JUMP or FLY

[beefywellingtom]

I've seen a few messages on the board about whether in the opening scene Clark flew or "super jumped". For my own personal interest I'd like to get a visual on what everyone thinks. So even if you replied to another post, feel free to vote here!!

[zonofzod]

Able to LEAP! tall buildings in a single bound.

[All about Clark]

I think if we saw directional or speed changes we could call if flight, but we didn't, I picked super jump.

[beefywellingtom]

so it's a super leap? but isn't his ability to "leap tall buildings in a single bound" based on the fact that he could fly? I call it flight..besides the landing was TOO SMOOTH to be a jump.

[Ton-El]

I think he just jumped. As All about Clark said, he just went straight up, so its not like he was in control while he was in the air. The landing was pretty soft though so who knows.

[Poetic Chaos]

If he flew there wouldn't be need for a poll to debate it. We'd all know.

[JD_lover5943]

I think it was a super-jump. If he flew he wouldn't have gone (almost) strait up and down, he would have glided in for the landing. And Lana would have been a little more freaked out if he flew I think.

[HalJordan4184]

It was a jump. Leaping tall buildings in a single bound, is just taht. He can leap over a tall building in a single bound. He's superstrong. He can jump really high. It has nothing to do with flight. I really get tired of all the people citing anytime clark jumps as solid proof of flight. When flight comes, we'll all know it. It won't be a side piece in the opening of some episode.

[Super Skunk]

Originally posted by beefywellingtom
so it's a super leap? but isn't his ability to "leap tall buildings in a single bound" based on the fact that he could fly? I call it flight..besides the landing was TOO SMOOTH to be a jump.

I think originally, he could not fly and instead just jumped really high.

[Liriel]

Originally posted by Super Skunk
I think originally, he could not fly and instead just jumped really high.

That is correct.

I think this was flight, though. Too smooth an ascent, no impact on landing, etc.

[God-Man]

I want to believe he flew. Then again, I also want to believe that the 2nd half of the episode never happened.

[Jellie]

No and no.

[gC27]

it was a super jump and nothing else, "no flights no tights" rule remember

[God-Man]

Originally posted by gC27
it was a super jump and nothing else, "no flights no tights" rule remember

"Crusade"-Clark flies.

[last man of krypton]

Even though I gave a hearty fanboy-scream when I saw Clark take off, my smile slowly faded as I realized it was just a jump. :(

[God-Man]

Jump. Fly. It was a breathtaking scene nonetheless. Very romantic as well.

[jimmyolsenblues]

True Superman comic fact, in 1939 when the comic started he could not fly, but jump 1/8th of a mile at most at a time.

[God-Man]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
True Superman comic fact, in 1939 when the comic started he could not fly, but jump 1/8th of a mile at most at a time.

I would like to see Clark leap around more instead of running all of the time.

[Poetic Chaos]

It's easier to spot someone leaping in the air than when they're moving faster than the eye can see.

[gC27]

Originally posted by God-Man
"Crusade"-Clark flies.

that was "kal-el" clark, he has an exception, i hate to say it but clark will most likely never fly on the show based on many interviews with the shows producers, even if they do decide to make him fly it wont just be out of the blue like that, they would establish that he can and revolve an episode around it

[superman05]

its not an exception he still flew

[Arista 07]

That was flying and I feel shortchanged that we didn't get to see him home that ability.

[Addictedtosmllvill]

He flew! You can't get that much distance with a jump. Besides, that's how he tells Lana in one of the comics. :)

[Timester]

"Leaps tall buildings in a single bound."

This quote is older than anyone of us and, that's right, it's Superman.

It was a leap.

[MBCorp]

When I was watching it I automatically assumed that he flew because it didn't look at all like he was jumping.

[vyperman7]

You have to assume that it was flight. Why else would they slow it down so much and make it seem so controlled with such a soft landing?

I am still bummed they did not show Lana flashing back on the tornado scene from Vortex while they were flying up. Since she thought she saw Clark defying gravity in the tornado, it would have been awesome for her to make that connection while she was flying up with Clark.

People who are saying it is a jump are sticking to the reasoning that it wasn't flight because they did not make a big enough deal. Maybe they already got that out of the way with Crusade, even though it technically wasn't Clark flying.

I still say that since he can remember the experience as Kal-El that he had to retain some knowledge of how to fly as well.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Nope IMO it was a jump. If he flew we'd know it. They would have pimped his flying big time ;)

[Little Ricky]

He didn't jump. He "willed" himself up there. He wanted to take her up there so bad that he just did it. ;)

[Timester]

Originally posted by vyperman7
You have to assume that it was flight. Why else would they slow it down so much and make it seem so controlled with such a soft landing?

I am still bummed they did not show Lana flashing back on the tornado scene from Vortex while they were flying up. Since she thought she saw Clark defying gravity in the tornado, it would have been awesome for her to make that connection while she was flying up with Clark.

People who are saying it is a jump are sticking to the reasoning that it wasn't flight because they did not make a big enough deal. Maybe they already got that out of the way with Crusade, even though it technically wasn't Clark flying.

I still say that since he can remember the experience as Kal-El that he had to retain some knowledge of how to fly as well.

Gravity doesn't affect Clark's strenght, it's the same thing like the astronauts on the Moon. He is strong enough to deny Earth's gravity (we saw him catching a ICBM) and also to control the landing force.

The cats also can do big jumps and control the landing.

[wellde]

I think that was flight, and doesn't break the no tights no flight rule. We're not going to see Clark fly around smallville like he is superman but I think that was levitation. It reminded me of the episode relic. I know that was jor-el but I think Clark is capable of simple flight like I believe he did in this episode. I don't think he is capable of flying around the world but I didn't see anything that led me to believe that was a jump but who knows, just my opinion.

[Arista 07]

Whatever you want to label it, it resembled Jor-El and Louise's ascent upward. We all identified that as flight. I say Clark flew.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Arista 07
Whatever you want to label it, it resembled Jor-El and Louise's ascent upward. We all identified that as flight. I say Clark flew.

I say bad CGI. :lol:

[Vortex]

After watching the scene a few times, I agree 100% with flight. The take off and the landing were smooth, and he didn't have the body position that he does when he usually jumps.
Also i asked 4 people and they also say that he defenately flew.

[opera_ghost]

it was more of a controlled jump than a flight...

but with the exception of Crusade... it was definitely the closest thing we've seen yet to a true flight. (It was the most control he's shown in his vertical leaps yet.)

[PETER WEST]

Clark "Leaped"/ "SUPER" Jumped into The Air. He didn't Fly .

[Katadare]

I think it was a jump
because there was an arc to it

whereas if he flew, I think it would have been more like floating to that piece of ice

but who knows, maybe he learned something when he was at the FoS

[Clark Kent 86]

He jumped! When Clark finally flies they will make it into a big event.

[dherrin79]

I think it was just a little bit of both. Remember in vortex He told jonathan he felt like he willed himself towards Lana's truck and at the same time he felt out of control. So He could have started with a jump and subconciously caused a smooth desent.

[gamer2]

Clark pauses for a moment sizes up the jump and then leaps. If he was going to fly he would have just flown up there no need to size it up.

[HalJordan4184]

Jump. THere is no actual evidence to support flight. What, was it supposed to be a bumpy ride if he jumped. WHat's this too smooth of an ascent stuff. Last time i checked, you don't wobble when you jump. At least, i don't. Well, then maybe i can fly.

And the landing, to smooth, how so? Was he supposed to crater the ground after a fall of say, a foot. I've fallen a foot, i never cratered the ground.

He guys, looks like i can fly.

[dfm82]

http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html&ref_id=1718&tid=86270&ref_type=101

[smallville_fantic_uk]

I don't know why people are voting jump as it was the 100th episode so it's something different which is another landmark in Clarks life. It was definately him flying, no question about it

[Hendo]

Originally posted by dfm82
http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html&ref_id=1718&tid=86270&ref_type=101


so if he did jump then why is Tom Welling talking about flying? And why is an official interview saying that he flew? For me this subject is confirmed and closed ;p


The big news for fans is that Kent finally gets his wings: Superman can fly. "For me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman," says Welling. It doesn't necessarily mean he's about to put on the cape and tights, he adds.

[Confuzatron]

I say he flew. If it was a jump it was controlled with flight, I mean, I don't think he'd just needlessly LEAP that far, the landing could be really awkward, and he had Lana with him... so.... I say if it was a jump, the end was controlled with flight.


Face it you no fliers, it won't be long til he is flying everywhere!!!

[gloria]

Originally posted by Confuzatron
I say if it was a jump, the end was controlled with flight.




am not sure...maybe your right

but you know in hidden and crusade before he jumped/flew he like erm...how do i put this crouched down?..to get more power?

does that make sence?

but in this epi i swear he didnt do that..

[opera_ghost]

Originally posted by Hendo
so if he did jump then why is Tom Welling talking about flying? And why is an official interview saying that he flew? For me this subject is confirmed and closed ;p


he was speaking about the fact that the show started with a 'no flight, no tights' policy. And how he agreed with it... that this story isn't about superman.. it's about Clark Kent as a boy in smallville.. and flying to him.. is moving into the realm of superman.

I read that same interview.. he was talking about how he'd prefer NOT to fly before the finale of the series.

[smallville_fetish]

I think it was too long to be a jump. If it was a jump, it would’ve have showed Lana looking around all amazed and breathless, well she still would've been if he was super jumping, but she wouldn't have been given that of a long time to look around.. but then again, Lana did say 'this isn't the first time you've done it' as in, if he flew this time, he must've flew the other times, in Hidden (which if he did, he wouldn’t have needed to grab hold of the rocket to climb up) and in Exposed (which he could've pulled that helicopter down without needing a rope) and so, I guess it still qualifies as a jump, a jump one step closer to flying.

[beefywellingtom]

So I've now watched this epi 15 times (currently on my 16th while typing this *cheese*) and I think I'm gonna have to say: WE'RE ALL RIGHT ON THIS ONE. TPTB have their "no flights no tights" rule and they've been tip toeing around it. When Clark (as Kal-El) flew, they said "well technically we haven't broken the rule because it was Kal-El not Clark".. so here we are again. The jump/take off was a bit amiguous. I've watched it over and over. My initial reaction was 100% that he flew and yes I flipped out like most everyone else who thought he flew. but now.. eh.. don't know. However, like mentioned earlier, no matter what it was, it was great.

[boli06]

Technically clark flying didn't actually happen, since he went back in time, hence not breaking the "no tighs no flight" rule.

[bkzcici]

He jumped. You see him bending lower just before jumping.

[snafu2dj]

It was no more than we've seen him do many other times in this show. It was a jump for sure. He's performed more outrageous jumps than this one in the past. For example in the twister and another in the episode where he jumped buildings. There's 2 already. This was just a straight shot up and land. By the way he did fly when he was after the crystals last season. It was even in the credits.

[beefywellingtom]

Originally posted by boli06
Technically clark flying didn't actually happen, since he went back in time, hence not breaking the "no tighs no flight" rule.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I wouldn't be surprised to see those "slippery" show producers/writers use that in one of their attempts to say they didn't really break the rule.

[No-El]

I thought about this and decided it was a pre-cursor flight with a controled soft landing......essentially he did fly up to the upper level of the Fortress!

I voted FLY!

[DrifterJoe]

The landing was never actually shown. So I don't get what everyone is saying about the landing being so smooth. When Clark and Lana are shown at the top of the peak, Clark is just gently putting Lana down. So, again, the landing was never shown.

Jump.

And in regards to the interview with Tom Welling talking about flying, like opera ghost said, he was talking about how flying would pretty much end the show because it would bring them into the realm of superman. That website took bits and pieces from another interview and just wrote an article about it.

[cakreel]

"Leap a building in a single bound..."

I have no problem with JUMP. Clark will fly in the final episode.

[Sharingan]

It's funny how you guys keep raising up the question of whether clark super jumps or flies...

let me put it this way. IF it was FLYING... there wouldn't even be this thread...because it would be so clear that it's flying that the threads would be called something like "OMFG HE FINALLY FLEW" instead of "jump or fly"

[beefywellingtom]

maybe we're so desperate to see him finally fly that we can't accept that he didn't really do it. LOL

[Naomi]

Jump

If it was flying, he could have twirled Lana in the air or something...

[Hendo]

Originally posted by opera_ghost
he was speaking about the fact that the show started with a 'no flight, no tights' policy. And how he agreed with it... that this story isn't about superman.. it's about Clark Kent as a boy in smallville.. and flying to him.. is moving into the realm of superman.

