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Summers

11-09-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Skywalker
Who voted for Jar Jar? :lol:

Anyway, I think you guys know who I voted for. :cool:

:lol:

I love your avater :D.

Originally posted by k18
well Jar Jar has gotten about 8% of the votes. I'm surprised somebody voted for him, wonder who. I voted for Anakin as I said above. I'm still siding with Lucas on this one.

Maybe the Emperor is here, and swayed the vote for Jar Jar.

ah, but GL said many things quite differently during the times of the originals and after them that showed Luke as the Chosen One. Present Day GL contradicts Back In The Day GL. Hmmm..it's not as simple as it once was lol.

k18

11-09-2005, 03:00 PM

It probably was the Emperor! lol

I guess the "chosen one" interpretation can go either way. There are ones who will stick to the originals and ones who believe more in the prequels. I love the originals, but after seeing the prequels, it did make sense to me as to why GL would say Anakin is the Chosen one. He may not be the perfect role model as the one to bring the force back to balance but he did get the job done at the end with the help of Luke. I will give Luke much credit to what he did and how he helped Anakin, but I will remain allegiant to GL.

Summers

11-09-2005, 03:11 PM

I'm allegiant to the GL back in the day when he said SW was just one story that consisted of three movies lol.

It has nothing to do with being the perfect role model. That is really not the issue IMO. To some it is, but not to me. With what I read from GL and the expanded universe (in which he gave canon to) Luke is the Chosen One IMO.

ETA: It's definitely open to interpretation, and not as simple.

Magus

11-09-2005, 03:22 PM

This isn't even a question. Anakin is the chosen one. And if u want to make a serious poll about the chosen one, don't put Jar Jar in it. It just makes it silly.

Summers

11-09-2005, 03:29 PM

Actually it's an interpretative question, and one that is highly debated in the SW fanbase. Because of the issues of canon and Lucas' contradictions. Jar Jar is just a joke :lol:.

PETER WEST

11-09-2005, 04:01 PM

Like I said before the Role Of "The Chosen One" for fans is based "On A Certain Point Of View."

Some Fans Believe - Luke Is {"The Chosen One"}.

Other fans Believe - Anakin Is {"The Chosen One"}.

luthorsmentor

11-09-2005, 04:34 PM

my vote goes to Luke though I can play devils advocate for either side. when you go beyond the movies though there really isn't a question that Luke is The Chosen one.

k18

11-09-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Magus
This isn't even a question. Anakin is the chosen one. And if u want to make a serious poll about the chosen one, don't put Jar Jar in it. It just makes it silly.

Well actually it is a question. Not everyone believes Anakin is the chosen one and they have their valid opinions. It's open to interpretation and I just wanted to see what what their opinions are.

Plus, there's no harm in adding a little humor. Of course no one believes Jar Jar is the Chosen one. I just wanted to add something funny. Not everything has to be so serious.

Summers

11-09-2005, 05:05 PM

I think it is a riot that Jar got a vote :rotfl:.

luthorsmentor

11-09-2005, 05:38 PM

i found it quite difficult not to vote for jar jar. i could feel the pull of the dark side telling me to cast for jar jar, luckily the light pulled through though.

k18

11-09-2005, 05:41 PM

So I guess you successfully resisted temptation of the dark side. Good job!

Summers

11-09-2005, 06:12 PM

See the Emperor is trying to sway the vote just like in EP2 :lol:.

Backward Galaxy

11-09-2005, 07:12 PM

GL says Anakin. So, Anakin it is.

Summers

11-09-2005, 11:07 PM

I thought this avater I found just would fit this thread perfectly. Now, it's all in good fun okay lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/thchosenone.gif

Ben: He was our last hope.
Yoda: No, there is another :D

LexLuthorMetropolis

11-09-2005, 11:09 PM

Classic avi.

I'm going with that one then.

Summers

11-09-2005, 11:11 PM

Leia does rock :D.

SWJaggy

11-10-2005, 06:22 AM

I'm going with Anakin. And if you've seen the special features from the ROTS DVD, Lucas does go on to mention that Anakin is the chosen one.

I see no reason to debate this any longer since the fact is all ready known.

PETER WEST

11-10-2005, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Summers

Ben: He was our last hope.
Yoda: No, there is another :D

You know, I rewatch that part and Ben Kenobi was right, Luke was The Last Hope for The Galaxy. Since He was the only one that had the training to become a Jedi. Leia had no training.

k18

11-10-2005, 07:50 AM

Now that's a great avatar Summers. Love it when Vader is shown.

Summers

11-10-2005, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by SWJaggy
I'm going with Anakin. And if you've seen the special features from the ROTS DVD, Lucas does go on to mention that Anakin is the chosen one.

