No last words for Jonathan?

[kryptonomicon]

Did this surprise anyone else? Couldn't Jonathan have managed even an "I love you" or something similar? It seems strange that a character who has been imparting his wisdom to Clark for the past 5 seasons just *dies* without saying a word. I haven't seen it in a while, but I'm pretty sure Jonathan spoke to Clark just before he did in the Chris Reeves "Superman." Your thoughts?

[TheKents]

I think the look he gave was more than enogh..

[smallville_fetish]

Yeah I agree with TheKents. The way he looked, knowing that this was his last breath, the faint smile he had and the way he looked at Clark as if he was proud of his son, was more than words.

[Elite]

I was also expecting him to say something like "I'm proud of you son, take care of your mother"

But he just dropped his head and died :(

[Ton-El]

I think some parting wisdom would have been nice. Maybe tell Clark that it wasn't his fault or that he loved him, or that hes become the man that he wanted him to be or something nice. His death seemed a little anticlimactic to me.

[No-El]

Originally posted by kryptonomicon
Did this surprise anyone else? Couldn't Jonathan have managed even an "I love you" or something similar? It seems strange that a character who has been imparting his wisdom to Clark for the past 5 seasons just *dies* without saying a word. I haven't seen it in a while, but I'm pretty sure Jonathan spoke to Clark just before he did in the Chris Reeves "Superman." Your thoughts?


Glen Ford who played JK in the 1978 movie gave young Clark a pep talk after he showed off, but collapsed just moments after when Clark asked him to race up to the house.

Same outside scene, except it was evening in AG's Smallville Reckoning!

But, it was the looks JK gave to each Martha first then Clark second before he died in their arms. Same scene with all three on the farm driveway!:(

[Billy Jor-El]

Sometimes less is more. The looks JK gave Clark and Martha said it all.

[Mr._Action]

Final speeches suck. Unless you know for a fact that you're about to die. If he was on his deathbed it would be understandable. On Buffy, Tara's last words "Your shirt." after being shot. It wrapped up her character perfectly. Showing how much she loved Willow until the end. It was better then her saying "Willow, I love you. Don't forget me! Goodbye!!" The truth is, You don't always get a last word.

[OutlawAngel]

I tohught that would of been a great time (ok well dieing aint a great itme but you know what I mean) for that converstion at the end of the pilot episode to come back up about how Clark felt in 5 years. But honestly I thought the silent farewell said as much as any of Jonathan's platitutdes would have.

[Peediddy]

Well, when Lana died (because it wasnt how things were meant to be) Johnathan told Clark "Its Not Your Fault, there was nothing you could've done." I took that as his "last words" because it is the same what when HE died. In a round about way, it is his fault, but he didnt ASK to be brought back to life... Destiny.

[clois1938]

yeah I thought we would get some last words, even if it was not when he died. Earlier in the episode, I was expecting a Father/Son talk.:\

[ImaVirus]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Yeah I agree with TheKents. The way he looked, knowing that this was his last breath, the faint smile he had and the way he looked at Clark as if he was proud of his son, was more than words.

Exactly. I thought he looked at Clark like he was so proud of him, even wanting to say something, but alas, he died. I thought it was a very strong ending for a easy way to die. I will always hate that they killed off dad, but i think that look from jk to ck was great. I'm sad for Clark. It's too bad he can't shed a tear for him. But that's okay. I did it for him.

[Lana_Lang #1]

That is a look on Clark's face was one of deep sadness, acceptance and it's a brave face.

One of my best friend's father who died of a heart attack. I went with him to the funeral for moral support and he just stood there, he didn't cry.

I realized that people that don't cry at funerals have probably already cried themselves out.

I could feel his pain inside of me, I could sense his grief and there was nothing I could do for him to help him heal the hole in his heart.

When I looked into his face and his blue eyes...That look on his face that said "I've just lost a piece of my heart, a piece of my soul, things will never be the same again".

It's not that he didn't want to cry but he had already cried himself at home probably privately in his or up in his loft. He was just trying to be brave for his mother.

After that funeral scene my heart was crying. :(

[pat080580]

Take it from somebody who's seen every single episode of smallville. When he put one arm around Martha, and the other around Clark, and glanced at each before he died he said something.

"He said, i'm going to die now. But its a happy death because the last two things I will see on this earth are the two of you."

And if you couldn't read that from the scene then watch it again.

[kal-el_Girl]

I think that scene was beautifully executed, JK was really proud of clark and there were no words enough to say goodbye. he did everything he could for clark and that was enough for me.
miss you already Pa'

[Jebriggs98]

I agree his look said it all.

This season Clark and Jonathon's relationship has been a more mature one, you can see it in the way Jonathon reacts to Clark telling Lana and proposing. Before Jonathon would have done the lecture thing about protecting Clark's secret, but this time he accepts Clark's decision and congratulates him. He knows he has done his best raising Clark and that Clark will take the lessons with him.

[Red-Kryptonite1025]

Personaly I think that the scene was one of the most powerfull scenes in the entire series just because it had no lies but the audience knew exactly what was going on.

[ImaVirus]

I have watched it so many times. I just break down when I see them pull up and him collapse. AO'T really puts a lot of emotion in that scene also. She almost just smiles at him when he looks at her. Such a strong scene. You can feel her pain.*sniffle sniffle*

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Mr._Action
Final speeches suck. Unless you know for a fact that you're about to die. If he was on his deathbed it would be understandable. On Buffy, Tara's last words "Your shirt." after being shot. It wrapped up her character perfectly. Showing how much she loved Willow until the end. It was better then her saying "Willow, I love you. Don't forget me! Goodbye!!" The truth is, You don't always get a last word.

