Twisted Kryptonian History . . .

[bluehybrid69]

I love how the fact that Brainac is twisting the history of Krypton and making Zod like a God, and Jor-El like a criminal. I wonder if Clark will believe him, and for how long?

[TrevorH]

yeah twisted for sure heh

[superhippie2000]

ya that was cool and then when he told clark the truth in the fortress that was awsome.

[farmboy20]

i kept laughing everytime he said zod was good.

[Clark Kent 86]

I loved it when Clark discovered the truth.

[CLS]

Though Clark's opinion of Jor-El still hasn't changed.

He should do a bit of reassessing of that feeling.

Granted he has reason to feel that way about Joe-El but you know.

-cs™

[Superboy2]

Clark,"Sorry Jor-El for trying to destroy the fortress you built for me, and for running away from my heritage, I know I'm immature and realize you're a good guy, but you see, I have this contract with the WB, and TPTB won't let me like you, so you can't tell them I think ue tight,ok" Jor-El,"Yes my son, I will share the burden of this secret, of this forbidden relationship, but I want you to know something," Clark, "What?" "Stop wearing flannel!"

[jarethmc]

While we are on the topic of twisted history, Im still not sure if Jor-el is Jor-el or really Zod using Clark all this time. The real Jor-el whos voice we heard in the Superman trailer says this about humans "They can be a great people Kal-el, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show them the way. For this reason,above all,their capacity for good, I have sent them you my only son.

That is so different from the voice of Jor-el/Zod? saying they are a flawed race rule them with strength my son!

I say we havent heard from the true Jorel yet!!!!!!!

[Shiver]

"Stop wearing flannel!"

LOL!

[TJPW]

Love how TPTB twist history. Wonder if herstory would be just as twisted???

[fattire]

who's her?

[Lois Sullivan]

OH my god. The amount of posters who actually think that Jor-El isn't Jor-El is overwhelming. Am I the only one who figured out what was going on last night? Okay. Here ya go:

Has it occured to anyone that maybe Braniac was in the ship that carried Clark to earth? Not the one from Arrivial?

There's a revolt on Krypton, Jor-El defeats Zod and banishes him to the Phatom Zone. When his disciples try to free him, Jor-El banishes them to the meteor chunk. Brainiac, an AI created by Zod, is the one who put the timer into the ship that will free it if the three elements are ever united on earth. Jor-El's victory over Zod is short lived, he's too late to save Krypton, so he sends Clark to earth, having already visited it years prior, he chooses the Kent's to raise Clark, and sends him to earth to unite the three elements and protect earth. What he doesn't know is that Brainiac, has infiltrated the ship and given this message to Clark to rule over earth. So Clark mis-interpets the reason Jor-El sent Clark to earth. Brainiac wants to release Zod, but the only way to do so is through the fortress, and if Clark does so. So he waits, till Clark unites the Elements and creates the fortress. He then does everything we saw.

There's your answer. Jor-El is Jor-El always has been.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Lois Sullivan
OH my god. The amount of posters who actually think that Jor-El isn't Jor-El is overwhelming. Am I the only one who figured out what was going on last night? Okay. Here ya go:

Has it occured to anyone that maybe Braniac was in the ship that carried Clark to earth? Not the one from Arrivial?

There's a revolt on Krypton, Jor-El defeats Zod and banishes him to the Phatom Zone. When his disciples try to free him, Jor-El banishes them to the meteor chunk. Brainiac, an AI created by Zod, is the one who put the timer into the ship that will free it if the three elements are ever united on earth. Jor-El's victory over Zod is short lived, he's too late to save Krypton, so he sends Clark to earth, having already visited it years prior, he chooses the Kent's to raise Clark, and sends him to earth to unite the three elements and protect earth. What he doesn't know is that Brainiac, has infiltrated the ship and given this message to Clark to rule over earth. So Clark mis-interpets the reason Jor-El sent Clark to earth. Brainiac wants to release Zod, but the only way to do so is through the fortress, and if Clark does so. So he waits, till Clark unites the Elements and creates the fortress. He then does everything we saw.

There's your answer. Jor-El is Jor-El always has been. That's a damn good theory. I ike it. Not so sure that it is going to be what happens though. If it happens like that I'll be amazed at how concisely you can predict the future.

One small thing though, the elements being united isn't what made the Kryptonians come to earth, it was the spillage of human blood onto one of the stones, and there was never a guarantee that it would happen that way. This leaves me with ?? questions:

1) Why banish Kryptonians to eternity in a ship in a meteor, rather than putting them in the Phantom Zone (I didn't see solitude so I don't know if you've speculated that bit, or if it was mentioned)?

