Lionel's photo was of the ship

[honorerdieu]

I had the episode taped and went back to review the Lionel and Jonathan scene. It appears to be a photo of the ship if anyone can see a diamond-shaped black blob through the back of the photo paper.

If it was the ship, then it makes sense since it is the main theme of Season 5. It's arrival, Lex and Lana obsessing over it, the introduction of Professor Fine, it being one of the reasons for the breakup of Clark and Lana.

It wouldn't be surprising if the ship played another role in Reckoning.

[RedPhoenix23]

Nah, it was Clarks adoption papers. Lionel knows they are doctered, because he's the one who arranged them! If it was a picture of the ship, Jonathon would have just played dumb and Lionel really couldn't have done anything about it - 'cuz he would look nuts if he tried! :D

Either that or...It was proof of Jois!!! :eek::eek::eek:

[kkjdt]

he said they both would give there life for ??? why would lionel give his life for Clark..... I think it had something to do with Martha

[TomWfan101]

interesting....u have a point, redphoenix.

[TomWfan101]

i cant wait to see what happens in future episiodes.

interesting....u have a point, redphoenix.

[slave2moonlight]

I hope it WAS the ship and not some new development that will bring down our opinion of Jonathan.

[Reign]

I absolutely thought it was a picture of Martha and Lionel together... maybe even nude, thereby totally ticking Jonathan off

but I don't know why Lionel reached for it again afterwards

[RedPhoenix23]

Clarks doctored adoption papers would not bring our opinion of Jonathon..especially since we've known about them since like season 2 - I believe? Was it season 2? Haha, now i'm confused! :lol:

Like I said, if was the ship, Jonathon would have just played dumb..the man isn't er wasn't (past tense :D) that combative!

[GhostRaider]

Can someone please explain to me why they think its a photo of Martha with Lionel. Explain to me how Lionel would pull that off given Martha basically hates the guy for almost killing her son and destroying her family on several different occasions. Why would she hookup with him after all of that and put what she loves most in the world in jeporday.

[KarrEl22]

could it have been a picture of clark holding the helicopter(From Exposed)?

[RedPhoenix23]

See Smallville season 2 and Fanatic. :D

[honorerdieu]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Nah, it was Clarks adoption papers. Lionel knows they are doctered, because he's the one who arranged them! If it was a picture of the ship, Jonathon would have just played dumb and Lionel really couldn't have done anything about it - 'cuz he would look nuts if he tried! :D

Either that or...It was proof of Jois!!! :eek::eek::eek:

If it was the adoption papers, why would Lionel have a picture taken of the papers when he has full access to the original documents?

It's always been known by Smallville fans that Jonathan is well aware of Lionel's suspicions of Clark Kent when he obtained Clark's vial of blood sample at the end of 2nd season. From that point on, Lionel has been involved in trying to find the truth about Clark.


Originally posted by GhostRaider
Can someone please explain to me why they think its a photo of Martha with Lionel. Explain to me how Lionel would pull that off given Martha basically hates the guy for almost killing her son and destroying her family on several different occasions. Why would she hookup with him after all of that and put what she loves most in the world in jeporday.

That's my question too. That kind of story doesn't really flow with the main theme of the 5th season (which I think is about Brainiac's ship).

As for possibility that it might be Clark's adoption papers.... that plot has been told in the 2nd season. It doesn't need to be revisited.

[RedPhoenix23]

Well first off you don't blackmail people with the orignal copies, the blackmail-ee could snatch them from you and destroy them! LOL, just like J/K tried to do! :lol: Its blackmailing 101. ;)

And two..Who says it was a picture? It just looked like paper to me. :D


Originally posted by honorerdieu
As for possibility that it might be Clark's adoption papers.... that plot has been told in the 2nd season. It doesn't need to be revisited.

Its a plothole if its not revisted.

