Pain in Chloe's eyes

[sstray72]

Chloe has done well all season dealing with the Clana, but it looks like Clark continuously dragging her through all of his problems with the relationship is getting to her. She is definately annoyed with having to tell him the same advice repeatedly, but when Clark said that he "loves her so much" she showed some subtle pain there, IMO. Clark is such an ignorant person to be sticking his sex life and his love for Lana in the face of the girl who has always had feelings for him. :\

[Cookie 28]

Yea, I caught that look. Kinda sad for Chloe, but I think she is really a true friend.

[MBCorp]

I actually had the very same thought. And can you imagine what a bore it must be for Chloe to have to hear both Clark and Lana angst and moan and gripe about their love life to her? I got the impression that she was really caught in the middle between the two. And it really does make Clark look self centered and selfish that he keeps whining to Chloe about Lana when he knows she's had feelings for him.

I also thought it was slimey for Clark to ask her to spy on Lana. You just don't do things like that, Clark. :\

[Summers]

Talk about being a middlewoman in a ship. That's not a nice place to be in. Actually kinda reminded me of my friends's high school relationships where I was in the middle :lol:. I swear that scene reminded me it belonged in S3-S4 not in S5 college life lol.

Spying so bad. His jealousy kicked in there as well.

[sstray72]

Originally posted by MBCorp

I also thought it was slimey for Clark to ask her to spy on Lana. You just don't do things like that, Clark. :\

Clark was a jerk for that. He's going to make Chloe do something dishonest all so that HE can hide his own dishonesty? Clark and Lana are very self-centered, they can't even imagine how Chloe must feel when they go on and on about their relationship. I can just imagine the late nights that Lana keeps Chloe up in that damn dormroom about everything for secrets and lies to the lack of sex...

[Randy G.]

I noticed that too, & said, "Awwww......man!" :(

She got a lump in her throat, & kinda' swallowed hard when he was talking about really loving Lana.

Clark my boy, you're a real dumbass. :rolleyes:
Chloe's got personality & charm that would run circles around Lana.

Another plus is, you don't often see Chloe sobbing & snivvling like a lil' b!tch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kryptonian Snake]

Chloe needs to tell Clark and Lana to work out their own issues rather than come to her with their problems. When Clark burst into her dorm room, Chloe seemed annoyed at, yet again, being called on to give Clark relationship advice. Ultimately, she's given Clark all the advice he needs from her. She also needs to get over Clark . Right now, she's more mature than Clark (i.e., she lives in reality and has direction in life, whereas Clark has little direction and still wishes to avoid problems) and there's no real reason Chloe should pine. I really hope this episode is the only time I have to see her mope. I can watch the season 1 and 2 DVDs if I really want to revisit her unrequited love for Clark.

[sstray72]

I kinda wish that Chloe would turn evil again and use her knowledge of Clark against him and KILL HIM!! Mwahahaaaa. Then we could have Chlex and watch them shine in the darkness of glorious evil where they will RULE THE WORLD!!

Either that, or she can tell Clark to shut the hell up.

[AnimeJoe]

I found it a tad bit annoying that the writers were revisiting Chloe's feelings for Clark. And she was doing SOOO good for 10 episodes so far ;)

[Watching Smallville]

She's just being mature about it and a really good sport. I don't think her feelings have changed at all.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by sstray72
I kinda wish that Chloe would turn evil again and use her knowledge of Clark against him and KILL HIM!! Mwahahaaaa. Then we could have Chlex and watch them shine in the darkness of glorious evil where they will RULE THE WORLD!!

Either that, or she can tell Clark to shut the hell up.

Hee. I'd like to see either one of those options (but I'm especially partial to the first one;) ).

[sstray72]

Maybe she can tell Clark to shut the hell up as she bashes him in the head with a big ol K-Rock?

:D

[tejdog1]

YES I VOTE FOR THAT, STRAY!

[superspider02]

she did look hurt a little bit but was handling it very mature.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I actually had the very same thought. And can you imagine what a bore it must be for Chloe to have to hear both Clark and Lana angst and moan and gripe about their love life to her? I got the impression that she was really caught in the middle between the two. And it really does make Clark look self centered and selfish that he keeps whining to Chloe about Lana when he knows she's had feelings for him.

I also thought it was slimey for Clark to ask her to spy on Lana. You just don't do things like that, Clark. :\

That's why Clark is a .........Loser! I actually liked Lana way more than Clark in this episode......actually I'll be the first one to give KK credit when she earns it (in my eyes).....she was awesome in this episode (not only raising it a notch but being consistent from beginning to end....and I've seldom seen that from her)......Tom....yeah, his acting is defintely on the money......to bad he's becoming my least favorite character........ and why is that.........MBCorp nailed it on the head with this quote. And no matter what happens now....Clark will tell Lana not because he wants to....but because he's come to that bridge and he either has to cross it ,as Chloe has repeatedly told the moron, or let it burn. And even the idiot that is this Clark Kent........can smell the smoke now.

And Allison's delivery of Chloe's pain through her eyes just shows me why she's my favorite character on this show. Unfortunately, (as Lionel/Jor-el would say) Chloe's awesome-ness in this scene does not come without a price...........And it begs the question "Can't the writers tell that they are making Clark look very bad?"


[i] She also needs to get over Clark . Right now, she's more mature than Clark (i.e., she lives in reality and has direction in life, whereas Clark has little direction and still wishes to avoid problems) and there's no real reason Chloe should pine. I really hope this episode is the only time I have to see her mope. I can watch the season 1 and 2 DVDs if I really want to revisit her unrequited love for Clark. [/B]

I've never really thought it was a smart thing to tell people to get over it.....because it ain't a light switch......."move on" yes.....that's different....but anyone telling another human being to get over someone special.....probably hasn't been in a relationship that strong.....or at least.....as strong as it should have been. Not implying anything about you.....it's just that's what I always think when I hear that. Or a more simple view .......how the hell can someone get over someone when they are constantly in their face? Man, that is tough....especially when this person is you're best friend.....so give the girl some respect when she's in that "Pine" mode......she sucks it up all to often just to help out that moron.

[Kryptonian Snake]

Originally posted by CK&CK
I've never really thought it was a smart thing to tell people to get over it.....because it ain't a light switch......."move on" yes.....that's different....but anyone telling another human being to get over someone special.....probably hasn't been in a relationship that strong.....or at least.....as strong as it should have been. Not implying anything about you.....it's just that's what I always think when I hear that. Or a more simple view .......how the hell can someone get over someone when they are constantly in their face? Man, that is tough....especially when this person is you're best friend.....so give the girl some respect when she's in that "Pine" mode......she sucks it up all to often just to help out that moron.
You're right. It is unrealistic of me to say that Chloe should just "get over" Clark, especially when she hasn't moped about it at all this season. I guess I just want the focus of the show to shift from the relationship drama to Clark starting to think outside of Smallville and his circle of friends and family. He's go a lot of maturing to do before he can actually be the superhero he's supposed to become.

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by sstray72
I kinda wish that Chloe would turn evil again and use her knowledge of Clark against him and KILL HIM!! Mwahahaaaa. Then we could have Chlex and watch them shine in the darkness of glorious evil where they will RULE THE WORLD!!

Either that, or she can tell Clark to shut the hell up.

I don't know about Chloe going evil, but I certainly think your other suggestion is possible :)
Maybe she could also do that to Lana?

QUOTE]Originally posted by MBCorp
I actually had the very same thought. And can you imagine what a bore it must be for Chloe to have to hear both Clark [b]and Lana angst and moan and gripe about their love life to her?

I hate this, too. I don't know how she puts up with it.

[BeldarofRemulak]

As much as I hate to say (Chlarker at heart), Chloe needs to distance herself from Clark. She needs to get a GUY!!! I dont understand why they just dont give her one! Maybe once she does distance herself from Clark, he will realize something...;)

[margroks]

Chloe is not a girl who needs to be joined at the hip to a guy to be whole like Lana. But yes, Clark Kent was once again revealed to be the bigest jsrk, the most insensitive ******* in the known universe. Chloe was on the verge of tears and he completly didn't see it. No one, not even a socially inept alien, would actually be that blind and insensitive. I can't understand why the writers and producers must portray Clark as such a jerk to CHloe of all people.

But they've had Chloe set herself up for this by allowing Lana in as a room mate, after all. It's pitiful and I'd shove a piece of Kryptonite where the sun don't shine if I were her. There is something seriously worn with Clark that he wouldn't jump for CHloe and kick nasty Lana to the curb for being such an unfeeling ***** in her own right.

If Clark's such a man then he needs to take care of his own problems. This is way beyond what he should be doing to Chloe. I just can't figure out why TPTB think it's necessary to treat any character this way. Or why they persist in portraying the hero as such an uncaring jerk who thinks only of himself most of the time. This is not the Clark we met four years agao; even then he would never have treated Chloe this way had he known she had feelings for him. Yet now, as a supposed adult, he does. I just don't get it and I definitely don't like it.

[Petoonya15]

I am only going to make this coment out of personal experience. When you love someone for a long time, even though you may have moved on there will be times where a situation brings you back and you are brought face to face with the reality that they didn't want you. Case in point. One of my very close friends and I had dated at a point in our "relationship" then we broke up but my feelings had always been there for him. There came a point where it was "do or die" and I called him on our interactions where I was told it was a "bad time" for him to get into a relationship (i.e. he met another girl). I was sad and jealous for a while but now I am at the poitn where I can be the friend and give advice (honest real advice like Chloe gave Clark last night). He being rather Clark-like is a dolt and sometimes dosn't realize when he hurts my feelings (speaking of his girlfriend or just in general) and he recently told me that he was getting engaged. When he told me all of those feelings came back and i was reminded that as well as we get along and as close as we are, he doesn't want me. It still hurts just as much as it did a few months ago. So I understand Chloe, and I think that its ok for her to get upset once in a while.

[jag5311]

As I have said before, think of this from a realistic point of view. Clark is in panic mode because of his feelings for Lana and hiding his secret.

Is he being a jerk to Chloe right now (probably not intentional)? Yep!

But right now, emotionally, he is distraught and that will come to a close next week, well temporarily.

[Dannyblue1]

Clark came off so badly in that scene. It would be one thing if Clark had never known about how Chloe felt for him. But not only does he know she loved him once upon a time, he knows she still has feelings for him, because they've been hinted at in conversations they've had this very season.

And, yet, he runs to throw his relationship in her face, and never seems to consider her feelings at all. Not even a realization after the fact that maybe he'd stepped over a line there.

That's just...ug.

[Lifebound]

I think you have said all that needs to be said so well. Clark is moron, Chloe feels the pain, can the writers make Clark look like a bigger jerk?

I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon and show my support for Chloe and pray that episode 100 will nail some sense into Clark.

[Polomontana]

Yeah, give Clark a break. This is how most people act when they feel that there only true love is slipping out of their hands. You heard Clark say he can't even imagine being with someone else beside Lana. When your in love it's hard to look past the moment and Chloe is just being a good friend because good friends often have to hear the true feelings. You have to realize that Clark can't go to his parents about these thing because he would feel uncomfortable and Chloe is the only person in the world that he can tell these things to.

I think Allison deserves an emmy for last nights show. The way that she expressed the pain in her face from hearing about Clark and Lana, was priceless. BRAVO Allison!!

[midnite_spark]

Originally posted by MBCorp

I also thought it was slimey for Clark to ask her to spy on Lana. You just don't do things like that, Clark. :\

AGREED!!! i wanted to kick him for that thought!!

[tw190]

I like the way she handled it. Friendship is all she has with Clark, so it's like there was no point in resurrecting those feelings that she's pushed away for so long.

[Lifebound]

Polomontana: Yes, give Allsion an emmy for her work, best supporting actress. Her season 5 work has been exceptional, as has all her other work! She acts so well that one can feel Chloe's pain so deeply, gah!

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Yeah, give Clark a break. This is how most people act when they feel that there only true love is slipping out of their hands. You heard Clark say he can't even imagine being with someone else beside Lana. When your in love it's hard to look past the moment and Chloe is just being a good friend because good friends often have to hear the true feelings. You have to realize that Clark can't go to his parents about these thing because he would feel uncomfortable and Chloe is the only person in the world that he can tell these things to.

No. And no again. Clark has run out of breaks with me, after five years of learning nothing. Yes, this is how some people would act in this situation. But that wouldn't make their behavior any less insensitive or self-absorbed. (Also, Clark was talking to his mother about it, so...)

It one thing for Clark to talk to Chloe, in general, about the problems he's having with Lana. But throwing lines like "I love her so much," and "I want to be with her forever" in the face of a person he knows once loved, and still has feelings, for him?

Yes, Chloe is being very mature about the situation. Kudos to Chloe, because she deserves it. But that doesn't mean Clark has the right to take advantage of that maturity.

[lexs&os]

She handled herself very well and what I was thinking about while watching, was the different posts that have questioned why Chloe hasn't been in more danger knowing Clark's secret - Like Pete was etc. Having to be in the middle of Clana like she is, is just as bad - if not worse than being in physical danger. Not that physical danger can't mess with your head, but man...

[Lifebound]

So right both Dannyblue1 and lex&os. The thing is that Clark is supposed to go through problems and difficulty, but we are supposed to look up to him for his inner fortitute, for his ATTEMPT to do the right thing .I see no attempt to do anything like that.

I am surprised by how TPTB choses to portray Clark and in the process put CHloe in such an unfortunate position. I cannot see the creative plus points of doing what they are doing or how it can be used in the plot. Maybe Reckoning will answer this. I think that Lockdown was purely a setup for Reckoning, and a mediocre one at that.

