Lex still turns evil after seeing his dream life?

[SVSpector]

This type of epi is supposed to turn everyone to their warm and fuzzy side....it will be interesting to see how Lex will still walk to the darkside after seeing his dreams come true....at least it will seem like it to him.

[Mr. E]

Yeah, it will be interesting.

[Hendo]

It helps to show how strong Lex's dark side is and how much stronger it will become is my thought. So just gotta picture Ebenezer Scrooge x10. All he sees and the warm happiness still isn't enough to vanquish the evils within Lex.

[TrevorH]

Originally posted by Hendo
It helps to show how strong Lex's dark side is and how much stronger it will become is my thought. So just gotta picture Ebenezer Scrooge x10. All he sees and the warm happiness still isn't enough to vanquish the evils within Lex.
yeah, Lex would just smirk when he awoke and say "Wheres the fun in that?" when remembering the dream.

[superhippie2000]

im wondering too how lex will still be bad but maybe something bad happens in his dream which makes him realize its not worth it. maybe with him good, things will be out of control with lionel or things will go chaotic so maybe he decides to go the path he is on now to stop lionel from doing whatever since he hates lionel. his hate for is father will destroy anything good to come out of his life.

[SVSpector]

The finest man I know.....

[MediaGuy0979]

Originally posted by superhippie2000
im wondering too how lex will still be bad but maybe something bad happens in his dream which makes him realize its not worth it. maybe with him good, things will be out of control with lionel or things will go chaotic so maybe he decides to go the path he is on now to stop lionel from doing whatever since he hates lionel. his hate for is father will destroy anything good to come out of his life.

Sounds about right. I mean, something bad has got to occur in his vision, right? Otherwise anyone would try to make their life turn out for the better.

[katt12]

Yep, Lana's gonna die.

[Kgatc13]

He turns bad to save Lana@ cause his father won't help

[MediaGuy0979]

His father??? Lana's life??

Poor Lex, all he ever wanted was his father's love and approval. :\

[Rafael122]

If Lana does indeed die here, I can't see how there would be a Lexana.

Lex turns evil either way.

[Kgatc13]

I hate the old Lionel

[Backward Galaxy]

Anyone else getting a Star Wars vibe off of this?

[MediaGuy0979]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Anyone else getting a Star Wars vibe off of this?

Um, no.

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by MediaGuy0979
Um, no.

I'll give you a hint...

Anakin turns evil because the good guys left him powerless to save his wife from dying while giving birth.

[shy175223]

He means Lex turning into the darkside of the force.

[SVSpector]

He'll never chose that path because she dies....but don't we all know Clark would have helped....he wouldn't have allowed Lana to die....

[gab417]

Lex should not be kissing lana

[Hendo]

I was thinking along the lines of Lionel lets Lana die so Lex goes back and kills Lionel via Anakin vs. the sand people

[shy175223]

yeah that could be a little 'starr wars ' vibe that way.

[SVSpector]

Money and Power....thats the bottom line....apparntly....Evil Lex is born

[chrismen]

O man... that sucks - him still being evil

[ferd]

"I will bring peace and security to my new empire!"

"I will be the most powerful Luthor ever!!"

:begin Imperial march:

Lord Luthor....RISE!

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by ferd
"I will bring peace and security to my new empire!"

"I will be the most powerful Luthor ever!!"

:begin Imperial march:

Lord Luthor....RISE!

Teehee.

[gab417]

Lex is a bad bad boy !! Gotta Love It

[ferd]

Originally posted by gab417
Lex should not be kissing lana

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[Kal-El & Me]

I agree with everyone who said Lex shouldn't be kissing Lana. BLLLLEEEEHHHH!!!
By the way, I like your avi, ferd.

[Aloof]

He's evil now, mwahahahaha! :p

The main reason why he decided not to choose the good life was because Lana died. And he obviously did not want to see that happen to her.

Lex's mom was so sad at the end! :(

[ferd]

I know.. Lillian's expression at the end broke my heart. :(

He has been hurt so much in his life, IMHO he chose the path where he feels his money and power can prevent those things. In believing he is doing right, he in essence will be very wrong.

