No one feels SORRY for Lex?

[smallville_fetish]

I thought it was hella funny how no one trusted Lex in this episode.

Here’s what I can remember:


1. Lex never sent that silver meteor rock to Lana yet she accuses him of lying to her and trying to break her and Clark up.
2. Lex decides to finally share the ship to Lana and she gets mad (well who wouldn’t since he called her hysterical) but he was doing so to only protect her and she called off his reason that it was actually because he thinks she might know how to open it.
3. Lex consistently makes phone calls for information/cure on the silver meteor rock to help Clark’s sickness/delusions and ends up getting thrown across the floor/banged against the wall/choked/bruised face/broken arm and wrist all due to Clark (and did Clark even apologize!? NO.)
4. Lex told everyone the silver meteor disappeared during the catastrophic incident -or that’s what Chloe said to Clark and Clark rolled his eyes and said “I still don’t trust him.” (as in, “that’s an obvious lie.. Lex is hiding it for research.” when actually Lex gave the rock to Lana when he went to check up on that noise/blackout and the rock disappeared because Prof. Fine took it back.)

Looks like it wasn’t everyone who was out to get Clark, but rather everyone all against Lex.

Oh yeah and his own father laughing in his face while mocking him about his love interest doesn’t make it any better. Words of encouragement? “No son, you’re not evil. You have a good heart and everyone will see it.” um more like the opposite.

Poor Lexy. He needs a hug.

[sprman808]

Feel the love... cuz Lex is screwed.

[ma200]

Lex had a thing for Lana since she was a high school freshman. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a pervert.

[LuthorRequiem2]

Hey, that's not perverted! :) When she was a freshman, Lex was only in his early twenties. Plus, I don't think it's really so much of a sexual attraction as it is an attraction to the fact that she's a pure-hearted, honest individual. That attracts the goodness still left inside Lex, because he needs someone he can trust. With his past female relationships failing (including and especially Helen), and his relationships with those he thought he trusted (Clark) failing, he needs someone who is as innocent as Lana.

[mallory]

Originally posted by ma200
Lex had a thing for Lana since she was a high school freshman. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a pervert.

If that makes Lex a pervert, all men are perverts. Yeah, come to think of it, I guess you are right.

[angelus666]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ma200
Lex had a thing for Lana since she was a high school freshman. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a pervert. [/QUOTE

LOL I have been thinking that for awhile but no one else seem's to care.

[GatorTex]

How much more of this can Lex take before he snaps? It's no wonder he turns master villain in the future with all the needless accusations (not to mention beatdowns) he suffers on a day to day basis.

[sunshine1973]

Lex REALLY got his dues in this one, I felt sorry for him in the end when Lionel said that stuff to him, the look in his eyes was painful..

[lynelle]

Lex dishes out as good as gets, especially now, so it's kind of hard for me to feel sorry for him. Even less when it comes to Lana, I find it truly annoying and pathetic.

But then again I'm not really into being made to feel sorry for characters, I tend to have the opposite reaction.

[mario masta]

I kind of felt sorry for him in Splinter...but he's been an ass for most of Season 5, so you can't really blame Lana or Clark for not trusting him.

[BELLAT]

Originally posted by GatorTex
How much more of this can Lex take before he snaps? It's no wonder he turns master villain in the future with all the needless accusations (not to mention beatdowns) he suffers on a day to day basis.
And what about everything Lex has done? Its a little hard to feel sorry for him, especially after what he did in Mortal. Maybe he wasn't to blame this time, but he's not a saint and he certainly shouldn't be trusted

[Mr. E]

He just wants to be loved :(:(:(:(:(:)

[jag5311]

Mr. E..... YES, that is right.

I remember in the episode TRUTH, when Chloe asked Lex what he really wants...he replied with

"I just want my father to love me..."

So to be honest, he just wants to be loved, especially by Lana. Problem is, he needs to drop a lot of things in his life if he wants to be that honest and good hearted person, which we know he is not. He DOES use money to solve everything...but sometimes money isn't the answer.

