Chloe's days are looking to be numbered

[vyperman7]

As much as I hate to say it, it is really starting to look like Chloe will be the one to die to fufill Jor-El's warning.

There was Chloe herself saying that she would "die" before she would ever betray Clark in Splinter.

But the stuff in tonight's episode really appeared like it was a torch passing of sorts, especially with the final moment with Chloe and Lois in the DP.

Due to the fact that they are really trying to get Lois geared towards journalism, especially with the events in tonight's episode, it really feels like they are making room for Lois to take her place.

I still had hope that Chloe would not be the one, but more and more signs are pointing towards it. Anyone else agree that after tonight's events, that it is looking more and more likely?

[Praxis]

IMHO this episode forshadowed Jonathan much more than Chloe.

[vyperman7]

I can see where you are coming from, especially with how the episode ended. But with Chloe constantly trying to push Lois closer to journalism, and the pass the torch scene they had in the Planet near the end of the episode, it seems like they are laying the groundwork for Lois to take Chloe's place.

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by vyperman7
it seems like they are laying the groundwork for Lois to take Chloe's place.

There's no way ED/"Lois" could EVER replace what AM/Chloe does on the show. And AlMiles have pretty much admitted that too.

They've said that Allison is the ONLY one who can do the expositional dialogue, and in the SFX season 4 summary, they BOTH said how the only reason the episode Blank worked was because of the Chloe/Clark interaction. And for Lucy, Gough said how it was good that Lucy looked like "Lois" but that at that time, people didn't care enough about "Lois" to warrant that story. Which strikes me as odd because, if she's THE Lois Lane, shouldn't people automatically care?

[MsSullivan]

Ryan I totally disagree.

There is no way Lois can take Chloe's place. Chloe is to important to how SV works. Chloe provides exposition, nobody does exposition like Allison...AlMiles own words.

Plus, given some of the spoilers...I think Chloe is here to stay.

It would be foolish to get kill off Chloe, what would Clark do without her...how many times has she saved his kryptonian a$$? too many to count :D

[Small2]

I got the same vibe as vyperman7, but my take was Chloe would die, but not till the very end of SV.

[vyperman7]

I don't want Chloe to be the one that is killed. It just came off that way in the episode. First they have Chloe say she would die before she would betray Clark, and now they are really trying to push Lois more into journalism. I just got that vibe from the scene near the end that had Chloe trying to convince Lois she was getting into journalism.

I don't want anyone to think I want Chloe to be the one, or that she is replaceable. Chloe is my favorite female character on the show. I was just saying the feeling I got from the episode.

[MsSullivan]

Dont worry Ryan. I know you like Chloe. I'm just pointing out that Chloe is irreplacable. If you look back at episodes like Blank/arrival/aqua...you see that Lois has been removed from expositional situations or even investigation scenes. Chloe took her place as the one investigating in Blank. AlMiles have said in commentary that nobody can do exposition like Allison.

The Chloe pushing Lois into journalism scene meant nothing to me because again Lois said no to the idea. They are telling us Lois may get into journalism, but they are not showing us. With Chloe we know she is a journalist because they show us. Nothing in Lois gives me the vibe that she will be a greater reporter than her younger cousin who is already at the DP and climbing up the ladder rather quickly (change of desks with each episode).

A lot of people expect Chloe to be one of the deaths, they are playing on this belief. But I remember reading that we should expect the death to be someone we don't expect. Furthermore, the spoilers give a good indication that Chloe will live and continue to play the partner/confidante role to Clark.

[vyperman7]

Well I hope that you are right Sandra. :)

[FlashFan]

I think Chloe is safe. If nothing else, she's a writing tool to utilize the DP for future stories.

I think Jonathon is death #1. He's the fairly obvious choice so far. Definitely Clark loves, etc..

The second death is the shocker death. The char that is untouchable. The char that will make the masses yell in unison "OMG, WTF!!?!?!"

Second death is ....

Lana.

[Kreukie]

Originally posted by FlashFan

Second death is ....

Lana.

Kristin isn't that lucky.

TPTB would never give up Kristin, she has too huge of a following.

[fa8362]

I don't think Lana can be killed. I don't think DC would allow it.

[umm]

Originally posted by Praxis
IMHO this episode forshadowed Jonathan much more than Chloe.

Exactly! It could go either way, so untill they actually show the people who die, I will not get my hopes up or become hopeless! Chloe and Jonathan could bouth die, or it could be a third party and one of those two, or it could be other two characters on teh show! Lionel and Lois, Martha and Lois or I don´t know! I mean nothing and nobody is sure, not even Lana and Lex! Let´s face it the producer have never been exact sticklers for the canon, so if they want, they can kill everybody except Clark!

[FlashFan]

Originally posted by fa8362
I don't think Lana can be killed. I don't think DC would allow it.
I didn't think they would Clark to have sex, marry someone other than Lois, and have Lois live with the Kents.

Seems they have a great deal of leeway...and it would be a shocker

[<<S>>]

If I had to pick one person I would papa kent, and than chloe. That would seem like the most logical, but I was thinking I think after watching this episode they mean get rid of Chloe that way and have johnathan kent die of a heart attack like in the movie.

Right now, in my opinion, Chloe is Lois's alter ambitious ego, that is relentless in getting the story. Chloe has direction in her life and a sense of direction while Lois is basically what lex said, a muffin pusher, college drop out. Right now she basically hangs out with people younger than her, and has no real friends of her own, no direction or anything in her life. But after watching this episode and the ending, it seemed like Lois kinda was interested in investigating reporting. If people remember in "Aquaman" she said she likes and is attracted to guys that like to save the world attitude. In yesterdays episode, you can tell she has that save the world attitude, which she so loves in others, as well. She wanted Lex not to succeed because no guy should win something in life just because they have a fat checkbook. So this leads me to my point, that I think the death of Chloe transforms and directly impacts the character of Lois, because I think Lois will take over Chloe's work and basically do her job in uncovering the truth, to keep chloe's legacy alive, and in the future she will do a darn good job, and grow to love it. Basically everyone has been thinking who Chloe's character seems more like Lois Lanes, and I think the death of Chloe merges the ambition and drive and transforms Lois character into what we all know.