I see no reason to debate this any longer since the fact is all ready known.

If you look at the old previous interviews by Lucas he says Luke is the Chosen One, and he made the books canon which emphasized more that Luke is the Chosen one.

There is no fact that is already known because we are using Lucas from two time periods. Because of Lucas contradictions he made both Skywalkers Chosen. He altered the storyline to his liking, and he forgot the logic of it all and the foundation he made in the originals. This is not black and white issue, but an interpretative one.

Originally posted by PETER WEST
You know, I rewatch that part and Ben Kenobi was right, Luke was The Last Hope for The Galaxy. Since He was the only one that had the training to become a Jedi. Leia had no training.

Actually Ben was wrong (like he was on so many things). Yoda was right. Training really has nothing to do with it. Training just hones your abilities and understanding of the Force that is all. If Luke failed, then Leia would be next in line and Yoda knew this. Training is a small variable in this. Leia is a Skywalker, and the next plan against Vadar. RoTJ emphasized this.

Also remember just because Leia did not have the training as the Jedi her Force ablities are still there. She was the only one that knew her son Jacen was still alive. Just as she did with Luke in ESB, and RoTJ. The fact she had the Force is what made her a threat aganist Palpatine and Vadar which is why they hide Leia as well under a different name. Luke was not the last hope, but one of two hopes to save the galaxy. Which is why what Yoda said was so important. The catch is Luke was destined to do what he is to do is all. I do think Leia is important, but she was not destined for what Luke is suppose to do.

Originally posted by k18
Now that's a great avatar Summers. Love it when Vader is shown.

I love it. I thought the ending of the avi was great lol. Plus any cute shot of young Anakin is just too cute.

btw, love your avater :).

k18

11-10-2005, 09:19 AM

Thanks Summers, love my avatar too!

I totally agree with you with the whole interpretative thing. There is no fact that either one is the Chosen one. In my opinion, it's Anakin. In yours, it's Luke. That's the reason I made this thread. To see who thinks who the chosen one is and why. There is no black and white to this issue and it's left to audience to figure it out. That's what I love about this whole debate. As long as you can back up your answer, your opinion is as valid as the next person's.

Summers

11-10-2005, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by k18
Thanks Summers, love my avatar too!

I totally agree with you with the whole interpretative thing. There is no fact that either one is the Chosen one. In my opinion, it's Anakin. In yours, it's Luke. That's the reason I made this thread. To see who thinks who the chosen one is and why. There is no black and white to this issue and it's left to audience to figure it out. That's what I love about this whole debate. As long as you can back up your answer, your opinion is as valid as the next person's.

Word. Totally agree :D. That's why love this debate there is evidence of validity on both side :).

PETER WEST

11-10-2005, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Summers
If you look at the old previous interviews by Lucas he says Luke is the Chosen One, and he made the books canon which emphasized more that Luke is the Chosen one.

There is no fact that is already known because we are using Lucas from two time periods. Because of Lucas contradictions he made both Skywalkers Chosen. He altered the storyline to his liking, and he forgot the logic of it all and the foundation he made in the originals. This is not black and white issue, but an interpretative one.

Excatly, Lucas said before he made The Prequel's That Luke was The Main Hero of (STAR WARS saga) Who brought Peace & Freedom to The Galaxy. And many of The Books (Both The different ROTJ Novel's & EU books) Which Lucas aproved says the samething.

He also said Luke was a character kids could look up to as a good Role model . You can't really say that about Anakin .

He said so many stuff

Just like Lucas said the whole story of Star Wars is about Darth Vader(Which is not true). The Story Of STAR WARS is & always will be about The Skywalker Family. The story revoles around them.

It began with Anakin it continues with Luke.

Summers

11-10-2005, 11:11 AM

Lucas says so many things that contradict what he said earlier :(. It's also one of the reasons the prequels aren't really loved by many veteran fans.

k18

11-10-2005, 11:44 AM

I guess all the fans are split. The veterans love the originals, but for the younger generation, we grew up with the prequels.

Originally posted by Summers
Word. Totally agree :D. That's why love this debate there is evidence of validity on both side :).

Double Word. :cool:

Summers

11-10-2005, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by k18
I guess all the fans are split. The veterans love the originals, but for the younger generation, we grew up with the prequels.

I seen that sometimes. My sisters are a rarity they love the originals a little bit more than prequels for various reasons. I had no influence over their opinion except for showing them the movies lol.

wesley_wyndam_pryce

11-10-2005, 02:26 PM

Anakin.
I don't know if anyone said this, but Anakin caused all of the jedi's deaths. So in the end there was only 2 trained Jedi (Obi-Wan and Yoda. And like always there were only 2 sith (Papalitine and Vader). That brought balance to the force, which is what the prophecy said. Also the prophecy never said it would be a good thing that balance came to the force.

