I'm sorry but Lana is not that.... [Archive] - KSiteTV Television & Movie Forums

superhippie2000

01-13-2006, 06:25 AM

actually clark is 3 years older then the metor shower is old. plus she maybe thinking that the alien inside was an adult like these were. she never saw the ship. but still you would think that she would have an idea that it might be clark with clark doing things out of the ordinarary and lex keeps acting like he is an alien.

superspider02

01-13-2006, 07:19 AM

Yea i thought it was a little weirdwith them giving her a thing into astrology i thought clark was into that at one time back in the past.

DarkKnight32

01-13-2006, 07:23 AM

He was...until he puberty. lol Seriously though, she's at MET U now. Your going to change your minor a few times.

lastdaughterofkrypton

01-13-2006, 07:39 AM

She is way to smart she came to a conclusion that not scientis ever did in 13 years!!!! So eventually she would have found out about Clark she is perfect after all. Everything she does, she does it great and better than anyone I don't know how can Clark live without bedding Lana a second she must be a sex goddes as well...

Chloestheone

01-13-2006, 07:42 AM

Honey, she's been knocked out so many times on this show it's amazing she doesn't drool ! :lol:

margroks

01-13-2006, 07:48 AM

That Lana can suddenly access info of meteor trajectories and conclude a spaceship landed when no one has ever drwn that same conclusion that we know of in sixteen years is complete nonsense, as is showing her not totally freaking out about it, which is what she would do according to her behavior and her own words during the past four and a half years. It's just mnore of the same old making Lana whaterver they want to to garner ratings. She's not ever been shown to be that smart previously but, just as she mastered martial arts in a day, she's now a super genious in astronomy.

chaszer

01-13-2006, 08:01 AM

LOONEY

01-13-2006, 08:17 AM

Hmmm ....
Swan is super genious
Lana is a dumb ****
come on now
Why would she automaticlly think of a first ship and then to think that an alien would just hang out in smallville for 15yr's
She saw how they moved why would she not relate that to how Clark is always doing the similiar things...she is so smart and then that stupid love is not that blind sorry...

margroks

01-13-2006, 08:57 AM

I'm afraid I'll have to continue to disagree; if the trail is that obvious other scientists would have figured it out (and they may have but kept it secret, for all we know). But Lana? Not a genious like Swann. She may have some accademic smarts but except for Clark's remark that any school would be happy to have someone as smart as her (I paraphrase here), there is no actual on screen evidence of Lana being a great student. And they just threw that in to explain why she could get into Met U at the last minute after class started in Thirst and so have her without anyplace to live and havng to room with the vampires. Her sudden brilliance in this field or any other is completely unsubstantiated by show canon, as is her lack of freaking out when confronted with the possibility of an alien living among the people of Smallville.

And by the way, it's astronomy not astrolgy.:)

pocketfullokryptonite

01-13-2006, 01:25 PM

There's no way that Lana would be able to pinpoint the landing of a ship from still satellite imagery. It's not like there was video footage of it or anything...not very believable, imo...and where would she get satellite photos, anyways?

muffinpeddler

01-13-2006, 08:51 PM

Perhaps after all the weird **** she's endured, she's just not surprised by it anymore. Besides, she'd already figured out and had time to come to grips with it before she told Clark. i've always thought Lana was smart, just not a genius. And i think it's ridiculous just how much her character is bashed. I never notice much wrong with anything on the show until someone ******* about it here! It's not even Kryptonsite, it's BashLana.net. And before anyone tries to point out how "poorly" her character is written, I've heard it all, so spare me. SV has added a depth to the Character of Lana Lang that has never existed in the comics, and I'm grateful for it! (and yes, Thirst was really strange.):mad:

Gr8stNonKryptonianHero

01-13-2006, 08:56 PM

Mayb somehow Lana got some meteorite info from Lex who was super-obsessed once upon a time with the meteors

NeoSuperman

01-13-2006, 09:07 PM

Or maybe...just maybe, Smallville is just a tv show! Come on! Who cares about these little things. Even if you were right. Even if Lana was really really dumb and didn't know any of this, what then? It just wouldn't be interesting! Since the start of season 1, people were waiting for Lana to start figuring stuff out about Clark. Not everyone, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people were. And now that she is, it's quite interesting. But just cause of these little stupid problems that most people don't even care about, you're bashing the show and the Lana character? Okay, now THAT is dumb!

Uffr

01-13-2006, 09:20 PM

Well Lana did hear the two in the season premire ask for Kal el. Wth that in mind she probably would look for another ship but I agree that her actually finding it should have been near impossibe.