I read that same interview.. he was talking about how he'd prefer NOT to fly before the finale of the series.

Read it again and pay closer attention to what Tom says. They're talking about the 100th episode and Welling says...


The big news for fans is that Kent finally gets his wings: Superman can fly. "For me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman," says Welling.


"flying then" as in Reckoning

if he was talking about flying in general (or ever for that matter) he wouldn't have used the word then. That's because they weren't talking about the series as a whole. They were talking about Reckoning.


oh yea any one more major thing from that interview... the caption under the picture which I havne't noticed untill now.


Smallville takes off, as Clark Kent/Superman, played by Tom Welling, learns to fly.

if he didn't fly in Reckoning, Welling would have corrected their false statements associated with the interview. You're seriously fooling yourself if you think he's gonna sit in an interview and go "it's ok, I didn't fly but you can put that I did in your article about the 100th episode"

[KEakaCK]

I really think it's a jump...Looking back at all the other episodes, all of Clark's jump were fast moving sequence so all you saw was the shadowing effect of Clark jumping. In this particular scene, it was necessary to see both of their faces as Clark was jumping with Lana in his arms so the jumping sequence was slowed odwn to their faces can be seen. I've been watching over and over, and it just doesn't look like a flying sequence at all to me.

[kal-odell]

I don't think I ever saw Superman taking Lois out on a "romantic" jump. That was a "romantic" flight.

[KEakaCK]

Originally posted by kal-odell
I don't think I ever saw Superman taking Lois out on a "romantic" jump. That was a "romantic" flight.


No, Superman never did take Lois out on a "romantic" jump like Clark did with Lana. However, Superman did take Lois on a very romantic flight through the clouds under the moonlight. To me, that's more romantic :).

[Fernandaflima]

Came on he already jump more elevated than this in smallville... so he just jump for me... yeah he already fly also in smallville but just in Crusade

[scoobycookies]

I think it was a jump. If he flew, he would have flown all around the inside of the fortress, not just up. And I think they'd make a bigger deal of it.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by KEakaCK
No, Superman never did take Lois out on a "romantic" jump like Clark did with Lana. However, Superman did take Lois on a very romantic flight through the clouds under the moonlight. To me, that's more romantic :).

i would agree up until the point when her hand slipped out and she started to plummet back to the ground, LOL.

[Superboy2]

Super jump. If TPTB wanted to leave it open ended, it would have shoed in a different way. He didn't fly, we would know it.

[RichL73]

You guys are making this more than it is... A Jump!! Besides Clark hasn't learned that he can fly yet

[gloria]

yea...this is getting boring am unsubscribing to this thread :p

he jumped he flew...JEEZ..get over it

like some people have said in this thread many times if he flew we would know it!

[Jellie]

EXACTLY

We dont know it so that = jump. Cant get fairer than that

[beefywellingtom]

Originally posted by RichL73
You guys are making this more than it is... A Jump!! Besides Clark hasn't learned that he can fly yet

Actually Clark learned LAST SEASON he can fly.

[Jellie]

No that was clarks twin brother kalel ;)

[gloria]

ACTUALLY....thats was kal-el...not clark

DAMN you alan :lol:

[neo_nate]

LOL, I remember when Clark could barely jump from that one building over to the daily planet in the episode Insurgance, that was only like 100-200 yards or so.

[beefywellingtom]

Originally posted by gloria
ACTUALLY....thats was kal-el...not clark

DAMN you alan :lol:

If you remember when Clark came back to himself he told his parents "no Kal-El can fly. Clark Kent is still Earthbound". So he knows he has the ability he just hasn't quite figured out how to work it yet I guess.

[Chowser]

you got it all wrong,

for you Halo 2 fans, you'll know what I'm talking about.


Clark was SUPER BOUNCING to the top of the map!



:p


i voted jump

[DARKRAGE]

it was a flying jump

[Jellie]

a flying jump :lol:

talk about sitting on the fence

[gloria]

:rotfl: :rotfl:


Originally posted by beefywellingtom
If you remember when Clark came back to himself he told his parents "no Kal-El can fly. Clark Kent is still Earthbound". So he knows he has the ability he just hasn't quite figured out how to work it yet I guess.

yea he doesnt know how to fly.. exactly :p

but saying that....back to the S2 when clark said to pa kent that he felt that he was flying in the tornado...ummm

and back to S1 when clark was hovering above his bed...ummm

[DARKRAGE]

Originally posted by Jellie
a flying jump :lol:

talk about sitting on the fence

dude I love the fence but he flew and jumped at the same time lol

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by gloria
Yea he doesnt know how to fly.. exactly :p

but saying that....back to the S2 when clark said to pa kent that he felt that he was flying in the tornado...ummm

and back to S1 when clark was hovering above his bed...ummm
And back to Rosetta when he said he was sleep walking out to Route 8, but he didn't think much walking was involved.

I think he can fly, but he doesn't know how to fly, if that makes sense. To me, the scene in Reckoning looked too gentle to be a jump. Don't know what it was -- floating/flying? :rolleyes:

I think TPTB would make more of a big deal if it were real flight.

[beefywellingtom]

OKAY OKAY.. you've all convinced this Flight voter that it was a JUMP. You're right that if he was actually FLYING they would have made a big deal out of it.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by gloria
:rotfl: :rotfl:



yea he doesnt know how to fly.. exactly :p

but saying that....back to the S2 when clark said to pa kent that he felt that he was flying in the tornado...ummm

and back to S1 when clark was hovering above his bed...ummm

i'm sure if we could survive inside a F5 tornado with winds reaching 300 MPH, we too would feel like we were flying. :p

[BoguszX]

Im just glad jumped is winning...
BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE DID!

[Nerial]

I can't tell. I'm so confused.

When I first saw it, I thought it was flight because he didn't seem to really bend his knees or anything. He just stares up and then takes off.

But, that's just me.

[optinox]

I think Clark did a super jump BUT I also think that subconciously he knew he can control himself in mid air, basically fly which caused him to have smooth landing, but the smooth landing was not voluntarily, just happened due to what his subconcious already knows, a good example is an ep in season 1, when Clark is sleeping, and is floating n mid air then falls to the bed and breaks it, he was asleep, but subconciously thinking of flying/floating but when he woke, lost concentration with his subconcious he fell to the bed.

Plus, Clark has been told he can fly by Jor-El, also by Kara who Jor-el had luring Clark to come to him, she told and showed Clark by floating with him in mid air. Also when he came back as Kal-El he had all his powers, so subconciously he knows/believes he can fly, but conciously he's still developing his skills, and his acceptence, and beliefs in his abilities.

I've always believed that the reason why some of clarks powers gradual increased or took some time to master was simply because he was brought up as a human and not as krptonian. Due to his lack of kryptonian knowledge and the information he learns from Jor-El that is what mainly allows him to know what powers he posseses. But some of his powers he learned naturally like his strenght, and probably speed, but others took time to develope.

[zeo]

after rewatching the scene 10 times I can certainly say he did a super jump


both his legs were bent while still carrying lana in the air. if he was flying with her why would his legs still be bent during flying( especially when he's over 30 feet from the ground..

[SamBanksJLA]

HE FLEW!

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
HE FLEW!

say it ain't so sam. lol. :p

[LanaandPete]

IT WAS A JUMP

He did it in Hidden, you know and in Lucy and Insurgence. The way he jumped in this ep is the same as Hidden. Only difference is Lana was in his arms.

[SamBanksJLA]

"say it ain't so sam. lol."


I'm convinced her flew!

[jonpetersbites]

I vote for a jump, but with some definitely flight-like abilities. In the tornado, Clark was aided by the lift inside the funnel and could definitely will himself to where he needed to go. He simply lacks the power to generate lift, which is different from having super-strong leg muscles to generate jumping power. I think it's safe to say from the tornado experience that he has some ability to create thrust in the direction he needs to go. His jump was perfectly timed to hit its apex at the top of the cliff, and so his willpower handled getting him a safe landing.

[slave2moonlight]

Clark has been learning to fly for a while now. He still doesn't know how, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. Why think that he will instantly start flying by flying all over the place? This isn't "Greatest American Hero." He flew that one time as Kal-El, he has done several super-jumps, which would eventually lead to flight, and they did just that when he went after the missile earlier this season. In that episode he jumped, but then it became flight as he forced himself to catch up to the missile. Showing him super-jump, even with Lana in his arms, wouldn't be very interesting for the 100th episode. He's been spending time with Jor-El in the Fortress. He should be getting his wings already. It doesn't mean he's capable of flying all over the place, and I don't think his first steps of flying would be haphazard, wobbly flight. I doubt he'd master flying in a single episode, but to size-up a distance, and take a very short flight the way he would approach a jump, that would be a reasonable early, transitional step. I say he FLEW. He approached it like a jump, and we can assume he's been practicing that VERY jump to that VERY ledge in the fortress for a while now. It was one of out 100th episode surprises, but many just don't seem to want to accept it. Was it a controlled jump? In a way, but it was controlled by his gravity defying powers to make it too slow and graceful to be a pure jump, which equals flight. It was flight that looked like a jump because he approached it like a jump, because that is one of his first steps in flying. Think about when you were a kid and wanted to fly like Superman, with a towel tied around your neck. Didn't you always try to take off by jumping? What Clark did in the 100th episode he approached like a jump, but it was just way too graceful. I believe he had been practicing it for a while, and he decided to show off with it a little for Lana, proud of what he had learned.

FLIGHT.

[scoobycookies]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
Why think that he will instantly start flying by flying all over the place?

He would not need to be flying all around. All the writers would have to do is show Clark fly horizontally. It doesn't have to be a long distance. If they wanted to show he is not well-practiced in it, all they would have to do is show him stumbling/weaving in flight or falling on his butt. As long as he flies in a horizontal position in a fairly straight line from point A to point B across the FOS, that would clearly indicate flight. With only the upward motion/positioning in "reckoning", that indicates Clark did a superjump.

And the number one reason why it's a superjump is that when Clark flies, the writers are not going to make it ambiguous. Why in the world would they make it ambiguous? The writers will want you to know when he flies. They will not hide it from the fans. When Clark flies, it will be very obvious (horizontal positioning). So yes what we saw in Reckoning is only a superjump.

[slave2moonlight]

Many of us didn't find it ambiguous at all, but as for why they would make it ambiguous, that's simple. They gave themselves a "No flight, no tights" rule, and I believe they are regretting it. Still, I don't think that's what happened here. It wasn't really ambiguous, it was just a "baby step," and a fine introduction to Clark's flying.

Anyway, Superman can fly vertically as well as horizontally, so vertical doesn't equal jumping, and I explained before why this sort of early flight made sense. His "baby steps" of flight would most likely "evolve" from his super jumps, and they have. However, it's also important to note that Superman's ability to fly comes from his ability to defy gravity. He doesn't have to take off horizontally/diagonally, like an airplane. It makes sense that he would go straight up in his early attempts; levitate, like he did over his bed.

The point is, having a controlled flight pattern is not going to happen in the very beginning. He chose a simple, jump-like levitate-and-land for his first attempts, which is logical. It makes sense, it didn't look like a jump at all, yet it wasn't "true flight" in the sense that he didn't go "flying around." Yes, if and when that happens on the show, I'm sure they'll make a big deal out of it as his first "official" flight, but this was a baby step, and it WAS flight. There's nothing surprising about this being the first time we see him fly, because it was the 100th episode, so it WAS a big deal flight intro, yet it wasn't MUCH, and we can assume that that is all he has learned to do so far (with control). None of it seemed ambiguous to me, and a lot of other people didn't find it ambiguous either; though they are on both sides of the fence, which seems ridiculous from either side.

Again, flight doesn't HAVE to be horizontal, and vertical doesn't automatically equal a jump. Heck, Superman has been known to just hover! And how do you define diagonal movement? Those guidelines are too strict.

FLIGHT

[SamBanksJLA]

HE FLEW! It's not a big deal that he did. I just find it frustrating that so many people are saying he jumped.
Do you really think that he would take the chance of JUMPING up so high with Lana in his arms. I don't. What if he didn't jump high enough? There may have been something bad happen, and I don't think he would put Lana in that danger.

He flew people. That 'no flight' rule went out of the window A LONG time ago!