Plus I believe they wont kill Mr. Kent in that way. I think it will be like the batman movie, where Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered and before he could get revenge, someone else takes that away and kills him. He than has to help others, but also is denied of that revenge, hence transforming Wayne's character into someone serving the good and being a hero. Same with Clark, I think the thing that will get J. K. will be something as simple as it was his time and he gets a massive heart attack. In the end, it was time and not even clark can play god and save him.

[Dudewheresmycar]

Originally posted by <<S>>
I think it will be like the batman movie, where Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered and before he could get revenge, someone else takes that away and kills him. He than has to help others, but also is denied of that revenge, hence transforming Wayne's character into someone serving the good and being a hero.

You've gotta be talking about "Batman Begins" cuz he killed the Joker in the original Batman movie, and the Joker was the one who had killed his parents when he was young.. I haven't seen "Begins" yet, simply cuz I've been too lazy. I do want to see it eventually.

[SmallvilleMan]

Yeah, there's no way the show can survive without chloe.....:rotfl:

[fa8362]

"cuz he killed the Joker in the original Batman movie"

That wasn't the original Batman movie. There was definitely one made in the 60s (based on the TV show) and another made in the 40s or 50s if I recall correctly.

[creolemommie]

I thought about it being Lana earlier today too... because it would be SUCH a big shock. Let's also remember that just because someone dies on Smallville or in Smallville they don't always stay dead.... And TPTB never said the dead person would STAY dead... what if... nevermind, I'll post that in speculations. Besides, even if your favorite character dies you still have them on the previous seasons on DVD! :)

[umm]

Can you guys imagine the writers and the TPTB reading the posts on these threads? What would they do?

[Aloof]

I don't know, but they are certainly reading Lexana fan fictions! :eek: :D

[umm]

Originally posted by Aloof
I don't know, but they are certainly reading Lexana fan fictions! :eek: :D

:lol:

[Aloof]

I swear! I read a Lexana fanfic that Lana was pregnant and had a 4 year old child. Scary! But pretty cool at the same time. :D

[<<S>>]

You've gotta be talking about "Batman Begins" cuz he killed the Joker in the original Batman movie, and the Joker was the one who had killed his parents when he was young.. I haven't seen "Begins" yet, simply cuz I've been too lazy. I do want to see it eventually.

Yeah thats not the real way how it happens, and yeah Begins i am talking about. I thought it was the joker too, but i was wrong, because if he gets his revenge there is no more batman, but since he cant get his revenge, he is a like a dark hero, because no matter how many ppl he saves he is denied the revenge he was about to take.

[umm]

Originally posted by Aloof
I swear! I read a Lexana fanfic that Lana was pregnant and had a 4 year old child. Scary! But pretty cool at the same time. :D

Well it kind of makes sense! I mean if you think about it, they have to write new stories all the time, so they are bound to run out of inspiration sometime! So they check out the nearest fanfiction site on the internet, click under Lexana and boom, instant next weeks episode comes to mind! :lol: :rotfl:

[Ms.Lane]

Chloe might die (I hope not), but I agree with those who say it is not have Lois take her place. And although I have no doubt that this Lois is the REAL Lois Lane and not "Lois," she's definitely not the Lois of the future that Clark falls in love with. There's no way she could take Chloe's place, she's not ready. First off, we've already been told that Lois and Clark aren't going to be close. If that wasn't enough (it is), there's the fact that Chloe is a much more mature character than Lois right now. She has matured as so much since the Pilot and honestly, Lois hasn't gone through enough to be as mature as Chloe right now. Maybe something happens this season and she'll be able to start moving toward who she'll become. Maybe it'll be this innocent thing of wanting to "get back at" Lex for being mean (yet honest) to her. :p

I'm getting the hints that the original poster has mentioned, as if the writers are trying to tell us that Chloe is going to be the one to die. But I think it would be EXTREMELY foolish. Chloe is so important right now and no one could fill that void. They'd be better off killing Lana and I'm not just saying that because I don't like Lana. I know it won't happen though. I have to say I hope its Jonathan. He's my least favorite character on the show and I could do without his holier-than-thou speeches.

[Dudewheresmycar]

Yeah I forgot about the TV series movie that was made (that's the one with the penguin submarine right?) but I had no idea there were others - course the 50's and 60s...way before I was born.

[tejdog1]

LOL, especially given your avatar, I can understand your last sentence. I agree, Jonathan does seem full of himself sometimes.

[fa8362]

Originally posted by Dudewheresmycar
Yeah I forgot about the TV series movie that was made (that's the one with the penguin submarine right?) but I had no idea there were others - course the 50's and 60s...way before I was born.

Me too, but I googled it once and recall an earlier one. I think it was one of those serial things they used to show in theatres.

[Chloe fan1988]

I bet that they'll do loads of foreshadowing between now and the 100th ep justed to get people riled up. I'm pretty sure now after seeing Solitude that it won't be Martha who dies, they wouldn't kill her off twice.

[Hendo]

it will be Jonathan... in the comics neither Jonathan or Lex become a Senator. There is nobody else opposing them so they can't both lose. Jonathan will die before the election and then Lex will withdraw either out of remorse, guilt, "respect" for Clark, or so Clark doens't think that Lex was involved in killing him just to win the election.

SV gets a lot of freedom in regards to what they can and can't do but certain things DC will just never sign off on and I think either of them becoming a Senator is one of the things they wouldn't permit.

[smallville_girlie]

Ryan stop speaking of such horrible things :(

Chloe can't die, I need my Chlark :)

[No-El]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Ryan stop speaking of such horrible things :(

Chloe can't die, I need my Chlark :)


Don't worry a glimmer of hope to the rescue!!:) :) :) :D :D :D :cool: :cool:

Read and read again, the first paragraph which you may already be familiar with!!:) :) :) :)



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[smallville_fetish]

Well Chloe will have to go somehow eventually. Death seems to solve everything in Smallville.

[No-El]

Really, why would the writers throw her line in at the fireside chat with Clark sipping that hot cocoa saying as she pets Shelby the dog:

".....next time I go up north, remind me to wear a parka!..."

these to me are just subtle hints she will stay!!

