. Because all that Lex has ever wanted is to have a father that loved him. And for Lionel to call Clark 'son' it is kind of a slap in the face to Lex.

That's what I first thought right after the scene anyway.

[BoSoxJim]

are we sure he's never said that to clark before?

[SamBanksJLA]

I'm not sure.

[jaime,oburg]

"Thank you son" IMO were carefully chosen words on the part of the writers. The line was put in on purpose to create discussion like this. TPTB set the hook and we the loyal fans took the bait.

[warriorrenegade]

Did anyone notice how Lionel was looking at Clark while he was looking out the window. To me it seemed that Jor-nel was in awe of his son.. I don't know maybe it was just me.

[dontkillchloe]

If it was really just Lionel..then that means he knows about Clark. And if you guys say that maybe clark knows that he knows..don't you think we would have seen some kind of scene between them..explaining this..i think its still jor-el..just based on clarks lack of reaction to his "Thank you, son" comment and the fact he saw him using his powers..

[xrayvision]

There is a lot of mystery surrounding Lionel. How did he know about Dr. Fine? Does he have an arrangement with him? What about the spaceship? I hope all is eventually revealed since this is a very intriguing arc.

I remember he said some more stuff besides "Thank you son". Was his voice that same way throughout the post-choke conversation, or was it only like this when he thanked him (I don't remember)?

[dontkillchloe]

well..i just think its all jor-el..just trying to push clark to his destiny..without getting directly involved..meaning..finding other means to be able to help him along..such as telling Chloe about Dr. Fine..and maybe knowing that showing up at the barn might get JK to have a heart attack..just furthering clarks development

[fattire]

you changed it. its "thank you son" not "thank you my son" - which are wayyy different
and the voice didnt sound very changed, I would say that your mainly imagining it. sorry

if your a good person, your good. your bad, your bad. you dont act bad to make someone else good

[dontkillchloe]

then whats lex? we know he's certainly not so good anymore..yet he always put on this facade..especially around lana..just to make it seem like he truly is a good person

[SuperClarkMode]

Yea, what if Loniel knew all along, ever since the adoption? Maybe not the abilities, but knew he was an alien? Just waiting to see where it would lead.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
"Thank you son" IMO were carefully chosen words on the part of the writers. The line was put in on purpose to create discussion like this. TPTB set the hook and we the loyal fans took the bait.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

methinks you give the writers a tad bit too much credit.

[Lana_Lang #1]

Methinks you give the writers not enough credit for a good job.

This thread is five pages and there's been more than one thread about this. I think they did an excellent job.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by Lana_Lang #1
Methinks you give the writers not enough credit for a good job.

This thread is five pages and there's been more than one thread about this. I think they did an excellent job.

i don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

you think the writers do a good job. ok, that's your right.

however, i don't think the writers said, "let's write this line so everyone will talk about it".

and the reason why the thread got started was because the thread starter misunderstood the line.

they thought lionel said "thank you my son" when all he said was "thank you son". had it been the first one, then i would agree the writers meant something by it.

smallville is one of my favorite shows (otherwise i wouldn't care one way or the other).

i'm sorry but the writers as of late have not broken any new ground creatively. they use plot devices that have been used dozens of times in the past.

i believe it's mainly due to gough/millar concentrating on their new project and not spending enough time on SV.

[jag5311]

Actually, as the thread starter I was not confused by his line. I goofed and entered "my" into the subject but the mere fact that he called Clark "SON" while placing a hand on his shoulder ALL while Clark didn't react made me think something was going on.

Clark and Lionel are not the greatest of buds, yet they stood there in the moment as if they knew something we didn't.

I give the writers plenty of credit. There seems to be this logic that the writers sit on the toilet and sh*t out scripts.

[SamBanksJLA]

After these last few episodes, I am very displeased with the writers. Too many plotholes and ignorant stories.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by jag5311
Actually, as the thread starter I was not confused by his line. I goofed and entered "my" into the subject but the mere fact that he called Clark "SON" while placing a hand on his shoulder ALL while Clark didn't react made me think something was going on.

