mom's intentions

[superkent511]

did his mom want him to be evil???? why would she kill lana

[BrodaMunschki]

good point. the different choices he makes, and the different lives he leads, all have tragedy in it..... a precursor to who he will become.

[jag5311]

I don't think necessarily his mom had the choice of what happens in his life. I don't think she could have saved her.

[MidgardDragon]

The way I see it, we have two options for what happened.

A) Lex Luthor dreamed/fantasized this all, based on what his suboncscious believed would happen if he chose the "right path". But, his subconscious also knew that everything he's ever loved has died, so Lex's mind became his own worst enemy and showed him his greatest fear about what would happen if he got the life he wanted.

B) The dream really *was* a glimse of the future, with his Mother as the "Ghost of Christmas Future". Lana died because that's what would happen if he got with her.

There's one thing I'm starting to believe that we all missed: If Lionel hadn't saved Lex so quickly, maybe the dream would have continued, and Lex would have saw how he would have lived on after Lana, and how he would have still been happy about the time he had with her. If this is the case, then Lionel is even more responsible for Lex's evil ways than he was before.

[Laguine]

About about Lex's mom, wasn't she be a crazy woman? Who killed her own son?? I don't really trust her...

[artiist1284]

Clearly you don't understand why she did it.

[Laguine]

Yeah I did understant this episode. But smallville is getting worst. This episode is so easy to understand that they may have write this episode after they wachted Star War...or red a Dicken's book. I do think that they can make something better with smallville. And the thing about Lex's mom I still think that she wasn't the right caracter to choose to show Lex what his life would have be. And by the way was she the same actor that use to play Lex's mom?

[artiist1284]

No I was talking about why she killed her baby.

[cbismyidol]

I think the point his mother was trying to make was that Lex could have 7 years of happiness with Lana (not to mention all the time after that with his children) or a lifetime of pain and loneliness by staying with Luthorcorp. Thoughts?

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

I think she showed him the good he could do even if at the end he will lose his wife he would have make all the people that distruted him (Clark, Jonathan, Chloe) love him but he is just thinks than even if he can live without Lana probably his children, and eventually his friends are going to be in the same situation and he will be powerless again to help anyone without the power and money.
I also think that he trylu beleives that he can have both the dream life and the power so this is why he chooses the evil side...but we all know he is wrong :(
BTW
Does a woman that kills her own child goes to heaven or hell? Was Lillian an angel , a demon or is simply a ghost trying to save her son of the hell that waits for him since she is there...? :confused:

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by artiist1284
No I was talking about why she killed her baby.

To clarify for Laguine:

Lex's Mom killed Julian because she didn't want to subject him to Lionel Luthor's brand of parenting. She knew that Julian would be miserable and that Lionel would pit Lex against Julian in order to make them strong.


Originally posted by Laguine
Yeah I did understant this episode. But smallville is getting worst. This episode is so easy to understand that they may have write this episode after they wachted Star War...or red a Dicken's book. I do think that they can make something better with smallville. And the thing about Lex's mom I still think that she wasn't the right caracter to choose to show Lex what his life would have be. And by the way was she the same actor that use to play Lex's mom?

1) The Ghosts of Christmas showing the character their life (either it's past/present/future, or simply what it "could be") is a classic theme that's been around since A Christmas Carol, maybe even before then. It's been used in multiple shows and is constantly reused because it's a tried and true method to tell the story. It's a good thing, but some people hate anything that's not brand-spanking-new apparently.

2) Lex loved his Mother, thus why she appeared to him. Lex's Mother killed Julian to keep him from having to experience Lionel. Lex discovered this in the Season 3 Episode Memoria.

3) If you're going to insult something, and say that it's "too easy to understand" learn basic grammar and spelling rules, or at least use a spell/grammar check. What does "too easy to understand" mean anyways? Some things are meant to be understood. Not everything is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, sorry if that dissappoints you.

[Basest Rue]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
The way I see it, we have two options for what happened.

A) Lex Luthor dreamed/fantasized this all, based on what his suboncscious believed would happen if he chose the "right path". But, his subconscious also knew that everything he's ever loved has died, so Lex's mind became his own worst enemy and showed him his greatest fear about what would happen if he got the life he wanted.