[Polomontana]

Dannyblue,

Yes he told his mother somethings, but you see that he stopped short of telling her about his feelings for Lana when it comes to being intimate. The only person he can tell is Chloe and I think that Chloe understands this and this is why she tolerates it. She can't say go and tell someone else Clark, who else could he tell? I actually think that this makes the Chloe character even more endearing because she has set her feelings aside to listen to Clark opine. He's from another planet and you have to factor that in as well.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Randy G.
I noticed that too, & said, "Awwww......man!" :(

She got a lump in her throat, & kinda' swallowed hard when he was talking about really loving Lana.

Clark my boy, you're a real dumbass. :rolleyes:
Chloe's got personality & charm that would run circles around Lana.

Another plus is, you don't often see Chloe sobbing & snivvling like a lil' b!tch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I totally agree with ya Randy 100 %

Lana's a Whiny self centered B!TCH !!!!, and she makes Clark this Moopy sap. :mad:

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Dannyblue,

Yes he told his mother somethings, but you see that he stopped short of telling her about his feelings for Lana when it comes to being intimate. The only person he can tell is Chloe and I think that Chloe understands this and this is why she tolerates it. She can't say go and tell someone else Clark, who else could he tell? I actually think that this makes the Chloe character even more endearing because she has set her feelings aside to listen to Clark opine.

It's not only the fact that he talks to Chloe about his relationship issues. It's that he doesn't get that this could be hurting her. Only an insensitive person who lacks empathy could be that dense.


He's from another planet and you have to factor that in as well.

Um, no, I don't. The point of the show has been that, while Clark was born on another planet, he is very human mentally and emotionally. And, since Clark was raised human, I hold him to the same standards as any human born and raised on this planet who's had the experiences he's had.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

I truly felt for Chloe in that scene. It's sad that they've reduced Chloe to this. She needs to tell Clark to quit whining.

[photogirl]

Yeah, is clark stupid or what?? Who does that. Poor chloe. He complains to her, asks her for advice, asks her to spy...tells her that he really loves lana, and all this to the girl that he knows has been in love with him since day one!!?? He is stupid!!!!!!!!!

[Polomontana]

Clark is BLINDED by love and of course he's going to think about his feelings first like most humans. Maybe this is a foreign feeling for Kryptonians. You have to realize that Clark is almost invincible and these feelings must make him feel very vulnerable.

Like I said Dannyblue, you have to take into account that he's from Krypton.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Clark is BLINDED by love and of course he's going to think about his feelings first like most humans. Maybe this is a foreign feeling for Kryptonians. You have to realize that Clark is almost invincible and these feelings must make him feel very vulnerable.

No again. Clark has always had deep feelings. We've seen them in action for 4+ years. So it's not like he just stepped off the ship and is dealing with something new. So, that's not an exscuse.

Being blinded by love also isn't an exscuse. Yes, some people in love do stupid things. That doesn't make the things they do any less stupid. And some people in love don't act that way.

And, yes, humans do sometimes think of their own feelings first. But, in some situations, doing so is insensitive and selfish.

[margroks]

No; his behavior is completely unacceptable even for him. All he has to do is actually look into Chloe's eyes. He's being a real jerk.

[Polomontana]

What he hasn't experienced is the idea of losing Lana to Lex. I think this is something he never thought could happen and he's panacking.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Polomontana
What he hasn't experienced is the idea of losing Lana to Lex. I think this is something he never thought could happen and he's panacking.

What does his panic over losing Lana have to do with being insensitive to Chloe's feelings? "I'm having doubts about my relationship, so let me go wax poetic about said relationship to my best friend, who I know has feelings for me."

Clark could have expressed his worries in a different way. The way he did it was guaranteed to hurt Chloe. And, if he doesn't get that, that's the height of insensitivity.

[TML]

She is a good friend. She just isn't meant for Clark. Glad we'll never see that one. :)

[sstray72]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Yes he told his mother somethings, but you see that he stopped short of telling her about his feelings for Lana when it comes to being intimate. The only person he can tell is Chloe and I think that Chloe understands this and this is why she tolerates it. She can't say go and tell someone else Clark, who else could he tell?

He could've told PETE. Being best of buds doesn't excuse not having the forethought of the potential of hurt feelings when talking about relationships to a person who has had STRONG feelings for you in the past. It seems that the only thing that Clark speaks to Chloe lately is LANA. Hello? Its very insensitive to continuously push the relationship in the face of the person who had to settle for not getting the love she desired.

[margroks]

SHe's exactly what Clark needs and it's too bad we'll never see Clark realize it. Because seeing the hero wake-up and actually turn to the girl wh challenges him and is loyal to a fault and turn his back on any girl who as selfish and unfeeling as Lana would be a very heroic moment. Whinning over the unlikeable, selfish Lana while using and hurting Chloe makes Clark as unheroic as he can be. A real hero has to be sensitive to those around him and Clark is no hero to treat anyone this way but most especially Chloe. If he wants a girl he can trust , he's had her all along. If he chases someone else? Then he's an idiot and should have to wallow in the mess he's made.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Polomontana
What he hasn't experienced is the idea of losing Lana to Lex. I think this is something he never thought could happen and he's panacking.

What about the idea of losing Chloe to his insensitivity? He depends on Chloe a lot...basically for everything..she solves cases with him, talks with him about his powers, lets him vent to about his relationship, she is ALWAYS there, but what does she get? A broken heart! Sorry, but I think its about time Chloe gets something in return!

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by margroks
She's exactly what Clark needs and it's too bad we'll never see Clark realize it.
She may (or may not) be what Clark needs, but the way he's treating her, he is not what she needs. Someone this insensitive to her feelings should be pissing her off. I hope she realizes she deserves better -- and let's him know.

[Kryptonian Snake]

What Clark needs is to figure out what kind of person he wants to be for the rest of his life. I don't see how getting into a relationship with Chloe (or anyone else, for that matter) would help this at all. She's already given him solid advice countless times this season, but Clark's perception of his powers and his life haven't changed. We've also seen Clark and Lana have essentially the same wedge between them since season 2, regardless of their relationship status. The only thing that would change if Chloe and Clark got together would be the fact that they kiss and make out on a regular basis. It would just be a different flavor of eye candy.

[unPTC]

Chloe seems to be handling it quite fine (it's her die hard fans who are not!)...Did it ever occur to anyone that she might actually be heaving a big sigh of relief that she doesn't have to deal with all the complications that come with Clark? I loved her in this episode...the scenes with her and Clark doing their sleuthing were the only light moments of the episode (except for sheriff, but she died so it's hard to dwell on her funny moments)And she didn't let Clark off easy...that's the Chloe that I adore

[puddinpiester]

I didn't get the impression that Clark was asking Chloe to spy on Lana. Chloe said that. All Clark asked her to do was find out how long Lana and Lex had been working together on the spaceship thingie. Perhaps he wanted to know if it started sometime around when he arose from the dead. Maybe he thinks Lex and Lana know more than he or even Chloe realize. If you find out about something that's already happened (when Lex and Lana started their investigation) is it really spying? I consider spying to be in the present or future tense.
afterall, he only asked her to find out one thing. Unless I missed something.

[Daphne]

I feel bad for Chloe too. She needs to find her own hunka hunka burnin' love. Go get em' Chloe!

[ryb]

As soon as I saw the Clark-Chloe and Clark-Lana scenes this week, I knew there'd be a firestorm of posts/threads on the subject of Clark's handling of both women. Undoubtedly the powder keg of Smallville fans, this triangle is forever destined to be the most controversial among viewers.

While watching Lockdown, I got the distinct impression that the episode began the slippery slope of Clark's distrust of Lana. Take, for example...

1) Clark's discovery that Lana is investigating the spaceship, and that the spaceship's design has a LuthorCorp insignia on the stationery. Kind of a surprise to Clark based on the partial "coming clean" scene in Fanatic.
2) Clark asks Chloe to investigate how long Lex and Lana have been working together. Possible reasons for this include:
a) At what time did the investigation begin relative to Clark's resurrection?
b) Was Lana's answer of a "couple weeks" (which, btw, was a lie based on the timeline) accurate, or has she been investigating with Lex longer?
c) How did the investigation begin, and who instigated it?
3) Lana's behind-doors friendship with Lex. Obviously due to the growing distance between Clark and Lex, the jealousy is growing all around.

I bring these issues up because I cannot get over the fact that many people have this theory that everything should be so smooth and pretty and nice and flowery. Folks, these are teens just about to enter adulthood. There's a reason the phrase "growing pains" exists. Are these flawed characters? Yes, of course they are. If they aren't, what would be the point of watching? Their actions would be predetermined and boring to witness.

The significance of the flaws is also not surprising. If, as the writers have stated since the beginning, Clark and Lana are destined to fail, and both are generally good people (which no one can deny logically) -- it's not surprising (to me, at least) that both act in ways that are detrimental to the relationship.

The Chloe aspect is interesting since she's the "intermediary" of sorts. Chloe's friendship to Clark is as solid as it has ever been, but Allison Mack beautifully added a hint of more still with Chloe this week.

I think another thing that viewers have got to realize is that Clark and Chloe are destined to fail in a relationship too (For clarity, relationship does not mean friendship). For the record, I'm not even going to acknowledge the Chloe-is-Lois thing. That's for another thread. Clark's feelings for Lana have always been the stumbling block for Chloe. Does Clark realize Chloe's feelings completely? Of course not.

But, and here's the kicker, a relationship requires two people. Just because Chloe wants it doesn't mean it should happen. Sure, Chloe's a terrific person and a great friend -- but I'm not sure if a relationship would make it better. Especially when the feelings are not mutual.

Was Clark being a jerk to Chloe? Intentionally, I don't think so. I think Clark loves Chloe as a friend. Is Clark's continuing desire to hide things from Lana detrimental to their relationship? Of course it is! And the same goes for Lana. This is the slippery slope that the series has been gearing up for. These aren't flawless characters! Could they be better? Yes. And what better way for that to happen than by experience. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[Dannyblue1]

People keep trying to turn this into a Chlark vs. Clana thing, but that has nothing to do with it. I'm calling Clark on the way he treated Chloe in this episode, just as I've called him out on the way he's treated...well, just about everyone but Lionel. Everyone has gotten a taste of Clark's self-absorbed insensitivity. Lana. His parents. Lex. Pete. Everybody. This thing with Chloe is just the latest. Proving that, in five seasons, he's learned diddly.

And if Clark isn't sharp enough to get that talking like some dime store romance novel hero about his girlfriend to another girl that he knows had, and still has, feelings for him would potentially hurt that girl, then he's as dumb as a box of rocks.

And his age is not an exscuse. I know 12 year old boys who would've known that wasn't a good idea.

[No-El]

It hurt to see Chloe that way and they did the camera angles to show us this heart wrenching portrayal of LOVE and INSENSIVITY!

Love on Chloe's part vs. Insensitivity on BDA's part

The Episode Lockdown, has now soldified my view of BDA and his narrow focused behavior toward Chloe's feelings as:


A CERTIFIED AND INSENSITIVE BDA!! :mad:


STAMPED GRADE AAA -- BDA by the Dept. of Chlarkers!:mad: :mad:


Notice I did not mention the BDA's given (Human) or birth name (Kryptonian) in this post!:mad: :mad:

[Lifebound]

The 'pain in Chloe's eyes' can even be seen in a completely different light. Personally, the way Clark treats her, she is extremely unfortunate to have feelings for him.

But her pain is I think caused by something else. Chloe could accept the idea that Clark loves Lana, etc. The pain she sees is because of the way she sees Clark.

Chloe looks at Clark and sees him as her personal symbol for justice, for the man who wants no credit for the amazing things he does (saves people). She sees him as a normal human trying to cope with things that are beyond normal humans to cope with.

I think that for Chloe, as long as Clark saves people, her perception will not change. What is hurting her is that she knows Clark would never intentionally be idiotic, but HE IS. She feels betrayed by the ignorance of the symbol that she has let penetrate her heart for so long.

This isn't even about Lana, it is purely about how Clark is betraying himself. I couldn't help but notice the similarity in TEMPERAMENT to Red-K Clark. The only difference was that Clark wasn't robbing banks and stuff and wasn't screaming as loudly.

[photogirl]

Chloe is willing to tell him the truth..even if she knows he won't like it..and she is what he needs. He's going to mess everything up trying to keep his secret from Lana and if he was to tell lana than it would be because chloe convinced him to. She deserves at least some sensitivity in return..although I wouldn't mind if she got more than sensitivity. Clark is just being stupid...

[umm]

I have been saying for five seasons that Clark is a slow learner, to say it mildly, add to that, he can be ignorant, insensitive, self-obsorbed etc... This latest episode just proves that! Clark saves people´s lives, but he doesn´t get involved! He more often than not, fails to see what´s inside of his friends and family members, namely he is not very considerate to the feelings and needs of others! the only person Clark wants to make happy is CLARK! For the past five years, it has mostly been about CLARK, CLARK and CLARK, and not in the good way! That boy need some serious talking to, and he needs to grow up! This ´Oh, give him a break´ stick is getting old realy fast!

[shirkie]

Pete? Pete who? Who is this "Pete" that people say Clark should talk to? Is that the guy who advertised the Talon Mix and Lemon Pledge? Isn't he on an upcoming episode of the soon-to-be-dead "7th Heaven" (something about a race hate crime or something).

I wish they'd stick with the comics and make Lana marry Pete and move to Wichita with him.
shirkie

[Watching Smallville]

Lifebound, you wrote an interesting post. I saw the look she gave as shock -- so perhaps she's shocked at Clark's behavior as well as shocked that he would be so thoughtless of her.

