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insp henderson

11-17-2005, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Jonathon is gone, I can't even say that it was just a tease this time. .

I think it was a tease because it was so obvious, especially when he said that stuff about spending time with those you love. I would hate to see him get knocked off.

Ma & Pa Kent are the best parents i can remember in any TV show.

Cinemastique

11-17-2005, 07:30 PM

Pa's role has been getting smaller and smaller anyway... I mean, he's RUNNING FOR SENATE in a superfluous subplot. Put that down under "ways to tell the writers have run out of stuff to do with a character."

attitudejc

11-17-2005, 07:33 PM

well they did foreshadow everyone this eppy.
they made a really obvious last week w/ Chloe, and then a really obvious one w/John. SO, i think that they are trying to keep us guessing and guessing and guessing, gosh i hate that!

I am hoping it will be John, but think of what Chloe has just gotten herself into. Brainac. . . . spaceship. . . . . Linoel. . . .. . FOS. . . . . . . . all of them. They might be putting stuff out there and then at the end tie them all together.
BUT. . . .

They are doing the same thing w/ John too. heartproblems. . . and whatever else.

this is so confusing.

TrevorH

11-17-2005, 07:35 PM

I hope so anyways, Clark needs a good kick in the ass, what the hell is he doing these days anyways..

MidgardDragon

11-17-2005, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by HouseOfEl
No way I don't believe it. That is waaaay too obvious the way they set it up. My guess is Chloe.

Wait wait, you think the death gong was too obvious, but not the Chloe tease? Remember, last week Chloe said "I'd die before I'd ever reveal your secret." Way more obvious than the death gong. Chloe's in it for the long-haul, JK is doomed. Alright, so it's just my opinion, but it just fits so perfectly that I doubt I'm wrong.

Mr.Bond

11-17-2005, 07:40 PM

Yeah, I like Pa kent but Superman Mythos has to happen and Pa Kent will be miss.

insp henderson

11-17-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by TrevorH
I hope so anyways, Clark needs a good kick in the ass, what the hell is he doing these days anyways..

Going to college, saving the world from aliens, destroying vampiresses, saving kidnap victims.

Yeah he's such a slacker!

Best Episode - 321

11-17-2005, 07:43 PM

TPTB are just messing with our heads. I won't read to much into anything. I'm sticking with Chloe.

Cinemastique

11-17-2005, 07:44 PM

I'm with you, Trevor. I think we'll get a lot of development out of Clark's stagnant period(relative to seasons 1 and 2) if Jonathan dies.

svfantic2005

11-17-2005, 07:48 PM

maybe it could be chloe and jk, because 2 people might die in the 12 episode.

maybe it could be chloe and jk, because 2 people might die in the 12 episode. i hope not!

sheltiemom

11-17-2005, 07:57 PM

I hate to think it's going to be Jonathan he and Martha are the best parents on TV.But the chat at the end of the show and the gong really doesn't bode well for Jonathan though.
All I know is that I'll have a big box of tissues ready during the 100th episode!!

Eklipse60

11-17-2005, 08:02 PM

TPTB have stated that Smallville will go another season.

TPTB have stated they are following two continuities Pre-Crisis, and the Donner Movies..

Clark goes to the fortress for his training and becomes superman shortly after the death of his father. This is shown in the first movie. It is too soon for Johnathon to die.

So, knowing this, who isn't needed..

Lois.......Yes this is the Lois we have seen the seeds of journalism recently planted by Chloe

Martha..Doesn't die in any version of the Superman continuity

Lex....Uhhh next

Lionel...Very possible but seriously is he really "close" to Clark definately not the main Death but If the Sheriff is the second death...oh...what...I didn't tell you the sheriff is gonna die.. moving on

Chloe....VERY Likely...What more does she need to do..what is left for Chloe seriously think about it...The only left for her is to be motivation/lesson to Clark

Lana....Lana doesn't die in any continuity.

oh and who are we forgetting....

Pete..... He is absent in the movie continuity and present in the comics so who knows..

Basically too early for Pa Kent to die..if he does this will be last season of smallville.

tw190

11-17-2005, 08:08 PM

I dunno... that was really strong! Gives the speech on living your life the fullest and then BAM--we're out.

I've got the shivers, eek! :eek:

MidgardDragon

11-17-2005, 08:09 PM

Umm, Clark didn't even find the FOS until after JK died in the movie. But he has found it already in this continuity. What's to stop TPTB from making Jonathon die earlier too?

Seems pretty obvious to me, but I guess we'll just have to watch and see. When I'm right, I expect worship and praise. :P j/k

watcher4

11-17-2005, 08:17 PM

Why does Smallville have to be the same as the comics and the movies? I don't understand that. Now, this may be a stupid thing to say. Could someone explain it to me, please? Thanks!!