Billy Jor-El

01-13-2006, 09:21 PM

http://www.bashlana.net

:rotfl: :lol: :rotfl:

AnimeJoe

01-13-2006, 11:02 PM

Actually, its not all that amazing that Lana would be the first person to figure out there may have been a ship in the middle of the first metoer storm. Its doubtful anybody was looking for a ship. Noo one saw the first ship. But since Lana saw the 2nd ship, she was looking for evidence of a first ship. Its a lot easier to find something when you are looking for it then to look through a lot of data and happen to pick-out the relevant information.

By the way, didn't Swan figure out there was a ship?

VERY well said and I totally agree.. Swan figured out there was a ship in the first meteor shower with absolutely NO solid info to go on before that.

Lana figured out there was a ship in the first shower AFTER witnessing another ship land with the second meteor shower.. Let's not forget that she and Lex have probably been bouncing ideas off of each other.

Lifebound

01-14-2006, 06:07 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Lana to speculate that there was a ship that fell down during the first meteor shower. That is believable, especially because she feels so threatened and insecure because of her experiences with the extraterrestrial.

What I cannot fathom is that she found evidence for it. Dr. Swann never said he found a ship, he only found a message in the sky...he knew of the meteor shower and only speculated it was Clark in Smallville after the symbol was burnt into his barn. A symbol which matched the language he found in the message.

Lana has nowhere near the math or physics skills to actually compute anything significant related to trajectories of meteors. As for computer imaging, I doubt she has the computer expertise to hack into some government site, actually dig up the files of the first meteor shower, and then analyse the images to find that one "lands". Face the facts. She is nowhere near smart enough to find evidence for her

Coyote

01-14-2006, 08:28 AM

Yeah, I remember an episode where a FOTW had to tutor Lana in basic algebra because she just didn't get it. Now she can calculate and analyze the flight paths of meteors. It's possible that some data would be freely available to the public, and Lana could have obtained it from the government or some university or whatever, so she wouldn't have to hack into anything. But it seems unlikely this data would be in any form that someone with Lana's background could interpret. If it was, then it brings back the question of why nobody else figured things out. If it was easy enough for Lana, then certainly the US Air Force, NASA, and some of the scientific organizations that study such things would have noticed something too. Some of these people would even be purposely looking for it, just like Lana. Suppose it's just another implausible situation where you just have to say "oh well, it's Smallville," and let it go at that.

ImaVirus

01-14-2006, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by margroks
That Lana can suddenly access info of meteor trajectories and conclude a spaceship landed when no one has ever drwn that same conclusion that we know of in sixteen years is complete nonsense, as is showing her not totally freaking out about it, which is what she would do according to her behavior and her own words during the past four and a half years. It's just mnore of the same old making Lana whaterver they want to to garner ratings. She's not ever been shown to be that smart previously but, just as she mastered martial arts in a day, she's now a super genious in astronomy.

There was a book written that had a character in it, let's call him Mr. Green. I think that is what he cals himself. He talks about seeing satellite images of the first meteor shower and seeing a ship. If Im not mistaken, he is just a scientist that goes to smallville and pretends to be an FBI field agent to try and find out about this. He suspects Lex as being the alien, not Clark. These books all took place in and around Season 1, so someone has actually figured out that there was a ship in the meteor shower. Noone seemed to believe him though. Thats why he went undercover. To find out for himself.

Mr. E

01-14-2006, 08:48 AM

No one ever accused Lana of being smart...

Mr. E

01-14-2006, 08:48 AM

No one ever accused Lana of being smart...

Mr. E

01-14-2006, 08:48 AM

No one ever accused Lana of being smart...

Watching Smallville

01-14-2006, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by ImaVirus
There was a book written that had a character in it, let's call him Mr. Green. I think that is what he cals himself. He talks about seeing satellite images of the first meteor shower and seeing a ship. If Im not mistaken, he is just a scientist that goes to smallville and pretends to be an FBI field agent to try and find out about this. He suspects Lex as being the alien, not Clark. These books all took place in and around Season 1, so someone has actually figured out that there was a ship in the meteor shower. Noone seemed to believe him though. Thats why he went undercover. To find out for himself.
And there was that farmer in Season One who actually saw the ship and lost his crop dusting license because he reported it. I think the FAA looks into all UFO reports, even when they treat them as bogus, so someone else would have investigated. And there was Dr. Hamilton who actually saw the ship. Lana's certainly not the first person to suspect a ship in the first meteor shower. But that doesn't diminish the fact that she's researching it now. I don't think the show ever implied she's the only one to suspect a ship. What strikes me as odd is that Swann never found out about the ship.

muffinpeddler

01-14-2006, 09:41 AM

Swann didn't need to find the ship, he found the alien! Lol!

