Eureka!!! What if Clark really ISN'T stupid??!!!

[Vatusia]

I was stilll grumpy about certain elements of last night's episode when something hit me like a bolt from the heavens: WHAT IF Clark didn't really turn back time because Lana knowing his secret would place her in danger - what if he turned back time because, knowing that even after he'd poured out his soul to Lana and agreed to marry her, Lana still gravitated toward Lex?

The only reason Lana didn't die twice in the story was that Clark knew she would go to console Lex after the election, and Clark was there to save her from the school bus. The second time, Lana didn't know Clark's secret, but she DID still betray what would eventually become her family to go to her fiance's rival in love and her fiance's father's rival in politics, and make nice. That was the common denominator in the two scenarios, and the one that ultimately caused her death.

Maybe Clark realized he'd made a terrible mistake, he got a gut hunch that he'd placed his trust and his life in the wrong woman's hands and that this had terrible consequences - her death? What if on some level Clark realized that his perception of Lana was all still based on gooey teenaged fantasy about a pretty girl, that in fact they'd never REALLY gotten along and still weren't, and that fate (as in Final Destination, which people seem to be bringing up a lot) hadn't meant her for him or him for her?

Of course he TOLD Chloe that he turned back time because his secret cost her her life (gee, Clark, doesn't it also put Chloe in danger??). Maybe he didn't even acknowledge the truth on a conscious level. But what if, deep down, he knew that he'd violated his destiny in what he did at the beginning of the ep? That he finally realized the kind of woman that we have always known Lana is (at last! Clark acknowledges her moral ambiguity too! :lol: )?

The beauty of this is that, provided Clana never gets together again (please God! :eek: ) - it needs to be definitively over, with little or no visible Lexana jealousy from Clark - is that Lana DOES become the 'girl Clark leaves behind' and Lois Lane is no longer the consolation prize, the afterthought, the one Clark settles for after The One gets away. :rolleyes:

(The Clanaists will hate this scenario of course, but *I* think it is the only possible outcome with any sane potential. :) )

[cakreel]

Possibly not stupid but in denial? I like your theory. He has a nagging feeling that Lana is not the one for him. His heart says "yes" but his mind says "no".

All of this could be subconscious, since I don't think he would begin lying to Chloe again. But he definitely could be lying to himself.

[Vatusia]

Or his mind says yes but his HEART says no. ;)

Exactly.

[cakreel]

Mmmm. Intuition?

[Hugo]

I agree with all of you. Now who is he going to be with Chole or lois next or is Chole really Lana when the two are older? Will something happen to the Lois we know and then Chole takes over her idenity, or will something happen to Chole.

Also I know Sam Jones III is not on the show anymore but it would have been nice to see him (Pete) paying his respects to Mr. Kent and saying something to Clark. Think about it your father dies wouldn't you want all your their?

For a while I had a friend who said that in the 100 show Clark would get a call from Pete's mom annoucing that Pete was dead and that Pete would be the one to go. He said it would slove the problem of fans asking the producers to bring Pete back to the show.

[Vatusia]

Well we know that didn't happen. ;) (Pete dying in 100)

As for Chloe becoming Lois, you might want to check out the big thread on it in the Speculation forum. :)

Welcome to the board, btw! :D

I really think the show will be dead if they ever so much as hint at Lana and Clark getting back together again. That train has sailed. ;)

[scoobycookies]

yeah I think the choice to not tell Lana would have played better if the writers had had Clark say to Chloe that he couldn't tell Lana the secret again because Lana doesn't have enough of a poker face.

[Superboy2]

Originally posted by Tyrrath
I was stilll grumpy about certain elements of last night's episode when something hit me like a bolt from the heavens: WHAT IF Clark didn't really turn back time because Lana knowing his secret would place her in danger - what if he turned back time because, knowing that even after he'd poured out his soul to Lana and agreed to marry her, Lana still gravitated toward Lex?

The only reason Lana didn't die twice in the story was that Clark knew she would go to console Lex after the election, and Clark was there to save her from the school bus. The second time, Lana didn't know Clark's secret, but she DID still betray what would eventually become her family to go to her fiance's rival in love and her fiance's father's rival in politics, and make nice. That was the common denominator in the two scenarios, and the one that ultimately caused her death.