[djpnutz]

I loved the Lionel Lex lexture. Lionel said it straight up what was going on in Lex's mind. Gotta give it up to big poppa. but Lex did get whipped up this episode. I wonder if they're going to give it some continuity in the next episode... CK and Lex should talk about going crazy or something. Even though Lex doesn't really remember THAT part of his life. heh

It would be hella nice if they put Lex and Clark as really good friends again... then screw them both over to turn into arch enemies. Kinda like what Fine is doing with CK.

[aqua]

I only feel sympathy for villains that are fun to watch and I like. Lex isn't, so I kind of just giggled.

[Stephen Robinson]

The sad truth is that no one has ever trusted Lex. He's never really had a friend during the run of the series. I was watching ZERO over the weekend and was surprised by how shabbily he was treated by the Kents and by Clark, who still didn't really trust his explanation for what happened at Club Zero.

From the start of the series, people have not trusted Lex simply because of Lionel's actions (when, ironically enough, Lionel didn't completely trust Lex as being "strong" -- or I suppose "evil" -- enough). Whenever Lex would attempt to "reach out" to people, he was accused of using his money to buy friendship. Yet, how often did Clark, Lana, and others take advantage of this. It got so bad that many episodes involved Clark, Lana, and Chloe only seeing Lex when they needed something.

Even when Lex is overtly doing something positive, the reaction is that there is an ulterior motive. Lex protected Chloe when she was a witness against Lionel and Chloe and others only really think he did this for his own benefit.

So far, his greatest sins are keeping things from his friends (usually top secret LuthorCorp reseach that he would be obligated not to blab about to high school students) and spying on his friends. The latter is obviously an issue but Chloe is guilty of the same sin and was forgiven. Did Lex go too far in Mortal? Probably, but Clark had lied consistently to him by that point.

[AnimeJoe]

I don't recall Lex feeling anything towards Lana during her freshman year. In fact, he kept encouraging Clark to go after her..

[margroks]

First of all, Lana isn't a pure hearted individual by a long shot. She's a self centered, manipulative girl who makes harsh demands of everyone no matter how nicely they treat her, including Lex who's bent over backward to help her at times yet still gets yelled when she gets in a huff. She treats Clark and all her previous boyfriends the same way. Why anyone likes her at all is a complete mystery because she isn't at all likeable.

Lex isn't himself any kind of a white knight either. He may have been a lot nicer to Clark in particular at first but he's always had a hidden agenda where Clark's concerned, investigating the crash even after he said he wouldn't, inc ontrast to Chloe who did, in fact, stop when Clark requested it and honestly, never actually did that much investigating anyway. Lex lied to CLark from the beginning (Hamilton in Nicodemus, remember? Only one example from first season.) and has continued to do so, not because he fears reprisal against family and frinds, as in Clark's case, but becasue it benefits him personally or his bottom line. He has been shown to get worse as the years progresses and after Onyx, well, he never fully reintegrated, I think so he's going to have an agenda certainly from now on.

So, no, I don'y really sympathize with Lex who certainly does want to use Lana to get at CLark if possible but appears to actually care t=for her, fixated on her appalling character like everyone else in Smallville and the rest of the universe, apparently. That is the sick part of this whole tale; that Lana is put at the center of the universe, causeing all and being the reaosn for all things, bad or good. If Lex does have designs on her, it's his fault for wanting her and I have no more sympathy for him than I do for Clark. They should both know better.

[Cathrina Devil]

man i really really hate the fact that lex is gonna go bad, this whole transformation thing i succkies at best. i mean i really feel for Lex , i wish, that if he really must go bad then hit should be one of those things like Anikin in starwars, he goes all bad cuz he looses hope when the love of his life is lost.
(and yes i know that thecknickly she dies after but you get the picture)
i mean i really really really dont want him to go bad...
but noew enough of depressing stuff, here's a coment i just read at WB fourms about lex & lana kissing:
It just looked so unnatural, like when u see a human humping a dog, it's like wth, WOW thats juss plain wrong
ha ha .. well it made me laugh anyway!!!

[ClarksNextGF]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
I thought it was hella funny how no one trusted Lex in this episode.

