Lana, you almost killed Lois!

[clarks other weakness]

I'm pretty sure Lana is the reason Lois almost died in tonights episode ... no?

Heres my reasoning..

Time Warp 1: Lois stands on a stool to reach some junk food, and almost falls, and would have too if it wasnt that Lana showed up to catch her. Lana showed up to catch her because she was supposed to be there to help. Everyones good.

Time Warp 2: Clark doesnt tell Lana, she gets all mad, and never goes to help with the election. Lois, still stressed out, goes to reach for the junk food but when she slips, Lana isnt there to catch her, and so Lois falls over, knocking over some water and some form of electricity that would have totally fried her ... if Clark didnt show up last minute. Thus, Lana = cause of Lois' potential death?

Am i on to anything here? Was this something completely obvious? I just want to make sure my reasoning is correct ..

... so agree or disagree?

[Lara Lane]

Well, your reasoning is right, but technically it wouldn't have been Lana's fault but Clark.

[Slytherin Princess]

yes, you are correct. but of course, lana had no idea she was the reason that she prevented lois from falling.

[Poetic Chaos]

I was wondering how she was on the ground. Thanks for pointing this out. Seems obvious now.

[God-Man]

I was scared for a second when I saw Lois on he ground. Then I realized, "Silly boy, Lois CAN'T die!" *phew*

[KkLana1]

Are you drunk? She couln't save her cuz she wasn't there but How you going to say she almost killed her. She fell by her self because shes clumsy. What you going to say next, Lana killed JK too?

[Jellie]

Lana didnt kill jk. Clark did.

[dvg89]

JK would have died anyway

[Jellie]

Not if Lana stayed dead

[BoSoxJim]

plugged in toaster on a completely wet floor???? OMG, after seeing that I wish I had died in Lana's place! jk :D

[Jellie]

me too :)

[scoobycookies]

cause of Lois' potential death?
and then Fate, wanting none of that, stepped in waving her finger, "oh no you don't, pinky you wish!" Pings Clark's head, "find lois". Good boy, Clarkie.

[wyrm11]

I totally forgot about Lana catching Lois. With all that was going on, it slipped my mind. Thanks for making that connection obvious for me.

Obviously like others are saying though, it would have technically been Clark's fault.

And no people, Jonathan Kent wouldn't have died anyway. Like Jor-El said, even though Clark turned back time to save Lana, Fate would still get its way, it tried to get Lois, but when Clark saved her as well, it got JK.

[liana]

Originally posted by clarks other weakness
I'm pretty sure Lana is the reason Lois almost died in tonights episode ... no?

Heres my reasoning..

Time Warp 1: Lois stands on a stool to reach some junk food, and almost falls, and would have too if it wasnt that Lana showed up to catch her. Lana showed up to catch her because she was supposed to be there to help. Everyones good.

Time Warp 2: Clark doesnt tell Lana, she gets all mad, and never goes to help with the election. Lois, still stressed out, goes to reach for the junk food but when she slips, Lana isnt there to catch her, and so Lois falls over, knocking over some water and some form of electricity that would have totally fried her ... if Clark didnt show up last minute. Thus, Lana = cause of Lois' potential death?

Am i on to anything here? Was this something completely obvious? I just want to make sure my reasoning is correct ..

... so agree or disagree?

Of course she is not! If you want to blame anyone, blame Clark. He is the one who did the time reversal and didn't care about the fact that someone else would have to die.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by wyrm11
And no people, Jonathan Kent wouldn't have died anyway. Like Jor-El said, even though Clark turned back time to save Lana, Fate would still get its way, it tried to get Lois, but when Clark saved her as well, it got JK.

oh man, i need more alcohol.

to sum up.

beginning of season 3, jk makes pact with jor-el to bring clark home, result was severely shortened life. therefore jk was on borrowed time.

jk was a 2 for 1 special that was served up by the writers.

2 for 1 meaning that jk owed jor-el his life for saving clark and clark owed a loved one for his resurrection.

[clarks other weakness]

yeah, you guys do make really good points. it is definitely more clarks fault than lanas. thank you for posting back!

[smallville_fetish]

Well it wouldn't have made sense at all to put Lois in a life/death situation because she doesn't qualify to be in the same league as Lana and the Kents. I'm guess the life/death balance was trying to grasp hold of everyone Clark loves in an order. First Lana, who he saved, then Jonathan, and if he saved him, Martha would've been up on next list, then Chloe. Lois being there made no sense at all to me.

