Too much blood , too gory

[jimmyolsenblues]

Okay , I know I am the old man of the boards, I know I sound like the old fogie stogie. But listen , I have a son nine years old , and I would like to watch a superman show with him. Can TPTB cut down on the over use of blood and gore?:confused:

[vyperman7]

Blood and vampires kinda go hand in hand though don't they?

[Rafael122]

Yeah bro...and its rated TV 14 with LV. There's a reason why they are ratings for each show.

I understand where you are coming from though. But they're vampires, and that's their MO. They suck on you, or in this episodes case, they make out with other women.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Yes but the pizza boy could have been killed , without that much blood. I am not saying make it Disney Channel, I am just saying can we keep it PG?

[RedPhoenix23]

So you're saying thats okay for your nine year old to watch a pizza delivery man get killed, just don't be too bloody about it? hmmm?

Sorry, I don't think murder can be PG!

[jimmyolsenblues]

You know what , at 9, you know people get killed in a PG movie. The hot tub does not have to turn red with blood. I had the same problem with the movie Spiderman 2, the bad guy can kill people without blood going everywhere. It my opinion the opening scene was too gratitutious with blood. Hey maybe I have too much of old fashion view, but I am 36 , by then I wonder how you feel about it.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Yes but the pizza boy could have been killed , without that much blood. I am not saying make it Disney Channel, I am just saying can we keep it PG?

Responsibility means making choices, not ruining things for other people so that you won't have to choose.

[shy175223]

Beisides WB do say they are changing they way they do shows. More geared toward adults now. right??

[jimmyolsenblues]

You can have an adult show without the hot tub turning red with blood.

[Brainiac_13]

3 girls, one guy? Hey check it out, Billy!

They killed him? THIS IS A DISGRACE!

[Remus]

I think that there wasn't much gore for someone being murdered.. Smallville is rated what it's rated for a reason. There might be a few scenes that you might not let your kid watch.

I think, even if I perfer the Angel-esque vampire bite - The blood doesn't go EVERYWHERE - the bloody-hot tub water was meant to show people "EVIL MURDEROUS BLOOD SUCKING FIENDS." in a way that wouldn't look corny. Wasn't that much worse than what you'd see on 'Shark Week' on the Discovery Channel. :P

Just my bit on that.

[RedPhoenix23]

To each is own. I actually respect that you actively take the effort to screen what your child watches instead of screaming about it after they watch it by themselves.

But, I personally do not want what I watch to be censored down to the point that elementry and pre-school kids can watch it, especially when the show is clearly not rated for them.

[Phaedron]

This show is obviously being geared now towards more of an adult audience. While I think there are and should be limits as to what they do, I don't think small children should have ever been watching it. There are episodes that I have not let my 13-yr old watch and am considering not letting her watch anymore because of the subject matter and direction the show is going.

Just my two cents...

[Arista 07]

The teaser was far too graphic for my tastes, and I think unnecessarily so.

[Summers]

I agree. Very bad form, and way too b-movie like. Reminded me of Dusk Till Dawn actually. There are less gory ways to have vampires.

[Aloof]

It was rated 'TV-14' for a reason... :rolleyes: That's nothing compared to Texas Chainsaw Massacre. :o

[Summers]

It just way too b-movie. To the point it was lame.

[norman619]

What are you talking about? There wasn't any gore at all and only 3 scenes where you see some blood. I thought the episode was a bit campy. Dude, take it easy I'm sure your kid has seen much worse while at his friend's place and in comics if you let him read them. I grew up watching Japanese cartoons and horror movies. My parents had a good understanding that it's not real. It's entertainment and that their kids had enough brain cells in their heads to know it's not real. Japanese cartoons are the most violent there is and not one of my brothers or sisters got into many fights or used violence to solve our probs. I feel you are undersestimating and insulting your kid's intelligence.
Now back to the episode.... alot of the "gore" as you call it was implied. Much like Jurassic Park. The episode sucked really bad. Hope the writers get sued by the creators of the T2 movie. They totally ripped off the T1000.



Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Okay , I know I am the old man of the boards, I know I sound like the old fogie stogie. But listen , I have a son nine years old , and I would like to watch a superman show with him. Can TPTB cut down on the over use of blood and gore?:confused:

[superhippie2000]

i liked the blood and stuff that was cool. im surprised u didnt have any problem with a bunch of sluty vampires trying to get freaky with the pizza boy and getting drunk

[Kreukie]

If this episode was bad, I guess you won't be watching next weeks episode of Lois stripping.

[ferd]

I gotta say I don't watch horror movies--I'm not into gore at all. I'm 29 and one of the biggest chickens you've ever seen. I personally don't find horrific blood and gut scenes entertainment, however I personally didn't find the opening scene too graphic. I think they have shown much, much worse scenes in Smallville--like the one with the 'frozen' person's head busting all over the floor--That was too much IMHO.

