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SVfan26
10-27-2005, 06:56 PM
Uh wha?
How does Chloe - in the current Smallville world - know Clark will become Superman and work at the DP as CK?
Or did I just totally not hear her dialog right and/or misinterpreted what the ending dialog was about?
tejdog1
10-27-2005, 07:29 PM
Maybe this is a future rememberance episode or something? That confused me, too. Maybe this is her remembering how she first got a job at the DP, and she will end up working with Lois and Clark?
SVfan26
10-27-2005, 07:36 PM
I think this was her narrating from a future time, not just shortly after the events of the episode. Makes sense now.
The whole last part of the dialog was;
"... its the Daily Planet, the paper of record for kings, presidents, and prime ministers. Not to mention future superheros. The way I look(ed?) at it, I had no place to go but up, up, and away."
Only makes sense if she's looking back at her start at the Daily Planet and narrating what happened in her view of the events that led up to that point.
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Going by all that, I'd say Chloe survives the 100th episode and the series finale.
Silent Kal
10-27-2005, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by SVfan26
I think this was her narrating from a future time, not just shortly after the events of the episode. Makes sense now.
The whole last part of the dialog was;
"... its the Daily Planet, the paper of record for kings, presidents, and prime ministers. Not to mention future superheros. The way I look(ed?) at it, I had no place to go but up, up, and away."
Only makes sense if she's looking back at her start at the Daily Planet and narrating what happened in her view of the events that led up to that point.
See, that's the way i was hearing it.
But this brings up a new question: IF Chloe knows about Clark donning the cape for sure, does this mean that she may NOT end up biting the big one by the end of the series?
Or will this fall into the grand canyon of inconsistencies along with everything else?
the_real_lois_lane
10-27-2005, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by SVfan26
I think this was her narrating from a future time, not just shortly after the events of the episode. Makes sense now.
The whole last part of the dialog was;
"... its the Daily Planet, the paper of record for kings, presidents, and prime ministers. Not to mention future superheros. The way I look(ed?) at it, I had no place to go but up, up, and away."
Only makes sense if she's looking back at her start at the Daily Planet and narrating what happened in her view of the events that led up to that point.
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Going by all that, I'd say Chloe survives the 100th episode and the series finale.
i agree completely. i think she's speaking from a few years into the future. and i think this may prove chloe is not the one that dies.
VisionGirl
10-27-2005, 07:42 PM
Unless - its post-mortem narration - you know, Desperate Housewives style. Omniscient.
But let's just hope she survives...
SteveS
10-27-2005, 07:44 PM
Chloe is definitely not whoever bites the dust. She has a destiny of her own.
lastdaughterofkrypton
10-27-2005, 07:45 PM
I've been thinking that maybe Chloe's future involve becoming Perry's right hand like the second in comand in DP that will be only fair :D...If Chlois doesn't happen of course ;)
No-El
10-27-2005, 08:10 PM
Bottom Line people!!
Chloe may or will be alive and happy in the future!
Consider the Jor-El/Lionel/Oracle words of warning in 'Hidden'---"....someone close to you...someone...someone you love..."
Lana confessed in this ep ending that she loved Clark and...said...I never felt so close to you till now...I could only feel warmth, goodness and love"!
Sounds like a forshadowing to me.
dizzy
10-27-2005, 08:17 PM
I don't about future references but I think it has more todo with her having faith in Clark and his future
superhippie2000
10-27-2005, 08:23 PM
but still lana is in the superman series so she cant die
Chole=Lois. I've said it all along
F-Stop Blues
10-27-2005, 08:28 PM
Who knows? I still think Chloe is going to die just because its rare that a character gets something or everything they've always wanted and not have it come crashing down. Im not sure what will happen and thats pretty cool.
the_real_lois_lane
10-27-2005, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Hugo
Chole=Lois. I've said it all along
TPTB won't do that. DC won't let them. Lois is a character in her own right, as is Chloe.
but chloe was awesome in this ep. IMO, AM owned this episode. :)
Hendo
10-27-2005, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by SteveS
Chloe is definitely not whoever bites the dust. She has a destiny of her own.
I don't want her to die because I like her character more than I do Lois. But she has no destiny other than to be friends with superman maybe. Since she was completly made up for SV.
No-El
10-27-2005, 08:54 PM
Let's fess-up folks, we LOVE her/Chloe she's everything a guy wants and girls want to be (still would have loved to see her in a bikini in 'Aqua'!
And with that, if Jor-El comes a call-in on Johnathan Kent, then we can all breath a sigh of relief!!
