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Indiago Child
11-18-2005, 05:39 AM
Hey Guys and Gals,

It will take a week for my friend in the states to mail me the tape of the episode as Ireland havnt even finished showing the last series yet, so can someone please tell me what happened in the episode, the waiting is killing me!

You guys are so lucky we have to wait until Feb next year for the new series to begin, Ireland sucks!!!!

EricN68
11-18-2005, 06:10 AM
a haiku:

"Jor-El made Ma sick,"
says Fine. "So destroy him, Clark!"
Chloe saves the day.

Indiago Child
11-18-2005, 06:19 AM
yeah funny, something a bit more than that please!!!

Lana_Lang #1
11-18-2005, 06:31 AM
This is just what I remember, I don't have time to type it all now, I'll do increments throughout the day.

Scene 1

- Lois drops Ma Kent off at the Kent house, Martha tells Lois how proud she is of Lois growing up into a lovely young woman, Lois leaves.

- There's a light show in the sky followed by Martha being shocked by something and falling down unconscious.

- Clark sees the light in the sky from his loft and when he comes outside to discover what happened, he finds Martha fainted on the driveway. When she wakes up she doesn't remember what happened.

- Opening Credits

Scene 2

- Clark asks Chloe to check the weather history over Smallville from last night, Chloe looks and says there was nothing.

- Clark privately tells Chloe about the deal with Jor-El and his concern that what happened to his mother is Jor-El fault.


Scene 3: Lex and Lois at the Talon

- Lois voices her opinion on how sleazy she thinks it is to film his campaigne at the place where Martha works.

- Lex reminds her he OWNS her Talon. Lois little Lex "A Little Bit Of Friendly Advice". Lex sneers and sarcastic says that the "opinions of the a muffin peddling college dropout mean so much to him.

- Lois is clearly burning with anger, so she goes off to find Chloe to dig up some dirt on him.


Scene 4: Clark and Prof. Fine at CKU

- They talk about Jor-El. Fine is very cryptic, he says he'll tell Clark about his father in due time.

- Clark demands Fine tells him everything about Jor-El, "It's my right to know". Fine tells Clark "Impatience is such an annoying and pathetic human trait" then leaves.


Scene 5: Clark and Jonathan at the hospital

THIS SUMMARY IS TO BE CONTINUED LATER...

fa8362
11-18-2005, 06:49 AM
My summary:

Huge letdown that s*cked in a wide variety of ways.

Clark = complete idiot (it isn't possible for ANYONE to be that stupid...especially a Kryptonian with superior intellect)
Lois = what's she doing there? Having a contract to appear in X number of episodes isn't a good enough excuse.
Fine = joke of a braniac (since when does a miserable, punk professor/Terminator II copy = BRANIAC??????)
Phantom Zone = cheesy $5 special effects

Chloe, Lionel, Lex, Ma and Pa Kent good as usual, but that doesn't make up for the other garbage

Oh, I forgot one. Clark's fight with Braniac had about as much excitement and suspense as a wet noodle.

Indiago Child
11-18-2005, 07:33 AM
Sounds like ive got myself all hyped up for nothing then doesnt it, pity considering it was meant to be the one of the best episodes to date!!!

fa8362
11-18-2005, 07:35 AM
Despite my criticisms, you might like it anyway. If you see stuff that doesn't make sense or annoys you, try to ignore it.

Watching Smallville
11-18-2005, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by EricN68
a haiku:

"Jor-El made Ma sick,"
says Fine. "So destroy him, Clark!"
Chloe saves the day.

Nice.

MidgardDragon
11-18-2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Indiago Child
Sounds like ive got myself all hyped up for nothing then doesnt it, pity considering it was meant to be the one of the best episodes to date!!!

It was a great episode and plenty of other KryptonSite posters agree. Don't feel let down just because one poster didn't get their expectations met. Other than the horrible teaser trailer for Superman Returns that wasted Smallville's time, it was a great episode.

Brainiac_13
11-18-2005, 10:35 AM
1. Martha Kent is stricken with some random withering disease.

2. She didn't die.

In between, the episode sucked.

I don't even have the energy to explain why.

Here are a few points:

1. Seems to have been written in a vacuum.

2. Entire ep an ad for a ****** car.

3. Ep generally full of crap.

4. Clark's an idiot.

5. Etc.

Watching Smallville
11-18-2005, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Indiago Child
Sounds like ive got myself all hyped up for nothing then doesnt it, pity considering it was meant to be the one of the best episodes to date!!!

It was a good episode. You saw a very skillful manipulation of Clark by Prof Fine, striking at the heart of Clark's inner struggle -- his love for humans, represented most strongly by his connection with his parents, and his fear/distrust of Jor-El. You also had Clark finally begin to see the flaws in his own behavior (it's about time).

Once again, I was amazed by Clark's refusal to learn from past mistakes. He blew up the ship, and all h... broke loose. So this time, he tries to blow up the FOS, and the same thing happnes. I think now he gets the point.