It's like they say, you cannot buy happiness. And power, and the quest for it will only lead to your demise, because you will never have enough to fullfill your desire for it. **shakes head** Such a heartbreaking tragedy. :(

[Aloof]

It will only get worse and worse. :(

I loved the Lexana scenes, though. It was so touching at the end when Lana died, he was crying! :(

[SuperStupidPower]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
I'll give you a hint...

Anakin turns evil because the good guys left him powerless to save his wife from dying while giving birth.

Wow, actually his thirst for power brought all of the events crashing down upon himself. Had he simply stayed at the Jedi Tower all would have been fine. Padame died because she lost Anakin.

[pwgphoto]

Lex is stupid, he could have had his life with Lana and still kept her from dying. Just don't get her pregnant the second time. He could have gotten himself or her fixed and that solves that problem as far as I can see.

[SuperStupidPower]

Originally posted by ferd
I know.. Lillian's expression at the end broke my heart. :(

He has been hurt so much in his life, IMHO he chose the path where he feels his money and power can prevent those things. In believing he is doing right, he in essence will be very wrong.

It's like they say, you cannot buy happiness. And power, and the quest for it will only lead to your demise, because you will never have enough to fullfill your desire for it. **shakes head** Such a heartbreaking tragedy. :(

Yay! Someone with a brain! :)

Yes, he thinks he is choosing the better of the two paths. WE know his story, Lex does not.

And on the grander scale. A life with happiness = a life with pain. You only hurt so bad because you had something so good.

Poor Lex. Good job by the writers of using the omnicient viewers (us knowing Lex's future) to make such a tragedy out of Lex's life.

[Lexgirl33]

I am happy Lex chose the evil side. He wont end up with Lana becuase of that choice, but then Lana wont die. So he may not be happy with not being with her but at least she will be alive.

[tejdog1]

LOL, Anakin turns to the dark side to learn the power of stopping death. Go watch your ROTS DVD.

"Darth Plagius was so powerful, it was said he could even stop those he cared about...from...dying..." Darth Sidious

"Is it possible to learn this power?" Anakin

"Not from a Jedi." Sidious

That just sewed the seeds of Anakin's downfall. Not to get OT, LOL! Everything he did was to save Padme from his vision. Which, if you recall, he could not save his mother. He wasn't going to lose Padme as well. However, you're correct, in attempting to save Padme, he was the instrument of her destruction. So it will be with Lex.

"Twisted by the darkside, young Luthor has become. Your friend, no longer is he." Jonathan to Clark.

[ferd]

I gotta love a man who can quote Star Wars right along with me. :D

The parallels are too obvious to be denied. The fact that MR is a HUGE Star Wars fan didn't hurt either I bet.

I wonder if he'll be wearing a black cloak in the next episode... ;) :p

and hey, maybe he can borrow Mace Windu's purple lightsaber, no, better stick with red being a sith and all. ;)

[Vatusia]

Well the point of the episode was that Lex sees his dream life - then sees it being ripped away because he has relinquished control over it by becoming Mr. Nice Guy and rejecting the Luthor drive for money/power. He realizes he can't live without that control and decides to do what he must to gain it and keep it.

[tejdog1]

I dunno, didn't do Windu much good, did it? He did get pretty fried by Sidious' lightning...and got his hand chopped off by Anakin. Then he died. LOL. I ate ROTS up, it was the answer to so many questions. Such a masterpiece.

Anyway...uh...Lex, right? LOL.

[lynelle]

Originally posted by Tyrrath
Well the point of the episode was that Lex sees his dream life - then sees it being ripped away because he has relinquished control over it by becoming Mr. Nice Guy and rejecting the Luthor drive for money/power. He realizes he can't live without that control and decides to do what he must to gain it and keep it.
But what I don't get is that right now, he does have that power, and wealth. He's the one in control of LuthorCorp, the one running for a political office. He's in control of it alla nd has been since he took it from Lionel in season four. So I seriously don't get why he still continues to turn bad.

[Watching Smallville]

I think the point of the episode is to show clearly the choice Lex makes between being like "regular people" -- people he sees as happy but with no control over their lives -- and being a Luthor, and thus someone who has control over what happens. The tragic thing is that Lex continues to want the love and friendship, and seems to believe that he can get these things by chasing power. I think that's the point of the dream, and that's the tragedy of Lex.

