____ is completely unbelieveable. how could this ever happen?!

[smlvilleluva]

it is truly unbelievable that clark would give chloe the responsibilty of watching lana. it has nothing to do with not trusting chloe that is the problem. the problem is that clark would never ever ever leave lana's side in *real* life if he knew what was going to happen. many times we cannot compare elements of the show to reallife, but this time we can. if someone knew what clark knew in advance, they would do everything humanly possible to keep lana (or their loved one) away from danger. i dont care what happened, there is just no way that clark would not follow lana around at that party.

also- why didnt clark rush jonathan to the hospital? it makes absolute no sense. as fast as he can run and as much as he doesnt want to believe jor-el's words he would have taken jonathan to the hospital. even if it seemed that jonathan was dead he would have taken them. it might seem more peaceful for jk to die in the arms of the people he loved, but realistically, clark wouldnt want him to die at all.

both of those are two major problems i had with the episode, especially the first one. they may not have changed the course of where the characters finalyl end up, but because of this i lost a lot of respect for the writers. everything was such a patched job- just a bunch of scenes the fans would like to see patched together- that when ultimately watched there wasnt much substance. the only real emotion to me was martha's reaction at the end.


any other problems people have found with the episode?

[KRAM-el]

I understand your pain -- these are called plot "holes" (don't fall in) that are just overlooked because otherwise, they couldn't make all the other elements fit together. It's also called "contrivance" - an excuse to fit pieces together that really don't. And don't forget the "angst factor", a Smallville staple for 4.5 years now... Am I really this cynical, or has this mess all been a dream? (please wake me up)...

I went into deep detail under the "Triplet's review" thread. And that was only what I could remember... :rolleyes:

[bkzcici]

This is not the first time Clark left Lana in other people's hand when he knew she was in danger. Remember when Lana's short-term boyfriend.. wow I forgot his name. The dead guy who isn't dead. Yes, him! Okay, when they all knew he was hunting Lana down, I can't believe Clark went to look for that guy instead of staying by Lana's side. Of course, staying by Lana's side would make everything so much easier. Clark does things that no one can explain

[snafu2dj]

It's funyy how Clark and everyone else for that matter just know when someone is dead (like Lana and JK) no matter what the person looks like. There have been many people that have looked just as bad or worse than Lana or JK did in this episode, but it's always mysteriously known that they are still alive and rushed for help. There is no pulse check, bresthing check, nothing. The characters just seem to know when someone is dead or alive.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by bkzcici
This is not the first time Clark left Lana in other people's hand when he knew she was in danger. Remember when Lana's short-term boyfriend.. wow I forgot his name. The dead guy who isn't dead. Yes, him! Okay, when they all knew he was hunting Lana down, I can't believe Clark went to look for that guy instead of staying by Lana's side. Of course, staying by Lana's side would make everything so much easier. Clark does things that no one can explain

That was ADAM. The answer to your last statement is because they don't want to explain it -- they just want to keep the BDA thing going. It makes for great angst, if not great drama...

[smallvillefan26]

The Chloe thing is explained. Clark asks her to do it because Lana is not speaking to him, and most likely, would not want to stay around him for the entire day. Lana trusts Chloe and Clark knows that.

[No-El]

And also, if Clark did stay with Lana with her protest as Chloe would have looked on at both of them bickering.....Clark would not have been able to save an unconscious Lois from electrocution upstairs! He being distracted by Lana and Chloe at that rally!

[Lara Lane]

Agreed No-El. This all just became a huge time paradox because Clark wouldn't have had to go save Lois if Lana had been there to help her as she promised, then, lights wouldn't have gone off and Chloe wouldn't have missed Lana and Jonathan wouldn't have died and... oh well.

Yet, having knowledge of how the days events were to be developed, Clark could have made many things to prevent the disgrace... but again, it wouldn't be Smallville if it didn't had plot holes...

[peterk]

What about the post accident timing? In both timelines, Clark superspeeds to the scene of the accident.

In the first timeline, Bo skids up seconds after Clark has pulled Lana from her car. How did he get there so fast? How did he know there was someplace to get?

In the second timeline, Bo drives by as as Lex is touching Lana, again just seconds after the accident had been avoided.

Not even the General could have gotten there that fast.

Not that I expect smallville plots to hang together...

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by peterk

Not even the General could have gotten there that fast.