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
http://www.bashlana.net

:rotfl: :lol: :rotfl:

What the...? It actually exists?! i was just kidding! :rotfl:

LOONEY

01-14-2006, 10:55 AM

and she could not put Clark and Metropolis Clark being called "Kal" but she is a professor of knowledge now rite come on give me a break kill her already and move on

Small2

01-15-2006, 02:00 AM

Sorry they are not going to kill her, and I agree with AnimeJoe and others.

It's quite feasible for her to have uncovered what she has. Two meteor showers in the same place is beyond coincidence, and it's easy to have access to satellite photos, especially through her astronomy classes.

The only person on this show who has been written as not intelligent, is Clark. He has had one instance where he did a math problem for his mother, but other than that, no analytical skills at all. If it wasn't for the women around him telling him what to do, he would be lost. He is totally reactive to situations. If he doesn't find some intelligence somewhere, Lex is going to make him look like the chump he is.

LionelLuthor

01-15-2006, 03:47 AM

Lana may know that Clark is different, but she may just think that he would be a meteor freak- just like Chloe thought at first.

twelfthnight1

01-15-2006, 04:12 AM

Actually, its not all that amazing that Lana would be the first person to figure out there may have been a ship in the middle of the first metoer storm. Its doubtful anybody was looking for a ship.
This's how I saw it too. Lana's investigation into the meteor showers is unique to her, and it's not surprising that she would be able to connect dots that others just weren't looking for. I think when she saw that anomaly, it just clicked. My gosh, what if another spaceship landed all those years ago? What if that someone is still out there? And she tells Clark about it, not with any certainty, but with hopefulness. She wants to get to the truth, and she feels she might be close. I want her to talk to Lex about it, but I like it that she first spoke of it to Clark.

luthorcorp

01-15-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by LOONEY
smart. I mean come on now what is she a friggin' scientist now..
what could she know plus not only she knows but pin pointed exactly what happened....hmmmmmm clark is different clark is the same age as the shower is old but does not make that connection that made me mad....:mad:

agreed its not feasible

sirconical

01-15-2006, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by superhippie2000
actually clark is 3 years older then the metor shower is old. plus she maybe thinking that the alien inside was an adult like these were. she never saw the ship. but still you would think that she would have an idea that it might be clark with clark doing things out of the ordinarary and lex keeps acting like he is an alien. Clark doesn't know how old he is really though, does he.

Originally posted by margroks
I'm afraid I'll have to continue to disagree; if the trail is that obvious other scientists would have figured it out (and they may have but kept it secret, for all we know). But Lana? Not a genious like Swann. She may have some accademic smarts but except for Clark's remark that any school would be happy to have someone as smart as her (I paraphrase here), there is no actual on screen evidence of Lana being a great student. And they just threw that in to explain why she could get into Met U at the last minute after class started in Thirst and so have her without anyplace to live and havng to room with the vampires. Her sudden brilliance in this field or any other is completely unsubstantiated by show canon, as is her lack of freaking out when confronted with the possibility of an alien living among the people of Smallville.

And by the way, it's astronomy not astrolgy.:) Although I agree with what you're saying, getting annoyed that Lana can be both super-genius and an idiot at the same time is like getting annoyed that wearing a pair of specs and letting your hair flop down is a disguise that will fool everyone.

watcher4

01-15-2006, 10:55 AM

Do you think Lana could figure out Clark's secret BEFORE Clark tells her?

IMHO, I don't think that her character has been adequately explored to make the assumption that she is not smart enough.
Just my opinion.

Lifebound

01-15-2006, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by watcher4
Do you think Lana could figure out Clark's secret BEFORE Clark tells her?

IMHO, I don't think that her character has been adequately explored to make the assumption that she is not smart enough.
Just my opinion.

I don't think it is a matter of character exploration. College level freshman physics covers Keplers laws of planetary motion and basic theories on energy. It takes until at least sophomore/junior level physics to analyze the effects of friction that a meteor would encounter in entering the planet's atmosphere from outerspace. In terms of math, the kind of multivariable calculus required comes in Calculus III, a class you don't get to in freshman year unless you take AP calculus. And I doubt you will score well on the AP if you have problems with trigonometry like I think Lana does.

Astronomy books will not teach her how to analyse particle trajectories, and even if it did, there is an extremely slim probability that she could understand the mathematics.

AnimeJoe

01-15-2006, 11:54 AM

Let's not forget that Lana's been 'hanging out' with Lex and maybe he shared some theories with her that might have helped her connect some dots.. After all, Lex was told that a ship landed with the first meteor shower, so who knows what he's been telling her..

