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SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 02:32 AM
I don't know about you guys, but that look that Chloe turned around and gave at Clark and Lana while she was leaving the funeral with Lois bothered me.
To me it was a 'Chloe feeling sorry for herself' look, because she seen Clark and Lana holding hands.
Chloe can be pretty selfish.
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While I was typing this another thought came across my mind. Maybe Chloe was giving that look back because she knows what Clark had done to save Lana's life, and that she was more than upset about it. She could be uspet with Lana a little bit. It could cause trouble down the road in future episodes.
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Or maybe she was just upset because it was Lana holding Clarks hand instead of her? I don't know, but it is something to think about.

Prospero
01-27-2006, 02:34 AM
If I was on her place, it would be a much more agressive look. A 'it was you who should die' kind of look, I think...

joeybw
01-27-2006, 02:35 AM
I think she was upset because she knows how guilty Clark feels

I think when Lana winds up with Lex, Chloe will slip up and be like "clark gave up everything for you" or something along those lines

AnimeJoe
01-27-2006, 02:37 AM
I caught the funeral scene and when Chloe looked back at Clark, I was instantly was transported back to the funeral scene that was done for Whitney's dad in which Chloe looked back at Clark who was looking at Lana, and at the time Chloe WAS feeling a bit bad/jealous..

I didn't get that feeling this time, I think Chloe looked back at Clark because she felt really bad for his loss. I sensed no jealousy whatsoever.

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 02:41 AM
I am one of those that want to see Lana with Lex. It would all SO MUCH to the show. And I would like to see Clark with Lois. Because that would add a lot more to the show that if Clark hooked up with Chloe.

But I agree. I think that when 'Lexana' finally happens, that Chloe will reveal somehow what happened, and eventually Lana will confront Clark with it.


Originally posted by AnimeJoe
I caught the funeral scene and when Chloe looked back at Clark, I was instantly was transported back to the funeral scene that was done for Whitney's dad in which Chloe looked back at Clark who was looking at Lana, and at the time Chloe WAS feeling a bit bad/jealous..

I didn't get that feeling this time, I think Chloe looked back at Clark because she felt really bad for his loss. I sensed no jealousy whatsoever.

The first thing that I thought of is when Clark was in the Dunk Tank at the school, and Avril Lavigne's 'My Happy Ending' was playing and Lois went up to the Dunk Tank and messed up CK's hair and then CK splashed her. Then you cut to Chloe and she has 'this look' (no way to describe it) on her face, and you KNOW she is jellouse. I kind of did get that same feeling. I'm not saying that's what she was thinking, but that's how I felt at the time.

j-kent
01-27-2006, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by joeybw
I think she was upset because she knows how guilty Clark feels

I think when Lana winds up with Lex, Chloe will slip up and be like "clark gave up everything for you" or something along those lines

the top part is the most logical

the bottom one is something i would love chloe to do

speaking of that...in the comic mythos...lana actually finds out Clark's secret somewhere down the road...I would love to see this happen in Smallville and see Lana guilty for being so pushy with CK's secrets.

Rimmer66
01-27-2006, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Prospero
If I was on her place, it would be a much more agressive look. A 'it was you who should die' kind of look, I think...

Actually maybe not - I don't think that had anything to do. Clark could NOT have saved his father he didn't KNOW ahead of time what would happen - JK was DESTINED already to die due to his weak heart, so whether Clark went back in time and saved Lana or not, he would have STILL died - And it is TRUE that you cannot change your destiny - if you do the universe will counter balance with other events leading to the same result - this is so true !

I am EXTREMELY disappointed that they got rid of a VERY GOOD actor - at least they could have kept that for season 6 or 7.

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 02:53 AM
If I was Clark or Martha, I woul dhave bootedd Lionel out of the funeral.

savingpeoplething
01-27-2006, 02:58 AM
I'm with the camp that thinks Chloe's look back was more out of deep sadness for Clark. She knows how much his dad meant to him and what he had just gone through earlier with the "Lana Death".
I think she has handled this seasons' Clark/Lana sillyness (or is it "silliness") like a pro. I'm sure it has been difficult, considering her huge feelings for Clark, but overall, I'm impressed with how she has tried to suck it up and be happy for them.
Oh, and as far as her going to Lana and telling her what he gave up for her...I don't think there is any remote possibility of Chloe doing that. In my opinon, that is truly beneath her character. She could have gone and told Clark's secret to Lana a long time ago, but has chosen to hold it in, out of respect for him.
Even though I would LOVE to see her rub it in Lana's face, I just don't think Chloe would do something like that.

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 03:05 AM
Chloe has done some pretty dumb things in the past though. I don't thin that Chloe would tell Lana to be malicious. I think it would be more of an accidental revealing.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 03:06 AM
i agree with those who believe chloe was just really sad that clark has to go through this.

she knows he has lost his father and lana due to his decision and there is nothing she can do. she does love the guy.

i thought lois and chloe had the same expression on their face. i'll have to watch the ep again.

as for chloe revealing clark's secret...she has already said she would die before telling anybody his secret.

addicted2dvd
01-27-2006, 03:15 AM
When seing Chloe look back I also felt like it was no more then feeling bad for Clark. I just didn't get a jealousy feeling from it at all.

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by BoSoxJim
i agree with those who believe chloe was just really sad that clark has to go through this.

she knows he has lost his father and lana due to his decision and there is nothing she can do. she does love the guy.

i thought lois and chloe had the same expression on their face. i'll have to watch the ep again.

as for chloe revealing clark's secret...she has already said she would die before telling anybody his secret.


I would expect a Red Sox fan so say something like this. Just Kidding! I'm a Cardinals and Yankees fan, so I have to give you a hard time.

EVILDREAMZ420
01-27-2006, 03:15 AM
Its possible that clark may be forced to reveal his Secret to Lana to save her from being with Lex....I think clark knows deep down or will that even though Lex loves Lana....part of it is he wants what clark cant have now...and if he has Lana....The clark loses that battle....A victory for Lex over clark....is something that would bring Lex out of his depression and sadness...and right back as the Villian we know him to be...

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by EVILDREAMZ420
Its possible that clark may be forced to reveal his Secret to Lana to save her from being with Lex....I think clark knows deep down or will that even though Lex loves Lana....part of it is he wants what clark cant have now...and if he has Lana....The clark loses that battle....A victory for Lex over clark....is something that would bring Lex out of his depression and sadness...and right back as the Villian we know him to be...

But if Lana shoots Lex down and never ends up with him, then maybe that will push Lex father into the Dark Side.

savingpeoplething
01-27-2006, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
Chloe has done some pretty dumb things in the past though. I don't thin that Chloe would tell Lana to be malicious. I think it would be more of an accidental revealing.

Chloe's character has probably been the most maturing one on the show (of course, my opinion)...I really think she has learned from her mistakes (all the prying into Clark's life and working with Lionel) and is able to, even though it IS difficult, carry the burdens of Clark's secret.
She has shown time and time again how loyal and understanding she is, even though Clark, like a royal jerk, continued to (and probably will in the future) dump on her about Lana.
For her to accidentally blurb to Lana seems like a cop-out. I don't know how Lana will finally know, or even if she SHOULD know. She has consistently proven herself as a bad companion and in some cases, a bad friend. Does Clark really OWE it to her to tell her the truth?
If she teams up with Lex (which she sort of already has), they will TRY to figure it out on their own anyway.
By the way, I know, I can't hide it, so I might as well say that Lana is my least favorite character. :)

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 03:25 AM
I'm not a Chloe hater either. I just don't think that a Clark and Chloe relationship would be good for the show.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I would expect a Red Sox fan so say something like this. Just Kidding! I'm a Cardinals and Yankees fan, so I have to give you a hard time.

LOL! 2004 must have been torture for you then. :D

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by BoSoxJim
LOL! 2004 must have been torture for you then. :D

IT STILL KILLS ME!

I till to this day have not seen an image of the Red Sox celebrating after the game 4 win at Busch. I just can't stomach watching the Red Sox celebrate in my home field. It is sickening.

Here's something weird that I thought I'd share with you. Me being primarily a Cardinals fan, I hate the Cubs right? Yeah I do. And me liking the Yanks, I sure do hate the Red Sox. But for the life of me I can't figure out why I have ALWAYS liked Nomar Garciaparra. He's one of my favorite players. I guess now I can root for him openly that he's on the Dodgers. I was really hoping that he went to the Yanks to play 1st. That would have been great to have the 'Holy Trinity' of shortstops in the same infeild.

I don't think that I am ever going to warm up to Damon though. The only thing that would make me do that is if he punched Varitek in the face or something!

Nospam
01-27-2006, 03:36 AM
I think it's part sympathy and part undercurrent of feelings she has for him. And she not only looked back once, but twice. Chloe wants to be there for Clark with the hope that he will one day "fly back to her". I think it was crossing her mind just how much Clark and Lana are over.

Chloe says earlier in the episode, "But you guys are like meant for each other. I mean you're Kansas' version of Ken and Barbie. Except they broke up apparently, which is kind of weird." Does anyone else here think Chloe says these things to reassure Clark because there is a certain noble maturity and loyalty to her, but that in the end she doesn't really believe what she is saying? Her loyalty to Clark must tear her poor little heart apart at times, especially given the events of the last three episodes. Notice she also catches herself before responding to Clark's admission that he proposed to Lana; she wanted to be sure she didn't reveal her feelings and compromise herself.

While I am never happy that Chloe's poor little heart gets stomped on it is very satisfying to see Clark and Chloe grow much closer together and to see Clark's growing trust and respect for her.

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by Nospam
I think it's part sympathy and part undercurrent of feelings she has for him. And she not only looked back once, but twice. Chloe wants to be there for Clark with the hope that he will one day "fly back to her". I think it was crossing her mind just how much Clark and Lana are over.

Chloe says earlier in the episode, "But you guys are like meant for each other. I mean you're Kansas' version of Ken and Barbie. Except they broke up apparently, which is kind of weird." Does anyone else here think Chloe says these things to reassure Clark because there is a certain noble maturity and loyalty to her, but that in the end she doesn't really believe what she is saying? Her loyalty to Clark must tear her poor little heart apart at times, especially given the events of the last three episodes. Notice she also catches herself before responding to Clark's admission that he proposed to Lana; she wanted to be sure she didn't reveal her feelings and compromise herself.

While I am never happy that Chloe's poor little heart gets stomped on it is very satisfying to see Clark and Chloe grow much closer together and to see Clark's growing trust and respect for her.


I think that we all know that Chloe is full of crap when she acts like that she is happy for Clark and Lana. She is just trying to be CK's best freind. And he's doing a pretty good job of it. I mean, what would happen if hse just told CK to shut up and quit bothering her with the Lana problems? Clark would pull away from her too. And Chloe doesn't want that.