Allison really pulled off that scene. I was feeling no sympathy for Clark at all.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by unPTC
Chloe seems to be handling it quite fine (it's her die hard fans who are not!)...Did it ever occur to anyone that she might actually be heaving a big sigh of relief that she doesn't have to deal with all the complications that come with Clark?

Clarks a jerk.....so what are her fans supposed to say? Oh yeah, I guess unless they stay quiet about it.....they are not handling it well? Listen to what you are saying. Would you be okay with it if it was a family member of yours that got treated that way?

[ferd]

Originally posted by shirkie
Pete? Pete who? Who is this "Pete" that people say Clark should talk to? Is that the guy who advertised the Talon Mix and Lemon Pledge? Isn't he on an upcoming episode of the soon-to-be-dead "7th Heaven" (something about a race hate crime or something).

I wish they'd stick with the comics and make Lana marry Pete and move to Wichita with him.
shirkie

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[I want Lana Lang]

Okay, now that i've read EVERY reply to this post...

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe that painful look she had was just showing sympathy for her friend? Thats how I read it.

They havent played on Chloes's feelings for Clark all season(I mean, besides Lex's third wheel comment....which I dont even think counts).

I think I'm the only one who sees that Chloe has finally moved passed Clark and has accepted him as her best friend.

Actually I dont even think they've played on Chloe's feelings since Spirit...

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Lifebound, you wrote an interesting post. I saw the look she gave as shock -- so perhaps she's shocked at Clark's behavior as well as shocked that he would be so thoughtless of her.

Allison really pulled off that scene. I was feeling no sympathy for Clark at all.

So right you are......no sympathy from me that's for sure......honestly....during scenes like that the auto pilot in me automatically comes on and yells "F*** you Clark" at the screen.......hummm......quite therapeutic actually......and well deserved I might add.



*okay......I must remember.....these are just characters.......and Clark's character writting sucks......must remember that.

[chloefan]

I so totally missed it. Is there anywhere on here that's just like a recap section?

[ferd]

IMHO they had been trying to show Chloe as being accepting of Clark and Lana's relationship, being that Chloe has begun to grow up, and I think having the knowledge of who Clark really is has helped her evolution into adulthood. However, I cannot deny the look that she gave, a sort of crushed, and sad look, which has me torn over how it is to be interpreted. Part of me sees it as a sliver of her deep rooted feelings for the man she will never have, OR the sort of pained look stemming from her desire to see him become something bigger, greater than just a husband to Lana. She sees his potential, and I wonder if she is sort of hurt to see him not want to embrace it more.

I sincerely hope for Chloe's sake that she is over Clark once and for all, because it's been made quite clear to me that TPTB have no intentions to give her any Clark luvin' in Smallville. I mean she's already hookin' up with Lana, and Lois has pulled the next number to be called. I just cross my fingers they'll give her someone worthy, or make Clark one day appreciate all she's done for him.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by photogirl
Chloe is willing to tell him the truth..even if she knows he won't like it..and she is what he needs. He's going to mess everything up trying to keep his secret from Lana and if he was to tell lana than it would be because chloe convinced him to. She deserves at least some sensitivity in return..although I wouldn't mind if she got more than sensitivity. Clark is just being stupid...

Right on the money.....and Clark is being Stupid........our slick little blonde needs to be with someone more on her I.Q. level.......where is Bruce Wayne when you need him?......Even if it's just a one night stand.......what the hell, Bruce Wayne may be a dark and brooding fellow....but he is far more noble than Smallville's village idiot has been this season.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Really I feel for Chloe, but if it bothers her about Clark talking about his sex life, she needs to speak up and say something instead of letting him dump his problems all over her.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Really I feel for Chloe, but if it bothers her about Clark talking about his sex life, she needs to speak up and say something instead of letting him dump his problems all over her.

I wonder if thinking that ......and thinking that she should also try to be a good friend...............are thoughts that are at odds with each other? If you are a true friend.......they should be.....no matter which way you eventually go.

*actually, I didn't word this right......see my later post regarding this......from the way this response was worded, ma200 below is correct.

[ma200]

Originally posted by CK&CK
I wonder if thinking that ......and thinking that she should also try to be a good friend...............are thoughts that are at odds with each other? If you are a true friend.......they should be.....no matter which way you eventually go.

Ahh..no.

She'd still be a good friend by saying, "Clark, the world isn't about you, you and you. So quit being a stupid, narcissistic pr##k. I find it sad that you're more concerned about screwing Lana than actually focusing on how much good you can bring to this world. And I like to thank for showing me your true side; of how inconsiderate you are about my feelings and how little this friendship means to you. So...thank you. Thank you very much and go !@#$ yourself." :lol:

See, being a good friend doesn't always mean saying things that your best friend wants to hear and it most certainly doesn't have to be in the nicest way possible. :D

[LolaDane]

Originally posted by ma200

She'd still be a good friend by saying, "Clark, the world isn't about you, you and you. So quit being a stupid, narcissistic pr##k. I find it sad that you're more concerned about screwing Lana than actually focusing on how much good you can bring to this world. And I like to thank for showing me your true side; of how inconsiderate you are about my feelings and how little this friendship means to you. So...thank you. Thank you very much and go !@#$ yourself." :lol:



:rotfl: That is absolutely priceless. Pure gold. I'd give anything to hear Chloe tell him off. The boy deserves it. I say being blunt and pulling no punches is the way to go! :lol:

[opera_ghost]

sometimes it hard for someone to entirely let something go like that. She accepts that clark doesn't love her like he loves lana... but to hear him basically say that he wants to marry her. (That's that the 'rest of my life' thing means)... that brought up a twinge of pain.

*Some days are better than others*

She did at least act very maturely about it.. and not try to lowball him with bad advice like lex has done to lana in the past in reguards to clark.

[Adctdtosv]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
She's just being mature about it and a really good sport. I don't think her feelings have changed at all.

Chloe gives Clark the advice that he needs to possibly make the Clois relationship work, regardless of her own true feelings for Clark. Remember how good it feels for her to be the only one who knows the truth about Clark. Telling Clark that he might have to have to be honest with Lois, now that's total love!

By the way, women mature faster then men at that age and during your teen years love has a way of blinding you to the truth, causing some to over-react and act like a jerk. That's just being a regular teen. Sooner or later he'll realize what an ass he was. Have patience with Clark. It's part of him growing up.

[Lifebound]

I somehow doubt Chloe will ever get over her feelings for Clark, which is on many levels unfortunate for Chloe. So if Clark wants to be friends with her, the least he can do is accept the fact that Chloe wants something more but won't ask for it and thus be sensitive towards her. I mean serioulsy, how idiotic can Clark be? In Devoted, Chloe told Clark she likes him. Surely, some memory of that should stick for someone who has a photographic memory. Besides, how could Clark not remember kissing Chloe on the cheek (or on the lips for that matter on other occasions) every time he sees her. There is something horribly wrong with Clark and it is causing Chloe pain.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Adctdtosv
By the way, women mature faster then men at that age and during your teen years love has a way of blinding you to the truth, causing some to over-react and act like a jerk. That's just being a regular teen. Sooner or later he'll realize what an ass he was.

And, until he has this epiphany, I'm going to call him on his jerk-like behavior.

Plus, compared to other males his age, Clark is very immature. It's not that he's acting like a typical 18 or 19 year old guy. He acts like a guy who's about 15 or 16.

I think the point people are trying to make is that Clark was more mature when he was 15 or 16. And a person is supposed to get more mature as they get older. Yet Clark has somehow managed to become less mature as the years pass.

[lexs&os]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Right on the money.....and Clark is being Stupid........our slick little blonde needs to be with someone more on her I.Q. level.......where is Bruce Wayne when you need him?......Even if it's just a one night stand.......what the hell, Bruce Wayne may be a dark and brooding fellow....but he is far more noble than Smallville's village idiot has been this season.

:lol: Absolutly!! Give her Bruce Wayne, for cryin' out loud!!

[photogirl]

Originally posted by I want Lana Lang
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Actually I dont even think they've played on Chloe's feelings since Spirit... [/B]

Actually they played on her feeling for clark in forever...the last line where she says " Maybe thing won't change very much after all.."

[Lifebound]

I disagree with the Bruce Wayne thing. Seriously, that would be taking her out of the fire and into a locked room with a time bomb. Find someone far better for Chloe.

[photogirl]

Yeah, I mean come on...she may want clark (although at this point I don't know why) but he doesn't deserve her....

The only reason I can think of for clark being so insensitive is because of what Chloe said in Hidden...
Clark: "We never talked about Lana"
Chloe: "Because we don't need to, Clark..I'm a big girl now."

She may have given him the impression that she's over him, and him being Clark he is too stupid to realize that she's really not over him, and be sensitive towards her.

[Crazy4Smallville]

I haven't read all the posts, so if this is a repeat of what someone has said, I'm sorry.

Someone mentioned that Chloe should get over and move on from having feelings from Clark. I have to disagree. If anything, her finding out what and who Clark really is, knowing what he does for the people around him would only make her love and admire him even more.

Chloe has been the ultimate friend. She's tried to tell Clark to tell Lana the truth, because she knows that if Lana knows the truth then Lana would only deepen her love for Clark by knowing what and who he really is. But, Clark is blinded by his own obsession. Because of that obsession, he can't see how much love Chloe has for him, because he doesn't understand what love is right now, nor can he recognize it.

Obsession is blinding. It changes the perception. Once Clark overcomes his obsession, he'll start to once again recognize the true love that has been sown into his life from his parents and from his friends. Love isn't about a physical attraction, chemical reaction or even an emotional attachment. Love is patient and kind. It does not envy or boast and is not proud. It is not rude or self-seeking and it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always hopes and always perserveres. Love never fails. I'm sorry, but I don't see any of those traits in Clark and Lana's relationship, however they are all evident in Clark and Chloe's.

[No-El]

Originally posted by umm
I have been saying for five seasons that Clark is a slow learner, to say it mildly, add to that, he can be ignorant, insensitive, self-obsorbed etc... This latest episode just proves that! Clark saves people´s lives, but he doesn´t get involved! He more often than not, fails to see what´s inside of his friends and family members, namely he is not very considerate to the feelings and needs of others! the only person Clark wants to make happy is CLARK! For the past five years, it has mostly been about CLARK, CLARK and CLARK, and not in the good way! That boy need some serious talking to, and he needs to grow up! This ´Oh, give him a break´ stick is getting old realy fast!



I agree with you, umm!

Particularly your last sentence---

However, I suspect in the very near future, Clark WILL get "A Serious Talking to.....from daddy Jor-El!!! That'll GROW HIM UP!! :mad: :mad:

[lexobsessed]

I agree, Clark is really getting on my nerves. The writers are making him look so bad. I feel like Clark hasn't changed throughout this whole series. Grow-up already! If he can't imagine being with anyone else, then just tell Lana your secret.

The things he says to Lana and Chloe...well in the famous words of Jennifer Aniston "he's missing a sensitivity chip". Lately he seems to have a complete disregard for other people's feelings. What are the writers thinking?

[No-El]

Originally posted by lexobsessed
I agree, Clark is really getting on my nerves. The writers are making him look so bad. I feel like Clark hasn't changed throughout this whole series. Grow-up already! If he can't imagine being with anyone else, then just tell Lana your secret.

The things he says to Lana and Chloe...well in the famous words of Jennifer Aniston "he's missing a sensitivity chip". Lately he seems to have a complete disregard for other people's feelings. What are the writers thinking?


I think the whole "insensitivity issue" is a deliberate setup by the writers......perhaps to lead us to the point where we see a Clark shaken by his poor choices will lead him to become more intune with human emotions than his own wants.

[Lifebound]

Originally posted by Crazy4Smallville
I haven't read all the posts, so if this is a repeat of what someone has said, I'm sorry.

Someone mentioned that Chloe should get over and move on from having feelings from Clark. I have to disagree. If anything, her finding out what and who Clark really is, knowing what he does for the people around him would only make her love and admire him even more.

Chloe has been the ultimate friend. She's tried to tell Clark to tell Lana the truth, because she knows that if Lana knows the truth then Lana would only deepen her love for Clark by knowing what and who he really is. But, Clark is blinded by his own obsession. Because of that obsession, he can't see how much love Chloe has for him, because he doesn't understand what love is right now, nor can he recognize it.

Obsession is blinding. It changes the perception. Once Clark overcomes his obsession, he'll start to once again recognize the true love that has been sown into his life from his parents and from his friends. Love isn't about a physical attraction, chemical reaction or even an emotional attachment. Love is patient and kind. It does not envy or boast and is not proud. It is not rude or self-seeking and it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always hopes and always perserveres. Love never fails. I'm sorry, but I don't see any of those traits in Clark and Lana's relationship, however they are all evident in Clark and Chloe's.

Wow. That was well said. You capture so very well what makes Chlark so attractive to many viewers. It is frustrating to see Clark make the mistake of letting his obsession dominate him. Again, this is the kind of irrational Clark we rarely see.

No-el: From an objective stand-point, I would agree that the insensitivity is a deliberate move on the writer's part. But how many times have the writers been so oblivious to what are the seeds of creative excellence? They honestly might not even pick up on Clark guilt towards Chloe because they overplay his grief towards whosoever dies.

[Billy Jor-El]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
As much as I hate to say (Chlarker at heart), Chloe needs to distance herself from Clark. She needs to get a GUY!!! I dont understand why they just dont give her one! Maybe once she does distance herself from Clark, he will realize something...;)

ME ME ME ME ME!!! (raises hand and touches the ceiling) :D

I got in late to this thread; I couldn't watch Thursday, had to have a friend record it for me, and I saw it Friday night.

