Superman's reflection

[xrayvision]

Was it me, or did it seem like Superman's reflection was seen in the globe on top of the Daily Planet building at the very end? It seemed like he had his arms crossed with the cape flying. I could have sworn that's what I saw.

[Ebert & Roeper]

just checked, and I did not see anything like that. Don't have HD, so I can't say i am positive that I'm right, but wouldn't that be a little confusing to do that?

[ILoveClana]

I'm not seeing it.

[Beans]

Yeah, but I saw a glint of something. I thought it might have been a picture, but I didn't get to see it properly, and I couldn't tape it :(.

[MarkAllan22]

I see what the topic creator is talking about, but I think it's a reflection of another building.

[xrayvision]

Well, if Chloe was recalling this from the future, then maybe that was Superman's reflection? You can definitely see something...whether it's a building or Superman, I don't know. But it seemed like it was moving.

[gC27]

it couldnt be, even if it was chloes recalling from the future even though its not, at the end she goes to the basement which means she was still telling the story of how she began at the planet

[KarrEl22]

can anyone get a screencap of it?

[AnimeJoe]

Was probably a reflection of Nuclear Man from Superman IV;)

[xrayvision]

It really does look like someone is standing up and is in that reflection. The DVD should have better quality than the tape I taped it on, so once that comes out, I'll take another look. It would be very interesting if this was truly being narrated from the future and Superman really was standing on the building while Chloe was telling the story. I just hope that the future wasn't from the grave for Chloe.

[Turb0]

hey i see it! but the superman appears to be white.. no blue/red.... but still ur right! i can even see the superman symbol slightly.. i'll try making a screen cap

ok i got one.. here u go guys.. look carefully at the globe

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/6637/supes7sa.jpg

[Cookie 28]

You know, thats a little freaky looking. Well it is Halloween.

[Randy G.]

Here's ya' go. Am I seeing it right?
It DOES look like the longer haired Superman from the comics.

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/614/bscap3498ux.th.jpg (http://img346.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap3498ux.jpg)

[Turb0]

maybe it could be zod! :-o

[xrayvision]

You can see the cape there as well. Thanks Turb0 and Randyg.

[Turb0]

glad to help out! .. and ur right u can see the cape... but its white.. hmmmm
i wonder why they put that there? unless they took that shot out of the movie

[xrayvision]

I think I can even see the underwear part of the suit (you know what I mean). It's funny, since the beginning of the episode has another shot of the globe, and it seems like there may be another reflection (a dark one, looks more like Lex) or something else maybe from another building. It definitely doesn't look the same as the reflection in the end.

Turb0, if you can find/create a screenshot of the reflection from the beginning, it would be cool to do a comparison. I really do think this is a hidden easter egg that they added. It would be great if they can confirm it in the S5 DVD commentary.

[orangemonkey]

here's a screencap from the beginning of the show.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6422/smallville6xy.jpg

If you zoom in you can see in the bottom of the globe the reflection of the top of the Daily Planet. That would be the white part on the globe. In the center of the white you can even see the green for the top of the spire that the globe is connected to.

The glowing white part on the left is Austrailia going by, so it is nothing of note. With the exception of being a continent, but nothing noteworthy for this discussion.

I am not sure what the head looking part is though.

OM

[xrayvision]

I dunno. I watched it again on TV and even while the globe is spinning with the various continents of the world moving around, I saw that reflection being stationary. And the part that appears to be his "head" does not appear in the earlier shot.

I'm not sure if it's supposed to be him (or Zod or Jor-El) but when I saw it as it first aired, I definitely took immediate notice of it. The shot near the end seems to have a figure in it with folded arms who is standing up straight (I could make out what appear to be part of his legs). The beginning shot is missing these features. Maybe I'll make nothing more of it and keep it in the back of my mind as a possibility.

But thanks for posting that pic orangemonkey.

[orangemonkey]

The head part does show up at the beginning. It is right next to Austrailia in the pic I posted.

[UpandAtom]

Originally posted by Turb0
glad to help out! .. and ur right u can see the cape... but its white.. hmmmm
i wonder why they put that there? unless they took that shot out of the movie

Last year, in the Superman comics there was a character called Mr. Majestic who looked like (and had similar powers) to Superman but his costume was red and white. So maybe, that means Mr. Majestic exists in Smallville or it could be a time in the future where Superman is gone and Mr. Majestic has to take his place.