Remember Johnathan's words in the Kuwatche Cave at the end of Season's 3 finale when he tried to stop Clark and Kara/Lindsay from entering the chamber??
Jor-El uses a firey whip to strangle Johnathan and tells Clark..."don't worry about me son, I've lived a full life, but yours is just beginning----don't go in there!!!"
ill_will69
10-27-2005, 09:23 PM
ok i feel like if someone dies it will be a movie like epsiode kinda like the start of the season the whole superman 2 like episodes where he loses his powers traps them in that thing .well if someone does die i feel like he'll go back in time like when lois dies in superman 1
SteveS
10-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Think outside of the comic book box. Smallville created Chloe and for whatever reason, DC bought her. From nothing came something. The way it is working, one could just as easily extrapolate that Chloe's early story become the newest rendition of the 'unknown' story of Lois Lane and DC take that up as they wish. It is all a matter of popularity.
Or, she finishes Smallville as an alternate universe character. Still someone that DC can utilize. Spending money by any company is intended one way or another to make more money. The way the story is progressing is a way that the character of Chloe make money for DC.
F-Stop Blues
10-27-2005, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by SteveS
Think outside of the comic book box. Smallville created Chloe and for whatever reason, DC bought her. From nothing came something. The way it is working, one could just as easily extrapolate that Chloe's early story become the newest rendition of the 'unknown' story of Lois Lane and DC take that up as they wish. It is all a matter of popularity.
Or, she finishes Smallville as an alternate universe character. Still someone that DC can utilize. Spending money by any company is intended one way or another to make more money. The way the story is progressing is a way that the character of Chloe make money for DC.
I dont think we really know for sure what DC is doing with her if anything. They bought her rights but now I think they arent going to do anything with her. I dont really know. Also she could die on the show but still be in the comics. As we have said Smallville is an elseworld so its not that crazy when you think about it. Maybe after Infinite Crisis they will bring Chloe into the mix. But I dont really know how she would fit in.
bunkmania
10-27-2005, 10:37 PM
Another Episode with no Jonathon or Martha.......
Billy Jor-El
10-27-2005, 10:41 PM
Very interesting thought that this ep was a major flashback of Chloe after she's well established at the Planet...how else to make the "future superheroes" reference? Unless of course it's just a tease that she thinks of herself as a super hero in the reporting world and fantasizes herself as the hero (not too far of a fantasy stretch, folks...she IS a hero).
The hidden story of Lois' beginning at the Planet? hmmm, could be....
PETER WEST
10-28-2005, 06:22 AM
I really like this ending And Chloe was great in this episode.
MsSullivan
10-28-2005, 06:27 PM
LOVED these two quotes!
Chloe def. has a future!
I <3 Chloe! (and the chlois theory)
Shazam
10-28-2005, 08:05 PM
I think she said future Superhero, because now that she's in she's planning on using Clark to help her get assignments that will move her "up up and away" in the company (DP)
RemDiamond
10-28-2005, 08:15 PM
"I dont think we really know for sure what DC is doing with her if anything."
True, but in a way I think this leads more credence to the Chlois theory. If Chlois is the plan, it would make sense for DC to buy the rights to Chloe Sullivan and not do anything with the character until SV does its reveal.
djpnutz
10-28-2005, 08:16 PM
Chloe = supergirl?
Mr. E
10-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by SVfan26
I think this was her narrating from a future time, not just shortly after the events of the episode. Makes sense now.
The whole last part of the dialog was;
"... its the Daily Planet, the paper of record for kings, presidents, and prime ministers. Not to mention future superheros. The way I look(ed?) at it, I had no place to go but up, up, and away."
Only makes sense if she's looking back at her start at the Daily Planet and narrating what happened in her view of the events that led up to that point.
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Going by all that, I'd say Chloe survives the 100th episode and the series finale.
How do you figure she means a superhero is going to work there. "Paper of record for..." Meaning recorded on paper. I think she means Clark will appear in an article showing off one of his rescues, you since Chloe knows he takes no credit for anything he does. And she says "kings, presidents, and prime ministers," I don't any of those guys have or will be working for the DP, but they most likely have been in the paper.
vikingjedi
10-28-2005, 10:39 PM
Excellent thread. This is the kind of stuff I like to read. Now it makes sense.
Billy Jor-El
10-28-2005, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by djpnutz
Chloe = supergirl?