Clark and Lionel are not the greatest of buds, yet they stood there in the moment as if they knew something we didn't.

I give the writers plenty of credit. There seems to be this logic that the writers sit on the toilet and sh*t out scripts.

ok, i have no intention on turning this into a flame war here.

however, clark just did save lionel from taking a 50 story dive out of his office window.

it is possible that lionel was just expressing gratitude. and i don't even believe it's the first time he's said "son" to clark. it is one of the most common things older men say to younger men (no illicit implications here).

if people want to just accept what the writers give us week after week and say "great job" every week, all the power to them. i am not that person (and sometimes i wish i were).

but to answer your question, yes, i believe that they do s*it out scripts (at times as most shows writers do). they have deadlines and alot of times they cut corners.

[why do you think the writer of The Sopranos takes so much time in between seasons? He nearly had a nervous breakdown trying to meet HBO's deadlines and he refused to s*it out a script just to have one to give them.]

last weeks SV episode was a prime example as i and several others pointed out about half a dozen HUGE plot holes (not just nitpicks).

look, i obviously enjoy the show or i wouldn't watch every week and buy all of the dvds (or spend time on a forum debating these issues).

however, it is misguided to believe that the writers have hidden meaning in every line of dialogue.

sometimes "thank you son" just means "thank you son" for saving me from imminent death even though i know you despise me.

[jag5311]

I agree that the "thank you son" could just have been the difference in era's for the two (with Lionel being in his 50's and Clark still in his teens" but again...it was the actions by both that seem to speak louder than just the words.

Maybe your right though, maybe Gough was sitting there saying

"Ok, John Glover, say this line and place your hand on his shoulder. Lets do a fade out where you both look out the window. Tom Welling, we need you to show no emotion to what John just told you, even though your screen father just died."

I mean, yea it could have been played out like that...but there is an inner part of me that just thinks there is something more to that scene. I could be wrong as I have been wrong before :)

I just have a feeling my thought process and yours (for example) will just keep doing a circle :)

so lets agree to disagree.

[Watching Smallville]

He says "Thank you, son" instead of "Thank you, Clark" or "Thank you for that" or just plain "Thank you." I don't think it's an accident. Not sure what it means -- Jor-El, Lionel angling for Martha, a new father figure, whatever -- but I think it's deliberate. :cool:

[Bumperjeep]

heh... tptb probably put that in as a little teaser... I see by the lenght of the thread that it worked. Maybe there will be more Clark and Lionel scenes in the near future

[tjpw fanatic]

yeah i noticed a change in voice too..hmm i wonder??

[Basest Rue]

To me the change in voice sounded like a re-tape voice over. They do that from time to time, usually when the character's head is turned. But Glover's such a pro, he probably synched it just right.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
He says "Thank you, son" instead of "Thank you, Clark" or "Thank you for that" or just plain "Thank you." I don't think it's an accident. Not sure what it means -- Jor-El, Lionel angling for Martha, a new father figure, whatever -- but I think it's deliberate. :cool:

Agreed as I posted earlier.
The writing has shown better continuity this season with plotlines continuing from one show to the next as opposed the typical stand alone episode. This season differs in that plotlines are addressed in the following week's episode rather than having a plotline dragged out over the entire season. Stones and witches anyone?
So whether it is Lionel trying to kiss up to Clark to get either his trust or get closer to him or his mother, IMO was no accident he said thank you son instead of thank you Clark.:cool:

[jimmyolsenblues]

It would be so nice to believe that Jor-El is somehow influencing Lionel. But I think its just that Lionel has the hots for Martha. And how ever he can make Clark like him so that it is easier to make martha.......Mrs. Martha Luthor.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
It would be so nice to believe that Jor-El is somehow influencing Lionel. But I think its just that Lionel has the hots for Martha. And how ever he can make Clark like him so that it is easier to make martha.......Mrs. Martha Luthor.

Martha Luthor? That's just blasphemy. As much as I'd like to see him become a family friend, I hope he never moves into the farm. The Luthor farm would be too much for me.