[Reign]

It could be a picture of Martha and Lionel because in the episode two weeks ago, Lionel offered Martha a check to contribute to Jonathan's campaign. After some convincing, Martha was seen entering Lionel's car... presumably to make the deal

[GhostRaider]

That situation I could see and have suggested to other people on other boards tonight. But as far as the posibility of a picture showing Martha and Lionel in a compromising position of romance and infidelity theres no way that I would buy that. That would just make no sense at all given her hate and disgust for him

[Reign]

i was kidding about that... it could just be a recent picture of them standing together... or it could just be a picture of her by herself... it would send jonathan the same message: that lionel has interest in her... and that's why jonathan reacted the way he did and would not let lionel break their family apart

[Lois Sullivan]

I think you're all close. But you haven't yet peiced together whats going on. Lionel has always had his suspicions about Clark, and the caves. Suddenly those suspicions disappeared after Transference. Notice that Lionel was after the stones, he got a hold of one of them. Yet why didn't he pursue them as recklessly as Lex. I think Lionel was changed after Transference, that after that he had memories of being Clark, but couldn't process it. That he lost his memory but remembered being filled with such goodness. So, when he got back to his original body, after Clark's spirit passed through him, he remembered only the goodness, and had no clue where it came from. I think that's when he got worried about Lex, and tried to help him and others, but when Alexander fought him in Onyx, he realized that he was never going to be able to help anyone by being good 24/7. That in order for him to help Clark, whom I think he believed changed him but wasn't sure how, he had to resort to his old wyas from time to time. Hence his comment to Lex thanking him for "opening his eyes" and the whole "We're Luthor's. Son." He knew that he'd occasionally have to stoop to his old self and be manipulative. He got the stone from GT, he tried to get the stone from Lana. I think he intended to give them all to Clark, and when Jason was about to spill the beans to Lex about Clark, that's why Lionel shot him, to protect the secret he thought he knew about Clark. Then he got zapped by the stone when the other two were merged together, he was downloaded with all the Kryptonian knowledge, and became the vessel for Jor-El to inhabit in Hidden. At that moment is when everything clicked, when he realized it all.

From then on he knew he had to do what was in his power to protect Clark. Because he remembered being Good, and he truly believes that Clark has been sent to save mankind. He gave Chloe the secret about Brainiac, which he got from his kryptonian download, knowing that by giving it to her, it would all get back to Clark. He tried to stop Lex from investigating the second ship, knowing what was on it and that Lex and the world would be endangered by Brainiac and Zod if Brainiac completed his plan.

Then came the election, and Lex using Griff to get information on the Kents. The photo Lionel got from Griff, before killing him, was a photo scan of the adoption papers. There's no way Griff would have went to Lex with a photo of any ship, or of Clark using his powers, Griff would have gotten a ton more money by going out with the story himself, rather than selling it to Lex. No, he had proof that the adoption was faked. Or he did until Lionel got a hold of him. Then Lionel showed a picture to Jonathan, and Jonathan was shocked, angry, punched Lionel out, and died of his heart attack.

Interesting though that Lionel told Jonathan, he didn't want a puppet in office like Jonathan thought. He said he admired Jon for running for office, knowing he was hiding such an incredible secret. That indicates to me that it had something to do with Clark. Also interesting to note, that he told Jonathan he wanted a partner rather than a puppet. That he wanted to help Jonathan do all that was neccessary to keep this dangerous secret. Jonathan's pride got in the way and they fought, and Jonathan died.

So, what was in the picture that he showed Jonathan. Well it wasn't another photo of the adoption papers, cause by Jonathan's shock and anger, it was something that he didn't think Lionel had proof of. No, I thinkt he answer lies in some of those earlier trailers from this season. The "Everything you've wanted" trailers. Several of them had pictures of the very first ship, Clark's ship. I think that's what Lionel had, he had a picture of the Clark's ship. I think he might have gotten it from one of three sources. The destroyed video tape from Jonathan's altercation with Nixon in season 2. (Another point, Jonathan told Martha that "I will not let him destroy this family", those words, though slightly changed, were echoed in Reckoning to Lionel. Evidence that it was proof of Clark) It could possibly be from pictures that Hamilton took of the ship when it was in his posession. Or, and I really like this one because it means that the picture has more than just the ship in it. It was a photo, taken from hospital surveillance footage, of Jonathan, Clark, and the ship in the truck, when they used it to heal Martha of the kryptonite dust.

