CLARK...LANA...we got jipped

[snafu2dj]

The "flaw" in the writing of Clarks character thinking is that that he'll always feel that anyone who knows he has a secret will assume that Lana knows it, just like Lex said in Reckoning when he saw her with the ring on. So by "Clark's thinking" she will always be in grave danger and someone will always be after her in that situation. Although technically his parents and maybe even Chloe (because Lex knows that she knows more about Clark, possibly the entire secret <like when she was mysteriously in the hospital up north after disappearing in the cave> ) are all in the same amount of danger by the same comparison. Yet none of them are in any extra danger than normal. Lex has left Chloe alone obviously. Besides, just before Lana crashed, Lex was feeling somewhat remorseful about the way he grabbed her (he was drunk btw) and just wanted to talk. She could be in no more danger than she already is on a regular basis (How many times has Clark already saved her life?). Also, now Clark has the confidence of knowing that she will accept him for who and what his secret is. Her knowing does not automatically mean death to her. Jor-El took a life at this point now and it's not hers. This is what I think is the flaw in Clark's character writing. He'd rather lose her by her own choice because of his own insecurities. They've made him so insecure for SUPERMAN. In the Christopher Reeve movies, Superman had the utmost confidence in everything he said and did. When he was Clark Kent, mild mannored reporter, he was a bumbling fool intentionally as a means to protect his identity, an act.

For some reason or another they just won't let us have Lana know the secret, but gave us a taste of how it might go. I also don't see why Lana trusts Lex so much. He's screwed her over more than anyone. He's been way worse about honesty issues than Clark has ever been. Big deal, so he puts his life on the line once to save hers (obviously with the crush he has on her). How many times has Clark done the same thing? Quite a few, even that she knows about.

And yes, Clark could potentially marry Lana. Why not? They've messed with the original story so much in so many other ways, they could make "destiny" go in any direction they (the writers) want it to. In the CR movies time rewinding was FORBIDDEN. In this episode it was "only allowed once". And of course Chloe had to make the remark about the world spinning backwards on its axis.

Another thing. In timeline 2 Lana still would have died the same way had Clark not grabbed the bus. So this proves her knowing the secret and getting engaged to him had absolutely nothing to do with her death. Clarks character is not bright enough to figure this out (flawed character writing again, too insecure). Also just because she knows the secret does not mean that they have to get married. And if destiny won't let him marry Lana for his reasons, that means he could never get married to anyone at all ever for the same reasons.

And btw he got to the bus in the second timeline in a matter of seconds. Why did it take him so long the first time around? They always do that. They have him react so fast to some things, but to others his reaction is so slow. There is no consistency with his speed powers.

Some say he will only marry Lois Lane. Yes, in the CR movies. They've made so many different changes to SV from the movies, what says that they won't change that as well? And as much love and time they've put into Clark loving Lana since they were kids, 16 years or so, it would almost be wrong for her not to be his soulmate. Marrying Lois would not work by the same reasoning that the episode would not let him marry Lana, The flawed writing of Clark's character thinking and his insecurities.

They don't have to get married, Just give us Lana's knowledge of Clark by means of him telling her.

There was definately a great need for more ellaboration on that whole revelation to Lana thing as well. As for the first meteor shower, I don't think she'd be dumb enough to actually blame him though. He was just a kid having no control over his ship or the other meteors. She couldn't possibly call him a murderer.

What about the part where he should acknowledge to Lana that he also came from a ship just like the other 2 people that she saw and they were all from the same place and had the same powers. They were bad and he is good, no different from the concept of good and bad on earth. I would have liked to see her reaction to that as well or at least her rationale.
What about the part where he should acknowledge the fact to Lana about why they haven't had any more sex, and further more the fact that they already did and how and why (he was "normal" for a short time).

What about the part where he should acknowledge to Lana all of his other powers like x-ray vision or super hearing (which for some reason he almost never utilizes although he should be able to hear everything <poor writing/continuity> ), or the most obvious power of super speed.

These are just a few of the acknowledgements I'd liked to have seen between the 2 of them. I also feel jipped on Lana's reaction to what she did find out. It was extremely short and rushed. After all the hype for the past 100 hours of film, I expected more. If we're supposed to assume all this was explained off screen, I feel just as jipped. It's not comfortable to work with such assumptions.



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Originally posted by jmf1
The 90 minute special would have been good. Reality is that its hard to fit that in once you establish a weekly schedule.