Looks like it wasn’t everyone who was out to get Clark, but rather everyone all against Lex.

Oh yeah and his own father laughing in his face while mocking him about his love interest doesn’t make it any better. Words of encouragement? “No son, you’re not evil. You have a good heart and everyone will see it.” um more like the opposite.

Poor Lexy. He needs a hug.

Actually, I did feel sorry for Lex in this episode - I'm glad you brought this up. It seems that even when he tries to do something nice, or help in any way - he still gets kicked in the teeth.

Clark SHOULD have apoligized. Lex was honestly tring to help him. Regardless of what has happened in the past, when someone does something nice for you, you should be thankful & show some appreciation.

I know there was alot of talk before about Lex & Mr. Kent - if Mr. Kent had been nicer to Lex and 'taken him in' maybe he would be a better person. Well, maybe THIS is why Lex goes bad - even when he does the right thing.. he still gets slapped around..

[AnimeJoe]

I love the way Lana is always painted as being manipulative by her detractors but yet I haven't seen any manipulative actions on her part :p

She gave up cheerleading to kind of 'find her place in life', despite was her shallow aunt Nell want. Which I think is commendable.

And outside of those momentary lapses she's had when she was possessed by a witch, she seems to desire a secure relationship with someone sans lies and secrets, which isn't something Clark feels he can give her yet.

And speaking of secrets, I'm in no way trying to justify her actions but I love the fact that folks are jumping down Lana's throat for keeping what could be a temporary secret in last night's episode. She actually told Clark early on in the season that she saw a ship, at the risk of getting thrown into a looney bin. Yeah Lana did keep the fact that Lex has the ship a secret, but that's one episode, we don't know what's going to happen down the line. She must have her reasons. Clark on the other hand has lied to her from Season 1 till Season NOW. She's been lied to and maybe manipulated by ex-boyfriend Jason, and then you have Lex who's done a deed or two that wasn't in her favor. With all of that stuff, I wouldn't blame her one bit if she got to the point of keeping secrets from people as a result of her past experiences with Clark, Jason, and Lex.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Looks like it wasn’t everyone who was out to get Clark, but rather everyone all against Lex.

No-one was against Lex... you're being paranoid... you seem delusional.... been in contact with any weird rocks lately...?

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

Originally posted by ma200
Lex had a thing for Lana since she was a high school freshman. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a pervert.

Well, Lana's been intrigued by Lex (and his breaststroke) since she was 12! L'il skank!

[ClarksNextGF]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
No-one was against Lex... you're being paranoid... you seem delusional.... been in contact with any weird rocks lately...?

:rotfl: :rotfl: that's hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Damali]

Originally posted by Eh,Man?You-El?
Well, Lana's been intrigued by Lex (and his breaststroke) since she was 12! L'il skank!


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That was the first convo, between Lex/Lana, and her mentioning the fact that she saw him.... ahh la nude was funny.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Lex has billions of ladies to choose from and he decides to go after lana. Remember with Guys there are two and only two rules.

1) Never date your buddies current or x girlfriend

2) Do every thing you can to hook your buddy up, be a wingman, do the leg work, etc... WITHOUT violating rule 1.


Lex broke rule 1, I have no sympathy for Lex at current situation regarding Lana.

[Stephen Robinson]

Lex has billions of ladies to choose from and he decides to go after lana. Remember with Guys there are two and only two rules.

1) Never date your buddies current or x girlfriend

2) Do every thing you can to hook your buddy up, be a wingman, do the leg work, etc... WITHOUT violating rule 1.


Lex broke rule 1, I have no sympathy for Lex at current situation regarding Lana.

******************************

Lex never pursued Lana when he and Clark were friends. In fact, he actively helped Clark in that area.

Since Clark ended their friendship with a punch in the jaw (perhaps with very good reason), Lex doesn't owe Clark anything.

[LuthorRequiem2]

" Post #7 of 27


How much more of this can Lex take before he snaps? It's no wonder he turns master villain in the future with all the needless accusations (not to mention beatdowns) he suffers on a day to day basis."