Summers

11-10-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by wesley_wyndam_pryce
Also the prophecy never said it would be a good thing that balance came to the force.

Now this is an interesting point no matter who the Chosen One is. Hmmm..that's an interesting point that makes one think lol.

PETER WEST

11-10-2005, 03:48 PM

I don't know if anyone said this, but Anakin caused all of the jedi's deaths.

Yes , and He also killed Younglines (little children). The guy was going to become a father, and to save his wife's life.(Which in the end , he didn't.) He was willing to kill young inocent Children

The prophecy said The Chosen One would Destory The Sith and Bring Balance to The Force .

It never said To Destory The Jedi . It said "DESTROY THE SITH".

So in the end there was only 2 trained Jedi (Obi-Wan and Yoda. And like always there were only 2 sith (Papalitine and Vader).That brought balance to the force, which is what the prophecy said.

The prophecy said The "Chosen One" would Destory The Sith. (as long as The Sith remained (Sidious) & {Vader}. The Force was not Balanced.

Also the prophecy never said it would be a good thing that balance came to the force.

Now Obi-Wan in ROTS. Told Anakin/Vader

Obi-Wan : "You were the chosen one! It was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them ... bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!"

That being said, The prophecy (was ment to be a good thing. Not a bad.)

k18

11-10-2005, 03:53 PM

But Anakin is still the chosen one because he did destroy the sith at the end. So the prophecy was right and Ben and Qui-Gon were correct in saying that Anakin was the chosen one because he did destroy the Sith at the end. It's just that it was unfortunate that he took so long to do it.

Summers

11-10-2005, 03:56 PM

As Yoda said the prophecy could be misinterpreted on both counts:
-to destory the Sith
-Anakin is the Chosen One

PETER WEST

11-10-2005, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by k18
But Anakin is still the chosen one because he did destroy the sith at the end. So the prophecy was right and Ben and Qui-Gon were correct in saying that Anakin was the chosen one because he did destroy the Sith at the end. It's just that it was unfortunate that he took so long to do it.

Anakin didn't do it alone, Luke help. Anakin had become a Sith, and The only reason Anakin Returned was because of Luke .

Luke Destoryed Darth Vader, bringing back Anakin.

Who then Destoryed Sidious .

But if Luke didn't confront Vader and beat him. (The Galaxy would still be in Darkness).

kia

11-11-2005, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by k18
I guess all the fans are split. The veterans love the originals, but for the younger generation, we grew up with the prequels.

Well, The thing is that I grew up with the original Star Wars Trilogy and I can't really see how Luke can be the chosen one.

The chosen one is supposed to a) bring Balance to the force and b) destroy the sith.

Did Luke do any of those?

You have to admit, The force WAS balanced at the end of Ep III. Two good jedis and two bad jedis (as opposed to lots of good against two bad).

Now as to who is more valiant, who is more corageous, who is the better jedi, who is the better roll model, well Luke wins hands down. The stuff he accomplishes, the things he does are nothing short of amazing. Luke just might be the best Jedi of all time. But as the chosen one, Well Luke doesn't meet any of the prerequisites.

Shadowknight

11-12-2005, 09:52 PM

Wow, I am a major Star Wars nerd and I didint find this thread. Luke is, without a doubt, I read the scripts for the un-done episodes 7, 8, and 9. And in them, Luke finds the heart of the dark side, yes, the Dark side itself, and destroys it. Thus ending the Balance, so yeah, Luke is

Summers

11-12-2005, 10:07 PM

Awesome. I didn't know that trivia on the scripts :D.

k18

11-12-2005, 10:38 PM

Whoa, Jar Jar has 3 votes! That's pretty funny.

Lexgirl33

11-14-2005, 02:21 PM

In the end...Luke Skywalker.

dreamer551

11-14-2005, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Slade
Anakin

Dozens of Jedi b4 Vader and approx. 2 Sith.

2 Jedi - Yoda and Obi-Wan and 2 sith - Emperor and Vader after Anakin makes the move to the darkside.

Pretty simple.

this is pointed out in novelization of ROTS.

AWESOME BOOK!!!!

Skywalker

11-15-2005, 01:27 AM

2 Jedi - Yoda and Obi-Wan and 2 sith - Emperor and Vader after Anakin makes the move to the darkside.

Pretty simple.

Even though thats true, that doesnt balance the force. Sith create imbalance, Jedi maintain it. So as long as there are Sith alive, Sidius and Vader in this case, the Force stays unbalanced.

k18

11-15-2005, 07:19 AM

yeah but it was already unbalanced when the Jedi thought the Sith were no more (like in Episode I) and it was just the Jedi. That's why it was so easy for the Sith to work under the radar without the Jedi knowing. I think there was an unbalance to the force when there was just the Jedi.

