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Chloe82

12-08-2005, 10:31 PM

I honestly don't know why Chloe and Clark were tree shopping together if they weren't a couple. That's a couple thing to do. I highly doubt Chloe, seven years in the future, is going to be with Clark period unless they're a couple. (They may still be friends, but they wouldn't be randomly hanging out in a tree lot.) Because I would give up on a guy after 12 years of being in love with no reciprocation. Most likely before that. lol

Sooooo, every indication (except that verbal thing) was that they were together. I saw Clark's comment to Lex as not being able to commit because of who he is. Not that Lex would know who he is.

The "your" tree comment doesn't really mean anything either. Often boyfriends/husbands aren't into things as much as their SO, so when they do something for them, they refer to it as "your" whatever. LOL Guys. :rolleyes:

I think the "reality" stuff said a lot more about Chlark tonight. Chloe's got him wrapped around her little finger, and he doesn't even know it. It's priceless.

Cassie

Poetic Chaos

12-08-2005, 10:45 PM

I thought they were together with the tree scene but the end made me reconsider. By the looks of Clark and Lex's talk, the thing Lex offered to Lana was commitment. It sounded like Clark was saying he might never settle down with someone.

Chloe82

12-08-2005, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Poetic Chaos
I thought they were together with the tree scene but the end made me reconsider. By the looks of Clark and Lex's talk, the thing Lex offered to Lana was commitment. It sounded like Clark was saying he might never settle down with someone.

I don't believe they were married, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been together. Commitment was likely the issue Clark was talking about. At least it sounded that way to me.

SuperVan

12-08-2005, 11:00 PM

I loved it. Clana fans got what they wanted, and Chlark fans got what they wanted (well kinda).

LexLuthorMetropolis

12-08-2005, 11:02 PM

Loved it as well. They looked like such a great couple!

Old Juan

12-08-2005, 11:55 PM

In Clark's conversation with Lex, he is refearing to the full commitment of marriage and kids. That was something that he wasn't willing to give to Lana and he isn't sure that he'll ever be ready for that kind of commitment. This is Clark so it would make sense. So I think that was a clear indicator that even though Clark and Chloe were together romantically they weren't married.

jaime,oburg

12-09-2005, 07:13 AM

Almost half way through S5 and still haven't gotten the once a season Chlark kiss. Must be saving up for something better. I still got a warm Chlarky feel out of this epi though. I'll have to rewind when Clark puts his arm around Chloe at the christmas tree lot a few more times, because if you blinked you missed it.

Have to agree that when Clark says he isn't ready and maybe he never will be, he's speaking in terms of a generalization about marriage, kids, lifelong commitement . I don't think that we should assume that he isn't with Chloe or anyone else. The focus was supposse to be on Lex in this episode.

PETER WEST

12-09-2005, 07:21 AM

Chlark was alright, it wasn't on the spotlight in Lex's good world. Clark & Chloe work together @ The Daily Planet , but their not married (And I like that.) their were still friends.

pixiedust

12-09-2005, 07:54 AM

I don't think it was indicating that Clark and Chloe were together at all because of the "your' tree comment and Clark's comment about not committing. As for him helping her pick up the tree, why wouldn't she ask her big strong guy friend to help her get her tree to her house if she's a single girl?

I didn't see anything different in real Clark and Chloe and dream Clark and Chloe. They were just acting in both cases like the best friends that they are.

If we are supposed to infer that Chloe and Clark are together in Lex's dream of the future, I think it's a pretty sad commentary on the state of their relationship.

Clark admits to Lex that he may never be ready (to committ). We know Chloe has loved Clark since the Pilot episode. This is approximately 12 years in the future.

As a Chlarker, do you want Chloe and Clark to be together so badly that you don't care how he treats her feelings as long as they are together? What self respecting woman would wait that long for a guy who says he may never be ready to make that sort of committment? And even if he didn't say that out loud to her, I think after that long I would expect some sort of declartion and committment if I were her. Doesn't Chloe deserve that?

If I were a Chlarker, I wouldn't want to say I saw any Chlarkiness in future Clark and Chloe because it isn't a very healthy relationship from my point of view. In that light, she is getting more of what I have seen Chloe fans claim for a long time--the shaft.

Clark & Chloe work together @ The Daily Planet , but their not married (And I like that.) their were still friends.

Actually they never actually said Chloe still worked at The Planet. They didn't even imply it really; though she possibly could have, they didn't address that. All they said about Chloe's career was she was about to become a published author.

SuperVan

12-09-2005, 08:09 AM

I think it means that Clark and Chloe will be together by default if Lana were not in the way. Clark has said before that he had feelings for Chloe, but he just can't get over Lana. With her out of the way, Chlark is bound to happen sooner or later.

k18

12-09-2005, 08:21 AM

I don't think there was any evidence that they have a romantic relationship. I am sure that there are many friends who shop for Christmas trees together and it's not just a couple thing. And Clark said he isn't ready for commit to anyone. But I do agree that the Chlark shippers got what they want while the Clana shippers got what they wanted too. And the Lexana shippers were given a treat as well. I think many people were satisfied with this episode, ship wise.

mbarlow

12-09-2005, 08:29 AM

I hate the whole Idea of Chlark

Billy Jor-El

12-09-2005, 08:42 AM

If they're that tight of friends, so much the better. Let's get the lust out of the way and make a REAL relationship based on "friends first." The Chlark looked awesome to me :)

When Lana said to Lex something to the effect of their going to "The Kents" I was immediately wondering which "Kents" she spoke of. Next thing we see is Clark and Chloe.....I'm screaming "yeah...The Kents!!!!! Clark & Chloe Kent!!!" Well, maybe not, but it was a great moment.

Chloe looked fabulous throughout, but especially hot when she was talking to Clark about the disappearance of Santa. That BDA should have been kissing her right at that moment. What does he do? Finds Lana instead....some aliens will never learn!

BTW...thanks to server overload again I could not post right after the ep. I had lots to say, I guess I'll have to get in late on all the threads over the next few days....but I thought this was a great ep!!!

hottietom

12-09-2005, 08:46 AM

Believe it or not, I liked the Lexana. Better than Clana anyways.

I saw Chlark! I defitinitly think they were together. They were more together than they are now, and it was Chlark! So, I'll take what I get. ;)

Also, I think Clark meant he wasn't ready to get married or anything. Not dating.

kaatiedid

12-09-2005, 09:10 AM

I don't understand why Clark saying that it was "your" Christmas tree to Chloe that it would indicate that they weren't together. Not all couples live together.

Having said that, it wasn't much of a future Chlark. The reason I don't think it happened was because since this was a TV show TPTB would have wanted to make it obvious that they were together in the future. Even if it was just a slight comment. Like Clark saying "I migt not be ready for commitment yet like you were Lex, but I am getting there with Chloe" and then moved on. But since they didn't, it made me think that it wasn't happening.

~katie~

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

12-09-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by pixiedust
I don't think it was indicating that Clark and Chloe were together at all because of the "your' tree comment and Clark's comment about not committing. As for him helping her pick up the tree, why wouldn't she ask her big strong guy friend to help her get her tree to her house if she's a single girl?

I didn't see anything different in real Clark and Chloe and dream Clark and Chloe. They were just acting in both cases like the best friends that they are.

If we are supposed to infer that Chloe and Clark are together in Lex's dream of the future, I think it's a pretty sad commentary on the state of their relationship.

Clark admits to Lex that he may never be ready (to committ). We know Chloe has loved Clark since the Pilot episode. This is approximately 12 years in the future.

As a Chlarker, do you want Chloe and Clark to be together so badly that you don't care how he treats her feelings as long as they are together? What self respecting woman would wait that long for a guy who says he may never be ready to make that sort of committment? And even if he didn't say that out loud to her, I think after that long I would expect some sort of declartion and committment if I were her. Doesn't Chloe deserve that?

If I were a Chlarker, I wouldn't want to say I saw any Chlarkiness in future Clark and Chloe because it isn't a very healthy relationship from my point of view. In that light, she is getting more of what I have seen Chloe fans claim for a long time--the shaft.

Actually they never actually said Chloe still worked at The Planet. They didn't even imply it really; though she possibly could have, they didn't address that. All they said about Chloe's career was she was about to become a published author.

Plus Clark told Lex on the porch that he hadn't found the right person yet, so if he's supposed to be involved with Chloe that sure was a diss on her

Crazy4Smallville

12-09-2005, 10:58 AM

Now, onto Clark, Chloe & Lana –

I loved how Clark was willing to give up his time with Lana to help Chloe. He didn’t ask what first – he sped to her aide and then asked. I LOVED how he played Santa. I thought that was very funny. Now, I can tell all the little kids I know that Santa is really a Kryptonian. That’s how he can do so much in so little of time. It’s really him that flies, not the reindeer. LOL! I liked the “It’s a Wonderful Life” theme this show had.

I didn’t fail to notice the comment Clark made to Lana when she put the (gingerbread guy?) on top of the tree. He is still lost into his obsession with her being ‘perfect’.

Chloe doesn’t spend Christmas with her dad, her uncle or her cousin, Lois? Is she really that alone? Yet, she was selfless, willing to spend her time doing something for someone else. Yes, she was also doing it to further her career, but why not? It’s the only thing she has. Lana has Clark, Lois has her dad and Chloe is all alone. But, maybe she’s not as alone as we all think. During the Christmas party at the Kent’s I noticed something. Maybe it was a mistake, or maybe not. But, Lana spent her time catering, while Chloe and Clark spent their time huddled in the corner together, regaling the evening. Yes, I know they had to talk about Claus – but that could have waited for another time or done in another setting. Maybe it’s just the Chlarker in me grasping at any straw – but I found it interesting. Also, why was Lana wearing a black sleeveless shirt on Christmas Eve – when it is clearly freezing outside? I found that odd. Black usually insinuates being evil, having the desire to be invisible or having a cold heart. They could have at least put her in a red or green – make her more cheerful – but black?

ms.c.

12-09-2005, 11:55 AM

Plus Clark told Lex on the porch that he hadn't found the right person yet,

That isn't what he said. Watch it again. Lex asked why Clana didn't work out and Clark answers back that Lex became the kind of man that Lana could love and he offered Lana something Clark wasn't ready to offer and might never be ready to. I wish I had the transcript. It was ambiguous what Clark was talking about. It could have been honesty. It could have been intimacy. But, I took it as marriage and commitment and I know a lot of other people took it that way as well.

In the comics, for a long time, Clark Kent told Lois that he couldn't get married b/c his role as Superman prevented him from being able to commit. The Donner movies originally were going to play on this theme more heavily with Jorel telling Clark that he couldn't commit to Lois b/c he belonged to the world and his destiny and devotion had to be to the world first.

umm

12-09-2005, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Plus Clark told Lex on the porch that he hadn't found the right person yet, so if he's supposed to be involved with Chloe that sure was a diss on her

If someone sais, that they haven´t found the right one yet, than that is an offence to the person they are currently involved with, cos it implies that that person is just a filler, someone to help the not ne alone. I don´t want that for Chloe! She deserves more than that, especially from Clark!
Before the episode took place and due to the spoilers I thought that there would be some serious Chlark going on, kissing under the mistletoe, him telling her how much he loves her and that she is future etc.... But this is a cop-out!
What the fans got, wasn´t Chlark, it was something in between at the most! Maybe Clark is getting there, but they certainly are not involved that way! They are just the best of friends, and maybe a tad more, in some kind of gray zone! And frankly if this the TPTB`s idea of a Chlark, then they don´t know how a couple in love looks like!
What they showed were two friends who feel realy comfortable around each other, enough so, that they can hug, cudle etc.
I mean never have they kissed, not even once!
Now, I am not a particular Chlarker, if I want Chlark to happen it is cos I want Chloe to finaly have a nice boyfriend, and Clark, with all his faults, would be the best boyfriend to have! Good-looking, smart, well most of the times, kind etc...
Anyway, so if I were a die-hard Chlarker like some of other fans are, I would have feelt cheeted and thus a tad bit angry, much like fans of Cordy/Angel were at Joss´constant attempts of giving them those little tidbits of Angel/Cordy ship only to yank it away from them!

ms.c.

12-09-2005, 12:12 PM

That isn't what he said. Watch the episode again.

SteveS

12-09-2005, 12:14 PM

"
Plus Clark told Lex on the porch that he hadn't found the right person yet"
Nope, this was not said...

ms.c. has it right, ages passed between Lois and Clark in the comics or video versions before they ever married, maybe generations, so a passage of a few years between Chloe and Clark is nothing, besides, no one knows how much time passed at the end of Clark's relationship with Lana before he and Chloe got really close. They were a couple last night.

If one was looking for lots of clear romantic affection last night between Chloe and Clark it didn't happen, the episode was about Lex and Lana.

And Nois was nowhere to be seen. Helped make it a good episode.

No-El

12-09-2005, 12:14 PM

Once again we try to ascribe of what we KNOW as FACT to what we WANT from our favorites!!

I myself could not draw any "Continuity of Visible Concrete Evidence" that marriage or boyfriend/girlfriend or friend status was implied with CHLARK!

But this is Lex's dream from his perspective as the writers TRIED to portray not ours.

cotton candy girl

12-09-2005, 12:22 PM

If Clark and Chloe were in a relationship, it was so little that I didn't care.

That's something though-we can't even tell if they were or not. What does that say?

No-El

12-09-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
If Clark and Chloe were in a relationship, it was so little that I didn't care.

That's something though-we can't even tell if they were or not. What does that say?

It may imply, as the writers have suggested, that Lex may consider LITTLE IF NONE AT ALL of Clark and Chloe as HEAVY INTO EACH OTHER as we may have wanted. Seeing, this is Lex's dream he could invent or create any dialog and scene he wanted from his subconscious.

margroks

12-09-2005, 01:54 PM

And I love the idea of Chlark because they fit so well and have more chemistry than Clark and Lana and, most importantly they're friends first. And I do think there was a clear indication they were a couple.

My husband of many years sometimes refers to things I care deeply about as "your" whatever. That is in no way any kind of evidence. THe touching as they went through the lot and the fact that getting a tree is a very couply thing to do does indeed imply that.

And, as said above, Clark never said anything of the sort; he never said he hadn't found the right person AT ALL. He was referring first to Lana and saying he hadn't been ready to make that kind of committment to Lana and I took that to mean marriage and kids. He then said maybe he never would and really, you must remember this is Lex's dream/vision/whatever you want to call it and his focus on Clark and Chloe, in fact on everything was limited to his own viewpoint.

Everybody was patting him on the back, giving him humanitarian awards, telling him he always wants to go overboard for his family and saying he's just the best guy evah; it was quite self serving. It's always been Lex who has the committment fear, (Re:Helen) and I think he may have ascribed that to Clark when it's definitely been him who felt that way in the past.

shy175223

12-09-2005, 04:23 PM

I see no chemistry at all between them . And how do they fit well at all? All I can see them as friends but thats it. As the season 2 companion book said about the relationship' He's crazy about Chloe, BUT he isn't IN love with her.'

All about Clark

12-09-2005, 04:52 PM

Clark and Chloe were not a couple. If you go back and watch the scene when Clark let's Lex and Lana in at the (dream) party, Clark does not go anywhere near Chloe at this point in time or even during the toast. If they were together he would have. The tree shopping was just best friends helping each other out. Sorry Chlarkers.

I, myself wanted a Chlark kiss, even though I don't see them in a long term relationship. So when will we get our annual Chlark kiss???

cotton candy girl

12-09-2005, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
I see no chemistry at all between them . And how do they fit well at all? All I can see them as friends but thats it. As the season 2 companion book said about the relationship' He's crazy about Chloe, BUT he isn't IN love with her.'

We so agree on this. To me Clark and Chloe have no romantic chemistry. And if they do, it's not much, imo.

chlarklove

12-09-2005, 05:02 PM

That's something though-we can't even tell if they were or not. What does that say?

That they were leaving it ambiguous on purpose?

Seriously, this was an alternate future for Lex if he made the right choices. Obviously it's gonna focus more on Lex and his life than other people.

Now since it was an alternate reality, TPTB couldn't give away all their cards as to what might happen in the future.

Thus, we got no clear cut Chloe/Clark relationship definition. We do know they still are VERY close and had a coupley vibe at the Christmas tree lot, but we didn't get anything solid as to their status.

Also, Chloe was never called by her name.

IMO, they're saving up the Chlark for something HUGE. If this is the season where everything we've waited to see will happen, then Chlark is one of those things. And it's the ONLY thing they've been dangling in front of the fans for 5 seasons now, they're waiting for the right moment. I can't wait.