[Chloe fan1988]

Hmm not many people think outside of the box here. Why must the show follow the comics? Why can't it be it's own entity? Just saying that it will be Chloe who dies because she isn't in the comics, or that it's Johnathon because he died in the movie isn't a good enough argument. At least in my opinion.

[umm]

Originally posted by Chloe fan1988
Hmm not many people think outside of the box here. Why must the show follow the comics? Why can't it be it's own entity? Just saying that it will be Chloe who dies because she isn't in the comics, or that it's Johnathon because he died in the movie isn't a good enough argument. At least in my opinion.

Agree! TPTB may decide to go against the canon and leave Chloe and Jonathan alone!
Or if they remove Chloe, it could happen at the end of season 5 or even later, not having her killed off, but instead having ger go to New York, or some other major city! I mean deap in her heart, Chloe is a citygirl, one for whom not even Metropolis is big enough!
As for Jonathan, well we all age and die, it´s a natural course of things, so he will die at some point! Martha and Lionel likewise! So that leaves Lex, Lois, Braniac and Lana!
Braniac we know will bite the bullet sooner or later, Lex is too important to be killed of, at least during Clark´s Smallville years and the nearest future thereafter!
That leaves Lois and Lana! Given the fact that Lana, God only knows why, is one of the big three, my bet is on Lois!
I mean the girl has no purpose! Chloe inbodies all qualities we know and cherish in the Lois of the future we all know and love, thus making this current Lois dead weight!

[wallyK]

Chloe has a pretty solid role in the show. Now that she works at the DP, she is going to find out about things that require Clark's weekly heroics. While Lois will eventually work at the DP as a reporter, that certainly does not have to happen during this series. They do some foreshadowing of Lois someday getting into journalism, but axing Chloe and having Lois join the DP would be coming too close to the classic Clark Kent / Lois Lane pairing.

I think the Clark/Chloe scenes always work great. He shares his feelings with her, she tries to give him advice and support. This makes it easier to get rid of one of Clark's parents, who sort of do the same thing as Chloe.

[secondballer1221]

mr kent is def. going to be killed comics? hello he def dies plus the foreshadowing in the last episode he has to die plus lana won't and they won't kill chole becasue she is too damn cool in this season

[Lord Rae]

I think they are trying to scare everyone... This episode had possible forshadowing of the deaths of Martha and Johnathan Kent (one or the other obviously and not both), Chloe... plus even some towards Lionel...

So who knows who will buy it... tptb and thats all. :P

Hopefully it won't be Chloe...

[MyOwnSuperhero]

V-man, I'm afraid I both disagree and also hope that you're wrong. There have indeed been points in the past few eps that appear to forshadow Chloe's death, (angel wings in exposed, comment at the end of splinter, scenes in solitude) but they also just had Martha on her death bed. They're going to jerk us all around as much as they can before actually killing someone, and I think that this is just such a move. Here's why -

-She's signed for a full season, unlike other characters actors (John Glover, John Schneider, etc.)
- She is currently the show's only link to the Daily Planet. Not only is she essential for the storyline, she justifies the existence of the DP set, which costs money. They won't just throw that away, espescially considering the fact that Clark and Lois will eventually hang out there more as well. They won't scrap the set anytime soon, but they need a reason to show it. Chloe is the reason.
- Neither Lois or Clark have got their journalistic focus really down yet. Clark has a long standing assosciation with it, but he's focused more on school right now. Lois has thus far only brushed it, and last night was the closest she's come to her journalistic career. She's still just a 'muffin peddling college drop out'. Without Chloe helping them progress, neither one will get there.
- My money is on Jonathan and Lionel. I've been saying so since mid season 3.

[Goobs]

Sorry Ryan.

I definetely disagree here. I think it was more foreshadowing when it came to Johnathan.

Especially with the whole Clark trying to cope with the idea of losing his parents.

This epi forced clark to tell his parents about jor-el and the deal.

I think we can all just speculate and speculate until we're blue in the face talking about which character is more important to this or that storyline and what things were foreshadowing or were not redherrings but we just have to wait and see.

Everyone will just have to wait.

All i have to say is that, If its Chloe Ill accept it and never watch this god forsaken show again. If not im sure i will be eternally sad about the loss but nothing could compare to axing Chloe.

_Goobs


Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Ryan stop speaking of such horrible things :(

Chloe can't die, I need my Chlark :)

:lol:

here here!

[Kryptonian Snake]

I think Mr. Kent is more likely to bite the dust. He already has a bad heart and they foreshadowed his death at the end of this episode. But, it would also make more sense than Chloe considering Jor-El made a comment in "Hidden" about hoping Clark eventually calls him father. If Clark's earthly father is gone, he may have more of a reason to develop a relationship with Jor-El and look to him for fatherly guidance. Also, Mr. Kent's death would eliminate his influence in Clark's perception of Jor-El and his Kryptonian heritage (J. Kent's always warned Clark about trusting Jor-El and even warned against trusting Dr. Fine/Braniac in this episode.).

[SmallvilleFan-FL]

I have to say that if they "did" kill off Chloe, which would be a STELLAR mistake IMHO, then I'd be hard pressed to continue watching. The show itself is awesome but I'd sooner lose Lana and a mess of others than see Chloe die.

IMHO... Clark / Lex / Chloe MAKE Smallville the show it is.

[Deana]

I still fill it's going to be Chloe more so than Johnathan. He did live in one incarnation of Superman; L&C.

Did anyone else notice how when Jor-el told Clark he had no intention of touching his mother and that it was someone else, it went right to a Chloe scene? I found that rather foreshadowing.

Her death also could be a grand reason for Pete to return. The guy that Lana marries. Write out one main character and bring back another.

I'd miss Chloe, but Clark/Superman is the reason I watch so, I'd move on.

[Scorpio31]

I was just thinking why in the heck would Jor-El take Chloe's life? I mean if he is still in Lionel, then that would mean that he knows she's useful to Clark. Look at the this episode, he probably knew that Clark would believe Fine, and destroy the FOS, so he probably knew that Chloe would save him once again( why else would he give her information on Fine, doesn't make sense if he thought she could do nothing about it). So this really wouldn't make sense to kill her. Plus didn't he say only one person that he loved would die, because I know he never said two people he loved would die, NOW DID HE? It seems to me that people are picking two people Clark loves who will die (fact is he only said one person he loves will die), so if PA Kent dies there is no need for Chloe to die.