But I'm open to some more ideas.

[shinedown]

at first i thought iit was evidence of clarks powers, or at least thats what TPTB wanted us to think. but now i see its probably the adoption papers. but if i remember the crumpled paper had a lot of black.dark colors. almost like a picture so i dont know....but either way i am so confused about Lionel...i have no idea what to think of his motives. one thing is for sure though- he had some nerve coming to the funeral!

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

Lionel showed Jon Kent a picture of Lionel and Martha Kent's naked backs, each with a double swirlly "LL" tattoo on them.

[Superman790]

It could possibly be something Jonathan did and doesn't want Martha to find out, so he wants to protect her. Lionel knows the information could get out and it would hurt Martha, so he wants to keep it safe away from her so she will never have to feel the pain of the knowledge , but without Bo's cooperation, he can't be sure it can stay out of the public's (and Martha's) eye.

I doubt it had anything to do with Martha being unfaithful with Lionel because the beating JK put down did not make it seem like that. I don't know about you but if I had a wife and she cheated on me, and I knew who that guy was. I would probably open up a whole case of whoop ass on him. So would have Pa Kent, no matter how much his heart was bothering him.

[KristinIsAwesome]

No, something they would give their lives for?.. thats definately having to do with Clarks powers.. Lionel knows and he's been saving clarks butt since the end of season 4.

[All about Clark]

I think Lois Sullivan thought process is very good. I too thought the pic was of Clark doing something incredible giving away his secret; a perfect opportunity was in Exposed when he caught the helicopter. But what was Lionel's intention. It's unclear if it was to expose, blackmail, or try to keep hidden from the world. If it was the latter, than Jonathan misinterpreted his intentions causing his own death.

[gneisskathy]

Originally posted by Lois Sullivan
From then on he knew he had to do what was in his power to protect Clark. Because he remembered being Good, and he truly believes that Clark has been sent to save mankind. He gave Chloe the secret about Brainiac, which he got from his kryptonian download, knowing that by giving it to her, it would all get back to Clark. He tried to stop Lex from investigating the second ship, knowing what was on it and that Lex and the world would be endangered by Brainiac and Zod if Brainiac completed his plan.

Then came the election, and Lex using Griff to get information on the Kents. The photo Lionel got from Griff, before killing him, was a photo scan of the adoption papers. There's no way Griff would have went to Lex with a photo of any ship, or of Clark using his powers, Griff would have gotten a ton more money by going out with the story himself, rather than selling it to Lex. No, he had proof that the adoption was faked. Or he did until Lionel got a hold of him. Then Lionel showed a picture to Jonathan, and Jonathan was shocked, angry, punched Lionel out, and died of his heart attack.

Interesting though that Lionel told Jonathan, he didn't want a puppet in office like Jonathan thought. He said he admired Jon for running for office, knowing he was hiding such an incredible secret. That indicates to me that it had something to do with Clark. Also interesting to note, that he told Jonathan he wanted a partner rather than a puppet. That he wanted to help Jonathan do all that was neccessary to keep this dangerous secret. Jonathan's pride got in the way and they fought, and Jonathan died.

So, what was in the picture that he showed Jonathan. Well it wasn't another photo of the adoption papers, cause by Jonathan's shock and anger, it was something that he didn't think Lionel had proof of. No, I thinkt he answer lies in some of those earlier trailers from this season. The "Everything you've wanted" trailers. Several of them had pictures of the very first ship, Clark's ship. I think that's what Lionel had, he had a picture of the Clark's ship. I think he might have gotten it from one of three sources. The destroyed video tape from Jonathan's altercation with Nixon in season 2. (Another point, Jonathan told Martha that "I will not let him destroy this family", those words, though slightly changed, were echoed in Reckoning to Lionel. Evidence that it was proof of Clark) It could possibly be from pictures that Hamilton took of the ship when it was in his posession. Or, and I really like this one because it means that the picture has more than just the ship in it. It was a photo, taken from hospital surveillance footage, of Jonathan, Clark, and the ship in the truck, when they used it to heal Martha of the kryptonite dust.