Always has in my book ;)
SteveS
10-28-2005, 11:08 PM
"of record : being documented or attested <a partner of record in several firms>"
In this sense, the correct definition in context is as above, implying that the Daily Planet was read by heads of state and that somewhere it has been recorded that they read the DP. Of course the heads of state don't work at the Daily Planet, the implication is that it is a coup to work there, certainly as a writer read by heads of state much less by superheroes. (who very well might be co-workers)
kal-el03
10-29-2005, 12:00 AM
She said that because she knows (she's guessing) , that clark will become a hero one day, he saved so many people in Smallville.She didnt say anything about Clark working at the Daily Planet
Ketchup
10-29-2005, 12:03 AM
"Future superheroes" was her refering to Clark reading the DP, cuz rite before she mentioned that Presidents,etc. read it too.
"Up, Up, and Away" was just somethihng she said... had nothing to do with anything... well of course for us SV watchers it did, but not for her.
Small2
10-29-2005, 12:12 AM
I also got the feeling from the ending that Chloe was not on the chopping block. It makes sense if you view it from Al Gough's perspective.
Why would I kill off my truly unique contribution to the Superman mythos, Choe Sullivan, who has a large fan following well before the series end?
Choe will survive Episode 100 and well beyond.
achilles
10-29-2005, 12:51 AM
I came in late on the episode but i thought at first it was fake and she was writing a story but then i realized she was writing the article and by then end it was clear she was narrating from years the future.
I dont think Chloe will die, or become Lois (I once shared in that theory). I think sometime towards the end of the show, Chloe will let something slip, or better yet, have her journalism come in the way of her friendship with Clark, or partner up with Lex. This will destroy Chloes friendship, because Clark will no longer trust her. She will be able to live her life as a journalist, but just not be friends with Clark, thus explaining why you don't see her in the future.
or as a worst theory, maybe she was narrating from the grave like they do in Desperate Housewives.
achilles
10-29-2005, 03:25 AM
Thats an interesting way to look at it, but i think that she will go crazy like her mother, or she will be added to continuity like she almost was a few months back and then it's a matter of where she has been.
cmgames
10-29-2005, 04:20 AM
I took it to mean that Chloe was talking from the future and the reference "up, up and away" to be her talking from hell looking down, hence the narration like in DH.
Yup why would the writers kill off their own contribution when it is based on somebody else who they've now brought into the show? Beats me, ego perhaps? For that reason and that reason alone I don't believe they will kill Chloe off.
So my take on it was the up, up and away narrative actually meant nothing and it will come to nothing. They probably just put the bit in because it sounded good or something.
wittyivan
10-29-2005, 06:00 AM
Hey all, new here... but thought id dive right into this topic...
firstly the end quotes, i dont think Chloe was looking back. The way i see it, she was just saying Clark was going to turn out as someone who'd make an impact on the world, (all that power and he's using it for good).
the up up and away bit... i think that was just a little nod to the fans as they've done with references such as the JLA.
A few of you are saying that DC bought the rights to Chloe because they plan to do something with her in comics continuity.... well surely buying the rights is just a formality since WB's Smallville and DC Comics are all owned by the same company. So DC Comics will just have the option of doing something with the character if it wants to, doesnt mean they will.
Anyways, my death theories...
Smallville Lois could die.... i mean after all Comic Superman died... but i dont think its her.
Jonathan and Martha... no way, they are the axis of the show, they hold everything together.
My bet is on either Chloe or Lana (or Shelby :). I cant help but think Chloe will go do something stupid with what she knows and getting herself killed.
I think even if the death occurs on either Chloe or Lana, it wont last, they are big stars of the show, killing them off forever could risk hurting the profitability of the show (and its all down to money with the networks).
Eklipse60
10-29-2005, 06:23 AM
This was not from any future perspective. She was simply saying that everyone who is anyone reads the DP. That is why getting the job was significant. She has faith that Clark will be a Superhero someday so he will read the paper also.
About the deaths...remember that Smallville and the next Superman movie are following the Richard Donner continuity...which means......Johnathon Kent will die eventually maybe not in EP100 but eventually.. So who else could it be?
Not Lana .....Lana lives in the comics and Richard Donner movies and marries Pete ross.
Not Martha .... she Lives in Donnor continuity and comic.
Not Lex....Duh
Shariff Adams dies but that isn't major enough...is it?
Not Lois.....Too much foreshadowing she is the Lois that Clark marries. It would be so lame for Lois to die and Chloe assumes her identity
SO that leaves the death suspects as
Johnathon maches continuity but I don't think likely right now
Shariff Adamas definate but not really major in my eyes
Chloe.....yeah I can SO see this happening..Basically Clark is running around trying to save all his "loved ones" and Chloe dies unexpectadly and unexplained and Clark feels great remorse for not saving her and in honor of her cousin Lois starts "investigating Chloes death and a reporter is born
Lionel Luthor - Don't take the "Someone you love" too literally...remember Superman loves and cherishes all human life.