(If it is Jonathan who dies on the 100th eppy, I will need a REALLY BIG box of Kleenex)

MidgardDragon

11-17-2005, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by watcher4
Why does Smallville have to be the same as the comics and the movies? I don't understand that. Now, this may be a stupid thing to say. Could someone explain it to me, please? Thanks!!

(If it is Jonathan who dies on the 100th eppy, I will need a REALLY BIG box of Kleenex)

Some things have to be the same as in the comics, simply to keep continuity somewhat consistant. For example, Lana is Clark's first love, Lex will eventually be Clark's worst enemy, Lois will eventualyl (but isn't right now) be his soulmate, and Clark will eventually don the blue and red suit and fight evil in Metropolis and all over the world. These things are pretty much set in stone. However, some things, like the parents living or dying, Chloe and Lionel's roles (they weren't even in the comics) and some of Clark's Kryptonian heritage, as well as how Clark "comes of age" and eventually decides to put on the suit, are flexible.

And I can't possibly believe it will be anyone but Jonathon at this point. Unless they death gong someone else between now and then. :P

blastcaps

11-17-2005, 08:29 PM

It was obvious, but then again Chloe was obvious as well, maybe it will be both of them. But i seriously doubt it. It is anyones guess.

Isn't it weird the server is still up.

sstray72

11-17-2005, 08:48 PM

I think last week's anvil was a red herring, but I think the "death gong" was authentic foreshadowing, since last week they were talking about JK's heart and the upcoming election as well. I think that JK is a goner!

Also, be sure to use spoiler tags like this one when speaking about upcoming episodes and other spoilery information for people who dont want to know!!! But IT'S GOING TO BE JK AND LIONEL!! They will use their deaths as showing the antithesis of Clark vs. Lex after both of their father's deaths!!

wickedgirl23

11-17-2005, 08:55 PM

I agree with you sstray, This seemed like genuine for shadowing and not a red herring.

Chloe's- "I'd die before I revealed your secrect" was way too obivous

and as of tonights episode Martha seems way to obivious

Mr. E

11-17-2005, 09:08 PM

Ohhhhhh, is that what that sound was, a death gong? I was wondering why it seemed so weird when SV ended. No music and and a gong. Definitely ominous.

Cinemastique

11-17-2005, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Some things have to be the same as in the comics, simply to keep continuity somewhat consistant. For example, Lana is Clark's first love, Lex will eventually be Clark's worst enemy, Lois will eventualyl (but isn't right now) be his soulmate, and Clark will eventually don the blue and red suit and fight evil in Metropolis and all over the world. These things are pretty much set in stone. However, some things, like the parents living or dying, Chloe and Lionel's roles (they weren't even in the comics) and some of Clark's Kryptonian heritage, as well as how Clark "comes of age" and eventually decides to put on the suit, are flexible.

And I can't possibly believe it will be anyone but Jonathon at this point. Unless they death gong someone else between now and then. :P

Lionel Luthor was indeed in the comics, since the 50's at the latest if I'm not mistaken. Check out "The Many Faces of Lionel Luthor" feature here on KSite.

As for Chloe, she's a new part of Supes mythos, but DC liked her so much she's been inserted into current comics continuity.

Not that this eliminates either of them from the running, but to say Chloe's not in the comics is a technical faux pas; saying Lionel wasn't in them is an out-and-out blunder.

:)

crush41gb

11-17-2005, 09:47 PM

I am really gonna miss him.. I thought either Jonathan or Chloe would be it.. or even Lionel.. you know? This season is really the best so far I believe. ;)

Leviathan

11-17-2005, 09:56 PM

I think Lionel will bite the bullet for one... not sure why, but that's what I think. They keep putting emphasis on Chloe and Jonathan and putting these really cryptic sentences in everyone's mouths, but will Lionel running around with all that Kryptonian energy from Jor-el inside him...

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-17-2005, 09:57 PM

Yeah Pa kent is pretty mucha a goner I think the second one will be Lionel but also Chloe could die and then Clark could fly for the frist time make the woirld spinn backwards and save her but onlu her since Jor-L may have told him that he will die again if he saves him :(... just a theory ;)

Xcalibur

11-17-2005, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by ILoveClana
I can't believe how blatant that was. Poor Jonathan. :(

Yea.
Gosh couldn't they have killed off chloe instead.
Hmmm even Martha would have been better.

Johnathon is way better than them both IMO.:(

pop-n-fresh

11-17-2005, 10:08 PM

Say it ain't so!! It's too obvious and the "official" comic history is that Johnathan Kent is alive and well. My bet is Lionel will be the first goner in the 100th episode causing Lex to go through a downward spiral to become a supervillain. Then later on in the season it'll be Chloe, which will cause Clark to become Superman.