Lots of comments on this thread, but indeed, Chloe is too dman decent and wonderful a person to hang around that BDA anymore. Get over it! Oh, wait, that's what we're talking about. She's probably the most mature person on the show, what with dealing with a BDA who keeps telling her about his feelings for someone else, all the while she still loves him. Anywhere else, they'd just walk away.

oh, and pick me, Chloe!!!

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ma200
Ahh..no.

She'd still be a good friend by saying, "Clark, the world isn't about you, you and you. So quit being a stupid, narcissistic pr##k. I find it sad that you're more concerned about screwing Lana than actually focusing on how much good you can bring to this world. And I like to thank for showing me your true side; of how inconsiderate you are about my feelings and how little this friendship means to you. So...thank you. Thank you very much and go !@#$ yourself." :lol:

See, being a good friend doesn't always mean saying things that your best friend wants to hear and it most certainly doesn't have to be in the nicest way possible. :D


Actually, I didn't really word my response like I should have. My mistake.....because I meant that being a good friend was either calling Clark on his stupidty and continue to stay by his side.....or if the pain got too bad.....distance yourself (but still call him on his stupidity before leaving).....at some point a good friend can be forced into the latter if their love is strong enough to hurt........and besides, Chloe has called him on his crap before......but we've seen how Clark reacts to it. She's told him what he needs to do. You're forcefull approach is what should work on the BDA.....short of hitting him over the head with a 2 x 4!........Personally, I think I'd go with the 2 by 4 myself.

[lyric96]

Oh good thread! I was looking for it.

CHLOE IS STILL IN LOVE WITH CLARK because when he said to her at the end :

-"I love her so much Chloe"

-"I know"(Chloe admited that very hardly)

and then Clark :

-"I wanna us to be together for the rest of our lives"
Chloe does look a little disappointed inside. However, she still advices Clark to tell Lana his secret. Besides she did the same thing last year when Clark lost his memory, Chloe said :"That...? is Lana Lang...the love of your life" so honnestly (but felt disappointed too)

Chloe is definately the GOOD GIRL in Smallville

[Lifebound]

And on some levels these scenes with Chloe giving solid advice to Clark even when she still loves him makes the scenes so heartbreaking.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Lifebound
I disagree with the Bruce Wayne thing. Seriously, that would be taking her out of the fire and into a locked room with a time bomb. Find someone far better for Chloe.

I disagree.....it wouldn't be lasting, but if handled right it would be great for our little slick blonde......the Ghosts that haunt Bruce are what push him to his noble quest. Chloe doesn't have to know about the road that he will take.....and where it will lead him......for someone like our Chloe.....just knowing enough that Bruce's calling is greater than his own wants and desires would be enough for Chloe to accept it for all it can be......a moment in time.......yet still infinitely more than Clark has ever given Chloe. If done right.....it would be awesome........I'd like to see that happen.....we could take a nice big bite out the stupid Kryptonian's heart then.

[lyric96]

Originally posted by Lifebound
And on some levels these scenes with Chloe giving solid advice to Clark even when she still loves him makes the scenes so heartbreaking.

Totally right, that's the word "so heartbreaking"

[Coyote]

Yes, Chloe is way too good for Clark. But no, she can't be with Bruce Wayne either because she's gonna be doing five to seven in federal prison for multiple counts of illegal computer hacking.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by Coyote
Yes, Chloe is way too good for Clark. But no, she can't be with Bruce Wayne either because she's gonna be doing five to seven in federal prison for multiple counts of illegal computer hacking.

Yes, she can be with Bruce Wayne.........remember, she'll only go to jail.......if she get's caught.

Chloe Sullivan: "But I am the slickest blonde you'll ever meet"

[No-El]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Yes, she can be with Bruce Wayne.........remember, she'll only go to jail.......if she get's caught.

Chloe Sullivan: "But I am the slickest blonde you'll ever meet"


It has been said that blondes have more fun!

Right now and sadly, Chloe is "the slickest blonde" that Clearly, is not having any fun listening to Clark's raving Lana obsessions!:( :mad:

[Lifebound]

Originally posted by No-El
It has been said that blondes have more fun!

Right now and sadly, Chloe is "the slickest blonde" that Clearly, is not having any fun listening to Clark's raving Lana obsessions!:( :mad:

Indeed, Chloe Sullivan is extremely different from the stereotypical blonde. In fact, she is like the anithesis of the stereotypical blonde. I can't help but wonder why Chloe doesn't have brown or black hair and why Clark doesn't have blonde hair!!!

[puddinpiester]

Guys, to quote (well, sort of) Lois from Pariah epi., I don't think Clark is thinking with his"big brain", and I feel certain that if Clark realized what an awkward and hurtful situatioln he's putting Chloe in, he would not do it.

[EmtWarrior]

She got enraged in season 2 about Clark not even telling her that he and Lana were going out. To the point to where she even investigated him for Lionel Luther. All Clark is doing now is being honest with her and talking to her about his problems with Lana. If that is hurting Chole, Clark shouldn't have to answer for it. It is what she wanted. She made that clear in a very ubrupt way.

[Jellie]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
She got enraged in season 2 about Clark not even telling her that he and Lana were going out. To the point to where she even investigated him for Lionel Luther. All Clark is doing now is being honest with her and talking to her about his problems with Lana. If that is hurting Chole, Clark shouldn't have to answer for it. It is what she wanted. She made that clear in a very ubrupt way.

WORD

[shy175223]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
She got enraged in season 2 about Clark not even telling her that he and Lana were going out. To the point to where she even investigated him for Lionel Luther. All Clark is doing now is being honest with her and talking to her about his problems with Lana. If that is hurting Chole, Clark shouldn't have to answer for it. It is what she wanted. She made that clear in a very ubrupt way.

No but he should have at least have be a little sensitive to her feelings when he talks to Chloe about his relationships especially when it comes to Lana. He should have been least a little careful with his words knowing the fact that Chloe still have feelings for him.

[No-El]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
She got enraged in season 2 about Clark not even telling her that he and Lana were going out. To the point to where she even investigated him for Lionel Luther. All Clark is doing now is being honest with her and talking to her about his problems with Lana. If that is hurting Chole, Clark shouldn't have to answer for it. It is what she wanted. She made that clear in a very ubrupt way.


Clark said in response to Chloe "we haven't talked about Lana..."

Chloe said "that's because we don't need to, I'm a big girl now"!
That was plain! But she still has remanats of feeling and love for her best friend exclusive of her desire to be with Clark.

Chloe would never jeapordize both Lana and Clark as her friends for and to interfer in their relationship. That was past!

Which she made amends to in a moment of weakness to Lionel Luthor's villainy!

[Lifebound]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
She got enraged in season 2 about Clark not even telling her that he and Lana were going out. To the point to where she even investigated him for Lionel Luther. All Clark is doing now is being honest with her and talking to her about his problems with Lana. If that is hurting Chole, Clark shouldn't have to answer for it. It is what she wanted. She made that clear in a very ubrupt way.

The reason for Chloe's anger in season 2 was Clark's insensitivity, not his dishonesty...the same insensitivity he is showing in season 5. In season 2, Chloe still liked Clark, and hoped that even if they could not be together, Clark would treat her like a proper friend. Neither in season 2 nor in season 5 ep. 98/9 did Clark act like a good friend. What varies is the way in which he acts like a prick. In season 2 by deceiving her (worse than lying) and in season 5 by being completely oblivious to the fact that she always buries her feelings for him so that she can be supportive of her.

[EmtWarrior]

Dang looks like I hit a nerve. LOL

[shy175223]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
Dang looks like I hit a nerve. LOL

yes especially when it comes Chloe.;)

[No-El]

Originally posted by Lifebound
The reason for Chloe's anger in season 2 was Clark's insensitivity, not his dishonesty...the same insensitivity he is showing in season 5. In season 2, Chloe still liked Clark, and hoped that even if they could not be together, Clark would treat her like a proper friend. Neither in season 2 nor in season 5 ep. 98/9 did Clark act like a good friend. What varies is the way in which he acts like a prick. In season 2 by deceiving her (worse than lying) and in season 5 by being completely oblivious to the fact that she always buries her feelings for him so that she can be supportive of her.


Correct and agreed!

In essence, Nothing Has Changed Between Them.....Only Their Age!! in seeming maturity (debate that premise for the BDA) :(

[Watching Smallville]

I can forgive Clark for bungling in Season 2 -- he just never got a chance to tell her. And Lana could have said something -- she did some fast footwork around Chloe in that episode. I actually think she came off worse than Clark because she was face to face with her friend and said nothing.

But Clark's insensitivity in Season 5 is just plain wrong. It's as if he has forgotten how to be kind. After more than one conversation with Martha about how to treat Chloe, you'd think he'd have a clue by now. What's going on, writers? Are we really meant to see Clark this way?

[Lifebound]

Watching Smallville, I agree with you about the Season 2 and 5 differences.

I hope we are supposed to see Clark this way because that would mean the writers have a plan. However, i have lost significant respect for the writers. I also think the show might lose some attention from Al/Miles because of Aquaman which essentially means less planning and supervision. So, the point is only time will tell if we truly are supposed to see Clark this way, and also time will tell if the writers will continue to trample over Chloe.

No-el: you have an uncanny ability to sum up things in a couple of sentences.

[SmallvilleMan]

I don't see any problem with Clark going to Chloe for advice on Lana. Who else is suppose to go to? There's no pete and he can't trust lex, he can't go to lois. That's what your bestfriend is there for. Your bestfriend is your go to person, for all major advice. Clark needs someone to talk to and that person is Chloe. It's easy to call Clark a loser or a jerk for talking to chloe about this, when he knows chloe had feelings for him(i dont think he thinks she likes him now), but he has no choice. If it was pete or lex from season 2, he'd be talking to them about it. What do you want clark to do, talk to himself about it?

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by EmtWarrior
She got enraged in season 2 about Clark not even telling her that he and Lana were going out. To the point to where she even investigated him for Lionel Luther. All Clark is doing now is being honest with her and talking to her about his problems with Lana. If that is hurting Chole, Clark shouldn't have to answer for it. It is what she wanted. She made that clear in a very ubrupt way.

She meant for Clark to tell her the truth so that she could deal with it....."You're a big boy.....I'm a big girl"......but sadly Clark still hasn't realized this....... as he is proving yet again with Lana. And just because someone is being mature about something that is painful to them doesn't mean that it's okay to constantly have it shoved in their face. Clark should answer for that.....he's an insensitive moron.

[SmallvilleMan]

She meant for Clark to tell her the truth so that she could deal with it....."You're a big boy.....I'm a big girl"......but sadly Clark still hasn't realized this....... as he is proving yet again with Lana. And just because someone is being mature about something that is painful to them doesn't mean that it's okay to constantly have it shoved in their face. Clark should answer for that.....he's an insensitive moron.

Honestly...... Chloe is his best friend, who else is clark going to talk to about this? And if Clark doesn't like having clana shoved in her face, here's an idea, why doesn't she get a boyfriend? Get someone else, move on. But seriously, Clark needs someone to talk to about this. He's not being insensitive, because he doesn't believe chloe likes him anymore. He's just doing what best friends do, talk to each other.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by shy175223
No but he should have at least have be a little sensitive to her feelings when he talks to Chloe about his relationships especially when it comes to Lana. He should have been least a little careful with his words knowing the fact that Chloe still have feelings for him.

I think Season One Clark would have been careful.......and very tactful.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Honestly...... Chloe is his best friend, who else is clark going to talk to about this? And if Clark doesn't like having clana shoved in her face, here's an idea, why doesn't she get a boyfriend? Get someone else, move on. But seriously, Clark needs someone to talk to about this. He's not being insensitive, because he doesn't believe chloe likes him anymore. He's just doing what best friends do, talk to each other.

Smallvilleman,

This is the same girl that betrayed Clark back in Season 2 after seeing him and Lana slobberin' all over each other. Not to mention that she once told him pointblank in Devoted that she still had feelings for him.

Why the heck would he believe that Chloe got over him? If he did, that's a dumb!@$%

[SmallvilleMan]

Why the heck would he believe that Chloe got over him? If he did, Clark's a dumb!@$%

Devoted was over a year ago and i don't think chloe has shown any signs of having feelings toward him since Blank. But that's besides the point, Clark needs to talk to chloe, he has no one else. Like I said before, if pete were here and the lex from seasons 1-3 were here, he'd be talking to them about this.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Devoted was over a year ago and i don't think chloe has shown any signs of having feelings toward him since Blank. But that's besides the point, Clark needs to talk to chloe, he has no one else. Like I said before, if pete were here and the lex from seasons 1-3 were here, he'd be talking to them about this.

Do you remember Spirit?

Also, she once said this season that she accepts that Clark is in a relationship with Lana. Key word is "accept." That doesn't mean she's over him. There was no indication she was over him. She knows that Clark does love Lana but she just didn't knew the extent of that love. That's why she had that same sad look again in Lockdown.

I still think Clark should be considerate of her feelings even knowing that she may have feelings for him still.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Honestly...... Chloe is his best friend, who else is clark going to talk to about this? And if Clark doesn't like having clana shoved in her face, here's an idea, why doesn't she get a boyfriend? Get someone else, move on. But seriously, Clark needs someone to talk to about this. He's not being insensitive, because he doesn't believe chloe likes him anymore. He's just doing what best friends do, talk to each other.

Sorry, I....along with a lot of people seem to disagree with you. And Clark's a moron if he thinks Chloe is over him. Four + years that the little gal's been hooked on the guy....and Clark thinks oh she's mature now......yeah, that must mean she's over me......there's a reason he's called the BDA. And here's an idea.....why don't you mention you're very "original" idea of a boyfriend to Al Gough. Oh yeah....... unfortunately, Gough's more of a loser than Clarkie. To bad Smallvilleman....because for once I'd rather that the Kryptonian jerk stay as far away from the "slickest little blonde" as possible. To bad for Chloe that she happens to be the brains of this outfit.