~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
10-29-2005, 08:06 AM
I believe it was from the the future ala Mary Alice on Desperate Housewives, the thing is how the heck did she know about the Fine/Lex stuff, and if she's trying to protect the people involved in the story why didn't she change Lana and Clark's names too?
I'd say the "up, up and away" is a spiritual thing that she's narrating from the grave, or someone's reading from a journal of hers in the future.
Oh well alot of this episode didn't make sense anyways, I mean the Chloe voiceover was just a Veronica Mars ripoff anyyways :rolleyes:
commencement_rox
10-29-2005, 08:10 AM
she has already said herself that clark is a superhero to her and she said that the paper keeps record of king's presidents and prime ministers and to mention future superhero's. she said she was already a superhero in her book but he will later be a superhero in other people's books to once they find out about him i think that's what she means cause she is gonna write about him
cmgames
10-29-2005, 08:16 AM
So she is going to expose him? What a nice friend Chloe is.
Seriously, it can't be what you said because to be a superhero who she can write about, he will have to adorn the mantle of superman. Therefore she wasn't writing from present as how does she know she will be writing about him as Superman?
Eklipse60
10-29-2005, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by cmgames
So she is going to expose him? What a nice friend Chloe is.
Seriously, it can't be what you said because to be a superhero who she can write about, he will have to adorn the mantle of superman. Therefore she wasn't writing from present as how does she know she will be writing about him as Superman?
You are Assuming too much.....She has no clue he will be "Superman" but she has already said he is a Superhero. She meant that the paper is read by Kings and people of note. She believes Clark will become a person of note. That is all.
cmgames
10-29-2005, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Eklipse60
You are Assuming too much.....She has no clue he will be "Superman" but she has already said he is a Superhero. She meant that the paper is read by Kings and people of note. She believes Clark will become a person of note. That is all.
So he will become a reader of the Daily Planet?:p I was just making an assumption based on what the previous user said, quite realistic actually.
RemDiamond
10-29-2005, 08:42 AM
I believe it was stated from the future not based on what she said about the paper, but that she said something like I HAD no place to go but ... It was in the past tense and made it obvious she was refering to her own history imo. If in fact it was Chloe in the future, she would know that CK works for DP and that he is a superhero at that point aka Superman. I do not think they were throw away anvils. However, it doesn't mean Chlois is happening either, but I think TPTB are purposely leaving the door open and teasing fans.
No-El
10-29-2005, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I dont think we really know for sure what DC is doing with her if anything. They bought her rights but now I think they arent going to do anything with her. I dont really know. Also she could die on the show but still be in the comics. As we have said Smallville is an elseworld so its not that crazy when you think about it. Maybe after Infinite Crisis they will bring Chloe into the mix. But I dont really know how she would fit in.
I agree with the "overall" assessments!
I however, personally believe that by the 100th episode which is in February 2006 (4 months away to wait!---already probably in post production) that Chloe and Lana as "Freshman college roommates" will BE ALIVE----logically who TPTB would NOT kill a college freshman in "Mid-Season"!
Unless for personal or financial reasons, Allison and/or Kristin opted out of their contracts! Which is unlikely bc for one thing Allison has just purchased a house she is remodeling and doing some traveling. Kristin probably the same.
I must be one and/or both the Veteran actors that may opt out.
I like to search any database for clues even the Season 5 synopsis!
I'll have to get back on this one.:)
dhacker615
10-29-2005, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by djpnutz
Chloe = supergirl?
How about Chloe = Chloe?
They introduced Lois Lane, so the idea of Chloe dyeing her hair and changing her name is laughable. They do Lois & Clark foreshadowing all the time.
Chloe is not at the Planet in the comics. Sure, they can do it differently on the show, but why? The more interesting story is how she made different choices in her life and why.
Omnipotent narration could very easily be a hint that she dies. "American Beauty" was narrated by a dead character, so was "Sunset Blvd." Not exactly a radical idea.
Shazam
10-29-2005, 10:10 AM
Two people? who will probably die..
Shelby and the Sheriff
Other possibilities... Johnathan and Lionel.
I'm thinking Lionel because Jar-el can take over his body and possibly someone might attack Lionel while he is being possessed.
dhacker615
10-29-2005, 10:24 AM
Jk and Lionel would certainly be the most dramatic. Both John Schneider and John Glover would be huge loses to the show. The Sheriff, on the other hand, is terrible.
last man of krypton
10-29-2005, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Eklipse60
She has no clue he will be "Superman" but she has already said he is a Superhero... She believes Clark will become a person of note. That is all.