PnF

snowblizzard

11-17-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by sheltiemom
I hate to think it's going to be Jonathan he and Martha are the best parents on TV.But the chat at the end of the show and the gong really doesn't bode well for Jonathan though.
All I know is that I'll have a big box of tissues ready during the 100th episode!!
I don't believe anybody is going to die. Jor-El wants Clark to protect Earth. He's not a bad Krtptonian and when Clark pleaded with him to let Chloe live in the Fortress Of Solitude in Episode one he had a soft heart and did Clark the favor.
Also Clark died and came back to life.
Jonathan also says in the loft.."maybe Jor-El won't do anything. He hasn't done anything yet."
No, Clark has to still learn more about his destiny and he needs to be close with Jor-El till he becomes Superman. Did you see how angry he got with Jor-El when he thought Martha was going to die. Also Jor-El hasn't done anything that he's to be blaned for in this show. The meteror shower wasn't his fault. All he has done is try and teach Clark.
I just feel something will happen in Episode 100 but not as dramatic as they have sounded to be.
On one side he loves his son, does him the facor and let's Chloe live. Why would he do anything to jeapordise his relationship with his son and create a huge obstactle to mold Clark into Superman for the good of Mankind.

Xcalibur

11-17-2005, 10:51 PM

Johnathon still has alot to offer the show i think

SuperToad

11-17-2005, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Cinemastique
Lionel Luthor was indeed in the comics, since the 50's at the latest if I'm not mistaken. Check out "The Many Faces of Lionel Luthor" feature here on KSite.

Sorry man, that was an April Fool's joke, somewhere it says on the page that John Glover's is the one and only Lionel Luthor.

Here's the disclaimer:
April Fool's 2005 (http://www.kryptonsite.com/fooledya2005.htm)

Shiver

11-17-2005, 11:01 PM

Well Lex is probably going to be death-gonged in "Lexmas"... I think they're just going to keep putting different characters in mortal peril and make them spout foreshadowy until ep 100.

Yuui

11-17-2005, 11:03 PM

I'm still pulling for Chloe, for a few reasons. :)

KryptonzGirl

11-17-2005, 11:05 PM

Perhaps by being so obvious they want you to think that they are trying to make you think that this person dies, or perhaps they are thinking that that is a trick as well, by making you think this character isnt gonna die by thinking of making it obvious so that you think the character is not but they really are...you think?

:D

MidgardDragon

11-18-2005, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by SuperToad
Sorry man, that was an April Fool's joke, somewhere it says on the page that John Glover's is the one and only Lionel Luthor.

Here's the disclaimer:
April Fool's 2005 (http://www.kryptonsite.com/fooledya2005.htm)

Phew. I knew I was right, but didn't know where my proof was. Thanks for backing me up SuperToad.

Once again I say Chloe and Lionel are Smallville's inventions.

Originally posted by Cinemastique
Lionel Luthor was indeed in the comics, since the 50's at the latest if I'm not mistaken. Check out "The Many Faces of Lionel Luthor" feature here on KSite.

As for Chloe, she's a new part of Supes mythos, but DC liked her so much she's been inserted into current comics continuity.

Not that this eliminates either of them from the running, but to say Chloe's not in the comics is a technical faux pas; saying Lionel wasn't in them is an out-and-out blunder.

:)

I didn't say she isn't, currently, I said she wasn't, as in before Smallville.

See mine and SuperToad's posts for information on why you're completely wrong about Lionel.

son2380

11-18-2005, 09:17 AM

I thought they were forshadowing the Chloe's death,
Reason why
1. She is once again meddeling in Lex's Business

2. I thought Brainiac was gonna kill her because she saw him morph from the ship

3. She Knows to much about Clark and Lex Knows she knows something'

4. Lex isn't stupid he gonna find out that Lional is giving Chloe Info.

5. Chloe was the last person to see the spaceship before it vanished. I'm sure Lex has Cameras in that warehouse that will show Chloe snooping around.

6. lois is started to show interest in Jouranlism not much interest but a little. Chloe's death is just what she needs to push her over the edge into Journalism.

I think they are setting up Chloe's death.

I don't know what part of the Superman mythos they are using either movie or comic or just fusing the 2 together. Or using one of the millions of Superman stories out there like earth 1 superman or Silver age superman. In the current Comic book story of Superman JK is still alive. But since they added Chloe to the Comic I guess its safe to say they are not using the comic as the reference for this adaptation of Superman. I still think they are fusing the 2 stories.

Praxis

11-18-2005, 09:30 AM

Paying attention the second time around, I noticed two death-gongs.

One when Lex got angry at Lionel, and the other with Jonathan Kent.

Hmmmm...

MediaGuy0979

11-18-2005, 10:25 AM

Even though there hasn't been a lot hinted at her death, I think Lana is still a big possibility. Why? Well, while Smallville may have similarities to the movies and comics, it's kind of doing it's own thing and anything is possible. Lana has not been playing a big role like she used to and I think she just needs to go. Jor-el hinted that because of Clark's decision (to save Lana) someone close to him would die; seems like it would be a lesson well learned if it were Lana.

Chloe is also a possibility - it's been well hinted. But my personal desire is that they would keep her around. She's becoming such a strong character and a good friend to Clark and Lois. On the other hand, the writers could really use her death to draw Lois further into journalism and the Daily Planet and bring Clark and Lois closer together.

Jonathan (or Martha) is a strong candidate as well. He's had heart problems (something pulled from the Donner movie), and has been in many situations that has nearly killed him. Also, if he were to die in the 100th episode (about the time when voting is supposed to occur on the senate race), it would put Lex in office giving him even more power and allow Clark to go to FOS to continue his training (relying on his real dad, Jor-el, to take the role of "pa").

Case in point, almost anyone could be killed off, but my hope and desire is for Lana - I'm bored with her and tired of seeing her in the hospital every other episode. Besides, their "romantic relationship" has to end sooner or later.

fa8362

11-18-2005, 10:29 AM

"Well, while Smallville may have similarities to the movies and comics, it's kind of doing it's own thing and anything is possible."

No, they can't kill Lana...just like they can't kill Clark (not really anyway), Martha, Lois, Lex, Perry, Jimmy, etc. They can only kill their own characters or pa Kent (because he dies in the comics).

son2380

11-18-2005, 10:40 AM

Pa kent dies in one version of the Comic story but the current Comic story Pa kent is alive. he the one that brought Superman soul back to life after he died.

Tomsgurl88

11-18-2005, 10:55 AM

I know i'm going to be heartbroken whoever it is too :( i hate when characters die on shows! And whoever it is on Smallville i know it's gonna be sad.

fa8362

11-18-2005, 10:56 AM

Aren't they going to kill the sheriff and have her killer say "I shot the sheriff, but I did not kill no deputy."?

auctionrick

11-18-2005, 10:59 AM

Or it could be some one we least suspect what with all this blatent forshadowing

Lana_Lang #1

11-18-2005, 11:04 AM

Clark to Martha "I don't know what I'd do without you. Dad has given me so much but you're my heart...my soul"

Jonathan to Clark "The things about life is that we won't all live forever. I think the trick is to spend as much time as you can, with the ones you love"

Clark to Jonathan "You're right"

BLACK!

Sadly they have given huge warnings about Jonathan's heart in the last 3-4 episode. Unfortunately I believe TPTB are trying to prepare us for the inevitable death of Jonathan. If the continuities between the movies and the Smallville are the same, Jonathan must die...

I love Mr. Kent and his character, also the power and inner strength he gives to Clark, I want him to live!

kal-el03

11-18-2005, 11:47 AM

yep good bye old jonathan, I cant wait! As much as i love him i so want to see Clark living trough peoples death, especialy his father

And Lana Lang #1. That's an other reason why Jonathan MUST die, "Th epower and inner strenght he gives to Clark".
It's about time Clark needs to live life on his own, see what the real world is all about!

No-El

11-18-2005, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by attitudejc
well they did foreshadow everyone this eppy.
they made a really obvious last week w/ Chloe, and then a really obvious one w/John. SO, i think that they are trying to keep us guessing and guessing and guessing, gosh i hate that!

I am hoping it will be John, but think of what Chloe has just gotten herself into. Brainac. . . . spaceship. . . . . Linoel. . . .. . FOS. . . . . . . . all of them. They might be putting stuff out there and then at the end tie them all together.
BUT. . . .

They are doing the same thing w/ John too. heartproblems. . . and whatever else.

this is so confusing.

Consider, who else now are they going to be obvious with next???

If there are no more candidates from the "pool of potentials", I say sadly that we have our "two victims" lined up for the firing squad--sort to speak.:( :( :( :mad:

But, no Chloe="Large Scale Global Disaster"!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :( :( :( :( :(

Daphne

11-18-2005, 12:05 PM

I think eventually it will be Pa Kent and Chloe who die. I had been a wisher that Chloe could be Lois some day, but no, they are setting up Lois to be Lois way too much.
I expected Pa Kent to die because that's the story I knew. But it's a bummer that Chloe might die.

RedKalEL

11-18-2005, 02:41 PM

you know what would be funny if we actually had a pool

Cinemastique

12-09-2005, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Phew. I knew I was right, but didn't know where my proof was. Thanks for backing me up SuperToad.

Once again I say Chloe and Lionel are Smallville's inventions.

I didn't say she isn't, currently, I said she wasn't, as in before Smallville.

See mine and SuperToad's posts for information on why you're completely wrong about Lionel.

Okay, okay, Jeez. I stand corrected, already!