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superhippie2000

11-10-2005, 07:35 PM

ya u kind of feel bad for lex cause thats his dad and no one would want to hear that from a parent. im also kind of confused about why lionel wouldnt want lex to win cause isnt lionel just as bad as lex and could care less about people. if he stats wanting whats best does that mean its jor el still using lionels body and using his thoughts.

KalLover07

11-10-2005, 07:40 PM

Papa Luthor was dishing out the tough love tonight.

MarkAllan22

11-10-2005, 07:49 PM

I thought that convo, and that last line, kinda foreshadowed Lex killing Lionel.:\

KalLover07

11-10-2005, 07:52 PM

i think we've all gotten paranoid.

SmvilleTeacher

11-10-2005, 08:23 PM

That scene and line was great. It really brings out that Lex's feelings for Lana are very real and a forshadowing of things to come such as we will probably see in Lexmas.

~Angel07~

11-10-2005, 09:36 PM

i felt soooo bad for lex when his father said that to him. then when they showed lex's face, i think he looked soooo dissappointed :(

i definitely think it was foreshadowing the thing that will happen later in the season

Lana_Lang #1

11-10-2005, 09:39 PM

My heart too went out to Lex! Poor Guy! Can't catch a break!

Happy Random

11-10-2005, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by KalLover07
i think we've all gotten paranoid.

It's the Silver K, what can we say? ;)

I agree that that was foreshadowing something between him and Lionel, and it made me come up with this theory.

I think that somehow, Lex will have something to do with killing Lionel, who is possesed by Jor-el, and that will be the person close to Clark that he loses. That way, it pushes Clark to defend those in need, it pushes Lex farther down the dark side, and it helps them both on the way to their eventual destinies in Metropolis. Just my two cents anyway. :)

Mr.Bond

11-10-2005, 09:47 PM

Ha, Lionel was AWESOME!

Sorry Lex but the TRUTH Hurts!!

aqua

11-10-2005, 09:48 PM

I was kind of happy. :)

Danelle

11-10-2005, 09:53 PM

That line was so sad! My heart went out for Lex, too...but I still don't like the idea of Lexana! He needs to accept it and get off her! Liking Lana is a waste of his very valuable time! :P

lexs&os

11-10-2005, 09:55 PM

yea, that was kinda harsh....

MOOman0618

11-10-2005, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by lexs&os
yea, that was kinda harsh....

It was pretty harsh, but it reminded me of the old Lionel that I miss.

rx7g3n3s1s

11-10-2005, 10:11 PM

lex got owned...lionel should do it again! =D

surfer

11-10-2005, 10:12 PM

I kind of interperted what Lionel said different. It was tough love and on the cruel side but did give Lex some good advice. I though Lionel said you can try to change how people percieve you but people can always tell what's in your heart.

So Lex can only win Lana's heart, if he changes who he really is rather than change how Lana percieves him. I thought it was actually good advice from Lionel. Embrace your darkness and stop pretending your a good guy or actually change into a good guy.

Oh well. that's how I got it. I bet Lionel just wants Lex to be evil anyways and wants to eradicate this pursuit of good for Lana.

LuthorRequiem2

11-10-2005, 10:18 PM

"if he stats wanting whats best does that mean its jor el still using lionels body and using his thoughts." I had that same question, but I don't think Jor-El would care enough about Lex to give him advice on Lana. I don't think Jor-El sees Lana as part of the big picture, or Lex, really (unless he knows who Lex is destined to become in the future). So, I don't see what real motive Jor-El would have to give Lex love advice and political advice. I think that was definitely Lionel. What's confusing me is if Lionel's good, evil, or somewhere in between? Maybe he just doesn't want Lex to become more powerful than he was. That's the TRUE Lionel's thinking. :)

DawnFire

11-10-2005, 10:23 PM

What Lionel said to Lex at the end was totally cold. But true.

BBBUUURRRNNN!!!!!

pcruz5

11-10-2005, 10:42 PM

do parents actually lay down that kind of tough love?.... cuz from my experience no NEVER....

cotton candy girl

11-10-2005, 11:14 PM

Yes! Lionel told it like it is!

sunshine1973

11-11-2005, 06:39 AM

Lionel was really harsh but TRUTHFUL here with Lex.