:lol: Well, I'm not so sure... maybe he supercharged that 440 & dumped it in the truck... it IS a DODGE, after all... :rotfl: He WAS working on the truck 2 weeks ago! :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JerryKing]

Speaking of going fast, from the point of view of a bad writer, it must have been wonderfully convenient for Clark to have forgotten all about his superspeed at the crucial moment, thus preventing him from grabbing his dying father and burning his shoe soles to the nearest well-equipped hospital's emergency room, in a few seconds. Yes, in comparison with Krypton, Earth's medicine is about as advanced as tam-tams are when compared to GSM telephony... but still, cardiopulmonary resuscitation does work occasionally.

[All about Clark]

Well you saw how Lana reacted when Chloe and her arrived at the party, she made a beeline away from Clark, you can't force people to be with you.

As for the Adam thing, if he would have stayed with her his powers would have been revealed, so he tries to resolve issues in his own way where limited revealing will take place.

As for the Jonathan timing to the accident, he was on his way to meet Lionel. He had to leave before Clark in both instances. In the second timeline, the power was out at the talon, so no pics were taken and he ducked out before the ambulence took Lois.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by All about Clark

As for the Jonathan timing to the accident, he was on his way to meet Lionel. He had to leave before Clark in both instances. In the second timeline, the power was out at the talon, so no pics were taken and he ducked out before the ambulence took Lois.

So in 'real time' how long did all the picture taking stuff take?? Any guesses?
(I am just curious..:) )

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
So in 'real time' how long did all the picture taking stuff take?? Any guesses?
(I am just curious..:) )

i'm not sure. however, i have another question...

why wasn't the fiancee of the senator's son involved in any of the pictures?????

hmmmm....yet another plot hole

[smallvillefan26]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
i'm not sure. however, i have another question...

why wasn't the fiancee of the senator's son involved in any of the pictures?????

hmmmm....yet another plot hole I don't see it as a plot hole. Besides, they had just gotten engaged, no one knew about it except his parents. The media doesn't care about the other people, they want to see the future Senator. Even Clark wasn't in some of the pics.

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
So in 'real time' how long did all the picture taking stuff take?? Any guesses?
(I am just curious..:) )

Probably only 1 or 2 as Jonathan got the phone call before the pics and had somewhere to go.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by smallvillefan26
I don't see it as a plot hole. Besides, they had just gotten engaged, no one knew about it except his parents. The media doesn't care about the other people, they want to see the future Senator. Even Clark wasn't in some of the pics.

are you trying to say the media doesn't care about the newly engaged son of the new senator? have you ever watched entertainment tonight or any other gossip show?? and in the uk, they care more for the future king than the cronies already in power (ok, they don't have any power but that's ot the point).

and proud papa kent wouldn't tell everyone the great news???? c'mon.

so it makes more sense to have lana leave her new fiancee who she just found out is an alien with a bunch of powers to go see a drunken fool who her fiancee (and future family) loathes.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim


so it makes more sense to have lana leave her new fiancee who she just found out is an alien with a bunch of powers to go see a drunken fool who her fiancee (and future family) loathes.

Gee, it all made sense to me... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Poweranimals]

Because that's Clark and Lana's choice when they want to tell people. Lana even said to Lex that they hadn't told anyone yet. Lex is her friend, of course she went to see him in a moment where she knew he'd need a friend.

[son2380]

I think Clark could have pulled some krytonian spying technique (Called superspeed and just followed her around like a stalker until she was safe).
But I think if he would Have superspeeded his dad to the hospital the initial shock of going that fast would have been to much for his weak heart anyway, and killed him.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by Poweranimals
Because that's Clark and Lana's choice when they want to tell people. Lana even said to Lex that they hadn't told anyone yet. Lex is her friend, of course she went to see him in a moment where she knew he'd need a friend.

Let's face it... this girl doesn't have the common sense God gave a brick. She DOESN'T even tell ANYONE where she's going??? Come on, I'm not trying to "Lana Bash" here, but why do the writers HAVE to make her look like such an AIRHEAD? Maybe if they'd give her even a speck of intelligence, we'd like her more!!!!:mad:

[All about Clark]

Originally posted by KRAM-el
Let's face it... this girl doesn't have the common sense God gave a brick. She DOESN'T even tell ANYONE where she's going??? Come on, I'm not trying to "Lana Bash" here, but why do the writers HAVE to make her look like such an AIRHEAD? Maybe if they'd give her even a speck of intelligence, we'd like her more!!!!:mad:

KRAM-el, you and I agree, they give us screentime but no intelligence for Lana. Who would leave their new fiancee at a party? Hasn't Lana ever considered picking up the phone and giving Lex a call while staying close to her man during a celebration.

It's obviously the writers poor attempt to show us she's no good for Clark.

Well she said she would dissappoint Clark in Season 2 and boy has she.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by All about Clark

It's obviously the writers poor attempt


That says it all, right there. Point made.