[Turb0]

guys ive got a better quality pic of the globe at the start ... and the character on it is exactly the same as the one in the end!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9361/supes14lb.jpg

[xrayvision]

Interesting. Maybe whoever it is was standing there the entire time. It definitely looks like there is a cape. The ending shot they showed was clearer and there definitely appears to be a human shaped reflection. I can make out the head, shoulders, cape, arms (with clenched fists) and legs.

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

Don't forget the bas-relief "S" Seahorses in little "Keystone" shapes in the facade detailing.
(It's odd that they neglected to use the Keystone shape in one of the seahorse thingies)
I also think the "circle over the rectangle detail on the building might have been meant to symbolize the round belt buckle in the original Superman costume.
Another oddity - what keeps the "Daily Planet" ring up - they didn't provide any visible means of support for it!
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9361/supes14lb.jpg

Look at the Daily Planet Globe in Negative and the Superman figure becomes REALLY clear:
http://www.smallville5.com/DPnegative.jpg
http://www.smallville5.com/DPnegative2.jpg
http://www.smallville5.com/DPnegative3.jpg

Head with a little "flip" in the hair, highlight on shoulders and pecs, tapered torso with a highlight on the abdomen, arms, hands on waist at belt, drawers, legs and (of course) the dark cape behind! (and no mask but also no clear facial features)

The reflected image must be intentional because the image is NOT what would be reflected in a sphere of the top of that building.

I suspect during the CAD rendering process for the Daily Planet Globe, someone noticed the dark, slightly curved dark triangle which was the shaded portion of the sloped roof under the globe reflected in the globe itself and thought "Hey, we could slip a Superman shield in there!".

After playing with it a little, they realized that no amount of digital tinkering would make a recognizable "S" shape in that small dark triangle but in all the many trial graphics someone said, "Y'know, I think we could do a whole Superman torso in this mess! Look, here's the torso, and cape and jigger those for hands. All we need is to add a head!"
(IMHO, the head is the hardest reflected image to justify based on the rooftop elements shown).

[Summers]

I feel lame I can't see it :(. Never was good at finding Waldo either :lol:.

[xrayvision]

Damn!! Wow, thanks Eh,Man?You-El?. It really is him. That negative clearly shows it. I thought my eyes weren't deceiving me and now thanks to all of you, I know I was right. Now I wonder if they really meant it as him watching and being in front of the building (i.e. as told by Chloe from the future). I wouldn't at all be surprised. That future superheroes is like a dead give-away.

This is so damn cool!!

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

Originally posted by Summers
I feel lame I can't see it :(. Never was good at finding Waldo either :lol:.

Check out:
http://www.smallville5.com/HeresWaldo.jpg

And thanks to Turbo, XRayVision, et al for pointing this out. The reflections looked a little odd to me during the episode but I wasn't paying close enough attention to catch this wonderful little inside joke from the Smallville post production team!

[Lexgirl33]

its the ghost from the trailer screen cap from earlier ;)

Nice Eh Man! I really see it now...very cool. Nothing gets by smallville fans

[johnny fogg]

Maybe it's the same globe that was used when Clark(w/ red jacket) came out on the rooftop in that s.2 episode.*shrugs*

[UpandAtom]

Does anybody have clips from the globe in "Exile," "Insurgence," and "Delete" to see if this was something unique to this episode or was placed throughout the entire series?

By the way, the figure definitely looks like Mr. Majestic.

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

I took a quick look at screen caps of the Globe from "Exile," "Insurgence," and "Delete" - they were all night imges, very dark and the reflections didn't seem to have any "hidden Images".

I haven't found a screen cap of the globe from the season4 openning credits but I sincerely doubt TPTB added a hidden Superman figure in the globe behind John Glover as the MB!

Personally, I'd say I could see Captain Marvel in the image before I'd say Majestic was portrayed (Another guy with a white cape). Didn't Majestic have some helmet/cowl thingie?
(BTW. It's plain ol' "Majestic" - MR. MajestiK was Charles Bronson)

[margroks]

Man, I looked at that and really couldn't make it out. I first thought it looked like the head of a giant bulldog!