Summers

11-15-2005, 09:06 AM

Well, Palpatine already unbalanced because EP1 is when his plan was beginning. So not really.

k18

11-15-2005, 11:18 AM

yeah but there can't be good without evil They need each other in order for both to survive. And Palpatine didn't really strike until episode 3 so episode 1 and 2 had unbalanced force and was shifted to the good side. Even prior to episode 1, there was unbalance in the force.

Shadowknight

11-15-2005, 11:52 AM

I already pointed out Luke destroyed the Dark Side in episode 9. Thus no more Sith, ever, no more Dark Side, ever. No more imbalance, ever, Luke is, not Anakin, Plain and simple

k18

11-15-2005, 01:11 PM

But that is an inbalance if there is no dark side. Good can not function without evil. Good is nothing without evil There is always going to be evil in the world so if there is no evil and Luke defeated it, he therefore caused an inbalance. And is there an episode 9? If you mean the novels, then aren't they just branched out from the orginial trilogy? There actually are episodes 7, 8, and 9? I've never heard of it.

Summers

11-15-2005, 02:04 PM

He means from the actual script it says that Luke took it all out. It says it within the scripts. There are so many contradictions the prequels have caused it is just sad.

k18

11-15-2005, 02:40 PM

So there were scripts for episodes 7, 8, and 9? Why didn't they make them? I would have liked to see more Star Wars films featuring Luke and co.

LexLuthorMetropolis

11-15-2005, 02:52 PM

Lucas had mentioned them as a joke. So as far as we know at the moment there aren't any.

Summers

11-15-2005, 04:15 PM

Scripts as a screenplay. What was written in those episodes. All it is is just retelling what the movie was about. The originals, EU, and Lucas himself said Luke was the Chosen One.

Daphne

11-15-2005, 06:25 PM

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KryptonChick

11-17-2005, 11:45 AM

Who on earth would doubt it's Anakin!?

1. Lucas says Anakin IS the Chosen One.
2. It is Anakin/Vader who ultimately kills the Emperor, NOT Luke.
3. You crack me up by putting Jar Jar here :p :lol: ..if u mean who's the Chosen One TO KILL, for most Star Wars fan is def Jar Jar, so he would win hands down ;) :rotfl:

Summers

11-17-2005, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by KryptonChick
Who on earth would doubt it's Anakin!?

1. Lucas says Anakin IS the Chosen One.
2. It is Anakin/Vader who ultimately kills the Emperor, NOT Luke.
3. You crack me up by putting Jar Jar here :p :lol: ..if u mean who's the Chosen One TO KILL, for most Star Wars fan is def Jar Jar, so he would win hands down ;) :rotfl:

Because the contradictions.

1. Lucas also said Luke IS the Chosen One as well long before the prequels existed. And the expanded Universe further states it is.
2. Without Luke's faith, determination, and love the Emperor will not be dead ;).

I don't how many times many of us have to say this over and over again.

KryptonChick

11-17-2005, 12:36 PM

Well in recent interviews Lucas has said the Chosen One is Anakin, and even if Anakin/Vader's compassion for Luke is what ultimately helps with the end of the Emperor, it's Anakin who does it..it's his destiny to fullfill. He was redeemed by his children.

After watching ROTS and really seeing how powerful Palpatine is, the reality for me is that Luke would have never been able to destroy the Emperor on his own. Only Vader (The Chosen One) would be able to do it.

Just because "many" people say it doesnt make it true ;) .. take a look at "The Chosen One" featurette on the ROTS DVD :)

Summers

11-17-2005, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by KryptonChick
Well in recent interviews Lucas has said the Chosen One is Anakin, and even if Anakin/Vader's compassion for Luke is what ultimately helps with the end of the Emperor, it's Anakin who does it..it's his destiny to fullfill. He was redeemed by his children.

After watching ROTS and really seeing how powerful Palpatine is, the reality for me is that Luke would have never been able to destroy the Emperor on his own. Only Vader (The Chosen One) would be able to do it.

Just because "many" people say it doesnt make it true ;)

Well, there are many interviews that has Luke as the Chosen One including the expanded universe. He altered his own story's mythology in the prequels. Kinda makes his crediblitiy less valid as time goes back.

He altered his mythology foundation in the prequels. The whole saga is on wobbyly foundation. RoTS doesn't change that.

Uh, that goes both ways ;).

KryptonChick

11-17-2005, 01:11 PM

Go watch "The Chosen One" featurette on the ROTS DVD .. It's clear there that Lucas considers Anakin to be the chosen one, not Luke.