:mad:

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by Poweranimals
Because that's Clark and Lana's choice when they want to tell people. Lana even said to Lex that they hadn't told anyone yet. Lex is her friend, of course she went to see him in a moment where she knew he'd need a friend.

must......resist......comment.....neeeeeed...JD... .now!


Originally posted by KRAM-el
Let's face it... this girl doesn't have the common sense God gave a brick. She DOESN'T even tell ANYONE where she's going??? Come on, I'm not trying to "Lana Bash" here, but why do the writers HAVE to make her look like such an AIRHEAD? Maybe if they'd give her even a speck of intelligence, we'd like her more!!!!:mad:

ah yes, my more eloquent twin speaks the truth.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Who would leave their new fiancee at a party? Hasn't Lana ever considered picking up the phone and giving Lex a call while staying close to her man during a celebration.


Let's be honest, we all know Lana has wanted Lex from the start ;)

[SmallvilleMan]

Let's be honest, we all know Lana has wanted Lex from the start

Yeah and clark's been in love with chloe since he was five:rotfl:


RAM-el, you and I agree, they give us screentime but no intelligence for Lana. Who would leave their new fiancee at a party? Hasn't Lana ever considered picking up the phone and giving Lex a call while staying close to her man during a celebration.


Let's be honest, we all know Lana has wanted Lex from the start

Yeah and clark's been in love with chloe since he was five:rotfl:


RAM-el, you and I agree, they give us screentime but no intelligence for Lana. Who would leave their new fiancee at a party? Hasn't Lana ever considered picking up the phone and giving Lex a call while staying close to her man during a celebration.

But then how would lana die in a car accident;) The real intelligence Lana should posess is knowing who lex really is.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yeah and clark's been in love with chloe since he was five:rotfl:.

And Lois loves Shelby ;)
See, I could write for Smallville!!

[SmallvilleMan]

If Al and miles can write for smallville, anyone can.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
If Al and miles can write for smallville, anyone can.

Can you only imagine :rolleyes:

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
Can you only imagine :rolleyes:
Have you ever seen those "Yeknom" commercials w/ the chimps -- that's actually the SV creative dept... :lol:

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
And Lois loves Shelby ;)
See, I could write for Smallville!!

just don't make clark sound like an idiot who is non-caring and/or a cold-blooded killer and you have the job!

actually, you can't do any worse to his character than those boobs (i mean TPSTB) have already done.

[smoky]

Originally posted by smlvilleluva
it is truly unbelievable that clark would give chloe the responsibilty of watching lana. it has nothing to do with not trusting chloe that is the problem. the problem is that clark would never ever ever leave lana's side in *real* life if he knew what was going to happen. many times we cannot compare elements of the show to reallife, but this time we can. if someone knew what clark knew in advance, they would do everything humanly possible to keep lana (or their loved one) away from danger. i dont care what happened, there is just no way that clark would not follow lana around at that party.
But he did have Chloe watch her. I think it was when the power went out that Chloe lost track of Lana. Clark was with Lois when Lana disappeared.


Originally posted by JerryKing
Speaking of going fast, from the point of view of a bad writer, it must have been wonderfully convenient for Clark to have forgotten all about his superspeed at the crucial moment, thus preventing him from grabbing his dying father and burning his shoe soles to the nearest well-equipped hospital's emergency room, in a few seconds. Yes, in comparison with Krypton, Earth's medicine is about as advanced as tam-tams are when compared to GSM telephony... but still, cardiopulmonary resuscitation does work occasionally. Clark took Jonathon to the FOS but they edited that scene out. Even if Clark had supersped Jonathon to the hospital, that doesn't mean they could have saved him. Jonathon's heart has been really bad for a LONG time.

[parrotjoe]

Writers have to construct situations for their characters in order to have a story and move the story. How well they do it is the key. A show like Smallville presents both opportunities and problems due to the nature of it (Clark being from Krypton, having powers, others being affected by meteor rock). The opportunities are great because the writers can leave the "real world" and have all kinds of things happen. The problems become great too for the same reason.

There are many things the Smallville writers have not handled well and this inevitably leads to lack of continuity and questions (such as "how come Clark didn't do this or that" or "why did Lana do this or that").

So, we get a "real world" scene where Jonathon dies of an ongoing heart problem. In some other show this wouldn't be a problem. But in Smallville, because we see Clark jump into action all the time, it is incongruous. The shame of it all is that a tremendously dramatic scene (and event) leaves us, not with its power, but with questions..."why didn't Clark...?".