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
HE FLEW! It's not a big deal that he did. I just find it frustrating that so many people are saying he jumped.
Do you really think that he would take the chance of JUMPING up so high with Lana in his arms. I don't. What if he didn't jump high enough? There may have been something bad happen, and I don't think he would put Lana in that danger.

He flew people. That 'no flight' rule went out of the window A LONG time ago!

sam, flight is his greatest ability. when he gains that ability, the series will end as he will then be superman.

[SamBanksJLA]

That may just be the extent of his flying abilities currently. I'm not saying he can fly around the world. But I think he can pull of a controlled 60 feet flight pattern.

[Harmon_7]

Vote for jump. When I seen he was going up with Lana I instantly thought of the superjump onto the nuclear missle.

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Harmon_7
Vote for jump. When I seen he was going up with Lana I instantly thought of the superjump onto the nuclear missle.

Even that involved flight after a certain height.


Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
That may just be the extent of his flying abilities currently. I'm not saying he can fly around the world. But I think he can pull of a controlled 60 feet flight pattern.

Yes, he has to start small. They can't make an impressive "Clark learns to fly" episode with his "baby steps." Of course they'll make a big deal of it when he does some serious flying for the first time. Anywho, I don't know why people are so against this as an introduction to flight. It wasn't major and it WAS the 100th episode. I wouldn't rely TOO much on them giving him a full episode about learning to fly. I'm not sure the creators are all that keen on showing him flying. I think the possible cheeze factor makes them nervous. Even the first big controlled flight will possibly be a small part of a larger episode.

[SamBanksJLA]

I think they just wanted to throw something a little more special into the 100th ep. And giving us a little glimps of the 'real Clark' flying was a great touch.

Or maybe CK can just fly at the FOS right now.

And people always harp on him jumping up to the missle. Well I have a question for all of you people who think he jumped up there. How in the Hell did he get down? Just fall to the Earth from space? Don't you think that would have caused a hole, or something?

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I think they just wanted to throw something a little more special into the 100th ep. And giving us a little glimps of the 'real Clark' flying was a great touch.

Or maybe CK can just fly at the FOS right now.

And people always harp on him jumping up to the missle. Well I have a question for all of you people who think he jumped up there. How in the Hell did he get down? Just fall to the Earth from space? Don't you think that would have caused a hole, or something?

sam, he crash landed back to earth. you could hear him land from where chloe was in the bunker at the bottom of the silo. and that was deep enough to protect her from the nuclear blast.

if he had flight ability (he actually does but it was repressed when the exorcised Kal) he would have landed a little more gracefully.

[SamBanksJLA]

I don't remember that part I guess.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I don't remember that part I guess.

they never showed him land. the scene was on chloe in the bunker and then you heard a thud. considering how far beneath the ground she was, he hit pretty hard.

[SamBanksJLA]

Yeah, I knew they didn't show it, I just didn't remember the thud part when Chloe was underground.

[Harmon_7]

I have actually wondered how he got down myself. lol I missed the landing too I'll have to look. I'll probably laugh my butt off if theres a loud thud. :p

I don't have an opinion on rather he can fly or not. We all know he can I just figured if he remembered how he'd be doing it instead of wearing out shoes.

[gloria]

i thought the loud thud in hidden was the missle expolding... :\

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by gloria
i thought the loud thud in hidden was the missle expolding... :\

clark chucked the warhead into space. as far down as chloe was, she wouldn't hear that. hey, i could be wrong but i feel somewhat confident on that. :eek:

[gloria]

yea...maybe your right... :lol: :o

[Harmon_7]

Yeah lol, your probably right.

[scoobycookies]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
Anyway, Superman can fly vertically as well as horizontally, so vertical doesn't equal jumping
That's my point, that's where the ambiguity lies, which you yourself admit to. A vertical flight can be taken as jumping. When Clark flies, the writers would want you to know he flew and therefore would choose to show him flying horizontally at some point in the flight like they did with Kal-el.

He doesn't have to take off horizontally/diagonally, like an airplane. It makes sense that he would go straight up in his early attempts; levitate, like he did over his bed.
I didn't say he had to take off in a horizontal position. Once he's up in the air, flying in a fairly straight line across (not up) from point A to point B would be enough to show that he flies. The writers are not going to hide his flying in a vertical flight. They will want you to know it happened.

So yes I say it was a SUPERJUMP in this ep.

[goldylocks_k]

I think it was a superjump. It's too soon for him to start flying.

[Timester]

People are assuming that gravity control is flying. That's wrong. Flying is the denial of the grativy. We never saw Clark stopping in middle air, we saw a little gliding down landing, like a parachute.

[beefywellingtom]

I dont think it's too soon for him to start flying but the landing wasn't quite clear. I thought it was smooth but once I rewatched it (over and over and over and over and over) the landing is murky. Purposefully I'm sure.

[viiper]

Since as Kal-El he has the ability to fly, his physiology allows his body to remember how to safely land, so I beleive he can adjust gravity for a smooth "landing" although it may look like flight, it is not. Space Shuttles do not enter "flight" until they are horizontally in control.

[HalJordan4184]

I don't understand the contention he flew back to earth after the missle either. Why is it so hard to believe an invulnerable superstrong alien could survive reentry into the atmosphere, and a plummet of a few miles.

Why is it so hard to believe a superstrong kid, can jump really high. Why is it, everytime the man jumps, people think he's flying. I understand people want him to fly. It'd be cool. But come on, honestly, is it gonna be a three second clip, in an episode that makes it so hard to make a case for it, that you can't prove it no matter how you try. Not one person has offered credible evidence how this was flight. Nothing beyond conjecture and wishful thinking has really come up. Al Gough and Miles Millar could come on here and say it was a jump, and people would argue with them. I have a feeling this is never going to be resolved.

[randy23]

For me, Clark displayed the feat of flying. Most of the instances where he jumped (considerable distances) was in the midst of inordinate speed - preceded with a running start. If you can recall, Lana was able to glance back and forth at Clark in a facile manner and had unhindered breathing. His acumen of landing precisely according to his will (as I saw it) is contradicatory to some of his less flattering perfomances when landing using a "super jump."

[HalJordan4184]

but that can all be explained away by lana's simple comment, you've practiced this before, after he lands, and he just grins at her sheepishly.

[randy23]

I think her exact words were:"this isn't the first time you've done this," or something to that effect. It doesn't redress the aforementioned statement.

[lyric96]

Clark was moonwalking lol :rotfl: :lol:

[beefywellingtom]

Originally posted by lyric96
Clark was moonwalking lol :rotfl: :lol:

:lol: :eek: :rotfl:

Tune in next week when Clark breakdances.

[AshyLarry]

Originally posted by God-Man
I want to believe he flew. Then again, I also want to believe that the 2nd half of the episode never happened.

LOL. That is true, I wish the second half of "Reckoning" never took place. I think what he did at the FOS was nearer to what Jor-El did in "Relic", whatever that was, flight or hovering.

[Crichton]

I figure that he at least partially flew. A jump of that height would have required enough of a push-off to snap Lana's neck like a twig :) Instead, it was a smooth ride the whole way.

[Ares]

jump

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by scoobycookies
That's my point, that's where the ambiguity lies, which you yourself admit to. A vertical flight can be taken as jumping. When Clark flies, the writers would want you to know he flew and therefore would choose to show him flying horizontally at some point in the flight like they did with Kal-el.

I didn't say he had to take off in a horizontal position. Once he's up in the air, flying in a fairly straight line across (not up) from point A to point B would be enough to show that he flies. The writers are not going to hide his flying in a vertical flight. They will want you to know it happened.

So yes I say it was a SUPERJUMP in this ep.

Uh, I don't actually admit to that. The reason I don't feel it was ambiguous is because, as I remember it, it didn't look like a jump at all. It seemed TOO graceful, even for Superman, to be a pure jump. And, I'm still not SURE the writers would want to make a BIG deal about Clark's early steps of flying, as I said before many times. They will make it a big deal when he does some GOOD flying, I'm sure, but his first steps, like what we saw the other night, wouldn't be that exciting if he wasn't showing off for someone or something, which is what they did.

The problem is, people can't accept that this was flight because they believe it rules out a big "first flight" episode. I say it doesn't. I'm not sure they will do a big "first flight" episode, but this was such a "baby step" flight that it wouldn't count as that.


Originally posted by Timester
People are assuming that gravity control is flying. That's wrong. Flying is the denial of the grativy. We never saw Clark stopping in middle air, we saw a little gliding down landing, like a parachute.

But without a parachute, a gliding down landing indicates downward flight. The connection your statement misses is that "denial of gravity" is the way Clark "controls" gravity. In other words, that's the way he flies.

[karin]

lol wow guys i cant believe 55% of ppl saying he jumped !!!!!!

It was to me INCREDIBLY obvious he didnt jump... the way he took off and landed , the smoothness of the entire scene.. guys come on , unless you tell me there is almost no gravity in that place ... he FLEW !

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
I don't understand the contention he flew back to earth after the missle either. Why is it so hard to believe an invulnerable superstrong alien could survive reentry into the atmosphere, and a plummet of a few miles.

Why is it so hard to believe a superstrong kid, can jump really high. Why is it, everytime the man jumps, people think he's flying. I understand people want him to fly. It'd be cool. But come on, honestly, is it gonna be a three second clip, in an episode that makes it so hard to make a case for it, that you can't prove it no matter how you try. Not one person has offered credible evidence how this was flight. Nothing beyond conjecture and wishful thinking has really come up. Al Gough and Miles Millar could come on here and say it was a jump, and people would argue with them. I have a feeling this is never going to be resolved.

It was visually evident that it was not a mere jump, but true, the only way to convince anyone one way or the other is to get word from the creators, but the fact is that they are not totally trustworthy. They have a talent for double-talk, so viewers almost have no choice but to draw their own conclusions.

What I don't understand is why it is so hard for the pro-jump side to consider this episode, the 100th episode, an acceptable intro to Clark's flying ability. There seems to be an assumption, a very incorrect one, that the very short attempt at flight he did with Lana is proof that he has mastered flight. It doesn't mean that at all. There is still the opportunity for that big flight episode (that might never happen). He knows the ability to fly is within him because of his memories from flying as Kal-El. He's not going to have a sudden revelation that he can fly episode. He has been trying to recapture that ability since that first flight. This episode was the intro to his flying ability. What's the big problem? I don't feel it was ambiguous, but the similarities to a jump are due to the fact that he has been using his jumping skills to recapture that flight ability he once experienced.

No one is saying they don't believe he can jump really high, but this time it didn't look like a pure jump. There was clearly flight involved, even during the ascent, not JUST the descent, which, if it looked even slightly wobbly, was understandably so. In fact, if he DID have a wobbly landing, that's even more evidence that it was flight, because he shouldn't have had any trouble in a jump landing that short at this point. Which IS another point. Why would the creators expect us to be amazed that he did a little jump like that? We've seen much more impressive stuff by now. Just because he was "showing" Lana? I don't think so. They were trying to show us cool new stuff, like with his making the diamond ring.

And, that "jump" to catch the missile was a little too high, even for Supes. Though, it has already been "proven," somewhat, that he fell, due to the thud. He MUST have left a crater though. Did he leave the Earth's atmosphere/gravitational pull that time? If he did, he'd have to have flown back in the direction of Earth also, before allowing himself to fall, a fall that was probably controlled (thanks to his flight abilities) enough to land somewhat near Smallville. Not that he couldn't have ran home from wherever he landed, but he looked pretty beat.

In my opinion, the bottom line is that we've been seeing Clark "learning to fly" ever since he would wake up hovering over his bed, and he is still learning. Perhaps the writers don't think so little of us that we need one special episode that takes him from discovering the ability to mastering it, of which everyone would complain about the cheese factor later.

I think one of the main problems here is a language dispute, though. Everyone seems to have a different definition of "flight," "first flight," etc..., and their only other option seems to be "jump," because it's a safe choice.


Originally posted by HalJordan4184
but that can all be explained away by lana's simple comment, you've practiced this before, after he lands, and he just grins at her sheepishly.

(whether this quote is word for word or not) This sounds exactly like an aside to us, to let us know that he's been practicing to hone his gravity defying skills over at the fortress of solitude. In fact, the way he chose that particular ledge and focused on it the way he did only seems like further proof that this was a first flight he'd been practicing for a long time in private.

