Smallville = Final Destination

[jimmyolsenblues]

I did not like that movie either <edit>
My thoughts, yes , i did not like the final destination theme.
But in the end it worked.
I have dvr and i have watched the ending over ten time.
Peter Gabriel's I grieve is simply TPTB best work.
That song, that last 2 minutes, was for me, the best two minutes in Smallville history.
I will truly miss Jonathan Kent. I lost my own father when I was 18, so this episode
was so meaningful for me. Thank you TPTB. <end of my edit>

[AnimeJoe]

You beat me to it, LOL..

Given that Final Destination 3 is coming out next month, should tonight's episode of Smallville be titled Final Destination 2.5??

It was funny watching Clark try to thwart death's design.

[elroyofkrypton]

A man acts differently after his father dies. If his father was a good man like Jonathan, he finds peace in seeking to live up to his father's standards of decency. Superman is definitely the son of Jonathan Kent and his ethics are found in what Jonathan taught him.

[SuperVan]

It was either like Final Destination or The Butterfly Effect.

Time Traveling Crystals?? WTF???

...I guess they got that idea form watching Napoleon Dynamite:rolleyes:

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Or Tru Calling.

[LolaDane]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Or Tru Calling.

That's what I thought too. For a moment there, I wanted Jack from TC to show up to thwart Clark's attempt to re-do the day. :p LOL, ah those creative SV writers. From Star Wars to Tru Calling, they're always ripping off other entertainment franchises.

[<<S>>]

I thought that this episode had a Final Destination feel to it, and it especially felt that way when Clark helped Lois when she was pass out on the floor. Seconds after he lifted her up off the floor, an electrical current passed through the water that was on the floor and Clark, from what i remember looks down and than straight across, which I thought made it seem like he knew death was coming. In the back of my mind, I was thinking O god, this is like the movie, where will death strike next? And was it a coincidence that they kept showing the trailer for the 3rd final destination movie, over and over again?

What was the quote JK gave in the beggining of the episode when clark tells his parents that he got married? I think it was like "you don't need my advice anymore your a man now." I don't know the exact quote but that was pretty much the foreshadow in my mind that he was going to die. Does anyone remember the exact quote though?

[johnny fogg]

It's not just you. It was overtly obvious when Lois got knocked out without explanation, conveniently next to a live wire and a toaster. What was she, making toast on election night?

The writers, like all of us who write and steal from other people(including me), absorb concepts they see in films and other media and use them to put a new perspective on what they're writing on.

Some writers are more subtle than others.

You may remember the episode last season where everyone was waxed over and frozen to be put on display? Funny how House of Wax had just been released. Very curious.

So yeah, it was a pretty clumsy takeoff (I dare say ripoff) of final destination. SV writers never learn....you can't take keep breaking your own rules! Those rube goldberg deaths worked in FD because it's FD. It was laughable here.

[Extremeblizz]

Nothing to add but you're right.
Funny how FD3 is coming out soon.
Do ya think The WB has an agreement with other movie studios to advertise their movies?
I mean, all of the episodes of Smallville obvoiusly advertise the Superman movie that's gonna come out.
What's next? Little subtitles that show us where everything was taken from?

This death was brought to you by... Psycho. Not in theaters now.

[<<S>>]

It's not just you. It was overtly obvious when Lois got knocked out without explanation, conveniently next to a live wire and a toaster. What was she, making toast on election night?

Yeah that scene made to clear to me that it was like final destination. She is passed out for no reason on the floor, where water is inching towards her, only to be saved by Clark, as the whole floor gets lit up. Hmm... only thing missing is clark and chloe trying to find out "death's plan". That really would have made the episode comical, taking away from the drama.



Nothing to add but you're right. Funny how FD3 is coming out soon.
Do ya think The WB has an agreement with other movie studios to advertise their movies?
I mean, all of the episodes of Smallville obvoiusly advertise the Superman movie that's gonna come out.
What's next? Little subtitles that show us where everything was taken from?

This death was brought to you by... Psycho. Not in theaters now.

Warner Brothers is involved with shows, movies, reality tv shows, ie beauty and the geek, so basically they can take anything from movies, to reality show characters to even other characters from other shows guest appearing on their shows if they want. I dont know if it's a formal agreement, but this has set some record of how many times the writers of this show used a reference to a movie or another show.

[bluegayle]

well i haven't seen the FD movies but it was strange that Lois was knocked out. that wasn't in the first timeline, and it didn't make sense to be in the second timeline.

but now that you bring it up, i can see that it was like nature's way of taking someone out of the picture someway.

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

I posted a comment about Final Desitination before the episode was even over last night.

BTW: Erica Durrance (Lois Lane) is filming "The Butterfly Effect 2"

See:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1818854#post1818854

Yup, I think the Lois-save was specifically thrown in along with all the "Nature will seek a balance" crap as a sub-liminal advertisement for "Final Destination III" opening Friday a week from now - produced by New Line Cinema - a subsidiary of Time Warner. (which, coincidentally enough, was advertised during "Smallville" about fifteen minutes before.)

[starmaster]

whats the situation of petes phonecall???? wot does TPTB stand for???? sorry....:)

[StealthyMakoto]

She is passed out for no reason on the floor
Actually, in the first timeline, she almost took a spill while reaching for the snacks on the top shelf, but Lana was there. Second time around, Lana wasn't there, so Lois fell.

Edit: Ok, just rewatched that scene.
First Timeline: Lois starts filling a pot with water in the sink, leaves it running while she goes over to reach for the snacks (standing on a wobbly stool) on the top shelf. Just as she's tipping, Lana catches her. Lois goes over and turns the water off.