I'm a big fan of Chloe/Lois capers, so that part of the episode was fun. But I think the moments spent on Lex were truly significant. His exchange with Lois in the Talon not only gave some momentum to Lois's journey toward becoming a journalist, but it really crystalized the emerging nasty Lex, who strikes right at the weak spot. And there was a closing scene with Lionel that was striking.

And of course there were very warm and heartfelt scenes between Clark and Martha, Clark and Jonathan, and Clark and Chloe.

The only lacking in this episode, IMHO, was that there was no scene between Lex and Clark, and nowhere to fit in Lana. Granted, there was enough going on so that it wasn't really necessary, but so many scenes struck me as defining in terms of what was going on with Clark and his development, I would have liked the same definition w/ Lex and Lana. But maybe that's precisely why it didn't happen -- these relationships are still mirky in so many ways.

And the car promo was truly wrong. But I just overlooked it.

fa8362
11-18-2005, 10:54 AM
"1. Martha Kent is striken with some random withering disease.

2. She didn't die.

In between, the episode sucked. "

LMAO

MidgardDragon
11-18-2005, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Brainiac_13
1. Martha Kent is striken with some random withering disease.

2. She didn't die.

In between, the episode sucked.

I don't even have the energy to explain why.

Here are a few points:

1. Seems to have been written in a vacuum.

2. Entire ep an ad for a ****** car.

3. Ep generally full of crap.

4. Clark's an idiot.

5. Etc.

Re: Your "points" -

1. Explain. A valid point has to make some sense or at least be easily figured out via context clues. This one doesn't.

2. There were two scenes that were car ads. One when Lois dropped Martha off, and the other where she showed it off to the guard. Both scenes had context within the show itself, and weren't just advertisements in and of themselves. Beside the point, however, is that TPTB are spending lots of money on FX this year, and have to get the money that may not be in their budget from somewhere. If you like Smallville at all, I'd suggest putting up with the product placement so we can see some cool episodes in the future.

3. An opinion without explanation. You thought it sucked, but why? You do not say why, and when you do, it is generally more opinions posing as facts.

4. Clark did what any person would do if they thought they had a chance to save their dying family. That's not being idiotic, it's being emotional and caring, which is both Clark Kent's greatest weakness, and his greatest gift.

5. Err, okay, so, nothing to say here, other than..why not just end it on #4 if you have nothing else to say?

Brainiac_13
11-18-2005, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Watching Smallville
It was a good episode. You saw a very skillful manipulation of Clark by Prof Fine, striking at the heart of Clark's inner struggle -- his love for humans, represented most strongly by his connection with his parents, and his fear/distrust of Jor-El.


None of which makes any damn sense whatsoever. Clark should have been suspicious as hell of Fine based on the SAME criteria as his distrust of Jor El. Moreso, in fact, given the many clues he's missed as to Fine's involvement in and knowledge of things he's got no business being involved in or knowing.



You also had Clark finally begin to see the flaws in his own behavior (it's about time).


I didn't observe this at all. Example?

EDIT: One example I thought of: His moment of clarity when he saw Brainiac for what he really was.



Once again, I was amazed by Clark's refusal to learn from past mistakes. He blew up the ship, and all h... broke loose. So this time, he tries to blow up the FOS, and the same thing happnes. I think now he gets the point.


I seriously doubt it. At this point, I can't see how on Earth they will ever explain how Superman becomes the genius he is in the comics. In SV, comparatively, he's like a superpowered mongoloid. He'd be more believable painted green and running about yelling "smash".



I'm a big fan of Chloe/Lois capers, so that part of the episode was fun.


I especially enjoyed the sudden inability of Chloe to bypass Luthorcorp security. WTF, did she break her laptop recently?

Also: Did you notice Lois' cool new car? WOW! Look at all the features of this Brand New Ford Fusion. Ford Fusion. Ford Fusion. This Is A Ford Fusion. Ford Fusion. Buy A Ford Fusion. Fusion. Look! Ford Fusion! Fusion! BUY FORD FUSION! Ford! Fusion!



But I think the moments spent on Lex were truly significant. His exchange with Lois in the Talon not only gave some momentum to Lois's journey toward becoming a journalist, but it really crystalized the emerging nasty Lex, who strikes right at the weak spot. And there was a closing scene with Lionel that was striking.


Best Line Of Show: "Thanks, Lois. You know, there's nothing more valuable than the savvy political advice of a muffin-peddling college dropout."

AWESOME! STFU, LOIS!

I want a TShirt with that quote on it.

Lois really is a moron. Her grasp of politics is asinine. Of course, this might have to do with the fact that the writers in general are morons. I mean, Lex is running for the state senate. On the scale of national politics, a state senator from Kansas has about as much power as a highschool class president. It's a stupid position that a man like Lex would likely not even bother running for. National senate, sure. State? Why, when he's got money enough to bully the entire state legislature?