Let's not forget that Clark didn't know that Lana was going to die. At the FOS when he told her, it was a lot of information. And, when Lois asked her at the Talon if it would change the way she felt, Lana said "maybe." It's only after Lois tells Lana Lois would be lucky if she ended up with someone as honorable as Clark that Lana tells Clark she'll marry him.

I think Clark and Lana would have had a heart to heart with more detail after the campaign celebrations died down (no pun intended).

I was disappointed with Lana. When was Lana going to come clean and let Clark know who he was really marrying? What about telling him she killed Jason's mom in self defense. What about telling him that Lex found her with the body and that the element had her blood all over it. When was she going to tell Clark about what Lex wrote on the newspaper - you owe me one. Lex is Clark's enemy. If she's going to marry Clark, then she shouldn't have secrets from him. And, why does Lana think Lex is her friend. Friends don't write - you owe me one when they help you out. At least mine don't.
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I agree to most of this as well, and would like it to get played through. This is why I feel so JIPPED.

VOTE!!!

[johnny fogg]

Positive outlook: It was a really emotional episode and it's no use getting pissy over details. The actors were awesome. It was a real tear-jerker and the time travel part was sci-fi, just like the show. JK had to die and people who reject that are just not being realistic. Clark and Lana still have a chance to be together, and putting them together so soon was beautiful but the writers have something else in mind for them, I'll just go sit in the corner like a dutiful moron and take them at their word when describe the JK death as "honorable" and "fitting".

Cynical Outlook It was the worst episode in the history of Smallville. Every time I say that, it gets worse. It had the depth of a soap opera. Once again we are lead to think there will be character movement and are instead jerked around. Nothing changed for the fifth time. The time travel was ludicrous, a cheat, a blight on tv writing. The story arc involving the life force never made sense or was even adequately explained. Lionel has no motive for anything. The characters are slowly turning into something other than real people. Jonathan's death was dubious and rushed at best. I was immensely dissatisifed with the ending and can look forward to more filler episodes which have no bearing on anything for my troubles. The endless push-pull of the Clana plot is formulaic and contributes to Lana beign voted most hated tv character three times in a row.....oh, and it was PLAINLY OBVIOUS they got the idea from Final Destination.


These two views are both my own, I want to turn my brain off and like it, but I'm 20 years old. Standards have changed. These mid-season arcs are simply horrible. I can't help feelign annoyed and cheated by those bogus WB promos.

[snafu2dj]

Lana was voted most hated tv character three times in a row? Really? Wow I had no clue. Where can this info be found? Was it a wide spectrum poll? I never voted.

I think us Clana fans love Clana so much because all the hype surrounding them these past FIVE years, ever since the first five minutes of episode 1 of season 1. We've also wanted to root for Clark and what he's wanted so badly for so long. I think the other part of it is the fact that Lana is unanimously by far the most beautiful woman on the show. I mean she's just flat out hot anyway, show aside. If the woman playing the character of Lana was not good looking, I don't think there would be as many Clana fans. If the actors for Lana and Chloe switched from the beginning, I bet we would have wanted Clark to hook up with Chloe. Tom and Kristin make such a good looking couple.


Please read my first post on top and vote.

[Schfifty-five]

I completly agree with you. We've all been jipped. The writers have played this relationship out for so long that i can't believe how poorly written they worte Clana this season. It was getting to a point where fans needed Lana to know or have her killed off. But the writers didn't go either way and stick to that so now we're left out to dry unless Clark finally tells her and they develop a more trusting relationship.

[smallville_fetish]

Don't worry, we will get a second time, but it's doubtly that it'll be as nice as the false one we got.

[snafu2dj]

Killing her isn't what I wanted, but it would have been at least the right kind of closure to Clana. And we would have had a better taste in our mouth about getting what we wanted. Peolple would still be pissed, but not as much so. It would also be hard to watch a SV without KK to look at anymore. A big part of the fan base is for the love story contrived from SV (that's why my girlfriend loves it). Lana dying would also be an end to that as well. After 5 years who wants to watch the beginning of a new love interest start all over again (Lois for example)? Either way, I think this is the worst way they could have gone (the way they went). I'm not totally opposed to JK dying, just the whole Clana thing.

Please read my first post at the top and vote.

Boy oh boy, sure hope the SV staff reads this site and forum. Maybe they even talk on here in disguise LOL (might be a good idea). Even if they did have Clark tell her later, it won't be as good because the previous tease that they gave us. With Clana there's always a second time around and a third and a fourth..... Quit pulling us on the same plot/climaxes. Just develop more and new twists. Is it that hard to come up with new stuff? "Oh know, we ran out of ideas. Oh, oh, oh, lets just make a bunch of episodes with other superheroes being brought in/introduced and then never heard from again. That'll get us through a season or so" They need a better/bigger team of writers.