[SmallvilleMan]

Do you remember Spirit?

Yeah, which is why I said Blank and spirit was before blank. Speaking of spirit, i didn't like chloe's line saying how clark deserted her.


Also, she once said this season that she accepts that Clark is in a relationship with Lana. Key word is "accept." That doesn't mean she's over him. There was no indication she was over him. She knows that Clark does love Lana but she just didn't knew the extent of that love. That's why she had that same sad look again in Lockdown.

tu shaw and i agree that here is no indication she's over him, because she hasn't gotten a new love or boyfriend. Which is kind of sad.... Anyways, I think she should have known the extent, considering their history. I understand her feeling sad though, but seriously, it's been five years, time to move on?


I still think Clark should be considerate of her feelings even knowing that she may have feelings for him still.

Then what is clark suppose to do? Keep what's going on with him and lana inside? He NEEDS someone to talk to. Someone who he can lean on and help him. Yes, it's not really fair to chloe, but she's his best friend and he needs her.

[ma200]

Also, do you know why I mention that betrayal back in season 2. That's how far Chloe went after having her heart broken? So really, Clark had no reason to believe that she's over him.

[SmallvilleMan]

Sorry, I....along with a lot of people seem to disagree with you. And Clark's a moron if he thinks Chloe is over him. Four + years that the little gal's been hooked on the guy....and Clark thinks oh she's mature now......yeah, that must mean she's over me......there's a reason he's called the BDA. And here's an idea.....why don't you mention you're very "original" idea of a boyfriend to Al Gough. Oh yeah....... unfortunately, Gough's more of a loser than Clarkie. To bad Smallvilleman....because for once I'd rather that the Kryptonian jerk stay as far away from the "slickest little blonde" as possible. To bad for Chloe that she happens to be the brains of this outfit.

I'm sorry, but my opinions are my opinions and the whole world could disagree if they liked. And you know what, you're actually right. Clark is just an idiot and jerk. I mean, he should really be thinking about chloe feelings as he's being teared up inside. That's great, let's just focus on chloe. Yes, chloe is the brains of the outfit, I mean she should be smart, seeing as how she spends all her time on a computer, because she has no life.


Also, do you know why I mention that betrayal back in season 2. That's how far Chloe went after having her heart broken? So really, Clark had no reason to believe that she's over him

Off course i know why you mentioned it. I read you like a book;) :p I do agree clark has no real reason to believe she's over him, except for the conversation at the end of hidden. Also the fact, that she no longer makes sarcastic remarks about him finding somebody else or things like that. Again though, clark has to talk to her about that stuff, chloe needs to put her feelings aside for her friends and that's what she's doing.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Then what is clark suppose to do? Keep what's going on with him and lana inside? He NEEDS someone to talk to. Someone who he can lean on and help him. Yes, it's not really fair to chloe, but she's his best friend and he needs her.

If Chloe actually have a boyfriend now then I wouldn't of mind that Clark goes to Chloe would his relationship problems but she doesn't. I have to wonder why Clark never thought of that.

This is what Clark should do:

Call Pete

OR

SUCK. IT. UP

[SmallvilleMan]

If Chloe actually have a boyfriend now then I wouldn't of mind that Clark goes to Chloe would his relationship problems but she doesn't. I have to wonder why Clark never thought of that.

Clark has his own problems....

Talk to Pete? Yeah, i'm sure that would work. "Hey pete, it's clark, we haven't talked in a year and a half, but i wanted your advice on Lana.":lol:

Suck it up? Come on, have you no heart?:eek: :(

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ma200
If Chloe actually have a boyfriend now then I wouldn't of mind that Clark goes to Chloe would his relationship problems but she doesn't. I have to wonder why Clark never thought of that.

This is what Clark should do:

Call Pete

OR

SUCK. IT. UP

I'd go with SUCK IT UP........if Chloe can do it for 4+ years, then so can Clarkie.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Clark has his own problems....

Talk to Pete? Yeah, i'm sure that would work. "Hey pete, it's clark, we haven't talked in a year and a half, but i wanted your advice on Lana.":lol:

Suck it up? Come on, have you no heart?:eek: :(

Why not? Pete's a guy and like most guys, they always b!!ch about this, "Why the hell can't girls just tell us what they want??"

and yes, I had to suck it up too sometimes when something doesn't happen the way I want it toand other ppl have other problems much more serious than Clark's that kept it locked up too.

[SmallvilleMan]

I'd go with SUCK IT UP........if Chloe can do it for 4+ years, then so can Clarkie.

Except their situations are different. Clark shouldn't have to suck it up.


Why not? Pete's a guy and like most guys, they always b!!ch about this, "Why the hell can't girls just tell us what they want??"

Because Clark hasn't talked to Pete in a while and Pete has no clue what's going on.

Secondly, Clark has always sucked it up before. Do I have to remind you of the first four seasons? Where he had almost as many problems as he does now.

[ma200]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan

Secondly, Clark has always sucked it up before. Do I have to remind you of the first four seasons? Where he had almost as many problems as he does now.

I don't care about whether or not Clark lays out his baggage about his relationship with Lana. What I do care about is whether or not it's right to lay it out on Chloe. And IMO, it's not. And Clark had no reason to believe she's over him.

[SmallvilleMan]

I don't care about whether or not Clark lays out his baggage about his relationship with Lana. What I do care about is whether or not it's right to lay it out on Chloe. And IMO, it's not. And Clark had no reason to believe she's over him.

Point made, but if you can't lay out your problems on your best friend, then who can you lay them on? Maybe Clark needs a new best friend, where's Pete when you need him?

[CK&CK]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Smallvilleman
I'm sorry, but my opinions are my opinions and the whole world could disagree if they liked. And you know what, you're actually right. Clark is just an idiot and jerk. I mean, he should really be thinking about chloe feelings as he's being teared up inside. That's great, let's just focus on chloe. Yes, chloe is the brains of the outfit, I mean she should be smart, seeing as how she spends all her time on a computer, because she has no life.[/B][QUOTE]


I wouldn't say the whole world disagrees with you.....but there seems to be a few. And why should Clark be thinking about anyone but himself? Because that would be so out of character at this point............(that is.....unless it's Lana or he's busy pulling whoever it is out of a burning building).



The Matrix Reloaded ( Agent Smith 1 & 2 both doing their best imitation of Clark Kent )

Agent Smith: "Me, me, me.....me"

2nd Agent Smith: "Me to"

[SmallvilleMan]

I wouldn't say the whole world disagrees with you.....but there seems to be a few. And why should Clark be thinking about anyone but himself? Because that would be so out of character at this point............(that is.....unless it's Lana or he's busy pulling whoever it is out of a burning building).

Yes, how insensitive of clark to not think of chloe, when has to worry about losing the only girl he's ever loved....... Oh and then there's that little thing about someone he loves dying....

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Except their situations are different. Clark shouldn't have to suck it up.



Because Clark hasn't talked to Pete in a while and Pete has no clue what's going on.

Secondly, Clark has always sucked it up before. Do I have to remind you of the first four seasons? Where he had almost as many problems as he does now.

He hasn't sucked it up.....because Chloe's told him what he should do....and he hasn't done it. The first four seasons are not the here and now (especially since he hasn't learned anything from them). Clark should suck it up, tell Lana....or "move on" as you like to say. But it seems like only Lexana has the God like Power to move Clark's big A** and make him suck it up. How funny.


Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Yes, how insensitive of clark to not think of chloe, when has to worry about losing the only girl he's ever loved....... Oh and then there's that little thing about someone he loves dying....

The dying thing is a different problem for Clark in and of itself......Losing the only girl he's ever loved....well, he's made his bed (as well as got nookie in it)....so let him lie in it.....lie?....how ironic..........it's his problem.....not Chloe's. That's the bottom line....friend or no friend.

[jaime,oburg]

The bottom line is that even though Chloe still loves (and probally always will love) Clark, she puts his needs and feelings before her own no matter how painful it may be. That is a true friend. That is what true love is all about. Clark will hopefully figure out the difference between true love and teenage lust and obsession.

[SmallvilleMan]

He hasn't sucked it up.....because Chloe's told him what he should do....and he hasn't done it. The first four seasons are not the here and now (especially since he hasn't learned anything from them). Clark should suck it up, tell Lana....or "move on" as you like to say. But it seems like only Lexana has the God like Power to move Clark's big A** and make him suck it up. How funny.

How Chloe told him what to do? Yeah, I'm sure that makes it a lot easier for him. Seeing as Chloe knows exactly what he's going through.......:rolleyes: Funny, how you see it as this little easy thing for Clark, when IT'S HIS LIFE. Wow...


The dying thing is a different problem for Clark in and of itself......Losing the only girl he's ever loved....well, he's made his bed (as well as got nookie in it)....so let him lie in it.....lie?....how ironic..........it's his problem.....not Chloe's. That's the bottom line....friend or no friend.

If he can't share all his problem's with chloe, then maybe he needs a new best friend.


The bottom line is that even though Chloe still loves (and probally always will love) Clark, she puts his needs and feelings before her own no matter how painful it may be. That is a true friend. That is what true love is all about. Clark will hopefully figure out the difference between true love and teenage lust and obsession

Yeah, she puts his needs and feelings ahead of his in this season. Oh and as for the true love part, :lol: . I'm sorry, but your true love doesn't go behind your back and sell you out like chloe did. And true love comes from the heart and that's where Clana love comes from.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
The bottom line is that even though Chloe still loves (and probally always will love) Clark, she puts his needs and feelings before her own no matter how painful it may be. That is a true friend. That is what true love is all about. Clark will hopefully figure out the difference between true love and teenage lust and obsession.

Chloe does put his needs and feelings before her own, but in the end it's Clark's problem......and that doesn't change simply because she's willing to be there for him. And you can bet that TPTB will try to clean up Clark's behavior around Chloe in a later episode.....I'm just not sure that a lot of us are going to be able to accept it.

[No-El]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
How Chloe told him what to do? Yeah, I'm sure that makes it a lot easier for him. Seeing as Chloe knows exactly what he's going through.......:rolleyes: Funny, how you see it as this little easy thing for Clark, when IT'S HIS LIFE. Wow...



If he can't share all his problem's with chloe, then maybe he needs a new best friend.



Yeah, she puts his needs and feelings ahead of his in this season. Oh and as for the true love part, :lol: . I'm sorry, but your true love doesn't go behind your back and sell you out like chloe did. And true love comes from the heart and that's where Clana love comes from.


True love forgives, confesses and repents! And makes amends!

Chloe's heart is not inherently EVIL, despite her human/mortal weakness we all have!

CAST THE FIRST STONE if you must!

Just consider and be careful, which character of Smallville you hit!

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
How Chloe told him what to do? Yeah, I'm sure that makes it a lot easier for him. Seeing as Chloe knows exactly what he's going through.......:rolleyes: Funny, how you see it as this little easy thing for Clark, when IT'S HIS LIFE. Wow...

Yes, it's his life. And the advice Chloe gave him was the same any reasonable person would've given him. In fact, deep down, Clark knows she's right. He's just too afraid to do it.



If he can't share all his problem's with chloe, then maybe he needs a new best friend.

There are some things I don't discuss with my best friend because I know some of the things she's gone through in the past, and I know it would cause her pain, or at least unease. And, as her friend, I don't want to hurt her unnecessarilly.



I'm sorry, but your true love doesn't go behind your back and sell you out like chloe did.

People in love are capable of all sorts of nasty things, sadly. Doesn't make those things acceptable, of course, but it's true. As for the things Chloe did three years ago, I think she's more than atoned for them, learned from them, and has grown and matured as a result.

[SmallvilleMan]

:rotfl: I know Chloe's heart is good and pure. But some people act she's Saint Mary and she isn't. She didn't confess either, she got caught and then tried to turn it around on clark, when he called her out on it. Anyways, she does love him, but clark loves Lana and vice versa.

[No-El]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
:rotfl: I know Chloe's heart is good and pure. But some people act she's Saint Mary and she isn't. She didn't confess either, she got caught and then tried to turn it around on clark, when he called her out on it. Anyways, she does love him, but clark loves Lana and vice versa.


Don't worry about some people which have rights to opinions as you or I!

Everyone has a favorite Character we love and defend yours and Chloe is no different!

As i reiterate,

Chloe's heart is not inherently EVIL, despite her human/mortal WEAKNESS we all have!

She has made amends for past acts otherwise, she would have not gotten to this current point in time (Season 5's Best Friend) to be friends to both lovers----Clark and Lana!!

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
How Chloe told him what to do? Yeah, I'm sure that makes it a lot easier for him. Seeing as Chloe knows exactly what he's going through.......:rolleyes: Funny, how you see it as this little easy thing for Clark, when IT'S HIS LIFE. Wow...



If he can't share all his problem's with chloe, then maybe he needs a new best friend.
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CKCK:

***Maybe he does.....although it takes two to be friends....I'm not sure Clark qualifies as a best friend now****

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Yeah, she puts his needs and feelings ahead of his in this season. Oh and as for the true love part, :lol: . I'm sorry, but your true love doesn't go behind your back and sell you out like chloe did. And true love comes from the heart and that's where Clana love comes from.