As the season 2 companion book said about the relationship' He's crazy about Chloe, BUT he isn't IN love with her.'

Of course not. He's in love with Lana now. But just because he isn't in love with Chloe now, doesn't mean he'll NEVER be in love with her. Love isn't just something that happens (though that's the way the Clana relationship has been portrayed), it's something that grows, and we're seeing something shift in Clark on the way he looks at Chloe and the way he speaks to her and about her. It's coming, but he needs to realize that Lana isn't the one for him, and the only way that can happen is if they have a REAL relationship. IMO, the Clana is already starting to unravel, and it's only a matter of time before it all crumbles down.

cotton candy girl

12-09-2005, 05:12 PM

I think you're getting your hopes up to be disappointed. I think Clark and Chloe will always just be friends. Even in the TV Guide interview it was said that even in a dream Chloe doesn't end up with Clark.

He ends up with Lois, obviously, but I think Clark and CHloe will always JUST be friends. It hasn't been dangling. He has made it clear that they're friends.

Chlark828

12-09-2005, 05:13 PM

i think that it could have been a hint of a future chlark because of the way they were looking at eachother, and walking away while holding eachother was very..."together like". the only thing that threw me off was the fact that clark called it "your tree" while talking to chloe..so yeah, i think it was just a dating type of thing of course. lex and lana are really cute together if lex wasn't evil of course. their kid was cute except he was kind of hyper...and the beginning of lex's dream was really funny..just lex's reaction to everything had me rolling :rotfl:

shy175223

12-09-2005, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Of course not. He's in love with Lana now. But just because he isn't in love with Chloe now, doesn't mean he'll NEVER be in love with her. Love isn't just something that happens (though that's the way the Clana relationship has been portrayed), it's something that grows, and we're seeing something shift in Clark on the way he looks at Chloe and the way he speaks to her and about her. It's coming, but he needs to realize that Lana isn't the one for him, and the only way that can happen is if they have a REAL relationship. IMO, the Clana is already starting to unravel, and it's only a matter of time before it all crumbles down.

Well its true that the Clana relationship is crumbling but it doesn't automatically mean that Chlark s just going to happen after that. I mean here is the anticapition of it before the airing of the episode and it wasn't much shown of how romanctic or serious they were there. And of coarse he is going to look at Chloe in a new way, I mean he can confide in her about his powers and all that but that doesn't mean that he is going to eventually 'FALL' for her at all.

Christine C

12-09-2005, 05:18 PM

It did seem like they were together at the Christmas tree lot, they walked away Clark's arm around Chole. It was a little misleading. They were both working at the planet together in Lex's ideal future so mabey they could of ended up a couple.

chlarklove

12-09-2005, 06:27 PM

I think you're getting your hopes up to be disappointed. I think Clark and Chloe will always just be friends. Even in the TV Guide interview it was said that even in a dream Chloe doesn't end up with Clark.

So because the writer of the article, who has no knowledge of what's to come in the future, says that it SEEMS Chloe's always destined to never get her man, makes it gospel? Right. Okay then.

He ends up with Lois, obviously, but I think Clark and CHloe will always JUST be friends. It hasn't been dangling. He has made it clear that they're friends.

Really? He ends up with Lois? Get the hell outta here. :p

The Chlark relationship HAS been dangling. And he hasn't made it clear that they're JUST friends. Do you want me to quote what Clark said? It seems like there are certain fans who forget what Clark *actually* has said in the past.

There was only ONE instance where Clark and Chloe openly talked about their feelings for each other. That was in Devoted.

Initially when Clark told his mother about Chloe hitting on him, Martha asked him how he felt about Chloe. His response? "The problem is I'm not over Lana yet. Sometimes I think I never will be." He never actually said how he felt about Chloe.

Later on when Chloe told Clark that she still had those feelings this is Clark's response:

Clark: Chloe... I wish I felt the same way, but I don't. At least not right now.

They left it open ended like that ON PURPOSE. But whatever, think what you want as I'll think what I want.

Well its true that the Clana relationship is crumbling but it doesn't automatically mean that Chlark s just going to happen after that. I mean here is the anticapition of it before the airing of the episode and it wasn't much shown of how romanctic or serious they were there. And of coarse he is going to look at Chloe in a new way, I mean he can confide in her about his powers and all that but that doesn't mean that he is going to eventually 'FALL' for her at all.

First of all, I'm not saying that IMMEDIATELY after Clana break up he's gonna jump right into another relationship with Chloe. Cause 1) Chloe won't be the rebound girl and 2) I can see them building it up where Clark starts to realize he's falling in love with Chloe and then he makes the decision to be proactive instead of the YEARS of pining/maybe I'll date you maybe not with Lana.

Second, the anticipation was because Ask Ausiello is a big fat liah. He was the one who had seen the ep, or we were to assume he had, and said that Clark was with Chloe but it was unclear as to how. How else would Chlark fans interpret that? There's just a lot of Chlarkers that are optimistic, myself included, and I LIKE it that way.

Third, it's clear that you don't see any romantic chemistry between the two and that's fine. I can't force you to, or anyone for that matter. But the way he looks at her, has a helluva lot more behind it than the way he looks at Lana.

Also, what has been Clark's biggest issue when it comes to relationships? Finding someone he can trust and be completely honest with and someone he can be himself around. It's quite clear that he's realized that it aint Lana, if it was, he'd have told her his secret by now. They BOTH know the other is lying and keeping secrets, yet they haven't confronted anything. They're just going through the motions and living in denial. But all that will change.

There's nothing saying that Clark can't or won't fall for Chloe sometime in the future. She's the type of girl he has to "grow into" ;) he has to be mature and ready for someone like that.

umm

12-09-2005, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
So because the writer of the article, who has no knowledge of what's to come in the future, says that it SEEMS Chloe's always destined to never get her man, makes it gospel? Right. Okay then.

Really? He ends up with Lois? Get the hell outta here. :p

The Chlark relationship HAS been dangling. And he hasn't made it clear that they're JUST friends. Do you want me to quote what Clark said? It seems like there are certain fans who forget what Clark *actually* has said in the past.

There was only ONE instance where Clark and Chloe openly talked about their feelings for each other. That was in Devoted.

Initially when Clark told his mother about Chloe hitting on him, Martha asked him how he felt about Chloe. His response? "The problem is I'm not over Lana yet. Sometimes I think I never will be." He never actually said how he felt about Chloe.

Later on when Chloe told Clark that she still had those feelings this is Clark's response:

Clark: Chloe... I wish I felt the same way, but I don't. At least not right now.

They left it open ended like that ON PURPOSE. But whatever, think what you want as I'll think what I want.

First of all, I'm not saying that IMMEDIATELY after Clana break up he's gonna jump right into another relationship with Chloe. Cause 1) Chloe won't be the rebound girl and 2) I can see them building it up where Clark starts to realize he's falling in love with Chloe and then he makes the decision to be proactive instead of the YEARS of pining/maybe I'll date you maybe not with Lana.

Second, the anticipation was because Ask Ausiello is a big fat liah. He was the one who had seen the ep, or we were to assume he had, and said that Clark was with Chloe but it was unclear as to how. How else would Chlark fans interpret that? There's just a lot of Chlarkers that are optimistic, myself included, and I LIKE it that way.

Third, it's clear that you don't see any romantic chemistry between the two and that's fine. I can't force you to, or anyone for that matter. But the way he looks at her, has a helluva lot more behind it than the way he looks at Lana.

Also, what has been Clark's biggest issue when it comes to relationships? Finding someone he can trust and be completely honest with and someone he can be himself around. It's quite clear that he's realized that it aint Lana, if it was, he'd have told her his secret by now. They BOTH know the other is lying and keeping secrets, yet they haven't confronted anything. They're just going through the motions and living in denial. But all that will change.

There's nothing saying that Clark can't or won't fall for Chloe sometime in the future. She's the type of girl he has to "grow into" ;) he has to be mature and ready for someone like that.

You tell them! Couldn´t have said it better myself! :)

ma200

12-09-2005, 06:40 PM

Clark: Chloe... I wish I felt the same way, but I don't. At least not right now.

OMG, What a jerk-off!!! If a guy said the exact same thing to me after I poured my heart out, I'd kick his ass.

That quote screams the words REBOUND and SECOND BEST!!

Chlarklove, if you get your wish, and Clark does come flying back to her and Chloe welcomes him with open arms, then that's proof to me that she's nothing more than a doormat.

mackenzie925

12-09-2005, 06:47 PM

Yeah, I have to jump on the bandwagon here - the Chlark in Lex's dream was never clearly defined. When I first saw them, I initially thought they were together, and I was even looking for clear signs of it. There were a few hints, but nothing definitive. Not to mention, they weren't very couple-ish during the party scene.

chlarklove ... very well said! I agree with your argument, and there's not much I can add.

But I will say this .... we all know that the Clana will dissolve very soon. And we all know that Clark ends up with Lois at the very end.

Well ... there's a lot of time in between those two certainties. And I wouldn't rule out a Chlark hook-up somewhere in the middle.

chlarklove

12-09-2005, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by ma200
Clark: Chloe... I wish I felt the same way, but I don't. At least not right now.

OMG, What a jerk-off!!! If a guy said the exact same thing to me after I poured my heart out, I'd kick his ass.

That quote screams the words REBOUND and SECOND BEST!!

Chlarklove, if you get your wish, and Clark does come flying back to her and Chloe welcomes him with open arms, then that's proof to me that she's nothing more than a doormat.

Wow. I'm just... I guess I'm not sure how to address your post.

I will say this though, who said she'd welcome him with open arms? But whatever, I digress on this point. I had this argument with someone else at another board and it's really just futile.

On the doormat front, what's a better relationship than that of 2 best friends whom are *EXTREMELY* close confidantes and it grows into something romantically deeper and intimate? The best type of a relationship is one that's built upon a solid friendship.

4EverSmallville

12-09-2005, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
First of all, I'm not saying that IMMEDIATELY after Clana break up he's gonna jump right into another relationship with Chloe. Cause 1) Chloe won't be the rebound girl and 2) I can see them building it up where Clark starts to realize he's falling in love with Chloe and then he makes the decision to be proactive instead of the YEARS of pining/maybe I'll date you maybe not with Lana.

Chloe wouldn't jump right into a relationship with Clark if he offered her the opportunity? I would be stunned if she turned him down, considering that she's admitted her feelings for him, as you so eloquently quoted, in Devoted.

Originally posted by chlarklove
Second, the anticipation was because Ask Ausiello is a big fat liah. He was the one who had seen the ep, or we were to assume he had, and said that Clark was with Chloe but it was unclear as to how. How else would Chlark fans interpret that? There's just a lot of Chlarkers that are optimistic, myself included, and I LIKE it that way. [/B]

If he's a liar, why did you believe him in the first place? We all knew it was Lex's dream beforehand so regardless of what Ask Ausiello said, it wasn't going to permeate into reality.

Originally posted by chlarklove
Third, it's clear that you don't see any romantic chemistry between the two and that's fine. I can't force you to, or anyone for that matter. But the way he looks at her, has a helluva lot more behind it than the way he looks at Lana. [/B]

How does he look at her exactly? I have yet to see him look at Chloe, excluding the span in late season one, that expressed romantic feelings. Whereas Clark has looked to Lana adoringly as recently as Lexmas. Just as you claim certain fans seem to forget things, others seem to invent them.

Originally posted by chlarklove
Also, what has been Clark's biggest issue when it comes to relationships? Finding someone he can trust and be completely honest with and someone he can be himself around. It's quite clear that he's realized that it aint Lana, if it was, he'd have told her his secret by now. They BOTH know the other is lying and keeping secrets, yet they haven't confronted anything. They're just going through the motions and living in denial. But all that will change.[/B]

Maybe I've missed something, but what about Lana is Clark suspicious of? As of now, I don't feel he has anything to confront her about, he has no idea of what she's doing with Lex and that'd be the only thing to question about their relationship at this time.

Originally posted by chlarklove
There's nothing saying that Clark can't or won't fall for Chloe sometime in the future. [/B]

You must mean outside him being in a relationship with Lana, not having romantic feelings for her, and as you also quoted earlier, that he 'may never be over [Lana].

Originally posted by chlarklove
She's the type of girl he has to "grow into" ;) he has to be mature and ready for someone like that. [/B]

I think this is all I agree with.

SmallvilleMan

12-09-2005, 07:04 PM

can see them building it up where Clark starts to realize he's falling in love with Chloe and then he makes the decision to be proactive instead of the YEARS of pining/maybe I'll date you maybe not with Lana.

Wha? He never did, the maybe i'll date, maybe I won't with Lana. He's always wanted to date Lana and be with her.

ma200

12-09-2005, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
Wow. I'm just... I guess I'm not sure how to address your post.

I will say this though, who said she'd welcome him with open arms?

On the doormat front, what's a better relationship than that of 2 best friends whom are *EXTREMELY* close confidantes and it grows into something romantically deeper and intimate? The best type of a relationship is one that's built upon a solid friendship.

The best type of relationship that anyone could hope for is not just built on friendship, not necessarily, but on mutual respect.

I don't care for Chloe and Clark dating, I just hope that she makes him crawl on his ass before she takes him back. But heck, I don't know if Chloe would do that. I only know that that's something I would do.

SmallvilleMan

12-09-2005, 07:08 PM

I would be millions that chloe would go out with clark or be in a relationship with him in a second. No doubt!

mackenzie925

12-09-2005, 07:11 PM

You must mean outside him being in a relationship with Lana, not having romantic feelings for her, and as you also quoted earlier, that he 'may never be over [Lana].

4EverSmallville - I think what Chlarklove is trying to say about the Chlark in the future ... is that there's a good possibility that Chloe and Clark could be in a relationship sometime in the future. Future, in this case, would mean when he was over Lana, when his relationship with Lana was dissolved, and when he might start looking at Chloe with a different vision. Clark has had romantic feelings for Chloe in the past, we all know it. But his feelings for Lana has always outweighed them. But what if Lana was out of the picture? Would his feelings for Chloe change? I really think they could.

Concerning the Clana ... we all know it's going to end eventually. And when it happens, there could be room for Chlark.

SmallvilleMan

12-09-2005, 07:14 PM

Clark has had SOME romantic feelings toward chloe, but not enough imo. He has liked some other guys besides Lana, alicia and kyla for example. It may be the fact that Clark just doesn't see chloe that way, just as the best friend, he can count on.

4EverSmallville

12-09-2005, 07:15 PM

There could be a Chlark relationship in the future; I can agree with this because it's basically shooting in the dark. We don't know how long Clark and Lana will be together or what the circumstances will be when they separate. That's why I agreed that Chloe would be someone Clark grew into, if he ever developed romantic feelings for her at all.

I still don't follow anything else though.

***
On a side note, it's about time Chloe got her own love interest. If there is Chlark, I'd like to see her have a solid relationship with someone else before that. I've always thought her feelings for Clark weaken her character, she deserves to have someone who she won't have to wait forever on.

chlarklove

12-09-2005, 07:18 PM

Chloe wouldn't jump right into a relationship with Clark if he offered her the opportunity? I would be stunned if she turned him down, considering that she's admitted her feelings for him, as you so eloquently quoted, in Devoted.

She'll always be in love with Clark yes. That doesn't mean that she'd just automatically get together with him. If she still felt like there was a chance, she wouldn't be pushing him to be more open with Lana and we'd see her be jealous of Clark and Lana's relationship. And guess what? We haven't. I mean, she was first to see him in the morning after him and Lana got caught, and she didn't bat an eye at that. It's telling. She's moved on. She found something she can focus on... her career.

If he's a liar, why did you believe him in the first place? We all knew it was Lex's dream beforehand so regardless of what Ask Ausiello said, it wasn't going to permeate into reality.

He has proven to be trustworthy in the past. That is why people believed him, myself included. AFTER seeing the episode is when I came to the conclusion that he lied. Or he just misinterpreted it. Which probably happened. Either that or he didn't even SEE the episode and was just going on other people's reactions/speculations. Which is also possible.

And it wasn't just a dream. It was an ACTUAL future for Lex should he decide to follow his heart and not his ambition. That was said numerous times by Lillian.

How does he look at her exactly? I have yet to see him look at Chloe, excluding the span in early season one, that expressed romantic feelings. Whereas Clark has looked to Lana adoringly as recently as Lexmas. Just as you claim certain fans seem to forget things, others seem to invent them.

Like I said, I'm not here to convince someone to see something they dont'. You don't see romantic Chlark vibes and I don't see the chemistry between Clana. It's all very subjective.

So, I'm inventing the way Clark looked at Chloe in Splinter (before the hug) and in Solitude (during the fireside scene)? Cool.