[HalJordan4184]

Your entire argument, is based solely on what you wanted to happen. Clark has not been trying to "recapture" the flying experience since season fours openers. He's openly stated he doesn't want to fly, and is afraid of it. I don't understand the, it was smooth, therefore it's flight argument. A basic, high school understandig of gravity tells us, it's not gonna be a wobbly, horrid, discombobulated mess if it's a jump. It would be a smooth parabolic curve, due to gravity, and forward momentum, and the earth's rotation. But people keep citing these, as indisputable proof of flight. THere hasn't been one shred of evidence it's been flight, other than people saying there is no way it was a jump. AND THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE. That's an opinion. All evidence, points to a jump. The landing was too smooth, isn't evidence of flight. It's not like he overshot the ledgy by five thousand feet, and then glided down over a huge period of time. He jumped from the ground to the ledge. At the rate he was going, his landing was going to smooth. He had virtually no downward momentum at the moment.

And, on the bomb front, to leave the Earth's gravitational pull, he'd have to be more than halfway to the moon, when the moons pull would be stronger than the Earth's. An ICBM, only exits the Earth's atmosphere, by a few miles, and follows an orbital pattern til getting where it's going. Being that the missle was about one minute into it's flight, and Clark was thrown off of it back towards the Earth, and the fact, a nuclear bomb went off, which carries a considerable shockwave, even at that height, and in the limited atmosphere up there, it's very very conceivable he just fell. THere's no evidence of flight there either. Other than people seem to think you can't fall down, only down, and 8000 miles to the left.

[slave2moonlight]

I've got to disagree with you here. You're saying all evidence points to a jump without giving the evidence yourself. I say it's flight because it was visually obvious. If that's not evidence enough, well... True, I gave a lot of assumption about his practicing flight based on the facts at hand, but they were all pretty logical assumptions (especially considering the comment Lana made, which wouldn't hold much meaning for the viewers if it was just a comment about his jumping). If you want to call that "opinion," it's up to you. People are citing the smoothness and gracefulness of this event as proof of flight because it wasn't as quick and bounding as a jump. It simply wasn't. No ones disputing the arc or angle. Some have even stated that his landing is visually a bit wobbly, and I've pointed out that that is really MORE proof that it was an early attempt at flight. You back me up on this by saying a jump wouldn't have a wobbly landing.

As for the bomb, my comment about his return to Earth was more of a question, as you'll see if you go back and read it. I didn't recall if he had left the Earth's atmosphere or not. My point that that episode suggested flight was more about him catching the thing.

[randy23]

Also, there is no evidence to suggest a jump. Just because it dispalyed attributes that resembled one doesn't actually give conclusive evidence - given Clark's abilities. In previous cases, Clark possessed no control over his faculties when exhibiting a super jump. He was at the mercy of gravity. His countenance showed a blank realization as to where he was going to end up. His face in "Reckoning" showed something different. My point is: if this was some sort of deftly feat by Clark, why use it now? How about past occurrences dealing with jumps? Why did he look suprised everytime he landed as though it was some sort of luck.

[clois1938]

Looked like a Superjump to me! Leaps tall buildings in a single bound! Clark didn't pause or change directions. Just one smooth leap, well as much as he could with Lana in his arms :lol:

[Summers]

Looks like his regular superjump. He doesn't squat too far down like he did in "Crusade".
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2047/045vz9sm.gif

[randy23]

That actually corroborates my claim; has there been a time when Clark has not used his super speed to jump? The answer would be - no. He has always used super speed to jump. In this case, he merely bends his knees. Even in Adventures of Superman, you have seen Dean Cain bend his knees when commencing flight (as to not look awkward).

EDIT: When I referred to jump in this post, what I meant is: Clark's ability to jump great distances using speed.

[TomIsMyHomeboy]

i think that he jsut flew...

[DukandHide]

This is what Tom Welling told a Reporter about the 100th show so everyone can drop the did he fly or jump

According to Tom Welling, the 27-year-old New York native at the heart of this series. Welling, who plays Superman-in-training Clark Kent, told TV critics last week that the series is about to take off like a speeding bullet. "We're finally going to get to what I believe the audience wanted the show to be," said Welling. "And everything up to this point has just been building."
The big news for fans is that Kent finally gets his wings: Superman can fly. "For me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman," says Welling. It doesn't necessarily mean he's about to put on the cape and tights, he adds. It just kicks things up a notch

[kostaki00]

Well...i read an interview with Tom Welling...
He flew

[v3rlon]

While the powers that be would have us believe it was a jump, such a move would have snapped Lana's neck---ergo it must have been flying even if Clark doesn't know it.


Also, leap tall buildings in a single bound vs. flight.

Originally, supes couldn't fly. He could jump "about an 8th of a mile." This grew to jumping all the way around the world, and eventually became flight.

Originally, supes was just a highly evolved human...strength of 10 men, jump and eighth of a mile, and nothing short of a bursting shell could pierce his skin....he sort of grew over time into what we know know....

He has also had several powers come and go, including super smarts, super muscel control that lets him look like many other people, and things like that.

[TMLS]

I'd go with the theory that it was a jump in Clark's mind, but obviously controlled through his flying abilities - it was too controlled as others have said.

[boogalou86]

When TPTB have Clark fly..there won't be a discussion about was it a jump or flight. I mean it will be so obvious we won't need a discussion about it...until then he's just jumping. IMHO

[PikeyUK]

I'd say fly personally, as was said before it would have killed Lana if he plain jumped to that height. It was to smooth and the landing was to smoth to have just been a jump.

Maybe Clark's slowly learning to fly, he knows he can control a jump to perfection but hasn't yet tried to change direction when doing it, YET!

[HalJordan4184]

Superspeed is not required for a jump. The boy is, say it with me now, superstrong. That means his muscles, are way more dense, and powerful than ours. For him to leap a tall building, is akin to someone like Shaq dunking. It's not much of an effort when you can bench an aircraft carrier. That's like saying because he hasn't been upside down when using heat vision, he can't use it upside down.

Also, by going along with Lana's you've obviosuly done this bfore comment, I wouldn't doubt Clark's explored the fortress, including it's upper areas. And taking Lana up there with him, would be like you or I, adding a piece of paper to our total weight, and expecting it to throw us so far off course it wouldn't be funny.

[Summers]

Originally posted by kostaki00
Well...i read an interview with Tom Welling...
He flew

This is also the guy that said the person who dies was never hinted. Hello, JK was hinted since S3 :lol:.

[SOnMyChest]

Heat Vision - Episode Heat.
Xray Vision - Episode Xray.
Super Hearing - Episode Whisper.

People do you honestly think the would sell us short on the most famous power that superman has. they dedicated other episodes strictly to the development of new power. and they are gonna give us flight as a "either or", "What if", :was it or was it not". That would be the biggest waste. Flight requires a whole episode. IT DEMANDS IT. this is not something they would cheap out on. Do you not get it?? TPTB are playing with us. they know they are gonna introduce it, they are just holding back and making us excited with teasers.

Soft landings. big deal....he is clark kent....i think he is able soften his landing. and also considering the angle that he went into the cliff at. it doesnt look like he was coming in for a hard landing. he matched it up so it was perfect.

BOTTOM LINE. Flight is to important to be having questions about. when it happens you will know!

[knight150]

I agree with the jump theory. I dont think they woudl sell us short on the flying tying cause its a real big deal. I do think that they wanted to mess with us alot and they got what they wanted. They really got us good cause its so hard to tell wether he jumped or fley cause of the middle sequence of the jump, cause it looks like they slow it down a little and they never do, and most people believe that its impossibe to jump that high at such a slow rate fo speed, but i guess anything possible in the superman relm. We dont know what its like to be able to do things like that so we aply our physics theories to things that clark can do and it just puzzles us more.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=49851#
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=49851#

[supes-for-all-times]

'Smallville' Superman gets his wings

By BILL BRIOUX - Toronto Sun





Smallville takes off, as Clark Kent/Superman, played by Tom Welling, learns to fly.
PASADENA, CA -- Look, up in the sky: Smallville's Clark Kent is about to take off.

Tonight (at 8 p.m. on superstation WGN and Monday Feb. 6 at 9 p.m. on A-Channel) marks the 100th episode of the WB drama, sometimes criticized for being too much of a teen soap and not enough of the kind of action adventure series Superman fans crave.

All that changes tonight, according to Tom Welling, the 27-year-old New York native at the heart of this series. Welling, who plays Superman-in-training Clark Kent, told TV critics last week that the series is about to take off like a speeding bullet. "We're finally going to get to what I believe the audience wanted the show to be," said Welling. "And everything up to this point has just been building."

The big news for fans is that Kent finally gets his wings: Superman can fly. "For me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman," says Welling. It doesn't necessarily mean he's about to put on the cape and tights, he adds. It just kicks things up a notch, especially the rivalry between Kent and Lex Luther (Michael Rosenbaum). "It's going to start to explode a lot faster than it has in the past," he says.

Kent's growth, however, comes at a price. On tonight's show, one of the major characters dies.

Most Smallville viewers and Superman fans can probably guess whose number is up. (Check tomorrow's Sun for a follow-up interview with the departing cast member.) Welling says he didn't know for sure until he read the script, but had narrowed it down to one of two people. "It was very bittersweet to see that person go," says Welling. "I think it was bittersweet for that person too."


The death comes as a complete surprise to every single character in the series, says Welling. "It's not something that Lex planned or that the audience may have known or have hints about. This is a complete surprise for everyone."

The death is very much linked to Kent's transformation as a superhero. It needed to happen for Kent to move forward and take the next step.

Welling, who has also appeared in both of the recent Cheaper By The Dozen movies, is also ready for the next step: Directing. "I think it was probably around the second episode we ever shot that I started thinking about it," he says. "I look forward to maybe having a little more of a hand in the shaping of at least one episode."

[slave2moonlight]

Thanks for posting the article, supes. It just seems that no matter how clear it is stated, or by whom, the "jumpers" won't accept it.

As I posted thoroughly (more than once, I believe), Clark isn't going to instantly know how to fly! He's got to perfect it gradually, especially since he was very nervous about heights. That's what we saw last week. This DOES NOT mean they CAN'T still have an episode devoted to a first, major flight. Why is that hard to grasp? That seems to be the big "hang up" for the jumpers. They just don't believe flight would be introduced like that. Well, that's the only feasable way it can be introduced. If Clark suddenly learned and perfected flight all in one episode, it'd be corny.

[HalJordan4184]

And the thing the "flyers" can't seem to accept, is it isn't conclusively a flight. No one has stated, that was the flight, right there. It's all conjecture. YOu can't prove it was flight, anymore than anyone else can prove it was a jump. Until Al/Miles come out, and say he can finally fly, I'm sticking with jump.

And yeah, flying will come gradually. But it's not like one day he'll be able to jump high. The one day he'll jump high and land softly. Then one day he'll jump high and just stop, then land softly. Then one day, he'll jump up, stop, then go up, then land softly, etc etc. He either can fly, or he can't. There isn't really a middle ground there to go with. Hovering, would be his ability to fly. Flying would definately be his ability to fly. An outside of the atnmosphere to the moon and back flight, would most definateyl be flying. But going 200 feet up in the air, when we all know he's perfectly capable of jumping that high to start with, is not conclusive proof of a flight.

ANd saying Lana would die if he did that, is not quite an argument here either. Lana should then be dead last week, when clark slammed into her at mach two to save ehr from the explosion.

[Zurvan]

Kryptonsite itself has a news article about this interview that Tom gave. We know it is the same article, because what the article above quotes from Tom and what the article on Kryptonsite quotes from Tom are identical. You can read it here: http://www.kryptonsite.com/welling06.htm

The Kryptonsite author makes no mention of Tom aluding to flying other than:


Tom says that a lot of people, including the driver on the way to the TCA's, ask him questions about when his Clark Kent is going to fly. "A lot of people, that's usually their first question. And to me, from the beginning, this show has always been about Clark before Superman. And for me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman."

"I find it much more interesting to concentrate on the development of the character and show you what happened in his life to make him become this Superman that we all know him to be," Tom continues. "What the audience, I think, wants to see is we're going to actually start seeing the Lx Luthor and Clark Kent rivalry. It's going to start to explode a lot faster than it has in the past."

Draw from this your own conclusions. It looks to me like Bill Brioux from the Toronto Sun read what he wanted into the interview and got it wrong. Tom in no way states he is going to fly in episode 100. Kryptonsite Admin's would most certainly consider it news worthy if he did.

He jumped.