2) If Jor-El banished Kryptonians to the meteor, why would they be released if human blood was spilt on the stone?

Bearing in mind your theory and my questions I think that the Kryptonians from Arrival had nothing to do with Brainiac. I think if your theory is correct he had nothing to do with their release and it was just a happy coincidence for him. I think he had just planned on waiting around until Clark had found the FoS.

So assuming this theory is right, anyone want to have a crack at my questions?

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by bluehybrid69
I love how the fact that Brainac is twisting the history of Krypton and making Zod like a God, and Jor-El like a criminal. I wonder if Clark will believe him, and for how long?

That was great scene, I also enjoyed when Clark found out it was Zod who Destroyed Krypton not Jor-EL .;)

[Eklipse60]

1. The voice in the trailor is Marlon Brando from the first Donnor Superman movie. Don't draw any conclusions from that...Part of the confusion about this may be that Terrance Stamp (Zod from the movie) does the voice of Jor-El in the series.

2. The Ship from Arrival is Brainiac. Brainiac is an AI from krypton that was in charge of running the planet basically. That is why the ship disappeared when Brainiac did.

3. Also a brief backtrack of the comic continuity. kryptonians had developed highly advanced genetic technology which basically almost made them immortal. They would clone a new body and place their mind in that new body. Zod was a general among freedom fighter. His group placed a device near Kryptons core with plans to make the planet poison to all of it's inhabitants. Hence why parts of the planet have such a profound effect on Kryptonians. The device was thought to be unsuccessfull but many years later it was found to have disrupted the planets core to cause the destruction of Krypton.

Did I miss anything?

[LEXCLARK]

Originally posted by bluehybrid69
I love how the fact that Brainac is twisting the history of Krypton and making Zod like a God, and Jor-El like a criminal. I wonder if Clark will believe him, and for how long?

This was a pure stoke of GENIUS on the writer's behalf. I almost wish they had carried it out longer and had Clark believe all season that Zod was some Kyrptonian herp and his father Jor-El was the ruthless dictator!

[bap290]

Originally posted by Eklipse60
1. The voice in the trailor is Marlon Brando from the first Donnor Superman movie. Don't draw any conclusions from that...Part of the confusion about this may be that Terrance Stamp (Zod from the movie) does the voice of Jor-El in the series.

2. The Ship from Arrival is Brainiac. Brainiac is an AI from krypton that was in charge of running the planet basically. That is why the ship disappeared when Brainiac did.

3. Also a brief backtrack of the comic continuity. kryptonians had developed highly advanced genetic technology which basically almost made them immortal. They would clone a new body and place their mind in that new body. Zod was a general among freedom fighter. His group placed a device near Kryptons core with plans to make the planet poison to all of it's inhabitants. Hence why parts of the planet have such a profound effect on Kryptonians. The device was thought to be unsuccessfull but many years later it was found to have disrupted the planets core to cause the destruction of Krypton.

Did I miss anything?



I disagree.

Where did you get your idea for #3?

[Superboy2]

If it is Zod that was in the caves and FOS, where has Jor-El been? In the comics, he is the FOS, or is Zod hiding him, and we will see the real Jor-El in the finale?

[GhostRider]

Zod was a rebel on Krypton, and had a couple of followers (Nam-Ek and Ayther) He tried to take over the planet by reprogramming it's central computer system, i.e. Brainiac. He wanted to use it to defeat Jor-El and the ruling council. They captured Zod and Jor-El banished him to the PZ. Brainiac however wound up destroying Krypton, but he (or it if you prefer) managed to save himself by escaping on that ship along with Nam-Ek and Ayther. However Brainiac didn't know where to go and so the ship became dormant. Jor-El couldn't stop Krypton's destruction but managed to save Kal-El by sending him to Earth along with a AI version of himself. He was supposed to unite the stones and build the FOS which would give him all the knowledge of Krypton. However when blood stained one of the stones it awoke Brainiac and summoned the ship the Earth. Nam-Ek and Ayther immediately sent about looking for Kal-El to get him to join them and tried to send him to the PZ when they failed. Next Brainiac tried to seduce Clark to see humanity as inferior bringing him to their view of things and failing that he tricked him into using the FOS to open a portal to the PZ to free Zod.

Brainiac/Zod wish to eradicate humanity and establish the "utopian" civilization they envisioned on Krypton. Jor-El wishes for Kal-El to lead humanity to the level of society that existed on Krypton before Zod.

That's my take on it.