She is smart enough to realize that any Clark that she can get in her life, is better than no Clark at all.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA

She is smart enough to realize that she any Clark that she can get in her life, is better than no Clark at all.

if only lana was smart enough to realize that....:mad:

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 04:09 AM
I'm not quite sure I follow you?

Nospam
01-27-2006, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I'm not quite sure I follow you?

That he wished Lana was smart enough to realize that any Clark she got in her life was better than no Clark at all.

Correct me if I am wrong please,
BoSoxJim.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Nospam
That he wished Lana was smart enough to realize that any Clark she got in her life was better than no Clark at all.

Correct me if I am wrong please,
BoSoxJim.

yes, that is what i meant. she (lana) should look at clark (the whole person) and evaluate him on his deeds and take that into consideration.

yes, he is keeping things from her, but at the same time was always there when she needed him (except in this episode).

she once said in an episode "clark kent's not always there when you want him but he's always there when you need him".

she should realize that he keeps things from her to protect her. even though it bothers her, she should just deal and accept him for who he is.

whereas the 4th season ender showed lana the true side of lex. he uses people to achieve his own ends. what the hell is changing her mind now???

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 04:34 AM
What's changing her mind is the ship. She didn't have anyone to talk to about that. Clark wouldn't talk. Lex would. More importantly, he believed her. Clark always changes the subject.

Don't you think Lana wants to know, where the hell did they go? How is it when Clark got there, there were gone? What happened to them? If they were there when Clark was there, how did Clark stop them?

How can Lana accept Clark for who he is when Clark doesn't open up to her about who he really is? Lex isn't the nicest guy and has his bad sides, but he doesn't hide them from Lana. He's honest about who he is.

Clark has been lying to Lana since the tornado. Clark hasn't exactly made things easy for her to believe he's normal. She's seen and heard too much. She's knows something isn't right with him. Yet she lies to Lex to keep him off Clark's trail.

Lana: "He's normal."
Lex: "Normal people don't come back from the dead."

The Tornado.
Perry White's Claims.
The Meteor Freak Killer's Claims.
Clark Superspeeding To Save Lana From Adam.
She Gave Clark The Stone. She Said It Belonged To Him.
The Space Ship.
The Disappearance of the Zod Followers.
The Claims from the Freak in "Mortal".
The Ressurrection.

She knows he's not normal. She's in a relationship with him. She's sleeping with him. He's her first. Clark has asked her COUNTLESS hypothetical questions over the years.. She ALWAYS said she would be around someone who wasn't normal. She still can't get answers from him.

Even as a man, I have to say, that's not right for another man to do that to a woman. She deserves better than that.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
What's changing her mind is the ship. She didn't have anyone to talk to about that. Clark wouldn't talk. Lex would. More importantly, he believed her. Clark always changes the subject.

Don't you think Lana wants to know, where the hell did they go? How is it when Clark got there, there were gone? What happened to them? If they were there when Clark was there, how did Clark stop them?

How can Lana accept Clark for who he is when Clark doesn't open up to her about who he really is? Lex isn't the nicest guy and has his bad sides, but he doesn't hide them from Lana. He's honest about who he is. Clark has been lying to Lana since the tornado. Clark hasn't exactly made things easy for her to believe he's normal. She's seen and heard too much.


how has lex been honest about who he is? he tortured and nearly killed aquaman! do you think if lana knew that, she would have anything to do with him. and that is only one of the nasty things he has done.

i don't understand how people can defend lex luthor. i really don't.

clark may have been lying to her since the tornado but he's also been saving her life and everyone else's since day 1.

even the sheriff (who had alot of misgivings at first) kept saying how she wished he was on the force. all of his deeds have been honorable and he's never expected anything in return. name one honorable thing lex luthor has ever done.

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 04:52 AM
Do you even watch Smallville?

Lex Luthor saved her life.
Lex Luthor saved the Talon for her.
Lex Luthor got rid of Perry White for her.
Lex Luthor taught her self defense.
Lex Luthor let her live at the Talon.
Lex Luthor welcomed her and Whitney into his home after their car went off the road.
Lex Luthor has been a friend to her.
Lex Luthor shared information on the Spaceship with her.

That's JUST Lana.

Lex told White to back off Clark.
Lex told his Cave Expert to back off Clark.
Lex tried to be nice to JK despite always being treated poorly by him.
Lex gave JK a ride to Metropolis via Helicopter.
Lex saved his JK's farm, no charge.

Lex tortured and nearly killed Aquaman AFTER Aquaman broke into his lab and nearly blew it up.

I'm actually a Clana fan. I'm not a Lex suppporter. However, Lana had every reason to go to him.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Do you even watch Smallville?

Lex Luthor saved her life.
Lex Luthor saved the Talon for her.
Lex Luthor got rid of Perry White for her.
Lex Luthor taught her self defense.
Lex Luthor let her live at the Talon.
Lex Luthor welcomed her and Whitney into his home after their car went off the road.
Lex Luthor has been a friend to her.
Lex Luthor shared information on the Spaceship with her.

That's JUST Lana.

Lex told White to back off Clark.
Lex told his Cave Expert to back off Clark.
Lex tried to be nice to JK despite always being treated poorly by him.
Lex gave JK a ride to Metropolis via Helicopter.
Lex saved his JK's farm, no charge.

Lex tortured and nearly killed Aquaman AFTER Aquaman broke into his lab and nearly blew it up.

I'm actually a Clana fan. I'm not a Lex suppporter. However, Lana had every reason to go to him.

Dude, you have got to be kidding me. Maybe I should have been more specific and said altruistic instead of honorable.

You actually believe Lex is a good person.

I'm off for some sleep but later I'll answer each of your supposed honorable deeds. ROTFL!

The defense of Lex toruturing aquaman is completely pathetic. Do you know why aquaman was trying to destroy Lex's lab??? What was Lex creating in that lab??? But I guess thatr was honorable as well!

Nospam
01-27-2006, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by BoSoxJim
how has lex been honest about who he is? he tortured and nearly killed aquaman! do you think if lana knew that, she would have anything to do with him. and that is only one of the nasty things he has done.

i don't understand how people can defend lex luthor. i really don't.

clark may have been lying to her since the tornado but he's also been saving her life and everyone else's since day 1.

even the sheriff (who had alot of misgivings at first) kept saying how she wished he was on the force. all of his deeds have been honorable and he's never expected anything in return. name one honorable thing lex luthor has ever done.


He gave Ryan a safe place to stay and filed court papers giving the Kent's temporary custody of him.
When Chloe fell out of the window of the mansion Lex flew the best doctors from Metropolis in to treat her (huge surprise there).
When Martha and Lionel were taken hostage in Insurgence Lex willingly flew Jonathan to Metropolis. OK, he did cause the hostage situation to a certain degree but that was not his intent.
He gave Clark a truck as a thank you for saving his life.
When the Kents put him up after he was kicked out of the mansion Lex worked the farm just like anyone else and he went out of his way to prove himself. Jonathan told him he was welcome back anytime (that would change).
Lex didn't say anything when Clark stole one of Lex's cars for use in a street race.
Lex helped Clark get into the Windgate Club even though their relationship was already falling apart.
Lex entered into a partnership with Lana, a highschool student with no prior business experience, and saved the Talon from demolition.
Lex offered to recompense the Kents for the loss of their cattle when an old enemy of Lex in an attempt to make Lex look bad dumped toxic waste on one of the Kent's fields.
Lex paid off the mortgage to the Kent farm. I don't remember why, mind you.
Lex arranged for the Metropolis Sharks to play in Smallville with Whitney as quarterback to fulfil the dying wish of Whitney's father.
Arranged for a limo and concert tickets for Clark and Lana.


The appeal of Lex is that he's human. He makes mistakes and wants desperately to do what's right. Often that has pushed him to conclude that the end justifies the means. Lex said it best, "The road to darkness is a journey not a lightswtich." Perhaps despite herself, Lana feels she must go to Lex because he's the only one offering to find answers. I don't blame her.

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by BoSoxJim
Dude, you have got to be kidding me.No. They all happened. You can read show recaps at Superman Homepage if you want.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
You actually believe Lex is a good person.Actually, I do not. I believe Lana had good reason to go to him because of those things.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
The defense of Lex toruturing aquaman is completely pathetic. Do you know why aquaman was trying to destroy Lex's lab??? What was Lex creating in that lab??? But I guess thatr was honorable as well! I know why. I know what he made. It was a weapon. It killed fishies. So what? It's a weapon! Of course it killed the fish! How could you expect it to take out a sub and not some fish?


Originally posted by Nospam

Lex paid off the mortgage to the Kent farm. I don't remember why, mind you.The Kents were broke without Clark. Martha noted several times how Jonathan's father had help. They were able to not pay people because of Clark's strength and speed. Without it, they were doomed.

Lex said it would be a good business venture and because he owed them alot. However, he has NEVER hung that deed over their heads.

artax
01-27-2006, 05:29 AM
Well in my opinion Lex being good to clark and everybody close to him for that matter, just makes the character more believable...why?.....hasn't anybody seen lexmax? Thats the perfect answer to why he is so damn evil and conqueror on the comics, he has a reason to be evil, thats why I think smallville is one of the best things that has happened to the mithology of superman.

CristinaSupes79
01-27-2006, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
If I was Clark or Martha, I woul dhave bootedd Lionel out of the funeral.

They don't know about the fight that JK and Lionel had. I can't wait to see what Clark does when he finds out. And I hope it's not some wimpy thing. I want to see Clark kick major ass.


Originally posted by artax
Well in my opinion Lex being good to clark and everybody close to him for that matter, just makes the character more believable...why?.....hasn't anybody seen lexmax? Thats the perfect answer to why he is so damn evil and conqueror on the comics, he has a reason to be evil, thats why I think smallville is one of the best things that has happened to the mithology of superman.

I agree completely. People like Lex who manipulate others, like to kill with kindness. Any good deed Lex does should be taken with a grain of salt. Lionel does the same kind of thing. Lex learned from his father. No good deed goes unpunished and Lex...as Lionel teaches...will collect!

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 05:44 AM
It should also be noted, his behavor didn't resemble his father's until Clark continuously lied to him and his father tried to turn him into a vegetable to avoid a prison sentence.

Pjoto
01-27-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by artax
Well in my opinion Lex being good to clark and everybody close to him for that matter, just makes the character more believable...why?.....hasn't anybody seen lexmax? Thats the perfect answer to why he is so damn evil and conqueror on the comics, he has a reason to be evil, thats why I think smallville is one of the best things that has happened to the mithology of superman.

Agreed.
He is evil in order to protect those he cares the most about.
Same as why Clark lies all the time, to protect those around him.
They are both kinda cornered. Always having to make though dissicions and sacrificing more for a little and so on. I kinda feel bad for them both.

Everyone hates Lex, even Lana, when all he wants to do is save her.
And Lana hates Clark for lying, when in reallity he's saving her life.