Ditto. She's always on at Clark in using his gifts to benefit mankind, so follows that she believes she'll have the honour of writing of his exploits in time.
Eh,Man?You-El?
10-29-2005, 01:33 PM
The superman tag line "Up, Up and Away!" always struck me as slightly odd (like the human torch shouting "Flame On!") The words aren't necessary for flight, certainly. So Superman was shouting it for dramatic effect for some audience. In that sense it was sort of a narration of the action of rising "UP" and still higher and then "Away" from the viewer.
In the case of Chloe's narration, however the phrase "Up, Up and Away!" made little sense EXCEPT as an in-joke from Chloe (who seems to know her audience is aware of the line as used by Superman). If the line is applied to Chloe in the basement of the Daily Planet, it would have to suggest she rises "up" in the Daily planet organization and then "Away" from the Daily Planet to something else (possibly more significant).
Who knows, maybe when she mentioned "future superheroS" (plural), Chloe is including herself.
Of course not! That would imply thoughtful, sophisticated writing!
This is Smallville, the town that continuity forgot!
The writers just couldn't resist using as many throwaway allusions as they could remember in order to save the Halloween turkey that was "Thirst".
Eklipse60
10-29-2005, 02:00 PM
"Up, Up, and Away" used in the context of the EP meant that because she was in the basement she lterally couldn't go any lower so all she had was "Up, Up, and Away"
Obviously this was an "in-joke" to the superman mythos for us fans but it was nothing more. I don't understand why people are overthinking this. Here I will make a similar arguement.
HAHA LOLZ Clark said "I'm not ready for the JLA yet." LOLZ Clark is clearly speaking from the future, how else would he know about the JLA... OH WAIT It's not really CLARK making this stuff up IT"s the writers. Oh wait It's not really Clark (Chloe) who knows about the JLA (Superman) It's the writers.
lastdaughterofkrypton
10-29-2005, 03:20 PM
I've thinking that maybe they writers are telling us that Chloe will write the adventures of Superman and Lois in the future. Liek she will be their biographer of some sorts :confused:
Hendo
10-29-2005, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by bunkmania
Another Episode with no Jonathon or Martha.......
they're supporting charactrers. They don't need to be in every episode. Expect to see even less of them since further on in the season Clark will be spending tons of time in metropolis.
krpto
10-29-2005, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by SVfan26
Uh wha?
How does Chloe - in the current Smallville world - know Clark will become Superman and work at the DP as CK?
Or did I just totally not hear her dialog right and/or misinterpreted what the ending dialog was about?
i beleave she meant that she will work hard to go up up and away till she reaches the top of the daily planet and that she asumes with all of carlos's great powers he has to become somekind of superhero the dailyplanet would write about.
Christine C
10-29-2005, 08:02 PM
Its funny how lately Clark and Chole have been working together like the future, Clark/Lois team,and Chole has been acting even more like Lois Lane. Not sure why the writers are doing this. They hinted that Chole may not get the job at the Daily Planet but now we know she ends up working there. I don't believe she's going to die now, but be working at the D.P. when Clark is Superman. I'm still wondering how their going to make us believe Lois, who is a lousy student, suddenly becomes this great journalist overnight, and gets a job at at The D. P.while Chole who shows talent now, already has an internship there. Not to mention, Clark and Lana break up only to have him fall for Chole's cousin. Poor Chole, she can't get a break. I was a big fan of Lois and Clark, and always thought I would love Lois Lane coming on S.V. but in this show, to me C.S. is the real Lois.
lastdaughterofkrypton
10-29-2005, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Christine C
Its funny how lately Clark and Chole have been working together like the future, Clark/Lois team,and Chole has been acting even more like Lois Lane. Not sure why the writers are doing this. They hinted that Chole may not get the job at the Daily Planet but now we know she ends up working there. I don't believe she's going to die now, but be working at the D.P. when Clark is Superman. I'm still wondering how their going to make us believe Lois, who is a lousy student, suddenly becomes this great journalist overnight, and gets a job at at The D. P.while Chole who shows talent now, already has an internship there. Not to mention, Clark and Lana break up only to have him fall for Chole's cousin. Poor Chole, she can't get a break. I was a big fan of Lois and Clark, and always thought I would love Lois Lane coming on S.V. but in this show, to me C.S. is the real Lois.