[scoobycookies]

Well it wouldn't have made sense at all to put Lois in a life/death situation because she doesn't qualify to be in the same league as Lana and the Kents. I'm guess the life/death balance was trying to grasp hold of everyone Clark loves in an order. First Lana, who he saved, then Jonathan, and if he saved him, Martha would've been up on next list, then Chloe. Lois being there made no sense at all to me.
Actually Lois was first in BOTH timelines. It's just that Lois is saved no matter which timeline it is because Fate will not allow Lois to die before the LoisClarkSuperman destiny is reached.

You have to think about the purpose of Lois falling, it wasn't a random scene the writers threw in. Prior to reaching for the cookies in timeline 1, Lois had turned on the water in the sink. Lois was already falling, when Lana stepped in to catch her and push her back up on the stool. If the fall in timeline 1 had completed, Lois would have died by electrocution as suggested in timeline 2, just as car accident and heartattack remain the causes of potential death for lana and jonathon in both timelines.

In the first timeline, Lana saves Lois from electrocution by catching her fall. In the second timeline, Clark saves her from electrocution by lifting her off the water. And technically Clark is responsible for both saves because it is his reveal to Lana in timeline 1 that leads her to Lois to ask for advice and is able to catch Lois' fall.

The purpose of showing Lois as the first target in BOTH timelines is to show that the universe very much knows that Lois is Clark's greatest love. The purpose of showing that Lois is saved no matter which timeline their in, is to show that Lois and Clark are destined to be together in EVERY TIMELINE. Fate will not allow Lois to die before the LoisClarkSuperman destiny is reached.

[bkzcici]

What a joke! LANA SAVED LOIS. If it wasn't for Lana, Lois would've died the first time. It's lois' fault she almost died. Why does everyone blame Lana for everything. That girl is clueless!

To elaborate on what I just said. During the first time, if Lana wasn't there to save Lois, she really would've died because Clark wouldn't know Lois is supposed to appear to announce JK becoming the senator. So Lois is saved by Lana, not almost killed!

[ImaVirus]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
plugged in toaster on a completely wet floor???? OMG, after seeing that I wish I had died in Lana's place! jk :D

Just to clarify a couple of things, you see the toaster on her countertop next to the sink. When she falls off the chair, she would have knocked the toaster onto the floor. She turns on the water just before she starts to climb onto the stool. She gets off the phone, right before she slips.

She falls, knocks toaster onto floor, water keeps running and fills up the sink and starts to over flow. Hence, water on floor and toaster laying next to it. Luckily for us, Clark was smart and noticed the difference the second time around.

[phoephoe]

LOL, wow it took reading this thread for me to realize what happened to Lois. I was like well why is she on the floor and why is there water all over and the toaster is there and... then I was like, a ha, Lana did it... just jokingly knowing she didn't. I was still in question as to why Lois was on the floor.

[LuckyKrypto]

See what we are all missing here is that it's not Lana or Clark that almost killed Lois it's those darn ding dongs!:D

I knew they were bad news the minute I saw them.......

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
See what we are all missing here is that it's not Lana or Clark that almost killed Lois it's those darn ding dongs!:D

I knew they were bad news the minute I saw them....... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Good one!!! I just don't understand how chocolate can turn bad..... WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME YOU BEAUTIFUL CREATION????? :D

Back on to the topic, I think that it was just, as Jor-El said, fate balancing itself out. A life force was needed and so it was gonna be Lois, Clark saved her and then it was Lana, and so eventually it was Jonathon and the force was fulfilled. (I might have mixed up the order :))

[Kal'sGirl]

If we really want to get technical, Clark saved Lois

-- he told Lana in the first timeline and thus she went to the Talon, which she wouldn't have done if he didn't tell her the truth. She then saved Lois from falling thus allowing Lois to make her speech later on that night

-- In the second timeline he notices she's not where she was in the first timeline and thus saves her.

-- If Clark did not tell Lana in the first timeline Lois would have died that night because no one would know (not even Clark) that she was going to be electrocuted.

[LuckyKrypto]

I like your thinking Kal's Girl! :D

I found it interesting though that Lana didn't go to the Talon in the second timeline. They made it seem as though she was there to help with something for Mr. Kent's election stuff that night??

[Happy Random]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
I like your thinking Kal's Girl! :D

I found it interesting though that Lana didn't go to the Talon in the second timeline. They made it seem as though she was there to help with something for Mr. Kent's election stuff that night??