[Brown-eyes]

1. Lionel is acting wishy washy--one minute he's a jerk (or at least comes across as one with the whole Pa' Kent death scene) and then in prior episodes he acts like he's trying to help Clark figure out his identity or purpose in life. He gave the map to Jason, then helped Lana go to China, said something in one of the episodes alluding to the fact that there was a higher purpose for all these stones and how they related to Clark, but then turns around and lies about having the last stone (yes to Lex but he could have gone and given it to Clark). It's getting a bit confusing. They need to start tying things up a bit just so we can keep up instead of getting frustrated.

2. Lionel is sneaky. Maybe he said "son" deliberatly or maybe it was just an "old man term" or heck maybe Lionel WISHES that Clark could be his son (he's in awe of Clark's powers and/or wants to have a sayso in what he should do with them)----darnit they are messing with our heads!!

3. Imagine if Lionel tries to forge some sort of friendship with Clark (for what reason who knows) and Lionel treats Clark the way LEX wishes he was treated by his father when he was a child (because now he is resistant/suspicious of a "good" Lionel). That would certainly cause jealousy among the two --- and with their friendship already dangling and Lex knowing something about Clark's secret (like Lana said in the SUV before the accident) and being jealous of Clark's hold on Lana --- this father/son thing with Clark could just be a factor in Lex's completely going criminally insane.

[BoSoxJim]

i really can't see how ,after every nasty thing lionel has done to all of the kents, that clark and martha will all of a sudden say "gee, lionel is really a good person who we should let into out lives".

if that's what the writers are trying to do then there really is no hope for them as that storyline would be asinine.

[AverageJoe]

I think Lionel said son just 'cause he's old and Clark's a young man and old men call young men son. But that little scene did confirm my theory that Lionel knows and has probably known for a long time, and from what i've seen and interpreted, he's dont little but protect that secret for whatever devious, underhanded, reason of his. But the main reason i seem to have concocted is that since 'Transferance' he's better...not completely good but better and he does have true feelings and such for Martha and exposing Clark's secret would seriously hurt him and by extension Martha and he doesn't want that 'cause he loves her :D I never believed in the whole Lion-el theory, i dont know i just dont buy it.

[lexs&os]

My first reaction when I saw this scene, was; "oh my, the boards are gonna light up because of this..." There's a lot of different history there, and because of that history I can understand both arguments of why Lionel called him "son".
As other's have posted, Clark's lack of reaction during their interaction was rather curious. Both of them kinda had a lack of reaction - Lionel didn't ask or seem suprized that Clark was able to grab him so quickly and pull him back from the window in a split second, nor did Clark get nervous when Lionel started talking to him, thanking him and stuff - meaning, Clark wasn't skiddish that he may get questionned on how he was able to do what he did. For now, I'm in favor that there's something more to it - something more to Lionel and something more to the lack of reaction.

[mosespeach]

If Martha hooks up with Lionel...*shiver*

[RedQ]

"How dare you!" and gives a Slap to Lionel.

Originally posted by jag5311
but the hand on the shoulder as well as the long stares into the distance said something to me....like something else is there.

Clark is a man, and I am sorry but if I just lost my dad, anyone who calls me "son" will get a dirty look and maybe a "I am not your son" type of comment.

I realize the term "son" is an "older term" used, but I have never heard it used with Lionel other then to Lex. I'm guessing Clark is still missing his to notice Lionel's words of "Thank you, my SON." that's why Clark didn't react.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1840612#post1840612

And I can see a Forshadowing of CHLionel as the "new" father figure.

Marionel and Marion-EL arc. when the Two Families Join the LUTHORS and the KENTS. FINALLY, Lex can have his Brother. and the DAwn of the KENThors will Rule SV. Muaaahhahahahahahaa....

Wait a sec, wrong TV Series.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50590
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50723
There is No Lion-El cause Lionel wasn't in a trance. And change of voice it's called Acting and Not Being mono-tone. it's MB for christ sake. and his line of conversation.

As the Lionel NOW is a product of the 'TRANSFERANCE' and 'ONYX'

Lion-EL is a Diffrent Breed.

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