[Vatusia]

Originally posted by tejdog1
I dunno, didn't do Windu much good, did it? He did get pretty fried by Sidious' lightning...and got his hand chopped off by Anakin. Then he died. LOL. I ate ROTS up, it was the answer to so many questions. Such a masterpiece.

Anyway...uh...Lex, right? LOL.

Yeah, I loved ROTS too, could be one reason I don't mind seeing a little of it in tonight's Smallville ep. ;)

And Lynelle, I think the reason Lex begins to sink is that he may have wealth and power now, but he has lost it in the past and could easily lose it in the future (as the vision showed). So he will set out to prevent his losing the power, no matter what happens or whom he hurts.

[BeepBeep]

Originally posted by Tyrrath
Yeah, I loved ROTS too, could be one reason I don't mind seeing a little of it in tonight's Smallville ep. ;)

And Lynelle, I think the reason Lex begins to sink is that he may have wealth and power now, but he has lost it in the past and could easily lose it in the future (as the vision showed). So he will set out to prevent his losing the power, no matter what happens or whom he hurts.

Which is similar to another Revenge of the Sith moment, where Palpatine tells Anakin "All who gain power are afraid to lose it."

[y2kgamer]

Twisted by the dark side, young Luthor has become... :lol:

[tejdog1]

LOL - is EVERYONE here a fan of Star Wars, or what?

I've been saying since mid S3 that Lex is paralleling Anakin, and Clark is paralleling Luke. Anakin - succumbs to the dark side. Luke - tempted, resists.

Anakin - Onyx
Luke - Exile, Crusade

[kryptonize]

If he becomes a good guy, Lana will die. So he will choose to be powerful and hopefully save Lana's life. So I think him being bad, in a way is being good, kinda strange, but possible

[soreal]

the only reason he chooses power is because as he said to his mother, "everytime I love someone.. they die first julian then you (his mom) and now Lana."

I agree with you kryptonize, in some twisted way he is doing this out of love

[lynelle]

Originally posted by Tyrrath
Yeah, I loved ROTS too, could be one reason I don't mind seeing a little of it in tonight's Smallville ep. ;)

And Lynelle, I think the reason Lex begins to sink is that he may have wealth and power now, but he has lost it in the past and could easily lose it in the future (as the vision showed). So he will set out to prevent his losing the power, no matter what happens or whom he hurts.
But from what I could tell, he didn't lose it in the past he gave it up and walked away. The reasoning that he continues on his path because he doesn't want to lose power is for me filmsy at best, and when there has to be this much explaining (and I have now read different reasonings for his fall), something has been lost in the translation for some viewers at least.

[david3565]

Originally posted by lynelle
But from what I could tell, he didn't lose it in the past he gave it up and walked away. The reasoning that he continues on his path because he doesn't want to lose power is for me filmsy at best, and when there has to be this much explaining (and I have now read different reasonings for his fall), something has been lost in the translation for some viewers at least.

The whole situation struck me as flimsy as well. The whole "she's loosing blood so she needs an expensive and exotic surgery that the hospital won't preform..." strikes me as very contrived, especially since hospitals are bound by law to preform life-saving measures in those situations (they bill you later) and conspicuous lack of medical inusrance. On top of that, he doesn't go to his closest adopted family, the Kents, for help. He goes straight to his father. And after all that is done, he decides to hold on to his power rather quickly; he didn't think about how he might become what he most hated (his father) or that he wouldn't have had Lana as a wife and his children if he had chosen that path to beign with, nor did he consider that he would loose all the respect and trust of those around him, et al. There are so many variables that plausibly could have entered Lex's mind that just seemed to roll off him like water off a duck's back. In the end, it was a wasted story, as he simply progressed farther down the path we know he is taking, with out any lasting character development.

On the plus side, the story itself was well told and it did leave hope that something might diverge, as the story was happening.