Lana really is a selfish *****.

I sincerly hope Chloe kicks Lanas ass with the "You selfish *****! Clark gave up EVERYTHING for you! Even his fathers life!" and smacks her down and jumps on her while she's down. Really, **** you Lana!

But Chloe would never do that, as she wants to keep Clarks promisse..

But we could still hope, atleast I do :)

Btw, me be happy Chloe wasn't the one being burried :p

BeldarofRemulak
01-27-2006, 05:57 AM
Yeah to get back on the original topic....

The look, to me, was a "I can't believe this happened to Clark look" and how she is sooo sad for him. I don not thkn she gave him that look becuase of Lana holding Clarks hand. Chloe is good friend to Clark and the whole Chloe's jealous argument for her motives is bull. Any person can be jealous ...yeah Chloe probably was, but she was mature enough to push aside her feelings and reinforce clark. She told him constantly to tell Lana his secret and when he finally did and propsed she supported him. I dont see any of the "evil jealousy" showing at the present time!...CHLOE ROCKS..

ljkkjlcm9
01-27-2006, 05:58 AM
back to the original topic, i think the whole Chloe look back, is because she's the only one who knows what really happened, that Clark went back and time to save Lana, but now his father died. And at the same time, he lost the person he went back to save. She knows how much pain he's in, and how alone he feels, and there is nothing she can do to change that feeling.

AND, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of scenes and Chloe says little things about how Lana is blind. Lana even said when she had found out the secret, "How many times have you been there saving me, without me knowing?" AS I said to the person I watch it with, probably about 100 (being episode 100 haha). But I can seriously see Chloe being like, Lana, you have no idea how much Clark cares about you. And whether you like it or not, Clark keeps things from you to protect you. You have no idea how much he sacrificed for you!!!

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Pjoto

Same as why Clark lies all the time, to protect those around him.
They are both kinda cornered. Clark is not cornered. He lies because he doesn't trust people. Not even his own friends or girlfriend.


Originally posted by Pjoto
And Lana hates Clark for lying, when in reallity he's saving her life.She doesn't hate Clark. That's an extreme. She just can't be with him when he won't open up to her. Lying to her doesn't save her life. He's covering his own ass.

ljkkjlcm9
01-27-2006, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Clark is not cornered. He lies because he doesn't trust people. Not even his own friends or girlfriend.

She doesn't hate Clark. That's an extreme. She just can't be with him when he won't open up to her. Lying to her doesn't save her life. He's covering his own ass.

No, it's a manipulation by Jor-El. When he finally opens up to her, she dies. It's Jor-El manipulating him into believing he can't tell anyone of they will die. He feels cornered, whether he is or not is a different story. HE trusted Lana, and he still does, he knows she wouldn't tell, but would it lead to her death, well it did once, hence his fear

photogirl
01-27-2006, 06:06 AM
I don't think Chloe's look was one of jealousy, but because she is the only one who knows that it is literally Clark's fault that his dad died!!! She felt horrible, and they'll probably play on that later in the season....

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by ljkkjlcm9
No, it's a manipulation by Jor-El. When he finally opens up to her, she dies. It's Jor-El manipulating him into believing he can't tell anyone of they will die.Mother Knows... Not Dead.
Chloe Knows... Not Dead.
Pete Knows... Not Dead.
Kevin (Memory Wipe Guy) Knows... Not Dead.
Dozens of Meteor Freaks Know... Not Dead.

opera_ghost
01-27-2006, 06:21 AM
I actually looked at that look in a completely different light.

I saw it more as fear.... not anger over it being lana's fault... fear of what this could drive clark to now that his dad is gone.

And what part his feelings for lana will play in that for good or ill.

I thought it was more signifigant that lana and Lionel left the Kent's sides.. at the same time.

ljkkjlcm9
01-27-2006, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Mother Knows... Not Dead.
Chloe Knows... Not Dead.
Pete Knows... Not Dead.
Kevin (Memory Wipe Guy) Knows... Not Dead.
Dozens of Meteor Freaks Know... Not Dead.
yes, but he TOLD Lana, the only person he came out and told himself, self initiated

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 06:27 AM
ok, i went to bed and was so worked up over this i couldn't sleep (sad but true). however, as others have noted, this is not on topic so this will be my last mention of this subject in this this thread



Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
No. They all happened. You can read show recaps at Superman Homepage if you want.

I know all those things happened as I've seen all but this current episode at least 5 times (most over 15 which is even more sad). My comment was meant to convey my disbelief that you thought all of those were honorable deeds.



I know why. I know what he made. It was a weapon. It killed fishies. So what? It's a weapon! Of course it killed the fish! How could you expect it to take out a sub and not some fish?

Maybe you should read your comment over again and rethink it a few times.

If it's no big deal, then why hasn't he told anybody he made the thing. If you will note, it was the last straw for Clark. He gave Lex the benefit of the doubt for the last time in that episode




Lex said it would be a good business venture and because he owed them alot. However, he has NEVER hung that deed over their heads.

Not Yet!


Also, do you think it's a coincidence that as Clark and Lex grew further apart, Lex's attention toward Lana increased??? Hmmm...wonder why?

Everything Lex does has an alterior motive. That's what makes him a Luthor.

ANyway, i'll start another thread to find out why so many people like Lex as I really don't know i'm really not trying to cause a huge commotion, just a little one :p

I mean I love the Sopranos, but I really don't like Tony (as a person if he really were a person).


Well, back to bed (until I get all worked up again!)

KEakaCK
01-27-2006, 06:34 AM
To me, it was a look of sympathy, understanding, caring, and worriness. Chloe knows from first hand experience from Exile, season 3 opener, that Clark has tendency to go over the extreme when dealing with tragedies and know his secret would very well be floating through her mind and worried how Clark will deal with this tragedy. To me, the scene more poigant than that was the scene where you saw Clark and Lana letting go of their hands slowly. To me, that scene symbolized the road to the end of their relationship as a couple.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Mother Knows... Not Dead.
Chloe Knows... Not Dead.
Pete Knows... Not Dead.
Kevin (Memory Wipe Guy) Knows... Not Dead.
Dozens of Meteor Freaks Know... Not Dead.

umm...he told lana and she died. sort of the whole idea of the episode.

plus pete couldn't handle knowing and he said as much. that's why he left .

dozens of meteor freaks know and some are dead and the rest are locked up.

memory wipe guy wipes the memory of everyone so nobody has a clue he knows.

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by ljkkjlcm9
yes, but he TOLD Lana, the only person he came out and told himself, self initiated Really? Because he told Pete.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
My comment was meant to convey my disbelief that you thought all of those were honorable deeds.You said you would explain how they weren't. Yet, you don't.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
[B]Maybe you should read your comment over again and rethink it a few times.

If it's no big deal, then why hasn't he told anybody he made the thing. If you will note, it was the last straw for Clark. He gave Lex the benefit of the doubt for the last time in that episodeHe told the government. He told the army. You do not tell such information to college kids.

Lex: "Hey, Clark."
Clark: "Hi, Lex. What's up."
Lex: "I'm building a top secret weapon for the military that can destroy subs underwater. Wanna check it out?"

No. No. No. No!


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
Not Yet!He's had since the start of season 3. He's yet to screw them over.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
Also, do you think it's a coincidence that as Clark and Lex grew further apart, Lex's attention toward Lana increased??? Hmmm...wonder why?The more they grew apart, the more his interest in Clark's secrets increased. He often helped Lana at first because Clark liked her and Clark asked him to. Afterwards, he helped her because they were friends.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
Everything Lex does has an alterior motive. That's what makes him a Luthor.Can you actually debate or just say the opposite? Myself and another person listed tons of things Lex did that did not have an alterior motive.

ljkkjlcm9
01-27-2006, 06:48 AM
pete saw his ship

as for lex examples, anything before like, season 3, disregard because he was genuinely a good person at first

SuperTal
01-27-2006, 06:52 AM
That was a sad look because she knows how much Clark, whom she still loves, feels.

Notice the camera focused on Chloe and not on Lois??

I say it's time for Chloe and Clark to date, while Lana and Lex go at it!!

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by BoSoxJim
dozens of meteor freaks know and some are dead and the rest are locked up.

memory wipe guy wipes the memory of everyone so nobody has a clue he knows. But, they still know.


Originally posted by BoSoxJim
plus pete couldn't handle knowing and he said as much. that's why he left He told him and Pete didn't die. Pete could handle knowing. Pete said he couldn't handle the pressure to not slip up. He lied though. It was mostly because the FBI agent whipped his ass and he was like, "Screw this."

Chloe knows. Clark told her. Sure, she crawled in, but he still told her.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Really? Because he told Pete.

You said you would explain how they weren't. Yet, you don't.

He told the government. He told the army. You do not tell such information to college kids.

Lex: "Hey, Clark."
Clark: "Hi, Lex. What's up."
Lex: "I'm building a top secret weapon for the military that can destroy subs underwater. Wanna check it out?"

No. No. No. No!

He's had since the start of season 3. He's yet to screw them over.

The more they grew apart, the more his interest in Clark's secrets increased. He often helped Lana at first because Clark liked her and Clark asked him to. Afterwards, he helped her because they were friends.

Can you actually debate or just say the opposite? Myself and another person listed tons of things Lex did that did not have an alterior motive.

OK, maybe you have a little trouble with understanding. I said I would start another thread to discuss this as we are so far off-topic it is not funny. It won't be in the episode discussion area though, it will be in the character discussion area.

I can debate quite well actually as you will find out later.

I also said I was going to bed as it's 9:00 AM where I am and I actually require sleep.

I'll watch the episode again as should you but I serioiusly doubt he told the army the truth about the weapon and how it destroys all marine life within a large area, not just a few little fishies as you put it.

And even if he did, it shows what Lex is really made of and it ain't good.

It's good to see that you have such a low regard of life (which includes more than humans, btw).

Like I said, I'll get to all of your wonderous good deeds later. I will concede that bad people can do good things sometimes (when it suits their interests).

I really can't believe I have to have this discussion though.

ImissVancouver
01-27-2006, 07:17 AM
i completely believe that look Chloe gave was of sympathy & maybe disbelief or shock, i mean it is Pa Kent!!!!!! i think it would have been cool if Pete came back to Smallville just for the funeral, well in my world, it would have been that way!

johnny fogg
01-27-2006, 07:35 AM
This is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S.

She loves Clark. She didn't say one thing when he heard Clark proposed. She even gave him a ludicrous pep talk because she was so happy that he at least told Lana the truth.

If anybody is still out there who hates Chloe and thinks she's stupid and wants her to die because LANA is so superior, I got news: Any intelligent person can recognize she's the smartest, most well-developed person on the show whose emotions actually MAKE SENSE. Er, well...they DID...back when she had more screen time.