Heck the truth isn't always beautiful or painless..IMAO and Lionel telled it like it/was

norman619

11-11-2005, 06:50 AM

It sounds like I missed an episode. Did Lionel ever recover from the effects of switching bodies with Clark? I wasn't aware that he ever did. I thought he was still essentially good. I took that scene to be a good father trying to knock some sense into his hard headed son. Trying to get him to think with his head not his heart. It was a sad scene. I liked how in the beginning in Fine's class he summed up the Lex/Clark relstionship by explaing Brutus and Ceaser, Jesus and Judas, and so on. It was cool.

Originally posted by superhippie2000
ya u kind of feel bad for lex cause thats his dad and no one would want to hear that from a parent. im also kind of confused about why lionel wouldnt want lex to win cause isnt lionel just as bad as lex and could care less about people. if he stats wanting whats best does that mean its jor el still using lionels body and using his thoughts.

johnny fogg

11-11-2005, 06:54 AM

Heavy-handed scene, but Lionel is trying to get Lex to wake up and realize he can't afford to care about people thinking he's good. He tells him to his face that he's rotten to the core and will never have close relationships. Ouch, especially for a guy who thought everybody hated him since he lost his hair.

But I guess Lex never shakes that obsession with his image since he's a bigshot philanthropist in the future. I like seeing Lex torn between being a desire to be good and evil. It's very canon.:D

LuthorRequiem2

11-11-2005, 11:11 AM

"It sounds like I missed an episode. Did Lionel ever recover from the effects of switching bodies with Clark? "

Yeah, in an episode titled "Onyx" Lex got split into two different sides-his good and evil side. His evil side tied up his good side, and did a bunch of villainous stuff, including sword-fighting Lionel. He got into Lionel's head by saying, "Was your transformation to a good man true, or is there something else deep down inside you, Dad, screaming in your gut, ready to be free again", or something along those lines. Then Lionel gets angry, and we can tell from his face that what Lex said was true-the dark side is still there. Lionel decides to give up in the end, and says, "A man can't deny his true nature, can he, Lex? No. We're Luthors."

Schfifty-five

11-11-2005, 11:20 AM

Loved it and don't feel sorry for Lex at all!!! :D

FotW

11-11-2005, 11:27 AM

Exactly. Which is why I think the only reason Lionel wants Lex to feel hated and alone is because he believes the desire to be loved and accepted is a weakness.
He's always indicated that Lex was weak for caring about others or caring what others thought about him.
I don't think he was giving him good advice at all, unless it was advice on how to be a supervillian. :lol:

Originally posted by LuthorRequiem2
"It sounds like I missed an episode. Did Lionel ever recover from the effects of switching bodies with Clark? "

Yeah, in an episode titled "Onyx" Lex got split into two different sides-his good and evil side. His evil side tied up his good side, and did a bunch of villainous stuff, including sword-fighting Lionel. He got into Lionel's head by saying, "Was your transformation to a good man true, or is there something else deep down inside you, Dad, screaming in your gut, ready to be free again", or something along those lines. Then Lionel gets angry, and we can tell from his face that what Lex said was true-the dark side is still there. Lionel decides to give up in the end, and says, "A man can't deny his true nature, can he, Lex? No. We're Luthors."

SmallvilleMan

11-11-2005, 11:30 AM

Lionel has a way with words.... But it's always the harsh truth. The fact is lana will never love lex and he lex knows it. Which is why he didn't say anything, because he knew lionel was telling the truth.

freddielm

11-11-2005, 11:48 AM

I didn't think what he said was harsh @ all. Lionel was just speaking the truth, Lana will never love Lex plain and simple.

SmallvilleMan

11-11-2005, 11:51 AM

Ever hear the expression, "the truth hurts."? Yeah, it was harsh, telling someone that someone they love will never love them, is like a dagger.

johnny fogg

11-11-2005, 12:03 PM

I like reminders that Lex wants deeply to be good. Lex wants to be a noble politician and win Lana's admiration. How boyish. Lionel gives him a verbal slap in the face so he'll wake up and be an evil badass like Luthors are supposed to!

Ha! If you think about it, he's giving back the favor Lex gave him when he convinced him to be evil again in Onyx!:D

Stephen Robinson

11-11-2005, 12:09 PM

Lionel is hard to figure out and has been since ONYX. I'm not sure he's the Uber-Villain Lionel anymore. For one thing, he's made no play for LuthorCorp. And he has been actively trying to help Lex (during the whole stone debacle). I think he does love his son but is giving him "tough love." "This isn't about helping people or the better good -- it's about you."