[Deana]

Well i think it can go either way.

Chloe and Lionel or Johnathan and Lionel...either way we lose good characters...

[KristinIsAwesome]

It wont be Chloe, Im pretty sure it will be Jonathon and I guess Lionel, but Im like 90% sure it wont be Chloe.

[Clark Kent 86]

I think Chloe will die but probably not in the 100th ep. but at the end of the series.

MY PICKS:
Lionel
Johnathon
Chloe

[Morbo]

Did anyone notice that Clark huged Martha just like in the movie (same camera angle too). But in the movie that scene is after JK is dead.

[mallory]

Originally posted by Dudewheresmycar
You've gotta be talking about "Batman Begins" cuz he killed the Joker in the original Batman movie, and the Joker was the one who had killed his parents when he was young.. I haven't seen "Begins" yet, simply cuz I've been too lazy. I do want to see it eventually.

For most of Batman's history, the Joker never killed Wayne's parents. It was only after the first Tim Burton movie that the Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents in comics. Until then a guy named Joe Chill did the deed. I also don't think Batman kills the Joker in any comics: the Joker never dies, except maybe in the Miller story, the Dark Knight Returns. I haven't seen Batman for over a decade, so maybe that has changed since then.

[captaincharisma]

Here is my reason for believing Chloe's days are numbered. The Daily Planet has been used many times already, first time was special, 2nd time was loving it, but 3rd, 4th, 5th time and yea it's starting to get old. It's great and all but for me the Daily Planet should be looked at as the pinnacle of Clark and Lois's career. What they are doing now is treating it as their second home. How comes Chloe can just let her mates waltz in and out of the building like that? But anyway, as I was saying, for me the Daily Planet is losing it's lustre but also isn't there an issue of cost? They have used shots of the DP many times over this season, surely they can't do it all the way through as it would cost money to do so? I don't know on that for sure, i'm just guessing that showing the DP at every opportunity is costing the show money. If so then either Chloe loses her internship at The Daily Planet or she dies.

[Ms.Lane]

Originally posted by Scorpio31
I was just thinking why in the heck would Jor-El take Chloe's life? I mean if he is still in Lionel, then that would mean that he knows she's useful to Clark. Look at the this episode, he probably knew that Clark would believe Fine, and destroy the FOS, so he probably knew that Chloe would save him once again( why else would he give her information on Fine, doesn't make sense if he thought she could do nothing about it). So this really wouldn't make sense to kill her. Plus didn't he say only one person that he loved would die, because I know he never said two people he loved would die, NOW DID HE? It seems to me that people are picking two people Clark loves who will die (fact is he only said one person he loves will die), so if PA Kent dies there is no need for Chloe to die.
I'm just wondering, is it Jor-El that's actually going to kill whoever this mystery person is? If it is, then I absolutely agree that it won't be Chloe based on the assumption that he is still in Lionel or at least knows what's going on in Clark's life to a point (Chloe knows the secret and has been helping Clark). It makes even more sense that it would be Jonathan because of the biological-adoptive father "rivalry" of sorts. Jor-El never liked Jonathan--and vice versa, now is his chance to get rid of him. I never thought Jor-El was like that, but if he is indeed the one who is going to kill whoever it is that dies, then I guess there's no question about that.

[No-El]

Originally posted by Ms.Lane
I'm just wondering, is it Jor-El that's actually going to kill whoever this mystery person is? If it is, then I absolutely agree that it won't be Chloe based on the assumption that he is still in Lionel or at least knows what's going on in Clark's life to a point (Chloe knows the secret and has been helping Clark). It makes even more sense that it would be Jonathan because of the biological-adoptive father "rivalry" of sorts. Jor-El never liked Jonathan--and vice versa, now is his chance to get rid of him. I never thought Jor-El was like that, but if he is indeed the one who is going to kill whoever it is that dies, then I guess there's no question about that.


Seeing this is a re-telling of this segement of Superman's Life in Smallville by Al Gough and company----the father rivalry premise is a good one!;)

Also, I'm pretty sure Chloe is safe seeing their were suble hints/clues dropped in Solitude eps. I'm no way worried! :) :)

*Lionel's appearance to Chloe bringing her flowers at the DP telling her....."you have done well for yourself....you're in the big leagues now, soon you'll be upstairs(pointing with finger) sitting below those Tiffany Lamps, but I guess a big story would help you get there".

*The fireplace scene with Clark:...."the NEXT to time I head up North, I have to remember to bring a Parka!" (as she pets Shelby)

The writers would not deliberately put such WORDING in the character's scripts if they were going to REALLY kill someone----even considering the her line of "I'll die before I betray you!" which was a one time dialog line for that eps.

[son2380]

I thought Lionel giving Chloe hints about Fine was Jor-el setting her up to be killed by Braniac, or Lex. In previous eps Lionel told chloe that if she continued to meddle in his family affair that he would kill her. Also I am sure once lex discover Chloe was the last person to see the ship he gonna start asking her questions.

Jor-el is setting Chloe up to be killed by Lex.

Why does everyone think that Jor-el hates PA kent. Jor-el was the one that sent Clark to Jonathan Kent in the first place. Because he knew that Jonathan would raise Clark with good strong values that Jonathan father had when Jor-el came to earth. Jor-el rebelled against his father and his Kryptonian heritage just like Clark is doing

[Stephen Robinson]

Please keep in mind that for almost 20 years Jonathan Kent never died. Granted, he's dead in the upcoming movie, which might have some infuence, but it's not a set-in-stone canon concept.

That said, I think there's a big difference between Smallville's Jonathan Kent and the Jonathan Kent of the comics, and I think this version is one who has to die. Martha made the comment in Solitude about Clark "being a man." However, I don't see Jonathan realizing this. He's still pretty much barking orders at Clark. And I'm hard pressed to see this change. I can see Smallville's Jonathan Kent insisting that Superman "bring in that loon in Gotham" or "keep things in line in the Justice League." Martha is much more like her counterpart in the comics -- she's Superman's "heart" but not his boss.