And I'm not some Lana-hater. Lana is just fetishized and really...phew, I mean REALLY badly-written sometimes. Maybe in SV's world the best thing you're allowed to expect from an actress can achieve is a pair of fake guns, but someone like Chloe is pretty rare, a versatile character who can go from tough to supportative to vulnerable. I'm sorry but kicking her around is just cold hearted!:(

Billy Jor-El
01-27-2006, 08:04 AM
The only thing I got from Chloe's look was a sense that she was sad for the burden that Clark carries. At first she didn't believe "I've done this all before" rap until Clark predicts the flowers, the wrong number, the staff firing ("...how's this for the Wall of Weird?"). Then, of course, Chloe understood that it had happened, and what had happened. Then she sees what happens the second time around, that Clark had the chance to change things, only to have his Dad die this time. She has to be the one person/the only person who can truly offer sympathy towards him (I question CK told Martha why it transpired the way it did).

As for Lana knowing the secret and that causing her danger, I don't see it as much now, but in the future as Superman. Any of the villains would hold Superman's mortal love hostage and threaten to kill her just to control Supes. In Smallville? There shouldn't be so much concern of her safety. But the Butterfly Effect again....no matter what Clark tried to do to keep Lana safe (with Chloe looking out for her), she still ended up on Route 40 at that fateful moment. Detiny is hard to control, consequences are paid. I shall cease ranting now... :)

Superman/Clark Kent
01-27-2006, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
As for Lana knowing the secret and that causing her danger, I don't see it as much now, but in the future as Superman. Any of the villains would hold Superman's mortal love hostage and threaten to kill her just to control Supes. In Smallville? There shouldn't be so much concern of her safety.As Superman, it's still not a problem.

Lana Lang would be known as Clark Kent's wife, not Superman's girlfriend.

Lois Lane on the other hand, has a known relationship with Superman. Everyone knows they have/had something going on in the TV show, cartoons, comics, and movies. Lex Luthor even told Zod, if you grab her, he will come.

AnimeJoe
01-27-2006, 09:29 AM
There's NO reason why the handholding should have bothered Chloe all that much because all through season 5 she's witnessed them being lovey dovey with each other with kissing, hugging, and even wearing each other's clothes *the morning after* ;).. She's had sex talks with Clark and he told her that he proposed to Lana.

If ANYONE had any reason to be upset over Lana holding Clark's hand it would have to be Lex.. Cause if he had played his cards right, it could have been Lex and Clark holding hands ;)

bluegayle
01-27-2006, 09:36 AM
i thought it was a look of sadness, not jealousy.

sad for clark because he lost his dad. sad because chloe knows what clark just did for lana, and he can't do the same for his dad.

it reminds me of that fanfic (on this site) where chloe and clark were married and chloe died and clark/superman couldn't do anything about it.

kryptonguy
01-27-2006, 10:24 AM
I think Chloe may be the only other person that knows that Clark told Lana his secret and what ensued. Martha knows that Clark went back to save Lana, but I am led to believe that Clark sort of omitted that part of the story.

I think her look was one of sorrow. She knows what is going through his head. She knows what he did, and she knows that whether it is true or not he is going to blame himself. Basiclly she knows that Clark is inconsolable at this time. Lana will try, fail, and feel hurt because of it.

I think (or at least hope) we have seen the end of Clark dumping all of his emotions on Chloe (especially about Lana). I however see Lana bothering Chloe more. Complaining about not being able to get in and comfort Clark.

I hope that Lana pushes Chloe over the edge, and Chloe blows up in her face, and maybe explain a little about what Clark had to go through that day.

blue freak
01-27-2006, 10:52 AM
i had no feeling of jealousy from the look.

Lara Lane
01-27-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by kryptonguy
I think her look was one of sorrow. She knows what is going through his head. She knows what he did, and she knows that whether it is true or not he is going to blame himself. Basiclly she knows that Clark is inconsolable at this time. Lana will try, fail, and feel hurt because of it.

I totally agree with you. Chloe is not the kind of person that in that moment would feel jealousy. Come on, she's sharing a room with Lana! She wouldn't do that if she were that selfish!

Chloe is smart, she's always analysing things and situations, I don't know what has going in her head, but it was not jealousy.

Liriel
01-27-2006, 11:17 AM
I didn't see a drop of jealousy at the funeral scene.

I think Chloe was just really sad for Clark because he's sad and because she probably knows he's blaming himself. I'd love to see them talk about it during the next episode, but I was glad this ep ended with just Clark and Martha there.

SVSpector
01-27-2006, 11:44 AM
Chloe's look was because she knows Clark will hold the burden of his fathers death on his shoulders. Knowing the whole story she also knows he will let Lana go than to risk her life in the future. Her look was a look of compassion because she knows Clark can be the most noble person and there is nothing she can do to comfort him.

JAMHEXXX
01-27-2006, 11:45 AM
You are right, it was just a sympathetic look back to her best friend when he was hurting deeply.

It was also the perfect way to end the show with Clark alone by his fathers casket, with his mother off to the side a bit. Him feeling alone, yet his mother is there waiting.

BadToad
01-27-2006, 11:55 AM
Oh, how I wished that it would've been Chloe by Clark's side, holding his hand. I think her presence would've been so much more comforting to him in that moment, IMO

Ladyhawk
01-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Lex paid off the mortgage to the Kent farm. I don't remember why, mind you.

I believe this was after Lex was saved from the Island (Exile?) that he came up to JK and gave him the check, JK was going to refuse and Lex shows him the compass JK gave him as a wedding present "you saved my life (or something to that affect) this compass led me to safe harbor, the least you can do is let me help save your farm".

No-El
01-27-2006, 01:01 PM
No jealously on Chloe's part, that was not the impression I got as both Lois and Chloe turned their heads to look back and then turn their heads at the same time away from Clark and Lana.

What Chloe and Lois missed as Lana realeasing her hand first from Clark and walking away!

All about Clark
01-27-2006, 01:20 PM
Chloe knows the burdens he has and knows there's no way to console him. It was very touching.

I liked your comments ljkkjlcm9, I thought they were accurate.

No-El
01-27-2006, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by johnny fogg
This is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S.

She loves Clark. She didn't say one thing when he heard Clark proposed. She even gave him a ludicrous pep talk because she was so happy that he at least told Lana the truth.

If anybody is still out there who hates Chloe and thinks she's stupid and wants her to die because LANA is so superior, I got news: Any intelligent person can recognize she's the smartest, most well-developed person on the show whose emotions actually MAKE SENSE. Er, well...they DID...back when she had more screen time.

And I'm not some Lana-hater. Lana is just fetishized and really...phew, I mean REALLY badly-written sometimes. Maybe in SV's world the best thing you're allowed to expect from an actress can achieve is a pair of fake guns, but someone like Chloe is pretty rare, a versatile character who can go from tough to supportative to vulnerable. I'm sorry but kicking her around is just cold hearted!:(



Word!

Plus a sensible rebuke to all haters out there!:mad:

KristinIsAwesome
01-27-2006, 02:32 PM
I thought the whole funeral scene was great and the Chloe look back was nice, cuz you knew that she felt sorry for all the events that have befell Clark. The only part about the funeral scene that I liked ebtter, was thet Lex was in the backround watching and paying his respects. They did that brilliantly. Clark didnt see him, but he was there.

KkLana1
01-27-2006, 03:00 PM
she always gave that look. you don't know if that look is a sad look or she might have been jealous but lois was looking at them too so.

she always gave that look. you don't know if that look is a sad look or she might have been jealous but lois was looking at them too so.

ImaVirus
01-27-2006, 03:04 PM
I took the scene as her feeeling sad for Clark's loss and the fact that she knows what he did and what he gave up for that choice. I saw no jealousy at all. Pure sad love for the BDA.

KkLana1
01-27-2006, 03:05 PM
she always gave that look. you don't know if that look is a sad look or she might have been jealous but lois was looking at them too so.

No-El
01-27-2006, 03:11 PM
No one feels more, and sympathizes more than Chloe in this funeral scene!

Christine C
01-27-2006, 03:28 PM
Chloe's look back is her feeling bad for Clark. She see's his expression, and how he won't even look at Lana, she knows what he's feeling, and somehow wishes she could be comforting him.

Chloe's look back is her feeling bad for Clark. She see's his expression, and how he won't even look at Lana, she knows what he's feeling, and somehow wishes she could be comforting him.

jaime,oburg
01-27-2006, 03:58 PM
Chloe's bestfriend's father just died, she's at the man's funeral. Of course there is going to be hurt in Chloe's eyes. Lois pretty much had the same expression. Jealousy? No way. One would have to be reading that into the scene. Chloe isn't thinking about Lana or anything else except the grief she is feeling for Clark. She loves the Kents like they were her own family. Her best friend is grieving, so is she. She understands how all of what occurred is tearing Clark up inside. Great performance by Allison!

:)

No-El
01-27-2006, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Chloe's bestfriend's father just died, she's at the man's funeral. Of course there is going to be hurt in Chloe's eyes. Lois pretty much had the same expression. Jealousy? No way. One would have to be reading that into the scene. Chloe isn't thinking about Lana or anything else except the grief she is feeling for Clark. She loves the Kents like they were her own family. Her best friend is grieving, so is she. She understands how all of what occurred is tearing Clark up inside. Great performance by Allison!

:)


Yes, with performance like that and portrayal of Chloe, that scene came across as heartfelt!!

Wish tptb read these statements re: Allison's Chloe!:(

chloisfan1
01-27-2006, 04:27 PM
I think the significance of the camera focusing on Chloe's look was to remind audience of the different relationship that she has with Clark v. the one he has with Lana--- Lana, who is "standing by her man" in the scene, holding his hand, and coulda/woulda ("shoulda" omitted purposefully here) been his life partner/soulmate. In other words, Lana can hold his hand and feel bad about this horrible tragedy, but Chloe knows the true depth of the pain/the full story and she feels for Clark at a different level because of that. For me it emphasized/symbolized the superficial relationship that Clark has with Lana, rather than any specific Chloe thing.

No-El
01-27-2006, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by chloisfan1
I think the significance of the camera focusing on Chloe's look was to remind audience of the different relationship that she has with Clark v. the one he has with Lana--- Lana, who is "standing by her man" in the scene, holding his hand, and coulda/woulda ("shoulda" omitted purposefully here) been his life partner/soulmate. In other words, Lana can hold his hand and feel bad about this horrible tragedy, but Chloe knows the true depth of the pain/the full story and she feels for Clark at a different level because of that. For me it emphasized/symbolized the superficial relationship that Clark has with Lana, rather than any specific Chloe thing.


Beautiful observation and sentiment of Chloe.