[gloria]

Originally posted by Summers
Looks like his regular superjump. He doesn't squat too far down like he did in "Crusade".
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2047/045vz9sm.gif

wow...by looking at that it looks like he flew...now am confused :confused:

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
And the thing the "flyers" can't seem to accept, is it isn't conclusively a flight. No one has stated, that was the flight, right there. It's all conjecture. YOu can't prove it was flight, anymore than anyone else can prove it was a jump. Until Al/Miles come out, and say he can finally fly, I'm sticking with jump.

And yeah, flying will come gradually. But it's not like one day he'll be able to jump high. The one day he'll jump high and land softly. Then one day he'll jump high and just stop, then land softly. Then one day, he'll jump up, stop, then go up, then land softly, etc etc. He either can fly, or he can't. There isn't really a middle ground there to go with. Hovering, would be his ability to fly. Flying would definately be his ability to fly. An outside of the atnmosphere to the moon and back flight, would most definateyl be flying. But going 200 feet up in the air, when we all know he's perfectly capable of jumping that high to start with, is not conclusive proof of a flight.

ANd saying Lana would die if he did that, is not quite an argument here either. Lana should then be dead last week, when clark slammed into her at mach two to save ehr from the explosion.


No, you're grasping at air now. Tom Welling stated that the flight was in the 100th episode in the article posted above.

You contradict yourself by saying "yeah, flying will come gradually," and then saying it won't. Actually, it's a lot like you say it wouldn't be. The middle ground is his "learning to control" his gravity defiance. Just as Lana said, he'd been practicing. He's not going to wake up one day with a mastery of flight, but when he finally gets there, the flyers might get their precious "flying" episode.

The proof is in the article, it's in the way the so-called "jump" looked. It's in the way it was presented as something important in an episode that was supposed to deliver lots of new and important things.

I'm not touching the "Lana would be killed in a jump like that" idea though, because I have never used it. I don't really buy that one. People have frequently brought up Superman's ability to leap tall buildings, yadda, yadda, yadda, as a "why would he bother to fly that short distance" argument, but once he learns to fly, he doesn't seem to do much leaping in the movies. Once you've learned to fly, jumping is senseless, even for the short distances.

Anyway, when all is said and done, the article above SHOULD be conclusive for anyone.


Originally posted by Zurvan
Kryptonsite itself has a news article about this interview that Tom gave. We know it is the same article, because what the article above quotes from Tom and what the article on Kryptonsite quotes from Tom are identical. You can read it here: http://www.kryptonsite.com/welling06.htm

The Kryptonsite author makes no mention of Tom aluding to flying other than:



Draw from this your own conclusions. It looks to me like Bill Brioux from the Toronto Sun read what he wanted into the interview and got it wrong. Tom in no way states he is going to fly in episode 100. Kryptonsite Admin's would most certainly consider it news worthy if he did.

He jumped.

That gets into which source you believe is more trustworthy, which is a whole new argument altogether.

[Zurvan]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
That gets into which source you believe is more trustworthy, which is a whole new argument altogether.

Not really, because nowhere in the article does Tom actually state he will fly in the 100th episode. It is implied by the Toronto Sun, but he never actually quotes Tom saying it, meanwhile using the same quotes from the kryptonsite article that just happen to be about Flying in a press conference about the 100th episode. The burden of proof is on anyone who thinks Tom actually said he would fly in the 100th episode to show where he said it.

[Timester]

If it was a flight, AlMiles would be glowting all over the place. They are too egocentrical to miss an opportunity like that.

Article is wrong, like Zurvan explained. The reporter assumed that he would fly from Tom's words, no one said he would.


Originally posted by slave2moonlight
That gets into which source you believe is more trustworthy, which is a whole new argument altogether.

The source is our K-Site admin and owner, Craig.

[clois1938]

Originally posted by Zurvan
Kryptonsite itself has a news article about this interview that Tom gave. We know it is the same article, because what the article above quotes from Tom and what the article on Kryptonsite quotes from Tom are identical. You can read it here: http://www.kryptonsite.com/welling06.htm

Draw from this your own conclusions. It looks to me like Bill Brioux from the Toronto Sun read what he wanted into the interview and got it wrong. Tom in no way states he is going to fly in episode 100. Kryptonsite Admin's would most certainly consider it news worthy if he did.

He jumped.
This is correct. If you've read the Toronto Sun or Calgary Sun, etc... or stuff off the canoe.ca wire before, you'll notice that their entertainment news tends to have alot of errors because the writing is on the gossipy side ala magazines like InTouch and so you basically are getting soundbites from conferences or gleaned off someone else, not one-on-one interviews. This is a paper that has a Sunshine Girl after all. :rolleyes: And don't get me started on their album release schedule, which is invariably always wrong! Grrr

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Zurvan
Not really, because nowhere in the article does Tom actually state he will fly in the 100th episode. It is implied by the Toronto Sun, but he never actually quotes Tom saying it, meanwhile using the same quotes from the kryptonsite article that just happen to be about Flying in a press conference about the 100th episode. The burden of proof is on anyone who thinks Tom actually said he would fly in the 100th episode to show where he said it.

That would put the "burden of proof" on Mr. Brioux, since a newspaper should be a reliable source of information that is acceptable citation material. After reading the full article, however, I have to agree with you that it does not sound good for Mr. Brioux. If he really did just infer that on his own, it makes him out to be a pretty shoddy reporter, I must say. Not that I know the full dialogue that was said, which may not all have been quoted, or whether or not it was taken from the same conference. Celebrities do have a habit of recycling their responses.

Nevertheless, even without the article, which I agree is questionable, I feel a "burden of proof" doesn't even come into play due to what appeared to be obvious flight. My emphasis of the article was more in the hopes that it would settle things for those who said they would have to hear it from a Smallville insider's own mouth. As others here have stated, it looked so well controlled as to take it out of the realm of a jump and into that of flight. The proof was in the viewing. Both sides seem to feel that way. Because we KNOW the character has the ability to defy gravity, it is just as plausible an option, even if we haven't seen him do it before. Though, we have.


Originally posted by Timester
If it was a flight, AlMiles would be glowting all over the place. They are too egocentrical to miss an opportunity like that.

Article is wrong, like Zurvan explained. The reporter assumed that he would fly from Tom's words, no one said he would.



The source is our K-Site admin and owner, Craig.

Ha, that may well be, but I don't know Craig any better than the Sun reporter.

I think they would save their gloating for a more impressive flight, but that they realize it is something Clark would have to work up to. If they hyped up Clark's flying ability for an episode really highly, and everyone tuned in for it and just got the brief scene we got in the 100th ep, folks would be more ticked off than many are already. Yet if Clark just suddenly knows how to fly like an eagle, that's going to be disturbing too.


Originally posted by clois1938
This is correct. If you've read the Toronto Sun or Calgary Sun, etc... or stuff off the canoe.ca wire before, you'll notice that their entertainment news tends to have alot of errors because the writing is on the gossipy side ala magazines like InTouch and so you basically are getting soundbites from conferences or gleaned off someone else, not one-on-one interviews. This is a paper that has a Sunshine Girl after all. :rolleyes: And don't get me started on their album release schedule, which is invariably always wrong! Grrr

That's a sad state of journalism. :\

[Zurvan]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
That would put the "burden of proof" on Mr. Brioux, since a newspaper should be a reliable source of information that is acceptable citation material. After reading the full article, however, I have to agree with you that it does not sound good for Mr. Brioux. If he really did just infer that on his own, it makes him out to be a pretty shoddy reporter, I must say. Not that I know the full dialogue that was said, which may not all have been quoted, or whether or not it was taken from the same conference. Celebrities do have a habit of recycling their responses.

Nevertheless, even without the article, which I agree is questionable, I feel a "burden of proof" doesn't even come into play due to what appeared to be obvious flight. My emphasis of the article was more in the hopes that it would settle things for those who said they would have to hear it from a Smallville insider's own mouth. As others here have stated, it looked so well controlled as to take it out of the realm of a jump and into that of flight. The proof was in the viewing. Both sides seem to feel that way.

So we are back where we started before the Article was ever mentioned. IMO, he Jumped. IYO, he Flew. Fair enough, until someone from the actual show confirms or denies, we must agree to disagree.


Because we KNOW the character has the ability to defy gravity, it is just as plausible an option, even if we haven't seen him do it before. Though, we have.

One slight correction. We KNOW the body of Clark Kent has the ability to defy gravity. We also KNOW the character of Clark Kent has never conciously flown, and has expressed several times in the course of the show his fear of flying (and to a lesser extent heights). Nothing in Episode 100 discounts that fear, other than by showing he has overcome his fear of heights. We KNOW Kal-El had the ability to fly in Clark Kent's body while he inhabited it. We KNOW the character of Clark Kent, and Superman will eventually fully embrace flight. We KNOW the Producers have said Clark Kent will not fly in the course of this shows run, and they have not come out to deny that to this date, post episode 100. Everything else is speculation.

[snafu2dj]

Why would they have him "learn to fly" in a scene like that where the focus is him, Lana, and the secret being told. It would have brought an entirely new focus and aspect to the episode. His look was that of him doing something with confidence that he knew what he was doing. If he flew, he would have looked and acted different like when he received all of his other powers in the past. It doesn't matter what the interview says or advertises. If it's the truth that this is his flying episode,and he "got his wings", then we were totally jipped.

[randy23]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Superspeed is not required for a jump. The boy is, say it with me now, superstrong. That means his muscles, are way more dense, and powerful than ours. For him to leap a tall building, is akin to someone like Shaq dunking. It's not much of an effort when you can bench an aircraft carrier. That's like saying because he hasn't been upside down when using heat vision, he can't use it upside down.


In Smallville standards, Clark has never displayed any great jumping feat without extraordinary speed. If you can cite for me one piece of evidence then there would be a little validity to your argument.



Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Also, by going along with Lana's you've obviosuly done this bfore comment, I wouldn't doubt Clark's explored the fortress, including it's upper areas. And taking Lana up there with him, would be like you or I, adding a piece of paper to our total weight, and expecting it to throw us so far off course it wouldn't be funny.

:confused: Again, Clark has never been shown - in the context of Smallvile - to telegraph where he was landing when leaping, as seen in the past; he flared his arms and hands with no definite purpose or reasoning.

[snafu2dj]

What about when he went building to building or jumped into the twister?

[Zurvan]

Originally posted by randy23
In Smallville standards, Clark has never displayed any great jumping feat without extraordinary speed. If you can cite for me one piece of evidence then there would be a little validity to your argument.

In Smallville standards, Clark has never displayed any great flying feat without being possessed by another entity. If you can cite for me one piece of evidence then there would be a little validity to your argument.

Doesn't make it any more compelling when I say it either.

[randy23]

Originally posted by Zurvan
In Smallville standards, Clark has never displayed any great flying feat without being possessed by another entity. If you can cite for me one piece of evidence then there would be a little validity to your argument.

Doesn't make it any more compelling when I say it either.

Like you said, you can't disprove it either.

[supes-for-all-times]

This is from the article again. Welling says its flying.


For me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman," says Welling. It doesn't necessarily mean he's about to put on the cape and tights, he adds.


HE FLEW !!!!!. END OF STORY

[Zurvan]

Originally posted by supes-for-all-times
This is from the article again. Welling says its flying.


For me, flying then brings you into the realm of Superman," says Welling. It doesn't necessarily mean he's about to put on the cape and tights, he adds.


HE FLEW !!!!!. END OF STORY

Did you even read the article from Kryptonsite that has the quote in context? Guess you don't need to, since that's the end of the story. :rolleyes:

[randy23]

Originally posted by Zurvan

One slight correction. We KNOW the body of Clark Kent has the ability to defy gravity. We also KNOW the character of Clark Kent has never conciously flown, and has expressed several times in the course of the show his fear of flying (and to a lesser extent heights). Nothing in Episode 100 discounts that fear, other than by showing he has overcome his fear of heights. We KNOW Kal-El had the ability to fly in Clark Kent's body while he inhabited it. We KNOW the character of Clark Kent, and Superman will eventually fully embrace flight. We KNOW the Producers have said Clark Kent will not fly in the course of this shows run, and they have not come out to deny that to this date, post episode 100. Everything else is speculation.


That is kind of abstruse. If he overcame heights in Episode 100, what is the purpose of reiterating his fear of flying? It seems like you are invalidating your own contention. Clark has already consciously flown when he saved Lana in the twister - and has already expressed his sentiments to his recently departed father, only having apprehension to the ability until now, relatively speaking.