Very true. The factors you mentioned totally add to his descent to darkness. A lot of people don't feel for him because of the way he's been acting, but I still do. I may always feel bad for him, even when he's trying to destory the universe, because it's just such a tragedy that he could've been a good person.

[FotW]

I do. :( Poor Lex he just wants people to like him.

[Schfifty-five]

I loved the fact that Clark beat the crap out of Lex after his delusion!! And what Lionel said to him at the end of the episode was priceless!!! :D The look on lex's face after Lionel told him Lana could never love was the best way to end an episode!!!

[smallvillerocks45]

I didn't feel sorry for Lex until the very end (the second time that I watched the episode). I think that shows just how good of an actor Michael Rosenbaum is - to be a character who does horrible things and couldn't care less about it (i.e. Aqua), and still make people feel sorry for him looks like good acting to me.

I even felt sorry for him (says it in disbelief), when Lionel said to him "Lana will never love you..." ouch, I agree with Lionel here, but wow, that was harsh.

[margroks]

In the end, no matter how you are treated by other people, you are responsible for the way you act. And again, as I said above, Lex ahs always had an agenda. He's not just now descending into darkness; it's been there all along but now it's getting to come out to play more and more.

As for Lana, there are many examples of her selfish, maipulative behavior but everyone lets her get by with it because she's the princess of Smallville. She manipulated CLark into telling Chloe they were dating, lying through her teeth to Chloe's face when asked about it, for instance. AND...didn't I jsut mention her finding the CHloe's letter in Fever and making sure Clark didn't know Chloe still cared about him? She certainly manipulated the sitch for her own purposes there.

Lana has lied about a lot of things this year and last as well. You do recall she lied about her realtionship with Jason to everyone, even her close friends not just school authorities. If their relationsip was so great she could have revealed it to Clark or Chloe or someone else. Generally, if you keep a secret from someone it means there's something wrong with what you're doing although if you're an alien visitor and afraid someone would hurt your family and use you as a lab rat for it I think you deserve some slack for that.

[SmallvilleMan]

As for Lana, there are many examples of her selfish, maipulative behavior but everyone lets her get by with it because she's the princess of Smallville. She manipulated CLark into telling Chloe they were dating, lying through her teeth to Chloe's face when asked about it, for instance. AND...didn't I jsut mention her finding the CHloe's letter in Fever and making sure Clark didn't know Chloe still cared about him? She certainly manipulated the sitch for her own purposes there.


Ummm, no, no and no, imo. She didn't manipulate anything. CLARK, as in CLARK KENT, made a promise to be honest with chloe. So rightfully so, he should be the one to tell her. And you're saying she "manipulating" him into doing it? Huh? Why is it Lana's business to tell clark about chloe's letter? If she did that, every lana hater would be all over her for that. She has no right to show clark that letter and she didn't. Lana has NEVER manipulated anything.


Lana has lied about a lot of things this year and last as well. You do recall she lied about her realtionship with Jason to everyone, even her close friends not just school authorities. If their relationsip was so great she could have revealed it to Clark or Chloe or someone else. Generally, if you keep a secret from someone it means there's something wrong with what you're doing although if you're an alien visitor and afraid someone would hurt your family and use you as a lab rat for it I think you deserve some slack for that.

I don't recall anyone asking her if she was in a relationship with Jason. She just kept it a secret and rightfully so considering what happen. People keep secrets not just because they're something wrong, but because of fear or to protect someone.

[Watching Smallville]

I do feel sorry for Lex, but not because of the way other people treat him. I feel sorry for him because he's a victim of his own nature. He wants love and friendship from the people in his life, but he also wants things that put that love and friendship in jeopardy.

He's determined to be a figure of history. His deep knowledge of historical figures and the lessons of the past show this. He wants respect, he wants success. And he's willing to do whatever it takes to get these things for himself.

It's the "whatever it takes" aspect of his quest for knowledge, importance, pubic recognition, whatever's he's seeking, that causes all his problems. It leads him to make decisions that sabotage his quest for love and friendship.

I feel sorry for him because he has these competing priorities, and I truly believe he'd be happier if he would sacrifice a little bit of the narcissism for the sake of the friendships. But he's unable to do it. He dooms himself.