However, Chloe is still a problem. I love the character but she's everything Lois Lane becomes -- with a little bit of Jimmy Olsen thrown in. We know that Chloe is not destined to be a star reporter for the Daily Planet. We know that Chloe isn't the adult Superman's confidante or Mrs. Clark Kent. Either something tragic happens to her or something occurs that makes her give up those aspirations.

A few seasons ago, I assumed it would be something as simple as her either giving up journalism as a result of her actions in Truth (more concerned about stories than about people's lives) or her just being a star reporter elsewhere (I'm sure the New York Times exists in the Smallville Universe). But what about her relationship with Clark? Could they really grow apart so much?

I like the character of Chloe (and her wonderful portrayer) so I'd rather something happen that at least leaves an imprint on who Clark will be -- even if it's death. Otherwise, her cousin gets her job and her man, which is kind of sad.

[No-El]

Originally posted by Stephen Robinson
Please keep in mind that for almost 20 years Jonathan Kent never died. Granted, he's dead in the upcoming movie, which might have some infuence, but it's not a set-in-stone canon concept.

That said, I think there's a big difference between Smallville's Jonathan Kent and the Jonathan Kent of the comics, and I think this version is one who has to die. Martha made the comment in Solitude about Clark "being a man." However, I don't see Jonathan realizing this. He's still pretty much barking orders at Clark. And I'm hard pressed to see this change. I can see Smallville's Jonathan Kent insisting that Superman "bring in that loon in Gotham" or "keep things in line in the Justice League." Martha is much more like her counterpart in the comics -- she's Superman's "heart" but not his boss.

However, Chloe is still a problem. I love the character but she's everything Lois Lane becomes -- with a little bit of Jimmy Olsen thrown in. We know that Chloe is not destined to be a star reporter for the Daily Planet. We know that Chloe isn't the adult Superman's confidante or Mrs. Clark Kent. Either something tragic happens to her or something occurs that makes her give up those aspirations.

A few seasons ago, I assumed it would be something as simple as her either giving up journalism as a result of her actions in Truth (more concerned about stories than about people's lives) or her just being a star reporter elsewhere (I'm sure the New York Times exists in the Smallville Universe). But what about her relationship with Clark? Could they really grow apart so much?

I like the character of Chloe (and her wonderful portrayer) so I'd rather something happen that at least leaves an imprint on who Clark will be -- even if it's death. Otherwise, her cousin gets her job and her man, which is kind of sad.


Interesting speculation on Chloe but I think she will have story/arc all her own with Lois and the rest of the traditional character in play in the future.:) :)

[MyOwnSuperhero]

Originally posted by captaincharisma
But anyway, as I was saying, for me the Daily Planet is losing it's lustre but also isn't there an issue of cost? They have used shots of the DP many times over this season, surely they can't do it all the way through as it would cost money to do so? I don't know on that for sure, i'm just guessing that showing the DP at every opportunity is costing the show money. If so then either Chloe loses her internship at The Daily Planet or she dies.

Actually, the Daily Planet is a permanent set, built on a soundstage for regular use in the show, just as the Torch was. They build it and keep it. The money for that set is already spent, meaning that their showing it more often is a smart use of funds. Given the fact that both Clark and Lois end up there, it's a set that they won't get rid of only to rebuild it later. THAT would cost them money, and would be an expense that wouldn't make any sense.

BTW, have you ever spent any time at a newspaper's offices? Fairly informal, people come and go a lot.


Originally posted by Stephen Robinson
However, Chloe is still a problem. I love the character but she's everything Lois Lane becomes -- with a little bit of Jimmy Olsen thrown in. We know that Chloe is not destined to be a star reporter for the Daily Planet. We know that Chloe isn't the adult Superman's confidante or Mrs. Clark Kent. Either something tragic happens to her or something occurs that makes her give up those aspirations. Actually, those things aren't set in stone. The only reason that she's not in the comics is because she was created and introduced by Smallville (Making her a new character, which explains her absence prior to the series). DC comics has actually purchased the rights to her character, meaning that she could be introduced to the DCU at any time. They haven't yet, because her back story is being written as the show progresses. For example, it was only a few weeks ago that she and Clark discussed his secret. That's a huge major point in the character's history that no one knew about yet, because it hadn't happened yet. DC won't use Chloe until her story is set, probably after the series ends. Regardless, it's safe to say that we DON'T know that Chloe won't be around later. We have no idea.

[Praxis]

Jor-El should be very grateful to Chloe. She saved Clark; she saved Jor-El himself (a few seconds later Zod would have been released, and thereafter the FOS would have been destroyed along with the Jor-El AI); she stopped Zod, Jor-El's enemy; and basicly saved the entire Earth.


He should do something in gratitude, like, I don't know, give her Kryptonian powers like Kara or something. Or at the very least, uh, NOT kill her. ;)

[captaincharisma]

Originally posted by MyOwnSuperhero
Actually, the Daily Planet is a permanent set, built on a soundstage for regular use in the show, just as the Torch was. They build it and keep it. The money for that set is already spent, meaning that their showing it more often is a smart use of funds. Given the fact that both Clark and Lois end up there, it's a set that they won't get rid of only to rebuild it later. THAT would cost them money, and would be an expense that wouldn't make any sense.

BTW, have you ever spent any time at a newspaper's offices? Fairly informal, people come and go a lot.



Oh ok, I was not sure of the answers for that re Daily Planet so thanks for clarifying. As for your question, nope I've never spent time in a newspaper office. I came to my conclusion as it's an office environment and all the places i've worked, people just don't waltz in and out of offices like Clark and Lois. But if you are telling me newspaper offices are informal, then thats cool.

[Christine C]

Lois when she was introduced was looking into Chole's death/ disappearence. She seemed more like a reporter initially. Then they decide to make her directionless. Why I don't know, mabey just to mess with everyone who still thinks Chole could be the real Lois Lane. If the writers are going to kill Chole to motivate Lois again I'm not buying it, not to mention just being annoyed. Chole is the Lois Lane in Smallville and she deserves more than being killed off so the unlikeable cousin Lois can just take her place. I think alot of fans would be angry. I think they should of made L.L. more like her Character to begin with, and Chole following in her footsteps, not to mention never having Lois Lane living with the Kents, but then, that another discussion.