Also, I never said the way Clark was looking at her was romantic. I said the way he looks at her is changing, and it has romantic undertones.

Maybe I've missed something, but what about Lana is Clark suspicious of? As of now, I don't feel he has anything to confront her about, he has no idea of what she's doing with Lex and that'd be the only thing to question about their relationship at this time.

I think you have. The hospital scene in Splinter. Clark tells Lana that he heard/saw Lana talking to Lex about a spaceship, and Lana LIED to him about it. In that moment, you saw the realization dawn on Clark that Lana is being dishonest. But so is Clark.

You must mean outside him being in a relationship with Lana, not having romantic feelings for her, and as you also quoted earlier, that he 'may never be over [Lana].

*le sigh* You're totally not reading my posts. Cause if you had, there'd be no need for a comment like this.

I guess I'll repeat myself. In order for Clark to be able to move on from Lana, he has to have a REAL relationship with her. To which, we're seeing right now. Also, he has to see her CLEARLY for who she is. He still has this image in his head of her being "perfect" and how they're "ment2B" but that's not true. Something has to happen to make Clark realize that. And only after that, can he truly move on.

According to Tom Welling, we'll see that this season.

Chlarklove, do NOT disrespect me. I said OBVIOUSLY he ends up with Lois, because we know he does. I don't disrespect people on here, and I don't expect to be disrespected.

Well excuse me, I didn't realize joking and being sarcastic was against the rules. It's hard to tell when someone is replying in that manner online because we can't hear tone of voice or see facial expressions, so that's why there's emoticons, and why I used one in my post. I was trying to lighten it up. I apologize. (*sarcasm* maybe that would be better?)

And also, what IS against the rules is airing out problems on the boards. If you have a problem with something I posted, or anyone for that matter, you take it to PM.

On a side note, it's about time Chloe got her own love interest. If there is Chlark, I'd like to see her have a solid relationship with someone else before that. I've always thought her feelings for Clark weaken her character, she deserves to have someone who she won't have to wait forever on.

I agree. The only time her feelings made her weak, was in season 2. In season 3 she moved on. In season 4, they brought it back again because I honestly think they were gonna do Chlark that year but some things changed. However, she wasn't pining. And season 5 has made it VERY clear that she's no longer pining and that it's not an issue with her anymore.

I do have a theory about why Chloe doesn't have a love interest or hasn't at all... but that's not for this thread. ;)

cotton candy girl

12-09-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove

Well excuse me, I didn't realize joking and being sarcastic was against the rules. It's hard to tell when someone is replying in that manner online because we can't hear tone of voice or see facial expressions, so that's why there's emoticons, and why I used one in my post. I was trying to lighten it up. I apologize, I'll make a note never to do that again. *sarcasm* (maybe that would be better?)

And also, what IS against the rules is airing out problems on the boards. If you have a problem with something I posted, or anyone for that matter, you take it to PM.

Chlarklove, I deleted that post a long time ago because I noticed the emoticon. So no hard feelings.

And if I ever do feel disrespected on the boards, I feel I should address it on the boards, in a civilized manner and not flaming. But like I said, after I noticed the emoticon, I deleted. Sorry for not noticing.

SmallvilleMan

12-09-2005, 07:39 PM

According to Tom Welling, we'll see that this season.

Actually, according to Tom, we'll see why Lana isn't in Superman's life. Doesn't mean Clark realizes something about Lana, it may be that he realizes he can't have her in his life, because of his destiny. His feelings for Lana never change, his image of her will always stay the same.

I think you have. The hospital scene in Splinter. Clark tells Lana that he heard/saw Lana talking to Lex about a spaceship, and Lana LIED to him about it. In that moment, you saw the realization dawn on Clark that Lana is being dishonest. But so is Clark.

And...... Maybe Lana didn't tell him about the spaceship, because she didn't want it to take away from their relationship, which is still going strong at the moment.

4EverSmallville

12-09-2005, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by chlarklove
She'll always be in love with Clark yes. That doesn't mean that she'd just automatically get together with him. If she still felt like there was a chance, she wouldn't be pushing him to be more open with Lana and we'd see her be jealous of Clark and Lana's relationship. And guess what? We haven't. I mean, she was first to see him in the morning after him and Lana got caught, and she didn't bat an eye at that. It's telling. She's moved on. She found something she can focus on... her career.

So if she's moved on, where are you getting these 'looks' and hints at future romantic Chlark. As your words here demonstrate, they are friends...period.

Originally posted by chlarklove
And it wasn't just a dream. It was an ACTUAL future for Lex should he decide to follow his heart and not his ambition. That was said numerous times by Lillian. [/B]

Dream alternate reality, it's never going to come to pass exactly the way he saw it.

Originally posted by chlarklove
Like I said, I'm not here to convince someone to see something they dont'. You don't see romantic Chlark vibes and I don't see the chemistry between Clana. It's all very subjective. [/B]

Subjective is opinionative. There is nothing opinionative about the difference between Clana and Chlark. Clana is a romantic relationship. Chlark is a friendship. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by chlarklove
So, I'm inventing the way Clark looked at Chloe in Splinter (before the hug) and in Solitude (during the fireside scene)? Cool. [/B]

Yes. But as you say, it's all subjective.

Originally posted by chlarklove
I think you have. The hospital scene in Splinter. Clark tells Lana that he heard/saw Lana talking to Lex about a spaceship, and Lana LIED to him about it. In that moment, you saw the realization dawn on Clark that Lana is being dishonest. But so is Clark. [/B]

Funny, I'm playing it over and over right now and still don't see it. Clark gives Lana a sort of half smile when he mentions the spaceship *which he never even heard them say in the first place* then gives her a full smile when she says she's happy he's okay. We know Lana's lying, and so does she, but Clark is oblivious.

Originally posted by chlarklove
*le sigh* You're totally not reading my posts. Cause if you had, there'd be no need for a comment like this. [/B]

But I'm watching the show.

Originally posted by chlarklove
I guess I'll repeat myself. In order for Clark to be able to move on from Lana, he has to have a REAL relationship with her. To which, we're seeing right now. Also, he has to see her CLEARLY for who she is. He still has this image in his head of her being "perfect" and how they're "ment2B" but that's not true. Something has to happen to make Clark realize that. And only after that, can he truly move on. [/B]

You didn't say that in the post I quoted. I'm not denying that when Clark has to have a real relationship with Lana to move on from her, I thought that was implicit.

SmallvilleMan

12-09-2005, 08:07 PM

Subjective is opinionative. There is nothing opinionative about the difference between Clana and Chlark. Clana is a romantic relationship. Chlark is a friendship

Exactly correct.

mackenzie925

12-09-2005, 08:26 PM

Like I said, I'm not here to convince someone to see something they dont'. You don't see romantic Chlark vibes and I don't see the chemistry between Clana. It's all very subjective.

But that's the thing, SmallvilleMan. Many us Chlarkers, like myself, actually SEE Chlark romantic vibes. You may not, but we do. On the surface, by purely objective definition, Clana is romantic (at the moment), and Chlark is friendship (at the moment).

For a Chlarker ... we always see the romantic vibes, no matter what. Just as a Clana fan will always see the Clana romantic vibes. The undertones of the relationship, what's underneath the objective definition.

As for Chlarkers, and I know for me. ... my heart just beats that way. I will always see the romantic tension/undertones of the Chlark relationship, even if other people don't.

Big Albowski

12-09-2005, 08:31 PM

MOD NOTE- This is to discuss what happened in the episode.... NOT TO DEBATE CHLARK VS. CLANA.... AGAIN!!!!!!!
Get back on track or I will close this thread!!

Al

Watching Smallville

12-09-2005, 09:21 PM

To me, the more important Chlark relationship in the episode was Chloe's appealing to Clark to help deliver presents. She's almost become his conscience. I think that's a very interesting role for her -- or anyone -- to play. She's always pushing Clark to do the right thing. In a way, she's taken over this role from his parents -- with a twist. Instead of being nervous about his abilities, as his parents have always been, Chloe thinks they're exciting. She'll protect his identity, but she wants those superpowers put to good use. Even Pete didn't give Clark the kind of encouragement to use his powers that Chloe does. And I think this is important for Clark.

CK&CK

12-09-2005, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
To me, the more important Chlark relationship in the episode was Chloe's appealing to Clark to help deliver presents. She's almost become his conscience. I think that's a very interesting role for her -- or anyone -- to play. She's always pushing Clark to do the right thing. In a way, she's taken over this role from his parents -- with a twist. Instead of being nervous about his abilities, as his parents have always been, Chloe thinks they're exciting. She'll protect his identity, but she wants those superpowers put to good use. Even Pete didn't give Clark the kind of encouragement to use his powers that Chloe does. And I think this is important for Clark.

Exactly Right!

As far as the Chlark in the episode......yeah, the Christmas tree part was the closest we came to it. It's obvious Clark was putting his arm around her as they walked away.....and I loved the way she looked back at Lex. [ on a side note: Lex saying "this tree is for me"to Lana......oh man.....was I moved] As far as Clark's let's get "Your tree"...... that statement doesn't mean they're not together. In fact, it reminded me of "Jinx" where Martha say's to Johnathan..."Hey you" and motions him to go along with her. I've done that myself actually. But yeah, TPTB kind of kept it borderline.....which in turn left it to one's interpretation.....but on the plus side.....the same held true for Clark and Lana. Not the interpretation part, but the fact that they kept it to a bare minimum. So thankful for that. I think that TPTB were probably trying to keep the focus on Lex and Lana. Besides, I've been so happy with Chloe's character development this season, that I can't really complain. I just wish Clark was a little more pro-active as opposed to whinning, but in the end.....he did the right thing. Oh Yeah, "Here comes Santa Clause".

Hey, I actually really liked Lana in this episode, and I'm not fast forwarding through her scenes on repeat viewings......how strange is that?......at least for me. She almost made me forget about the little things in her acting technigue that generally annoy me......but Kristin, was for the most part, so good in this episode....that I just ignored it. Actually, that's not completely true.......I don't think that I even had to try. She was so good that I was more like.....who cares.

Michael Rosenbaum was just so utterly amazing in this episode! Do you know what one of the secrets to being a great actor is? "Power".....and Mikey has definitely got it.....in a subtle and beautifully Evil Way.

To my fellow Chlarker's, I was actaully kind of worried originally about Chlark being in the episode, because I thought, well, that would mean that in the other reality it wouldn't happen. But as the episode got closer.....I just said.....oh hell, I can't take it....bring the Chlark on! So, while a part of me was slightly dissapointed....another was not.......go figure.

And in parting, I would also like to say to all my fellow Chlarkers, don't give up on those two original members of the Smallville Scooby Doo Gang just yet! And Don't listen to those who claim otherwise....especially those Smallville fans that SO want Chlark to SO NOT happen. Just because we want it to happen....doesn't mean we're not aware that it may not. But to stop dreaming just because these nay-sayers say so (and just like us...they DON'T know)..........then we might as well just pack it in and give up on life. Stop dreaming?.....might as well stop breathing. What's really funny is that at times......it seems almost as though some of them are trying harder to convince themselves.....more than us.

Billy Jor-El

12-09-2005, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by margroks
And I love the idea of Chlark because they fit so well and have more chemistry than Clark and Lana

You nailed it right there! They are so compatible/comfortable with each other that being with anyone else is a lie....

CK&CK

12-09-2005, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
You nailed it right there! They are so compatible/comfortable with each other that being with anyone else is a lie....

I agree, and the X-Mas Tree shopping along with, and especially the end talk about Santa between Clark & Chloe kind of made that obvious....at least to me. There's just such an awesome comfort level between the two. In that aspect.....this episode really delivered.......and that "Yay!" when Clark agreed to deliver presents to needy kids.....how adorable was that! Yeah...Chloe was so cute......and I have to agree with someone else's post that said...."only a Grinch could be mad because Clark was delivering presents to needy kids". But you know what?......there seems to be a lot Grinches running around this X-mas.

captaincharisma

12-10-2005, 02:50 AM

Didn’t like Chlark at all in this episode, she knew that Clark was with Lana for Christmas, she prised him away from her for what was a noble course I guess. But her primary reason for doing it was to further her career and then she expects Clark to lie again to Lana about it. Seems like Chloe is getting into the lying act also, what happened to miss samaritan saying to Clark to tell her? Now she is using Clark to suit her own needs, there wasn’t exactly only a few xmas items there, using his superpowers for her benefit. Selfish from Chloe but of course the writers still like to make out she is the martyr i.e. helping out the kids.

shy175223

12-10-2005, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
You nailed it right there! They are so compatible/comfortable with each other that being with anyone else is a lie....

the reason why they are so'COMFORTABLE' with each other now is that , thanks to Alicia, he can talk to her about his powers and he doesn't have to hide them from her anymore. And as for compatiblity, I see NONe. Other than the fact that they will ALWAYS be best friends. Some best friends are like that whether they would be male/female. Doesn't ALWAYS mean that they will eventually turn ROMANTIC .

And what if isn't just his feelings for his girlfriend at the moment, what if he eventually gets over her but he never will feel anything romantic toward Chloe?What if hisfrienshipfor her is just that friendship and nothing more? I just don't see it coming at all.

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Clark has had SOME romantic feelings toward chloe, but not enough imo. He has liked some other guys besides Lana, alicia and kyla for example. It may be the fact that Clark just doesn't see chloe that way, just as the best friend, he can count on.

BINGO, EXACTLY. SmallvilleMan, YOU hit it right on the nail!

Kryptonian Snake

12-10-2005, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by captaincharisma
Didn’t like Chlark at all in this episode, she knew that Clark was with Lana for Christmas, she prised him away from her for what was a noble course I guess. But her primary reason for doing it was to further her career and then she expects Clark to lie again to Lana about it. Seems like Chloe is getting into the lying act also, what happened to miss samaritan saying to Clark to tell her? Now she is using Clark to suit her own needs, there wasn’t exactly only a few xmas items there, using his superpowers for her benefit. Selfish from Chloe but of course the writers still like to make out she is the martyr i.e. helping out the kids.
I don't think Chloe was encouraging Clark to lie. She, just like the viewers, knows good and well that Clark isn't just going to come out and tell Lana the truth anytime soon. As far as Chloe becoming a liar, that happened as soon as she learned of Clark's powers. Most recently, she lied to Lana about Clark's powers in Splinter.

Chloe did take advantage of Clark's powers, but I kind of see that as karma. There's no telling how many times Clark has used Lex and his wealth for personal benefit. Besides, I think Clark is only going to become Superman if someone pushes him in that direction and convinces him that he should embrace his powers to use them to help others. As Watching Smallville stated earlier, that someone seems to be Chloe.

shy175223

12-10-2005, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
As Watching Smallville stated earlier, that someone seems to be Chloe.

I agree that she could get him to use his powers for good, but as for embracing it, it doesn't seem so. I think 'in that sense' she is more like Jimmy Olsen from the comics than Lois.

SnarkMasterJ

12-10-2005, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
And...... Maybe Lana didn't tell him about the spaceship, because she didn't want it to take away from their relationship, which is still going strong at the moment.

Okay...doesn't mean it's not a lie. Even a lie with the best intentions behind it is still a lie.

And the term "going strong" is also subjective, because there are some who do see the cracks in the Clana mask, and it won't be long before that mask breaks apart altogether.

SmallvilleMan

12-10-2005, 10:00 AM

Okay...doesn't mean it's not a lie. Even a lie with the best intentions behind it is still a lie.

Sometimes a lie is nessacary in some people's mind. There are also different degrees of lies, but yes, it is a lie.

And the term "going strong" is also subjective, because there are some who do see the cracks in the Clana mask, and it won't be long before that mask breaks apart altogether

It's not really subjective at all. When you're happy, like they are, that means you're going strong. There may be cracks, but that doesn't it's affecting them now, it probably will in the fuiture, but it isn't now. You also don't know how long it wil be before it breaks a part, seeing as how much they love each other, it could be quite some time before it does fall a part.

You nailed it right there! They are so compatible/comfortable with each other that being with anyone else is a lie....

Well, clark looks completely comfortable with Lana in his arms. In fact, he's the happiest when he's been with her. I'd take happy over comfortable any day of the week.

cca_25

12-10-2005, 10:42 AM

I liked very much that Chloe and Clark were together. Though if they had already married was not specified. :D

No-El

12-10-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
You nailed it right there! They are so compatible/comfortable with each other that being with anyone else is a lie....