PATMAN
01-27-2006, 04:47 PM
How could it be jealousy? She was looking at Clark with the same looks, after Lana was gone. She felt bad for Clark because he went back to save his fiancee, lost her, and lost his dad. Its worst then just losing Lana

No-El
01-27-2006, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by PATMAN
How could it be jealousy? She was looking at Clark with the same looks, after Lana was gone. She felt bad for Clark because he went back to save his fiancee, lost her, and lost his dad. Its worst then just losing Lana

Right

It was the pain Chloe felt for Clark!

MyOwnSuperhero
01-27-2006, 05:15 PM
I think Chloe's look (brilliantly acted by AM, as usual) contained a lot more than can be summed up in a few words.

Did it contain jealousy? Possibly - she knows that Clark had told Lana, even proposed to her. Considering Chloe's long standing, unrequited love for Clark, there might very well have been some sense that Lana was undeserving of what she'd caused Clark to sacrifice.

Did it contain compassion? Of course. Not only has her best friend just lost his father, she knows the whole story. Aside from herself and Clark, there's not a single person who understands the depth of loss that Clark was experiencing.

Did it contain hope for future Chlark? I'm fairly sure it might have. After all, Clark had already told her that he and Lana had had their last fight. If Lana doesn't know the secret and they break up, why wouldn't Chloe feel hopeful? She DOES know, and there exists at leasts the possibility for Chlark. (Yay for Chlark!)

See, now that's the emotional load of three major issues all rolled into one look, and there are surely others involved as well.

savingpeoplething
01-27-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by MyOwnSuperhero

Did it contain hope for future Chlark? I'm fairly sure it might have. After all, Clark had already told her that he and Lana had had their last fight. If Lana doesn't know the secret and they break up, why wouldn't Chloe feel hopeful? She DOES know, and there exists at leasts the possibility for Chlark. (Yay for Chlark!)



I would agree that the look back could hold out future for a Clark/Chloe relationship. If not, it would be another wasted opportunity by the writers.
I'm all for the Clark/Lois permanent situation when it comes, but I would really love to see them capitalize on the letter from "Fever".
This could be the start of Clark finally realizing how great she is. The funeral scene with Chloe (and Lois :) ) walking away was such a gorgeous moment. The whole season has been filled of great (what I perceive to be) romantic moments between the two and this was such a beautiful one in my book.
Clark might finally be able to see passed Lana now and focus on the other people in his life a little more.
But, then again, it could have just been a sympathetic, concerned, and compasionate look from his best friend.

chrismalicdem05
01-27-2006, 06:15 PM
yea the last scene was fantastic, so sad though.. but about chloe, i realy dont think it had anything to do wiht her feelings for clark, well maybe feelings in a sense that shes sad to see him lose his fatehr and also that perhaps he choose lana over mr kent so to speak, but not feelings of 'o they are holding hands' jealousy type thing...

SamBanksJLA
01-27-2006, 11:23 PM
Does anyone think that Clark may revert back to using some Red Kryptonite because some of his situation? I could go for another Red K Clark episode.

BoSoxJim
01-27-2006, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
Does anyone think that Clark may revert back to using some Red Kryptonite because some of his situation? I could go for another Red K Clark episode.

they can call the episode "How Clark Got His Groove Back" If they ever used more than one word for an episode.

actually, this could refuse some of Kal-els mojo into clark and thus make it more likely he will fly to some extent somewhere in the near future although that would go against the "no flight" creedo.

Morbo
01-27-2006, 11:49 PM
I would love to see Red Chloe slap Lana around.

I wouldn't mind if Chloe and Clark hook up and Lana figures out Chloe know his secret. (awkwardness ensues)

SamBanksJLA
01-28-2006, 12:30 AM
"although that would go against the "no flight" creedo"


I think we have allready passed the point of no return on that one. We've all seen him fly, so that doens't apply anymore. They can't use that excuse anymore.

SamBanksJLA
01-28-2006, 05:20 AM
Anyone looking forward to some more graveyard scenes?

I can see some happening. Clark being at the gravesite greiving, and maybe Pete or someone from the past walks up behind him.

lastdaughterofkrypton
01-28-2006, 07:55 PM
I think the look was because only hse nad Martha knws hoe muc is he really suffering. He not only lost his dad he losted because of something HE DID and I think she is thinking that he needs her more than ever like the time when Alicia died she told him that he can count of her. She knows he is going to go trough a super crisis.
BTW
We will have more graveyard scenes I think Lionel will die at Lex hands at the end of the season and Chloe would at some point of season six or seven depends on the ratings.

No-El
01-28-2006, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
I think the look was because only hse nad Martha knws hoe muc is he really suffering. He not only lost his dad he losted because of something HE DID and I think she is thinking that he needs her more than ever like the time when Alicia died she told him that he can count of her. She knows he is going to go trough a super crisis.
BTW
We will have more graveyard scenes I think Lionel will die at Lex hands at the end of the season and Chloe would at some point of season six or seven depends on the ratings.


Sadly yes I think but hope not for Chloe!:(

opera_ghost
01-28-2006, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
Does anyone think that Clark may revert back to using some Red Kryptonite because some of his situation? I could go for another Red K Clark episode.

Doesn't even have to be Red K induced... just the grief over the loss of his father... and the role he had in that. (Dispite his mother flat out telling him it wasn't his fault.).. that would be enough to push CK to his breaking point.. w/o the lack of inhibitions that Red K has given him in the series.

(Something that continuity wise does bug me to a certain extent.. but I can forgive because at least once they set a rule down.. they didn't break it. *In reguards to Red K.*)

OutlawAngel
01-28-2006, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Clark is not cornered. He lies because he doesn't trust people. Not even his own friends or girlfriend.

She doesn't hate Clark. That's an extreme. She just can't be with him when he won't open up to her. Lying to her doesn't save her life. He's covering his own ass.


But think about it. Clark has very good reasons to lie and have trust issues. Think about what owuld of happend to him if he ever really did tell Lex. Sure while in Smallville it would not make a difference but once Lex starts turning it would be just like in Onyx. Lex would go to extreme measure's to use Clark. And then Lana obviously ended up not being the best with that secret. No she didnt tell Lex but Lex knew that Lana must know what Clark is hiding since Lex knows how much Lana cant stand Clark keeping things from her. And for geesh sakes look at what happend to Pete and how many times did Martha and/or Jonathan get used by people who were after Clark.

I really cant blame Clark for being secretive.

SamBanksJLA
01-28-2006, 10:40 PM
But what do you think would have happened if Clark told Lex when they very first met? It could have changed Lex's whole life.

SmallvilleMan
01-28-2006, 10:40 PM
The only reason, like i've said before that lana doesn't know the secret, is because of the danger. Lana did nothing to give away the secret, but lex isn't an idiot. He knows that Chloe knows clark's secret, that the kents know and he probably knew that pete knew. Lana can be trusted with the secret, because like chloe, she would die for clark.

heatvision=CK+CS
01-28-2006, 10:53 PM
Ummm Hummm, I was crying though the whole episode, my best guy friend said even he almost cryed:( *awwww*

But I will be looking foward to the next episode hoping everything turns out.....Not as sad:(

SamBanksJLA
01-28-2006, 10:57 PM
I'm not so sure that Lana would die for Clark. Chloe either. I think Pete would though. But I'm not convinced that the girls would.

Nospam
01-28-2006, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I'm not so sure that Lana would die for Clark. Chloe either. I think Pete would though. But I'm not convinced that the girls would.

Chloe said she would die to protect Clark's secret and I believe her. Lana, maybe. It's hard to say as we only got to see her reaction to Clark's secret for a short time.

SamBanksJLA
01-28-2006, 11:58 PM
But Chloe has said many things before and seemed truthful, and turned out not to be.

OutlawAngel
01-29-2006, 12:09 AM
Anyway though I think the look on Chloe's face was just great sadness knowing what Clark had done and knowing that Clark will for now and possibly always blame himself for his dads death.

And Lois also looked just generally sad. Lois has said before that Jonathan was the father she always wanted and no doubt after living with that Kent's for on and off for over a year and working with Jonathan on his campaign no doubt she probably feel's alot of pain and sadness not only for losing Jonathan but for Clark and Martha as well.

I am glad we got a look at all the different characters reactions including the Luther's.

SamBanksJLA
01-29-2006, 12:12 AM
Yeah, that was great. A.O'Toole did a great job letting her emotion out. Some of it may have had to do with knowing she won't be working with Schneider anymore.

OutlawAngel
01-29-2006, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
Yeah, that was great. A.O'Toole did a great job letting her emotion out. Some of it may have had to do with knowing she won't be working with Schneider anymore.

Oh yes as of right now AoT is my favorite actress. Anyone who can have me sobbing over a tv show deserves that spot for me. I have never cried so hard over a tv death and for the character's surrounding that death.

Anette's acting plus how the makeup people were so great at making her look so much older than she usually does was genius and a great way to show us how much Jonathan's death took a toll on her.

And I imagine the actors did get help with the alst few scene's by knowing they werent going to work with Schneider again. I know it has been said before that Smallville has the closest cast when it comes to getting along. It just seems like an incredibly nice and fun group of people and losing one of them cant be easy at all.

SamBanksJLA
01-29-2006, 12:34 AM
The only time I cried was at the end of 'Memoria' and AoT was involved. It was the loft scene at the end where Clark and Martha are talking about Clark remembering who his birth mother was and that he can't believe that he forgot about her. And Martha said that he didn't, that his forst word was Lara.
With the song playing, and their acting, and my own personal experience with my own mother dying at such a young age, I just broke down. It was such a emotional scene.

jmf1
01-29-2006, 06:56 AM
Chloe's look back to Clark was from a woman with a heavy heart. Her best friend's father just died and she knows the sacrifice Clark made. She see's Lana walking away. Chloe knows Clark made the sacrifice and he's still going to lose Lana. Clana is dead. She knows Clark will always love Lana too. She just feels a lot of empathy for him. Jealous? Nope. Not a hint of that. And, Lois, she knows the pain in her own heart of JK being gone. She knows this loss will be even greater to Clark and her look is out of love and concern for Clark as well.

ARealClarkKent
01-29-2006, 10:22 AM
I think her look back was kind of like she felt bad for all the pain Clark had experienced in the past few hours. First pure joy, saddness and even more saddness.

No-El
01-29-2006, 12:18 PM
I believe Chloe's concern for Clark will override her instinct of self preservation, more so than Lana. But, Pete more than anyone else!

Still, I believe Chloe's love even reflected in her expression at the funeral will make any future sacrifice for Clark noble!

boygenius
01-29-2006, 12:36 PM
I think Chloe understands the difficulty of being Clark Kent and the burden of his secret.

I think Chloe still has feelings for Clark but that look was more like can't he get a little break.

No-El
01-29-2006, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by boygenius
I think Chloe understands the difficulty of being Clark Kent and the burden of his secret.

I think Chloe still has feelings for Clark but that look was more like can't he get a little break.


We will find out how much she desires Clark to have that break from the difficulty of being him!