But I'm open to some more ideas.

I think that all of this is right on! I agree that Lionel has been using his "evil side" so to say, to help protect Clark. I don't know if it's because he remembers being good...but for the simple fact that being in Clark's body saved his life. Also in transference Lionel commented to Clark while in his body that true power is best left hidden...so maybe he has known and wants to protect him in hopes of gaining trust and then using his powers someday for his own means.

On the other hand, they have been leaning toward lionel being in love with martha for a long time now, so it could be something to do with her, but I doubt it.

[LuthorRequiem2]

I personally think it's a copied photo of Clark using his powers. Something like him lifting a tractor, or him super-speeding, or him at the Fortress. I think Lionel has known this entire season about Clark's powers. Lionel's myterious behavior this season would all make sense, then. He's acted indifferent to the symbols he carved with a corkscrew, and generally unconcerned with, to quote his words, "little green men," and that's because he KNOWS all the answers now. No curiosity is eating away at him. I think he wants to use Clark's power to his advantage (*much like Lex in the comics tries to do with Superman), but I also think some twisted fraction of love for Lex is behind this (I think Lionel doesn't want Lex to find out about Clark's powers, because the knowledge of that would corrupt him).

[thmallville]

I thought the photo was of Clark catching the car...

I thought the photo was of Clark catching the car...

[ImaVirus]

Originally posted by kkjdt
he said they both would give there life for ??? why would lionel give his life for Clark..... I think it had something to do with Martha

Finally, I have been posting this all over the place. Why would Lionel say what he said. He and JK have something in common? Something they would protect with their lives. I have to believe it is Martha.

[PATMAN]

Or it could have been while Lionel was using clarks powers in transference

[kryptonite-proof]

I don't see how it could be some sort of evidence of Martha being unfaithful or anything of the like. Lionel spoke of it as a secret that Jonathan must have worked hard to keep a long time. It has to be something he already knew about.

[jag5311]

I guess I fully understand if JK misinterpreted Lionels actions. I thought he was becoming evil again...but maybe not.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Either way, it's a plot thread now.

[Vyle]

I think it was Clarks dead body

[arthurprescott2]

eh, i like the martha with Lionel doing things we are not allowed to speak of in this forum.

but ill go with the spaceship.

not that this speculation matters cause if it was the ship, there was no real reason for JK to go ballistic, but then again these writers... and producers... logic isnt their strong suit. and neither is writing. anymore at least

[Morbo]

K got a few ideas:

1.It's the ship and Lionel is Brainiac (brianiac died on the console and lionel is a oracle of kryptonian knowledge)( that does explain why it would also damage Lionel)

2.It's a picture of clark on the nuclear missile (satelites must have been following it) or of the FOS (but that does not explain why it would also damage Lionel)

3. it's a picture of Lionel and JK getting "comfortable" at the brokeback mountain movie

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Either way, it's a plot thread now.

Yes! More great continuity from season 5. No wonder this season is such a hit.
As far as what Lionel showed Pa Kent to get him all fired up. I was thinking intially the adoption fix that Lionel had a hand in, but now I'm thinking it has more to do with Clark's secret.

Lionel tells Clark in Transference that true power is best concealed. If Lionel knew the truth, he would realize that gives him a great advantage. He would know when the time came to throw that card. He's working the pure Luthor evil. I love the MB. Glad it wasn't Lionel who died...just yet. Let's leave that at the hand of Lex.:eek:

[vikingjedi]

Hmmm...maybe its a picture of the FOS.

[Nospam]

TPTB have to conclude this story arc by seasons end, it's driving me crazy postulating what Lionel knows or doesn't know, if he is still a vessel for Jor-EL, how he knew about Professor Fine and what is in that damn photo.