[knight150]

I dont think lana would have even died in the future. I just think that his mom was showing him the love and pain of being NORMAL. Maybe she woudl have never died but she had to show him that when u love someone that u feel this kind of pain. I mean he still turned his back on his chidren, who he seemed like he loved and he turned his back on the great man he became.
But everyone had to see that coming bacause Lex is evil, no geting around it. The whole superman thing wouldnt be the same with a Good Lex, he gotta be evil lol

[<<S>>]

Best part for me was watching his mother's ghost or image in the end looking at him with a scowl on her face. As if to say, OMG you truly are evil, and a lost cause.

[msleeadama]

Hi everyone one, my first time posting here....
I am an avid Lex fan, I just loved last nights episode. I think MR can act his butt off, loved the confused and confounded scenes between him and the baby carseat! LOL

I am so bummed though to see him turn to power and money for his happily ever after, I do understand his way of thinking though, he thinks it will secure his future and help him take care of the ones he loves when they need him, he felt powerless in his alternate life with Lana and he wants to "assure" himself that he will have what he/she needs in the future, to bad, he just doesn't get it........AACKK!!!

My Lexy is really going to the dark side....EEK!
I loved him in this role not to mention the naked chest on the stretcher in the hospital.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by lynelle
But from what I could tell, he didn't lose it in the past he gave it up and walked away. The reasoning that he continues on his path because he doesn't want to lose power is for me filmsy at best, and when there has to be this much explaining (and I have now read different reasonings for his fall), something has been lost in the translation for some viewers at least.

Actually, Lex has lost his money and power in the past. Lionel took it away and gave it to Lucas one time, forcing Lex to go stay with the Kents.

The thing about people who go after power is that they never feel they have enough. No matter how much power they have, they can always imagine a scenario where it won't be enough to protect them, keep them from losing it, etc. So, the solution seems to be to get even more power and more control.

We might see Lex as pretty powerful now and, to us, it doesn't seem like he would need more. But Lex looks around and sees that, even with the power he has now, bad things can happen. (He got shot in an alley, despite all his money and power.) Then, he has a vision where not having a lot of power leads to badness. Of course he's gonna want more power right after that.

[Vatusia]

Originally posted by lynelle
But from what I could tell, he didn't lose it in the past he gave it up and walked away. The reasoning that he continues on his path because he doesn't want to lose power is for me filmsy at best, and when there has to be this much explaining (and I have now read different reasonings for his fall), something has been lost in the translation for some viewers at least.

I know you've been around as long as I have here - surely you haven't forgotten season 3?! After Lionel has Lex committed in 'Shattered', Lex lost all control of his assets and had to go back to his father begging for a job, basically.

So tell me - you are the writer. Why does Lex continue on this path, in your perfect world? The writers read this message board, maybe your idea will find its way into the storyline. ;)


Btw, welcome to Msleeadama! :D

[SVSpector]

It seem s Lex is rebelling against both his father and his mother.

His father who has changed was actually trying to do good even though we saw him go about fixing Lex in the MB way.

His mother was showing Lex all he dreamed of and ten Lana dies. She said with an extremely pained look this was the life Lex would be most happy and fulfilled.

I think Lana would have been saved in some Smallville way...Clark or even possibly Supes in the flesh could have rushed her to Metropolis and we just didn't see it.

Money and Power can't buy happiness......Lex will never trust anyone.......

[JaysonG]

Originally posted by pwgphoto
Lex is stupid, he could have had his life with Lana and still kept her from dying. Just don't get her pregnant the second time. He could have gotten himself or her fixed and that solves that problem as far as I can see.

Even if he saved Lana that day what would stop her dying tragically the next day, with lex being powerless to stop it? The point was Lex can't live without absolute control of everything, thats why he hates Superman.

Brilliant episode.

[smallville_fetish]

Lex knows the happy middle class life isn't the life for him. He realized this when his father rejected him and called him pathetic. He sees his rich father looking down on him the same way Lex use to look down on other people where he was in position to pass out favors. But now that the tables are turned, he's the one begging the filfthy rich and enpowered and he realizes it's not worth it, esp when happiness isn't guaranteed but POWER and MONEY is. He didn't turn evil because of Lana's death, it was Lana's death that lead him back to where he started and it was with his mischievous LUTHOR ways. That way, he'll never be pathetic through anyone's eyes, esp his father's.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lex turned evil, because that's who he is. Even seeing what his life could be like, he rejects it, because he'd rather have the power and money.