[son2380]

he should kill her, the first non parent Clark tells his secret to is Lana Lang, Not Chloe, then he dumps her butt and moves to Metropolis. Chloe is just a fusion of Lois and Lana, I still don't understand why she is there.

This is real old and I don't know if anyone mentioned this before, because i wasn't apart of the group then. But remeber back during the sex episode in season 4. when chloe told Lana she lost her virginity to An Olsen. To me they ruined the story cause if Chloe lost her virginity to Jimmy Olsen. The writers need to be shot Cause Jimmy should be like a 2 yr old child right now. I always wondered what Olsen did she lose her virginity to.

Once again the Chloe character is ruining the story. I love Chloe but she needs to go, and let the other character complete their destinies. IF they were gonna keep the Chloe character they shouldn't have ever brought Lois to smalleville They have to many Contradictions

she doesn't necessarly have to die but she needs to get the heck out of Clarks life, Maybe she should move to Gothem and Change her name to Vicky Vale and start dating Bruce Wayne or somthing. Or move to New York, either way she needs to leave Clark and Lois and Lana alone.

[mallory]

She said it was a guy named Jimmy, but she didn't say Olsen. You are guessing on that part.

As for Lana being first after Clark's parents, already too late. Pete has known Clark's secret for years. That follows some comics continuities.

Let everyone go to their destinies? What destinies are those? The comics constantly change. The movies change. And Smallville has its own take on many things, that is different from all the others.

I doubt they kill off Chloe -- they would face a not-so-small revolution among lots of fans, and lose too much of their audience. Think Jonathon will get the honors.

[son2380]

I thought she said it was a guy named Olsen but didn't give a first name. I have to go back and look.

For the last point screw the fans and get on with the story lol. Im not watching smalleville for Chloe I watching it for Clark Kent AKA Superman. Smalleville isn't about Chloe Sullivan and her journey to take Lois lanes Place as the Daily Planets Number 1 report, and her trusty side kick Clark Kent.

its about a young Clark Kent and his journey to becoming the worlds greatest super hero. Thats why I hate when fans try to dictate the outcome of a story for their own selfish desires it ruins the story.

Would u rather see the writers put chloe out of her misery, or send her somewhere else like they did Pete or would you like to see Chloe lose her dream job and the man she loves to her muffin peddling slacker of a cousin Louis. To me that sad, just like someone earlier stated there are certain things in the story that cannot be changed. Even if they decide to keep Chloe alive or in the story Lois still get her job and her man, and that is sad

[LovelyLoisLane]

Originally posted by Small2
I got the same vibe as vyperman7, but my take was Chloe would die, but not till the very end of SV.

This is what I'm thinking too. I don't think she's the one to earn angel wings in the infamous 100'th episode in February BUT I do think that she will be gone before the show's final episode.

Alot of Chloe fans (and even more so Chloe=Lois thoery supporters) don't want it to be true but if they looked at it from the perspective of an open mind they'd be seeing the same Death March hints that we get. (The out of body like voice over, the donning of the angel wings, Chloe's verbal emphasis on 'dying' etc.) I could be wrong but then again . . . I don't want her too bite the dust either. A sidelong glance at my avatar should clue you into why ;) That doesn't mean, however, that I'm oblivious to the all but blatant moments of funeral foreshadow.

For me I was completely conviced Chloe was going to be pushing up daises when they said that this season was going to be a great Chloe season, given that Al or Miles (can't remember which) openly admitted in an earlier interview that Chloe will always get the short end of the stick. (Those probably weren't his words, so if someone knows where that interview is you can post it verbatim, but that was the meaning. That Chloe, being a nice girl, will always finish last.)

To me it brought to mind a prisoner on death row getting a lavish meal before he's taken to the electric chair.

I think all three canon big three (Lex, Lois, Clark) will have a death close to them for dramatic effect before the shows end. It would make more sense since for Clark the person whose death would most effect him would be Jonathan's, the father that always wanted Clark to be a better man; likewise in the case of Lionel, the great man that towered over Lex all his life, and for Lois that cousin she loves more than life itself and she wants to see succeed.

For Clark it will be Jonathan.

For Lex it will be Lionel.

For Lois it will be Chloe.


Originally posted by mallory
I doubt they kill off Chloe -- they would face a not-so-small revolution among lots of fans, and lose too much of their audience. Think Jonathon will get the honors.

Everybody says that about a character they like (Hell, I've said that about Lex before), but it's not the truth, since the amount of new viewers they bring in every year and the ones left over that stayed from previous the more than keep their quota. If not the show will get cancelled and they still won't care. They will just move on.

Even then who in the hell is going to go to Vancouver just to stand outside, probably in the winter during hiatus season, with snot running out of your nose holding up a picket sign while the cold seeps through your gloves and gives you frost bite and your water Dasani has grown tastless and your mouth feels like a cotton ball and your arms and legs feel like they are going to fall off and your throat aches from all the yelling, over a TV show that only a smattering of people will remember with any clarity twenty years from now? Not many people and the individuals they would be targetting with their wrath really don't give a crap about fans of a show that will be off the air by the time ANYONE even noticed there was a rally and they have moved onto to their next pet project. No television exec loses sleep worrying that distressed fans are going to throw a cherry bomb into his/her office window and interrupt his or her enjoyment of the good chinese they bought for lunch. When they say they do anything for their fans it's only to please the PR and make more money, it certainly isn't because they give an iota about their viewers feelings. If TV Execs wore Happy Bunny T -shirts it would be this one "No I don't care about your feelings, there are therapists for that."

And think about it, no matter how much you hate this show, you are still watching it aren't you? I wish I had a penny for everytime someone (self included) threatened to stop watching only to keep at it. I'd be richer than Lex :P


Originally posted by Ms.Lane
I'm just wondering, is it Jor-El that's actually going to kill whoever this mystery person is?