We know this much about the secret:

It could destroy the Kent family.
Lionel was surprised Jonathan pursued the senate seat with such a dangerous secret over his head.
Lionel says it is a common interest that both he and Jonathan would protect with their lives.
The secret involves a photo.
The secret cannot, in my opinion, involve Clark's adoption as Lionel is as guilty as the Kents for arranging the sham adoption and for the reason above, that the secret involves a photo. As someone else mentioned we've covered this ground already in season two.


Anything I am missing, because even with all these hints I still have no idea what could be so dangerous.

[JerryKing]

The reason why the photo gave Mr Kent a heart attack was because there were actually two of them... the first was this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6379/johngal0kc.jpg
and the second, yet unleaked, showed an intoxicated Mr Kent dancing with Lionel in those clothes.

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by JerryKing
The reason why the photo gave Mr Kent a heart attack was because there were actually two of them... the first was this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6379/johngal0kc.jpg
and the second, yet unleaked, showed an intoxicated Mr Kent dancing with Lionel in those clothes.



:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[UpandAtom]

I don't think it's a photo of the ship as that was destroyed back in "Exodus". And Lionel wouldn't need a photo to expose Clark's powers so I have no idea what it could be.

[smallville_fetish]

Well I just thought it was so funny and hilarious when it showed the crumbled up paper/photo whateve sitting on the floor where Jonathan dropped it, and it showed this scrawny hairy little hand slowly pick it up, what the heck is Lional doing? I don't know what I hella laughed at that awkward scene.

[ImaVirus]

Can someone get a full screen cap of the scene where Lionel just pulls out the picture to show to jonathan. the bigger size the better. I think I could do some work on it if the light shows through the picture enough. I might just be able to get some image to appear. flip it and viola we will know what it is of. I don't have equip to do that type of stuff and I know people on here are always shwing images from commercials and trailers. Thansk for the help.

[smvfan]

Originally posted by ImaVirus
Can someone get a full screen cap of the scene where Lionel just pulls out the picture to show to jonathan. the bigger size the better. I think I could do some work on it if the light shows through the picture enough. I might just be able to get some image to appear. flip it and viola we will know what it is of. I don't have equip to do that type of stuff and I know people on here are always shwing images from commercials and trailers. Thansk for the help.

I've uploaded it here:
http://www.downloadtaxi.com/d/1138481094

I increased brightness on it to make it more visible and outlined what I saw in the bottom one. Appears to be shaped like the ship.

[ImaVirus]

Sweet, thanks. I got a good contrast out of it and your right. it has a distinct diamond shape. THe top has a dark smudge that might be hiding the top of the point, or the lack of a point on the ship. I always thought the ship was more in the shape of the emblem burned onto his chest or the S logo we all know and love.

[tomwellingishott]

Originally posted by honorerdieu
I had the episode taped and went back to review the Lionel and Jonathan scene. It appears to be a photo of the ship if anyone can see a diamond-shaped black blob through the back of the photo paper.

If it was the ship, then it makes sense since it is the main theme of Season 5. It's arrival, Lex and Lana obsessing over it, the introduction of Professor Fine, it being one of the reasons for the breakup of Clark and Lana.

It wouldn't be surprising if the ship played another role in Reckoning.
I agree. I posted tis on another Smallville site. It was definately a photograph and it was diamond-shaped and dark. It was the ship.

[Sayzak]

Whatever Lionel had, it was directly related to Clark. He even reffered to it as a "Secret", don't over analyze that.

[Elite]

That photo could've been any old photo used for the scene.
But why would it be the ship? it wouldnt prove anything about Clark...

[kryptonite-proof]

You know, it's entirely possible that whatever Lionel is holding in that scene is not really a picture of anything but rather just a prop with nothing meaningful on the front. I mean, before it's time for them to show us the picture, all they have to do is hold a blank page and stare at it like it's something amazing.

[ImaVirus]

thanks for spoiling it for us Proof. :) I love that. I didn't think that they could have just a plain piece of paper there. Even though I believe there was something on it.

Being in the world of make believe, I know that the photo could very well be nothing, light reflecting from white boards meant to highllight the scene so there aren't any hard shadows, but sometimes, there is a picture that could show something. Not always, but I am sure they know what it is meant to be of when they wrote that scene. My own opinion.