And hopefully we will see Chloe express her compassion to him!

Clarks Blue Eyed Angel
01-29-2006, 03:41 PM
I don't think Chloe was jealous of Lana at all. I thought that look she gave looked more worried and heartbroken. Heartbroken for Clark, because she knows how close he was with his dad, and how hard this is going to be on him. And worried, because Chloe was the only one there (where the hell was Pete??! He couldn't drive down for the funeral???) besides Martha who knows Clark's secret. And she knows that Clark is going to be blaming himself, because with all his abilities, he was unable to save his dad.

Not to mention the fact that Clark's decision directly resulted in his father's death. He chose to save Lana, and I don't think he regrets that (nor should he) but it caused Jonathon to die.

Certainly it wasn't Lana's fault, but for one of those two characters to live (Lana and Jon) the other HAD to die. When Lana died, Jon stopped on the side of the road to comfort Clark, and therefore never made it home, didn't meet with Lionel, get upset over that picture and have a massive heart attack. When Lana lived, Jon made it home (that was the significance of Lana watching Jon drive by in slow mo... he was going to his death, since he didn't stop for her accident) and ended up dead. It was no one's fault really, but the truth of the matter is that Clark had a choice to make. He chose to save Lana, and sadly his father was the price. Clark will live with that for the rest of his life. I think Chloe realizes this, and knowing Clark like she does, she knows how that will eat at him. I think she was looking back at him and her heart was breaking knowing the battle he has ahead of him, with his own guilt. My heart was breaking for him too.

And as far as Chloe looking jealous or upset that Clark was holding hands with Lana, I think you're confusing the funeral scene from Crush with this one. Chloe hasn't shown jealousy or contempt for Clana in a long, long time. True, I think her near teary reaction to the news that they were engaged proves that she still has feelings for him, but Chloe has been nothing but supportive of Clark and his feelings for Lana lately. She's been a stand-up friend, and I don't see that changing just because Clark and Lana held hands. (For the record, it looked like more Lana's doing than Clark's, he didn't even seem to notice she was there until she moved her hand to leave). And if Chloe could withstand the knowledge that they've slept together, I don't think handholding will cause her to crack.

No-El
01-29-2006, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Clarks Blue Eyed Angel
I don't think Chloe was jealous of Lana at all. I thought that look she gave looked more worried and heartbroken. Heartbroken for Clark, because she knows how close he was with his dad, and how hard this is going to be on him. And worried, because Chloe was the only one there (where the hell was Pete??! He couldn't drive down for the funeral???) besides Martha who knows Clark's secret. And she knows that Clark is going to be blaming himself, because with all his abilities, he was unable to save his dad.

Not to mention the fact that Clark's decision directly resulted in his father's death. He chose to save Lana, and I don't think he regrets that (nor should he) but it caused Jonathon to die.

Certainly it wasn't Lana's fault, but for one of those two characters to live (Lana and Jon) the other HAD to die. When Lana died, Jon stopped on the side of the road to comfort Clark, and therefore never made it home, didn't meet with Lionel, get upset over that picture and have a massive heart attack. When Lana lived, Jon made it home (that was the significance of Lana watching Jon drive by in slow mo... he was going to his death, since he didn't stop for her accident) and ended up dead. It was no one's fault really, but the truth of the matter is that Clark had a choice to make. He chose to save Lana, and sadly his father was the price. Clark will live with that for the rest of his life. I think Chloe realizes this, and knowing Clark like she does, she knows how that will eat at him. I think she was looking back at him and her heart was breaking knowing the battle he has ahead of him, with his own guilt. My heart was breaking for him too.

And as far as Chloe looking jealous or upset that Clark was holding hands with Lana, I think you're confusing the funeral scene from Crush with this one. Chloe hasn't shown jealousy or contempt for Clana in a long, long time. True, I think her near teary reaction to the news that they were engaged proves that she still has feelings for him, but Chloe has been nothing but supportive of Clark and his feelings for Lana lately. She's been a stand-up friend, and I don't see that changing just because Clark and Lana held hands. (For the record, it looked like more Lana's doing than Clark's, he didn't even seem to notice she was there until she moved her hand to leave). And if Chloe could withstand the knowledge that they've slept together, I don't think handholding will cause her to crack.



Your last statement is testiment to Chloe's loyalty as "Best Friend and Confidant" to Clark!:)

Pete's absence was a deliberate smack in the face to a well liked character and fans by the Goul. And speaks volumes to the real insensitivity of DC and Al/miles!:mad:

Ares
01-29-2006, 04:47 PM
I think she was just sad..

umm
01-29-2006, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Ares
I think she was just sad..

Yeah, and plus I think she was looking back to see in what state of mind Clark was in! Like she was making sure whether she should leave Clark to himself or go and offer support! Either way, I donŽt think it was a ŽI am jalous of LanaŽ kind of a look, but rather an I hope Clark will be O.K and if he ever needs anything IŽll be there for himŽkind of a look! Which is great, cos it shows how good of an friend she is too him! I mean besides Martha, Chloe is the only one who knows the whole story and how Clark feels about it and why he feels so guilty, so yeah, I think we will see a lot more of Chloe being there for Clark in the future!

puddinpiester
01-29-2006, 05:07 PM
I like the person Chloe has grown into. I emphasize "grown." She's the kind of friend that most people would love to have. Hopefully, Clark will realize what a jewel he has in her. Not that they have to get romantic, but just being good friends will be a huge comfort for him should he decide to take advantage of her friendship. I hope Clark can be there for Chloe when she needs a friend and confidant. He must become less absorbed with his Lana thing in order to be there for his newly widowed mother, his friend, Chloe, and the world. Maybe, the new Clark we've been promised will truly be a new Clark. Chloe will push him to be all he can be because she thinks so much of him. Lana can't.

No-El
01-29-2006, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by umm
Yeah, and plus I think she was looking back to see in what state of mind Clark was in! Like she was making sure whether she should leave Clark to himself or go and offer support! Either way, I donŽt think it was a ŽI am jalous of LanaŽ kind of a look, but rather an I hope Clark will be O.K and if he ever needs anything IŽll be there for himŽkind of a look! Which great, cos it shows how good of an friend she is too him! I mean besides Martha, Chloe is the only one who knows the whole story and how Clark feels about it and why he feels so guilty, so yeah, I think we will see a lot more of Chloe being there for Clark in the future!


Yes!

That is just what is was umm, a look back for support in sadness and concern for her "Best Friend"!

I don't see how anyone infer Chloe jealous on a sad occassion as that???:confused: :mad: :( :confused:

clois1938
01-30-2006, 10:40 AM
I don't know about you guys, but that look that Chloe turned around and gave at Clark and Lana while she was leaving the funeral with Lois bothered me.
I agree, it was the same sad face as when Clark told her he had proposed to Lana and she said yes.

No-El
01-30-2006, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by clois1938
I agree, it was the same sad face as when Clark told her he had proposed to Lana and she said yes.


Of course, Chloe gives the same look with different interpretations!!:(

Watching Smallville
01-30-2006, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by clois1938
I agree, it was the same sad face as when Clark told her he had proposed to Lana and she said yes.
Aw, I didn't see that way at all. :( I saw both Chloe and Lois looking back at someone they cared about who was going through great pain. It was one of the most poignant moments in the show. Just pure affection and concern -- it was interesting that they both had the same expression. Great acting from both of them, showing not only their family connection, but the similarity in their emotional support for Clark.

No-El
01-30-2006, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Lana_Lang #1
I 100% agree with what is posted above. Chloe's and Lois' looks were filled with concern and affection for Clark. Clark was going through a great pain and there was nothing they could do for him to help him heal the hole in his heart.

I



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Lana_Lang #1
01-30-2006, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Aw, I didn't see that way at all. :( I saw both Chloe and Lois looking back at someone they cared about who was going through great pain. It was one of the most poignant moments in the show. Just pure affection and concern -- it was interesting that they both had the same expression. Great acting from both of them, showing not only their family connection, but the similarity in their emotional support for Clark.

I, personally 100% agree with what is posted above. Chloe's and Lois' looks were filled with concern and affection for Clark. Clark was going through a great pain and there was nothing they could do.

My eyes filled with tears during the scenes with Martha and Clark. Especially when the "I Grieve" by Peter Gabriel came on. The funeral brought up so much in me, and it brought me back to a memory.

I'd seen that look before, in real life. I had done exactly what Chloe and Lois did, glancing back to look a friend in pain.

The symbolism of doing that is a "I know you need to be alone right now, but if you need me I'm here for you, if you need anything. I'm not going anywhere"

That is a look on Clark's face was one of deep sadness, acceptance and it's a brave face.

One of my best friend's father who died of a heart attack. I went with him to the funeral for moral support and he just stood there, he didn't cry.

I could feel his pain inside of me, I could sense his grief and there was nothing I could do for him to help him heal the hole in his heart.

When I looked into his face and his blue eyes...That look on his face that said "I've just lost a piece of my heart, a piece of my soul, things will never be the same again".

I'll never forget that look. :(

After that funeral scene my heart was crying.

Watching Smallville
01-30-2006, 11:22 AM
Exactly what I was thinking. Helplessness, in knowing you can't really do anything but stand by and be there if needed.

I've had the same experience, Lana_Lang #1.

FireFemme
01-30-2006, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by clois1938
I agree, it was the same sad face as when Clark told her he had proposed to Lana and she said yes.
It was the same look. When he told her about the proposal, she was heartbroken (for the billionth time, poor thing). And Chloe is in love with Clark, so when Clark is heartbroken (over his dad's death) then Chloe is heartbroken too because she feels his pain (as all people who are in love do). Both looks are the same, just for different reasons, and it has NOTHING to do with Lana (why does EVERYONE and their dog have to make everything about Lana or include her in some way, the world does not revolve around Lana).

SOnMyChest
01-30-2006, 12:21 PM
Chloe looked back at the one person she thought was invulnerable. and she now sees his weakness.

Flight_Without_Wings
01-30-2006, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
The only reason, like i've said before that lana doesn't know the secret, is because of the danger. Lana did nothing to give away the secret, but lex isn't an idiot. He knows that Chloe knows clark's secret, that the kents know and he probably knew that pete knew. Lana can be trusted with the secret, because like chloe, she would die for clark.

Lets's see about this. In 100 episodes, Clark has had to save Lana in around 80-90 of them sometimes twice an episode. How much more danger could she possibly get in???

No-El
01-30-2006, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by FireFemme
It was the same look. When he told her about the proposal, she was heartbroken (for the billionth time, poor thing). And Chloe is in love with Clark, so when Clark is heartbroken (over his dad's death) then Chloe is heartbroken too because she feels his pain (as all people who are in love do). Both looks are the same, just for different reasons, and it has NOTHING to do with Lana (why does EVERYONE and their dog have to make everything about Lana or include her in some way, the world does not revolve around Lana).