Firstly, signing a deal with Devil, and actually going through with it are two different things (hence the reason Lionel made her life hell, and almost blew her up)......but you will never accept that so let's just say that the past is just that....the past....and she's learned from it.....unlike the Kryptonian idiot. And it's so sad that you have to keep going back to that same old "Chloe betrayed him" defense............when she's done so much for him since......especially risk her own life. Face it (but I'd be willing to bet that you won't).....without Chloe (who has no super powers....except her brain that is....the only power that seems to elude Clark) there would be no "Fortress of Solitude", no "Zod free world", and definitely no "Clark/Lana"....just Lana and Clark Kent's tombstone which would now reside somewhere up North.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am always amazed about the face time Chloe gets on this board. People are always surprised when Chloe gets smashed or the short end of the stick from Clark&Lana. Chloe has been treated by the writers as a plot device. A plot device to show the girl who was not the prom queen, and did not get the guy. I think Chloe is a great character and her work as Clark's robin or Clark's sidekick has been good. But trust me, the writers will continually break your heart if you think Chloe's position will change. She always will be the Charlie Brown of Smallville. I love Chloe, but I know before every episode, "Okay, when are they going to pull the football away from Chloe".

[No-El]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Firstly, signing a deal with Devil, and actually going through with it are two different things (hence the reason Lionel made her life hell, and almost blew her up)......but you will never accept that so let's just say that the past is just that....the past....and she's learned from it.....unlike the Kryptonian idiot. And it's so sad that you have to keep going back to that same old "Chloe betrayed him" defense............when she's done so much for him since......especially risk her own life. Face it (but I'd be willing to bet that you won't).....without Chloe (who has no super powers....except her brain that is....the only power that seems to elude Clark) there would be no "Fortress of Solitude", no "Zod free world", and definitely no "Clark/Lana"....just Lana and Clark Kent's tombstone which would now reside somewhere up North.


True statement and shared sentiment!

Chloe has been there every step of the way!

She is indeed though "Lovelorned" a true "Supergirl"!

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I am always amazed about the face time Chloe gets on this board. People are always surprised when Chloe gets smashed or the short end of the stick from Clark&Lana. Chloe has been treated by the writers as a plot device. A plot device to show the girl who was not the prom queen, and did not get the guy. I think Chloe is a great character and her work as Clark's robin or Clark's sidekick has been good. But trust me, the writers will continually break your heart if you think Chloe's position will change. She always will be the Charlie Brown of Smallville. I love Chloe, but I know before every episode, "Okay, when are they going to pull the football away from Chloe".

I agree only in that they want us to keep routing for her as the underdog....as well as keep us hoping....so that we keep watching. Her character has evolved into more than just a plot device....and I believe that TPTB realized it early on (except that Moron Al Gough). But they won't go anywhere near that....not for a long while yet....because it's a threat to Clark/Lana, and they don't want to lose that big fan base while they can still keep the Chlark fan base hoping. Making Clark a jerk might make this approach backfire though.....we will just have to wait and see.

However, if Chloe's fan base continues to grow as it has been..........DC and TPTB may find it impossible to ignore the subject. The only glitch in this will be how this year's Superman movie affects the Clark/Lois dynamics of the series. Our favorite Smallville quarterback may end up trying to hand the football off to our Chloe.....only to fumble it away yet again.


Originally posted by No-El
True statement and shared sentiment!

Chloe has been there every step of the way!

She is indeed though "Lovelorned" a true "Supergirl"!

Thanks No-El.

Chloe's betrayal?.....Well, she "Talked the talk", but she didn't "Walk the walk". Frankly, I'm amazed as to how so many want to "conveniently" ignore that little well known fact. And giving Lionel stuff that she knew he already had does not constitute betrayal.......especially since it had nothing to do with revealing any of his secrets.

Maybe we should start a new Chloe website and call it "Real.Supergirl.com".

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan




Yeah, she puts his needs and feelings ahead of his in this season. Oh and as for the true love part, :lol: . I'm sorry, but your true love doesn't go behind your back and sell you out like chloe did. And true love comes from the heart and that's where Clana love comes from.

Ughhh! For the last time, Chloe did not "sell out". She never betrayed Clark. She went to Lionel in a moment of emotional weakness courtsey of Clark Kent. God knows Clark has had many of them. And when Chloe did not follow through with Lionel's schemes he fired her father, got her canned from the DP gig, blacklisted her father from ever getting a decent job and had to live in a single bedroom apt with her father because of all the money problems. Yet still she refused to cooperate with Lionel. In Whisper Lionel says so himself that you never really gave me anything and Chloe tells Clark(again in Whisper) himself when he asks that "I didn't give Lionel anything that he didn't already have". She never betrays him or sells him out! Clark has forgiven and forgotten this a LONG time ago Smallville Man shouldn't you have by now too.;)

[lyric96]

Really Chloe needs a guy a hot one please, she can't keep it up this way it would be a waste to see her character being used this way as engine search!

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I am always amazed about the face time Chloe gets on this board. People are always surprised when Chloe gets smashed or the short end of the stick from Clark&Lana. Chloe has been treated by the writers as a plot device. A plot device to show the girl who was not the prom queen, and did not get the guy. I think Chloe is a great character and her work as Clark's robin or Clark's sidekick has been good. But trust me, the writers will continually break your heart if you think Chloe's position will change. She always will be the Charlie Brown of Smallville. I love Chloe, but I know before every episode, "Okay, when are they going to pull the football away from Chloe".


So true.
I guess that is why I love Chloe's character so much. She keeps getting the short end of the stick and she picks herself up and keeps going. I love the underdog and will always root for her.:D


Originally posted by lyric96
Really Chloe needs a guy a hot one please, she can't keep it up this way it would be a waste to see her character being used this way as engine search!

You know as much as I would love the BDA to wake up and see who has been the right girl for him all this time, another part of me thinks Chloe is just too good for him at this point and they should give her a guy who appreciates all she has done for him. But my Chlark heart always wins out!:p

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Ughhh! For the last time, Chloe did not "sell out". She never betrayed Clark. She went to Lionel in a moment of emotional weakness courtsey of Clark Kent. God knows Clark has had many of them. And when Chloe did not follow through with Lionel's schemes he fired her father, got her canned from the DP gig, blacklisted her father from ever getting a decent job and had to live in a single bedroom apt with her father because of all the money problems. Yet still she refused to cooperate with Lionel. In Whisper Lionel says so himself that you never really gave me anything and Chloe tells Clark(again in Whisper) himself when he asks that "I didn't give Lionel anything that he didn't already have". She never betrays him or sells him out! Clark has forgiven and forgotten this a LONG time ago Smallville Man shouldn't you have by now too.;)

I especially like this line that Chloe said to Clark in "Whisper"....I think it went like this....

Chloe: "You know I thought that you out of all people would understand making a stupid decision in of a moment of weakness.....but I guess I was wrong"

Her line just before this one also seems to cover all those that keep wanting to use this same, old, and tiresome "Chloe Betrayed him" defense. Just insert their name where Lionel's is.

Chloe: "I've been trying to get out of it ever since, but when people like Lionel Luthor have you....they don't want to let go".

Frankly, after everything that's happened with those two (Chloe & Clark), it's pretty pathetic that these same people keep wanting to bring this one up. They should try finding something new. Everyone stumbles....which is why they pick themselves up....Chloe has not only done this, but has grown from it....more than anyone else on the show. Now as far as Clark's little fiasco that Chloe referes to in the quote above........I don't think Clark learned anything from it. In fact, it looks like he didn't learn Jack.

Again, making a "Deal with the Devil" is not the same thing as going through with it. Chloe "Talked the Talk"....She did not "Walk the Walk". But some just want to gleefully ignore that very important and very true fact. The truth is.....they don't want the truth.

[jaime,oburg]

They have to keep bringing up the same thing because it is the only thing that they can fault Chloe with in order to justify the dislike of her character. Glass houses

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
They have to keep bringing up the same thing because it is the only thing that they can fault Chloe with in order to justify the dislike of her character. Glass houses

Exactly, and some also want to keep Lana on that pink perfect pedestal......because they want to keep feeling (in their own minds) unthreatened by who may actually be better for Clark. I'm not saying that they should stop wanting Lana to be that girl.........but we are as equally justified in believing that Chloe is that Girl.......yeah, our little Supergirl.

[ma200]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Ughhh! For the last time, Chloe did not "sell out". She never betrayed Clark. She went to Lionel in a moment of emotional weakness courtsey of Clark Kent. God knows Clark has had many of them. And when Chloe did not follow through with Lionel's schemes he fired her father, got her canned from the DP gig, blacklisted her father from ever getting a decent job and had to live in a single bedroom apt with her father because of all the money problems. Yet still she refused to cooperate with Lionel. In Whisper Lionel says so himself that you never really gave me anything and Chloe tells Clark(again in Whisper) himself when he asks that "I didn't give Lionel anything that he didn't already have". She never betrays him or sells him out! Clark has forgiven and forgotten this a LONG time ago Smallville Man shouldn't you have by now too.;)

Oh geez...

The fact that Chloe initially made a deal with Lionel because 1. she wanted a job from the DP, 2. she wanted to hurt Clark, is betrayal.

It's not so much she made a deal with him but her reasons for doing so. It's selfish.

I don't dig how Clark treats Chloe but I also don't like what she did either even though she learned from it.

[SmallvilleMan]

They have to keep bringing up the same thing because it is the only thing that they can fault Chloe with in order to justify the dislike of her character. Glass houses

It's the only thing I can fault chloe on? Really? You talk about away the way Clark acts toward chloe and has blinders on Lana. How about the way Chloe treated Pete. You know, the kid that was in love with her? Trust me, i can fault chloe on things. She's not as perfect as you would believe after reading this board.


Exactly, and some also want to keep Lana on that pink perfect pedestal......because they want to keep feeling (in their own minds) unthreatened by who may actually be better for Clark. I'm not saying that they should stop wanting Lana to be that girl.........but we are as equally justified in believing that Chloe is that Girl.......yeah, our little Supergirl.

:rotfl: :rotfl: I'm not threatened at all by a girl who clark doesn't love. Clark loves Lana, doesn't love Chloe. All I need to know.

[WildCard]

Originally posted by sstray72
Chloe has done well all season dealing with the Clana, but it looks like Clark continuously dragging her through all of his problems with the relationship is getting to her. She is definately annoyed with having to tell him the same advice repeatedly, but when Clark said that he "loves her so much" she showed some subtle pain there, IMO. Clark is such an ignorant person to be sticking his sex life and his love for Lana in the face of the girl who has always had feelings for him. :\

yea. the clark charicter is a a** hat to say the least....a whiney a** hat at that :) if i ever found a girl like chloe ....... well id get nerved up and fall down or something but id know what i had.

[No-El]

Originally posted by WildCard
yea. the clark charicter is a a** hat to say the least....a whiney a** hat at that :) if i ever found a girl like chloe ....... well id get nerved up and fall down or something but id know what i had.


What guy on this planet, except he was gay, would not fall for Chloe?

I believe any normal American or Canadian would and to quote:
best-selling writer Mark Waid said:

"Can you find me one single carbon-based lifeform on this planet who wouldn't say 'Chloe?"

[Iowanmom]

Originally posted by sstray72
Chloe has done well all season dealing with the Clana, but it looks like Clark continuously dragging her through all of his problems with the relationship is getting to her. She is definately annoyed with having to tell him the same advice repeatedly, but when Clark said that he "loves her so much" she showed some subtle pain there, IMO. Clark is such an ignorant person to be sticking his sex life and his love for Lana in the face of the girl who has always had feelings for him. :\

You know Sstray, I was talking to ferd on IM when I watched this episode. I gotta say when I heard and saw the BDA actually say those words, I said to ferd, "that b@startd" When I saw the look in Chloe's eyes, I said, "what an effing a@@hole"

Clark is so oblivious to the pain he causes his so called 'Best Friend'. I mean yes sure, Chloe has done great to move on and try to accept their relationship and appreciate Clark and Lana as individual friends, even as a couple, but to be constantly sought after to witness and deal with the messy unrequited love of Clana over and over again, it can only cause that dull blade in her heart to sharpen and repeatedly twist with cruelty.

This has gone beyond toleration for me, Sstray. Chloe is simply out of Clark's league. :(

[No-El]

Originally posted by Iowanmom
You know Sstray, I was talking to ferd on IM when I watched this episode. I gotta say when I heard and saw the BDA actually say those words, I said to ferd, "that b@startd" When I saw the look in Chloe's eyes, I said, "what an effing a@@hole"

Clark is so oblivious to the pain he causes his so called 'Best Friend'. I mean yes sure, Chloe has done great to move on and try to accept their relationship and appreciate Clark and Lana as individual friends, even as a couple, but to be constantly sought after to witness and deal with the messy unrequited love of Clana over and over again, it can only cause that dull blade in her heart to sharpen and repeatedly twist with cruelty.

This has gone beyond toleration for me, Sstray. Chloe is simply out of Clark's league. :(



I couldn't help but notice your last statement, which caught my attention!

If Clark keeps this up, then Chloe should not only be out of Clark's league but out of his life.....Period!

But if the writers have backstepped saying to themselves let's make Clark more sensitive to Chloe in Vengence, which by the spoilers they may have as we see Clark praising Chloe's abilities, then I say it was backstep in a cop-out!

The writers know what they are doing, by dragging us along for the painful ride!:mad:

[sstray72]

Originally posted by Iowanmom
You know Sstray, I was talking to ferd on IM when I watched this episode. I gotta say when I heard and saw the BDA actually say those words, I said to ferd, "that b@startd" When I saw the look in Chloe's eyes, I said, "what an effing a@@hole"

Clark is so oblivious to the pain he causes his so called 'Best Friend'. I mean yes sure, Chloe has done great to move on and try to accept their relationship and appreciate Clark and Lana as individual friends, even as a couple, but to be constantly sought after to witness and deal with the messy unrequited love of Clana over and over again, it can only cause that dull blade in her heart to sharpen and repeatedly twist with cruelty.