As for Chloe's article, I think it was quite legit to mention the vampires since the girls acted like and were styling themselves after mythical vampires. And that was, as they say, the hook. I see stuff like that in newspapers all the time. I tend to think this shows a Chloe who's continuing to grow as a writer, investigator and journalist. A path "Lois" has yet to even embark upon with anything other than disdain.

I think the scene at the mansion where Lex only responded to Clark's mention of Lana was intentional and not at all TW's delivery and rushing him. Clark was irritated that Lex obviously showed no care for Chloe but responded instantly to the mention of Lana's name.

I gotta continue to disagree with the those who think Lex has been lightswitched. He has been teetering on the brink since we first saw him and even while trying to do the right thing, has never been shy about keeping things from Clark and everyone else such as in Nicodemus. Clark had to confront him before he admitted his complete involvment and even then he lied to CLark about Dr. Hamilton being in the mansion and for no really good reason except keeping the existence of his secret lab researching meteor rocks from Clark. Lex has been growing more underhanded all the time and after the events of Onyx, I still think he was never reintegrated completely and now finds it even easier to switch himself back and forth from good to bad at a moment's notice.

Lana. If Lana and Clark are so close and so in love and humping like bunnies why wouldn't she tell him she's applied much less been accepted. She *****ed at Jason for leaving without notice but it's okay if it's her, of course. Now, she acts like they have no relationship. And Chloe's VO about Clark and Lana "weathering anything" was indeed laughable. She will cut and run on a moment's notice just for school. When she gets jealous or bored? CHeat time. But that's been Lana from the beginning. Tom Welling is so right. Who'd really want a girl like that?

ANd what did happen to that Kryptonite ring? What's this semi-reintegrated Lex doing with it these days?

The most exciting part of this ep (well, except for seeing Clark in a cape although sadly not in tights) was realizing at the very end she was coming to us from the far future.

[Kgatc13]

You must be on ACID!!!

[KryptoniteLacedPie]

Wow. It's pretty neat that they have that picture there. I wonder if they plan on doing more things like that in the future.

[xrayvision]

I certainly hope so. I liked getting our 1st glimpse of Supes, even though it was his reflection.

[Lexgirl33]

props to xrayvision! i guess thats why he has the name right? I would have NEVER noticed if you didnt say something. But its awesome that we get to see superman on the show, no matter what form he may be.

[Kal-El18]

hmm maybe were all on crack <.< lol

[xrayvision]

Thanks Lexgirl33. As soon as I saw that ending shot, I could have sworn I saw Superman in that globe. I'm not usually that detailed-oriented, but for some reason, it really caught my eye. That negative that was posted really clarifies things. If you take the big image posted by Turb0 and make a negative (I used MS Paint and did a color inversion) it's even clearer. I wonder if they slipped stuff like this in the past.

[Lexgirl33]

I did what you said and you can definatly see it. I think its kick ass how they snuck that in there. They would be cool if they did slip other superman like things in the show. Now I think everyone will be looking for something everye episode.

[xrayvision]

Maybe next time instead of having Shadow lesbo vamp-kissing (as SvFan26 put it), they'll have Shadow Supes cape-blowing (in the wind). They can also have water reflections.

[xrayvision]

Well, after seeing Exposed, they used the same image again.

[superman05]

i think its just a reflection of another building

[Green Honor]

i did not see him up there, but i have been recording every episode this season, and then hurricane wilma came, and my vcr was out, so i saw parts of the vampire show thirst. i was really upset because i have not missed a recording. if any1 records the episodes also, can you send me a copy so i can put it on my tape with others in order i would appreciate it. i then would send the one u have back to u. i just want to make a copy of that one episode. thanx

[DGreen]

your not supposed to discuss tape swapping.

[Lana_Lang #1]

That's kinda freaky I do see it!

[Tomsgurl88]

I TOTALLY see it now, it's kinda obvious thats DEFINETLY a reflection of superman.

[StealthyMakoto]

That's pretty sweet... also, another random thing about this episode, anyone catch the "Star Wars" hidden thing? Every Star Wars movie has "1138" hidden in it in some form. Fine told Clark to ask Lex about project 1138.
But back on subject, with the negative pics, that's a lot easier to see, thanks.

[OutlawAngel]

Oh hey that is cool. Never noticed that then. But still very cool and kinda creepy looking.