Poor Lex. :(

[SmallvilleMan]

Well said^^^^^^ Although, i can't feel bad for anyone who makes those bad choices. If you cared about love and friendship more, you'd make those sacrifices.

[margroks]

Yes she did. She pretended to be very concerned about Chloe so Clark would be the one to take the heat. AND previously, Chloe and Lana had indeed agreed to be honest and not let Clark interfere in there friendship. That plus the fact that Chloe had given her a roof over her head, saving her butt again and then asked her point blank about their relationship before Lex's wedding, where she lied about it? SHe certainly did owe Chloe the truth but Lana never wants to look bad so she waited, lied, and wanted Clark to take the heat.

THe letter...showing it to him would have probably been an invasion of her privacy although that never stopped Lana when she snooped in Chloe's computer. But then and later during the computer incident, she could have been a friend to Chloe and told Clark, as both Ryan and Pete finally did, that Chloe still has feelings for him. SHe could have helped get two people she said she cared about get together or given them the chance to work on it but she kept even the possibility Chloe still cared a secret. ah. Another secret.

Afraid, apparently, that Clark might reciprocate those feelings and that would get in the way of her own desires; Lana could never have that. Plus she might have to admit she refused to visit Clark when he was seriously ill becasue it made her feel bad and that, of course, would make Lana look bad and that , too, must be avoided at all costs. So she turned it around and told Clark how much she cared, never admitting her refusal to come to him when he needed her. Again manipulating the situation to her benefit.

Actually, perhaps Lana and Lex would be well suited for one another since they share so many unsavory traits. Though it's still disgusting that we have to have the sophisticated Lex, too, along with the rest of the galaxy, whining after Lana like she the greatest thing ever and making her the center of every thing that happens including the split between Lex and Clark. M&G should be ashamed of that. Come to think of it, maybe I do feel a bit sorry for Lex and Clark to see their characters and their friendship hinge on this selfish girl.

[FotW]

Well said. He really is a victim of himself. And of Lionel's parenting.


Originally posted by Watching Smallville
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I feel sorry for him because he has these competing priorities, and I truly believe he'd be happier if he would sacrifice a little bit of the narcissism for the sake of the friendships. But he's unable to do it. He dooms himself.

Poor Lex. :(

[Chlark828]

actually, come to think of it..i was kind of surprised to find that i was feeling sorry for lex at the end of this episode. even though lionel knows what lex is really like, he doesn't have to go and put him down right to his face when he didn't really even do anything wrong in this episode.

[SmallvilleMan]

Yes she did. She pretended to be very concerned about Chloe so Clark would be the one to take the heat. AND previously, Chloe and Lana had indeed agreed to be honest and not let Clark interfere in there friendship. That plus the fact that Chloe had given her a roof over her head, saving her butt again and then asked her point blank about their relationship before Lex's wedding, where she lied about it? SHe certainly did owe Chloe the truth but Lana never wants to look bad so she waited, lied, and wanted Clark to take the heat.


Pretended to be concerend about chloe? Pretended? So she doesn't care about chloe? Come on, she was worried about chloe, she almost didn't go out with clark because of chloe and her poor feelings. She didn't ask lana point blank if they were in a relationship, she said this, "So i assume you and Clark are going together." That doesn't sound point blank to me, point blank is this: "Are you and Clark together?" She didn't want clark to take the heat, not true at all, imo.


THe letter...showing it to him would have probably been an invasion of her privacy although that never stopped Lana when she snooped in Chloe's computer. But then and later during the computer incident, she could have been a friend to Chloe and told Clark, as both Ryan and Pete finally did, that Chloe still has feelings for him. SHe could have helped get two people she said she cared about get together or given them the chance to work on it but she kept even the possibility Chloe still cared a secret. ah. Another secre

Yeah snooping, something chloe is very familar with, especially when it comes to clark. Who says Chloe would want lana to tell Clark that? So clark could go to chloe and tell her that he has no feelings for her and loves lana. Thus getting chloe hurt again, that would have been real smart.... What? Is lana suppose to play match maker? Lana liked clark too, is she suppose to sacrifice her feelings as well as Clarks just to make chloe happy? No, Clark likes her, she knows and likes him back. Not to mention Chloe would never do the same, considering how selfish she was during that season.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I feel bad for Lex in other areas, like his dad blaming him for the death of Julian, I feel bad for Lex when he went insane and went the mental hospital. But Lex is messing with Clark's girl. No in this case you back off someone else's girlfriend. In this case, I do not have sympathy for Billionaire Lex trying to get the one thing he can't.....Lana.