I tell ya what, I have never read any spoilers yet that would tell me what it would be of, so I only think people are just suspecting certain things that it could be. I myself love to wonder about what will happen during the show, even when I read spoilers. I am finding out that what you read is not always what happens. Sometimes they aren't even in the same show. I love this show. They always seem make me jump up out of my sea and yell, "WFT!!!"

I LOVE THIS SHOW ! ! !

[Ral-El]

I agree with 'honorerdieu' to an extent. I was also able to record the episode on my DVR. I have played this scene several times and I too see a diamond shape through the back of the paper. To me, it looks more like Kal-El's ship that he arrived on in the first meator shower instead of Brainiac's ship. Remember that the Luthors have unlimited resources and that there are a few instances in the earlier seasons that Clark's ship was discovered or Clark was forced to relocate the ship temporarily. Could someone have gotten a photo of Clark with his ship at some point in the earlier seasons and now some how Lionel has gotten a hold of it. Just a thought to throw out ther. What do you all think??

Lionel and Martha..........NO WAY that Martha would stoop that low!!

[BrodyBear]

I don't think it was the ship at all, I think it had something to do with Martha.

Lionel stated he wanted to protect the thing he loved most just like JK, my guess is its Martha. Something to do with her.

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by Ral-El
I agree with 'honorerdieu' to an extent. I was also able to record the episode on my DVR. I have played this scene several times and I too see a diamond shape through the back of the paper. To me, it looks more like Kal-El's ship that he arrived on in the first meator shower instead of Brainiac's ship. Remember that the Luthors have unlimited resources and that there are a few instances in the earlier seasons that Clark's ship was discovered or Clark was forced to relocate the ship temporarily. Could someone have gotten a photo of Clark with his ship at some point in the earlier seasons and now some how Lionel has gotten a hold of it. Just a thought to throw out ther. What do you all think??

Lionel and Martha..........NO WAY that Martha would stoop that low!!

I thought about this, too. Like perhaps it showed up on a satellite image? Of course this leaves a bit of a hole in the fact that it was missed by Lex? Or, you may be right... it may be someone connected directly w/ MB (I'm sure he has a whole army of highly-paid gofers)... Or did he stumble upon it & take the photo himself? Oh, Lionel, Lionel... love him or hate him, he DOES make things interesting... :p

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Well I just thought it was so funny and hilarious when it showed the crumbled up paper/photo whateve sitting on the floor where Jonathan dropped it, and it showed this scrawny hairy little hand slowly pick it up, what the heck is Lional doing? I don't know what I hella laughed at that awkward scene.

My first thought as well. You mean the MB doesn't have another copy. Not very good at the blackmail thing huh Lionel?

Then I realized, he probally didn't want anyone else in on his little "secret". You know the whole knowledge is power thing. Luthors don't like to share either.

But really, the main purpose of showing "this scrawny hairy little hand":lol: picking up the paper was to show the audience Yes folks we have another plotline. Three cheers for Season 5 continuity! Jaime is happy for at least that.:)

[No-El]

Somehow I don't believe it is, but something tells me we REALLY will find out in the next few episodes!:confused:

[hahnyc87]

i posted this also- it was DEFINITELY a picture of the ship- you could see it

[JerryKing]

It didn't actually have to be a photo. It could have been a photocopied page of written text that enraged Jonathan so much. Specifically, it could have been a page saying, for instance, something like this:

"EXT. THE KENTS' BARN

Jonathan staggers out the door, panting and holding his chest. His face grimaces in pain and he grabs his left arm; with one short sigh, he collapses..."

[EJD1984]

Here’s my theory (or two cents worth) on what the picture is.

First of all, I don’t think it’s the forged adoption papers, I think Lionel tried that for leverage before and it didn’t work. Plus it would be a retread for the producers to use that again, they’re too smart to do that.

I think the picture could go back to the very first episode, and Dr Swann is factored in. It could be a satellite picture of Jonathan & Martha discovering Clark with the spaceship.