This has gone beyond toleration for me, Sstray. Chloe is simply out of Clark's league. :(

You're damn right. Look, the point of this whole argument is not about the fact that Clark shouldn't feel entitled to talk to Chloe about his problems with Lana, its that he should be considerate of other people's feelings besides his own for once. Lately, Clark hasn't spoken to Chloe about anything BUT Lana. It is common sense that the same subject (doesn't matter the subject) will wear on people, especially when that person dishes out the same good advice that you refuse to listen to until you're forced to realize that that advice is sound.

Now even if a person "moves on" there are always some kind of residual feelings, and Clark should be aware of that. Chloe had made it clear in the past that she cared for Clark, and even though she has appeared to have "gotten over him," Clark should know to tread lightly on this subject, JUST IN CASE, so as to avoid the potential pain for his friend instead of always worrying about his own self-afflicted pain. But Clark only thinks of himself. He doesn't think of Chloe and he DOESN'T think of Lana either, he is selfish.

Oh yeah Iowanmom, dollar signs make MUCH BETTER S's... :)

[ferd]

:lol: I personally would rather have $ than $hit anyday. ;)

Aww.... I want to give all the Chlarkers a big 'ol hug. :\

Sstray, I wish you could give Clark (aka Insensitive BDA) some lessons on how to treat the ladies. He is seriously pressing the friend bar to the limit, and it saddens me that TPTB don't write Chloe a little more backbone to tell his alien butt where to go and how to get there. :\ But, personally I have surrendered the dream of a Chlark union on the show, however, is it too much to ask for a little compassion towards someone who always has his back? A real friend by every definition. He owes her at least that, but apparently Pinky has him intoxicated with her strawberry flavored whatever you want to call it that the man can't think straight. :rolleyes:

Maybe, if we're lucky some hunky man will come and sweep Chloe off her feet and she'll say "Clark, who?"

Ooohhhh...... did the word "Chlex" just enter my head? :D :eek: :p ;)

[sstray72]

Originally posted by ferd

Maybe some hunky man will come and sweep her off her feet and she's go "Clark, who?" Ooohhhh...... did the word "Chlex" just enter my head? :D :eek: :p ;)

ahem... someone said this earlier...

"I kinda wish that Chloe would turn evil again and use her knowledge of Clark against him and KILL HIM!! Mwahahaaaa. Then we could have Chlex and watch them shine in the darkness of glorious evil where they will RULE THE WORLD!!"

Sounds good to me!!

:D

[ferd]

Gee, I wonder who that wise King was that said something so brilliant?! :confused:

Great minds think alike my friend. ;)

Mmmmm...Chlex :p

**makes noises like Homer drooling over doughnuts**

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by sstray72
ahem... someone said this earlier...

"I kinda wish that Chloe would turn evil again and use her knowledge of Clark against him and KILL HIM!! Mwahahaaaa. Then we could have Chlex and watch them shine in the darkness of glorious evil where they will RULE THE WORLD!!"

Sounds good to me!!

:D

Woohoo! Let the Chlex sex and Clark torture commence!

[sstray72]

Yes!! Chlex is TEH sexy!! :D

They should tie him up and force him to watch them do it!! :p

AND THEN THEY'LL KILL HIM!!

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by sstray72
Yes!! Chlex is TEH sexy!! :D

They should tie him up and force him to watch them do it!! :p

AND THEN THEY'LL KILL HIM!!

They wouldn't even have to kill him. Chlex sex would be so wild that it would blow Clark's poor, vanilla mind right then and there and he'd drop dead of a heart attack. :D

[ferd]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


I'd pay to see that show. :lol:

[margroks]

That would be because while she's a great friend to Clark and has helped him in every way she can, his constant coming to her to whine about his various issues with Lana are just the most insensitive thing I've ever seen and she has not gotten over him completely. That expression was not at all her feeling bad for Clark, as her very next words also clearly made obvious.

He is an idiot and a jerk to go to her with this because even if she had gotten over her feelings, only a real jerk would say those things to a girl he knows had such feelings at one time and whom he did, after all, once imply that things might yet change(his feelings) in Devoted after sweetly kissing Chloe. Frankly, Clark has given her mixed messages on this all along, as in Devoted, and he should be solving his own problems with his love life if he's such a man now instead of repeatedly reminding Chloe of his inexplicable feelings for the Pink Princess of Smallville and making her relive that crushing hurt. The future Superman would never be so insensitive no matter how young and this is just one of the many ways in which the producers have trashed the legend.

[No-El]

Originally posted by margroks
That would be because while she's a great friend to Clark and has helped him in every way she can, his constant coming to her to whine about his various issues with Lana are just the most insensitive thing I've ever seen and she has not gotten over him completely. That expression was not at all her feeling bad for Clark, as her very next words also clearly made obvious.

He is an idiot and a jerk to go to her with this because even if she had gotten over her feelings, only a real jerk would say those things to a girl he knows had such feelings at one time and whom he did, after all, once imply that things might yet change(his feelings) in Devoted after sweetly kissing Chloe. Frankly, Clark has given her mixed messages on this all along, as in Devoted, and he should be solving his own problems with his love life if he's such a man now instead of repeatedly reminding Chloe of his inexplicable feelings for the Pink Princess of Smallville and making her relive that crushing hurt. The future Superman would never be so insensitive no matter how young and this is just one of the many ways in which the producers have trashed the legend.


ALL True!

Now when CLANA ends hopefully this season, there won't be any love life for Clark to whine and cry about to Chloe!

That is certain!

And Chloe will be spared the agony of listening to a love sick Clark talk about Lana!;)

[SmallvilleMan]

Obviously Clark needs a new best friend then! That's all, Chloe's feelings are going to hurt. *Grabs a tissue*:D

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Obviously Clark needs a new best friend then! That's all, Chloe's feelings are going to hurt. *Grabs a tissue*:D

Clark couldn't get a better friend then Chloe and Lana too for that matter. Chloe refused to spy on Lana for Clark. I'd say that she is a pretty damn good friend to the both of them. How much whining from the both of them about their dysfunctional relationship can the poor girl put up with. Clana angst will be over soon and save your tissues for Lana's funeral.:p

[MBCorp]

Maybe this is the real reason why Pete moved to Wichita. He got tired of hearing Clark whine about Lana. :p

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by MBCorp
They wouldn't even have to kill him. Chlex sex would be so wild that it would blow Clark's poor, vanilla mind right then and there and he'd drop dead of a heart attack. :D


:rotfl: :rotfl:


Originally posted by MBCorp
Maybe this is the real reason why Pete moved to Wichita. He got tired of hearing Clark whine about Lana. :p

:rotfl: Pete to Clark: Not today Clark. Somebody Saaavve me!:lol:

[SmallvilleMan]

Clark couldn't get a better friend then Chloe and Lana too for that matter. Chloe refused to spy on Lana for Clark. I'd say that she is a pretty damn good friend to the both of them. How much whining from the both of them about their dysfunctional relationship can the poor girl put up with. Clana angst will be over soon and save your tissues for Lana's funeral

Then maybe should get her own boyfriend, so she can tie some of her free time.


Maybe this is the real reason why Pete moved to Wichita. He got tired of hearing Clark whine about Lana

Or maybe he got tried of hearing Chloe whine about clark. "Oh pete, he doesn't love me." While Pete thinks, "Hey Ms. Reporter, if you were so smart, you'd realize that i'm in love with you."

[mandylilc14]

maybe pete will come to lana's funeral...i feel for chloe though.. wonder how she will feel when it's lois

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Then maybe should get her own boyfriend, so she can tie some of her free time.

Clark and Chloe can spend all the time they want together. Their best friends. Clark runs to her all the time and she is always there for him. He knows he can rely on her.



Or maybe he got tried of hearing Chloe whine about clark. "Oh pete, he doesn't love me." While Pete thinks, "Hey Ms. Reporter, if you were so smart, you'd realize that i'm in love with you."

Chloe never whined to Pete about Clark. Once in season 2 premiere she told Pete they decided to remain good friends, after Pete found her crying, that's it. What are you making up! Stop the Chloe bashing. You complain so much with the Lana bashing.

[SmallvilleMan]

Chloe never whined to Pete about Clark. Once in season 2 premiere she told Pete they decided to remain good friends, after Pete found her crying, that's it. What are you making up! Stop the Chloe bashing. You complain so much with the Lana bashing.

Mod Note - Edited for Character Bashing! Strictly against the rules!

[CK&CK]

[/B][/QUOTE]
:rotfl: :rotfl: I'm not threatened at all by a girl who clark doesn't love. Clark loves Lana, doesn't love Chloe. All I need to know. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yawwwwwwn........must I explain.......I'm talking about who is better for Clark......not who he loves or doesn't love.


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Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Mod Note - Edited for Character Bashing! Strictly against the rules!

Why am I not Surprised.

[ma200]

Originally posted by CK&CK
[QUOTE]
Yawwwwwwn........must I explain.......I'm talking about who is better for Clark......not who he loves or doesn't love.


Isn't that up to Clark to decide who is better for him? Yeah, he's a fictional character but like all characters, we should treat them as if they're real.

Personally, I think Clark is the kind of guy who wants someone that's hard to get. I mean, look at Lana. Took him 10 years to get near her and another 4 years to get her. Lois will be a lot harder because in her own words (comics): "Denial builds character and I'm gonna be denying you for a looooong time." Lana's hard to get because of circumstances and Lois is the same way because she's extremely guarded. Kyla and Alicia...yeah, he dated them but that has more to do with the need to be with somebody who is different like he is and these girls know what that feels like. And even when he dated them, he still had a thing for Lana. Chloe won't be the one simply...because she's too available.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ma200
Isn't that up to Clark to decide who is better for him? Yeah, he's a fictional character but like all characters, we should treat them as if they're real.

Personally, I think Clark is the kind of guy who wants someone that's hard to get. I mean, look at Lana. Took him 10 years to get near her and another 4 years to get her. Lois will be a lot harder because in her own words (comics): "Denial builds character and I'm gonna be denying you for a looooong time." Lana's hard to get because of circumstances and Lois is the same way because she's extremely guarded. Kyla and Alicia...yeah, he dated them but that has more to do with the need to be with somebody who is different like he is and these girls know what that feels like. And even when he dated them, he still had a thing for Lana. Chloe won't be the one simply...because she's too available.

If we could all pick who would be best for us and be correct 100% of the time, what a wonderful life it would be. And yeah, they are fictional characters, but treating them as if they are real, my money would be on Chloe.....hands down.

[ma200]

Originally posted by CK&CK
If we could all pick who would be best for us and be correct 100% of the time, what a wonderful life it would be.

So? Even iif some relationships don't work out at least it would be his choice going into it. Great example is Clark and Lana.

In the long run, I don't care. Clark is not worth having. :lol:

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by ma200
So? Even iif some relationships don't work out at least it would be his choice going into it. Great example is Clark and Lana.

In the long run, I don't care. Clark is not worth having. :lol:

Clark sure is what I call a high maintence boyfriend! lol:lol:

[SmallvilleMan]

Why am I not Surprised

Pretty sure it's against the rules to comment on what mods do, but i could be wrong.


Yawwwwwwn........must I explain.......I'm talking about who is better for Clark......not who he loves or doesn't love.

And must I explain that the person he loves is the better one for him, because that's who makes him the happiest? Unless that's not the most important thing.

[jaime,oburg]

The one your in love with isn't always the better/right person for you. This is how teenagers think. If that were true then Mary Kate Louturno(however you spell her name) wouldn't have gone to prison. Clark doesn't seem very happy right now at all. I respect your opinion but just disagree, now can we please get back to the thread Pain in Chloe's eyes before the mods have to intervene again and close it down.

[No-El]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
The one your in love with isn't always the better/right person for you. This is how teenagers think. If that were true then Mary Kate Louturno(however you spell her name) wouldn't have gone to prison. Clark doesn't seem very happy right now at all. I respect your opinion but just disagree, now can we please get back to the thread Pain in Chloe's eyes before the mods have to intervene again and close it down.

Here is my take on Chloe, jaime!

The pain I believe, Chloe felt as reflected in her eyes, was not of jealous hurt!

But, of wanting disappointment (meaning: "Great Need").....DEEP DOWN INSIDE Her Soul, WANTING Clark to wake up and realize her as more AND his potential for greatness!

Chloe just may be, emotionally attached to Clark and she may OR may not fully realize her own love to/for him! :(

This is my take on Chloe's reactions to Clark's Declarations for Lana!:(

[jaime,oburg]

Yes, No-EL I think too that Chloe's pain has nothing to do with jealousy. She has been very supportive of Clark in his relationship with Lana. She is the one who has been telling him to come clean with the truth. She really loves him and wants what's best for him even though Lana may not be it. She supports Clark in all his decisons even when she disagrees with them. He finally takes her advice it would appear in episode 100!

[SmallvilleMan]

The one your in love with isn't always the better/right person for you. This is how teenagers think. If that were true then Mary Kate Louturno(however you spell her name) wouldn't have gone to prison. Clark doesn't seem very happy right now at all. I respect your opinion but just disagree, now can we please get back to the thread Pain in Chloe's eyes before the mods have to intervene again and close it down.

I know he isn't happy at all right now, because he has to keep the secret from her. I think we'll see the happiest Clark ever when he tells lana and she accepts him(not a spolier, just my opinion all along). And we can stop, just wanted to add that.


Yes, No-EL I think too that Chloe's pain has nothing to do with jealousy. She has been very supportive of Clark in his relationship with Lana. She is the one who has been telling him to come clean with the truth. She really loves him and wants what's best for him even though Lana may not be it. She supports Clark in all his decisons even when she disagrees with them. He finally takes her advice it would appear in episode 100!