FotW

11-11-2005, 12:14 PM

Yes. I guess Lionel did have a point. What is Lex thinking? He should know better than to want Clark Kent's life ( his parents, his girlfriend etc). He is a Luthor after all, meant for so much more and superior to the common Smallville folk, in Lionel's eyes.
Speaking of "Onyx" Lionel wants Lex to be like Alexander was! He was so proud of the evil clone Lex. That was the son he always wanted.

Originally posted by johnny fogg
I like reminders that Lex wants deeply to be good. Lex wants to be a noble politician and win Lana's admiration. How boyish. Lionel gives him a verbal slap in the face so he'll wake up and be an evil badass like Luthors are supposed to!

Ha! If you think about it, he's giving back the favor Lex gave him when he convinced him to be evil again in Onyx!:D

All about Clark

11-11-2005, 12:16 PM

Lionel still has some goodness in him from Clark in Transference. In Onyx Lionel says we're Luthors, then said something about can't deny your true nature and the error in his ways, meaning Lionel was wrong for wanting Lex this way, which he is still trying to convey. It was tough love, but Lex needed it.

I think TPTB after Lexmas will have Lex be good a little longer before the big dive. What do you think?

Watching Smallville

11-11-2005, 12:17 PM

Brutal, brutal. Really taunting Lex.

I'm not sure what Lionel's trying to achieve with his comments (Those Kent's sure do pack a punch, don't they?) during this scene. Is he trying to provoke Lex to some action, shake him into reality, or toughen him up? I'm not sure. And is it Lionel speaking, or Lion-El?

Aloof

11-11-2005, 12:24 PM

Poor Lex! Now he has to work twice as hard to win Lana. Aww. :(

johnny fogg

11-11-2005, 12:37 PM

Lex might actually have had a future with Lana if he hadn't kept his attraction hidden, which is probably why he resents Clark and wants her to himself now.

I think Lex was charasmatic and kind long ago but his cruel and greedy streak has jeopardized his chances with Lana, or anyone else for that matter.:(

GhostRider

11-11-2005, 12:43 PM

I think it was less about Lana and more about what's in his heart, that being darkness. This is bigger than just Lana. He will just not get her, he won't get any woman like her because sooner or later they'll see the part of himself which he hides, that bad part. Lex is trying to use the election to change the way people perceive him but he wasn't changing who he really is and that was what Lionel was pointing out. As for why, I’m not sure. I’m not certain what Lionel’s intentions now.

Summers

11-11-2005, 12:52 PM

I kinda think Lionel's words will just burn more fuel to the fire. Lex loves to prove Lionel wrong, and always will. It's kinda like a drive for him. After seeing what he is going to see in "Lexmas" that drive may increase further, and he may actually prove himself to Lana. This will delay Lex becoming full evil (if there is a next season), and Lexana sharing two secrets from Clark may make them even "Closer".

These works could be the catalyst of what is to come IMO.

johnny fogg

11-11-2005, 12:59 PM

Lionel's subpolts are shallow and non-resolving of late. I would not advise anyone expect some deep agenda from him. He's doing what he says: protecting the world from Lex's potentially power-mad lunacy by stopping him in this one election.

Too bad it's character-contradicting and simple-minded. But I guess that doesn't matter sicne they may just kil him off.:mad:

KristinIsAwesome

11-11-2005, 01:16 PM

See what bothers me is that now that Lionel has said that, Lex will double his efforts, which may ultimately lead to the breakup between Clark and Lana. Im a big Clana fan and really not a big fan of Lexana.

Also, I dont know how Lana could go from not trusting him, not wanting to speak to him, and dont forget "mortal" where he put ur life on the line to find info about Clark, to falling in love with him.

So in conclusion.. I feel like if Lionel didnt say that, things would just unfolded normally, but now Lex has got one more thing to prove....... and this is gonna bother the hell outta me.

Aloof

11-11-2005, 02:00 PM

I think he's going to try and use her some way. He's building up her trust again so he can catch her when she's at her weakest.

All about Clark

11-11-2005, 02:06 PM

Clark may never have fully disclosed what Lex did in Mortal, maybe so she wouldn't be scared.

I do think Lex will double his efforts though.

I still think Lionel is somewhat good, and wants his son to change, but does not know the right way to go about it.

twelfthnight1

11-11-2005, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Slytherin Princess
my heart went out to lex, right there. :(
It was devastating. My heart absolutely broke for him. I'm still hoping that it was only said because Lana will love Lex. She does know his heart and unlike everyone else, she sees the good. Poor Lex. His face!

supergurl88

11-11-2005, 02:43 PM

that was harsh

freddielm

11-11-2005, 02:52 PM

The truth hurts, yeah, but that doesn't mean the person that's saying it is being harsh.

twelfthnight1

11-11-2005, 02:59 PM

The truth hurts, yeah, but that doesn't mean the person that's saying it is being harsh.
But he is, don't you think? He's trying to hurt Lex in the worst way and to do so, he brings in Lana. Lionel knows how Lex feels about her and his intent was to punch Lex out. He didn't have to say that. Why'd he say that? Only to make Lex feel worse and it worked because of how important Lana is to him. It was awful.