[abster25]

well i guess you could say it was a jump or he was flying havent complty made up my mind for now i am going with flying

[Zurvan]

Originally posted by randy23
That is kind of abstruse. If he overcame heights in Episode 100, what is the purpose of reiterating his fear of flying? It seems like you are invalidating your own contention. Clark has already consciously flown when he saved Lana in the twister - and has already expressed his sentiments to his recently departed father, only having apprehension to the ability until now, relatively speaking.

I never said he overcame his fear of heights in episode 100. I implied episode 100 can be used to show he overcame his fear of heights. Fear of Heights (Acrophobia) and Fear of Flying (Aviophobia or Aviatophobia) are two separate things.

Clark did not consciously fly in the twister. He consciously felt like he was moving in a direction he wished to move. He did not at any time know how he moved, or ever express that he did in fact move at all in some supernatural (beyond the normal scope of human ability) manner. That does not equate to Clark Kent flying.

[randy23]

Originally posted by Zurvan
I never said he overcame his fear of heights in episode 100. I implied episode 100 can be used to show he overcame his fear of heights. Fear of Heights (Acrophobia) and Fear of Flying (Aviophobia or Aviatophobia) are two separate things.

Clark did not consciously fly in the twister. He consciously felt like he was moving in a direction he wished to move. He did not at any time know how he moved, or ever express that he did in fact move at all in some supernatural (beyond the normal scope of human ability) manner. That does not equate to Clark Kent flying.

Nothing in Clark's dialogue (in Crusade) alluded to the repudiation of flying: http://www.twiztv.com/cgi-bin/smallville.cgi?episode=http://dmca.free.fr/scripts/smallville/season4/smallville-401.htm

Yes, indeed, he was not cognisant of flying but conscious to know he was moving unaided - the interpretation I am outlining.

[snafu2dj]

Originally posted by randy23
In Smallville standards, Clark has never displayed any great jumping feat without extraordinary speed. If you can cite for me one piece of evidence then there would be a little validity to your argument.




:confused: Again, Clark has never been shown - in the context of Smallvile - to telegraph where he was landing when leaping, as seen in the past; he flared his arms and hands with no definite purpose or reasoning.

Look at my current avatar. He just jumped up and flew, no super speed.

[randy23]

Originally posted by snafu2dj
Look at my current avatar. He just jumped up and flew, no super speed.

Sorry, but that is just asinine. That's flight not leaping.

[snafu2dj]

I thought he hasn't consciously flown. Or was this when he was "non Clark" or Kal-EL?

[Jaha117]

jump, there was arc

[Crispin Glover]

It is total b.s. if the creators say he jumped. That was flying and they know it! I'm satisfied.

[Blackairow]

If you rember the fleischer superman could not fly only jump far. if you compair it to the animated series the only difrences between flying and jumpig are: (1 willing yourself in a direction as oposed to gravity do the sterring. ie change in directin (2 how you land hard or soft. (3 how fast are you movieing. In season four premeir he initaly jumped then flew from there. In lucy he oviuly jumped. diffrence: in lucy he had no control over ware he landed and he had to be moving fast not to mention his landing was hard. I have rewatched that seen several times and it seem close. Unlike his usal jumps he clearly knows exactly were he is landing and the landing is soft unadid by speed. It is my opinion that it was a jump slightly aided by will power. had he gone any slower it would be flying (or huvering like s1 pilot or relic)

[Krytenkid]

Did he jump … yes; did he use the power of flight … also yes.

I feel that Clark is in denial about his ability to defy gravity; even when some of the things that he has done would require more than the ability to jump great distances.

A jump that would carry Lana and him up so high would require an acceleration that would have at least been uncomfortable to Lana. A leap augmented by an ability to overcome gravity would explain Lana’s head not snapping back, internal organs not being injured or losing consciousness due to a sudden change in inertia.

[Kryptonian being]

I think Clark can fly if he wants to, but he doesnt like to b/c he is scared of heights as he has mentioned in past episodes.

[MidgardDragon]

Upon rewatching the episode, I decided that it was a jump/leap. However, they definitely slowed it down, and made it much more controlled. I think they did this specifically to give us something special, a little "bend' in the rules for the 100th episode. Also, possibly, to hint at the fact that his leaps are becoming much more "flight"-like. I think they'll develop the leaps into flight eventually. They need something like that after or during Season 5, otherwise I have a feeling the ratings won't keep up their current status.

[Lambshank]

Guys, if you want to know if he has flown or not use your common sense.

It's not a matter of analysing how he moves in the air, how he lands, how high he jumps etc etc...

We all know that when he flys the creators will make it as dramatic as possible, they will do the old matrixy ground effects in slow motion and have him fly in a way which is obvious to everyone. There will be no need for polls, no debates, when he eventually flys EVERYONE will know!

[Crichton]

Originally posted by Blackairow
If you rember the fleischer superman could not fly only jump far. if you compair it to the animated series the only difrences between flying and jumpig are: (1 willing yourself in a direction as oposed to gravity do the sterring. ie change in directin (2 how you land hard or soft. (3 how fast are you movieing. In season four premeir he initaly jumped then flew from there. In lucy he oviuly jumped. diffrence: in lucy he had no control over ware he landed and he had to be moving fast not to mention his landing was hard. I have rewatched that seen several times and it seem close. Unlike his usal jumps he clearly knows exactly were he is landing and the landing is soft unadid by speed. It is my opinion that it was a jump slightly aided by will power. had he gone any slower it would be flying (or huvering like s1 pilot or relic)

He sort of flew in "Tempest" as well. He was already sucked into the air by the tornado, but he claimed to his dad afterwards that he felt he "willed himself" to move towards the car.

[Naman is 1#]

"Leaps tall buildings in a single bound". Does anybody remmember that old phrase? My theory is that he was tought how to super jump when he was in the FOS in the episode "Arrival" before interrupted by a freezing Chole. So I say super jump. ;)

[kal3l]

It was a jump, not flight!

In that 1940 whatever it was? episode he flew (well Jor-el did) and then as Kal-el he flew, But if he had flown in this epsidoe then he'd do it all the time from now on.

I mean next time he has to climb or reach for something,, then surely he wouldnt waste, what is usually precious time.

Has its been said, when Superman was first published he couldnt fly, just leap very high.
they added most of his other powers later.

This was a leap my friends.

I wish it could be christmas everyday.......doesn't mean it is.

[FallenStar]

yeah. . .

I mean who would walk if they could fly?

[Blackairow]

We know he now has the ability to fly. He's just afraid to do it still. if he wasn't afraid he would have been practicing till he could do it. He jumped though i think he subconsously aided it with will power.

[ramjeetp]

Hi all,

I am in two minds, I'd love to say he flew Lana up there but maybe he did super jump!

What is everyone's thought about Clark super-jumping in Hidden (ep. 3 of Season 5) to destroy the missle?! That was very similar to the way Kalel jumped to fly in Crusade (ep. 1 Season 4)

Laterz

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by randy23
Again, Clark has never been shown - in the context of Smallvile - to telegraph where he was landing when leaping, as seen in the past; he flared his arms and hands with no definite purpose or reasoning.

have you ever heard of the term "practice" (please no Allen Iverson jokes).

and really don't get me started on the "no way he could land like that if it were a jump" either. i will have to crack out my ball analogy and believe me, you don't want that ;)

oh hell, i'm all wound up now. here it is anyway (a whole 2 days old and already forgotten) :mad:

ok, a large number of people think that it could not have been a jump/leap because of how he landed.

here is my analogy:

1. take a ball and toss it in the air.

2. notice that the ball starts out with alot of force but as it travels up it slows until it hits it s apex.

3. when it hits the apex it just sort of hangs there before it starts to descend.

ok, now replace the ball with clark (lana's weight is insignificant compared to clark's power).

he landed so softly because he was at the apex of his leap.

some say they traveled at constant velocity but i would disagree as even if he did fly, he would slow down as he reached his final destination. it may have appeared differently as they wanted to show lana in clark's arms for a fair amount of time (for dramatic effect, not realistic).

everyone knows that when he gets a new power he can't control it at first but he does practice and then it becomes second nature. this will explain how he knows how much force he needs to reach his FOS, he can go there whenever he wants to practice his powers.

also, TPsTB devote entire eps to his new powers (he started off with strength and speed). and they even explained in an episode (i'm getting ready for another SV from E1 marathon to brush up on everything) the problems he had when he first developed those.

i'm pretty sure that they would make a very big deal about gaining his greatest power...flight.

[Johnny_Styles]

He flew nuff said....
But technicly it was a jump...just like
the one he did when he went to stop
the rocket.A big jump.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by Johnny_Styles
He flew nuff said....
But technicly it was a jump...just like
the one he did when he went to stop
the rocket.A big jump.

????? :confused:

[musictech]

Do you all really think that when he actually does fly that there will be any kind of question in your mind if he flew or just jumped.

Clark doesn't know how to fly, and unless Jor El came to him in a vision and gave him flying lessons, I would gather that he still doesn't know how to fly. I believe that when he actually does fly, he will be put into a position where he has no choice but to fly.

Say brainiac dropping him out of a plane at 10,000 feet, or some unnamed Krypton throwing a loved one up into orbit or something. Either that or he will do it purely by accident. I would kind of hope for the first, with a bit of comedic second mixed in. I know they had mentioned he was scared of heights, so an accidental flight with a fearful clark trying to hold on, would be kind of funny.

[Happy Random]

I think that he has some basic knowledge of flight, like not enough to hold himself up in the air and glide around for forever, but he can kind of control where he wants to go and "leap tall buildings in a single bound" ;)

[AshyLarry]

That sounds about right, music4tech. I was contemplating back and forth if he flew or not. Your theory sounds pretty good, as does yours Happy Random, in the basic knowledge of defying gravity.

[happycamper]

Jump.

If I had Lana in my arms and could fly, I'd have given her a little romantic tour through the fortress, first . . .

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by happycamper
Jump.

If I had Lana in my arms and could fly, I'd have given her a little romantic tour through the fortress, first . . .

Jump, leap, float -- not flight. As Clark, he shouldn't obtain that power (flight - from Jor-El or anyone else) until he has the "wisdom" to use it properly. That's his main character flaw to this point - too many powers, too little knowledge.

[BringBackSarah!!]

He flew! You can't jump up that slowly. When you jump up its a fast motion through the air. He flew slowly up. You can't jump slowly.

[flcn6]

If he was flying, you would think that he would go up *extremely* slowly so that Lana realizes that he is flying. I had to go with he jumped, esp. since (if i remember correctly, i may not) he bent his legs first. Superman can lift off the ground without jumping first.

[randy23]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
have you ever heard of the term "practice" (please no Allen Iverson jokes).

and really don't get me started on the "no way he could land like that if it were a jump" either. i will have to crack out my ball analogy and believe me, you don't want that ;)

oh hell, i'm all wound up now. here it is anyway (a whole 2 days old and already forgotten) :mad:

ok, a large number of people think that it could not have been a jump/leap because of how he landed.

here is my analogy:

1. take a ball and toss it in the air.

2. notice that the ball starts out with alot of force but as it travels up it slows until it hits it s apex.

3. when it hits the apex it just sort of hangs there before it starts to descend.

ok, now replace the ball with clark (lana's weight is insignificant compared to clark's power).

he landed so softly because he was at the apex of his leap.

some say they traveled at constant velocity but i would disagree as even if he did fly, he would slow down as he reached his final destination. it may have appeared differently as they wanted to show lana in clark's arms for a fair amount of time (for dramatic effect, not realistic).

everyone knows that when he gets a new power he can't control it at first but he does practice and then it becomes second nature. this will explain how he knows how much force he needs to reach his FOS, he can go there whenever he wants to practice his powers.

also, TPsTB devote entire eps to his new powers (he started off with strength and speed). and they even explained in an episode (i'm getting ready for another SV from E1 marathon to brush up on everything) the problems he had when he first developed those.

i'm pretty sure that they would make a very big deal about gaining his greatest power...flight.


It is supposition to believe Clark has been practicing his stunning leaping ability during unforseen intervals of episodes. If you can assert that, one can also say Clark has been practicing flight since the incident with Kal-El. Even if he has not claimed the ability, the scene in Reckoning has compelled me to believe otherwise. Your analogy has an oversight - gravity. He cannot control his movements in the midst of jumping; his deceleration will always be -9.8 m/s^2, and has not shown to be adroit in jumping, leaning towards flight. A parabolic route does not automatically conclude a jump; flight can also reproduce the same exact results - seeing it is telekinetic based. One can say the same about flight, but precedent has confirmed most jumps Clark has accomplished demanded speed - and seeing Lana did not even bat an eye during the whole scene, it seems feasible to believe he flew.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by randy23
his deceleration will always be -9.8 m/s^2
Oh, great, physics lessons now... I need some aspirin... :\
* gulps down half the bottle - chases it w/ JD *

[HalJordan4184]

Okay, his acclelrate will always be 9.8 meters per second squared in a perfect vacuum. On earth, it's a little different due to air friction, air pressure, and all of that.