Second Timeline: All as above, except this time, Clark did not tell Lana his secret. Therefore, she doesn't go talk to Lois about "finding out about a completely different side of someone you thought you knew", so she doesn't catch Lois. Lois falls, hits her head, and the pot & sink eventually overflow.

[Timester]

The craziest thing is me and Summers talked about that movie on the spoilers forum hours before "Reckoning". :lol:

[smallvillefan26]

I just posted this on another thread but I see Reckoning as more similar to The Butterfly Effect than I do to Final Destination. FD is about cheating death and fate continuing to come after you because it deems that you are meant to die. The Butterfly Effect and Reckoning, IMO, are about going back in time to change certain events that led to others. In both the movie and SV, the characters actually experienced their lives and then went back and lived that time again (altering events in that time to change what they knew was going to happen). What I think makes people think of FD is what Evan and Clark both fail to realize - that some things will happen no matter what you try to do to change them (conjuring up in people's minds the idea of "fate" - a prevalent theme in FD).

[johnny fogg]

That's insightful. But it's still a ripoff. Like 'Forever' was when House of Wax came out. Just because it's your favoirte show doesn't mean they have license to insult your intelligence like that!:eek:

[KRAM-el]

Also, if Reckoning = FD, then Lana should die BOTH times. For that, I'd have accepted the plagiarism...

[johnny fogg]

And if Forever = House of Wax, I would have accepted plagerism if the statues actually looked like Lana and Chloe...

[KRAM-el]

Originally posted by johnny fogg
And if Forever = House of Wax, I would have accepted plagerism if the statues actually looked like Lana and Chloe...

Kudo's on that one... :lol: :rotfl: :lol:

[smallvillefan26]

Originally posted by johnny fogg
That's insightful. But it's still a ripoff. Like 'Forever' was when House of Wax came out. Just because it's your favoirte show doesn't mean they have license to insult your intelligence like that!:eek: I don't deny that it is not an original idea. But there are very few movies and television shows that are original. It doesn't make them un-watchable. Besides, it was interesting to me to see the idea of time reversal/fate played out in the SV world.

[johnny fogg]

Heh, anybody who's written absolutely anything will tell you (including me) that there's Good Plagerism, and Lame Plagerism. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with seeing Clark bust out his powers in some way that totally rips off The Terminator. But episodes framed around forgettable horror movies that only make sense in the context of that particular month??

[myownwoman]

Hey if you can rewrite The Reckoning all over again, how would you write it? What changes would you make if any?

[johnny fogg]

Er, how about not putting Final Destination trailer immediatley before a death reversal?:\

[smallvillefan26]

Originally posted by johnny fogg
Er, how about not putting Final Destination trailer immediatley before a death reversal?:\ If you really watch Final Destination, it is not the same as SV or The Butterfly Effect. Final Destination is played out in the same timeline and in the other two, time is almost "replayed" because the main character wants to go back and change something. This is not the same thing.

The whole idea of going back in time and changing something was done by Ray Bradbury in "A Sound of Thunder" long before the movies.

[UpandAtom]

After watching Final Destination 2 on the WB last week, I know this episode is nothing like it. I don't think it's a ripoff in any way. It's different enough to be considered something original.

[RedQ]

still have gone to the meeting.

Clark's Choose to reverse time hoping that No one will have to Die.

Question would be Does Jor-el Know the Universe or controls it that to make Clark suffer?

My guess Reckoning would be Jor-el settling his account with Clark and JK together.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49826
Does Jor-el cause JK's death I don't think so, unless Jor-el cause JK's Heart problems; therefore Jor-el's Threat is still out there OR more of an empty threat? I say Lionel is responsible for JK's Death.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1831659#post1831659
Perfectly Stated‼

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50227
And Lexmas IS NOT REAL it's a DREAM SEQUENCE! NOT MAGIC. Therefore it's NOT FACT OR FUTURE! ONLY A POSSIBILITY.

Does Smallville Universe really work as a life for a life? then Who dies when Superman saves ALL the people during SV or is Lex suppose to balance that by killing all the people to balance all that he saves?

FATE OR Just knowing things in the Future Mythos.

EXCLUDING the ROLEs each chracter play in the Future. I want to know how the SV world works. Despite the Mythos.
Originally posted by smallvillefan26
I agree that this was a good lesson for Clark, to learn that he cannot control everything or save everyone. This is one that he will grapple with for the rest of his life. Furthermore, I understand Jor-El's lack of remorse. I think he knew what would happen (maybe not who it would happen to) and he actually wanted his son to go through this to grow as a Kryptonian. I appreciate the portrayal of Jor-El much more now than in past seasons. I don't see him anymore as a monster, but as a father who has forced his son through certain trials because he knows that will lead him to his destiny. I hope that this portrayal continues because I believe that Jor-El is the only father figure that Clark can possibly have and he will need to learn from and look up to him to secure his future as Superman. I'm looking forward to this dynamic between Clark and Jor-El. Clark will struggle, will wonder how he can look up to and learn from this man who seemingly (whether legitimate reasoning or not) took his father from him.

Once again, great discussion! My thoughts exactlly.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49878
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49959
Things will happen And Doesn't matter who is to blame cause this just show that their lives are ALL intertwined in Smallville. So quit blaming Clark!

Blame Jor-El for sending his damn son to this planet and have Smallville. (sarcam)

And Charging everyone with Invoulntary man-slaughter is NOT reasonable.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1834167#post1834167
Yeah does that mean Lana didn't actually die in the crash but heavily injured. BUT again Clark can change everything in his action there fore it's still undecided and can still be changed.

the Green-K Necklace of Lana might be the cause of Clark's infatuation that he get's weak around Lana and misinterpreted it for emotions.


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1823916#post1823916
Nicely stated.

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