[HalJordan4184]

Yeah, the whole backstory on Zod you put is a mishmash of various comics stories about Krypton. Zod wasn't responsible for krypton's demise. THat was the terrorist Group Black Zero, which was baout 10000 years before Zod was born. Zod and Jor-El are contemporaries. And Kryptonians didn't clone bodies and place their minds in them. They cloned bodies to replace pars that might go bad on the one they were born with. THey were master genetic engineers, but they didn't transplant brains. When their body died, so did they.

Zod was a general, in some stories in charge of Kryptons defense, in others just a rebel Kryptonian trying to win power. He started a revolt, which was quashed, and he was banished to the phantom zone as a punishment. THe phantom zone had been discovered by Jor-El, who also had the only phantom zone key, to get into it. So Zod blames Jor-El for his horrid incarceration, thus his hatred for Superman later.

[krpto]

hows this jor-el made a ship but knew brainiac would stop the lauch if he didn't put a message to rule with strength in it so he did as the only way to save clark hopeing that clark would ignore the message and help the humans.

[GhostRider]

The message in the ship was from Jor-El. Clark misinterpreted it thinking that he is supposed to conquer Earth and rule it as some sort of tyrant. I believe they are following the movie in that Jor-El wants Kal-El to lead humanity to become a great people. Jor-El knew that humanity is flawed and need someone like Kal-El to serve as a benelovant ruler to lead us to the light. Enabling humanity to evolve to that level is his destiny, except he'll achieve it not by becoming Earth's ruler, but by being her hero.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by GhostRider
The message in the ship was from Jor-El. Clark misinterpreted it thinking that he is supposed to conquer Earth and rule it as some sort of tyrant. I believe they are following the movie in that Jor-El wants Kal-El to lead humanity to become a great people. Jor-El knew that humanity is flawed and need someone like Kal-El to serve as a benelovant ruler to lead us to the light. Enabling humanity to evolve to that level is his destiny, except he'll achieve it not by becoming Earth's ruler, but by being her hero. Yeah. A word other than "rule" may have been in order for that one. Good one Jor-El.

[Watching Smallville]

Clark's Kryptonian may need a little polishing. He could have misread "lead" as "rule."

[Summers]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
That was great scene, I also enjoyed when Clark found out it was Zod who Destroyed Krypton not Jor-EL .;)

Me too. I love the twisted history, and that Clark found out it was Zod.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Clark's Kryptonian may need a little polishing. He could have misread "lead" as "rule." Why would he be taught Kryptonian instantly to be taught it incorrectly? I don't buy that at all.

[Eklipse60]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Yeah, the whole backstory on Zod you put is a mishmash of various comics stories about Krypton. Zod wasn't responsible for krypton's demise. THat was the terrorist Group Black Zero, which was baout 10000 years before Zod was born. Zod and Jor-El are contemporaries. And Kryptonians didn't clone bodies and place their minds in them. They cloned bodies to replace pars that might go bad on the one they were born with. THey were master genetic engineers, but they didn't transplant brains. When their body died, so did they.

It has been a while since I read these ( should revisit them ). Sorry about the mishmash. Thanks for correcting me you are correct.

[son2380]

Originally posted by GhostRider
Zod was a rebel on Krypton, and had a couple of followers (Nam-Ek and Ayther) He tried to take over the planet by reprogramming it's central computer system, i.e. Brainiac. He wanted to use it to defeat Jor-El and the ruling council. They captured Zod and Jor-El banished him to the PZ. Brainiac however wound up destroying Krypton, but he (or it if you prefer) managed to save himself by escaping on that ship along with Nam-Ek and Ayther. However Brainiac didn't know where to go and so the ship became dormant. Jor-El couldn't stop Krypton's destruction but managed to save Kal-El by sending him to Earth along with a AI version of himself. He was supposed to unite the stones and build the FOS which would give him all the knowledge of Krypton. However when blood stained one of the stones it awoke Brainiac and summoned the ship the Earth. Nam-Ek and Ayther immediately sent about looking for Kal-El to get him to join them and tried to send him to the PZ when they failed. Next Brainiac tried to seduce Clark to see humanity as inferior bringing him to their view of things and failing that he tricked him into using the FOS to open a portal to the PZ to free Zod.

Brainiac/Zod wish to eradicate humanity and establish the "utopian" civilization they envisioned on Krypton. Jor-El wishes for Kal-El to lead humanity to the level of society that existed on Krypton before Zod.

That's my take on it.


This is so well written and so well Thought out. I almost thought that this was really going to happen. I hope this is what happen cause this is a good ending