Now, the man is superstrong. I don't understand your contention that because he had to hroizontally leap a long distance and got a running start, that he can't just jump high without a running start. If you're going the physics route, this then makes no scientific sense. He's been shown to not leap any signifigant horizontal distance without first getting a running start, presumably to add momentum to his jump. THis in no way implies however, as you seem to be suggesting, that the boy can't jump up in the air unless he's running mach five. He's super strong. THat includes his legs. Can he standing long jump a mile horizontally, i don't know, but can he jump vertically up using nothing but the power of his legs, yeah, probably.

And if we're bringing physics into it, again, i ask, why isn't everyone clark saves dead. He does tend to just ram into them at mach two, and keep going.

[MaRt88]

I think that de didn't fly cause i said himself that (only Kal-El can and if he'd be flying i think that he'd have told to him mom of Chloé

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by randy23
It is supposition to believe Clark has been practicing his stunning leaping ability during unforseen intervals of episodes. If you can assert that, one can also say Clark has been practicing flight since the incident with Kal-El. Even if he has not claimed the ability, the scene in Reckoning has compelled me to believe otherwise. Your analogy has an oversight - gravity. He cannot control his movements in the midst of jumping; his deceleration will always be -9.8 m/s^2, and has not shown to be adroit in jumping, leaning towards flight. A parabolic route does not automatically conclude a jump; flight can also reproduce the same exact results - seeing it is telekinetic based. One can say the same about flight, but precedent has confirmed most jumps Clark has accomplished demanded speed - and seeing Lana did not even bat an eye during the whole scene, it seems feasible to believe he flew.

hmmm....where do i begin????

being a well-established chemical engineer, i see you are trying to impress us with your knowledge.

let me ask you....do you believe the writers for smallville are physicists?????

and "supposition" to think he practices in between episodes????? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

do you think the more "big" words you use, the more we will believe you??? put down the thesaurus little one, it is a dangerous tool. :lol:

it comes down to this....flight is his greatest power. the writers dedicate shows to his new powers. was this show dedicated to flight???? NO!!!!

and don't bring up the flight when he was "Kal-el". already addressed.


Originally posted by BringBackSarah!!
He flew! You can't jump up that slowly. When you jump up its a fast motion through the air. He flew slowly up. You can't jump slowly.

He didn't jump up slowly. The director showed it slowed down so we could see lana in clarks arms for dramatic effect.

[randy23]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Okay, his acclelrate will always be 9.8 meters per second squared in a perfect vacuum. On earth, it's a little different due to air friction, air pressure, and all of that.


The rate is acceleration due to gravity - Earth's gravity, which in this case is negative.


Originally posted by HalJordan4184

Now, the man is superstrong. I don't understand your contention that because he had to hroizontally leap a long distance and got a running start, that he can't just jump high without a running start. If you're going the physics route, this then makes no scientific sense. He's been shown to not leap any signifigant horizontal distance without first getting a running start, presumably to add momentum to his jump. THis in no way implies however, as you seem to be suggesting, that the boy can't jump up in the air unless he's running mach five. He's super strong. THat includes his legs. Can he standing long jump a mile horizontally, i don't know, but can he jump vertically up using nothing but the power of his legs, yeah, probably.

If we are using baisc physics, a projectile's x and y forces are not interconnected, while both conflate to determine the distance of a launched projectile, both are intrinsic. Example, hypothetical scenario, a person has a loaded gun and aims the barrel at a harmless direction; conjointly, on the other hand he/she reveals a spare bullet and holds it parallel to the gun's rim - both having the same height from the ground. He then fires the gun and releases the spare bullet simultaneously. The end result: the spare bullet and the fired bullet land exactly the same time - their y forces are uneffected. Though the fired bullet travelled a significant distance relative to the shooter, the elapsed time for the bullet to land was the same as the released bullet.

My point: not unless clark wishes only to jump vertically or slant his body enough (which was not the case in Reckoning) it's unlikely he jumped.


Originally posted by HalJordan4184
And if we're bringing physics into it, again, i ask, why isn't everyone clark saves dead. He does tend to just ram into them at mach two, and keep going.

Well, that's going into the realm of suspension and disbelief, but gravity is a common concept even in the pseudo world of Marvel and Dc.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
hmmm....where do i begin????

being a well-established chemical engineer, i see you are trying to impress us with your knowledge.

let me ask you....do you believe the writers for smallville are physicists?????

and "supposition" to think he practices in between episodes????? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

do you think the more "big" words you use, the more we will believe you??? put down the thesaurus little one, it is a dangerous tool. :lol:

it comes down to this....flight is his greatest power. the writers dedicate shows to his new powers. was this show dedicated to flight???? NO!!!!

and don't bring up the flight when he was "Kal-el". already addressed.


It seems you don't use suffixes, you should try it. The root word for supposition is suppose - to assume or such. Not actually a big word just a derivative. Would you like me to use simple words?

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by randy23

It seems you don't use suffixes, you should try it. The root word for supposition is suppose - to assume or such. Not actually a big word just a derivative. Would you like me to use simple words?

it seems you don't know what quotation marks are. i was quoting your word.

don't get cute with me boy. i think i hear your mother calling you out of the basement.

again, do you really think the writers of smallville know anything about physics???? then again, it's apparent you don't either.

and one last thing physics-boy, explain the following about this FICTIONAL character:

1. when he runs at over 1000 ft/s, why does his hair and clothes stay relatively still.

2. when he runs at superspeed, why doesn't his shoes disintegrate? or his pants catch on fire from the friction?

3. how can he come to a complete stop without leaving skidmarks hundreds of feet long?

4. not in the series yet but how can superman perform his superbreath when his lungs cannot hold that much air?

well let's just see if you can use real-world physics to explain those.

[randy23]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
it seems you don't know what quotation marks are. i was quoting your word.

don't get cute with me boy. i think i hear your mother calling you out of the basement.

again, do you really think the writers of smallville know anything about physics???? then again, it's apparent you don't either.

I know quotation marks and responded correctly. You're sounding belligerent now, BoSoxJim; I'm in college and not the basement. You don't even know me, so why are you making these claims? If you're trying to hurt my feelings, your doing a poor job.


Why would the writers need physics? That's a question for you. I'm just using common sense along with simple physics concepts.

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by randy23
I know quotation marks and responded correctly. You're sounding belligerent now, BoSoxJim; I'm in college and not the basement. You don't even know me, so why are you making these claims? If you're trying to hurt my feelings, your doing a poor job.


Why would the writers need physics? That's a question for you. I'm just using common sense along with simple physics concepts.

OMG! Go back and read your post with the pompous attitude and you'll realize why I responded the way I did.

Don't act all innocent after calling me out.

If the writers don't need to know physics then why are you trying to use physics to prove or disprove anything on the show????

I'll word it another way. If the writers did not take into account real-world physics into the JUMP, then trying to use real-world physics to prove or disprove the JUMP is absolutely pointless.

C'mon now!

[randy23]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
OMG! Go back and read your post with the pompous attitude and you'll realize why I responded the way I did.

Don't act all innocent after calling me out.


Like your ridicule of my previous post was any more noteworthy, you can see why my reply exuded arrogance.




Originally posted by BoSoxJim

If the writers don't need to know physics then why are you trying to use physics to prove or disprove anything on the show????

I'll word it another way. If the writers did not take into account real-world physics into the JUMP, then trying to use real-world physics to prove or disprove the JUMP is absolutely pointless.
C'mon now!

Are you suggesting Tv shows like Smallvile (and comics) work under different realms of physics than our own? Or that because writers did not present exact reasons for each action therefore cannot be rationalized? Even though comics has used pseudo-science, magic to contort what we call "real-world" science, DC and Marvel have placed their Earth in the context of our own. I have not seen the concept of gravity deviate indefinitely in comics. There has been storylines where it may have shifted but nothing unmitigated.

[SamBanksJLA]

I have a question for everyone who thinks that Clark jumped up there?

Have you EVER seen anyone jump so SLOWLY???

[BoSoxJim]

Originally posted by randy23
Like your ridicule of my previous post was any more noteworthy, you can see why my reply exuded arrogance.



like i said before, lose the thesaurus. this is a posting board for a tv show. not a symposium.

you also have to lay off the "cut and paste" within your posts. it really makes you look like you're trying to impress someone a little too much.

and you drew first blood against me. stop playing the innocent poster with me.



Originally posted by randy23
Are you suggesting Tv shows like Smallvile (and comics) work under different realms of physics than our own? Or that because writers did not present exact reasons for each action therefore cannot be rationalized? Even though comics has used pseudo-science, magic to contort what we call "real-world" science, DC and Marvel have placed their Earth in the context of our own. I have not seen the concept of gravity deviate indefinitely in comics. There has been storylines where it may have shifted but nothing unmitigated.

now this is where you make your biggest mistake. this sounds like a young teenager trying to speak as an adult about tv shows and comics.

anybody reading that paragraph is probably urinating in their chairs due to the absolute absurdity of its contents.

but dude, whatever. if it makes you happy, you are by far the smartest person around. i'm just a lowly chemical engineer. what the hell do i know about science?

please forgive me for questioning how anybody could really use physical constants to explain how clark kent could not have possibly jumped to the base of his FOS.

even though lana saying "you've done this before" should imply to everyone that clark does indeed practice his powers (even when we aren't watching him, oooooohhh, blasphemy)

i mean the incredible hulk can leap 3 miles at a time but yeah, you can rationalize that as well.

however, in an earlier post you claim, clark has never jumped or flown withour using superspeed??? please tell me when you have seen the ripple effect present when he uses his superspeed. hmmm......

also, i like how you avoided answering all of my questions on your rationlizations for certain oddities that occur when he uses some of his powers.

guess your textbook or wikipedia doesn't have entries for that.

also, you avoided my statement that the writers have devoted entire shows to his new powers. now, would it not stand to reason they would do the same for his most important power....FLIGHT!!!!!

that and the PsTB have said "no flight, no tights".

yes, clark as kal-el flew. but after clark exorcised (suppressed) him, he said that Kal-el could fly, I cannot (or something to that effect).

but whatever, you are right about everything. you win. congrats.

one last thing, since you know everything, please answer these questions for me (since you neglected to do so). my pitiful chemical engineering education has completely failed me.

1. when he runs at over 1000 ft/s, why does his hair and clothes stay relatively still.

2. when he runs at superspeed, why doesn't his shoes disintegrate? or his pants catch on fire from the friction?

3. how can he come to a complete stop without leaving skidmarks hundreds of feet long?

4. not in the series yet but how can superman perform his superbreath when his lungs cannot hold that much air?

5. when clark ran at superspeed with chloe in his arms, why weren't her lips ripped from her face? or how could she breathe without her lungs exploding from the rush of air filling her lungs? or how could she exhale?



Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I have a question for everyone who thinks that Clark jumped up there?

Have you EVER seen anyone jump so SLOWLY???

i believe the director slowed it down so we could see lana in clarks arms for dramatic effect.

but check with physics boy as he seems to have all the CORRECT answers.

[randy23]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
like i said before, lose the thesaurus. this is a posting board for a tv show. not a symposium.

you also have to lay off the "cut and paste" within your posts. it really makes you look like you're trying to impress someone a little too much.

and you drew first blood against me. stop playing the innocent poster with me.

now this is where you make your biggest mistake. this sounds like a young teenager trying to speak as an adult about tv shows and comics.

anybody reading that paragraph is probably urinating in their chairs due to the absolute absurdity of its contents.


---It seems, it is hard for you to grasp that somebody could actually exert effort in an argument without trying to impress other people using big words. I use, as you say, "big words" to remove expletives in an effort to make the paragraph clearer. Is it really difficult to believe? What is this "cut and paste" you are talking about? Drew the first blood ? It is a debate. If you know what a rebuttal is - it is meant to refute the other person's contention. I am kind of baffled as to why you are taking my posts with such offense. I am sorry you are so sensitive to other people's views. If you want me to apologize, I am happy to oblige - you're probably going to find some way to insult me, oh well.


but dude, whatever. if it makes you happy, you are by far the smartest person around. i'm just a lowly chemical engineer. what the hell do i know about science?