Yes, you both have it and I second that motion---Chlark IS "Compatiable and Comfortable" in that episode; like a "Warm Fuzzy Blanket" you can warm yourself on a Winter's Night!

muffinpeddler

12-10-2005, 11:39 AM

I think we should have seen more of Chloe and Clark in the episode, or at least more confirmation on maritale status. For instance, Clark could have said: "Well, you offered Lana something I couldn't. Besides, Chloe and I couldn't be happier with each other."

No-El

12-10-2005, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
I think we should have seen more of Chloe and Clark in the episode, or at least more confirmation on maritale status. For instance, Clark could have said: "Well, you offered Lana something I couldn't. Besides, Chloe and I couldn't be happier with each other."

You're right!
That alternate dialog that Clark SHOULD have said would have made alot of sense especially in light of Lex's "Third Wheel" comment to Chloe at the Kawatche Cave in 'Mortal'!

But I suppose the writers sometimes DO NOT make sense when thinking through dialog vs. continuity.

shy175223

12-10-2005, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
I think we should have seen more of Chloe and Clark in the episode, or at least more confirmation on maritale status. For instance, Clark could have said: "Well, you offered Lana something I couldn't. Besides, Chloe and I couldn't be happier with each other."

yeah, he could've said that but he didn't. I guess the writers and producers had other ideas concerning Chlark in this episode.

muffinpeddler

12-10-2005, 12:59 PM

yes, they didn't want to draw away from Lexana. Grr.

No-El

12-10-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
yes, they didn't want to draw away from Lexana. Grr.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I sincerely WISH and I'm sure Allison would make one of those public service announcements after an epsiode like Chris Reeve and Tom and Anette O' Toole have done. And hopefully give a wink to us guys who care enough about such issues-----if the producers allow her!

muffinpeddler

12-10-2005, 01:08 PM

We can only dream...

No-El

12-10-2005, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
We can only dream...

YES!!!!

And unlike Lex's LEXMAS dream, we could probably do something about it if we guys got off our butts and petitioned for Allison's input on CHLARK!!

shy175223

12-10-2005, 01:21 PM

Well, how do you know that she would've feel the same way about Chlark as you would. Not a guarantee there. I mean both K.K. and TW don't feel too good about Clana it seems.

cotton candy girl

12-10-2005, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
Well, how do you know that she would've feel the same way about Chlark as you would. Not a guarantee there. I mean both K.K. and TW don't feel too good about Clana it seems.

What, my friend? Tom said Lana was the center of humanity for Clark, and Kristin said it's not such a stretch for Clark and Lana to be in a relationship after being so close to being in one for all that time.

Billy Jor-El

12-10-2005, 01:29 PM

OK, then who is Allison's management? Get a letter writing campaign going to get her thoughts on the Chlark!

shy175223

12-10-2005, 01:29 PM

I know but aren't there some indicationsTom and Kristin don't like Clana that much. Kind off-topic there.

cotton candy girl

12-10-2005, 01:31 PM

What are you talking about? :)

shy175223

12-10-2005, 01:36 PM

I don't know, I guess I've read too many posters of their ideas on Clana I suppose. Now back to topic.

No-El

12-10-2005, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
Well, how do you know that she would've feel the same way about Chlark as you would. Not a guarantee there. I mean both K.K. and TW don't feel too good about Clana it seems.

Allison herself expressed this to a female fan at the 2005 Memorial Day Alzheimer's Event when asked from two fans:

Allison is even more beautiful in person and tiny. My friend's and I had discussed what we would like to ask her if we got the chance, so on a dare I asked if Clark and Chloe would ever get together, to which she answered, "I don't know....I hope so..." *insert big smile*. The writers and Al Gough do not keep her appraised of every thing on their plates.

Want the link here it is a Italian Fan site complete with photos of Allison and her fans with also John Glover/Lionel Luthor at the Event and take note at the bottom in YELLOW TEXT: Trooper By mkitty

Allison's Participation at Memorial Day Alzhiemer's Event (http://smallville.forumcommunity.net/?t=1468018&st=30)

shy175223

12-10-2005, 01:46 PM

Thanks for link . Love the pictures . She looks absolutaley adorable!

No-El

12-10-2005, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
Thanks for link . Love the pictures . She looks absolutaley adorable!

You see told you!

Now you ladies and gents have a fresh and candid Allison for your enjoyment.

Just to fill you in, we guys were taking about Allison doing a Public Service Announcement like Chris Reeve and Tom and Anette O' Toole have done but on a "CHLARK like" episode.

But we could only dream about it.

SmallvilleMan

12-10-2005, 02:05 PM

I know but aren't there some indicationsTom and Kristin don't like Clana that much. Kind off-topic there.

I think it has more to do with the things involved in having clana that make KK and TW not like it that much. Especially, the rumors that were actually going to get together, after TW's wife supposively left him. So yeah, i think it has to do with the Clark and Lana part of it, more to do with the KK and TW part of it.

No-El

12-10-2005, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I think it has more to do with the things involved in having clana that make KK and TW not like it that much. Especially, the rumors that were actually going to get together, after TW's wife supposively left him. So yeah, i think it has to do with the Clark and Lana part of it, more to do with the KK and TW part of it.

Regarding the Chlark in Lexmas??

Have you seen my post a few up that has the link of Allison and her comment on CHLARK in the future??

You may enjoy it if you are discussing Chlark---in Lexmas.

SmallvilleMan

12-10-2005, 02:22 PM

No, no, no:D :p

No-El

12-10-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
No, no, no:D :p

I take it you saw my post with the link?:confused: :confused:

Was that your response:confused:

SmallvilleMan

12-10-2005, 02:30 PM

I did see it, but i was replying to what Shy wrote.

No-El

12-11-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by mackenzie925
4EverSmallville - I think what Chlarklove is trying to say about the Chlark in the future ... is that there's a good possibility that Chloe and Clark could be in a relationship sometime in the future. Future, in this case, would mean when he was over Lana, when his relationship with Lana was dissolved, and when he might start looking at Chloe with a different vision. Clark has had romantic feelings for Chloe in the past, we all know it. But his feelings for Lana has always outweighed them. But what if Lana was out of the picture? Would his feelings for Chloe change? I really think they could.

Concerning the Clana ... we all know it's going to end eventually. And when it happens, there could be room for Chlark.

Agreed whole heartedly!

My words on Chlark to a tee!

There was always that notion earlier pre-Clana that if Lana was not in the picture, Clark would go for and keep his relationship with Chloe and any subsequent growth/development of it.

Originally posted by Crazy4Smallville
Now, onto Clark, Chloe & Lana –

I loved how Clark was willing to give up his time with Lana to help Chloe. He didn’t ask what first – he sped to her aide and then asked. I LOVED how he played Santa. I thought that was very funny. Now, I can tell all the little kids I know that Santa is really a Kryptonian. That’s how he can do so much in so little of time. It’s really him that flies, not the reindeer. LOL! I liked the “It’s a Wonderful Life” theme this show had.

I didn’t fail to notice the comment Clark made to Lana when she put the (gingerbread guy?) on top of the tree. He is still lost into his obsession with her being ‘perfect’.

Chloe doesn’t spend Christmas with her dad, her uncle or her cousin, Lois? Is she really that alone? Yet, she was selfless, willing to spend her time doing something for someone else. Yes, she was also doing it to further her career, but why not? It’s the only thing she has. Lana has Clark, Lois has her dad and Chloe is all alone. But, maybe she’s not as alone as we all think. During the Christmas party at the Kent’s I noticed something. Maybe it was a mistake, or maybe not. But, Lana spent her time catering, while Chloe and Clark spent their time huddled in the corner together, regaling the evening. Yes, I know they had to talk about Claus – but that could have waited for another time or done in another setting. Maybe it’s just the Chlarker in me grasping at any straw – but I found it interesting. Also, why was Lana wearing a black sleeveless shirt on Christmas Eve – when it is clearly freezing outside? I found that odd. Black usually insinuates being evil, having the desire to be invisible or having a cold heart. They could have at least put her in a red or green – make her more cheerful – but black?

Interesting points about CHLARK and I never noticed the symolism in Lana's black dress seeing it is a "Holiday Season" of festivities!!

There were alot of subtlies and "winks and nods" to everything one must look close to see them and some obvious ones too!

Very interesting point indeed!

smallville_fetish

12-11-2005, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by chlarklove

In order for Clark to be able to move on from Lana, he has to have a REAL relationship with her. To which, we're seeing right now. Also, he has to see her CLEARLY for who she is. He still has this image in his head of her being "perfect" and how they're "ment2B" but that's not true.

Before you people continue your shipper war I just wanted to say all this mumble jumble about 'Clark being fixed on Lana because he thinks she's perfect, but once he realizes she's not he'll leave her' is crap. He still sees Lana as perfect throughout these 4 years because he loves her. Like it or not it's given because if you love someone, you see their FLAWS, their imperfection and perfection and you accept all of it.. just because it doesn't show Clark being annouyed by one of Lana's flaws doesn't mean he doesn't see it, it just doesn't matter to him. Like why isn't Lana nagging about Clark's flaws=secrets/lies when she knows they're there? Because she doesn't care that much anymore compared to the previous seasons when she wasn't totally in love with him. Lana is definitely not perfect, but she's perfect in Clark's eyes and that will never change.

No-El

12-11-2005, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Before youpeople continue your shipper war I just wanted to say all this mumble jumble about 'Clark being fixed on Lana because he thinks he's perfect, but once he realizes she's not he'll leave her' is crap. He still sees Lana as perfect throughout these 4 years because he loves her. Like it or not it's given because if you love someone, you see their FLAWS, their imperfection and perfection and you accept all of it.. just because it doesn't show Clark being annouyed by one of Lana's flaws doesn't mean he doesn't see it, it probably doesn't matter to him. Why isn't Lana nagging about Clark's flaws=secrets? Because she care that much anymore compared to the previous seasons when she wasn't totally in love with him. Lana is definitely not perfect, but she's perfect in Clark's eyes and that will never change.

Yes, to the bitter end...."TO THE BITTER END"!:(

Old Juan

12-11-2005, 01:08 PM

No-El

12-11-2005, 01:13 PM

Watching Smallville

12-11-2005, 01:26 PM

I think love has a lot to do with chemistry. No matter how wonderful someone may be, if the chemistry isn't there, what can you do? In my view what Lana and Clark have right now is strong chemistry. And when that wears down -- and it always does -- the people they are and the secrets and the hiding and so forth and so on will begin to matter. Of course, what I'm talking about is life, not TV, so who knows what's likely to happen on Smallville. ;)

I have to say, though, that I really enjoy Clark and Chloe's friendship. And I enjoy Lana's security about it. I don't know whether I believe this is at all realistic, but it's heartwarming. :)

SmallvilleMan

12-11-2005, 01:56 PM

But Clark doesn't see Lana's flaws. He refuses to look at her as anything else but this ideal he's imagined for all these years. Even in Mortal when Lana actually tries to get Clark to see that she's not perfect by talking about some of the bad decisions she's made in the past he deliberately says its in the past and to essentially forget about. Clark doesn't want to see Lana in any other light but the one he's created for her. That is not loving Lana despite her flaws, that is blatently ignoring her flaws.

Or is that he doesn't care about her flaws? When you're in love with someone, you don't care about their flaws, all yoi look at is the part you're in love with. He's not going to focus on her flaws, just as Chloe does with Clark. Clark doesn't care about what she's done, because he knows her as does Lana, when it comes to Clark. Part of loving someone is accepting their faults, not dwelling on them.

I think love has a lot to do with chemistry. No matter how wonderful someone may be, if the chemistry isn't there, what can you do? In my view what Lana and Clark have right now is strong chemistry. And when that wears down -- and it always does -- the people they are and the secrets and the hiding and so forth and so on will begin to matter. Of course, what I'm talking about is life, not TV, so who knows what's likely to happen on Smallville

That's completely true, it will eventually began to matter. All the secrets and hiding will come out. Is it way they don't end up together in the end? No, because i think they don't end up together for exactly the reason the older Clark said in Lexmas, he's not ready with his destiny and all.

Which is why it 'MAY' BE BITTER for Clark in the END when Clana is no more!

Except they said it was going to be bitter SWEET. Which implies that it's going to be them both still in love with each other, but having to part ways.

HOPEFULLY, Clark will see in Chloe the Woman that she IS that Lana IS NOT.

And what is Lana not? Lana as much the woman chloe is.

CK&CK

12-11-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Old Juan
But Clark doesn't see Lana's flaws. He refuses to look at her as anything else but this ideal he's imagined for all these years. Even in Mortal when Lana actually tries to get Clark to see that she's not perfect by talking about some of the bad decisions she's made in the past he deliberately says its in the past and to essentially forget about. Clark doesn't want to see Lana in any other light but the one he's created for her. That is not loving Lana despite her flaws, that is blatently ignoring her flaws.

That part in "Mortal" really jumped out at me when I first saw it. He blatenly ignored what the past four years had shown him otherwise. Just shows me that neither Clark or Lana have matured much as a result of the past four years. No matter what the reasoning, Clark's not being a big boy....and Lana's not being a big girl. They both want to ignore the past (with Lana's past being more recent). But, this will come back to haunt Clark the most..........especially with all the growing lies between them both. Ahhhhh.....the Boy of Steel.....and we wonder why his brain is so dense.

SmallvilleMan

12-11-2005, 02:23 PM

That part in "Mortal" really jumped out at me when I first saw it. He blatenly ignored what the past four years had shown him otherwise. Just shows me that neither Clark or Lana have matured much as a result of the past four years. No matter what the reasoning, Clark's not being a big boy....and Lana's not being a big girl. They both want to ignore the past (with Lana's past being more recent). But, this will come back to haunt Clark the most..........especially with all the growing lies between them both. Ahhhhh.....the Boy of Steel.....and we wonder why his brain is so dense.

Or could it be that they want to move on from a past that kept them a part? There's a difference between ignoring and accepting the past as the past.

smallville_fetish

12-11-2005, 02:53 PM

They both wanted to put the past behind them, and you can call it naive esp for Clark's part thinking he would be rid of his powers for good, but they both ACCEPTED the 'past can't hurt us' and both wanted to focus on the present. We only see the urk in the whole 'Clark should've listened to what Lana had to say' because we knew what she had to say. We also know what they're doing isn't healthy for their relationship but they obviously can't because they're still together and going strong; Lana being secure with Clark being around with Chloe all the time reassures it.

CK&CK

12-11-2005, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Or could it be that they want to move on from a past that kept them a part? There's a difference between ignoring and accepting the past as the past.

The reason history always repeats itself is because generations forget the lessons that it taught them. He didn't accept the past so much as ignored it. Or if he didn't ignore it, then that's all that he sees it as.....the past is just the past.....nothing more...so it can't hurt them.......then he's back to being obtuse. The episode "Mortal" was a prime example of that. "But we know you.....hell, half the innmates are in there because of you!" Come on Clark!......Wake up you bonehead! Lex had it right.....the past is always affecting the future. And it's the root of one's experience........unless of course you're Clark Kent......well, at least the writters have kept the continuity to Clark's personalitly in tact.

SmallvilleMan

12-11-2005, 03:00 PM

The reason history always repeats itself is because generations forget the lessons that it taught them. He didn't accept the past so much as ignored it. Or if he didn't ignore it, then that's all that he sees it as.....the past is just the past.....nothing more...so it can't hurt them.......then he's back to being obtuse. The episode "Mortal" was a prime example of that. "But we know you.....hell, half the innmates are in there because of you!" Come on Clark!......Wake up you bonehead! Lex had it right.....the past is always affecting the future. And it's the root of one's experience........unless of course you're Clark Kent......well, at least the writters have kept the continuity to Clark's personalitly in tact.

Like I said, there's a difference between ignoring and accpeting the past! All that needs to be said.

CK&CK

12-11-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Like I said, there's a difference between ignoring and accpeting the past! All that needs to be said.

Then let's just say that he's accepting the past in an ignorant way.

shy175223

12-11-2005, 03:08 PM

huh, aren't we getting a little off-topic here?? Just a little a warning before Mod decides to close this thread.

SmallvilleMan

12-11-2005, 03:11 PM

Then let's just say that he's accepting the past in an ignorant way.

That can be said.

smallville_fetish

12-11-2005, 03:29 PM

It's difference of opinion for everyone but you can't deny he loves Lana. And since this is a Chlark thread I'll attempt to pull in Chloe.. why did Clark show less affection to Chloe in this dream episode compared to the Lexana ship? They were more couple-like. I'd be made if I was a Chlark fan.