Baby You are not crazy there are more people like us; they call us Chloisers you can find us all over the net but in kryptonsite we got a place to discuss this: Chloe's psuedonym - Chloe=Lois is on the Spoilers and Speculation - Smallville Theories & Speculation you must read at least the first and last 20 pages I would recomend you to read it all because is really interesting but if got 444 pages now :eek: and I don't think you got that kind of time for it. But come, we'll talk and make a resume for you. Join the Chlois is worth it !!! :D
CheckIt!
10-29-2005, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by SteveS
Chloe is definitely not whoever bites the dust. She has a destiny of her own.
This particular eppisode was very strange as it was spoofing on Buffy the Vampire Slyer, introducing the heated discord between Lex & Fine/Brainiac (which was so freakin' awsome!), as well as being a flashback/Veronica Marsish eppisode from Chloe's point of view from sometime in the future. That being said, if the series continues to be as good as it has been this season I could definitly see potential for a Chloe series all her own.
~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
10-29-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by SteveS
Chloe is definitely not whoever bites the dust. She has a destiny of her own.
No one knows that, only the writers, we can't even say that's for certain, personally I think they're just jerking Chloe fans around, I mean Al and Miles gets some perverted pleasure out of doing this to their fanbases(they jerk Clana fans around too at times). I think they get a kick out of leading people on.
So my point is we don't know who is going to die, and yes it could most certainly be Chloe, maybe not this season but before the show is over, she's Al and Miles' creation, honestly they can do whatever the heck they want with her, except make her Lois cause they've already said Chloe is Chloe, and Lois is Lois, so that makes her VERY expendable.
Also her knowing Clark's secret makes her even more expendable, I have a feeling that's why they're holding off Lana finding out because they've said before that anyone who knows Clark's secret has to die(his parents are the only exception), Pete was the exception to that, but he did move away.
spideyfan
10-29-2005, 10:23 PM
The quotes were magnificant. Chloe rocks. This thread rocks and of course SV rocks.!
Billy Jor-El
10-30-2005, 07:21 AM
Al and Miles better change their names and move to Siberia if they harm Chloe. Perverted sense or not, they will be trash in our book if they harm the most important (and beautiful) wman in SV. Yes, I believe Chloe has an interesting destiny all her own.
Keep posting your support for Chloe!
RemDiamond
10-30-2005, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by cmgames
So she is going to expose him? What a nice friend Chloe is.
Seriously, it can't be what you said because to be a superhero who she can write about, he will have to adorn the mantle of superman. Therefore she wasn't writing from present as how does she know she will be writing about him as Superman?
What she said in narration was not word for word what was in the article. The narration was for the audience's benefit. It was the story about how she wrote the article which landed her the job. It was not the article itself.
KryptoniteLacedPie
10-30-2005, 01:19 PM
I think Chloe's future Superman comments were tossed in for irony of what's to come. The writers weren't hinting that she has some sort of superior knowledge of what's to come, they were adding puns. And Smallville puns rock hard core :)
kal-el03
10-30-2005, 01:32 PM
The Chloe becomes Lois theory(or the other way around) is too stupid IMO , if they do that i aint watching the show anymore! Lois (in SV has to become LOIS) and Chloe well i dont want her to die.
CK&CK
10-30-2005, 01:46 PM
One of the best Smallville endings ever! To bad it was on one of the worst episodes ever.....or at least half of the episode.
Liriel
10-30-2005, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by CK&CK
One of the best Smallville endings ever! To bad it was on one of the worst episodes ever.....or at least half of the episode.
It was a neat ending, if a little anvil-heavy (esp. if there actually is a figure in the globe). I alternate between squeeing with all the Supes references and rolling my eyes because sometimes they seem so wedged-in.
CK&CK
10-30-2005, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by kal-el03
The Chloe becomes Lois theory(or the other way around) is too stupid IMO , if they do that i aint watching the show anymore! Lois (in SV has to become LOIS) and Chloe well i dont want her to die.
I am personally hoping that Chloe becomes everything that Lois Lane will also eventually become. They are so much alike, and they are both related. I would also like to see Clarkie fall in Love with Chloe, only to lose her, and then wonder if he'll ever meet anyone as beautiful & wonderful ever again. Then....in the Moron's darkest hour, Lois Lane enters his world. Now, Lois at that point isn't Chloe just yet (Chloe was a born reporter.....Cousin Lois.....great reporter...yes, but a late bloomer....and I'm talking about reporting only Guys! Nothing else at the moment). I'd also like to see the future Supergirl as someone tied to both Clark & Chloe.....especially since Allison Mack looks so much like Supergirl in the comics.