Maybe Clark realized he'd made a terrible mistake, he got a gut hunch that he'd placed his trust and his life in the wrong woman's hands and that this had terrible consequences - her death? What if on some level Clark realized that his perception of Lana was all still based on gooey teenaged fantasy about a pretty girl, that in fact they'd never REALLY gotten along and still weren't, and that fate (as in Final Destination, which people seem to be bringing up a lot) hadn't meant her for him or him for her?

Of course he TOLD Chloe that he turned back time because his secret cost her her life (gee, Clark, doesn't it also put Chloe in danger??). Maybe he didn't even acknowledge the truth on a conscious level. But what if, deep down, he knew that he'd violated his destiny in what he did at the beginning of the ep? That he finally realized the kind of woman that we have always known Lana is (at last! Clark acknowledges her moral ambiguity too! :lol: )?

The beauty of this is that, provided Clana never gets together again (please God! :eek: ) - it needs to be definitively over, with little or no visible Lexana jealousy from Clark - is that Lana DOES become the 'girl Clark leaves behind' and Lois Lane is no longer the consolation prize, the afterthought, the one Clark settles for after The One gets away. :rolleyes:

(The Clanaists will hate this scenario of course, but *I* think it is the only possible outcome with any sane potential. :) )
Why didn't Clark keep an eye on her? Or Chloe? He knew where she was, but waited for the call. And I agree, it is the only sane idea.

[tomwellingishott]

Originally posted by Tyrrath
Of course he TOLD Chloe that he turned back time because his secret cost her her life (gee, Clark, doesn't it also put Chloe in danger??). Yeah, but Clark didn't tell Chloe his secret... she found out herself... so he has no choice but to deal with Chloe's knowledge of his secret. After Reckoning, I doubt Clark will ever tell Lana. So, Lana will never wanna get together with Clark due to secrets, lies, blah, blah, blah... My point is that while Lana and Chloe are in equal danger, Clark can't control Chloe's knowledge of his secret, while he can control Lana's knowledge of it by not telling her.

[Vatusia]

You misunderstood what I said, TWIH. ;) I said Clark told Chloe about the time reversal. And yes, Clark did in fact tell Chloe the truth and the whole truth about himself - though it would have been hard to explain away the FOS with krypto-freakdom! :lol: Still, when she passed out from the cold, he could have spirited her back to Smallville and made up some story. He CHOSE to tell her.

Still, it doesn't negate my points. Chloe IS in as much danger as Lana ever was, and Clark still told her the secret (albeit while standing in the FOS! :lol: ). And Lana didn't die or nearly die in either version of events in 'Reckoning' because she knew the secret - she died because she's a disloyal little so-and-so who ran out on Clark and his family to go see their collective rival.

[smallvillejunkie]

All of these characters are intelligent people, yet Cloe is the only one who 'called out' Clark on his famous 'Now ya see me...now ya don't' routine. I find it hard to believe that Lana...whom we are led to believe never really stopped loving Clark, wouldn't know that there is something 'extra-special' about her knight in shining armor. But I agree, I am so over these 2 'loving you but I can't be with you'...yada,yadda,yadda. It would have been cool for Clark & Chloe to hook up, but they work best as buds. Since the writers took the time to incorporate Ms. Lois Lane (the future Mrs.Superman) into the show, they may as well get the ball rolling between Clark & Lois! Especially if following the comic/movie is the road they are taking. (Although introducing Lois NOW deviates from the comic/movie. :eek: lol)

[opera_ghost]

Clana isn't dead yet.

it's just been morphed into a full fledged triangle now.

***

Chloe**

*My Favorite subject*

I will never forget that line... "You know.. as I lie here.. I find myself contemplating.. which of us is more freaked out right now.. me.. being in a hospital in alaska.. or you... knowing finally that I know your secret."

Clark took to a hospital in alaska because of the danger of the extra time running her to smallvillle. (That wind may have dropped her core temp even worse.) But, he also knew that.. much like Ms. Ball... "Lucy.. you got some 'splainin' to do."

If it wasn't for the lack of physical desire.. chloe would be perfect for him.