So the creator of the saga's opinion doesnt count?! :eek:

Summers

11-17-2005, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by KryptonChick

Just because "many" people say it doesnt make it true ;) .. take a look at "The Chosen One" featurette on the ROTS DVD :)

I saw it. I'm not a SW fanatic for nothing :lol:.

Take a look at the originals before the prequels came out, and I saw that featurette. Why don't you think Lucas is loved and hated at the same time in his own fanbase? He stomped on, backpeddled, and contradicted all he said and done in the originals. The Expanded Universe is canon as well, and it shows as each book comes out Luke is the Chosen One.

It's not a black and white issue. It's one of the most debated topics in the SW fanbase.

Originally posted by KryptonChick

So the creator of the saga's opinion doesnt count?! :eek:

The creator of the Saga is uncredible. He changed his opinions twice in the past 20 years. He changed his opinion because of the prequels. It's a marketing tool for his new movies.

ETA: We are debating two eras of Lucas, but thing is the EU backs up the originals more than the prequels.

KryptonChick

11-17-2005, 01:28 PM

Well maybe there's the problem of why we see things differently here: as much as i'm a fan of the OT, i see the movie as a whole (meaning all 6), and to me it's clear there that Anakin is the Chosen One, not Luke. The saga is about Anakin's fall and redemption thru his kids.

EU isnt cannon at all!! ... not all the books that come out are the true vision of what Star Wars is according to George Lucas of course.. most are merely interpretations of events and characters as the author sees them, adhering (sp?) to certain rules that i'm sure the Lucas people must have that the authors cant mess with.

The creator of the saga, as much as we dont agree with the changes or updates he does, IS the ultimate source for Star Wars fact since it's all his concept.

Summers

11-17-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by KryptonChick
Well maybe there's the problem of why we see things differently here: as much as i'm a fan of the OT, i see the movie as a whole (meaning all 6), and to me it's clear there that Anakin is the Chosen One, not Luke. The saga is about Anakin's fall and redemption thru his kids.

EU isnt cannon at all!! ... not all the books that come out are the true vision of what Star Wars is according to George Lucas of course.. most are merely interpretations of events and characters as the author sees them, adhering (sp?) to certain rules that i'm sure the Lucas people must have that the authors cant mess with.

The creator of the saga, as much as we dont agree with the changes or updates he does, IS the ultimate source for Star Wars fact since it's all his concept.

Look. I'm not dissing your view, but you came off that is the only view when it is in fact not. Why do think it is a major debate. The prequels and the originals do not mesh, and RoTS has plot holes that many fans noticed. You can see them in www.theforce.net message boards.

Actually, Lucas said EU are canon. His company and his affliates also canon the books. They are in fact canon just as the Clone War cartoons. Those books significantly show Luke as the Chosen One. They are evidence of that argument, and why it is used.

Frankly, I don't care if he is King David :lol:. When a creator contradicts himself royally on his own mythology his opinions become uncredible. It's like he changed his view just to make more money.

Originally posted by k18
Also, are there any documented transcripts that has Lucas saying Luke is the Chosen one? There is evidence of Lucas saying Anakin is the chosen one, so where is the one where he talks about Luke? And since episodes 4, 5, and 6 were made first, of course the EU books would make Luke the chosen one because he was the protagonist of those movies. But as a whole (episodes 1-6), Anakin is the actual chosen one.

Yes, there is. The problem is those interviews we did not have the internet where you can look up with link since they are over 20 years old now :rolleyes:. See, back in the old days we actually had to read the interviews in magazines instead of reading them off the internet scans. You seriously want 20 year old interviews as link that is kinda naive lol. I'm an honest person, and what I am saying is true. Lucas said during the making of the originals, and after before production of the prequels of Luke was the Chosen One. The transcripts of the actual originals say Luke is the Chosen One as well.

k18, if what you are saying Anakin was "originally" the Chosen One then in EU Anakin would be seen as the Chosen One, but he is not because the original discount the prequels.

The whole saga is not stable. The prequels and originals do not mesh at all.

Backward Galaxy

11-17-2005, 02:30 PM

Scientists often refine their theories as new evidence is revealed. The same thing can happen to writers with their stories. They can be writing one story and then something occurs to them which they feel is more intriguing and so they change their story to fit that.

What I'M saying is that even if Lucas himself believed that Luke was the Chosen One originally, he is the creator of the saga and is entitled to change his mind and his story. So, whatever he said in those original interviews is irrelevent. Chewbacca could have been the Chosen One originally and it doesn't matter. He could change his mind tomorrow and say that R2-D2 is the Chosen One and we'd have to accept that as the new truth.