LuthorRequiem2

11-11-2005, 04:00 PM

"Exactly. Which is why I think the only reason Lionel wants Lex to feel hated and alone is because he believes the desire to be loved and accepted is a weakness.
He's always indicated that Lex was weak for caring about others or caring what others thought about him.
I don't think he was giving him good advice at all, unless it was advice on how to be a supervillian. "

Good theory. That's kinda what I thought too.

umm

11-11-2005, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by KalLover07
Papa Luthor was dishing out the tough love tonight.

It was about time! Lex deserved it! What that boy, and I do mean a boy, needs, is some tough loving! Everbody is so forgiving with Lex, Clark has given him a thousend ´second chances´, Lana has been turning a blind eye more and more, the only one who sees Lex for who he really is and has been for a long time, is Chloe, but she isn´t strong enough to deal with Lex on her own!
Now, Braniac could, if he had a wish to teach Lex a lesson or two, but he doesn´t!
If Smallville had a character like Cordy from Angel whose mere words were enough to cut a man below his knees and keep him on the ground, then that would have been great! But there is no such character, maybe Lois, but she is just a pale copy of Cordy´s power!

Mydhrin

11-11-2005, 04:22 PM

I just LOVED the speech Lionel gave to Lex, it was AWESOME! In your face LEX!

jaime,oburg

11-11-2005, 04:24 PM

I rarely feel bad for Lex but I did feel sorry for the guy, after he just got the $hit kicked out of him his dad has to give him that emotional while your down kick too. Harsh. He really did look like a broken/beaten man. Great acting MR!

lynelle

11-11-2005, 04:29 PM

Well, it was a tough and harsh thing to hear. But we all know that it's most probably only going to accomplish the opposite, instead of deterring Lex where Lana is concerned, he will probably go after her more. Sad but there it is. But I don't mind much anymore, it's all going to end in tales of woe for pretty much everyone anyway, so let's just get on with it.

norman619

11-19-2005, 07:33 AM

Come onIF lionel was the same lod bad guy again he would have been MUCH more harsh. His advice was the sound direct advice of a father that knows his son all too well and knows this is the only way to get to him.

Black & White

11-19-2005, 08:14 AM

I really like Lex, it's one of my favourite characters, but HE CAN'T GET ALL HE WANTS, and Lana won't love him, she might feel attracted but never love him as much as she loves Clark right now. Lionel said the truth and it's better if Lex faces it.

Sweetie

11-19-2005, 04:35 PM

Lionel always been extremely hard with his son once again it was the case.But,any Lionel & Lex's scene is worth watching:rolleyes:

umm

11-19-2005, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by lynelle
Well, it was a tough and harsh thing to hear. But we all know that it's most probably only going to accomplish the opposite, instead of deterring Lex where Lana is concerned, he will probably go after her more. Sad but there it is. But I don't mind much anymore, it's all going to end in tales of woe for pretty much everyone anyway, so let's just get on with it.

That´s because he is soo stubborn!
And you are right, it´s sad, but also very pathetic!
I mean, there is so many things Lex could be doing during the time he spends obsessing over Lana and scheming how to win her over!
I´ll say it once again, Lionel wasn´t harsh enough with Lex, but sadly even if he was harsher with his son, it wouldn´t have stopped Lex from going after Lana. Lex is just too stubborn for his own good!
And as far as love is concerned, that stubborness will only bring him nothing but disappointment, pain and emotional scars!

MyOwnSuperhero

11-21-2005, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by twelfthnight1
But he is, don't you think? He's trying to hurt Lex in the worst way and to do so, he brings in Lana. Lionel knows how Lex feels about her and his intent was to punch Lex out. He didn't have to say that. Why'd he say that? Only to make Lex feel worse and it worked because of how important Lana is to him. It was awful.

I don't think that Lionel's motives were in any way hurtful. I think he's truly concerned for his son and the direction he's going in, and tried to help Lex see it by showing how the darkness that was consuming him was immediately effecting the things he cares most about. If Lionel's advice isn't enough to bring Lex around, maybe he'll change for Lana.