Old Juan

12-11-2005, 04:05 PM

The reason being is because the focus of the episode is on Lex so the Chlark pairing wasn't ever going to get the attention and focus that Lexana did. For die hard Chlarkers who got their hopes up because of one article were bound to be dissappointed because they were obviously expecting and hoping for more and they didn't get it. The other thing is the Chlark pairing was shown on a more casual level because despite what some people may believe real couples aren't always lovely dovey 24/7. Its just not realistic in any fashion. Real couples do have non-romantic moments in their relationships both in private and public. This in combination with the fact that the episode is centred on Lex is the reason why we didn't see dreamChlark in the same fashion as the Lexana.

Watching Smallville

12-11-2005, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Old Juan
The other thing is the Chlark pairing was shown on a more casual level because despite what some people may believe real couples aren't always lovely dovey 24/7. Its just not realistic in any fashion. Real couples do have non-romantic moments in their relationships both in private and public.
Old Juan, I was going to post that I was more convinced that Clark and Chloe were a couple in Lex's dream because of the casual, teasing, and offhand way they dealt with eath other. Very realistic of a real couple. You beat me to it. :D

CK&CK

12-11-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
It's difference of opinion for everyone but you can't deny he loves Lana.

Not sure why you feel the need to throw in the "deny" statement. I don't think anyone is denying that.....least of all me. Some debates may touch on how much of it is Love and how much of it is Lust.......but just like the Chlark in this episode....that lust/love aspect of the relationship is subject to one's interpretation.

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
And since this is a Chlark thread I'll attempt to pull in Chloe.. why did Clark show less affection to Chloe in this dream episode compared to the Lexana ship? They were more couple-like. I'd be made if I was a Chlark fan.

I think you were trying to say that as Chlarker "I'd be mad" right? Actually, they kept the Chalrk couple clue super brief, but I guess you blinked. Clark put his arm around Chloe as they walked away from Lex. Now, I've never ever seen him do that, however, it is hardly conclusive. But still suggestive enough to hint at it, and to leave it to one's interpretation. Plus, I think a lot of us Chlarkers can't be mad......they may have kept it brief, but the same held true for Clark/Lana.......I think TPTB wanted to keep the focus on Lexana. Personally, as I have continually said, I think what they were going for was letting one interpret for themselves what the Chlark relationship status is. Because not only did they cut away too fast from him putting his arm around Chloe, but we have to ask ourselves...... why even show that little bit at all? Besides, TPTB not showing much Chlark........for me......kind of bolds well for having future Chlark.....in my opinion.

shy175223

12-12-2005, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Old Juan
The reason being is because the focus of the episode is on Lex so the Chlark pairing wasn't ever going to get the attention and focus that Lexana did. For die hard Chlarkers who got their hopes up because of one article were bound to be dissappointed because they were obviously expecting and hoping for more and they didn't get it. The other thing is the Chlark pairing was shown on a more casual level because despite what some people may believe real couples aren't always lovely dovey 24/7. Its just not realistic in any fashion. Real couples do have non-romantic moments in their relationships both in private and public. This in combination with the fact that the episode is centred on Lex is the reason why we didn't see dreamChlark in the same fashion as the Lexana.

But still Old Juan, even though the episode was focusing On Lex, you would think that in that dream, at least, Clark he would've said something about'how happy he was with chloe' when Lex asked how he ended up with Lana. He never did.

margroks

12-12-2005, 08:13 AM

I think the intimation of their being a couple was certainly there. And that they weren't all over each other at the party? Couples who are close and secure in their relationship aren't joined at the hip. As for all this other stuff...Clark did express that he had feelings for Chloe at one time and that his desire to take her out wasn't by default. It's completely within the realm of possibility that it might be that way again. And certainly, since Clark and Chloe have oodles of chemistry in any situation, romantic or otherwise, it would be great to see.

To think that Clark would never get over his "love" for Lana is outrageous and a diss to his future wife, Lois, whomever she may turn out to be. It makes any future love always second best to Lana Lang and that's revolting. The cracks in his relationship with Lana have been there from the start due to her lying and her inability to accept Clark and that is never a sound basis for a relatonship be it friendship or romance. Mutual respect and candor are the basis for real love and any good friendship and that has never existed between Lana and Clark. Chloe and Clark have shared a candor and closeness unparallelled in Clark's experience with women and it could easily blossom again, as I think we did see indicated in Lexmas.

Another interesting note I just realized was that Chloe havng the long blond hair was the same as the long blond haired Lois in SUperman Returns. Just more food for thought.

One more thing...Clark hasn't had a thing with any other guys on screen...not unless I missed some really interesting episodes!

shy175223

12-12-2005, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by margroks
Another interesting note I just realized was that Chloe havng the long blond hair was the same as the long blond haired Lois in SUperman Returns. Just more food for thought.

One more thing...Clark hasn't had a thing with any other guys on screen...not unless I missed some really interesting episodes!

Kate Bosworth DID have her hair dyed burnette for the role of 'Lois' in the movie. SO no similarities there.

Are you refering to guys as suppose to 'gals' because he did have quite a thing for numorous 'guys' like Alicia and Kyra when he could've gone out with Chloe but he didn't.

And Iagree that they do have a bond now. But I'm sure he would've had a bond with Lana IF he told her the truth from the beginning.

No-El

12-12-2005, 08:53 AM

I'll say this, CHLARK could have gone either way in Lex's dream when you consider his "Third Wheel" remark to Chloe in 'Mortal'!

They showing up together in his dream is an indicator that the notion of Chloe going after or pinning for Clark is "solidified" in Lex's subconscious.

margroks

12-12-2005, 11:14 AM

I think it merely shown Lex thinks of them together and not at all that the bond would be necessarily one way.

No-El

12-12-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by margroks
I think it merely shown Lex thinks of them together and not at all that the bod would be necessarily one way.

I take it when you commented "bod" you meant "body"?? :confused: :confused:

liana

12-12-2005, 04:31 PM

Chlark was not clear on the episode because the writers didn't want it to be clear. They wanted to left it to viewer's interpretation: if someone wants to see them as a couple, they will if someone doesn't, they won't. There at least one convincing point to each point: chlarkers would point the tree scene, non chlarkes would point the Clark/Lex dialogue. But the real point was not to make anyone sure. It was an attempt to make everyone happy.

I would prefer them being a lot more clear on the subject, or not treat it at all, but they do that all the time, right? Here goes my hope that one day they will remember that the whole universe doesn't revolve around Clark or Lana. Meaning: not every girl has to be in love with Clark and not every man has to be in love with Lana. :mad:

Originally posted by shy175223
Kate Bosworth DID have her hair dyed burnette for the role of 'Lois' in the movie. SO no similarities there.

Actually she didn't dye her hair, she is wearing a brunette wig for the role of 'Lois'.

All about Clark

12-12-2005, 04:47 PM

I think the point is that Lex doesn't believe Clark will be with anyone because Lex adamantly believes Clark is different and that it will always be an obsticle.

As for the Chlark, they were not a couple in the Lexmas dream, just best friends. It just strikes that some want it so bad they'll use anything to create it in their minds.

liana

12-12-2005, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
I think the point is that Lex doesn't believe Clark will be with anyone because Lex adamantly believes Clark is different and that it will always be an obsticle.

As for the Chlark, they were not a couple in the Lexmas dream, just best friends. It just strikes that some want it so bad they'll use anything to create it in their minds.

I didn't think they were a couple, but I sure saw why people would see it. There was one hint, a mild one you can say, but it was there: the arm around Chloe's waist. It was the only sign, but they showed it. This should be enough to have people believe they were together. If the writers didn't want people to believe it, they would not have showed it. But the real point is that they wanted people to do exactly what we are doing here: argue if they were together or not. :\

No-El

12-12-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by liana
I didn't think they were a couple, but I sure saw why people would see it. There was one hint, a mild one you can say, but it was there: the arm around Chloe's waist. It was the only sign, but they showed it. This should be enough to have people believe they were together. If the writers didn't want people to believe it, they would not have showed it. But the real point is that they wanted people to do exactly what we are doing here: argue if they were together or not. :\

Yes I agree with you assessment.

After carefully studying the tape over and over, I came to the conclusion that Clark's gesturing"arm around Chloe's waist" was intended to be seen of them as a couple for that particular scene!

The Ultimate Conclusion is that anything "SAID, DONE, THOUGHT and PUT INTO ACTION" by the actors in Smallville, at the writer's intent and filmed is for the purpose of conveying such intentions by their characters.

All about Clark

12-13-2005, 12:41 PM

Clark did this same motion with his mom in Arrival after he told them his powers were gone. It's just a gentlemanly thing to do. It doesn't mean anything.

See pic on previous post.

No-El

12-13-2005, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
Clark did this same motion with his mom in Arrival after he told them his powers were gone. It's just a gentlemanly thing to do. It doesn't mean anything.

See pic on previous post.

Yes I know 'All about Clark' the pic is my post to illustrate, hopefully alot of people will catch on and post pics as well.

But I do remember, Annette O'Toole was on crutches her right leg in cast and Clark did put his arm around to help his mom.

Also, for continuity sake in the next episode 'Mortal' when Pa and Ma Kent went back to the house to find Clark, Annette O'Toole limped on that RIGHT LEG mouthing a silenet gesture of "Ouch" as they approached the front porch.

You had to look closely and not blink to see her do that! Talk about real continuity there!:D :cool:

Watching Smallville

12-13-2005, 01:16 PM

I don't think we can figure out what the Chlark in Lex's vision means. As someone above posted, it's cleverly written so that it can justifiably mean whatever the viewer wants it to mean. If you want to see them as a couple, there's evidence to back up that idea. If you don't want to see them as a couple, there's evidence to back up that idea. Apparently the writers have been reading the boards. ;)

No-El

12-13-2005, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I don't think we can figure out what the Chlark in Lex's vision means. As someone above posted, it's cleverly written so that it can justifiably mean whatever the viewer wants it to mean. If you want to see them as a couple, there's evidence to back up that idea. If you don't want to see them as a couple, there's evidence to back up that idea. Apparently the writers have been reading the boards. ;)

Yes hopefully the writers have been and are still reading these boards!

Now if they could just put Chloe and Clark together as a "good solid couple" in the NEAR future, we'd be doin the "HAPPY DANCE"!!:D :D :lol: :p :p :p :p :lol: :D :cool: :cool:

shy175223

12-13-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by No-El
Yes hopefully the writers have been and are still reading these boards!

Now if they could just put Chloe and Clark together as a "good solid couple" in the NEAR future, we'd be doin the "HAPPY DANCE"!!:D :D :lol: :p :p :p :p :lol: :D :cool: :cool:

yeah, and if they just keep Chloe and Clark as 'good, solid friends' in the NEAR future, i'd be doing the 'HAPPY DANCE" as well! :) :D :D :lol:

All about Clark

12-13-2005, 02:51 PM

Even though I'm fine with either way, friends or a couple; I would have to believe that if they (Clark and Chloe) became a couple (say S6) then it would solidify Chloe dying for Lois to be his future wife.

Chloe has a greater change of survival if she stays his friend. On the flip side, I'd rather she die than go mental.

No-El

12-13-2005, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
yeah, and if they just keep Chloe and Clark as 'good, solid friends' in the NEAR future, i'd be doing the 'HAPPY DANCE" as well! :) :D :D :lol:

doin a Lionel Luthor laugh and grin:D :D :lol: :D

Well they can't please all of us:lol: :lol:

Can't help it your response was ENDEARING!

I guess we LOVE to express our passions either way!:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D

Should do another poll but I think we both know much all camps feel about the Chloe and Clark; Lana and Clark dilema that Al and company have imposed on us psychologically-----they must be laughing right now up till even the "Big 100th Episode"!!!

What do you think??

shy175223

12-13-2005, 03:08 PM

I don't like to think that Chloe to die either way. in fact I don't like the idea of Chloe of dying at all. I really rather see her have a happy ending instead of her 'dying' in order for death to solidify for Lois to be Clark's future love. It's going to happen either way. But I hope not that way.

Originally posted by No-El
doin a Lionel Luthor laugh and grin:D :D :lol: :D

Well they can't please all of us:lol: :lol:

Can't help it your response was ENDEARING!

I guess we LOVE to express our passions either way!:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D

Should do another poll but I think we both know much all camps feel about the Chloe and Clark; Lana and Clark dilema that Al and company have imposed on us psychologically-----they must be laughing right now up till even the "Big 100th Episode"!!!

What do you think??

Yeah, i suppose.;) :cool:

No-El

12-13-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
I don't like to think that Chloe to die either way. in fact I don't like the idea of Chloe of dying at all. I really rather see her have a happy ending instead of her 'dying' in order for death to solidify for Lois to be Clark's future love. It's going to happen either way. But I hope not that way.

I like the happy ending myself!

Seeing that Smallville is this "Portion" of the Supman Saga and that it is Al Gough's creation not going precicely by canon; you would you think there may be a chance as described in certain Clark and Chloe fan fics that they MAY be husband and wife in Al Gough's interpretation!

I mean, think about it what better happy ending as some people have written in their fics to have them Wedded!:p :p

To go crazy-----I wouldn't SURVIVE IT as I posted in the Splinter poll I took about Clark going nuts.

margroks

12-14-2005, 07:00 AM

Bond. The word I meant was bond! Hee!

No-El

12-14-2005, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by margroks
Bond. The word I meant was bond! Hee!

:confused: :confused:

007? Lois made a remark like that to Clark after his "One Hand Helicopter Grab" in 'Exposed'!

This is Chlark in Lexmas, who said that? Forget it!:confused:

Crazy4Smallville

12-14-2005, 11:04 AM

I think what get's overlooked was that this was Lex's interpretation of Clark, Chloe, Lana and the Kents. Everything that anyone did in these dream sequences showed what Lex thinks of the relationships.

Lex obviously see's something between Clark and Chloe. It may not be romantic per say, but definately a closeness. As a matter of fact, when Lex had Chloe cornered in the caves, he said that she's closest to Clark than anyone - and knows his secret. So, this closeness is Lex's interpretation.

However, the fact that Clark left Lana to help Chloe - and then was snuggled with Chloe at the part while Lana served the guests tells me more about an increasing relationship with Chloe. It's symbolizes a more 'intimate' relationship with Lana.

Also, when Lana put the ornament on the tree - it also showed that Clark still thinks of Lana as perfect and flawless - and that is one of the main reasons that the relationship they have is on the shallow end. They both are so afraid of being completely honest in fear they won't live up to the other's expectations of perfection, they doom their relationship and a wall goes up and the result is Lana serving while Clark is cozy with Chloe.

I appreciated what Chlark moments we got - even if some of them were in Lex's imagination. There is something there between them or else they wouldn't be in Lex's imagination and Lana wouldn't feel threatened by Clark's relationship with Chloe.

Isn't it ironic that Chloe wants what Lana has - Clark's affections - and Chloe has what Lana wants - his trust and friendship. Hopefully, Lois will have them all.

All about Clark

12-14-2005, 11:11 AM

I never thought that Lana was threatened by Clark's relationship with Chloe. Where do you get this idea?

Clark and Lana need to get past this shallow relationship, otherwise Clark and Chloe will have the better relationship and sooner or later it will don on Clark what he has with her.

No-El

12-14-2005, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Crazy4Smallville
I think what get's overlooked was that this was Lex's interpretation of Clark, Chloe, Lana and the Kents. Everything that anyone did in these dream sequences showed what Lex thinks of the relationships.

Lex obviously see's something between Clark and Chloe. It may not be romantic per say, but definately a closeness. As a matter of fact, when Lex had Chloe cornered in the caves, he said that she's closest to Clark than anyone - and knows his secret. So, this closeness is Lex's interpretation.

However, the fact that Clark left Lana to help Chloe - and then was snuggled with Chloe at the part while Lana served the guests tells me more about an increasing relationship with Chloe. It's symbolizes a more 'intimate' relationship with Lana.

Also, when Lana put the ornament on the tree - it also showed that Clark still thinks of Lana as perfect and flawless - and that is one of the main reasons that the relationship they have is on the shallow end. They both are so afraid of being completely honest in fear they won't live up to the other's expectations of perfection, they doom their relationship and a wall goes up and the result is Lana serving while Clark is cozy with Chloe.

I appreciated what Chlark moments we got - even if some of them were in Lex's imagination. There is something there between them or else they wouldn't be in Lex's imagination and Lana wouldn't feel threatened by Clark's relationship with Chloe.

Isn't it ironic that Chloe wants what Lana has - Clark's affections - and Chloe has what Lana wants - his trust and friendship. Hopefully, Lois will have them all.

Love your observations and assessment of this "STILL ONGOING PERDICATMENT" maybe on the MATURE level but still the elements are their in Clark's Chloe's and Lana's psyche!

As the dialog between them suggests in Season 3 at the Talon and other past episodes:

Lana: Clark has always been more comfortable confiding in you Chloe.