In the original Lana sequence, at least they gave us a clue - when Lana saved Lois from falling off the stool or chair, any close observer would know that meant something. That was pretty good. However, they sure didn't follow through with the rest of it. Okay, Clark isn't paying attention because he's off saving Lois. That's okay because because we had a clue about that. But, they have our gal Chloe not paying attention to Lana - in a life or death situation!! Ridiculous! And Lana leaving the celebration in the first place to go see Lex, for God's sake, was ridiculous.

So, what are we to do? I'm still a fan and will continue to watch. But, TPTB and writers have let us down many times and this was the worst.

Of course, the whole contruction of somebody that Clark loves has to die is ridiculous too. Why does that have to happen? When we suspend our belief for the show, we should get better than we have been getting.

[BoSoxJim]

[i]
Clark took Jonathon to the FOS but they edited that scene out. Even if Clark had supersped Jonathon to the hospital, that doesn't mean they could have saved him. Jonathon's heart has been really bad for a LONG time. [/B]

well it seemed he made more of an effort to save ryan's life.

the least he could have done is run around the world looking for a replacement heart for god's sake.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim

the least he could have done is run around the world looking for a replacement heart for god's sake.
Why was this never made an issue??? I mean, there have been SO MANY deaths in this town, you'd think they would have 20 hearts available for transplant (I know, that's not how it works). OK, never mind... I'm putting it where it belongs -- into the abyss called "plot hole"... :mad:

[UpandAtom]

Finding a heart isn't always easy and as we've seen in "Vengeance" even a catastrophic event like the second meteor shower, a heart transplant could take 2 months to perform. Jonathan obviously didn't have enough time.

[smlvilleluva]

i agree with you about pretty much everything. i think that a character death is not always necessary, though for jonathan it did seem like it was his time. other than that, perfectly said! :)


Originally posted by parrotjoe
Writers have to construct situations for their characters in order to have a story and move the story. How well they do it is the key. A show like Smallville presents both opportunities and problems due to the nature of it (Clark being from Krypton, having powers, others being affected by meteor rock). The opportunities are great because the writers can leave the "real world" and have all kinds of things happen. The problems become great too for the same reason.

There are many things the Smallville writers have not handled well and this inevitably leads to lack of continuity and questions (such as "how come Clark didn't do this or that" or "why did Lana do this or that").

So, we get a "real world" scene where Jonathon dies of an ongoing heart problem. In some other show this wouldn't be a problem. But in Smallville, because we see Clark jump into action all the time, it is incongruous. The shame of it all is that a tremendously dramatic scene (and event) leaves us, not with its power, but with questions..."why didn't Clark...?".

In the original Lana sequence, at least they gave us a clue - when Lana saved Lois from falling off the stool or chair, any close observer would know that meant something. That was pretty good. However, they sure didn't follow through with the rest of it. Okay, Clark isn't paying attention because he's off saving Lois. That's okay because because we had a clue about that. But, they have our gal Chloe not paying attention to Lana - in a life or death situation!! Ridiculous! And Lana leaving the celebration in the first place to go see Lex, for God's sake, was ridiculous.

So, what are we to do? I'm still a fan and will continue to watch. But, TPTB and writers have let us down many times and this was the worst.

Of course, the whole contruction of somebody that Clark loves has to die is ridiculous too. Why does that have to happen? When we suspend our belief for the show, we should get better than we have been getting.

I completely see that explanation... but it makes absolutely no sense. An explanation doesn't equal a good reason. No matter how much I trust someone, I would never trust them with something that important. I just can't believe that Clark gave the job to someone else, even if he does trust Chloe. It wouldn't matter if Clark was following around Lana and she got upset... it's better that way then if she were dead. I believe that TPTB should have showed Clark following Lana around (such as someone trying to talk to Clark but him brushing that person off to continue to keep Lana in view). Then, Chloe or someone else could discover that Lois is hurt and that could be the point when, for one second, Clark's attention is taken away and in that instant he loses sight of Lana and she gets away. Clark didn't have to be the one that found Lois and he certainly shouldn't have been the one not following Chloe.


Originally posted by smallvillefan26
The Chloe thing is explained. Clark asks her to do it because Lana is not speaking to him, and most likely, would not want to stay around him for the entire day. Lana trusts Chloe and Clark knows that.

[Jaygog 2]

Agreed. I thought it was really odd that Clark was celebrating with his dad once again when he should have been all business, ie. keeping an eye on Lana.
He saved her in the end so no big deal, but that was a lot closer of a call than what it had to be. If Clark was really smart he could have sabotaged her vehicle when she showed up at the Talon - like ripped a tire or two off of her truck.

[UpandAtom]

Jor-El said that nature would find a balance so I thought that Clark was staying at the election to make sure that nothing bad happened to anyone else. And it was a good thing he did or Lois would've died.