To me.....Future Lois Lane isn't Lois Lane.......She's our present CHLOE SULLIVAN! And that's with 3 L's everyone......not just 2.
Billy Jor-El
10-30-2005, 07:09 PM
Perhaps Chloe becomes mortally wounded. Clark's only way to save her is to get her to the FoS. There it's still a losing battle until he appeals to Jor-El for help. He complies...and she is saved, but not as mortal. She is given all powers of a Kryptonian and becomes Supergirl.
The real Lois (ED) can take her place at the Planet....
And I run off with Supergirl :D :p :D
chlarklove
10-30-2005, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Also her knowing Clark's secret makes her even more expendable, I have a feeling that's why they're holding off Lana finding out because they've said before that anyone who knows Clark's secret has to die(his parents are the only exception), Pete was the exception to that, but he did move away.
(emphasis mine)
Really? When did they say this? Was it in some interview or article some where? Cause I'd really like to read that.
photogirl
10-31-2005, 06:32 AM
I think she just knows that clark will be come a superhero someday..she didn't say "Superman" or anything like that, so that is what I think.
Black & White
10-31-2005, 08:07 AM
In my opinion, Chloe was speaking from the future and she was not saying that Clark will work there, she knows that Clark will become a Superhero, at least, for her he's like a hero.
On the other hand, I do not believe that Chloe dies. Have DC Comics bought Chloe's rights to do nothing with her? And IMO tptb don't want to loose money by killing her own character which has a lot of fans out there.
In addition, I think that Chloe is the Lois of the Daily Planet, don't get me wrong, I really like Lois, she has brought something special to the show, but the situation must change a lot if she is going to work for the Daily and become that brilliant journalist. And Chloe is like the Lois from the Daily Planet right now, so CHLOIS theory is still possible, but we are not speaking about that...
Back to the topic, I see Chloe working for the Daily and she knows she will become an excellent journalist, that's why she says "up, up and away".
(sorry for my bad english)
dhacker615
10-31-2005, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by Black & White
In my opinion, Chloe was speaking from the future and she was not saying that Clark will work there, she knows that Clark will become a Superhero, at least, for her he's like a hero.
On the other hand, I do not believe that Chloe dies. Have DC Comics bought Chloe's rights to do nothing with her? And IMO tptb don't want to loose money by killing her own character which has a lot of fans out there.
In addition, I think that Chloe is the Lois of the Daily Planet, don't get me wrong, I really like Lois, she has brought something special to the show, but the situation must change a lot if she is going to work for the Daily and become that brilliant journalist. And Chloe is like the Lois from the Daily Planet right now, so CHLOIS theory is still possible, but we are not speaking about that...
Back to the topic, I see Chloe working for the Daily and she knows she will become an excellent journalist, that's why she says "up, up and away".
(sorry for my bad english)
DC bought the rights because it is going to be impossible to to tell a High School era story without mentioning her. Chloe is now part of the Superman "cannon", but that doesn't mean she will live past her 19th birthday. I'm not saying she is done, but there is no reason to think she isn't.
I hope they find something else for her to do, rather than work at the Planet. They created a memorable character, so it would be a shame to turn her into "Baby Lois".
SteveS
10-31-2005, 09:42 AM
Consider the logic of a company expending money for a character (acquistion) and then destroying it so that the acquisition can never pay for itself. Even the dumbest comic book exec wouldn't do that. It would be the same as buying real estate property for XXX$s and then destroying it's intrinsic value with no hope of recouping the investment.
The reason DC bought (assuming this purchase actually happened) the character of Chloe was they saw her appeal and potential. An arbitrary 'death' of Chloe at 19 would be a stupid corporate decision. She will live to make money to recoup her costs and then add profit to the DC bottom line.
Anything else is just kid-stuff.
dhacker615
10-31-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by SteveS
Consider the logic of a company expending money for a character (acquistion) and then destroying it so that the acquisition can never pay for itself. Even the dumbest comic book exec wouldn't do that. It would be the same as buying real estate property for XXX$s and then destroying it's intrinsic value with no hope of recouping the investment.
The reason DC bought (assuming this purchase actually happened) the character of Chloe was they saw her appeal and potential. An arbitrary 'death' of Chloe at 19 would be a stupid corporate decision. She will live to make money to recoup her costs and then add profit to the DC bottom line.
Anything else is just kid-stuff.
It depends on what they paid.
I have only heard about buying the rights to the Chloe character on these boards, so I have no idea about any of the details of the transaction. However, it is probably not much. Even if Chloe survives, it is not like "Chloe Sullivan: Monster Hunter" is an annonced title that I am aware of. They bought her rights to use as a supporting character, so she is never going to generate a ton of revenue.