She has been a very supportive friend. I've always liked Chloe and she has made me like her more this season. She's been the best friend Clark has ever had. She wants Clark to be happy and she knows Lana makes him happy.

[No-El]

Originally posted by jaime,oburg
Yes, No-EL I think too that Chloe's pain has nothing to do with jealousy. She has been very supportive of Clark in his relationship with Lana. She is the one who has been telling him to come clean with the truth. She really loves him and wants what's best for him even though Lana may not be it. She supports Clark in all his decisons even when she disagrees with them. He finally takes her advice it would appear in episode 100!


Yes!

And what happens after that ANTICIPATED Episode 100 is the Real Kicker, as to what each character's FEELINGS and ACTIONS actually reveal in the EMOTIONAL DYNAMIC.:(

[smoky]

Atleast they're moving forward, FINALLY!! About Chloe's reaction, I was hoping she was just sad about Clark's frustration about having to lie to Lana. I really hope she is over Clark! I'm way past being tired of that old storyline! Edited because I realized part of what I said should be in the spoiler section.

[RedPhoenix23]

Pa Kent did sell off most of the farm already when he sold the "back 40" to try and pay back Lionel Luthor.

[smoky]

I can see not keeping land thats not being used. Especially when the bills are piling up!

[No-El]

Originally posted by smoky
I wonder if tptb did that to make it easier for Martha to keep the place after Jonathon died?



The Kent Farm is the "Main Stay" or ICON of Superman's mom!

He goes to visit her on the farm in between Daily Planet duties and saving the world!

Like stopping off for Sunday Dinner!:)

[RedPhoenix23]

I took Jonathon's selling of the land as a big ole' warning sign that he's the one that bites it!

Just as long as its not Lana!! Can't have Lexana if she's dead! Well..um..I guess you could...if Lex was into that...but I don't think the WB would go that route...:eek::eek::eek:

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by ma200
So? Even iif some relationships don't work out at least it would be his choice going into it. Great example is Clark and Lana.

In the long run, I don't care. Clark is not worth having. :lol:

Absolutely true.......and I never argued aginst it being his choice.


Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Pretty sure it's against the rules to comment on what mods do, but i could be wrong.

It probably would....If I were talking about the Mod.....which I clearly was not.

I'm impressed Smallvilleman.....misdirection?.....your post is a move worthy of a Luthor.....as Lex would say. Lionel, on the other hand, might actually say that it was a tad bit obvious, and that I'm giving you way too much credit.



Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
And must I explain that the person he loves is the better one for him, because that's who makes him the happiest? Unless that's not the most important thing. [/B]

No, you don't have to....because that's not what I'm talking about. Let's simplify it (for your sake)...We all know that he loves Lois in the future......does that mean that Lois is better for him than Lana? And don't say that in the future she's better for him. That's an easy out of this question. Put them side by side Present Lana and Future Lois......who is better for Clark in terms of his entire life? He loves them both? Maybe now you'll understand what I'm talking about. With Chloe and Clark..... he and she never did let it get that far......so while still friends....there was none of that emotional deepining over time that accompanys boy friend/girlfriend type of love. While in Clark and Lana's case....this has occured....but again, that doesn't automatically mean that she's the best one for him. Unfortunately, the power to know that resides with the Man upstairs.....or perhaps the individuals involved when reflecting about their past while in the midst of their twilight........except for Clark of course.....I don't think he is capapble of death. So I guess he'll never truly know.

Just because you love someone doesn't automatically make that individual the best person for you in your life......especially with Love being unpredictable and changing (deepining or fading over time)....and sometimes coming out of nowhere (which is probably what's going to happen to that moron Clark with regards to Lois). If Love were that simple.....Lana could fall in Love with Hannibal the Cannibal ( even over Clark) and it wouldn't matter....but we all know the BDA is better for her in that twisted scenario. Twisted scenario.....yes, but hopefully extreme (although completely unbelievable...Lana's smarter than that) enough to get my point accross.

[SmallvilleMan]

I'm impressed Smallvilleman.....misdirection?.....your post is a move worthy of a Luthor.....as Lex would say. Lionel, on the other hand, might actually say that it was a tad bit obvious, and that I'm giving you way too much credit.

Obvious, was it really? I'll try harder for you then next time.


No, you don't have to....because that's not what I'm talking about. Let's simplify it (for your sake)...We all know that he loves Lois in the future......does that mean that Lois is better for him than Lana? And don't say that in the future she's better for him. That's an easy out of this question. Put them side by side Present Lana and Future Lois......who is better for Clark in terms of his entire life? He loves them both? Maybe now you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Wow, that was a nice comparison. I have to say you impressed me. I mean really and I think that comparison would actually apply to Chloe and Lana. Except there's just this little thing about Clark feelings about Chloe. He doesn't love her. So that comparison doesn't apply to Chloe and Lana. Sorry.......:\


Just because you love someone doesn't automatically make that individual the best person for you in your life......especially with Love being unpredictable and changing (deepining or fading over time)....and sometimes coming out of nowhere (which is probably what's going to happen to that moron Clark with regards to Lois). If Love were that simple.....Lana could fall in Love with Hannibal the Cannibal ( even over Clark) and it wouldn't matter....but we all know the BDA is better for her in that twisted scenario. Twisted scenario.....yes, but hopefully extreme (although completely unbelievable...Lana's smarter than that) enough to get my point accross.

And who is that decides love doesn't make that person the best in to be in love with? I never said it automatically made that person the best for you either. In this case it does, why? Because he's with her he's happy, that's what it is all about. You can say it anyway you want, but that's the case imo.

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Obvious, was it really? I'll try harder for you then next time.



Wow, that was a nice comparison. I have to say you impressed me. I mean really and I think that comparison would actually apply to Chloe and Lana. Except there's just this little thing about Clark feelings about Chloe. He doesn't love her. So that comparison doesn't apply to Chloe and Lana. Sorry.......:\



And who is that decides love doesn't make that person the best in to be in love with? I never said it automatically made that person the best for you either. In this case it does, why? Because he's with her he's happy, that's what it is all about. You can say it anyway you want, but that's the case imo.

Then obviously we disagree. You can make valid arguments but that doesn't make it written in stone for either of us. My arguments have just as much merit. It is not case. It's not that simple.

Let Clark and Chloe kiss and get together after that infamous Spring Formal.....let them spend a couple of years dating....and who knows where that could have gone......if this were real life that we were talking about that is. Then one could honestly say whether they were passing or failing the "Love" test as you have posted somewhere else......but you can't "completely" fail a test.....unless you've completely finished it either.

Now Clark and Lana?....They are pretty much getting near the end of their exam.......so why does Clarkie end up with Lois in the future?.......Hummm....maybe they should have reviewed their study notes a little harder. And before you start getting all Lana defensive.....I'd be willing to bet she's smart enough to pass.....Ahhh....but Clark?....once a BDA......always a BDA as Bruce Wayne would say.

[SmallvilleMan]

Let Clark and Chloe kiss and get together after that infamous Spring Formal.....let them spend a couple of years dating....and who knows where that could have gone......if this were real life that we were talking about that is. Then one could honestly say whether they were passing or failing the "Love" test as you have posted somewhere else......but you can't "completely" fail a test.....unless you've completely finished it either.

Geez, do you want to go on a Cruise together too? I've Chloe and Clark kiss. His eyes on going up and down, wondering what the heck is going on. What I did see was this:

1. Clark not care one bit that Chloe and him would just stay being friends and nothing more.

2. Clark be with other girls, even when Lana was available.

3. Even with Lana out of the picture, his feelings for her weren't there.


Now Clark and Lana?....They are pretty much getting near the end of their exam.......so why does Clarkie end up with Lois in the future?.......Hummm....maybe they should have reviewed their study notes a little harder. And before you start getting all Lana defensive.....I'd be willing to be she's smart enough to pass.....Ahhh....but Clark....once a BDA......always a BDA as Bruce Wayne would say.

Will they pass? Obviously you know they won't, because you know the future. That's not sarcasm, because I know it too. Why do they fail? I can't really say yet, but it isn't because of love or their feelings for each other.

[No-El]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Then obviously we disagree. You can make valid arguments but that doesn't make it written in stone for either of us. My arguments have just as much merit. It is not case. It's not that simple.

Let Clark and Chloe kiss and get together after that infamous Spring Formal.....let them spend a couple of years dating....and who knows where that could have gone......if this were real life that we were talking about that is. Then one could honestly say whether they were passing or failing the "Love" test as you have posted somewhere else......but you can't "completely" fail a test.....unless you've completely finished it either.

Now Clark and Lana?....They are pretty much getting near the end of their exam.......so why does Clarkie end up with Lois in the future?.......Hummm....maybe they should have reviewed their study notes a little harder. And before you start getting all Lana defensive.....I'd be willing to bet she's smart enough to pass.....Ahhh....but Clark?....once a BDA......always a BDA as Bruce Wayne would say.


Your "Exam" analogy is interesting CK&CK, particularly when it comes to Chloe and Clark not ever finishing the exam to completely gauge their performance.

One wonders if the writers haven't finished their "Exam" OR have the actually "Failed" it when writing for Chloe and Clark progress?

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Why do they fail? I can't really say yet, but it isn't because of love or their feelings for each other.

So let me get this straight....."Love Doesn't Conquer All"?

*You may want to reconsider your slogan then........come to think of it....I can't say that I was ever really wild about the Avatar either.





* "Dreams Can Come True" huh......I like your NEW avatar motto..... it does have a certain warmth to it.......one would almost think that you were a Chlarker at heart now *





Originally posted by No-El
Your "Exam" analogy is interesting CK&CK, particularly when it comes to Chloe and Clark not ever finishing the exam to completely gauge their performance.

One wonders if the writers haven't finished their "Exam" OR have the actually "Failed" it when writing for Chloe and Clark progress?

Thanks No-el.

The writters may have kept those two from completely taking the test......actually, they never really let them start it....but I have no doubt they are keeping extra exam forms in their brainstrom cabinet. Just in case Chloe's popularity goes through the roof......and they hit writters block in a head on fatal collision.....which is very possible with the way these lead foot writers are driving us nuts through out this little town of Smallville. We will just have to wait and see.

P.S. I guess I should give them some credit to.....they have afterall....done a lot of good things this season as well.....just not when it comes to Super Jerk.

[No-El]

Originally posted by CK&CK
So let me get this straight....."Love Doesn't Conquer All"?




*You may want to reconsider your slogan then........come to think of it....I can't say that I was ever really wild about the Avatar either.



Thanks No-el.

The writters may have kept those two from completely taking the test......actually, they never really let them start it....but I have no doubt they are keeping extra exam forms in their brainstrom cabinet. Just in case Chloe's popularity goes through the roof......and they hit writters block in a head on fatal collision.....which is very possible with the way these lead foot writers are driving us nuts through out this little town of Smallville. We will just have to wait and see.

P.S. I guess I should give them some credit to.....they have afterall....done a lot of good things this season as well.....just not when it comes to Super Jerk.


Yes!

"their Brainstorm Cabinet"!!

And they are Al Goul's.....YES...GOUL's Operatives doing his bidding as he expressed in interview recently as example..."we have an alternate plan for Lois....."

I am prepared to jump ship before the USS Al Gough sinks, can not take much more travesty of Insensitivity and Plain Dumbness!

Very tempted!!!!:mad:

[Lifebound]

Indeed it is good to hear that there are alternate plans (like the one Gough mentioned he had for Lois). That means that they might be wiling to give us a better "Chloe" arc and ultimately, an ending!

[Old Juan]

Indeed it is good to hear that there are alternate plans (like the one Gough mentioned he had for Lois). That means that they might be wiling to give us a better "Chloe" arc and ultimately, an ending!

That alternate plan for Lois has nothing to do with Chlois and everything to do with a possible Clark/Lois romance on the show. Right now the movie division has the final word on whether or not SM will be allowed to explore this on any level.

[No-El]

Originally posted by Old Juan
That alternate plan for Lois has nothing to do with Chlois and everything to do with a possible Clark/Lois romance on the show. Right now the movie division has the final word on whether or not SM will be allowed to explore this on any level.


Which raises the question of Al Gough's FIRST plan. Which I suspect may include Chloe.

The movie division I doubt will control Smallville production!

[Lifebound]

Originally posted by No-El
Which raises the question of Al Gough's FIRST plan. Which I suspect may include Chloe.

The movie division I doubt will control Smallville production!

But I think the movie will indeed dictate the extent to which a Clois romance occurs on the show. So, really, I think Al Gough is just going to play out plot for the rest of the season without developing a romance for Chloe as he won't know until later what to do with her....quite unfortunatley for us.

[No-El]

Originally posted by Lifebound
But I think the movie will indeed dictate the extent to which a Clois romance occurs on the show. So, really, I think Al Gough is just going to play out plot for the rest of the season without developing a romance for Chloe as he won't know until later what to do with her....quite unfortunatley for us.


Quite troubling!:(

WB, DC and the Movie Division, must have a POLICY on not WRITING IN new characters and adjusting/updating their stories to include such!

Are they afraid of losing an audience and/or losing their swollen Bank Accounts of FEAR and LEGAL ISSUES not to include a NEW character in Future Superman Stories?????:confused:

[Raistlin]

I actually had the very same thought. And can you imagine what a bore it must be for Chloe to have to hear both Clark and Lana angst and moan and gripe about their love life to her? I got the impression that she was really caught in the middle between the two. And it really does make Clark look self centered and selfish that he keeps whining to Chloe about Lana when he knows she's had feelings for him.

I also thought it was slimey for Clark to ask her to spy on Lana. You just don't do things like that, Clark. :\

:lol: Sometimes it sucks to be Chloe.