Please read my first post at the top and vote.

[Lara Lane]

Alright, I'm no Clana fan and even I feel angry. I really think it wasn't fair for you guys, all these years waiting for the moment (If I'm to be honest I never thought that moment would ever arrive) and when it comes... voila! It's erased by the magic technology of the almighty dead Jor-El.

I really feel Clana fans deserved more than this but there are already enough threads complaining about the issue so, about the question: I think I'd like Lana to find out again, but for this to happen I think that she must be already healing in some sort of way from her failed relationship with Clark.

[gloria]

Yes, she should still know or at least found out second time around.

this is what ruined this epi for me..maybe even the whole show...

i was praying when he had that second chance and they were looking at each other that he would still tell her...and even when she was pushing him, he still didnt budge ,clark should have told her the secret again a second time :( ...am sick of all this one step forward one step back ****...i was very dissapointed :(


Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Don't worry, we will get a second time, but it's doubtly that it'll be as nice as the false one we got.

it wasnt false, it was real...

what makes it false to you?

[No-El]

I voted "No, I feel the writing was well done the way it went."

I believe the story is going to progress now with Lois on the scene, and since I am a Chlarker, there is now no chance for Chloe or Clark given the present direction to have the REAL Lois Lane assume more of a position/role that they tptb want her.

That is something hard on all camps but True and has to be accepted!:(

[gloria]

Originally posted by No-El
I voted "No, I feel the writing was well done the way it went."


:eek: :eek:

ITS NOT TRUE..I WONT ACCEPT IT!!!

:lol:

[snafu2dj]

Originally posted by No-El
I voted "No, I feel the writing was well done the way it went."

I believe the story is going to progress now with Lois on the scene, and since I am a Chlarker, there is now no chance for Chloe or Clark given the present direction to have the REAL Lois Lane assume more of a position/role that they tptb want her.

That is something hard on all camps but True and has to be accepted!:(

No-El, please read my first post to see the reasoning why they could change "destiny" and Clark not be with Lois.

[smlvilleluva]

the moreover thing that we got screwed over was the whole clark and lana relationship. there was no "different dynamic" this season that TPTB talked about. there was no difference with clark and lana being together, if you can even call it being together. i dont feel like we got to really see them in a relationship. showing the beginning of a sex scene and a few similar scenes does not constitute a relationship... couldnt we see them doing something like going to the movies or out to coffee. their relationship was never established. this sucks.

[snafu2dj]

Very true. I can't tell you how happy I was when they had sex though. At least they did. And at least it was both of their first and with each other. I'm glad Lana never gave it up to anyone else. It was kind of hot when Lana wanted sex from Clark a couple epis ago. He should just find out "by himself" hint hint what would happen when he gets to that point. That IS his main reason for holding out sexually.

Please read my first post at the top and vote.

[Son of Kal-El20]

This is how I wanted it. I wanted Lana to know Clark's secret, accept him for what he is, and turn down his wedding proposal. But I did want Johnathan to die to stick with the Superman mythos. If they kept Lana knowing Clark's secret, the episode would've been fine. But with her not knowing, it sucked some of the life out of Reckoning.

I'm actually thinking about making a petition to have Lana finally know Clark's secret, because this is now getting pathetic.

[Xsmallville_obsessedX]

Originally posted by Son of Kal-El20
This is how I wanted it. I wanted Lana to know Clark's secret, accept him for what he is, and turn down his wedding proposal. But I did want Johnathan to die to stick with the Superman mythos. If they kept Lana knowing Clark's secret, the episode would've been fine. But with her not knowing, it sucked some of the life out of Reckoning.

I'm actually thinking about making a petition to have Lana finally know Clark's secret, because this is now getting pathetic.

AMEN!

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Like it or not AlMiles have said the relationship between Clark and Lana is over and they made it clear in a recent interview.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Like it or not AlMiles have said the relationship between Clark and Lana is over and they made it clear in a recent interview.

I'm not so sure, LLM. They said that #100 would have a 'shocking death' & 'send the show in a new direction'. It doesn't strike me that you're shocked & unless 'backwards' is a "new" direction, they LIED. And I fear it won't be the last time...

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

K-SITE: How do you feel the Clark and Lana relationship has worked this season now that they've finally gotten together?