Chloe: That's because he's not "in love" with me Lana.

Lana: He loves you Chloe!

Chloe: Yes, but he "loves you more" Lana!

Ooooh the "Angst of those Days" oh the pain....the pain!!!

I think 'Old Juan' echoed your thoughts exactly as I agree with you both, when he posted:

ONE IS THE KEEPER OF HIS HEART, THE OTHER THE KEEPER OF HIS SECRET!

Maybe if Jor-El can fix CHLARK to satisfy BOTH:

THE GUARDIAN OF HIS KRYPTONIAN HEART???

margroks

12-14-2005, 12:06 PM

SmallvilleMan

12-14-2005, 01:41 PM

Clark and Lana are doomed to have this shallow relationship. Clark's childish crush is based soley on superficiality, of which Lana is the queen, always wanting to be in control and never willing to accept him for his true nature. Chloe, however, has the depth of character and the accepting nature Lana will never have. Clark knows Lana wouldn't accept him which makes him look even more ridiculous in chasing after her. THere's definitely room in Clark's heart for loving Chloe if he ever comes to his senses and sees Lana for what she really is.

Actually Clark doesn't know she won't accept him. Lana does have accepting nature, as PROVEN many times before. There is also nothing shallow about clana, nothing shallow about truly loving someone.

Also, when Lana put the ornament on the tree - it also showed that Clark still thinks of Lana as perfect and flawless - and that is one of the main reasons that the relationship they have is on the shallow end. They both are so afraid of being completely honest in fear they won't live up to the other's expectations of perfection, they doom their relationship and a wall goes up and the result is Lana serving while Clark is cozy with Chloe.

So you're going to tell me that when someone loves another person. They don't see that person as perfect, TO THEM. Not to mention Clark has looked extremely cozy with Lana in his arms, at ease.

No-el, what was the last part of the dialogue? Because it certainly wasn't something from the show. Lana never said Clark loved chloe.

ONE IS THE KEEPER OF HIS HEART, THE OTHER THE KEEPER OF HIS SECRET!

And i'll take the heart over the secret, any day of the week. As i'm sure chloe would too. You can't change the way your heart works, but you can change the way you trust.

Watching Smallville

12-14-2005, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
You can't change the way your heart works, but you can change the way you trust.

So true, so true. You don't pick the people you love by using your brain. You don't pick them by using reason or logic or deciding what makes sense. You don't pick them at all. Your heart picks them for you. Clark can't control the way he feels about Lana. Lana has said that herself -- in fact she said it to Chloe as kind of an apology.

Vampire Lana Fan Club

12-14-2005, 02:17 PM

I just wanted to say, excellent post with lots of excellent debates going on in here.

I personally don't think that Chloe and Clark were a couple in Lex's mind. They were definately close but they always have been. Personally I think Clarks a moron. He's been obssessed with a girl who for the most part didn't feel the same way about him. (some can debate the fact that she's STILL not into him as much as he is into her but I won't do it in this post) The best thing he could do for his peace of mind is just stop the maddness and date Chloe. Lana just has more baggage than a samsonite warehouse.

shy175223

12-14-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Vampire Lana Fan Club
The best thing he could do for his peace of mind is just stop the maddness and date Chloe. Lana just has more baggage than a samsonite warehouse.

No, the best thing he can do is be honest with Lana from the start and dating your best friend for who you no romantic feelings for is not the answer.

SmallvilleMan

12-14-2005, 03:04 PM

I personally don't think that Chloe and Clark were a couple in Lex's mind. They were definately close but they always have been. Personally I think Clarks a moron. He's been obssessed with a girl who for the most part didn't feel the same way about him. (some can debate the fact that she's STILL not into him as much as he is into her but I won't do it in this post) The best thing he could do for his peace of mind is just stop the maddness and date Chloe. Lana just has more baggage than a samsonite warehouse.

Who doesn't feel the same way about him? You can make an argument Lana loves Clark more than Clark loves her.

No-El

12-14-2005, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by shy175223
No, the best thing he can do is be honest with Lana from the start and dating your best friend for who you no romantic feelings for is not the answer.

Yeah I have seen it all to often!

I agree it is best but Clark is ruled by his fears of what would happen in light of Jor-El's warning and he won't say anything to Lana that he believes will jepordize her longevity!

As far as dating your best friend you have no ROMANCE for well shy175223 I'll say this----

If you don'tFEEL IT, DON'T FAKE IT!!

But, I know how you FEEL about CHLARK, though there is ALWAYS the possibilities as infered in Lexmas!:p :p :p :p

All about Clark

12-14-2005, 04:43 PM

Both Clark and Lana don't trust each other enough to be honest with each other. Without trust, love is not complete.

No-El

12-14-2005, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by All about Clark
Both Clark and Lana don't trust each other enough to be honest with each other. Without trust, love is not complete.

Yes!

Beautifully said and posted!!

umm

12-14-2005, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by No-El
Yeah I have seen it all to often!

I agree it is best but Clark is ruled by his fears of what would happen in light of Jor-El's warning and he won't say anything to Lana that he believes will jepordize her longevity!

As far as dating your best friend you have no ROMANCE for well shy175223 I'll say this----

If you don'tFEEL IT, DON'T FAKE IT!!

But, I know how you FEEL about CHLARK, though there is ALWAYS the possibilities as infered in Lexmas!:p :p :p :p

That´s true! Some of the best relationships were based on friendship first and romance second!
As for trust, I agree there as well! Without trust the relationship can´t work! And that goes for any kind of relationship, not just the romantic one! Trust is the base of human interaction! Or at least on of the most important requirements!

photogirl

12-14-2005, 05:47 PM

Chlark is so much stronger than Clana even not romantically, which means that Chlark would be more likely to last than Clana.

SmallvilleMan

12-14-2005, 05:51 PM

Both Clark and Lana don't trust each other enough to be honest with each other. Without trust, love is not complete.

Except honesty doesn't always have to do with trust. Love and trust are two different things. Love doesn't need trust to be complete.

As for trust, I agree there as well! Without trust the relationship can´t work! And that goes for any kind of relationship, not just the romantic one! Trust is the base of human interaction! Or at least on of the most important requirements!

And without love, a relationship is nothing.

shy175223

12-14-2005, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by photogirl
Chlark is so much stronger than Clana even not romantically, which means that Chlark would be more likely to last than Clana.

well,in friendship yes, but not beyond.

SmallvilleMan

12-14-2005, 05:53 PM

Chlark is so much stronger than Clana even not romantically, which means that Chlark would be more likely to last than Clana.

"Love conquers all" Some famous guy said that and i believe it:D Clana=love> Chlark=trust.

No-El

12-14-2005, 06:52 PM

This is precisely what I THINK Al Gough has purposely Created here with CHLARK and CLANA:

Fallacy and Discontinuity with these characters relationships as WE INTERPRET THEM.

Each has Qualities the other lacks-----Trust; Love; Keeper of Secrets; Keeper of Hearts; Fantasy vs. Reality; Acceptance vs. Percieved Rejection!

This Can NOT turn into "Shipper Wars" where the percieved villian is Al Gough! No.

Chlark is what we WANT of the Best that has not happen, until the Clana's Grande Finale!

smallville_fetish

12-14-2005, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
"Love conquers all" Some famous guy said that and i believe it:D Clana=love> Chlark=trust.

Kinda like that quote that goes, "Love comes and goes, but friends will remain"... but when that love comes, screw having friends. :D

Let the shipper war be dismissed, but I guess we'll have to wait and see No-El how this Fallacy/love;trust/fantasy thing will happen exactly.

No-El

12-14-2005, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Kinda like that quote that goes, "Love comes and goes, but friends will remain"... but when that love comes, screw having friends. :D

Let the shipper war be dismissed, but I guess we'll have to wait and see No-El how this Fallacy/love;trust/fantasy thing will happen exactly.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Love the QUOTE!!!:p

Umm yes, TIME WILL TELL, THIS SEASON 5!!

And, Yes, I second the motion----ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DISMISSING THIS "SHIPPER WAR"......SAY "I" all opposed??:mad: :mad: :mad:

The I's have IT!!

And with that, "To all A GOOD NIGHT"!!:o

Kryptonian Snake

12-14-2005, 10:05 PM

People give Clark too much credit as far as his trust of Chloe is concerned. Had Chloe not almost frozen to death at the FoS, Clark wouldn't have exposed his powers and would have had no reason to tell her the truth. Just as in the cases of Pete, Ryan, Kyla, and Alicia, he "trusted" Chloe with his secret because he had no other choice. Before "Arrival", I don't think Clark trusted Chloe any more or less than he trusts/trusted Lana.

papercrow27

12-14-2005, 11:15 PM

i'm gonna go ahead and post this despite not looking through all the posts yet...but did anyone notice that no one referred to chloe by name? lex shouted clark's name, but not chloe. hrmmm...i wonder if this is a smattering hint to chlois?

shy175223

12-15-2005, 06:30 AM

how do you figure?

margroks

12-15-2005, 06:40 AM

Um...and people in Smallville would have been killed, including Lana. Besides, Chloe didn't know she'd be transported like that.

I think Clark has always trusted Chloe more than anyone else. Because he knew she knew a lot about him and kept it to herself. He knew she kept it from Lionel when she could have spilled the beans and had everything she wanted. The way he zipped out of her presence so blatantly, never bothering to be evasive or even having to explain, only waiting 'til she turned her head to leave, knowing it was okay. No subterfuge needed. Clark has known Chloe knew a lot for a long time. They've had many conversations about the subject at the Torch, in the Kent kitchen...

Clark has specifically stated he knows Lana wouldn't accept him, that she isn't as understanding as Chloe. Lana's said she doesn't like people who are different and said she'd be freaked out by aliens. There's no doubt in his mind she's reject him and that was previously evidenced by his great fear.

And no, trust and love do go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. That Clark knows he can't trust Lana, can't be honest with her should be his clue that it's relationship doomed from the start. Again, Clark has had romantic feelings for Chloe in the past and is definitely physically attracted to her, two points supported by canon; it could certainly happen again.

That Clark knows Lana wouldn't understand due to things she's said is telling. He knew Chloe would understand even though it terrified him to finally explain.

Lex knows, too, as does Lionel, that Chloe and Clark are very close and that Chloe does know more about Clark than she's willing to divulge. Reason enough to see them together. Lex has, if nothing else, an intuitive streak and an ability to read people well and he knows Chloe is in on whatever it is that's up with Clark. He can see it and it fueled his view of them together in the future as well as giving him an excuse to justify being with Lana in his dream.

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

12-15-2005, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by papercrow27
i'm gonna go ahead and post this despite not looking through all the posts yet...but did anyone notice that no one referred to chloe by name? lex shouted clark's name, but not chloe. hrmmm...i wonder if this is a smattering hint to chlois?

Do you call every person you know by their name all the time? I don't. They know what their name is and it gets repetitive if you call them by their name whenever you see them.

Plus maybe he just wanted Clark's attention. Geesh people will make anything out to be Chlois :rolleyes:

shy175223

12-15-2005, 07:26 AM

Margroks, I want you know that I agree with everything about Chloe and Clark but still that is no reason to see them together just because she just happens to know his secert. As for the that part. well, IF he had trusted her, if he felt he could confide her with this, he would've told at the beginnig. Thanks to Alicia, now he CAN. I think with Chloe isn't a issue with trust but fear same as Lana. When he found out she was understanding about the whole thing, he was bit relieved that she didn't turned away from him right and than there like I knew she would. How Lana would feel if she had found out would be still be debatable. Part me thinks she WOULD be understanding about the whole thing but that she would be in hurt because she would feel that he wouldn't trust her enough to tell her EVERYTHING. I think its just the fact that he doesn't have enough faith in his friends and his girlfriend that he could actually be himself around them. And becauseof this he feels that he HAS be NORMAL in order to be happy.

Vampire Lana Fan Club

12-15-2005, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by shy175223
I think its just the fact that he doesn't have enough faith in his friends and his girlfriend that he could actually be himself around them.

Well his "best friend Lex" did pretty much STALK him for a couple of years so I am willing to forgive him a little bit on that. Plus he does have a good reason for keeping his powers a secret. Just look what's happened when people have suspected him of even being a "meteor freak", Extintion and Mortal being two examples. Imagine if they find out that he's not even human at all. Plus with Lana, if she finds out his secret she could with little effort tie every single bad thing that has happened to her since the first meteor shower to Clark and blame it on him. From her parents death, her various FoTW boyfriends, her being kidnapped or nearly killed in many various ways, possessed by a long dead witch and even becoming a FoTW herself. She could blame all of that on Clark and I think that's why he's really afraid to tell her. The sad part is it gets worse every week. He just needs to cowboy up and tell her. Either that or dump her and "Fake it till you feel it" with Chole to paraphrase someone a couple of pages back.

shy175223

12-15-2005, 07:45 AM

I think it's 'if you don't feel it, DON'T FAKE IT!

margroks

12-15-2005, 07:50 AM

First, regarding Chloe not being called by name? Sure, it could be coincidence. Then again, since it did seem to a lot of people and to me as well because they're well aware of the Chlois theory, to be deliberate. It could mean because she might end up as THE Lois and TPTB want to keep us in suspense. I have always loved Lois and find the theory she might have started out with another name an intriguing possibility and fair game for speculation. The scene in the tree yard was certainly potential new fodder for it amoung other things.

Secondly, not just because of Chloe knowing his secret although, by Clark's own admission, that's something he hopes for in a girlfriend and why his relationship with Lana won't endure. There's just too much evidence and Clark "knowing" she wouldn't accept him and would definitely be angry for me to think she would. Even though he was in no way responsible, Lana could very well blame him for her parent's deaths and the upheaval in her life as a result. Her revulsion at the knowledge that there were aliens in Smallville after the second meteor shower is more evidence and if she found out Clark was one of them? Not pretty and he is, for once, using his intuition as well as known fact and relalizes she'd reject him just as he fears. But he has that with Chloe and Lex, who's more tuned in to his intuition than Clark is at the moment, sees it.

I'm saying Clark and Chloe's obvious closeness and Lex's observation of it was one more thing that his dream self used to justify his dream life with Lana.

shy175223

12-15-2005, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by margroks
Secondly, not just because of Chloe knowing his secret although, by Clark's own admission, that's something he hopes for in a girlfriend and why his relationship with Lana won't endure. There's just too much evidence and Clark "knowing" she wouldn't accept him and would definitely be angry for me to think she would. Even though he was in no way responsible, Lana could very well blame him for her parent's deaths and the upheaval in her life as a result. Her revulsion at the knowledge that there were aliens in Smallville after the second meteor shower is more evidence and if she found out Clark was one of them? Not pretty and he is, for once, using his intuition as well as known fact and relalizes she'd reject him just as he fears. But he has that with Chloe and Lex, who's more tuned in to his intuition than Clark is at the moment, sees it.

I'm saying Clark and Chloe's obvious closeness and Lex's observation of it was one more thing that his dream self used to justify his dream life with Lana.

But as Chloe has said 'its still wouldn't be fair to Lana' Even she knows that no matter what he has to be honest with her and have faith in them and believe in them.

margroks

12-15-2005, 08:36 AM

Chloe always gives good advice. That Clark still fears telling Lana says loud and clear their relationship isn't the real thing.

No one says fake it at all. It could very well be the real thing given time to resurface and grow since Clark and Chloe had a budding relatinship at one time, cut short due to Chloe's fear and Clark's obliviousness. There is no reason to think Clark and Chloe's close friendship couldn't grow into something more and nothing to make the scene at the Christmas tree lot clearly not a romantic relationship just because they're not romantically involved now.

No-El

12-15-2005, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by shy175223
But as Chloe has said 'its still wouldn't be fair to Lana' Even she knows that no matter what he has to be honest with her and have faith in them and believe in them.

You know shy175223, Chloe appears to be the ONLY level headed sensible one in the Chlark relationship when dealing with Lana and Clark!

But, "what are friends for" right??:confused: :p

smallville_fetish

12-15-2005, 10:55 AM

What happened to the "I"!?

No-El

12-15-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
What happened to the "I"!?

doin a Lionel Luthor/John Glover laugh and grin:D :D

Apparently, it appears we did not take into account this NEW CROP of POSTERS!!

And from all indications it looks like "Shipper WARS" is BACK ON!!!

Hope Big Al or other mods don't close this thread beacuse of no one is paying attention to CHLARK in Christmas!:( :( :(

Can anyone tell me why Chloe appears so happy in with Clark in Lex's dream??

I mean really, come on. And don't say Chloe is always a happy person around Clark!!