---Now you are just making fallacies. When did I ever attack your credentials as a chemical engineer? And what does that have to with anything?


please forgive me for questioning how anybody could really use physical constants to explain how clark kent could not have possibly jumped to the base of his FOS.

--Again, if he really jumped he would only be going vertically seeing that the force moving in the y axis does not effect the x axis because he did not reposition his body to change the force vectors - only bending his legs. I am trying to be clear not pompous.




even though lana saying "you've done this before" should imply to everyone that clark does indeed practice his powers (even when we aren't watching him, oooooohhh, blasphemy)



-The comment could be interpeted numerous ways; the reason why we are debating. Try to look at my post more throughly. If somebody can say Clark has been practicing his leaping ability, one can also say he has been practicing flight, since his alter ego Kal-El. In his dialogue, in Crusade, he expresses that he still remembers what happened, only fearing to step forward with the ability, relatively speaking.


i mean the incredible hulk can leap 3 miles at a time but yeah, you can rationalize that as well.

however, in an earlier post you claim, clark has never jumped or flown withour using superspeed??? please tell me when you have seen the ripple effect present when he uses his superspeed. hmmm......


---Try to look back, I said he has not jumped great distances without speed; also, there would be no need for speed if he could fly.


also, i like how you avoided answering all of my questions on your rationlizations for certain oddities that occur when he uses some of his powers.

guess your textbook or wikipedia doesn't have entries for that.

also, you avoided my statement that the writers have devoted entire shows to his new powers. now, would it not stand to reason they would do the same for his most important power....FLIGHT!!!!!

that and the PsTB have said "no flight, no tights".

yes, clark as kal-el flew. but after clark exorcised (suppressed) him, he said that Kal-el could fly, I cannot (or something to that effect).

As I recall, the writers never wanted him to fly at all, as in, his whole body would never learn how to fly, and not just split personalities he might one day possess; nonetheless, they changed it. They found a loop hole by saying his alter ego was the one who flew, but is contrary to previous statements. What is this wikipedia you are referring to; seriously, I would really like to know. The physics I am mentioning is common knowledge - highschool education, why on Earth would I need to search wikipedia or a textbook? I may be answering your posts but you are not worth that much time.




1. when he runs at over 1000 ft/s, why does his hair and clothes stay relatively still.
I don't know about that, the issues I remember he was able to change his hair style into a ponytail after he grew it out subsquently in the fight with doomsday, and unoticable when short. I really don't notice during episodes.


2. when he runs at superspeed, why doesn't his shoes disintegrate? or his pants catch on fire from the friction?
I see you are not a comic reader and that's understandable. First, his bio-electric aura protects him from most things like friction; this is also coupled with his dense skin. He usually flies rather than running but when he does, there are spectacles eminating from his shoes, assumably, burning the shoes off due to the extreme speed.

Edit: his aura protects him from harm but he is still susceptible to friction. Flash is the one who absorbs friction using the Speed Force.

3. how can he come to a complete stop without leaving skidmarks hundreds of feet long?

Recent issues of Flash have confirmed that if Superman was to stop completely without speed and used only momentum he would inflict catastrophic damage to cities for miles.


4. not in the series yet but how can superman perform his superbreath when his lungs cannot hold that much air?

It's already been explained or atleast speculated that because accumulating air contained in a finite space(lungs) would increase temperature, something would need to change the compressed air into pure ice/cold breath when exhaling. Some say it is another extension of his telekinetic abilities. Again, going reiterate, DC uses pseudo science to explain many abilities of Superman.


5. when clark ran at superspeed with chloe in his arms, why weren't her lips ripped from her face? or how could she breathe without her lungs exploding from the rush of air filling her lungs? or how could she exhale?
When describing his powers it is readibly acceptable that he is capable of lending his aura to others; he even offered Captain Atom the treatment.

[snafu2dj]

WOW, you guys have invested a whole day into going back and forth. You both got some good points. Just give it up and chillax for a while.


Oh yeah...... JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DARKRAGE]

I think I posted on this thread re: this topic can not belive its still going for me folks it was a FLYING JUMP

[Sweetie]

He defenetly flew this time but,I don't think he realised it,he just thought that it was a big jump.When I saw him,I yelled:Hey!You're flying Clark!!!GOOD BOY:lol:

[CodyM]

I've watched it over and over again. Not a shred of evidence that this was anything but a short (by superman standards) jump.


Remember guys, superman doesn't learn to fly until he's in his twenties.

[Crichton]

Yeah but Smallville doesn't stick to the mythos exactly. A lot of stuff has happened already that wasn't supposed to happen until long after he donned the tights.

[SuperMyke]

This part of the episode looked like a dream to me, so initially i thought he was flying.. but after the realisation that it wasnt a dream i thought back to when he was stopping that misile from going into space.. and thought he was only jumping :( it's a shame though, although i did think that maybe clark already knows he can fly and just doesnt like hights so he doesnt do it unless he absolutely needs to,

[BoSoxJim]

geez. i didn't realize this thread was still going.

randy and i did go a little overboard but hey, that's what geeks do :)

and since i don't want him to get the last word over me, i restate that ...

IT WAS A JUMP (also called a LEAP)!

"Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound!"

hmmmmm...........

I'm really close to pulling out my "throw a ball in the air" analogy. Believe me, nobody wants to see that again. :p

[SuperIncredible]

I vote Fly...

Come on now if he had jumped he would have snapped her neck jumping that high. Think about it it only makes sense.

Or just to be in nuetral territory just call it "a really controlled jump" :) ;)

[julioc]

This may be somewhere within the 15 pages of this thread...so, if it is a rehash, I apologize.

Due to an issue with my Tivo, until recently I was only able to watch the episode when it first aired...I finally got to rewatch the famous "jump/fly," and had a thought. A thought, which in the back of my head feels like a cop-out, but a thought nevertheless.

I used to think he was flying...but, this last time I watched it, it seemed more like a jump. But, it wasn't anything like the jump when he had to get to the rocket (which looked more like his flight thing)...so, I thought, what if he is in the process of learning to fly. What if this was simply a very well controled jump. That he may not be able to fly yet, but he is not just leaping/jumping as high as he can go and hoping for the best either? It didn't take a lot of effort for him to leap that high, but it did look a bit like a jump too...

I think he jumped/but, with elements of flight.

[mallory]

Flight. No question.

[Gabi]

I think he flew cause he kinda landed.

[Pal-El]

Jumpjumpjump. No question.

[Donnie Brasco]

Agreed

It was a super jump

[boomerang]

NO! He flyed! Well... Half to half... ¿Why this ice thing hadn't a elevator??

[kazek]

That was flight. no doubt. Clark didn't look like he put in any effort. He just started rising. With a jump I believe he'd have to go low (maybe crouch) and then take off and land hard on the ground. He flew. And probably that was because he was in the FOS. Maybe in the FOS he has the ability to fly.

[MidgardDragon]

Honestly, and I think I may have said this before, I think it looked like flight just because TPTB wanted to give us flight for this episode, but also wanted to cop out and say he still can't fly. So while it looked like flight, I think if asked Al/Miles would say it was just a super jump.

[RedQ]

v = u + at
v² = u² + 2as
s = ut + 1/2 at²
average velocity = (v + u)/2

The Problem solving where when a ball thrown to up relative to gravity it slows down as it reaches at it's Max height and Zero velocity. as it falls the Velocity increases. THEREFORE He can accomplish the soft landing with JUMP!
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1835885#post1835885

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2047/045vz9sm.gif
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1826334#post1826334
Their IS NO soft Landing.
Originally posted by DrifterJoe
The landing was never actually shown. So I don't get what everyone is saying about the landing being so smooth. When Clark and Lana are shown at the top of the peak, Clark is just gently putting Lana down. So, again, the landing was never shown.

Jump.

And in regards to the interview with Tom Welling talking about flying, like opera ghost said, he was talking about how flying would pretty much end the show because it would bring them into the realm of superman. That website took bits and pieces from another interview and just wrote an article about it.I Agree that the Article Misquoted. The Interview was BEFORE 100th Episode; so Tom Is refering to the 5th Season Premiere (Crusade) Actors are Contractually obligated NOT to reveal ANYTHING about a show before it's aired. so Tom is certainly NOT talking about the Engagement Scene.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1830120#post1830120
And I will value the TPTB word rather than the Actors cause they know what direction they want SV to go.

Let's Not Forget the Fear of Heights. that he mention more than once in prev episodes.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1830710#post1830710

Like these people mentioned: In Previous Episodes.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1824908#post1824908
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1825004#post1825004
The Capability of Flight is already there But Controlled flight that could be considered FLYING is NOT what happened.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1824486#post1824486
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1833861#post1833861
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1824668#post1824668
Like they said before; If clark Does Fly, it will be as Super man with both hands streached foward.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1826026#post1826026
He can generate the lift. He can produce the gas for the needed for the thrust. And having a lot of Beans for snaks will help with the propulsion.

[KristinKrazy]

it was a super jump Clark knows how to since he did it in the ep where he gets his powers back and the rocket going off into space

[indylovesmallville]

theres a difference between jumping and flying and that was definetly flying evn though I would like to think that it was jumping the truth is it was flying and besides why would Clark want to show Lana that he could super jump???


FLYING

[v3rlon]

Originally posted by RedQ
v = u + at
v² = u² + 2as
s = ut + 1/2 at²
average velocity = (v + u)/2

The Problem solving where when a ball thrown to up relative to gravity it slows down as it reaches at it's Max height and Zero velocity. as it falls the Velocity increases. THEREFORE He can accomplish the soft landing with JUMP!
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1835885#post1835885

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2047/045vz9sm.gif
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1826334#post1826334
Their IS NO soft Landing.I Agree that the Article Misquoted. The Interview was BEFORE 100th Episode; so Tom Is refering to the 5th Season Premiere (Crusade) Actors are Contractually obligated NOT to reveal ANYTHING about a show before it's aired. so Tom is certainly NOT talking about the Engagement Scene.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1830120#post1830120
And I will value the TPTB word rather than the Actors cause they know what direction they want SV to go.

Let's Not Forget the Fear of Heights. that he mention more than once in prev episodes.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1830710#post1830710

Like these people mentioned: In Previous Episodes.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1824908#post1824908
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1825004#post1825004
The Capability of Flight is already there But Controlled flight that could be considered FLYING is NOT what happened.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1824486#post1824486
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1833861#post1833861
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1824668#post1824668
Like they said before; If clark Does Fly, it will be as Super man with both hands streached foward.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1826026#post1826026
He can generate the lift. He can produce the gas for the needed for the thrust. And having a lot of Beans for snaks will help with the propulsion.

That's nice, but its not the landing that's at issue. Its the takeoff. When you throw a ball up in the air, when is it moving fastest?

In order to jump up 10 stories, he would have to subject Lana to a force similar to having fallen 10 stories in order to make the initial velocity to get her up that high. Ergo, if he only jumped, she died.

And yes, the people he plows into at mach 2 would turn into so much marinara sauce.

There is a theory somewhere that Superman's invulnerability extends outward somewhat and protects his clothing. Perhaps it also protects his hairdo when he's zooming around?

He could be using his flight powers subconciously to assist with superspeed and super leaps. Certainly, he must have when he caught the ICBM (I have remarked on this before....basically, when you, me, and the kid down the street can shoot bullets out of the air with a bow and arrow while blind folded--consistently and from more than 100 yards away, we can talk about the POSSIBILITY of Clark being able to leap up to an ICBM and actually hit it without altering his course with flight powers).

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

OMG. Most voted results are JUMP...huh...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA! I think I'm about to die...I can't breathe...

Clark also flew in episode Hidden so we know he flew in this episode. It was too slow to be a super-leap. Clark decided for the second time he would fly so he could make Lana feel breathtaken by the beauty of the Fortress.
I mean this was the 100th episode for God's sake. They wanted it to be a big episode, one of the bests so they would make Clark fly. I think Clark is still afraid to fly but feels sometimes he should just because he should.

[Nimkong]

Well i cant decide.It seems like he flew because he loved lana so much he overcame his fears,but since clark hasent flown since it could have been a super-jump

[randy23]

Of course he flew---only numb nuts think he jumped..you cannot jump and go at an angle like that...what crazy world we live in these days.