[Drew]

Yeah, Lex has it rough. His dad is doing a lot to try and stop him from winning senate, he tells Lana a huge secret and she gets mad at him, and Clark is never anything but a (abusive) jerk to him.

If I was Lex I would have already been fully evil.

[Aloof]

Aww, poor Woobie! :D

[GhostRider]

Lex has turned the corner in his darkness and so I don’t feel sorry for him anymore. He’s had chances to change direction and he hasn’t taken him. I used to feel sorry for the way Lionel raised him and how Clark frequently was an asshat to him but no more.

[smallville_fetish]

I liked how the ending scene when they had the father son talk Lex was swatting in front of the fire practically stabbing it like he's thinking "DIE CLARK DIE!" and his father walks in laughing cuz he sees his beat up son wearing an arm cast, a little bandaid in the back of his head and a bruised scar on his face. And all his father said was "Those Kents sure pack a punch don't they son?" and Lex just gives him a bitter face like "what do you know old man...."

Yes we are starting to see how no ones helping Lex fight his evil side. Anything that he does in attempt to be good is laughed at and thrown back in his face than stepped on.. then ranned over and milked by GhostRider's icon and then stepped on some more before rolling in a pile of cow dung after whipping a horse's butt with it WELL YOU GET THE POINT.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"As for Lana, there are many examples of her selfish, maipulative behavior but everyone lets her get by with it because she's the princess of Smallville. She manipulated CLark into telling Chloe they were dating, lying through her teeth to Chloe's face when asked about it, for instance. AND...didn't I jsut mention her finding the CHloe's letter in Fever and making sure Clark didn't know Chloe still cared about him? She certainly manipulated the sitch for her own purposes there. "

Actually, Lana didn't manipulate Clark into telling Chloe. Clark said he wanted to tell Chloe. Lana almost wanted to call off the relationship because she was worried about Chloe so much.

As for the letter, it really wasn't her business to tell Clark. Maybe she could have talked to Chloe, and said, "hey, I saw the letter. Do you want me to tell Clark how you feel?" But she DID suggest that Chloe tell Clark to his face in an episode of the second season (I think it was "Precipice"). She said, "Why don't you tell Clark how you feel?" So I don't think Lana is manipulative. I think if she keeps secrets, it's the same reason Clark does, for others' own good.

[margroks]

I just have to disagree. Lana acted like she cared so she could get Clark to offer, but she didn't. If she did she wouldn't have dated him since, accorsing to that code many people have discussed, Chloe dated him originally and dating you friend's ex is not acceptable just for starters. Additionally, if she knew Chloe did still harbor feelings for him, she would have stepped aside or let them work it out first or at least hinted to Clark that Chloe did still have feelings for him. Not saying anything after finding the letter and pretending to be all concerned was not at all friendly. When Chloe asked her point blank, she lied and that was inexcusable. Lana is no friend when something gets in her way like this. Another one of Lana's lies when she claims she hates sectrets and lies.

As for Lex, it's obvious he's using Lana in part but he appears to have some feeling for her, inexplicable as that is. And he certainly has no qualms about his feeling for her if indeed he still has any feelings of friendship for Clark. But that whole situation, where one week they come to blows and a few weeks later Lex is acting like big brother to CLark as if it was still season one, makes no sense.