It was a oneness shared that Chloe has for the closest person in her life and it is Clark!

YES!

How could she not FEEL and BE ONE with him in his hour of mourning?

johnny fogg
01-30-2006, 01:34 PM
Let's agree that 99% of people know she was sad for Clark at the funeral, and the vindictive 1% want to bulldoze Chloe to pave way for Clois/Clana and want her to die. Die, accursed three-dimensional character, die!:p

Kidding, but really, this kind of Chloe sentiment is really outdated. She LOST, people, all right? She gave up Clark a year ago. Call off the dogs.

No-El
01-30-2006, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by johnny fogg
Let's agree that 99% of people know she was sad for Clark at the funeral, and the vindictive 1% want to bulldoze Chloe to pave way for Clois/Clana and want her to die. Die, accursed three-dimensional character, die!:p

Kidding, but really, this kind of Chloe sentiment is really outdated. She LOST, people, all right? She gave up Clark a year ago. Call off the dogs.


She may have given up on Clark on a romantic level but that does not negate her feelings of sadness to his grief and lose of family.

She in fact is still his BEST FRIEND! That alone qualifies her to grieve with Clark in his sad hour!

Lara Lane
01-30-2006, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by johnny fogg
Let's agree that 99% of people know she was sad for Clark at the funeral, and the vindictive 1% want to bulldoze Chloe to pave way for Clois/Clana and want her to die. Die, accursed three-dimensional character, die!:p

Agreed. As I said, Chloe is not that selfish.

And take the Cloisers out of that 1%. Please, We Cloisers love Chloe! Or at least the 99% do... oh here we go again :lol:

No-El
01-30-2006, 03:39 PM
"Here we go again" is right!!

***********!Shipper Wars!***********

SamIam
01-30-2006, 06:33 PM
I think the look was a combination of factors, mostly because there are probably a million things flying through her head. (yes including the angst over the mixed bag of pining and jealousy and frustration, not to mention her own grief)
But the one emotion that covers them all is her concern for Clark. She knows he has a tendancy to blame himself in every situation, and carry guilt unnecesarily. She also knows that he's probably locking so much more inside than he allows anyone else to see.
And Lana can't possibly give him the comfort he needs because he's practically sacrificed their relationship. Knowing he can't find comfort in anyone else - his mother's grieving and Lana is clueless (due to Clark's protection) she sees how utterly alone he is in this.

Did anyone else think it odd that Lois didn't get a moment of grief?

KRAM-el
01-30-2006, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by SamIam
Did anyone else think it odd that Lois didn't get a moment of grief?

I actually thought the difference in expression between Chloe & Lois was well-played. Chloe cares deeply for Clark, & feels his pain; Lois is not yet connected to Clark, & doesn't share those emotions yet... also remember she is the daughter of "tough guy" General Sam Lane, a military brat, whose mother died when she was a child, & she's a tough cookie herself & probably taught by Big Daddy to "hold in" her emotions - not a stretch. Although she and the Kent's were connected, her history w/ them was still short. Chloe's reaction I believe was more aimed at Clark than Martha or even Jonathan himself (not to diminish how she felt about them).

And SamIam, your perceptions of Chloe's character are very astute.

Chloe for queen of the world!!!! :) ;) :p

SamIam
01-30-2006, 06:50 PM
Ah. Agreed. I would like to see it brought into her characted development though.

No-El
01-30-2006, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by SamIam
Ah. Agreed. I would like to see it brought into her characted development though.


One thing you failed to mention, Chloe will be there for Clark to share his grief with, perhaps Clark may come to see how supportive just how Chloe is as he has taken her for granted.

But it may be up to her to express any other concealed desires for her "Super Clark". Which Clark may or may not voluntarily choose to respond!

All this depends upon the writers!

KRAM-el
01-30-2006, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by No-El
One thing you failed to mention, Chloe will be there for Clark to share his grief with, perhaps Clark may come to see how supportive just how Chloe is as he has taken her for granted.

But it may be up to her to express any other concealed desires for her "Super Clark". Which Clark may or may not voluntarily choose to respond!

All this depends upon the writers!

Another thing to consider is that since Chloe was "created" for the show, she doesn't have to follow ANY prior canon. AM has clearly made Chloe her own, and that shows here as well. Chloe can & will do what she must, as an "admirer" of Clark, his confidant and friend. Chloe can and must keep Clarks secret, or she will be short-lived & that will take a HUGE support for Clark away (and heaven knows he needs support, or he'd drop like a stone). I believe in addition to her sorrow & grieving for Clark, and her longing for him that truly still twinkles, I think her expression also contained the fear that holding his secret brings. I don't know how she (AM) does it, but she pulls it off on a regular basis. I know I sound like a broken record, but, LONG LIVE CHLOE!!! :)

PikeyUK
01-30-2006, 09:35 PM
I honestly saw it as a "I hope it was worth it Clark" look.

Sympathetic yes but also a look knowing what he had gone through to only be right back where he started before going back.
Now not knowing which is the lesser of the two evils and hoping he made the right decision.

xrayvision
01-30-2006, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I'm not a Chloe hater either. I just don't think that a Clark and Chloe relationship would be good for the show.

I think it would be great for the show. It would allow Clark to finally mature and let him be the Superman he will be. Chloe is in favor of this and has to push Clark to be heroic. She would make him feel so much more normal and at the same time super than Lana ever could. I think having her become Lois (i.e. the Clois theory) would be a great justice. Lana is too petty and 1-dimensional (only wants to know his secret).

johnny fogg
01-31-2006, 07:04 AM
This is why Chloe is becoming marginalized, because no one can see past the Chlark angle. Even when the love triangle between her and Lana is gone, some still see a glimmer of a Chlark ship in the horizon. Is it just me or is this a real problem? Chloe wouldn't be very interesting if everything she did involved some Clark-lovin' subtext.:\

KRAM-el
01-31-2006, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by johnny fogg
This is why Chloe is becoming marginalized, because no one can see past the Chlark angle. Even when the love triangle between her and Lana is gone, some still see a glimmer of a Chlark ship in the horizon. Is it just me or is this a real problem? Chloe wouldn't be very interesting if everything she did involved some Clark-lovin' subtext.:\

Personally, I wouldn't mind a little Chlark action, AS LONG AS IT ADVANCED THE STORY. That's the problem here... It seems no matter what goes on in this show, it's a step forward & 3 STEPS BACK. Any plotline involving Chloe would be an improvement, as she IS a 3-dimensional character (& you're right Lana is 1 dimensional, if that)... Like her or not, it would make for a MUCH MORE interesting story arc than what we've seen up to this point. My vote is for more Chloe, but she is (& always will be) my favorite character on SV. For me, she makes the show worth watching (and NOT because she's another 'pretty face'). Go Chlo-e -- ! Go Chlo-e -- ! Go Chlo-e --! :) ;) :)

johnny fogg
01-31-2006, 07:30 AM
Yes. Maybe people have forgotten, but Chloe's known Clark longer than aybody except Pete, and will always be his closest friend. I don't think there was anyone besides JK's own family who was more heartbroken over his departure.

jaime,oburg
01-31-2006, 07:44 AM
Chloe is one of the best written characters on the show.Many aspects to her personality. We have seen the good & bad. I have a love/hate relationship with how the writers make her the emotional punching bag for the show. I hate to see Chloe always getting crapped on or always getting the short end of the stick. Yet I love how she refuses to let anything bring her down or get in her way. She always manages to pick herself up. She is a survivor and has always been the underdog.
People love to root for the underdog and that is why so many like me love the character. Chloe will always be interesting to me with or without the Chlark subtext.

KRAM-el
01-31-2006, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Chloe is one of the best written characters on the show.Many aspects to her personality. We have seen the good & bad. I have a love/hate relationship with how the writers make her the emotional punching bag for the show. I hate to see Chloe always getting crapped on or always getting the short end of the stick. Yet I love how she refuses to let anything bring her down or get in her way. She always manages to pick herself up. She is a survivor and has always been the underdog.
People love to root for the underdog and that is why so many like me love the character. Chloe will always be interesting to me with or without the Chlark subtext.

Absolutely RIGHT!!!! And I can lay much of the credit to Allison Mack (a phenomenal performer). TPTB "created" Chloe, but AM has made her real... VERY real, and despite TPTB's efforts to the contrary. She has turned Chloe into the strongest, most intelligent, forgiving, understanding Character the show knows. Her actions/emotions are the most realistic that I've ever seen on a TV episodic based on fiction/CB canon. I don't mean to sound like a cheerleader (oops, I'm sorry, I forgot... that's Lana) but it IS the truth as I see it. ;)

smoky
01-31-2006, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
I don't know about you guys, but that look that Chloe turned around and gave at Clark and Lana while she was leaving the funeral with Lois bothered me.
To me it was a 'Chloe feeling sorry for herself' look, because she seen Clark and Lana holding hands.
Chloe can be pretty selfish.
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While I was typing this another thought came across my mind. Maybe Chloe was giving that look back because she knows what Clark had done to save Lana's life, and that she was more than upset about it. She could be uspet with Lana a little bit. It could cause trouble down the road in future episodes.
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Or maybe she was just upset because it was Lana holding Clarks hand instead of her? I don't know, but it is something to think about. :rolleyes: I believe her "look" was because her DEAR FRIEND just LOST HIS FATHER!

Christine C
01-31-2006, 09:10 AM
Chloe's look at Clark also said volumes of where she stands at the moment in Clarks life. She is in front of Lois who seems kind of just there. We see Lana next to Clark one moment and gone the next. Lex is in the background watching the whole thing but in back of Clark and Lana, there more to see Lana and Clark's interaction than anthingelse.

Lara Lane
01-31-2006, 09:37 AM
I agree that Chloe is one of the best written characters in Smallville and that's because she only exists in this elseworld, for that very same reason she has no expectations to fullfill for the fans, no background to stop her character from developing in any way and certainly, she has no "destiny" to achieve. That gives her some freedom and allow us to like her with the flaws and asserts Al/Miles want to give her.

Au contraire of Lois, Clark and Lex because we know these characters since 70 years ago; we know how they are, what defines them, what makes them be what they are and that's why so many of us are unhappy with how TBTB have managed many aspects in Smallville.

So, over all, the greatest achievement of SV is Chloe Sullivan (because they've really blown everyone else!)


Originally posted by KRAM-el
I actually thought the difference in expression between Chloe & Lois was well-played. Chloe cares deeply for Clark, & feels his pain; Lois is not yet connected to Clark, & doesn't share those emotions yet... also remember she is the daughter of "tough guy" General Sam Lane, a military brat, whose mother died when she was a child, & she's a tough cookie herself & probably taught by Big Daddy to "hold in" her emotions - not a stretch.