SmallvilleMan

12-15-2005, 11:53 AM

I think Clark has always trusted Chloe more than anyone else. Because he knew she knew a lot about him and kept it to herself. He knew she kept it from Lionel when she could have spilled the beans and had everything she wanted. The way he zipped out of her presence so blatantly, never bothering to be evasive or even having to explain, only waiting 'til she turned her head to leave, knowing it was okay. No subterfuge needed. Clark has known Chloe knew a lot for a long time. They've had many conversations about the subject at the Torch, in the Kent kitchen...

Clark hasn't always trusted chloe imo. Chloe has done things to take away that trust. Don't bring that Chloe and Lionel thing please. She went to him because she was a jealous and selfish person. She gave up clark to get the job at the planet, why? Because he wasn't in love with her. Not to mention she looked into his adoption, how is he going to trust someone who did that? Now as of right now, he trusts her completely, because of the secret, but before that, i doubt it.

Clark has specifically stated he knows Lana wouldn't accept him, that she isn't as understanding as Chloe. Lana's said she doesn't like people who are different and said she'd be freaked out by aliens. There's no doubt in his mind she's reject him and that was previously evidenced by his great fear.

You KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. Clark has NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER said that Lana wouldn't accept him, never! Lana said she would be a LITTLE, A LITTLE, A LITTLE, freaked out. As for clark doubting that in his mind, i disagree completely, because he has said, from his own mouth, that there is a chance she would accept him.

And no, trust and love do go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. That Clark knows he can't trust Lana, can't be honest with her should be his clue that it's relationship doomed from the start. Again, Clark has had romantic feelings for Chloe in the past and is definitely physically attracted to her, two points supported by canon; it could certainly happen again.

Yeah, clark had romatic feelings for chloe for about a week or two and they went away like nothing. No, Clark doesn't know he can't trust Lana and doesn't know he can't be honest her. And you can have love without trust, no makes the rules on that.
I don't understand where this stuff comes from.....

Kryptonian Snake

12-15-2005, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by No-El
doin a Lionel Luthor/John Glover laugh and grin:D :D

Apparently, it appears we did not take into account this NEW CROP of POSTERS!!

And from all indications it looks like "Shipper WARS" is BACK ON!!!

Can anyone tell me why Chloe appears so happy in with Clark in Lex's dream??

Sorry for helping to derail the topic. The bottm line, though, is that Clark's relationship with Chloe was ambiguous in Lex's dream. If you wanted to see them as a couple, you could. If you wanted to see them as friends, you could do that as well.

Why was Chloe so happy with Clark? The entire dream/vision painted an idealized picture (exceptions being Lana's death and Lionel's rejection of Lex) of Lex's life if he were to turn away from his father and LuthorCorp, so it makes sense that everyone was in good spirits. Chloe didn't seem any happier with Clark in the dream than she does in real life. That's why there are multiple interpretations of their relationship in the dream/vision.

Anyway, I think this thread has run its course, and points are just getting repeated over and over.

GhostRider

12-15-2005, 01:10 PM

It's obvious to me that Chloe and Clark were not together in this dream. The interaction between them was no more than we've seen many times before as friends. If the writers wanted to indicate that they were together it would have been incredibly easy to do so; they could have kissed, Clark could have told her he loved her, or any character could have commented on they're being a couple. However there was nothing. If Chloe and Clark were a couple why wouldn't they explicitly show it leaving no doubt? Clark's comment about maybe never being ready implied he was with no one. And Chloe acted like she appreciated Lex more hugging him and whispering in his ear thanking him which makes perfect sense since this was Lex's dream and would focus solely on him.

Personally I would have had them as an explicit couple. It would make sense to Lex who’s known about Chloe's feelings for Clark and that Clark confides in her. Plus it would thrill the Chlark fans.

No-El

12-15-2005, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Sorry for helping to derail the topic. The bottm line, though, is that Clark's relationship with Chloe was ambiguous in Lex's dream. If you wanted to see them as a couple, you could. If you wanted to see them as friends, you could do that as well.

Why was Chloe so happy with Clark? The entire dream/vision painted an idealized picture (exceptions being Lana's death and Lionel's rejection of Lex) of Lex's life if he were to turn away from his father and LuthorCorp, so it makes sense that everyone was in good spirits. Chloe didn't seem any happier with Clark in the dream than she does in real life. That's why there are multiple interpretations of their relationship in the dream/vision.

Anyway, I think this thread has run its course, and points are just getting repeated over and over.

Yes I see ;)

I agree with you on your assessement on our perceptions of CHLARK-----logical, logical indeed!

The thread has run its course and it may disappear into the "Back Pages of this forum's servers with the rest.

If it does-----IT WAS FUN!!:lol: :lol:

Christine C

12-16-2005, 06:26 PM

Lex 's fantasy had Clark admitting he didn't know if he'd ever be ready to commit to anyone. This is totally unlike Clark's character. Not only did he not want to marry Lana, Lex had him being okay with just having no commited relationships like he wasn't capable of it. Lex was making himself the good guy here. The thing was, there definitely was a indication of Clark and Chole as a couple at the beginning of the dream, the wrters did that on purpose. Lex did see them together, but wouldn't allow it romantically because he wanted to be better than Clark, have more than Clark, because in reality its the other way around. I think if Lex and Lana were to really get togther like in the dream, the more logical thing to happen would be Chole and Clark eventually becoming a couple. Their already close, and share Carks deepest secret.

Old Juan

12-16-2005, 11:47 PM

Lex 's fantasy had Clark admitting he didn't know if he'd ever be ready to commit to anyone.

The context of the conversation where Clark mentions not knowing if he'd ever be ready was on the subject of marriage and children, which is precisely what he wasn't willing to give to Lana. Not being sure if he'll ever be ready for marriage and children doesn't mean Clark can't be in a romantic relationship with someone..or Chloe per Lex's dream.

shy175223

12-17-2005, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Christine C
I think if Lex and Lana were to really get togther like in the dream, the more logical thing to happen would be Chole and Clark eventually becoming a couple. Their already close, and share Carks deepest secret.

Or If Lana and Lex do get together, the more logical thing to happnen would be that they would each find somebody else. And yes, they are close and share Clark secert to a default. They are best friends always have been, always will be.

Danelle

12-17-2005, 03:10 PM

I think I interpreted this episode wrong. Everyone's saying Lex's dream is all part of his imagination or whatever, but lol, I actually believed it! I mean, I really think that THIS would be the future if Lex had dropped out of the race. I didn't think of it as just a dream.

So, that being said, I saw Chloe and Clark as a couple. I'm not a Chlarker, that's just how I saw it. But I think the writers left it ambiguous, for whatever reason.

But anyway, I believe that if Lex would have made the "right choices," this is how the rest of their lives would have played out: Lex would have married Lana, Lana would have kicked the bucket, and Chloe and Clark would be together.
But obviously, Lex is too power-hungry, so the future will be much different: Lana will never love him, Chloe MAY die, Lois will become the ace reporter she was born to be (probably due to digging up Lex's dirt), and Clark will fall in love with her and become Superman (did anyone else notice that seven years into the future, Clark was NOT Superman? :() But yeah, very interesting!

No-El

12-17-2005, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Danelle
I think I interpreted this episode wrong. Everyone's saying Lex's dream is all part of his imagination or whatever, but lol, I actually believed it! I mean, I really think that THIS would be the future if Lex had dropped out of the race. I didn't think of it as just a dream.

So, that being said, I saw Chloe and Clark as a couple. I'm not a Chlarker, that's just how I saw it. But I think the writers left it ambiguous, for whatever reason.

But anyway, I believe that if Lex would have made the "right choices," this is how the rest of their lives would have played out: Lex would have married Lana, Lana would have kicked the bucket, and Chloe and Clark would be together.
But obviously, Lex is too power-hungry, so the future will be much different: Lana will never love him, Chloe MAY die, Lois will become the ace reporter she was born to be (probably due to digging up Lex's dirt), and Clark will fall in love with her and become Superman (did anyone else notice that seven years into the future, Clark was NOT Superman? :() But yeah, very interesting!

Yes that's a good honest and candid assessment from an objective perspective.

However, the reason why Clark is not Superman in Lex's Dream Future is simply that Lex in the Present Day does not know of Clark's Kryptonian nature and of his super abilities.

Anything else other than that is played out in Lex's subconscious.

ZoZo

12-18-2005, 06:23 AM

Chlark is the sexiest thing alive

wickedgirl23

12-18-2005, 10:17 AM

Agreed :D ^

But on what you were saying Danelle, I interprited the episode the say way, I thought it was an alternate reallity.

Also, Clark could have been superman, there is no way for us to know, but I don't think he would sit back and allow crime to occur in Metropolis, so he might not be Superman but just a nameless hero.

I thought they were together too. Their attidude towards each other gave me that impression.

Also I thought that it was intersting that even though Lex did not turn evil, Clark was still a reporter. This shows that his destiny is not completely linked with Lex's.

Watching Smallville

12-18-2005, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by ZoZo
Chlark is the sexiest thing alive.
Just wanted to give a nod to that statement. :cool:

Lexmas is one of those shows where everyone can enjoy the episode and see in it what they want to see. It's interesting hearing all the different interpretations and beliefs. Someone else posted that it's one of the things the writers do on purpose, to allow for multiple visions and interpretations and ways to enjoy the series.

No-El

12-18-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Just wanted to give a nod to that statement. :cool:

Lexmas is one of those shows where everyone can enjoy the episode and see in it what they want to see. It's interesting hearing all the different interpretations and beliefs. Someone else posted that it's one of the things the writers do on purpose, to allow for multiple visions and interpretations and ways to enjoy the series.

Yes, that's correct----I made similar observation.

Not to repeat that statement, the writers do this, as Tom Welling had suggested in an interview.:)

But, one wishes that what is viewed can be clear cut and intended without interpretation!

Watching Smallville

12-18-2005, 04:00 PM

Well, I have to confess, I misread the statement as "Clark is the sexiest thing alive." :lol: I have no shipper preferences, but I hope everyone gets to see their ship at some point.

No-El

12-18-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Well, I have to confess, I misread the statement as "Clark is the sexiest thing alive." :lol: I have no shipper preferences, but I hope everyone gets to see their ship at some point.

Here's how I see the "as SHIPS PASS IN THE NIGHT" thing according to Al Gough?

PAST----CLANA

PRESENT----CHLARK

FUTURE----CLOIS

Some people debate around this obvious premise!

margroks

12-19-2005, 07:11 AM

Yes, he has. When Chloe told him he should tell Lana and let her make up her mind, Clark specifically said Lana wouldn't be as accepting as Chloe was. And since he hasn't told Lana then he obviously has seen nothing to negate that opinion. Lana has indeed said and behaved in ways that show how unaccepting she would be. Clark knows this. Clark had a terrifying dream about this in Scared.

And remember after the events of Hidden when Lana came to LEx and showed him Clark's medical records, not a smart move and certainly an ethically questionable move, she insisted Clark wasjust a normal guy. Lex, insightful once again, told her coming back from the dead was certainly beyond normal and called her on the truth: she had to insist CLark was normal in order to stay in a relationship with him. Because Lex can see Lana hates different and wouldn't accept him either if she realized how different he is.

Again, as to the adoption papers: what is really so awful here? I mean she looked at the paper, talked to Clark alone about where he was adopted and the oddity of it, never even thinking he didn't know the details. She certainly never showed it to Lex. As per her promise, she did no further research.

Clark has long since forgiven her for these very minor things and has told her waht a good friend she is. Many episodes last season and this have been done with this emphasis in mind and were specifically tailored to show that Chloe is the most trustworthy of friends. Blank screamed it out. It's canon and cannot be denied.

As for Clark's attraction to Chloe? It's also canon that he once felt that way and there's no reason it couldn't happen in the future. Even Lex can see it apparently.

GhostRider

12-19-2005, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by margroks
Yes, he has. When Chloe told him he should tell Lana and let her make up her mind, Clark specifically said Lana wouldn't be as accepting as Chloe was. And since he hasn't told Lana then he obviously has seen nothing to negate that opinion. Lana has indeed said and behaved in ways that show how unaccepting she would be. Clark knows this. Clark had a terrifying dream about this in Scared.

No he didn’t. You’re using a typical Lana hater tactic, changing dialog. What he actually said was that he couldn’t expect Lana to react like Chloe did. When Chloe pointed out that she deserved the choice Clark said he couldn’t risk it. You’re saying that Clark *knows* Lana will react badly which is untrue. Clark thinks she *might* react badly and so he’s too scared to risk it. Here’s a news flash for you, he thinks that about *everyone*. Clark has never told anyone the truth on his own volition. He told Pete only after he found the spaceship and was ending their friendship. He told Chloe after she told him she knew about his powers and Clark found her in the FOS. Even Swann had to blackmail it out of him. If Clark knew that Lana would react badly he would have never decided to tell her in Forsaken.

And remember after the events of Hidden when Lana came to LEx and showed him Clark's medical records, not a smart move and certainly an ethically questionable move, she insisted Clark wasjust a normal guy. Lex, insightful once again, told her coming back from the dead was certainly beyond normal and called her on the truth: she had to insist CLark was normal in order to stay in a relationship with him. Because Lex can see Lana hates different and wouldn't accept him either if she realized how different he is.

Showing Lex Clark’s medical records was actually a smart thing to do. We know they showed Clark being normal and it was an attempt to get Lex to stop looking at Clark. This was after the events in Mortal where Lex was testing Clark. Everything Lex said was solely to mess with her mind. He knows Clark is lying to her again and he’s using that to his advantage. It has nothing to do with knowing that Lana would reject him.

Again, as to the adoption papers: what is really so awful here? I mean she looked at the paper, talked to Clark alone about where he was adopted and the oddity of it, never even thinking he didn't know the details. She certainly never showed it to Lex. As per her promise, she did no further research.

Chloe made an honest mistake the first time she looked into his adoption. She thought Clark already knew all about it and was just making up for him avoiding her. Clark brought that on himself and was being hypocritical since he was snooping into Lex’s past at the same time. However she should have dropped it after that but she didn’t. She didn’t delete the info but instead posted it on the net causing a woman to claim that Clark was her son. That was plainly wrong.

Clark has long since forgiven her for these very minor things and has told her waht a good friend she is. Many episodes last season and this have been done with this emphasis in mind and were specifically tailored to show that Chloe is the most trustworthy of friends. Blank screamed it out. It's canon and cannot be denied.

I don’t doubt that Clark has forgiven Chloe nor that he thinks she’s a good friend. But to say that they’re showing that Chloe is the most trustworthy of his friends is ridiculous. Pete was trustworthy, he never told. Lois is trustworthy. And so is Lana. What you don’t get is that Lana doesn’t know the secret and so can’t support Clark like Chloe is now. For some reason you are unable to compliment Chloe without bashing Lana.

As for Clark's attraction to Chloe? It's also canon that he once felt that way and there's no reason it couldn't happen in the future. Even Lex can see it apparently.

Clark was attracted to Chloe but I don't see anything in this dream to indicate they were a couple. If the writers wanted the audience to know they were together they could have easily done so. They did not and Chlark was portrayed no differently as it has been, friends. Maybe Chlark will happen in the future but given all the indications I've seen, I doubt it.

Watching Smallville

12-19-2005, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by GhostRider
No he didn’t. You’re using a typical Lana hater tactic, changing dialog. What he actually said was that he couldn’t expect Lana to react like Chloe did. When Chloe pointed out that she deserved the choice Clark said he couldn’t risk it. You’re saying that Clark *knows* Lana will react badly which is untrue. Clark thinks she *might* react badly and so he’s too scared to risk it. Here’s a news flash for you, he thinks that about *everyone*. Clark has never told anyone the truth on his own volition. He told Pete only after he found the spaceship and was ending their friendship. He told Chloe after she told him she knew about his powers and Clark found her in the FOS. Even Swann had to blackmail it out of him. If Clark knew that Lana would react badly he would have never decided to tell her in Forsaken.
Actually, the best evidence that Clark fears Lana's reaction is not in anything Lana has said or done, but in Clark's dream in Scare. That's where we really know how he feels. And that's what's driving his actions. He also says to Chloe "I can't expect her to react the way you did." This is a reflection of how he feels.

It isn't a criticism of Lana to point this out, Ghostrider. I'm a Lana defender, although I choose to see her flaws as well as her good points. It has been shown to us in several ways that Clark fears her reaction. And that's what matters in terms of the way Clark behaves -- how Clark feels about the secret.