GOUGH: I think so far, I think it's worked well. It's probably worked better than any other season, just 'cause you put 'em together, they have sex, he gets his powers back, so he clearly then hasn't been with her, which is what we're playing now, and then, guess what? It's going to go horribly awry, because he has honesty issues, and he wants to get laid. And then also, you've got Lex who's out there really, now that the gloves are kind of off with Clark, his feelings for Lana are an issue as well, so this relationship's got a lot to battle. Clark can either step up, or step aside.

K-SITE: Why has it taken so long for Clark to just tell Lana his secret?

GOUGH: I think there's always an issue of, you've got a couple super hero dilemmas. One is can the person take it? Will they look at you as a freak, and run the other way? Two is, girlfriend to super hero. Always in a lot of trouble. And that would only get worse, especially if she knew the secret. And thirdly, I think there's always the question of 'is she really the one?' You know, which we from the comics know that ultimately she isn't. You know, there are the mistakes you make in your first relationship that'll have reverberations through the ones you have after that.

[snafu2dj]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
K-SITE: How do you feel the Clark and Lana relationship has worked this season now that they've finally gotten together?

GOUGH: I think so far, I think it's worked well. It's probably worked better than any other season, just 'cause you put 'em together, they have sex, he gets his powers back, so he clearly then hasn't been with her, which is what we're playing now, and then, guess what? It's going to go horribly awry, because he has honesty issues, and he wants to get laid. And then also, you've got Lex who's out there really, now that the gloves are kind of off with Clark, his feelings for Lana are an issue as well, so this relationship's got a lot to battle. Clark can either step up, or step aside.

K-SITE: Why has it taken so long for Clark to just tell Lana his secret?

GOUGH: I think there's always an issue of, you've got a couple super hero dilemmas. One is can the person take it? Will they look at you as a freak, and run the other way? Two is, girlfriend to super hero. Always in a lot of trouble. And that would only get worse, especially if she knew the secret. And thirdly, I think there's always the question of 'is she really the one?' You know, which we from the comics know that ultimately she isn't. You know, there are the mistakes you make in your first relationship that'll have reverberations through the ones you have after that.

Where is this interview from?
When was it?
Can you provide the link?
Can you prove legitimacy?

Clark never wanted to "get laid" since they first did. It was Lana.
"So he clearly then hasn't been with her." What's that about? Yes he has. They've been together this entire season so far.

What's with the comics reference. TPTB have always said they've never been exposed to the comics, and the only thing referenced as a basis for SV was the Christopher Reeve Superman movies, nothing else. Remeber those interviews? I don't know if the one you cited is for real.

Another thing. Why tell us you're sticking to all of the normal superhero cliches? That just makes the show thatmuch more predictable.

Any reason for not being with Lana is a reason for not being with Lois either. After TPTB have invested 5 long years of this Lana thing and her being the one and Clark wanting to be with her forever, how could they just pull the plug like that. Then they should not have built so much into these characters' feeling toward each other. And they shouldn't have made Lois the sister type to Clark that doesn't get along with him or rather does like a sister. If Clark is willing to do what he did for Lana, then she definately should be the one. The rest of her destiny is in Clark's hands now. For what he did for her, how could he ever get over her?

Please read my first post in this thread and vote.

Where did that last post go about that online chat?

[Summers]

That interview came from the homepage. It was interview conducted by this board's own adminstrater Craig (Kryptonsite). It's legit :\.

[snafu2dj]

But some of those things make no sense at all. Read my previous post. Lana was the one who wanted to get laid. TPTB never used the comics, only the CR movies.....etc.etc.

These are both facts, so what is Gough talking about? Is he trying to throw people off or would we get different answers from different people interviewed from TPTB? I've read contradicting info from TV Guide interviews and the WB.

BTW, he never actually states that Clark and Lana are over yet even in this interview. He just says that in the comics, she's not the one. And by his reasoning in this interview, no one could be the one. I definately would not say it's clear that their relationship is over based on this interview.






Oh and here's another thing....