[SmallvilleMan]

I think you're reaching a lot here, imo. Lana didn't betray Clark at all. She went to see her FRIEND, the guy who recently took a bullet for her. Clark would never in a million years believe that Lana would betray him. Clark just saw her die, he wasn't going to tell her after that.


That he finally realized the kind of woman that we have always known Lana is

:lol: Oh you mean the kind of woman, lana haters make her out to be? The same one who would never accept clark for who he really is? When she accepted him, no questions asked. Didn't even blast him out for lying to her all these years. Didn't overreact, just told him he's the same handsome person he's always been. That's who Lana really is, a caring person, who only wanted the truth from the person she loved more than anyone.

[bkzcici]

Clark and Chloe can never be an item. They are perfect the way they are. Clark is able to tell Chloe anything and Chloe is able to give him a good outsider advice. Remember when Chloe broke it off with Clark because he went to save Lana and left her? Because she thinks Lana is more important. The truth is, all of them are important to Clark. People in relationship are hard to have a good look at the surrounding. Even someone like Chloe gave up the chance with Clark bc of a little thing before shows what relationship does to people!

I agree with SmallvilleMan. Lana was just being a friend. Would any of you want a friend who would leave you because her fiance despises u? No. She has always been a friend of Lex, so logically, she wouldn't stop being a friend just because she's engaged to the Kent. So the reason why Clark does not tell Lana the truth the 2nd time is not because he thinks she betrayed him. You guys are reading a little to deep into this, and twisted the point.

[SmallvilleMan]

I think this whole scenrio proves actually why Lana can't win with some people, no matter what she does. Honestly, if Lana had stayed with clark, i can see people calling her a horrible friend for ignoring Lex when Lex has no one else. Instead, she was a good friend and tried to calm him down.

[smallvillejunkie]

I don't feel that Lana was betraying Clark by going to Lex, but could her timing have been any worse? But, then again, everything was a bit rushed in this episode, so her timing wasn't meant to be great! lol

[SamBanksJLA]

Lana is always in a no win situation. She can't ever win with the 'Chlarkers', just like Chloe can't win with the 'Clana' people.

[watcher4]

No-Win Situation?

[Vatusia]

Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
Lana is always in a no win situation. She can't ever win with the 'Chlarkers', just like Chloe can't win with the 'Clana' people.

For the record, I'm not a shipper. I am neither Clana, Chlark, nor Clois, at least for the life of the series (I do insist that Clark end up with Lois Lane in the long haul ;) )

But Lana does a lot of nasty s$%t and never gets called on it. That look on Clark's face as he watches Lana with Lex says that maybe after all this time, he's on to her. ;)

[Slickz0r]

Originally posted by scoobycookies
yeah I think the choice to not tell Lana would have played better if the writers had had Clark say to Chloe that he couldn't tell Lana the secret again because Lana doesn't have enough of a poker face.

Well, that was more or less what he said, including he didn't want Lana to be in danger because of knowing his secret. Just rewatch the dialogue between Chloe and Clark the 2nd time, and you could interpret it that way.

[the_small_fan]

Love is love. "I could never picture myself with anyone except lana"

If you dont call that true love i dont know what it is then.

They dont get along? What on earth made you say that? Before clark started keeping secrets from lana they went together like bread and butter!

Your theory is just a interpritation. If clark actually thought that then I think they would have added emphasis on that point.

[Vatusia]

Clark has never NOT kept secrets from Lana! And besides, Lana hasn't shown herself worthy of the secret - in fact, she showed herself decidedly UNWORTHY of it in 'Reckoning'.

And no, Clark and Lana have never gotten along. Watched your season 2-5 DVDs lately? :lol:

[Shiver]

What nobody's talked about yet is that, by the end of the episode, Clark knows it's not his secret that gets Lana killed. He didn't tell Lana anything and she *still* had a fight with Lex. So Clana broke up for nothing. Weird.

I think what Clark really means by the "Lana can't know my secret" thing is that he can't bear the responsibility he'd feel if he told her.

[clois1938]

I think JK's death has pushed Clark out of his Lana fog. He'll start to realize that he and Lana are just not meant to be. And I think once Clark and Lana start to become friends, Clark will be able to tell Lana his secret like Chloe and Pete. But not before they become just friends.