I really don't think so. Despite the fact that FINALLY this season they have been gearing Jor-El as benign more than malignant, it just did not sound that way.

He said it was the natural balance of things. Meaning he took another life force to replace the one Clark lost when he died after he lost his powers and was made mortal. In that vein the person of whom that life force was taken has to die within a given period or the world is doomed to chaos because it is unbalanced. If you believe in fate, or even if you don't but think the show is using it on a fictional basis, then the person whose life was traded had to be someone whose life-thread was connected to Clark's . . in other words, someone close to him.

So I saw it as more of playing roulette with Mother Nature and seeing where the number fell, with the shows writers (who have the God perspective of knowing who it is that is going die) throwing us little hints that are either true, or put there to throw everyone off guard so it will be a surprise.

I just wanted to add that a lot of you posting here seem to think that if Chloe dies it has to be for a trade with Clark's life, which either saves or dooms depending on your stance. I don't think that's accurate. I believe, personally, that Jonathan is the one who was traded for Clark and when/if Chloe dies it will be more in connection with Lois than Clark and won't have anything to do with Clark's second chance at life. It will probably be near the end of the show, would be my guess, and by then even IF the producers were THAT worried about fan loss (which is HIGHLY doubtful) it wouldn't make much difference because the show would be ending anyway.

[Scorpio31]

To son2380: don't you know the show's other title is "Chloe Sullivan: Intrepid Reporter" get use to it. Let’s do a little check list shall we of the people she has taken on the role of:
1) Pete best friend to Clark.check
2) Lana (comic) in love with him from afar.check
3) Lois intrepid reporter.check
4) Parents Clark confides in her more then his parents now.check
5) She is now the heroine saving Clark all the time. check
She wouldn’t have taken on all these role if it wasn't for all the fans, she most likely would have been dead by now. With all these roles it's hard not to make the show about her.

[SteveS]

Someone from another board posted the concept that only Chloe is an orignal creation of AlMiles, all the rest are a re-hash from DC. (I am talking about the main characters) Into Chloe they have infused the best characteristics of many. Thinking along those lines, it really doesn't make sense to destroy the best product of your art. You would dispose of something (someone) else who is worthless.

[Scorpio31]

ITA!!! They should kill someone like hmmmmmm....... lets say Lana or Nois.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by LovelyLoisLane
I think all three canon big three (Lex, Lois, Clark) will have a death close to them for dramatic effect before the shows end. It would make more sense since for Clark the person whose death would most effect him would be Jonathan's, the father that always wanted Clark to be a better man; likewise in the case of Lionel, the great man that towered over Lex all his life, and for Lois that cousin she loves more than life itself and she wants to see succeed.

For Clark it will be Jonathan.

For Lex it will be Lionel.

For Lois it will be Chloe.

That makes a lot of sense. I agree. Good parallels.




Even then who in the hell is going to go to Vancouver just to stand outside, probably in the winter during hiatus season, with snot running out of your nose holding up a picket sign while the cold seeps through your gloves and gives you frost bite and your water Dasani has grown tastless and your mouth feels like a cotton ball and your arms and legs feel like they are going to fall off and your throat aches from all the yelling, over a TV show that only a smattering of people will remember with any clarity twenty years from now?

Funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:


He said it was the natural balance of things. Meaning he took another life force to replace the one Clark lost when he died after he lost his powers and was made mortal. In that vein the person of whom that life force was taken has to die within a given period or the world is doomed to chaos because it is unbalanced. If you believe in fate, or even if you don't but think the show is using it on a fictional basis, then the person whose life was traded had to be someone whose life-thread was connected to Clark's . . in other words, someone close to him.

I take this to mean that someone close to Clark will die because Clark is alive. In other words, something will happen because Clark is living that will cause the death. It makes sense for it to be Chloe if she sacrifices herself to protect Clark, but I like your parallel above. So I'm thinking it will be Jonathan, but in the context of protecting his son.

[SteveS]

I suggest Lucy to die for Lois. The little sister that Lois reared and someone who is totally worthless as a character on Smallville. A chance for Lois to prove that not both of General Lane's daughters are ne'er-do-wells, criminals, or 'muffin peddling college drop-outs.'

[MyOwnSuperhero]

I'm again going to point out one big reason that Chloe won't be dying anytime soon - money, namely the money spent on the Daily Planet set. The whole set up is there to get Clark and Lois interracting with the DP, furthering their growth in journalism and getting them a foot in the door when the time comes. The DP is a major set, one they built, not a location they use. As of right now, Chloe Sullivan is the show's only link to the Planet, and that will probably be the case for at least a while. Voice overs, angel wings, comments about death - all little ways TPTB are messing around with the attentive viewers.

This season, it's Fathers and Sons, the fathers passing on their final guidance and dying so that the sons can grow into men.

[mallory]

"Even then who in the hell is going to go to Vancouver just to stand outside, probably in the winter during hiatus season, with snot running out of your nose holding up a picket sign while the cold seeps through your gloves and gives you frost bite and your water Dasani has grown tastless and your mouth feels like a cotton ball and your arms and legs feel like they are going to fall off and your throat aches from all the yelling, over a TV show that only a smattering of people will remember with any clarity twenty years from now?

Ha ha. Well written. I enjoyed that. You're missing the point, though, IM(H)O.

Chloe's legions will revolt by not watching the show. That is the risk Miles and Gough take. Killing off one of the show's biggest leads. One who is getting more popular by the week.

Jonathon's death is a lot safer for the producers. He dies in lots of comics continuities. So lots of fans are used to that. JK in Smallville has heart problems, and made a devil's pact with Jorel two years ago. So we've been primed. Finally, I don't see Pa Kent playing much of a role anymore. He's served his purpose. He could become more important in death than in life though: his passing could be the trigger that pushes Clark toward his destiny.

Boy it felt just as cold to me as you said today, minus the snot...