He's also been trying to convince Lana that Clark isn't "normal".

SnarkMasterJ

01-15-2006, 12:19 PM

All Lana's storylines are contrived and always has been. This one is no different, at least not for me.

shinedown

01-15-2006, 01:02 PM

its smallville where crazy unbelievable sh*t happens all the time. lets accept it and move on...i mean this is the same show were five people die per episode and a high school farm boy saves the day with his superpowers....thats part of the reason why we love the show!

Lifebound

01-15-2006, 01:27 PM

Actually, the show is unrealistic, yes. But a good fiction story gives the audience a solid premise on which they ground their "willing suspension of disbelief". For Smallville, that premise is tied into the Superman mythos and Clark Kent's abilities. The premise does not include Lana Lang - AN average human on the premise of the show - developing some unnatural talent for analysing trajectories, etc.

Lets just face the fact that Lana, at least as depicted on the show, is very inconsistent. That I think was the point the thread eventually was trying to get at and discuss.

muffinpeddler

01-15-2006, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Small2
Sorry they are not going to kill her, and I agree with AnimeJoe and others.

It's quite feasible for her to have uncovered what she has. Two meteor showers in the same place is beyond coincidence, and it's easy to have access to satellite photos, especially through her astronomy classes.

The only person on this show who has been written as not intelligent, is Clark. He has had one instance where he did a math problem for his mother, but other than that, no analytical skills at all. If it wasn't for the women around him telling him what to do, he would be lost. He is totally reactive to situations. If he doesn't find some intelligence somewhere, Lex is going to make him look like the chump he is.

What's funny about this, is that in the Smallville novel "Strange Visitors" Clark is mentioned as having "super-memory" and knowing his textbooks cover to cover, struggling not to appear too smart. (Although his "Super memory" didn't get him to Lana's to be her escort to the airport!) :rotfl: :lol:

Small2

01-15-2006, 02:03 PM

It is interesting that in other storylines, Clark is portrayed with above average intelligence. You would think that the son of an important scientist from a race of technology based people would have a little more in the upstairs department.

In SV, Lana (and just about eveyone else), has been shown to have much greater intellectual capabilities. The one time Chloe leaves Clark in charge of the Torch he can't even make the copier/fax work.

As regards this thread, Lana's personality has been portrayed consistently. What has been inconsistent are her interests, or potential career choices. But then what teenager doesn't change their interests every 6 to 12 months. Chloe's interest in journalism is the exception not the rule.

As to her intellegence, she has to have something above average or she wouldn't have gotten into Met U. If she was only average, she would be with Clark at Kansas A&M.

You would only need to believe she was well above average, if you assumed she wrote the trajectory program herself, instead of simply inputting a data set into a canned program. There is nothing in the depiction of her discoveries so far that are farfetched.

Again, the dufis in this storyline so far is Clark, not Lana.

tribob

01-15-2006, 05:34 PM

it was too close to the EXACT TRUTH for my liking, but i guess ill have to put up with it, its just going to get worse from now on, have u seen superman 1??
lmao

Small2

01-15-2006, 06:18 PM

"it was too close to the EXACT TRUTH for my liking".

I hear you on that. I chock that up to needed plot development, than reality.

Lana needs to show how close she is getting to the truth for Clark to finally understand he has to come clean. At this point he knows he either tells her the truth, or not only is she going to uncover his secret, but he will lose her to his own lies as well.

The use of satellite photos from the first meteror shower was a nice touch. It showed some good anaytical skills on Lana's (or the writers) part. :-)

Kal-El & Me

01-15-2006, 06:38 PM

You know what I think? By reading the first page it seems like this thread was made just to bash Lana once again. *rolls eyes*
Lana saw a spaceship in the second meteor shower. You don't think that that would intrigue her enough to go study them? And then look for signs of another one in the first one. Puuuuullleeeeaaasse.
I haven't read all the pages but I'm stating my opinion now anyway.

UpandAtom

02-22-2006, 12:32 PM

how is Lana able to figure out a ship landed and the other astronomers aren't?

sirconical

02-23-2006, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Kal-El & Me
You know what I think? By reading the first page it seems like this thread was made just to bash Lana once again. *rolls eyes*
Lana saw a spaceship in the second meteor shower. You don't think that that would intrigue her enough to go study them? And then look for signs of another one in the first one. Puuuuullleeeeaaasse.
I haven't read all the pages but I'm stating my opinion now anyway. Yeah well if you read the rest you'd realise there are some very valid points as to why little miss importance wouldn't be able to achieve some of the things she has done.