And of course there were very warm and heartfelt scenes between Clark and Martha, Clark and Jonathan, and Clark and Chloe.


The only non-SV-cliche was the scene with Clark and Chloe by the fire. Thank the Lord there was no Lana appearance to ruin or diminish it.



The only lacking in this episode, IMHO, was that there was no scene between Lex and Clark, and nowhere to fit in Lana.


Two of the best points of the show. I was glad to have a break from scenes beginning with some person barging through the double-doors and making some stupid remark. I am also so fed up with Lana in general that any break is a good one. I hope she comes back after having fallen into a timewarp in which she spent years developing a personality.



Granted, there was enough going on so that it wasn't really necessary, but so many scenes struck me as defining in terms of what was going on with Clark and his development, I would have liked the same definition w/ Lex and Lana. But maybe that's precisely why it didn't happen -- these relationships are still mirky in so many ways.


Clark and Lana's relationship is ridiculous. They had more depth when they WEREN'T "together". Now that they are, it's like they've shifted into Lana+Boyfriend mode, in which the relationship fails to actually exist as anything but an obstacle to actual storyline.



And the car promo was truly wrong. But I just overlooked it. [/B]

How? It was the beginning, middle and end of the show.

fa8362
11-18-2005, 11:19 AM
"I was glad to have a break from scenes beginning with some person barging through the double-doors and making some stupid remark."

LMAO

FlashFan
11-18-2005, 11:25 AM
It was a great episode simply because Lana wasn't around :)

Brainiac_13
11-18-2005, 11:27 AM
1. Explain. A valid point has to make some sense or at least be easily figured out via context clues. This one doesn't.


"Written in a vacuum." Do you want me to define vacuum, or explain how it effects the show?

Eh. Option B.

Chloe suddenly has no ability to evade security.

Brainiac has no Terminator II powers.

Brainiac gets "stabbed" and this harms him somehow, even though he's effectively a liquid.

Lois has a dead-end low-wage job, yet can afford a car and an apartment.

It's the age-old continuity problem. This ep professes no awareness of facts established in other eps.



2. There were two scenes that were car ads. One when Lois dropped Martha off, and the other where she showed it off to the guard. Both scenes had context within the show itself, and weren't just advertisements in and of themselves. Beside the point, however, is that TPTB are spending lots of money on FX this year, and have to get the money that may not be in their budget from somewhere. If you like Smallville at all, I'd suggest putting up with the product placement so we can see some cool episodes in the future.


Yeah. The WB is poor. It's all they can do to eke by - selling ad-space in-show. That's called "an answer to Tivo" and it's extremely offensive. Just like I don't want pop-ups on my screen, I don't want somebody's product in my show, or at least not BLATANTLY PROMOTED in my show. Product placement is one thing. This was over the top.



3. An opinion without explanation. You thought it sucked, but why? You do not say why, and when you do, it is generally more opinions posing as facts.


I'll likely complete a detailed review at some other time, at which point I'll certainly be exhaustive. ;)



4. Clark did what any person would do if they thought they had a chance to save their dying family. That's not being idiotic, it's being emotional and caring, which is both Clark Kent's greatest weakness, and his greatest gift.


Yes, if I had a chance to save my dying family, I'd act according to a singular unverified suggestion that was in direct contrast to previously demonstrated facts.



5. Err, okay, so, nothing to say here, other than..why not just end it on #4 if you have nothing else to say?

"Etc" implies that there is more to be said, but which isn't presently being said. I chose to indicate this rather than ending my list at 4 items.

fa8362
11-18-2005, 11:36 AM
Braniac 13, you're a sharp guy with high standards. I appreciate it, even if others don't.

BTW, if you can write TV, please apply for a Smallville job...before those idiots do any more damage to the Superman franchise.

sunshine1973
11-18-2005, 11:49 AM
Man! I missed all of this:)

Brainiac_13
11-18-2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by fa8362
Braniac 13, you're a sharp guy with high standards. I appreciate it, even if others don't.

BTW, if you can write TV, please apply for a Smallville job...before those idiots do any more damage to the Superman franchise.

Hehe. Thanks for the generous words.

I'd certainly take any opportunity I saw in that department. I could do no worse than the present staff. ;) Hehe. Strange as it sounds, though: I'd rather write for DC than the WB.

Brainiac_13 "does not play well with others." I would go berserk writing with a committee.

Watching Smallville
11-18-2005, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Brainiac_13
[B]None of which makes any damn sense whatsoever. Clark should have been suspicious as hell of Fine based on the SAME criteria as his distrust of Jor El. Moreso, in fact, given the many clues he's missed as to Fine's involvement in and knowledge of things he's got no business being involved in or knowing...../[b]

Wow, are we watching the same series? :confused: Apparently I'm watching one that I like, and you're watching one you don't. I could answer all this, but there's not much point in trying to convince someone to agree with me about a TV show. You're entitled.