I'll take your word on it, I'll allow myself to believe that TBTB actually thought carefully about it and that Lois' reaction was part of her character development... I doubt so, but I'll stay in fairyland and pretend that's what it is. Yeah. I'm happier that way.

myownwoman
01-31-2006, 11:46 AM
I am EXTREMELY disappointed that they got rid of a VERY GOOD actor - at least they could have kept that for season 6 or 7.

ohmygoodness me too! JK was one of my favorite characters, and Jonathan Schneider is an incredible actor, very believeable. He will be greatly missed.

What is the deal with Lionel at the funeral? I mean, I cannot believe he had the audacity to even show up, knowing that he and JK was in a fight moments before. He did not even look sad at all. From what I can remember, he was sneaking glances at Martha, snaking behind the scenes like a serpent. I really hated seeing him there.

Why did the writers decide that JK has to have the heart condition?

After giving lots of thought to the previous three episodes, I am disgusted by the Clana storyline and is now rooting more for Clark & Chloe. Whenever I see Chloe wear that sad expression on her face whenever Clark or Lana talk about a fight they have, or how much they love each other, it's like seeing Chloe trying hard to hide the pain on her face from showing.

Allison Mack is such an incredible actress.

:)

SmallvilleMan
01-31-2006, 12:12 PM
Lets's see about this. In 100 episodes, Clark has had to save Lana in around 80-90 of them sometimes twice an episode. How much more danger could she possibly get in???

Lex is the danger if she knows the secret, if she doesn't, then he isn't.

No-El
01-31-2006, 12:16 PM
This little poem is in response to Chloe's continued support in for her Best Friend, his Family and for all Mankind!


In Her Expressions...

And In Her Actions...

In Her Looks...

And Her Thoughts Expressed....

Allison's Chloe...undoubtedly and undeniably is...

THE BEST!

sstray72
02-01-2006, 09:59 PM
I agree with the many others who said that Chloe was simply feeling for Clark and his pain. It was a very helpless look, one that Lois shared. Also already said, if Chloe was able to withstand Clark's repeated embellishment of his and Lana's "love" and sexual relationship, then she can take a little hand holding without showing blatant jealousy at Clark's father's funeral...

Now the whole thing about Chloe's lack of danger... It seemed that they were going to focus on Lex's suspicion of Chloe knowing Clarks secret, but this plotline looks to have been shifted to give Lana further purpose... Sounds like Chloe just got Pete-ed.

Crazy4Smallville
02-02-2006, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by Christine C
Chloe's look at Clark also said volumes of where she stands at the moment in Clarks life. She is in front of Lois who seems kind of just there. We see Lana next to Clark one moment and gone the next. Lex is in the background watching the whole thing but in back of Clark and Lana, there more to see Lana and Clark's interaction than anthingelse.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
Also - there was forshadowing of Lionel's attentions towards Martha.

I thought everyone's positioning played a huge part in letting us know what direction everyone is going to go. If that's the case - Clark stood alone in the end. Everyone left him there, except his mom - but even she stood off in the distance. Clark let go of Lana - and she left. Chloe and Lois looked back (Chloe being in front with Lois to follow) and Lex was hiding in the background. It couldn't have been more clear.

The four women that were there - are the four most important women in Clark's life - ever. This was a pivotal moment.

No-El
02-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Crazy4Smallville
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Also - there was forshadowing of Lionel's attentions towards Martha.

I thought everyone's positioning played a huge part in letting us know what direction everyone is going to go. If that's the case - Clark stood alone in the end. Everyone left him there, except his mom - but even she stood off in the distance. Clark let go of Lana - and she left. Chloe and Lois looked back (Chloe being in front with Lois to follow) and Lex was hiding in the background. It couldn't have been more clear.

The four women that were there - are the four most important women in Clark's life - ever. This was a pivotal moment.


Yes, true!

The Funeral being one of the bests, was indeed the foreshadowing of the future episodes and the conflict/drama as the writers, I believe intended!

SamBanksJLA
02-05-2006, 04:34 AM
First off, let me say that I am not a Chloe hater. But for Christ's sake, all of these 'Chlarker's' bug the living Hell out of me. I am not a fan of 'Clana' either, so don't say that I am saying this because I want Clark to be with Lana instead of Chloe. But I have heard over and over and over and over and over and over from all of these 'Chlarker's' about how much they hate Lana and how they want 'Chlark' to happen. It is getting so freaking old!
Chloe and Clark are not going to be together. If they were going to have that dynamic in the show they would have allready had it happen by now. If you guys would just look at this without your 'Chlark' goggles on, then you would realize where this is heading. If 'Clana' is really over, then the next step that the writers are going to take is for Clark to hook up with Lois.
Chloe is a side kick. Nothing more. She is the white, female, version of Pete Ross. Pete left the show, and they needed Clark to have someone else that was like Pete. SO they made Chloe into that person. We all know that Chloe has all of these special feelings for Clark. But Clark has said over and over and over that he doesn't feel the same way about Chloe.
So please all of you people that are clamoring for 'Chlark' please take off your 'Chlark' goggles and evaluate the situation and then you would finally realize that a realtionship between the two isn't a possibility.
Chloe is just like Pete Ross. Just female. She can't have a romantic relaitonship with Clark. That would mess up the whole dynamic that they have now. The two of them will remain freinds, and Chloe will continue to help Clark solve mysteries and play the Velma character.

DARKRAGE
02-05-2006, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
First off, let me say that I am not a Chloe hater. But for Christ's sake, all of these 'Chlarker's' bug the living Hell out of me. I am not a fan of 'Clana' either, so don't say that I am saying this because I want Clark to be with Lana instead of Chloe. But I have heard over and over and over and over and over and over from all of these 'Chlarker's' about how much they hate Lana and how they want 'Chlark' to happen. It is getting so freaking old!
Chloe and Clark are not going to be together. If they were going to have that dynamic in the show they would have allready had it happen by now. If you guys would just look at this without your 'Chlark' goggles on, then you would realize where this is heading. If 'Clana' is really over, then the next step that the writers are going to take is for Clark to hook up with Lois.
Chloe is a side kick. Nothing more. She is the white, female, version of Pete Ross. Pete left the show, and they needed Clark to have someone else that was like Pete. SO they made Chloe into that person. We all know that Chloe has all of these special feelings for Clark. But Clark has said over and over and over that he doesn't feel the same way about Chloe.
So please all of you people that are clamoring for 'Chlark' please take off your 'Chlark' goggles and evaluate the situation and then you would finally realize that a realtionship between the two isn't a possibility.
Chloe is just like Pete Ross. Just female. She can't have a romantic relaitonship with Clark. That would mess up the whole dynamic that they have now. The two of them will remain freinds, and Chloe will continue to help Clark solve mysteries and play the Velma character.

Thank you nicely summed up:)

Watching Smallville
02-05-2006, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by SamBanksJLA
Chloe is just like Pete Ross. Just female. She can't have a romantic relaitonship with Clark. That would mess up the whole dynamic that they have now. The two of them will remain freinds, and Chloe will continue to help Clark solve mysteries and play the Velma character.
Actually I think of Chloe as Scully to Clark's Mulder. It's hard to predict what TPTB have in mind -- they seem to go for shock value over character, given what they did in Reckoning. And I'm not a shipper at all -- I believe in Lois.

attitudejc
02-05-2006, 11:06 AM
I am not a Clana fan, but i am definately not a Clana hater. I accept everything on the show, and have my hopes in mind, and will express them. and franckly, i hate bashers, there is no reason to put an actor or their character down, for any reason.
back to the subject:
i don't think that it was one of the jealous looks. if it was in the middle of season 4, then i think that it was, but it wasn't. Chloe has done a great job on hiding her feelings this year, and they are not just going to jump back to the jealous stage in one episode, and out of it in the next.

tjpw fanatic
02-05-2006, 11:10 AM
chloe is selfish..she should accept the fact that her and clark can never be more then friends..clark doesnt like her like that..and if she really liked him she would just want him to be happy..also lana was comforting him in his time of need..that is more than she did..as cool of a character as she is and as much as i enjoy that she know's his secret..she can get mighty annoying!!

attitudejc
02-05-2006, 11:22 AM
she HAS accepted the fact the clark will never love her the way she does him. and if ya ask me, alot of people on this show are pretty selfish. but, isn't that what makes it a little more real? because its not like 7th heaven when everyone is always in a great mood, and does the better in every case. i mean, come on!
(note: not putting down 7th heaven, cause i like the show, just trying to make a point)

No-El
02-05-2006, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by attitudejc
she HAS accepted the fact the clark will never love her the way she does him. and if ya ask me, alot of people on this show are pretty selfish. but, isn't that what makes it a little more real? because its not like 7th heaven when everyone is always in a great mood, and does the better in every case. i mean, come on!
(note: not putting down 7th heaven, cause i like the show, just trying to make a point)


It would appear that angst and emotional upset make for better TV Ratings!

I prefer less angst and sincere romance!;)

attitudejc
02-05-2006, 02:21 PM
oh, so does that mean you agree? (not trying to be mean, just wonderin)

No-El
02-05-2006, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by attitudejc
oh, so does that mean you agree? (not trying to be mean, just wonderin)


*sighs*

Yes, I suppose I do mean that I agree with you:\

Virtual_Me
02-05-2006, 05:10 PM
Well, it's hard to describe the look but I didn't feel like it was jealousy, I think she just felt bad for Clark, I'm sure though that she wasn't happy to see Lana holding his hand, and I'm quite sure that they (Lana and Chloe) are gonna crash when Lana get with Lex... Chloe still loves Clark, but she accepted it, so she won't accept that Lana dump Clark for Lex, especially now that she knows that Jonathan died because of her.

No-El
02-06-2006, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Virtual_Me
Well, it's hard to describe the look but I didn't feel like it was jealousy, I think she just felt bad for Clark, I'm sure though that she wasn't happy to see Lana holding his hand, and I'm quite sure that they (Lana and Chloe) are gonna crash when Lana get with Lex... Chloe still loves Clark, but she accepted it, so she won't accept that Lana dump Clark for Lex, especially now that she knows that Jonathan died because of her.

Deep and insightful assessement!

Christine C
02-06-2006, 02:52 PM
I like the Scully Mulder anolagy, but unfortunately Mulder was alot smarter than Clark. Remember, they eventually got together. I'd like to think that could happen, but never will unless Chloe was allowed to be Lois.

No-El
02-07-2006, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Christine C
I like the Scully Mulder anolagy, but unfortunately Mulder was alot smarter than Clark. Remember, they eventually got together. I'd like to think that could happen, but never will unless Chloe was allowed to be Lois.


Yes, that would be nice if they stuck to Chloe from the beginning Pilot!

Watching Smallville
02-07-2006, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Christine C
I like the Scully Mulder anolagy, but unfortunately Mulder was alot smarter than Clark.
Ha ha! :lol: