Lois vs. Chloe: Who is the better reporter?

[ShaftDu]

Last night after watching the show, I noticed this was the first time. We got to both Lois and Clark inside the Daily Planet during regular hours. Sure we got to see Clark jump from the DP a few seasons ago but not inside.

Now, after the scene between the detective and the Chloe with Lois, I just get the feeling that Lois has 'it' over Chloe. Chloe is a talented reporter but she lacks the go getter stuff Lois might have. Well, I am thinking the when you would compare two football players who can run the a fast 40 yard dash. If why would Jerry Rice have a hall of fame career and an guy with his same built and speed would not. Rice has 'it' just Lois seems to demonstrating.

[bap290]

Well as we all know, It is Lois who becomes a great reporter along side Clark.

[tw190]

Chloe is aggressive as far as reporting goes, but Lois makes her look like a snapping turtle rather than a shark.

Lois asked one really awesome journalistic question... can't remember what it was, that Chloe wasn't even thinking about. I know one day she'll make a great reporter! :D

[PETER WEST]

Lois is better, Chloe is good, as a school paper reporter. But as a Reporter for a well know Newspaper (The Daily Planet) Chloe has a lot to learn.

[Dannyblue1]

We're talking about Future Lois, right? Because SV Lois doesn't come across as particularly reporter-like.

I really thought that, last night, we'd be getting our first real glimpses of reporter Lois. But I didn't see any. And the longer they go without showing Lois having that reporter's instinct, the harder it is for me to believe SV Lois could possibly become the dogged reporter we've seen in all other incarnations.

[dancinggopher01]

Lois notices the little things that make a great investigative reporter like the murdered strippers 500 dollar shoes. I like how Smallville exploits that.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
Lois is better, Chloe is good, as a school paper reporter. But as a Reporter for a well know Newspaper (The Daily Planet) Chloe has a lot to learn.

Well, this Lois knows even less of being a reporter for a well known newspaper. She doesn't even know anything about a high school one.

Chloe's whole life is about being a reporter. She knows how to get a story with faccts (Thirst!) So I think she has an advantage of Lois. Lois isn't into reporting..yet

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by dancinggopher01
Lois notices the little things that make a great investigative reporter like the murdered strippers 500 dollar shoes. I like how Smallville exploits that.

Noticing stuff and knowing some useful facts doesn't make one a great reporter. It just means you notice things and know some stuff.

[SteveS]

No, Lois is not a reporter, she is a video game player when hanging out at the Daily Planet. The reason Lois knew about expensive shoes is that she has been living off of Daddy's money all her life and done relatively nothing, apparently, until being a coffee shop waitress. As such, if she is still not dependent on Daddy, she is smart enough to know that she can't afford $500 shoes, a nice new car, or probably even an apartment. No reporter skill shown knowing about expensive things, it was a part of a priviledged upbringing as a high ranking general's daughter.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Lois definitely! Chloe was all meek and timid last night, she didn't even ask any questions. Lois was the observant one, and even did the dirty work. Any good INVESTIGATIVE reporter wouldn't foist their invesitgating off on someone else.


Originally posted by Dannyblue1
We're talking about Future Lois, right? Because SV Lois doesn't come across as particularly reporter-like.

I really thought that, last night, we'd be getting our first real glimpses of reporter Lois. But I didn't see any. And the longer they go without showing Lois having that reporter's instinct, the harder it is for me to believe SV Lois could possibly become the dogged reporter we've seen in all other incarnations.


No offense but how you NOT see any? She was observant, asked the right questions like any GOOD repoter would. Chloe was too meek and timid last night to even ask any questions. Plus Lois did all the undercover work, the only thing missing was Lois getting the byline in the paper. Chloe gets all the credit :rolleyes:

[Summers]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

She was observant, asked the right questions like any GOOD repoter would. Chloe was too meek and timid last night to even ask any questions. Plus Lois did all the undercover work, the only thing missing was Lois getting the byline in the paper. Chloe gets all the credit :rolleyes:

Such as when Sawyer was brushing off the situation Lois stood up and gave her good evidence to look into it more. Clark and Lois practically did everything IMO.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Yep they did, Chloe just seemed more like the bystander than anything. A few people have commented how Chloe seemed out of place and lost at the DP that Lois looked like she fit at the DP like a glove ;)

[Dannyblue1]

Chloe wasn't meek and timid. Chloe was doing her reporter thing (trying to get the dancers to talk, taking pictures of the parking lot), while Lois was playing decoy. Lois asked a couple of good questions, but they are the kinds of questions I'd ask in a similar situation, and I'm not a reporter.

I don't know who it was. Some famous reporter. He said the best reporters fade into the background as much as possible and observe. That's what Chloe was doing.

[Summers]

Chloe helped stear things I'll give her that, but Lois and Clark really did a alot more and risked a lot more.

Hmm..maybe because we are used to the character to be at DP. It just seems only natural.


Originally posted by Dannyblue1

I don't know who it was. Some famous reporter. He said the best reporters fade into the background as much as possible and observe. That's what Chloe was doing.

As did Lois. Both girls observed while Clark was way too noticeable i.e. "a coke on the rocks" :lol:

[Watching Smallville]

I thought Chloe was as good a reporter as she's always been, but Lois jumped into the middle of the situation while Chloe stayed on the sidelines. I think that's the difference. And even when Clark showed up, Lois didn't think "Oh, I'm saved." She kept fighting.

[Dannyblue1]

I'm sorry, I just didn't see "budding reporter" in Lois last night. Yes, I saw some of the derring-do that makes Lois take risks and jump head first into situations before thinking through, which is something canon Lois does. But there are great reporters who don't act that way.

[Watching Smallville]

True -- but I thought as far as the Lois character goes, it's her jumping into the middle of things that's her trademark.

[Summers]

Well, considering the fact what we didn't see last season we saw a lot more hints.

Oops morning bell rang time to go substitute 3rd graders. seeya later.

[Melisande]

Hmm, I'm not so sure that this episode in particular evinced much about Lois' ability to report or investigate. She had a few good moments.

But what I thought that it did show was how much Chloe is unsuited to this job. Taking that tip by herself so that she might advance her career was unethical and reckless. Shoving Lois into the lion's den was also reckless. The way in which she attempted to interview the strippers was clumsy, bordering on inappropriate, and showed how much Chloe lacks people skills. She didn't put those girls at ease at all.

In real life, taking that tip would not have gotten her a byline. She would have been reprimanded and fired immediately. Her job was to man the phonelines and relay the tips to the real reporters at the DP, and not use the tips to further her own career. There might even have been criminal charges if they had determined that her cavalier attitude and failure to take proper action in any way contributed to the death of Melissa.

And then at the end the only thing she cared about was her byline. She's not about truth and justice, she's about recognition.

[SteveS]

In real life, Lois would have been dead in her hand-to-hand combat routines and could not last one round in Ultimate Fighting, but we are talking fantasy here.

In fantasy, it is Chloe who is the prime mover of the investigation and Lois the video gamer with an enhanced body is the follower. Chloe finds and leads to the club (Lois is just the body that tags along), Chloe is the one leading the way to the office and files (Lois is fairly clueless thus far), Chloe is the quick thinker when they get caught (Lois is what, dumbstruck?), and then Chloe begins talking with the dancers (within the time constraints of a TV show), and Lois makes a very laughable on-stage appearance as a non-stripper.

I will give credit to Lois who brought a couple of good points to the detective, as a relatively priviledged dependent of Daddy, she had an idea of what expensive things cost. No doubt she and her criminal sister Lucy have cost Dad a small fortune. However, after Lois' fantasy Xena moments, it is Chloe who nails the deal to get the bad guy arrested. Lois didn't have a clue. And now Lois moves into the Talon, a place that is the result of all of Lana's creative talents and ambition while still a high school girl NOT dependent on her Daddy.

[Chihiro]

Chloe has the discipline and the ambition to be a good reporter, but Lois has the guts and the instinct, which, if tapped, would make her an even better reporter than Chloe. If she (Lois) ever shows any interest, I can just see her going for the jugular every time. However, with what's going on right now in SV I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by Chihiro
Chloe has the discipline and the ambition to be a good reporter, but Lois has the guts and the instinct, which, if tapped, would make her an even better reporter than Chloe. If she (Lois) ever shows any interest, I can just see her going for the jugular every time.

Well said.

And I think both Lois and Chloe played an important role in solving the mystery -- each using her own approach.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Chihiro
Chloe has the discipline and the ambition to be a good reporter, but Lois has the guts and the instinct,

We've seen Chloe's guts and instincts too, in the past. She has broken into varous places (and taken heck for doing something so stupid and reckless on this very board). She's also jumped instinctively to some pretty dead-on conclusions (based on the facts she had) over the seasons, which have helped to solve quite a few mysteries, and stop several FOTW.

I think what has happened is that, now that Lois is on the show, they have given a lot of Chloe's impulsiveness to Lois.

Also, about Lois asking "good" questions, every time Chloe and Lois do an investigation scene together, I get the very strong feeling that, realizing Lois needs something to do/say in those scenes, they take dialog that would've been all Chloe's and split it between the two girls.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Well said.

And I think both Lois and Chloe played an important role in solving the mystery -- each using her own approach.

Thanks. :)

I agree.

[shy175223]

I think BOTH of them have good points when it comes to having journalism instincts. Lois is definitely does have them even though in SV she doesn't know it yet and may not have the drive to be a reporter yet. I read a post a while ago that I really liked reading. It stated that with Lois being a reporter didn't mean to become the best reporter but to strive to stand up to do what is right and write the wrongs and get them noticed,. For turth and juctice. She wanted to do something about the corruption and crime and she did by getting down to nitty gritty of it all and writing about it.

For Chloe, journalism is her passion. When she took the phone calll from the stripper, I think she wanted to help more than anything. I don't think it was just about the byline on the newspaper. IMO, Chloe is alot more compassionate than that. She wanted to see what kind of help she can do because she can tell that the stripper was in trouble. She knows its not like working at the "Torch" but working in the DP is actually a dream come true for her. She isn't some ruthless budding reporter trying to a byline in the front page, she actually cares and really digs deeper.

Now I think they make a great team, just like the female version of the Hardy Boy or something. But I think that are both equally better reporters that they bring something to each other everytime they worked together. Which I always enjoy seeing in every scene they are together. I think their investigative team efforts is a percursor of coarse to Clark/Lois of metropolis.

I'm sure Lois's journalism instincts will kick in next year or very soon. right now , I think the Lois of SV is trying to find her knack in world.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Also, about Lois asking "good" questions, every time Chloe and Lois do an investigation scene together, I get the very strong feeling that, realizing Lois needs something to do/say in those scenes, they take dialog that would've been all Chloe's and split it between the two girls.

I agree. The writters seem to be having a difficulty in reconciling Lois Lane the icon with Lois Lane in SV.

I really admire the Chloe Sullivan character, especially during the Torch days. She IS tenacious, and after watching four seasons of SV we all know what her goal is in life. She's also had her share of mistakes. There's an earlier post that mentioned in a major daily, Chloe would not have gotten the byline while being the tipster at the same time. That is very true for a big newspaper.

I hope the show makes up its mind on who the ace reporter would be. If they want it to be Chloe in Smallville but hint at Lois' future career, then they'd have to do a better job with that arc. As it is, Lois can't spell (established in Season 4 Facade, I think). While reporters are not expected to be perfect, they DO have to show a mastery of the language they're using, or else how would they make us believe they got the meat of the story?

I guess it's just a bit of bias as for the first three seasons I had subconsciously assigned Chloe the role of an early Lois Lane. I admit that now. Hahaha.

[FlashFan]

Wow. I didn't watch the same episode apparently, because I didn't see *any* advancement for Lois as reporter in this episode.
I give her the standing up to Sawyer, but the expensive shoe revelation was earth-shattering.
She didn't discover who the baddie was, he took her. He pointed her to the closet. She didn't snoop, the shoebox was right there, in the open. The only thing not in the scene was a big neon sign that said "Look in the shoebox!"

What did Chloe do? Got the name of the victim, figured out where she worked, got them in the club, got the license plate, talked to the girls, got the baddie's address, helped Clark to find the passport, located the helipad and finally, after Clark, lois and Sawyer are resigned to the fact the baddie gets away scot free, she tips Interpol off and finally gets the bad guy.

Chloe is the better reporter, hands down.

It would have been nice for the writers to try to advance Lois in the jouranlism direction, but again, they chose not too. No offense to Durnace, but for now, imo, ED being Lois on the show is strictly for giving nods to Superman mythos and T & A.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by FlashFan
It would have been nice for the writers to try to advance Lois in the jouranlism direction, but again, they chose not too. No offense to Durnace, but for now, imo, ED being Lois on the show is strictly for giving nods to Superman mythos and T & A.

Erica Durance clearly has talent. I wish they'd give her more screen time.

[GhostRider]

Chloe *is* a reporter. Lois is not. Chloe got the lead, acted on it, investigated, and wrote the story. Lois did what Chloe exactly what Chloe made her to so she could get her story. It's kind of funny that Chloe is getting both Lois and Clark to do her bidding.

[umm]

I can´t believe you guys!
All this time it was, Chloe the reporter number 1, which she is, and after one time of watching Lois do a striptease and it´s all about how she is a better reporter than Chloe! Give me a break! Being a reporter isn´t just about doing the fun undercover things, it´s also for the most part about research, long hours in front of a computer, and other boring tiresome stuff, that you have to have patience, subtlety, and indurance for! Not to mention that there is a great writer and a good writer, and while Lois maybe a good writer (we saw that in the ´plastic surgery´episode in season `4), but Chloe is a great reporter; partly because she has been doing it most of her adult life and knows how to us language to achieve the best effect!
Frankly, right now, compared to Chloe, Lois just doesn´t cut it! I am not saying that she doesn´t have potential, and her time will come, but that time is not now! Maybe in the future, she and Chloe would be close in the run for the best reporter, but right now, Chloe is winning head on!
As for this particular episode, last time I checked it was Chloe´s idea for Lois go undercover, so you can´t really give her credit for that either!
I am sure that had Chloe been more comfortable with showing her body, she would have done it herself, but she isn´t so she had Lois do the job!

[FlashFan]

Originally posted by Chihiro
Erica Durance clearly has talent. I wish they'd give her more screen time.
Agreed. I think ED is pretty good and plays the char well enough. It's just poorly written and badly in need of direction.

[No-El]

Originally posted by umm
I can´t believe you guys!
All this time it was, Chloe the reporter number 1, which she is, and after one time of watching Lois do a striptease and it´s all about how she is a better reporter than Chloe! Give me a break! Being a reporter isn´t just about doing the fun undercover things, it´s also for the most part about research, long hours in front of a computer, and other boring tiresome stuff, that you have to have patience, subtlety, and indurance for! Not to mention that there is a great writer and a good writer, and while Lois maybe a good writer (we saw that in the ´plastic surgery´episode in season `4), but Chloe is a great reporter; partly because she has been doing it most of her adult life and knows how to us language to achieve the best effect!
Frankly, right now, compared to Chloe, Lois just doesn´t cut it! I am not saying that she doesn´t have potential, and her time will come, but that time is not now! Maybe in the future, she and Chloe would be close in the run for the best reporter, but right now, Chloe is winning head on!
As for this particular episode, last time I checked it was Chloe´s idea for Lois go undercover, so you can´t really give her credit for that either!
I am sure that had Chloe been more comfortable with showing her body, she would have done it herself, but she isn´t so she had Lois do the job!


Interesting and good points!

From reading this topic it seems some are confusing the "Type A" personality of Lois as her being the great/better reporter than Lois.

There are people who may have a go get'em attitude, but they may be absolutely terrible at other things. Perhaps the different personalities of Chloe and Lois make them what they are---- people seeking the 'truth'!

Different methods/personalities, but, with the 'same result'!

Pauline Kahn asked Chloe at her interview if she had what it took to be a reporter. Chloe got the result and the "By line" and humbly acknowledge the help of Lois and Clark!

[jimmyolsenblues]

How are we certain that Lois on Smallville is the same Lois that will marry Clark. I am not saying that Chloe will Marry Clark, I am saying TPTB have taken great liberity with the superman mythology and will continue to do so. Chloe is a better reporter than Lois. But Lois is a better boxer. ;)

[JLA]

I get the feeling that Chloe is realizing that she likes the action more than just reporting. I see her moving more in the direction of law enforcement. Will it be Detective Sullivan of the Metropolis PD or Sheriff Sullivan of Smallville? That would add an interesting dynamic to the show.

[No-El]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
How are we certain that Lois on Smallville is the same Lois that will marry Clark. I am not saying that Chloe will Marry Clark, I am saying TPTB have taken great liberity with the superman mythology and will continue to do so. Chloe is a better reporter than Lois. But Lois is a better boxer. ;)


Well yeah! :D

Lois is of course the daughter of 'General'!:lol:

[SmallvilleMan]

Lois is better, because she has no nerve and is as rude as possible, ala has b... like qualities. Chloe is a nice person, but can be ruthless.

[Krypton Angel]

Well if Chloe was such a good reporter/investigator she would have known Clark's secret on her own. She didn't!
Now Lois would be able to find out, the thing though is that Chloe has not died yet so her head is not where it should be at. Right now in Lois's world it is all about Lois and clark is just another guy. Remember that Lois falls for Superman not Clark Kent.
Anyways, i believe Chloe will suffer her doom at the hands of her job. trying to expose lex or something.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by Krypton Angel
Well if Chloe was such a good reporter/investigator she would have known Clark's secret on her own. She didn't.
Anyways, i believe Chloe will suffer her doom at the hands of her job. trying to expose lex or something.

Well, she also said that she would stop PRYING into Clark's persoanl business and she has. As for Chloe future, that's still undetermined.

[Blurby]

Right now, Chloe is clearly the better reporter, simply because Lois currently lacks the drive that will make her excel at journalism. But I'm glad we get to see glimpses of Lois' snooping and curious nature. However, she's a far shot from the Lois Lanes of other universes, i.e. the comics.

But hey, I love ED and I loved this ep!

[FlashFan]

Originally posted by Krypton Angel
Well if Chloe was such a good reporter/investigator she would have known Clark's secret on her own. She didn't!
Now Lois would be able to find out, the thing though is that Chloe has not died yet so her head is not where it should be at. Right now in Lois's world it is all about Lois and clark is just another guy. Remember that Lois falls for Superman not Clark Kent.
Anyways, i believe Chloe will suffer her doom at the hands of her job. trying to expose lex or something.
How do you figure Lois would be able to find out??
She lived in the same house for over a year and didn't know.

[Blurby]

I think even the best investigative journalists wouldn't suspect that a close friend was a superpowered alien, but hey, maybe it's just me :)

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

He gave her no reason to suspect that he was different while they were living together ;) Chloe's known him most of her life and never figured it out too, Lana hasn't figured it out either, so that really doesn't mean much to me.

[SuperStupidPower]

I was thinking the same thing!

I posted a rant on the previous episode's message board. To the extent of:

How can chloe work at the planet?!?! She will rise to the top, and then we are just to fast forward to some scenario where Clark and Lois are the top reporters and Chloe doesnt exist?

I griped that the writers seemed to not even care about what the future superman mythos had in store.

Then we have this lovely scene of Lois and Chloe junior reporters for the Daily Planet.

I love that Chloe is answering the phones and Lois is bored out of her mind and playing some mind numbing video game.

Then they go to investigate, Lois is practically "Ok, sure, whatever, I was bored anyway."

Then the cop is putting them in their place and Chloe is helpless. But Lois, who was just along for the ride, was aware enough to notice $500 shoes, was smart azz enough to call the cop out about it.

Lois is a natural investigative reporter. Where Chloe is just really passionate about it and works as hard as she can within her limitations.

Then they go to the club and Chloe is going by the book, digging through files, blowing any cover by asking the dancers, ect.

Lois has the guts to 1) strip for the bosses and 2) take the stage.

That boldness is what sets her apart from her future peers.

I dont personally think, Lois currently has any desire at all to be a reporter. But the writers showed that she has the gifts.

Thus it makes it believable to think one day she will be the #1 reporter in the world.

I thought it was well done. And much needed.

[smoky]

Chloe, for sure. Its in her blood. Lois shows little to no interest.

[Watching Smallville]

I agree w/ the poster who said Lois is likely to go into journalism when she discovers that this is a way to help save the world. She definitely has that value, as shown in Aqua. Then she can put her determination and toughness toward that goal. I think Exposed begins to show us that she has what it takes, even though she's untrained and disinterested at this point.

As for who's the better reporter, at this point, it's got to be Chloe. She has the experience and the knowhow. But there are signs that Lois can catch up, and even pass her cousin.

[SuperStupidPower]

Originally posted by Chihiro
I agree. The writters seem to be having a difficulty in reconciling Lois Lane the icon with Lois Lane in SV.

I hope the show makes up its mind on who the ace reporter would be. If they want it to be Chloe in Smallville but hint at Lois' future career, then they'd have to do a better job with that arc. As it is, Lois can't spell (established in Season 4 Facade, I think). While reporters are not expected to be perfect, they DO have to show a mastery of the language they're using, or else how would they make us believe they got the meat of the story?


It was clearly established in the films that Lois probably cant even spell her own name.

[sstray72]

Um, so the fact that Lois knows about shoes makes her a better reporter? Reaching for straws, guys. This show has repeatedly shown Lois as caring NOTHING for jouralism and this episode I was expecting for her to really get into it, but she ended up tagging along. And her stripping wasn't even her idea (which as a fan of Chloe I really didn't like Chloe putting her into that position), but it really didn't create any leads to the story, she was more of a diversion. She had no idea that the guy that she was leaving with happened to be the guy they were looking for, I was never aware that being kidnapped was clever investigating! In the back room it was Chloe who was interviewing the dancers, and discovering that there was some guy out there who was taking girls away never to be seen again. THAT'S FINDING A LEAD.

Until they start making Lois more proactive and INTERESTED in journalism, she's just an empty name to me.

[BeepBeep]

I don't see an inkling of reporting talent in Lois. I'm not a big fan of the whole Chlois theory, but I'm starting to find it easier swallow than this version of Lois growing into the Lois of the comics.

[Deana]

Making a rilvary out of who's the better reporter in this stage is jumping the gun.

Chloe sees that Lois will make a good reporter, but Lois is still trying to find herself. Chloe will fuel her desire to become a reporter. Which we saw when Lois started firing off questions about the case after Chloe got finished with her questions. She saw the sheriff being a pompus you-know-what with her green SV cousin, so she took charge.

I think they will grow as reporters together. Lois learning some things from Chloe and Chloe learning to go that extra "mad dog" mile from Lois.

[Netmaster]

I think Lois is willing to go that extra mile that Chloe isn't.
Lois took all the risks in this episode. Chloe couldn't bring herself to go that extra mile to get the story and put herself onstage so she shoved Lois into the situation. Lois could have said "No way" and high tailed it out of there, but she decided to push herself to find out who murdered that woman. Though Lois was very reluctant at first, but she still pushed herself to get the story.

That is what makes her better than Chloe, and that is what makes a great reporter. That's how Lois will grow to be a better reporter than all the rest.

[chlana_sandwich]

It's true that Lois is not particularly interested in being a reporter *at this point* in time. And, it may take some catastrophic event (e.g. Chloe dies) to motivate Lois to take-up the charge.

But, we see now that Lois has certain "street smarts" necessary to survive in Metropolis. Chloe seems a little timid and out of her element in Metropolis. With time, she may overcome that, or she may end up back in Smallville. I think this may be the key difference between Chloe and Lois, and ultimately, this may be why Lois excels in Metropolis.

[SuperDub2]

Chloe is the better reporter, its in her blood!!

[Timester]

Chloe is the reporter, but she is missing one thing. The "Mad Dog" factor. She simply doesn't have it. Lois Lane never accepts a "No".

What people keep forgeting is that Lois Lane uses jornalism has a tool to achieve justice, not because she loves jornalism (in both comics and "L&C" she started jornalism just to show her father that she was capable). For Chloe, jornalism is the end. That's why I never saw the "Lois" on Chloe.

The character in the comics that loved jornalism as much Chloe loves was... Lana Lang. Her dream was also working for the Daily Planet. I keep telling this for more then a year, but people simply deny it because it doesn't fit on their believes... :\

[Netmaster]

Originally posted by Timester
Chloe is the reporter, but she is missing one thing. The "Mad Dog" factor. She simply doesn't have it. Lois Lane never accepts a "No".

What people keep forgeting is that Lois Lane uses jornalism has a tool to achieve justice, not because she loves jornalism (in both comics and "L&C" she started jornalism just to show her father that she was capable). For Chloe, jornalism is the end. That's why I never saw the "Lois" on Chloe.

The character in the comics that loved jornalism as much Chloe loves was... Lana Lang. Her dream was also working for the Daily Planet. I keep telling this for more then a year, but people simply deny it because it doesn't fit on their believes... :\

Lana in journalism? Ehh . . . I have been following the Superman comics for a very long time and I was never aware of Lana having any interest in it at all. If she did, then it was only mentioned briefly in the comics and never was a major focal point for her character.

I agree with what a previous person said, that Chloe does seem just a little out of her element in Metropolis and also lacks that extra drive. It's that willingness that Lois has to go that extra mile and not take no for an answer that makes her a better reporter.

The only thing that Lois is really missing at this point is the drive to become a reporter, but I think that will start to emerge soon. I don't think it will be much longer.

[DARKRAGE]

At the moment it has to be Chloe but I think Iois will start to pick up chloes techniques and will then become the better reporter, lois is starting to show signs i.e going undercover etc

[Timester]

Originally posted by Netmaster
Lana in journalism? Ehh . . . I have been following the Superman comics for a very long time and I was never aware of Lana having any interest in it at all. If she did, then it was only mentioned briefly in the comics and never was a major focal point for her character.

Silver Age Lana Lang. A television reporter (worked for the Daily Planet also) who grew up in Smallville and shared Lois Lane's sometime obsession with trying to expose Clark Kent as Superman.

The Smallville Lana is not the one from the comics. She is the invention, not Chloe (Chloe is based on both Lois and Lana).

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Shouldn't this be a pool?
I find hard to keep track as who is winning :confused:

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Yeah Chloe doesn't have the street smarts and the mad dog factor. What would Chloe have done with the cop if Lois hadn't been there?

[aqua]

How is Lois a better reporter when she doesn't have any drive? Well, since I haven't seen Lois have a passion in really anything, then I dunno if that's a trait of hers, but Chloe has been doing everything to reach her dream.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Overall Chloe is the better reporter I'll say that but in Exposed Lois was the true reporter she did almost all the work the only thing missing was that she didn't get the byline.

One point though Chloe didn't get the DP job because of her investigative skills, she got it for her writing skills :\

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Overall Chloe is the better reporter I'll say that but in Exposed Lois was the true reporter she did almost all the work the only thing missing was that she didn't get the byline.

WHAT WORK DID LOIS DO?!

Seriously, what?

She followed Chloe around, doing what Chloe told her to do. She asked one good question. She danced on a poll (which, you know, didn't really help solve the case), then got herself kidnapped by the bad guy because she had no idead he was the bad guy.

So, again, what word did Lois do, exactly?

Also, to be a great newspaper reporter, you have to be a great writer. You have to be able to put what you've found out into words that can make people laugh, cry, furious, etc. You don't have to be a good speller, but you for darned sure have to know how to write.

[son2380]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
We're talking about Future Lois, right? Because SV Lois doesn't come across as particularly reporter-like.

I really thought that, last night, we'd be getting our first real glimpses of reporter Lois. But I didn't see any. And the longer they go without showing Lois having that reporter's instinct, the harder it is for me to believe SV Lois could possibly become the dogged reporter we've seen in all other incarnations.

Thank you Danny thats why I think they need to start guiding Lois to what she is suppose to be. The future Lois was already an established reporter before clark came to Metropolis. Chloe is one of my Fav character but its time for her to go. I know she is a fan fav but she not helping in the progress of the story that much. She is in the way of the progress of Lois, we can't have a blond and a brunette Lois lane. Maybe they should move her to tv journalism, that way they won't have to kill her.

I also think that the writer originally wanted Chloe to die at the end of season 3. But because of the millions of Chloe fans out their the writer had to change what they wanted. It seemed like they were planning on killing chloe and then Lois was gonna come in and take her place as the SV reporter. But because chloe is still alive its hard for the writers to give lois her own character since they gave her personnality to Chloe.

When are they gonna start to establish Clark as an ace reporter. When is he gonna develope an interest in Journalism. He worked in the torch but he really didn't do much reporting there, It was all Chloe. the two future ACE reporters for the Daily Planet and they have no interest in journalism.

[luthorcorp]

simple answer

chloe

[FlashFan]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Yeah Chloe doesn't have the street smarts and the mad dog factor. What would Chloe have done with the cop if Lois hadn't been there?
The same exact thing. Why would it have stopped Chloe and Lois from continuing their journalistic investigating, just because the detective didn't want to look into it?

Lois got the detective to think that maybe something was 'wrong'. Sawyer was still going to blow it off, but Chloe sold her.

Regardless, all that did was push the police in to doing some digging, and didn't really effect the investigation of Chloe or Lois, they would have been independent of each other.

[aqua]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Overall Chloe is the better reporter I'll say that but in Exposed Lois was the true reporter she did almost all the work the only thing missing was that she didn't get the byline.

One point though Chloe didn't get the DP job because of her investigative skills, she got it for her writing skills :\

Umm.. what?

Being a true reporter means you have the drive to find out the truth and report it. That's what Chloe wanted to do when she took the call. She made Lois come along with her and she invented the story of Lois being a stripper. Wow, Lois danced. And that helped how? Oh, wait, she did get kidnapped. She wouldn't have been at that place unless she was mooching around with Chloe because she has nothing else to do. Chloe wanted to be a reporter forever. She spent her life at the Torch and did whatever she could to work at the Daily Planet. And suddenly in one episode where Lois takes off her clothes and gets tasered, she's a true reporter?

And in "Thirst," the story fell on her lap and she pounced before anyone eles did. What's the problem with that? If she had written it sloppily then she wouldn't have gotten the job. You need to be a good writer to be a reporter. But she did investigate in "Exposed." Or was that all Lois too?

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by FlashFan
Wow. I didn't watch the same episode apparently, because I didn't see *any* advancement for Lois as reporter in this episode.
I give her the standing up to Sawyer, but the expensive shoe revelation was earth-shattering.
She didn't discover who the baddie was, he took her. He pointed her to the closet. She didn't snoop, the shoebox was right there, in the open. The only thing not in the scene was a big neon sign that said "Look in the shoebox!"

What did Chloe do? Got the name of the victim, figured out where she worked, got them in the club, got the license plate, talked to the girls, got the baddie's address, helped Clark to find the passport, located the helipad and finally, after Clark, lois and Sawyer are resigned to the fact the baddie gets away scot free, she tips Interpol off and finally gets the bad guy.

Chloe is the better reporter, hands down.

It would have been nice for the writers to try to advance Lois in the jouranlism direction, but again, they chose not too. No offense to Durnace, but for now, imo, ED being Lois on the show is strictly for giving nods to Superman mythos and T & A.

Lois & Clark Fan.........why would you just ignore all the things that Chloe did in the episode? FlashFan makes very solid points.



Chloe fan or not.....it should be obvious who the better reporter is at this point in time. Some others have also said that Chloe's not as hard nosed as Lois. That's true, and I kind of like that difference in the cousins, but that doesn't mean Chloe's character is any less determined. She knows that sometimes you have to work to get to the truth (as noted in the episode "Truth" ). And just because Chloe is more soft spoken doesn't mean she won't stand up for herself. She's stood up to Lionel and Lex on many occasions. And despite the Editor of the Daily Planet mocking her and her dream......She stood up to her!......and she's still basically a kid!

The problem with Chloe's character in my opinion, is that her Reporter/Detective skills have been brought to the small screen with such flair and fun that it surpasses the skills of all the incarnations of Lois Lane that have ever been. So in order for Lois to one day believeably be the Daily Planet's #1 reporter....I just gotta believe that either Chloe has to dissappear or just be killed ( heaven forbid!) outright. I mean she was what? 14 or 15 and she was writting in the Daily Planet? And yeah, I know Lionel was the reason she was there, but her editor even said that she was really on to something with her Sommerholt articles (as seen in "Delete") that she submitted under the alias of her Cousin Lois.

But then again, all things being equal, my order for Daily Planet top reporter status (providing Chloe was still around which I honestly don't expect) would be Clark #1, Chloe #2, and Lois #3. Because let's face it....if Clark wasn't so busy with the Superman stuff......ohhhh the stories he could pick up with his Super hearing alone.

On a fun note, being almost caught going through the Club's files reminded me of what Chloe said to Clark in "Magnetic" ......."A good reporter always thinks on her feet".


Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Overall Chloe is the better reporter I'll say that but in Exposed Lois was the true reporter she did almost all the work the only thing missing was that she didn't get the byline.

One point though Chloe didn't get the DP job because of her investigative skills, she got it for her writing skills :\

As ludicrous as the vampire story was, she had all the back up.....CDC reports, eye witness accounts....everything. And I think it was the back up that finally sealed it. If she didn't have either the writting talent or the investigative talent to get the back up information.....then I don't think she should have realistically gotten the job. But it's obvious that her character has both. Which again leaves me wondering as to why you would ignore facts such as the investigative documentation which she presented?


Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
He gave her no reason to suspect that he was different while they were living together ;) Chloe's known him most of her life and never figured it out too, Lana hasn't figured it out either, so that really doesn't mean much to me.

A good example of why the characters have to be unaware of things is in the commentary of "Spell". It's the scene in which the cousins burst in on Lana/Isobel while she's potion making. Allison Mack & Erica Durrance make references to it with respect to their Chloe and Lois characters. But even with things like that, Chloe admited to Clark that she always had her suspicions...."The miraculous recoveries....the lame excuses". But I think Alicia said it best......"Why are you ignoring what's right in front of your own face Chloe?"....pretty sure that's how the quote went. To me Alicia's comment was very telling of Chloe's relationship with Clark. And I really don't think that their being unaware has any bearing on how good at reporting the cousins are. So I agree with you that it really doesn't mean all that much.

[constancelight]

Chloe's known him most of her life and never figured it out too, Lana hasn't figured it out either, so that really doesn't mean much to me.

Chloe has known Clark since 8th grade, so that isn't most of her life, just 5 years.



But I think Alicia said it best......"Why are you ignoring what's right in front of your own face Chloe?"....pretty sure that's how the quote went. To me Alicia's comment was very telling of Chloe's relationship with Clark.

I agree. Clark fools everyone. Even Lois Lane in the comics couldn't figure out CK was Superman. People believe what they want to believe. Chloe, with all her suspicions, wants to believe Clark is normal, so she does.




But Lois, who was just along for the ride, was aware enough to notice $500 shoes

Who to say that she was the first to notice those shoes? Let's look at the timeline of events.
Chloe receives a call around 1am to check out a story. Notice the DP is empty.
Then girl gets runover what around 2am?
Then by the time they are being questioned by the police, it must be daylight by now, because the DP is super busy and the outside shot of the DP is in broad daylight.
I find it hard to believe that Lois and Chloe wouldn't have talked about the accident and anything that they noticed.
Futhermore, because of this possiblity, Chloe could have been the one to notice the shoes, since she is into fashion.
So it can't be discounted that Chloe didn't realize this point.




Then the cop is putting them in their place and Chloe is helpless.

I also don't agree that this shows Chloe as helpless.
It has already been established that Lois and Chloe have a sisterly relationship. Since Lois is older than Chloe, in way that makes her the alpha sister.
Chloe has a tendency, when Lois is around to sit back and let her 'older sister' take charge.
Plus, who's to say, she wasn't just sitting back and observing the police reaction to the events and thinking of ways to seek out the truth and justice of the girls death.


Chloe doesn't have the street smarts and the mad dog factor.

I disagree on this. I think maybe her street smarts have softened a little while living in Smallville, but the girl did come from Metropolis, so she knows a thing or two.
Plus, if you have seen the Chloe Chronicles I and/or II or any of her scenes with the Luthors it is obvious that Chloe has the mad dog factor. It might be more subtle than Lois', but it is still there.

Just because Chloe's investivgating style is more subtle and observant than Lois' doesn't mean that it makes her lesser of a reporter. Both styles can lead being the best reporters. For instance just like in acting, not all great actors act the same way. Or not all writers write the same way.

And as far as who is the better reporter right now in the Smallville universe?

Hands down Chloe. She's got the experience and the writing down pat.
Lois still hasn't shown much in the writing department. Finding the story is one thing, but writing it in a objective yet captivating manner is another.

[freefall]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
WHAT WORK DID LOIS DO?!

Seriously, what?

She followed Chloe around, doing what Chloe told her to do. She asked one good question.


She stands up to the the cop, while her cousin stands in the background like a little girl, after Sawyer simply dismissed it Melissa's death as "it's no mystery what happened down there".


Originally posted by Dannyblue1

She danced on a poll (which, you know, didn't really help solve the case),


Except that if it wasn't for Lois' agreeing to strip dance, both of them would have been killed right there and then for snooping around.


Originally posted by Dannyblue1

then got herself kidnapped by the bad guy because she had no idead he was the bad guy.


So Chloe knew who's the bad guy?


Originally posted by Dannyblue1

Also, to be a great newspaper reporter, you have to be a great writer. You have to be able to put what you've found out into words that can make people laugh, cry, furious, etc. You don't have to be a good speller, but you for darned sure have to know how to write.

Lois first article at the Torch garnered fan mails and "new celeb" status.

[SheaMan]

"I think this is code for filethis under the rug"

Right there!
She didn't ask a real question. She challenged the cop. That lead to further involvement from the cop. In this episode she really just runs on brass and bra alone. I'll admit shes missing a certain amount of "technique" ..if you will.

But its the no hold barred, getter done attitude that will make her into the reporter she is destined to be.

Even when Chloe is being a "no nonsense" reporter she has a meekish almost apologetic look on her face. Lois - shes a killer when shes being nice!

As the man says - "your a bulldog Lois"

Kinda like.. "Perry "BullDog" White...?

[Acejournalist82]

Lois

[rebecavaldez]

Chloe would have been a wonderful reporter...but her friendship with Clark was a distraction. So, she was off doing his homework a lot.
Lois on the other hand focuses on her work. She does have a social life, but her job is more important to her right now...

[KelterDai]

Without a doubt, Lois. Reporters are great when they have passion and a desire for the truth. That is what Lois has and not Chloe. Spell check requirement aside. lol

I see Chloe more as novelist of science fiction novels, or some kind of analyst or scientist. She does love research../