KryptonChick

11-17-2005, 02:31 PM

Well i did not mean to come in here and say my view is the only one, but frankly, as i've read this topic here i've asked some star wars fans i know whom they think it's the chosen one, and so far 4 out of 4 say it's Anakin clearly. I just found it so shocking that after watching the 6 movies people would think that he isnt, but oh well i guess not everyone sees things the same way.

I disagree with u also when u say UE is canon: i'm sorry, we seem to have huge disagreements here :lol: ..in fact there has always been HUGE disagreements between EU readers and EU haters so that's a whoooole other story.. to me the only thing that's truly cannon are the films; the rest are interpretations of Lucas' characters thru out the years. There's even discrepancies between the Clone Wars cartoons and the book that came out right before the events of ROTS. So wich one is right? :confused: ..i'd love to see wich EU book says Luke is the chosen one, seriously, cause i havent read it in any of the ones i have... can u gimme a hand with that one?

I read www.theforce.net everyday actually, it's one of my favorite boards :D

Also imo the movies match together perfectly, so again, i guess this is a matter of personal view. To me what George has done makes 110% sense and it's his story, and i guess to u and to others it doesnt make sense cause u think he radically changed his view.

We'll just have to learn to disagree on this :D

Summers

11-17-2005, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Scientists often refine their theories as new evidence is revealed. The same thing can happen to writers with their stories. They can be writing one story and then something occurs to them which they feel is more intriguing and so they change their story to fit that.

What I'M saying is that even if Lucas himself believed that Luke was the Chosen One originally, he is the creator of the saga and is entitled to change his mind and his story. So, whatever he said in those original interviews is irrelevent. Chewbacca could have been the Chosen One originally and it doesn't matter. He could change his mind tomorrow and say that R2-D2 is the Chosen One and we'd have to accept that as the new truth.

The things with scientist is that is actually using science. Not writing where they change on whims of the author. You can't do that with science.

Well, I'm not :p lol. The EU futher contradicts what he says, and they he gave them canon. Writers and Scientists are not the same in this context. Writers change things because of the things they want to do. It doesn't mean it is right. Scientists can their theories because it is based on empiracal evidence which is why they have a hypothesis first.

Backward Galaxy

11-17-2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Summers
The things with scientist is that is actually using science. Not writing where they change on whims of the author. You can't do that with science.

Well, I'm not :p lol. The EU futher contradicts what he says, and they he gave them canon. Writers and Scientists are not the same in this context. Writers change things because of the things they want to do. It doesn't mean it is right. Scientists can their theories because it is based on empiracal evidence.

You're missing the parallel. I wasn't treating it similarly because of WHY the changes are made. I am treating it similarly because what comes out in the end is the "new truth" so to speak. We don't use OLD versions of scientific formulas, just like we don't use the first drafts of scripts or books. When the scientific community changes their mind, we get new "law". When an author changes his/her mind, we get new "law".

Summers

11-17-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by KryptonChick

I disagree with u also when u say UE is canon: i'm sorry, we seem to have huge disagreements here :lol: ..in fact there has always been HUGE disagreements between EU readers and EU haters so that's a whoooole other story.. to me the only thing that's truly cannon are the films; the rest are interpretations of Lucas' characters thru out the years. There's even discrepancies between the Clone Wars cartoons and the book that came out right before the events of ROTS. So wich one is right? :confused: ..i'd love to see wich EU book says Luke is the chosen one, seriously, cause i havent read it in any of the ones i have... can u gimme a hand with that one?

I read www.theforce.net everyday actually, it's one of my favorite boards :D

Also imo the movies match together perfectly, so again, i guess this is a matter of personal view. To me what George has done makes 110% sense and it's his story, and i guess to u and to others it doesnt make sense cause u think he radically changed his view.

We'll just have to learn to disagree on this :D

Yea, I seen those EU debates :lol:. What I didn't like about the cartoons is that the general audience was in the darkness in the beginning lol.

The journey of Luke in the NJO really emphasizes the Chosen One. Peter West knows more of the titles by heart. There is so many right now, and I only have a short time since the kids are at recess.

Yea, somehow Anakin wore different clothes he never wore before in RoTJ :lol:. Anakin's clothes are not even the same. You've been to that board, and they go in far more detailed of the plot holes.

That's fine. I'm just saying there is more than one point of view. I'm not saying I'm totally right,b ut their is valid evidence on both sides.

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
You're missing the parallel. I wasn't treating it similarly because of WHY the changes are made. I am treating it similarly because what comes out in the end is the "new truth" so to speak. We don't use OLD versions of scientific formulas, just like we don't use the first drafts of scripts or books. When the scientific community changes their mind, we get new "law". When an author changes his/her mind, we get new "law".

Then I misread you BG lol.

I'm saying I don't buy it. Nor do I like when "the author" changes because of money and throws out the original story. It's bad form when an author does it.