But except for the pathetic notion of making Lana the cause of the split, which does make me feel sorry for both Clark and Lex since it diminishes their friendship to just a notch on Lana's garter belt, no I think Lex must ultimately take responsibility for his actions. We all do.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am amazed at the hatred toward Lana. This was about do you feel sorry for Lex. I do not in this case as I have I said. But I am constantly amazed at how many viewers actually hate the Lana character. But love Lex. Lex is truly evil, creating weapons of mass destruction, but Lana is a typical teenage girl and so many viewers can't stand her. Its not like Lana is making a level 33.1 to combat Clark. Different strokes for Different folks, but differences in opinion amaze me.

[Watching Smallville]

I'm with you on that one.

Lex is so much fun to watch because he's so conflicted. His misdeeds are accepted because they further the development of the story and give Clark something to deal with. And it's canon. But I feel the same way about Lana. I'm not sure how I would react to her as a real person -- just like I'd stay away from someone like Lex. But in terms of her role in the story, she has a purpose. She's a force for Clark to deal with. I don't understand the hatred either. I think it has to do with people's ship preferences. But in terms of story, Lana definitely has her place. And this year, they seem to be taking that inner strength that she usually reserves for scolding people, and giving it some more productive expression.

It is interesting that we can sympathize with Lex when he's soooooo bad. ;) Just goes to show, they've portrayed his decline very well.

[SmallvilleMan]

I just have to disagree. Lana acted like she cared so she could get Clark to offer, but she didn't. If she did she wouldn't have dated him since, accorsing to that code many people have discussed, Chloe dated him originally and dating you friend's ex is not acceptable just for starters. Additionally, if she knew Chloe did still harbor feelings for him, she would have stepped aside or let them work it out first or at least hinted to Clark that Chloe did still have feelings for him. Not saying anything after finding the letter and pretending to be all concerned was not at all friendly. When Chloe asked her point blank, she lied and that was inexcusable. Lana is no friend when something gets in her way like this. Another one of Lana's lies when she claims she hates sectrets and lies.


Why should Lana have to step aside? Why can't chloe step aside? It makes ZERO SENSE, for Lana to step aside when Clark has ZERO romantic feelings toward Chloe and has actual romantic feelings for Lana. And again, CHLOE DIDN'T ASK HER POINT BLANK. SHE DIDN'T!!! She asked if they were going to the wedding together, THAT'S IT. Also, Lana didn't manipulate, unless we're going my a whole new different definition of manipulate that i don't know about.

[ma200]

Originally posted by margroks
If she did she wouldn't have dated him since, accorsing to that code many people have discussed, Chloe dated him originally and dating you friend's ex is not acceptable just for starters.

It was one date...one frickin' date and one that turned out to be a disaster. That doesn't qualify him as Chloe's ex. Also, she's the one that called off the whole dating thing and said let's be friends. Unless Clark's the one that dumped her and dated Lana, then maybe I will agree you but I don't.


Originally posted by margroks Additionally, if she knew Chloe did still harbor feelings for him, she would have stepped aside or let them work it out first or at least hinted to Clark that Chloe did still have feelings for him.

Work what out?? Once again, Chloe's the one that called it off. Lana doesn't have to do s#*% and Clark already knows that Chloe likes him. The only reason why Clark feels that he should tell her that they're dating is because Chloe is the one that suggested that they should be honest to each other which I think is incredibly stupid because who Clark dates is none of her business.


Originally posted by margroks Not saying anything after finding the letter and pretending to be all concerned was not at all friendly. When Chloe asked her point blank, she lied and that was inexcusable. Lana is no friend when something gets in her way like this. Another one of Lana's lies when she claims she hates sectrets and lies.

Lana said she was sorry and proved how sorry she was when she attempted to move out...but wait a sec, Chloe apologized for overreacting and told her to stay. So if Chloe forgives her, what are you still arguing about?

[phoephoe]

I feel sorry for Lex. Even if those were his intentions, hearing your dad say stuff like that even Lionel to Lex (although it was probably Jor-El) I thought on Lex's behalf it was sad.. however on Lionel's behalf, I giggled about the comment about not looking for a spare boyfriend.

[SmallvilleMan]

Season 1 i would have felt sorry, not season 5. If you recall Lex said something like that to chloe in Mortal.