There was definately a great need for more ellaboration on that whole revelation to Lana thing. As for the first meteor shower, I don't think she'd be dumb enough to actually blame him though. He was just a kid having no control over his ship or the other meteors.
What about the part where he should acknowledge to Lana that he also came from a ship just like the other 2 people that she saw and they were all from the same place and had the same powers. They were bad and he is good, no different from the concept of good and bad on earth. I would have liked to see her reaction to that as well or at least her rationale.
What about the part where he should acknowledge the fact to Lana about why they haven't had any more sex, and further more the fact that they already did and how and why (he was "normal" for a short time).
What about the part where he should acknowledge to Lana all of his other powers like x-ray vision or super hearing (which for some reason he almost never utilizes although he should be able to hear everything <poor writing/continuity> ), or the most obvious power of super speed.
These are just a few of the acknowledgements I'd liked to have seen between the 2 of them. I also feel jipped on Lana's reaction to what she did find out. It was extremely short and rushed. After all the hype for the past 100 hours of film, I expected more. If we're supposed to assume all this was explained off screen, I feel just as jipped. It's not comfortable to work with such assumptions.

Please read post # 1 and #21 and vote

[Alphacooler]

Great post to whomever was the OP. As for the episode on the whole...well yes, it was indeed rushed and not nearly as good as it could have been.

But I think before we can call the writers "liars" for saying this was "everything we wanted to see and everything will change" we have to wait a bit.

The bottom line here is that JK's death marks a significant change Superman lore. Say what you will about the episode, but in the end, it should (hopefully) push the series to a new level. That being said, if the writers go back to Freak of the Week plots, I will quite simply have to kill someone. That would be the real lie.

It looks like this week's ep might just be a FOW with the small twist of an "angry" Clark. Not quite "everything will change" material in my opinion.

But let us just sit back and see what the next few episodes have in store for us loyal fans.

[snafu2dj]

MORE VOTES!

[Kreukie]

Wanna know what's funny. VH1 Best Week Ever gave the 100th episode an UPGRADE because of Clark finally being honest with Lana.

I guess they missed the last 30 minutes of the episode.

Because boy was that taken back. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Like it or not AlMiles have said the relationship between Clark and Lana is over and they made it clear in a recent interview.

Didn't they say that last season, until the ratings did horrible and they quickly be wonderfully brought Clana back? :p

[kkjdt]

I am so frustrated about this time reversal... and Lana not knowing...plus I didn't want Pa Kent to die....I don't think it was nnice to fire the guy in the middle of the season... even John Schneider said he thought he had until the end of the season.... untill they told him.... anyway I am frustrated with the show...

[basketballstar23]

i totlally agree. im a die hard clana fana and i can't believe it ended like this. well, look at the bright side...atleast it lasted more than 2 days.

[Fly by guy]

Clana fans have only gotten 4.5 episodes of a real relationship in nearly 5 years. Since season 2 with Calling and Exodus, and in season five with Mortal, Hidden, and 1/2 of Reckoning, Clana was like Lana said, "Who am I, you're cousin?". Those eps. were the only real kisses between them and really none in Hidden or Reckoning. The relationship has been done poorly. Guest boyfriends have not worked out and now we have to endure more season 3 angst and Lexana. No wonder KK is tired of the character, she's got 150+ episode of it counting Mark in Edgemont. TPTB should try just once to appease IMO a large part of their viewers and let Lana know and decide where the relationship is headed. Freaking rewinds.

[gloria]

when did kk say she was tired of her character?

[lissie14]

I think "screwed over" would be a much better term.:\
Five years. -sighs-
They released those promo images of Lana and Clark in the FoS, and all these Clana fans(including myself) went nuts and were so excited for it to premiere, and they just had to pull a lame time reverse.....seriously, and Jor-El just *happened*
to have a crystal that would start the beginning of the day over again.:rolleyes:

[Shadowlord367]

well, thats clark's decision. johnathon would have wanted him to die over Lana. Chloe was right though. Clark could have told her and still saved her.

[lanalang1234]

lana is meant to be with clark and thats finall......well at least in smallville

[montanamama69]

You know, in all honesty it's not like I expected Lana to find out...I mean I'm a Clana fan so I really, really wanted her to do but, the point is, this show is always advertising big things and then there such a let down. Truth be told, I didn't think Clark and Lana were going to end up happily ever after.

[RedQ]

Big deal that it cause a Problem with Character development.
and in this DC world that's Hyper-Time for
ya.

Anyways, The main driving reason for Clark now of not telling Lana is that with that secret might cause HARM to Lana. And Clark being the one that place Lana in that situation, and something bad happen to her IS something that Clark Can NOT handle again.

IF Lana found out herself that would be some weight lifted off from Clark, like Chloe finding out by someone else.

And SV is about Clark reacing that SUPER Confidence level that we ALL loved that CR personified.

[darkkrypton81]

The first half was good but the second half dropped like a rock!