[ColdTony]

It will be Chloe who dies. She's the only character whom never gets mention on Superman. and plus she's not suppose to be saving clarks a$$ all the time. It's beginning to look like a Buffy spin-off. Frankly, I'm tired of chloe and Lana. But we all know that Lana can't die because she plays an important part later on.
I don't mine Chloes Investigations But it is annoying how she ALWAYS manages to get away from every close to death encounter. I don't understand how can clark leave the key behind just to conviniently have chloe find it and rescue him. Plus wasn't chloe dying from the coldness of the FOS last time they were there. but this time she seemed ok until she was infront of the fire. BLAHHH! Lame

[smoky]

Someone who has never been wrong about spoilers says its NOT Chloe who dies. SORRY!

[SmallvilleMan]

:rotfl: Someone who's never wrong about the spoliers? :lol: I believe you though, but that's just funny to me.

[son2380]

Originally posted by MyOwnSuperhero
I'm again going to point out one big reason that Chloe won't be dying anytime soon - money, namely the money spent on the Daily Planet set. The whole set up is there to get Clark and Lois interracting with the DP, furthering their growth in journalism and getting them a foot in the door when the time comes. The DP is a major set, one they built, not a location they use. As of right now, Chloe Sullivan is the show's only link to the Planet, and that will probably be the case for at least a while. Voice overs, angel wings, comments about death - all little ways TPTB are messing around with the attentive viewers.

This season, it's Fathers and Sons, the fathers passing on their final guidance and dying so that the sons can grow into men.


If that is the case then why didn't they just have Lois work at the Planet before Chloe starts to intern there. In every Superman story line Lois is already an established reporter and working at the Daily Planet before Clark even decides to leave Smalleville. If thats the only reason they are keeping Chloe around is so that Clark and Lois can hang around the DP. That would just be crazy, Instead of doing that they should have just given Lois a Job there. Lois should be an established report before Clark graduates College. With Chloe around its not a gonna happen on time. The Chloe Lovers can cry complain and make all the excuses you want but she is hendering the story.

I don't care if Pa kent Dies but Chloe still has to go, she has to go somewhere. Send her ass to cleveland or somthing, she doesn't really have to die just get out of Smalleville and Metropolis. She's and internet geek she can keep in contact with clark through e-mail.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I don't have any hostility toward Chloe herself and as I said before even if the producers DID care about Chloe's fans (which don't number that high as far as DC is concerned as well, because she only has fans that watch Smallville, she isn't featured anywhere else . . yet*, so a TON of people may watch the movies/read the comics also under the WB's jurisdiction and never know, therefore never miss, Chloe's character. This is also true of Lana, who while she is featured in the comics and a movie has a marginally smaller fan base then three most iconic superman characters, being Lex, Clark and Lois.

TV has one of the smaller income markets in show business, and the executives are far less willingly to spend massive amounts of money on them and less likely to cry if the show bombs and gets cancelled. As Qui Gon Jin (sp? I'm never good with those Star Wars names) once said, there is always a bigger fish. A made a point in another thread that bears repeating here I think. Everyfan has a relatively large fan basing on this show. Many biased indivduals, self included, have on occasion made it sound otherwise, but being perfectly honest there are probably just as many Jonathan fans if not more then there are Chloe fans. If the shows producers worried about displeasing every fan base we would never have anything exciting happen on this show because they would be too worried about giving every character equal importance in every episode.

Again, as I've said before, IF Chloe dies (and I'm not so conceited as some to say that my word is law and my opinions fact) it won't be near the very end, of that I'm willing to bet my life on. In which case the show's days would be numbered no matter what they do and killing off a supporting character will be a penny in a jar and something they would definitely use to make the show go out with a bang. Even Stevey knows I'm right about that at least, if nothing else. ;) I do not think Chloe will be the one to get sacrificed (though I use the word loosely) for Clark in infamous "100" but I do think her future won't be at the Daily Planet by the show's end, either by death, moving or other things (yes Chloe=Lois lovers I'm throwing you a bone, it is possible that it could be that reason that it isn't "Chloe' that is at the planet. See how generous I am today?)

[livn_life]

What was the exact quote from Jor'el? Was it that someone "close" to Clark would die? Or was it that someone Clarks loves will die? Makes a difference, since Kryptonians seem to have a hard time dealing with emotions. Could "close" actually be referring to proximity? Could even mean someone Clark meets in the future...

Or in a more ironic twist, how about, just as Clark starts to trust and care about the Jor'el AI, it is destroyed. Probably through Clark screwing up.

The writers of Lois and Clark went against canon and had both Kents survive to see Superman born. I believe that the John Byrne take on Superman had Jonathan Kent survive. The death of Jonathan was only a catalyst for Clark seeing his power as a responsibility to use for the good of mankind. Clark already has that motivation now. No use for the dad to die.

We'll just have to see. Consistency is not a real strong point to the show.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Originally posted by livn_life
What was the exact quote from Jor'el? Was it that someone "close" to Clark would die? Or was it that someone Clarks loves will die?


It was both, I can't remember the exact quote but Jor El stated it twice. "The life force of someone close to you will be exchanged for your own" I THINK and "Soon, someone you love will die." That one doesn't sound right to me but I can't remember. I do remember that he said it twice and once it was "someone close to you" and the other time it was "someone you love"

[son2380]

Their gonna kill the dog so everyone can be happy JK will live MK will Live and CS will live just kill the dog and noone important will have to die. HA HA HA cruelty to animals lol

[LovelyLoisLane]

That's not really funny, but alright. If you think so.

[son2380]

man there is no pleasing you people crap. at least Chloe can live

[<<S>>]

I have a feeling it will be chloe, just because it sets up the transformation of Lois's character, and than can set up the death of Jonathan Kent in the future. Plus I think the death of JK will be as simple as heart attack, and will be natural death, causing Clark to seek guidance and form a closer bond to Jor El, while Martha provides the teachings and lessons, Jonathan and she would have instilled in him since birth.

[MyOwnSuperhero]

I don't really buy the whole "Chloe's death will cement Lois' interest in journalism" idea. I mean, it's been tossed around a few times, but I don't think that's it. Right now, with Chloe alive and well, Lois is wanting to dig up dirt on Lex. She is yet again showing a strong leaning towards journalsim. What she really needs is to find some direction in her life, decide that she does indeed like journalism, and then do what she does best - go at it whole hog. I think investigating Lex (not to mention his 'college dropout' comment) will be enough to get that ball rolling a little quicker.