I couldn't agree more:)

[SmallvilleFanBlue]

I'm going to have to go on the other side for this one..
When we were told by an interview that the way the person dies.. We'd like it... This route, IMO I hated, no final words, granted they did a good screen-shot of all this/that of looking at marth/clark, (me being an opinionated person thinking JK should still be here today) still think he should of at LEAST got a few last words in...

[xrayvision]

I wonder if he knew he was going to be the one to die. Perhaps this was one of those messages Jor-El sent to JK only as he did another time in Legacy.

[Zungas]

Alicia didn't get any last lines....now Jonathon.

[Immrtal1]

It would have been nice to have had an "I love you" at the end but they handled the death scene pretty classy IMO.

[Supercanuck]

Hi all

This was a thought that sprung to me. What if JK and Jor-el still shared consciousness at a sub-conscious level? As JK was dying is life was probably flashing before eyes. If that’s the case Jor-el got to see what his son has become, from a child to the man before him. From there Jor-el received a gift he could never pay back to Jonathan, but does the next best thing. In return Jor-el knew that JK was too weak to say his last good byes and he transferred his final thoughts to a crystal. In that case we may find out near either the end of series or this season what Jonathan wanted to say. In way it may be the final words that make Clark become Superman. For the memories, wisdom and love of JK will always be apart of him in the FOS.

Just a thought, but would be cool. Plus it would be nice way to keep JS in the cast.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Yeah I agree with TheKents. The way he looked, knowing that this was his last breath, the faint smile he had and the way he looked at Clark as if he was proud of his son, was more than words.

I thought the look he gave CLark was one of "I can't beleive you chose that b**ch over me! After all I've done for you? You ungrateful a**hole!"

The last look to Martha was "Go get the Kryptonite Martha!"

Oh my....That was not meant seriously of course! JK was too good a man to ever think that (although ina n alternate timeline....) :p

[ImaVirus]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
I thought the look he gave CLark was one of "I can't beleive you chose that b**ch over me! After all I've done for you? You ungrateful a**hole!"

The last look to Martha was "Go get the Kryptonite Martha!"

Oh my....That was not meant seriously of course! JK was too good a man to ever think that (although ina n alternate timeline....) :p

:rotfl: :lol: :rotfl:

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by Zungas
Alicia didn't get any last lines....now Jonathon.

ok, now we know the real reason i'm, so angry at the writers!!!!

mmmmm....Alicia! huh? what??? darn, there i go again!

[jmf1]

I think it was better that Johnathan didn't have any last lines. Not sure we'd agree what he should have said besides the "I love you" and the look on his face and the actors (JS, AO'T & TW) expressions said everything. Lots of communication is non-verbal.

[Virtual_Me]

I agree that the look Jonathan gave to Martha and Clark just before he died was enough, it meant everything that he wanted to say without having to say it. I think it was good like that, cause the "I love you" deaths are so cliché, it's not done often when we see characters that dies without saying a thing.

[RJK62284]

I liked the fact that he didn't say anything. I thought it made the scene more dramatic

[SuperIncredible]

Well I think that they already had their talk back when JK was in the hospital for the triple bypass. Now that I think about it, it kinda foreshadowed his death.

[RedQ]

"Martha, I love you"
"Clark, I'm Proud of you"
(goes limp.)

The good reason for JK not to say a word are:
1. avoid the cliché
2. He won't be able to warn them about Lionel. And It won't take the that Moment with them together away.
3. Picture worth than a thousand words.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1829827#post1829827

same reason why Clark didn't Zoom JK to the hospital. Plus the stress would cause more problems.

[Shadowlord367]

The speech in "void" was pretty much what I think you all wanted.

[grenator]

Originally posted by OutlawAngel
I thought that would have been a great time (ok well dying ain't a great time but you know what I mean) for that conversation at the end of the pilot episode to come back up about how Clark felt in 5 years.
Nice catch about Clark's "Can I answer that in about five years?" line from the Pilot episode. As interesting as that would have been for Jonathan to ask, it would not have fit the situation properly. Jonathan dying silently was the way to go. John Schneider even said that he liked how the death scene was sort of like the old John Wayne movies.

[leeanachs07]

But he does come back and say it a few episodes later, that counts.

I like the way it he died, we were left waiting and waited and then ...clunk!

[watcher4]

Originally posted by Shadowlord367
The speech in "void" was pretty much what I think you all wanted.

I agree that the looks that he gave to both Martha and Clark said volumes. Yet, I am glad that JK was able to tell Clark what he did in "Void". It sorta was like a final good-bye (with tears rolling down my face).:(

[KryptonX81]

He said more in his silence than he ever would have in words.

As he looked at his beautiful wife and great son he smiled and thought to himself
" Well i guess this is it. But you know what, its ok becuase after looking at you guys and realizing what I have I think that I did ok."

[RedQ]

that those were his last thoughts.

And i think this thread is for the LAST words that he would say not think. :D

[silverfist]

I was so happy he didn't get any last words. That's life in many cases and only made the scene more realistic.

[Lonnietoons]

I kinda wish it wasn't so rushed. I thought it was kinda just BAM dead.
I do think it was much better without last words though. That is so cliched. To me it's also so much more tragic that he doesn't get time to say anything and only collapses in the arms of the ones who love him.