[Sweetie]

Poor Lex.I fell sorry for him.All he wants is compation,understading and most of all...LOVE.

He's not a pervert because he wants Lana.He just wants to be love that's all.It's not a big deal but,for Lex,it's impossible because doesn't know what real love is(can't blame him,he never had the chance to be love & he never had the felling that he was wanted:family,friends).

[johnny fogg]

That was not Jor-El. Lionel was trying to make clear to Lex that he did not approve of him running for senator just to impress a girl. He wants him to pursue power for the sake of power.

Also, Lex can really rationalize most of his evil deeds.


Floor 33.1/Level 3: 'Helping' meteor freaks refine their abilities, and perhaps harnessing the sorce of their powers for other applications.

Leviathan: National defense and an end to naval warfare by dominating the sea.

The Ship: Countless discoveries for mankind and ensuring it never falls into the 'wrong' hands. (erm...)

Weapon-making: No longer researching argiculture to end hunger, because it's a hopeless cause. Weapons development benefits the company and safeguards our borders.


This stuff Lionel feeds him about the world not being black and white sort of feeds his desire to pursue bad things.

[Supersonic]

No one Lex goes mad in the future, everyone is screwing him left right and centre.

[Jlvsclrk]

I felt sorry for Lex when Lionel told him what I sincerely hope is the truth about Lana. But Lex has done some truly evil things over the last year and just because he has great personal charm doesn't mean we should look past that.

I certainly was disturbed at Lex's offer to help Clark in this episode: I don't think he does anything nowadays with at least 2 motivations - the one that will look good in the press and the one that will look good on the LuthorCorp balance sheet. Lex would love the opportunity to get Clark into one of his labs.

Lex needs to take responsibility for his own actions. Yes, things might have been different if Clark and especially Jonathan hadn't been so distrustful, but come on: his own actions constantly reinforced and deepened that distrust. Remember, even when his intentions are of the best, "LuthorCorp experiments never end well." Lex's great flaw is that he can never let anything go: if his friendship with Clark hurts him so much, he should have walked away. Certainly, he should have heeded Clark's warning at the end of Memoria that the more he and Lionel keep going at each other, the more Lex becomes like Lionel and the more people get hurt. But he didn't and now we see that the darkness has almost completely taken over.

[Scorpio31]

I don't get how age has anything to do with Lex and Lana? I mean Clark looks older then Lex, and isn't TW older then MRB? And why did they make Lex older anyway, does this have any significance?

[ma200]

Originally posted by Scorpio31
I don't get how age has anything to do with Lex and Lana? I mean Clark looks older then Lex, and isn't TW older then MRB? And why did they make Lex older anyway, does this have any significances?

This has nothing to do with age. It's the way it all happened. It's as if Lex waited for Lana to become of legal age just so she would be available to him that grosses. me. out.

[Watching Smallville]

Well, at least he waited.

[Scorpio31]

No I want to know why did they make Lex older anyway? Is it because they wanted to wait on the whole Lex/Lana/Clark thing? It doesn't gross me out one bit, since they are the same age in real life; I guess that's why it really doesn’t bother me.

[Watching Smallville]

I think Lex is older than Clark. Just like Lois is older than Clark.

[Damali]

Originally posted by Scorpio31
No I want to know why did they make Lex older anyway? Is it because they wanted to wait on the whole Lex/Lana/Clark thing? It doesn't gross me out one bit, since they are the same age in real life; I guess that's why it really doesn’t bother me.


Not sure why Lex is older then Clark or Lana, but I would assume that Lex has always been slightly older in the comics and in the movies.

On the show, Lex is about 5-6 years older then Clark and Lana.

When the show began Lex was 21, and the scooby gang were all either 15 or 16, but Lana had her sweet 16 birthday during S1.

[johnny fogg]

Lana is supposedly a good good goody person, and Lex's human side is still really turned on by that for whatever reason. Also, Lex has a history of stealing chicks from guys he deems too unworthy for them, and he got impatient seeing Clark squander his chances with her.

Not to mention he like bruenettes because he never got closure with his unstable mom. As Spike would say, she was a hammersack.