The most likely scenario is that thery are considering a "young Clark Kent" title. In that case, "Smallville" fans would expect Chloe as a supporting character. Maybe she will turn up in the "Superman" books at some point, but I doubt it will be until after "Smallville" is off-the-air. No way the writers give up that much creative lattitude.
Finally, even if Chloe appears in the comics as an adult, who is to say that means anything about her fate on the show? "Smallville" struggles with being internally consistent. How on Earth are they going to control what a freelance writer for DC comics does?
lastdaughterofkrypton
10-31-2005, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by dhacker615
It depends on what they paid.
I have only heard about buying the rights to the Chloe character on these boards, so I have no idea about any of the details of the transaction. However, it is probably not much. Even if Chloe survives, it is not like "Chloe Sullivan: Monster Hunter" is an annonced title that I am aware of. They bought her rights to use as a supporting character, so she is never going to generate a ton of revenue.
Yes but DC is a business Chloe has a HUGE fan base if you look into all the other's smalville sites she is the one with the biggest numbers of threads she competes with Clark and Lex so wich such a potential don't you think is strange they haven't added YET to any comic book? They added Lionel and he doesn't have no even half of Chloe fan base. Lot of Chloe fans from the show will start to buy comics if her favorite blond reporter were there. She will be Superman's Harley Queen :D I think they are waiting "something" special ;) for Chloe to happen before they can add her.
Scorpio31
10-31-2005, 09:02 PM
Okay we don't know what’s going to happen, there are no sure bets on SV, Chloe could die, Lana, & Lois also? The fact of the matter is we don't know for sure what the writers have planned all we can do is guess. For people who disagree and think Lois can't die, wake up, just like Lois is important to superman, Chloe is far more important to SV then Lois is. After all this is SV we never know what’s going to happen. (That’s also its charm)
Mr. E
10-31-2005, 09:51 PM
If Lois dies, there would be no Lois and Clark. Now I know there is plenty of continuity problems in Smallville, but that would just be kind of dumb.
kamaro999
10-31-2005, 10:57 PM
I haven't read any spoilers, but I get the vibe that someone is definitely dying in the 100th episode? I know that that's what Lion-El told clark at the FOS, but I have to say I'm skeptical. In my opinion the two options are: Clark finds some way to keep his "loved one" from dying, or Jonathan bites it. That's what goes down in the Superman film. I know it's out of sequence, but let me put it this way: how many times have you seen John Schneider in one of those WB cast preview things with the green and black background? It's always Michael, Tom, and Kristin. I don't know if Allison's been in one or not, but she definitely has the potential to be. She's a young, attractive actress that they can use to promote the show. Schneider's an AMAZING actor, and he's done wonders with the Jonathan Kent character, but at the end of the day, from a storyline perspective, he's the expendable one. Just my opinions. Also, I totally misunderstood Chloe's closing line about "Future superheroes." I thought she said, "Not exactly future superheroes," but then I rewatched...and I gotta say, that was a really weird choice. Anyway I'm probably WAY off topic. My 2 cents...
Scorpio31
10-31-2005, 11:38 PM
To Mr.E: Okay maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say, You have a point in that it would be dumb to kill Lois because there wouldn't be a Lois & Clark, sure it would be if this were Lois & Clark, but it isn't this is smallville, and in smallville Lois is just a side note, who doesn't serve a real purpose. That being said, Chloe is more important to both the fans & the show, and killing her would be a far bigger mistake, then killing Lois. Chloe serves afar greater importance than Lois ever would to the show; she might be more important in super’s mythos but serves no importance to SV. I can't stress this enough, this isn't superman, this isn't Lois & Clark (it's a version of them yeah but it's not) this is Smallville welcome to the new version, where anything can happen. Hope you like it!!!
livn_life
11-01-2005, 09:21 AM
Did anyone consider that a loved one may die but not necessarily stay dead?
Personally, I think the loved one will be Jor el. A bitter sweet moment. Just as Clark comes to appreciate and love his biological father, Jor el dies and is no more. Leaving Clark as the Last Son of Krypton.
Do that in http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44349
or http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46902
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44211
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44208
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44220
Alot of Comparison to "Sex in the City" or "Veronica Mars" narration.
It's Not an omnicient narration casue all of it is being done while chloe is in a dorm.
And the way is see it the superheroes are the reporter remark. anything else you tell me.
Except any future remarke are just Mytohs reference for fans.
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