Backward Galaxy

11-17-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Summers

Then I misread you BG lol.

I'm saying I don't buy it. Nor do I like when "the author" changes because of money and throws out the original story. It's bad form when an author does it.

In this case, I completely agree.

k18

11-17-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Summers
Yes, there is. The problem is those interviews we did not have the internet where you can look up with link since they are over 20 years old now :rolleyes:. See, back in the old days we actually had to read the interviews in magazines instead of reading them off the internet scans. You seriously want 20 year old interviews as link that is kinda naive lol. I'm an honest person, and what I am saying is true. Lucas said during the making of the originals, and after before production of the prequels of Luke was the Chosen One. The transcripts of the actual originals say Luke is the Chosen One as well.

k18, if what you are saying Anakin was "originally" the Chosen One then in EU Anakin would be seen as the Chosen One, but he is not because the original discount the prequels.

The whole saga is not stable. The prequels and originals do not mesh at all.

Sorry, didn't mean to seem naive. All I just wanted to know was if there were any magazine articles or newspaper articles with him interviewed and saying those quotes. If it makes you feel any better, I do believe you, but just wanted to see the quote for myself. But you have to admit, Lucas must have made episodes 4, 5, and 6 with the intention of making episodes 1, 2, and 3. It was kind of premature for EU novels to make Luke the Chosen one since they didn't have the entire story mapped out. They had the ending, but it doesn't mean as much if you don't have the beginning.

Summers

11-17-2005, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by k18
Sorry, didn't mean to seem naive. All I just wanted to know was if there were any magazine articles or newspaper articles with him interviewed and saying those quotes. If it makes you feel any better, I do believe you, but just wanted to see the quote for myself. But you have to admit, Lucas must have made episodes 4, 5, and 6 with the intention of making episodes 1, 2, and 3. It was kind of premature for EU novels to make Luke the Chosen one since they didn't have the entire story mapped out. They had the ending, but it doesn't mean as much if you don't have the beginning.

No, I'm sorry. I came off too high strong :(. I'm sorry.

If I could get those newspapers and articles I read, then I truly would get them if they were that accessible.

Actually, I don't have to admit it because Lucas himself after RoTJ had no intention making the prequels. He first said the originals were one big story, and no intention on making more. He specifically centered on Luke only. That's why the EU went with Luke as the Chosen One. It wasn't premature at all. They were going off what Lucas said originally which was Luke was the Chosen One. Anakin was a mere backstory to it all that did not have specifics at all.

number8

11-17-2005, 04:44 PM

Jar Jar is...the chosen one..:lol:

babyface14

11-18-2005, 06:26 PM

I THINK CHOSEN ISS ANAKIN HE DESTROYED THE SITH MEANING EMPEROR AND HIMSELF WHICH BROUGHT PEACE TO THE FORCE.

MyOwnSuperhero

11-18-2005, 08:47 PM

Yeah - it was really Anakin as Vader who restored balance. Luke was about to die a zappy blue-lightninged death before Vader stepped in. It's totally Anakin, but it required his child to reawaken the good in him and let him fulfill his destiny.

k18

11-21-2005, 07:49 PM

I'm watching ROTS again right now and I always go to my favorite part when Anakin pledges his allegience to Palpatine. Great scene.

LexLuthorMetropolis

11-21-2005, 08:04 PM

Haven't watched it in a while but I find myself constantly reading the Ultimate Visual Guide.

k18

11-21-2005, 09:01 PM

Is the Ultimate Visual Guide you have for Revenge of the Sith or for the entire Star Wars saga in general?

Summers

11-21-2005, 09:53 PM

It's for the entire Saga in general including the expanded universe. I just bought as a b-day present for my nephew.

k18

11-22-2005, 08:16 AM

I think I'll get that one too. I saw the Revenge of the Sith Visual Giude in the bookstores, but haven't seen the general Star Wars one yet. I'll have to take another look.

vikingjedi

11-23-2005, 01:22 AM

I say the chosen one is Obi-wan. He is connected to everybody and his actions directly affected how everything turned out.

Anakin murdered billions of people and acted like a servant for the Emperor for most of his life. He is the chosen fool.

TMLS' BROTHER

11-23-2005, 01:48 AM

It's Anakin Full stop.

Jellie

11-23-2005, 02:29 AM

sorry but im with obi wan on this one

PETER WEST

11-25-2005, 10:38 AM

Here's another reason Why I think Luke Skywalker is "The Chosen One".

... And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and he shall be known as:
THE SON OF THE SUNS."
Journal of the Whills, 3:127

* Luke also came from Tatooine (like his Father Anakin), the planet with two suns. Hence, Son of the Suns.