B) The dream really *was* a glimse of the future, with his Mother as the "Ghost of Christmas Future". Lana died because that's what would happen if he got with her.

As I was watching, I believed it was A, because of the way Lionel reacted in Lex's dream. I think Lionel is good now, with no turning back. I think if this really were Lex's future, Lionel would not have cut him off -- how can he? Lex owns everything now. And he would be free to be the good Lionel. I think this was Lex's vision of his future if he tried to live the way his mother would have wanted.

Another sad Lex episode. :(

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
I think she showed him the good he could do even if at the end he will lose his wife he would have make all the people that distruted him (Clark, Jonathan, Chloe) love him but he is just thinks than even if he can live without Lana probably his children, and eventually his friends are going to be in the same situation and he will be powerless again to help anyone without the power and money.
I also think that he trylu beleives that he can have both the dream life and the power so this is why he chooses the evil side...but we all know he is wrong :(
BTW
Does a woman that kills her own child goes to heaven or hell? Was Lillian an angel , a demon or is simply a ghost trying to save her son of the hell that waits for him since she is there...? :confused:

As for the heaven or hell thing, the thing is, there's no need to answer it. Heaven and Hell might not exist in the Smallville Universe (hell, it might not even exist in real life). And since not everyone believes in them, there's no need to answer that. It can be left open to personal interpretation.


Originally posted by Basest Rue
As I was watching, I believed it was A, because of the way Lionel reacted in Lex's dream. I think Lionel is good now, with no turning back. I think if this really were Lex's future, Lionel would not have cut him off -- how can he? Lex owns everything now. And he would be free to be the good Lionel. I think this was Lex's vision of his future if he tried to live the way his mother would have wanted.

Another sad Lex episode. :(

I don't know. Lionel's insistance on having Lex undergo a risky procedure rather than turning out "a cripple" has made me believe maybe the old Lionel is very much still there. Maybe Jor-El's influence comes and goes, or maybe he's just plain evil Lionel still, I dunno, but it certainly threw a wrench in the works of that theory.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
As for the heaven or hell thing, the thing is, there's no need to answer it. Heaven and Hell might not exist in the Smallville Universe (hell, it might not even exist in real life). And since not everyone believes in them, there's no need to answer that. It can be left open to personal interpretation.



I don't know. Lionel's insistance on having Lex undergo a risky procedure rather than turning out "a cripple" has made me believe maybe the old Lionel is very much still there. Maybe Jor-El's influence comes and goes, or maybe he's just plain evil Lionel still, I dunno, but it certainly threw a wrench in the works of that theory.

I disagree with the part that there is no need to explain it it should because then we will knew if the intentions of Lillian were good I think that she was trying to show him that love is a wondeerful thing but is not perfect and is acompanied for sad moments I think Lex wants a perfect life without sad moments ever and this is something imposible :( I would like it playing in a different way maybe Alexander being the one dying how would Lana react to that she would have encourage him look his father help or would she had try to convince Lex that if their son was dying it was something they should deal with or she would had blamed him for not having the moeny they will need to save their child?
I agree with the part of maybe the hell or heaven doens't exist in SV (or real life :D) but there is sure an Afterlife since Lillian reached Lex to show him the life he could have. :(

[Lord Rae]

Or Lionel did it because he knew if Lex was crippled he'd be bitter and angry and maybe even at Lionel for not taking control and taking the risk. Either way I think Lex would have gone evil or been mad. I don't think theres any changing it but I do still think that Lionel was trying to do the best good thing for Lex.

Maybe counting on Lex's FOtW abilities to keep him from any real harm from the surgery.

[Watching Smallville]

I don't think it was Lillian until the very end. I think Lex dreamed Lillian because she would have wanted him to live the life he envisioned. She's the symbol of the other choices he could make. So that's why he dreams about her. But I think the Lillian at the end was the real Lillian, appearing because Lex has made such a distinctly malevolent choice.

As for Lillian smothering Julian -- yes she wanted to protect him. But I think the best explanation is postpartum depression. It's common, and it causes tragedies like this.

[muffinpeddler]

I agree. Notice that Lex wasn't aware of Lillian during her final appearance.