Good points (you too Kal's Girl)
I think that she is trying to avoid Lois because she secretly knows that at some point Lois will be his new woman. ;)

But seriously, why wasn't she there? Where was she when she was supposed to be at the Talon helping Lois? Clark must've really ticked her off or something..

[Kal'sGirl]

This was prolly the most subtle Clois anvil this show has yet produced (and I'm saying this as a chloiser minds you ;) )

But really, Lana's hand touch to Lois' back was a passing of the death from one to another, then Lana and Jonathan's gazes on the road passed the torch on from there.

Right after Lois is saved she says something that now never really happens-- she admits how much she admires Clark. this is an admittance that will probably now never happen until the Daily Planet years from now. They erased it from Smallville Canon because it is Clois.

"Fate" or what have you wanted Lois Lane that day. She was only saved from certain death in the now "real" timeline because Clark noticed she was missing. I mean honestly, all the decorations were in her apartment. How did the Talon get to schnazzy without someone tripping over her to get the streamers? Clark was meant to save her.

[zeo]

JK would of died even if clark did another time travel because JK had heart problems


I wouldn't say jor-el was completely guilty for it but looking at past eps JK would of died even with clark's powers.



JK was taking pills behind his family's back to stay alive. Even if clark went back in time again to stop JK from meeting Lionel,( the JK & Lionel event must have really shot his heart) clark cant' replace human hearts.

[clarks other weakness]

you all definitely are a lot more open minded than me, and i wish i could be that open minded ... i immediately thought Lana was at fault, then more clark, but after reading the following post by Scoobycookies, i see it was really fate that had everything to do with it. very very interesting...


Originally posted by scoobycookies
Actually Lois was first in BOTH timelines. It's just that Lois is saved no matter which timeline it is because Fate will not allow Lois to die before the LoisClarkSuperman destiny is reached.

You have to think about the purpose of Lois falling, it wasn't a random scene the writers threw in. Prior to reaching for the cookies in timeline 1, Lois had turned on the water in the sink. Lois was already falling, when Lana stepped in to catch her and push her back up on the stool. If the fall in timeline 1 had completed, Lois would have died by electrocution as suggested in timeline 2, just as car accident and heartattack remain the causes of potential death for lana and jonathon in both timelines.

In the first timeline, Lana saves Lois from electrocution by catching her fall. In the second timeline, Clark saves her from electrocution by lifting her off the water. And technically Clark is responsible for both saves because it is his reveal to Lana in timeline 1 that leads her to Lois to ask for advice and is able to catch Lois' fall.

The purpose of showing Lois as the first target in BOTH timelines is to show that the universe very much knows that Lois is Clark's greatest love. The purpose of showing that Lois is saved no matter which timeline their in, is to show that Lois and Clark are destined to be together in EVERY TIMELINE. Fate will not allow Lois to die before the LoisClarkSuperman destiny is reached.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I actually didn't think the purpose of this thread was to blame Lana, but just to say that Lana's not being that is what led to Lois almost being elctrocuted . . .but then I always did go for the more complex issue. ;)

I actually didn't have a problem with Lana so much in this episode as I did with Clark, but that's a discussion for a different time. I don't however think anyone but that pesky Hand of Fate was responsible for any of the deaths, but it will give you headache if you think about it too much. Jor el only gave Clark the crystal to reverse time which he warned Clark would only work once, Jor El did not however choose who was going to die in the first place, at least I don't think so.

He only inferred that because of the natural balance when Clark was resurrected someone had to die in his place and again in the natural balance it would have to be someone who's fate was tied directly to Clark's i.e, someone he cared about. It's very possible that Jor El KNEW what was going to happen but didn't say, but I don't think he caused what happened as it was fate who turned the knife and thusly fate that saved Lois.

*sigh* but to quote the great Zoomway.


But then I realise this is Smallville, and there is nothing big going on here

[Lara Lane]

Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
But really, Lana's hand touch to Lois' back was a passing of the death from one to another, then Lana and Jonathan's gazes on the road passed the torch on from there.

Wow, I hadn't seen it that way... you're right! Awesome observation!

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by Happy Random
But seriously, why wasn't she there? Where was she when she was supposed to be at the Talon helping Lois? Clark must've really ticked her off or something..

How do we know that she wasn't there? Since Lana didn't go to the Fortress of Solitude, she might have gone to the Talon early to help Lois. Lois then tells her to work downstairs. After Lana finishes, she leaves, and then Lois starts getting her chocolate and then falls. Lana might have been there, just earlier than she was before.