Remember, Dr Swann was a genius and owned a company that primarily dealt with communications satellites (and some military satellites as well) – all larger than Luthor Corp.

1. Dr Swann was obsessed with alien life and had discovered the signal from Krypton and its origin.

2. He was smart enough to figure out where the meteors came from and obviously where they landed.

3. It’s not a stretch for him to have gone through all information that his satellites would have gather during the shower, and one just happened to of snapped the picture of Clark and the spaceship

4. Since then Dr Swann has knew about Clark (crashed alien toddler), but not exactly who his was.

5. After Dr Swann passed away, (and the ‘apparent’ death of Bridgette Crosby). Cracks in the Swann foundation/company most likely had appeared (or Luthor Corp bought part of it) and eventually Lionel discovered (or stole/bribed/extorted......etc) all of Dr Swann’s material on Clark. Lionel would now know everything, but he’s smart enough to only reveal and use only what is necessary for his own gains.

(He also came out of the Kryptonian ‘Coma’, with no ill effects – Does he also remember all of that knowledge?)

[Ral-El]

AWESOME theory 'EJD1984'!! I would love to see Dr. Swann pulled back into this plot. It would be great to get closure on the "Dr. Swann storyline" that the directors left us hanging out to dry on back in Season 3. I reallly hope this happens!!

[Superdan13]

to be fair there wasn't much they could do I mean they couldn't sustain Reeve in order to do the show, they worked with what they had

[ox007]

Come on Martha is the ideal wife in the Superman mythos a the Kents are an ideal family! Martha couldn't have fun with Lionel. But what if he drugged her and... Woooow ;)

[Drakaun]

It is interesting to point out the fact that it might be the adoption papers, but let's think about this for a moment. If it was about the adoption papers, why would Lionel have picked up the crumpled paper in the end. We could assume that a) he didn't want to leave evidence of his being there, or b) what he has on the paper is a one of a kind copy and he needs to keep it safe. Now, if it were the adoption papers, I am sure Lionel could very well pull the papers up anywhere he wanted and didn't need the hard copy he had in the barn.

Now think in terms of the writers, would it make sense to hide from us what the paper was only to reveal to us later it is something we have already known since season 2? Granted, smallville writers aren't the best writers in the world but you really can't be that stupid and redundant. It can't be the adoption papers only beacause it would serve no purpose but to really annoy us when it is revealed later in the show that it was no new plot development at all but a visit to the past.

The spaceship is not incriminating enough alone, JK would be stupid to overreact the way he did, it's like when someone tells you I know your secret, so you tell them and they turn around and say, thank you for telling me, I had no idea, but now I really know.

It has to be something involving a picture of them all with the spaceship, or a picture of clark doing something super, like flying in the first episode of season 4 or something dumb like that, or how about clark riping open Lex's safe door, I mean, Lionel could very well have the mansion wired with survalience cameras and could have gotten the feed of clark ripping open the safe, or defeating the deciples of Zod in Lex's office.

In the end I really have no flipping clue and I am on the edge of my seat wondering what it could be, and that my friends is what makes for a great show, as long as they don't disappoint in the end by saying it's something completely stupid or unrelated like, JK littering or something stupid like that.

[tomwellingishott]

Originally posted by BrodyBear
I don't think it was the ship at all, I think it had something to do with Martha.

Lionel stated he wanted to protect the thing he loved most just like JK, my guess is its Martha. Something to do with her. Why can't it be about Clark? Lionel could claim to love Lex (his son) just as Jonathan loves Clark (his son). See the connection? So, they would both go to great lengths to protect their sons (well Lionel wouldn't but he claims to). I still think it's Clark with the ship.

I just have one thing to say. A man as rich as Lionel Luthor, heck, even a high school student, could EASILY use photoshop to edit a picture. So, how can a photo really act as evidence nowadays? I know that this is only television, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.

[AstroCowboy]

it's the ship. And I think the info comes from Dr Swanns studies. Also, Lex has got ahold of something too, and showed Lana, and she knows about the ship via this information too.