* Luke emerge in the time of greatest despair, namely during the time when the Galaxy was ruled by the Sith & The Galactic Empire , while his father appeared in a time of relative peace.

* Luke was The New Hope , He Destoryed The Death Star saving billions of lives .

* Luke Defeated Darth Vader, in doing so brought back his Father Anakin Skywalker (Never in the History of The Jedi before Luke, was a Jedi Knight able to bring back a fallen Jedi who became a Sith Lord, to The Light Side Of The Force.)

* It was Luke who encouraged his father to turn his back on the Emperor .

* Luke restored the Jedi Order.

Through this Luke, brougth the long awaited "balance" and can be characterized as The savior/ The Chosen One.

And if you go on to the EU,

Luke became a great and powerful Jedi Master,

Luke became more powerful than any other Jedi who ever lived, even his Father.

Luke became more wiser than Master Yoda .

angelfire east

11-25-2005, 11:18 AM

I'd have to go with Luke:)

Shadowknight

11-26-2005, 11:38 AM

Well, I still tend to think Luke really is, but Vader thought he fufilled his destiny of the chosen one when he destroyed the Jedi thus no more imbalance, the Sith were dominant.

Its a very big debate over who really is, of course, "The Chosen one was made by the force, unto a virgin mother. Thats pretty much solid evidence that Anakin is, until I found this scene that was cut from ROTS and didint make it to the DVD.

As most here know, Darth Plaegis (sp?) was Sidious's Sith Master, and taught him to create life and keep people alive through the Dark side, then Sidious murdered him in his sleep.

Its rumored and said that this might have been what REALLY made Anakin born this WAS gonna be the scene when Anakin turned to the Dark Side, but was cut.....

Darth Sidious: I have waited all these years for you to fulfill your destiny(...) I have arranged for your conception. I used the power of the force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you.

Anakin: I don't believe you.

Darth Sidious: Ahhh, but you know it's true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. You could almost think of me as your father.

Anakin:Thats Impossible!

Darth Sidious:Nevertheless, you must decide... "

So, I have a feeling that Luke is after all, if Sidous really DID arrange his conception.

Kalel33076

02-24-2006, 03:25 PM

Anakin he did destroy the Sith. The prophecy talks of a Jedi who would destroy the sith and would be born of the will of the force. Basically Anakin was born by the force, even if it was manipulated by Plagueis or Sidious. Then that person would have to destroy the Sith. Luke did not kill a single Sith. Darth Vader in his last minutes was destroyed and Anakin Skywalker took over for the first time since he cut off Mace Windu's arm. He threw Palpatine into the Death Star II's core and kill him. Then in his last minutes died and thus destroyed the two and only sith, Palpatine and himself.

UDStyle

04-09-2006, 12:36 PM

Anakin Kills the Dark Lord of the sith (Sideous). If nothing else that does it for who the chosen one is. It is by his bare hands (with some moral assitance from his son) that the force is brought back into balance.

maryjanewatson

04-10-2006, 04:07 AM

I think it's luke.

the reason I think it's luke is that he leared to be a jedi so fast. Jedi's are trained from childhood and on. Yoda had even said that anakin was too old to train, and being that luke was like 18 when he learned, that would make him even more in touch with the force.

i dunno, thats my view.

Doomsday04

09-07-2006, 09:17 PM

anakin has more medichlorians than any other jedi plus he was more powerful than anyother jedi if he didnt let his emotions get the best of him and loose all of his limbs. plus luke would have died if anakin didnt save him and killed the emperor thus destroying himself and palpy, the last two remaining sith. and george lucas has said it himself that it is anakin.

Naman is 1#

09-07-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Doomsday04
anakin has more medichlorians than any other jedi plus he was more powerful than anyother jedi if he didnt let his emotions get the best of him and loose all of his limbs. plus luke would have died if anakin didnt save him and killed the emperor thus destroying himself and palpy, the last two remaining sith. and george lucas has said it himself that it is anakin.

Yes and I watched that interview when Lucas said that. Awesome stuff.:cool:

Anakin.

Dark Knight23

09-14-2006, 08:21 PM

Anakin there is no other.

PostIt

10-09-2006, 12:31 PM

I'm going with Anakin

1.21 gigawatts

10-23-2006, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Doomsday04
anakin has more medichlorians than any other jedi plus he was more powerful than anyother jedi if he didnt let his emotions get the best of him and loose all of his limbs. plus luke would have died if anakin didnt save him and killed the emperor thus destroying himself and palpy, the last two remaining sith. and george lucas has said it himself that it is anakin.

Luke never got tested for his midichlorians.

Luke is the chosen one. Hotter than both suns. Vader ain't sh!t, his head's cut up and split. He's slower than the first Pentium chip.