As for the Chlark in Lexmas, you choose to see it one way, other people choose to see it another way. What's wrong with that?:)

GhostRider

12-19-2005, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Actually, the best evidence that Clark fears Lana's reaction is not in anything Lana has said or done, but in Clark's dream in Scare. That's where we really know how he feels. And that's what's driving his actions. He also says to Chloe "I can't expect her to react the way you did." This is a reflection of how he feels.

That is isn’t the point, you haven’t read what I said. I’m not saying that Clark doesn’t fear Lana rejecting him, I plainly said that he does. However some are saying that Clark *knows* that Lana will reject him. He doesn’t know that for sure which is why he sees it as a risk and not a certainty. Chloe pointed out that Lana deserved the choice and Martha pointed out that Lana might be OK with it last season. Clark has a lot of evidence showing that Lana would be OK with him; she was OK with Byron, she told him she was OK with him being a meteor freak, and she said she would try to keep an open mind about an alien.

It isn't a criticism of Lana to point this out, Ghostrider. I'm a Lana defender, although I choose to see her flaws as well as her good points. It has been shown to us in several ways that Clark fears her reaction. And that's what matters in terms of the way Clark behaves -- how Clark feels about the secret.

Who’s talking about Lana, this is a criticism of Clark. He’s letting his own fears prevent him from telling Lana the truth which she obviously deserves. He promised her no more secrets did he not? He been intimate with her has he not? Her life has been drasitically changed because of Krypton has it not? I’ve pointed out many of Lana’s flaws in the past but this isn’t a flaw of Lana’s, it’s a flaw of Clark’s. Clark’s a coward in this regard.

As for the Chlark in Lexmas, you choose to see it one way, other people choose to see it another way. What's wrong with that?:)

OK, answer this: why do we have to see it different ways? Why didn’t the writers just have them kiss, or have Clark say he loved Chloe, or done anything that would obviously show that they were a couple? The answer is because they weren’t together. It would be fine with me if they had been but people seem to be grasping at straws (like Clark slightly putting his arm around her as they’re walking away) to say that they were.

Watching Smallville

12-19-2005, 10:15 AM

It isn't always possible, or necessary, to convince people to see what you see -- no matter how much you think they should -- if they see something else. That's just life. Life is diverse.

And if I misunderstood you, I didn't mean to offend.

GhostRider

12-19-2005, 10:36 AM

People can believe whatever they want but some make statements that aren’t backed up by facts. When challenged, instead of putting up a rebuttal they hide behind the claim of difference of opinion. The purpose of these forums is discussion and debate of SV with others, if you post a position here than you should be able to defend it.

I say that Clark and Chloe weren’t together. What facts support my position? For one they acted like good friends just like they always do, no difference. They hang out all the time. They were getting *her* tree, not *their* tree. No one commented on them being together. They never kissed. Neither said anything that would indicate that they were together nor did anyone else. Secondly Clark said he wasn’t ready to give Lana what she wanted and that he may never be. That implies that he’s alone because he’s unable to do what’s needed to be in a relationship, i.e. be honest. And third, if they were supposed to be together the writers would have made it obvious giving us full out Chlark. Why would they not? This is the third time I’ve asked this and no one answers. When you consider all the evidence the conclusion has to be that they weren’t a couple. If you want to believe that they were together you can ignore all of that and just choose to believe, fine with me.

Watching Smallville

12-19-2005, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by GhostRider
People can believe whatever they want but some make statements that aren’t backed up by facts. When challenged, instead of putting up a rebuttal they hide behind the claim of difference of opinion. The purpose of these forums is discussion and debate of SV with others, if you post a position here than you should be able to defend it.

There have been plenty of examples in this thread of why people see it differently. I personally don't want to repeat what I and others have already said. Those posts are here, and available to read.

It's a difference of perspective. It's not wrong. I won't change my mind about how I saw it, and the reasons are stated in what I've posted earlier, and in what others have posted.

That's it. I'm done. :)

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

12-19-2005, 11:22 AM

Yeah everyone sees it different, but Ghostrider is right there was enough evidence in the episode that supported that Chloe and Clark WERE NOT a couple.

I mean someone who's involved with another person wouldn't tell their best friend that they haven't found the right person yet(like Clark did Lex).

GhostRider

12-19-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
There have been plenty of examples in this thread of why people see it differently. I personally don't want to repeat what I and others have already said. Those posts are here, and available to read.

I've read this entire thread, there haven't been plenty of examples as you claim. There has been one, that they were tree shopping and when Clark and Chloe walked alway Clark put his arm around her shoulders. I helped a female friend of mine pick up her Christmas tree before because it was to big for her to carry. And I've put my arm around girls who I'm not dating before. Hell, I've done that with guys. Neither of these are clear indications that they are a couple.

It's a difference of perspective. It's not wrong. I won't change my mind about how I saw it, and the reasons are stated in what I've posted earlier, and in what others have posted.

That's it. I'm done. :)

I'm asking YOU to back up YOUR perspective but you refuse. You also refuse to answer my question about why the writers wouldn't explicitly show it. They sure explicitly showed that Lexa and Lana were together. Granted there was no refutable evidence that they weren't together but given that Clark and Chloe together would be a pretty significant change common sense says that they would have to give unrefutable evidence that they were together and that their relationship had changed from what we know it to be.

If you just want to post your opions and not discuss them just say so. I won't challenge or debate you no matter what you claim.

Watching Smallville

12-19-2005, 11:42 AM

I'm saying go back and read my posts. And other posts. Granted , they're a few pages back, but unlike a lot of people on this board, I don't like to write what I've said over and over again. And I'm okay with people disagreeing w/ me.

GhostRider

12-19-2005, 12:04 PM

I've already told you I've read this thread. This is all you've said regarding to why you think they're together:

"Old Juan, I was going to post that I was more convinced that Clark and Chloe were a couple in Lex's dream because of the casual, teasing, and offhand way they dealt with eath other. Very realistic of a real couple. You beat me to it."

How exactly was the way they dealt with each other here any different that what we've been seeing all this year? They've teased each other before. Chloe's even dressing Clark and taking his picture in this very episode not to mention their dialog at the end during the real Christmas party. It's how they always interact. So you seem to be saying that you beleive they are together in the dream because they act just like they in reality where they're not together. I don't understand.

Watching Smallville

12-19-2005, 06:07 PM

Okay, fair enough. Let me put it this way: I've had boyfriends, I've had maile friends. The way Clark was deailng with Chloe, with lines like, "okay, miss I've-just-published-my-book," and "let's get your tree," and just the general manner, may seem innocuous, but it seemed more like couple stuff than friends stuff. It's just the feeling I got from my own experiences. That they were casual w/ each other. Comfortable. People can see it a different way, but my experience influences my perspective.

And I never heard Clark say he wasn't ready for commitment. I don't remember him saying the word "commitment." I heard him say, Lex was willing to give something he wasn't. I didn't know whether this meant truth, security, commitment, whatever. It seemed to be left up to the audience.

What I see between Clark and Chloe on a regular basis is not like a couple, to me. I see Clark keeping his distance, which he didn't seem to be doing in Lex's dream. Lately, Clark hasn't been as distant, so maybe their relationship is changing. But it still isn't like a couple, from my point of view. But in the dream, I definitely got that vibe.

If you got a different vibe, that's based on your experiences. And that's valid.

SmallvilleMan

12-19-2005, 11:31 PM

I don't you think you can make a valid enough of a judgement based on two lines to call them a couple.

No-El

12-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Okay, fair enough. Let me put it this way: I've had boyfriends, I've had maile friends. The way Clark was deailng with Chloe, with lines like, "okay, miss I've-just-published-my-book," and "let's get your tree," and just the general manner, may seem innocuous, but it seemed more like couple stuff than friends stuff. It's just the feeling I got from my own experiences. That they were casual w/ each other. Comfortable. People can see it a different way, but my experience influences my perspective.

And I never heard Clark say he wasn't ready for commitment. I don't remember him saying the word "commitment." I heard him say, Lex was willing to give something he wasn't. I didn't know whether this meant truth, security, commitment, whatever. It seemed to be left up to the audience.

What I see between Clark and Chloe on a regular basis is not like a couple, to me. I see Clark keeping his distance, which he didn't seem to be doing in Lex's dream. Lately, Clark hasn't been as distant, so maybe their relationship is changing. But it still isn't like a couple, from my point of view. But in the dream, I definitely got that vibe.

If you got a different vibe, that's based on your experiences. And that's valid.

It's been said the first feeling or thought is usually the best and the one intended you go with!!

And my "FIRST" gut FEELING seeing Clark and Chloe together with all the dialog told me they were/are a couple dipicted/portrayed in Lex's dream!

Watching Smallville

12-20-2005, 08:06 PM

You know, to each his own. I think that's what the writers were going for -- see it whatever way seems right to you.

CK&CK

12-20-2005, 10:04 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Watching Smallville
You know, to each his own. I think that's what the writers were going for -- see it whatever way seems right to you.

Watching Smallville,

I believe there right in saying it can't be proven, but anyone saying that there's proof that they weren't a couple is dead wrong, or more simply, there's no way they can know for sure. The ambiguity worked both ways in this episode, and I'm pretty sure that TPTB intended it that way. The one thing that hinted at it the most was Clark putting his arm around her as they were walking away from Lex. Although it honestly can't be considered hard evidence ( and I don't claim it to be), it seemed very out of character for Clark.......I mean....have you ever seen him do that with Chloe? If you have this episode taped, pause it and take a good look at it. It might take a while to get it paused just right.....because they cut away from it so fast. I find it odd that a lot of people care to ignore that tid bit.......because even though it's obviously not conclusive, it can make you wonder.

Actually, not seeing much Chlark in Lexmas, kind of bolds well for seeing it in the future......but not after a lot of plot twists that are certain to come before hand. I know there's no guarantee there, and I'm not fooling myself into expecting that it will definitely happen, but I do have a good feeling about it. I just don't think it will be anytime soon, but then again, after one of the spoiler pics that I've just scene......you never know....if it does......it could be sooner than we think.

margroks

12-21-2005, 09:04 AM

Again, Clark did not say he hadn't found the right person yet. I'm not sure why this error continues to be perpetuated but that was NOT the dialogue stated.

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

12-21-2005, 09:24 AM

What did he say then, cause I seem to remember him saying that to Lex on the porch.

Anyone got an ACCURATE transcript of this episode?

Kryptonian Snake

12-21-2005, 10:10 AM

Here's what was said on the porch:

CLARK: And, Lex, you offered her something I didn't.

LEX: What held you back, Clark? I mean, I know you love her. [Clark gives Lex a puzzled look] loved her.

CLARK: I don't know. I guess I just wasn't ready, Lex. Maybe I never will be.

Originally posted by CK&CK The one thing that hinted at it the most was Clark putting his arm around her as they were walking away from Lex. Although it honestly can't be considered hard evidence ( and I don't claim it to be), it seemed very out of character for Clark.......I mean....have you ever seen him do that with Chloe?[/B]

He's done it twice, as far as I can remember. In "Heat", Clark puts his arm around Chloe when they were walking down the hallway on the first day of school. He also put his arm around her in "Gone", when they were leaving the warehouse after rescuing Chloe.

No-El

12-21-2005, 05:36 PM

Also, Chloe was Clark's first kiss, an impressionable one BOTH REMEMBER!

As each recollected on separate occassions.

CK&CK

12-22-2005, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Here's what was said on the porch:

CLARK: And, Lex, you offered her something I didn't.

LEX: What held you back, Clark? I mean, I know you love her. [Clark gives Lex a puzzled look] loved her.

CLARK: I don't know. I guess I just wasn't ready, Lex. Maybe I never will be.

He's done it twice, as far as I can remember. In "Heat", Clark puts his arm around Chloe when they were walking down the hallway on the first day of school. He also put his arm around her in "Gone", when they were leaving the warehouse after rescuing Chloe.

Thanks for putting everyone straight as to what Clark actually said to Lex. To Many people were seeing just bad things because of what Clark said.....when in fact.....all he's saying is that he's not ready.......nothing wrong with that.

Thanks also for mentioning Heat & Gone. I kept wondering if Clark had done it.......in the back of my mind I thought it might have happened somewhere, and that if it had.....it was probably some significant moment. In Heat, if I remember correctly, he hadn't seen her in months......and in Gone.......well......she was back from dead.....I'd say those were pretty significant moments. So that kind of hints towards something significant in "Lexmas" but as I have continued to state.....it's nothing absolutely conclusive. It does bother me though that some people can just dismiss it.

No-El

12-22-2005, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by CK&CK
Thanks for putting everyone straight as to what Clark actually said to Lex. To Many people were seeing just bad things because of what Clark said.....when in fact.....all he's saying is that he's not ready.......nothing wrong with that.

Thanks also for mentioning Heat & Gone. I kept wondering if Clark had done it.......in the back of my mind I thought it might have happened somewhere, and that if it had.....it was probably some significant moment. In Heat, if I remember correctly, he hadn't seen her in months......and in Gone.......well......she was back from dead.....I'd say those were pretty significant moments. So that kind of hints towards something significant in "Lexmas" but as I have continued to state.....it's nothing absolutely conclusive. It does bother me though that some people can just dismiss it.

In all those instances---HEAT, GONE & LEXMAS----of Clark's gesturing hand around Chloe, on thing can said if not overlooked and mentioned:

It is the writer's CONTINUITY of those past episodes, reflected in LEXMAS! They must have discussed this, to retain this small continuity"gesture of care/affection/concern", take your pick, but Clark's hand around Chloe's waist is always evident in those episodes.

And another subtle meaning MAY be applied:

"Clark's ever present love and concern for his Best Friend---Chloe".

margroks

12-22-2005, 10:46 AM

No, there's not. And Clark could be refering to several things, but remember, this is Lex's dream and from his viewpoint he has to justify taking a girl Clark always claimed to love away and still remaining friends with Clark.

No-El

12-22-2005, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by margroks
No, there's not. And Clark could be refering to several things, but remember, this is Lex's dream and from his viewpoint he has to justify taking a girl Clark always claimed to love away and still remaining friends with Clark.

Yes seeing that may be true as this is Lex dream and his intrepretation of his own desires.

Chlark in this episode could not be ignored as the writers intended to portray them----to be there for each other WHEN NEEDED!!

liana

12-26-2005, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by No-El
Yes seeing that may be true as this is Lex dream and his intrepretation of his own desires.

Chlark in this episode could not be ignored as the writers intended to portray them----to be there for each other WHEN NEEDED!!

I agree with it. I see them in a strong relationship. I just got the "best friends" vibe when I saw them. I think that is just wonderful. I guess I said it before and I repeat it here: Isn't it wonderfull that the girl who was his best friend in HighSchool is still his best friends after all those years? How many people are still friends with his old highschool friends? Not many, I'm sure.

No-El

12-26-2005, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by liana
I agree with it. I see them in a strong relationship. I just got the "best friends" vibe when I saw them. I think that is just wonderful. I guess I said it before and I repeat it here: Isn't it wonderfull that the girl who was his best friend in HighSchool is still his best friends after all those years? How many people are still friends with his old highschool friends? Not many, I'm sure.

Yes!! Yes!

BEAUTIFULLY PUT INDEED!! :)

"A FRIEND IN NEED IS A FRIEND INDEED" :D

Raistlin

09-16-2011, 08:28 PM

If someone sais, that they haven´t found the right one yet, than that is an offence to the person they are currently involved with, cos it implies that that person is just a filler, someone to help the not ne alone. I don´t want that for Chloe! She deserves more than that, especially from Clark!
Before the episode took place and due to the spoilers I thought that there would be some serious Chlark going on, kissing under the mistletoe, him telling her how much he loves her and that she is future etc.... But this is a cop-out!
What the fans got, wasn´t Chlark, it was something in between at the most! Maybe Clark is getting there, but they certainly are not involved that way! They are just the best of friends, and maybe a tad more, in some kind of gray zone! And frankly if this the TPTB`s idea of a Chlark, then they don´t know how a couple in love looks like!
What they showed were two friends who feel realy comfortable around each other, enough so, that they can hug, cudle etc.
I mean never have they kissed, not even once!
Now, I am not a particular Chlarker, if I want Chlark to happen it is cos I want Chloe to finaly have a nice boyfriend, and Clark, with all his faults, would be the best boyfriend to have! Good-looking, smart, well most of the times, kind etc...
Anyway, so if I were a die-hard Chlarker like some of other fans are, I would have feelt cheeted and thus a tad bit angry, much like fans of Cordy/Angel were at Joss´constant attempts of giving them those little tidbits of Angel/Cordy ship only to yank it away from them!

Okay, I have to say that Angel Cordy ship sunk before it ever left port. That was a BAD idea from giddy up. Glad it never went anywhere.