[The Captain]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Okay , I know I am the old man of the boards, I know I sound like the old fogie stogie. But listen , I have a son nine years old , and I would like to watch a superman show with him. Can TPTB cut down on the over use of blood and gore?:confused: If you think there was a lot of blood and gore in this episode you have obviously never seen Saving Private Ryan and I'm pretty sure its rated R for a reason just like smallville is rated TV-14 for a reason


Originally posted by superhippie2000
i liked the blood and stuff that was cool. im surprised u didnt have any problem with a bunch of sluty vampires trying to get freaky with the pizza boy and getting drunk Yeah that made me laugh that some people thought it was immoral for the slutty vampires and the girl on girl, but then had no problem with the obvious under age mass drinking. Lana was pounding what looked like (either big shots or double shots) like it was some kind of contest!! Which brings up some thing else hilarious when the sorority girls got drunk all they did was complain about guys which is funny because that is exactly what girls do when they get hammed!!!!
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[smallvilleobsessor17]

Originally posted by Phaedron
This show is obviously being geared now towards more of an adult audience. While I think there are and should be limits as to what they do, I don't think small children should have ever been watching it. There are episodes that I have not let my 13-yr old watch and am considering not letting her watch anymore because of the subject matter and direction the show is going.

Just my two cents...


I agree with that, but I am around that age, a little older, and it did not bother me that much. Sure, the pizza scene was a litttle gory, but many Smallville episodes were like that before, some worse,like "Unsafe." I couldn't watch that one. It was PERVERTED!!!

[norman619]

Originally posted by smallvilleobsessor17
I agree with that, but I am around that age, a little older, and it did not bother me that much. Sure, the pizza scene was a litttle gory, but many Smallville episodes were like that before, some worse,like "Unsafe." I couldn't watch that one. It was PERVERTED!!!

Man the puritan values I sometimes see here always blow me away...

[whitegold]

I guess what it really boils down to is should Smallville be a PG, or should it be a Tv-14.

TPTB have obviously decided on it no longer being PG.

In my opinion this is a great shame. Others will hold a differing opinion.

I can't help but think that the gore element or the hyping up a sensual element are in there to appeal to a teen mentality, so people say 'cool'.

LOL - after all see how many comments there were about Lois' cleavage in Aqua!

If Lois' cleavage is a major point, then it shows something lacking at Smallville.

The trouble is that IMO TPTB are trying to put in these gimmicky things because of a lack of real quality writing, and any real quality chemistry.

I've found the writing of Season 5 so far to be mediocre. Some of the dialogue and chemistry between the characters to be inane and lacking.

Smallville is beginning to look mediocre to me - and trying to be cool because of gimmicks rather than quality.

Having said that there was some good dialogue and chemistry this episode, and a tense developing plotline. I felt Lex's acting was very good indeed. There was a tense plot developing with Braniac and some other good things.

But overall I've felt the magic begin to leave Smallville, at least for me.

[pop-n-fresh]

I wonder if ABC Family will air this episode.

PnF

[Quadrotriticale]

Yeah they can tone it down a little.

[Lambshank]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Okay , I know I am the old man of the boards, I know I sound like the old fogie stogie. But listen , I have a son nine years old , and I would like to watch a superman show with him. Can TPTB cut down on the over use of blood and gore?:confused:

Yes, let's tone down a show for teenagers so you can let your 9 year old son watch it.

Jesus... some people...

[whitegold]

Yes, let's tone down a show for teenagers so you can let your 9 year old son watch it.

Jesus... some people...

Yes - some people have different tastes from yourself. What exactly is surprising about that?

Is something really added to SV by upping the gore? I mean does upping the gore add a quality to SV?

Perhaps to some peoples tastes - but most of the threads on this episode have pointed out that the real quality behind this episode was the whole Braniac/Lex interaction.

Is quality really enhanced by going from PG to TV-14? Or is this TPTB simply trying to be gimmicky?

[Lambshank]

If you are going to quote me at least respond to what I was saying, and not assume I'm thinking something else. I'm not bothered people have different tastes, everyone does, so it's pointless to try to adapt to one persons taste, be it mine or someone elses.

I was merely pointing out how ridiculous it is for someone to complain that a show designed for teenagers is inappropriate for his 9 year old son to watch, it's a pretty redundant thing to say.

I don't think using blood improves the quality of Smallville, but if you are going to have 3 vampires tearing holes into a man then blood is going to be spilled, having the whole tub fill up seemed a bit over the top, but Smallville should in no way feel obliged go out of their way to not show gore when something violent is taking place. I'm not having my viewing pleasure reduced to some kiddy friendly PG show. This is a teenage show, so all you parents showing your underage kids this program need to stop making topics like this. Thankyou.

[whitegold]

I was merely pointing out how ridiculous it is for someone to complain that a show designed for teenagers is inappropriate for his 9 year old son to watch, it's a pretty redundant thing to say.

I fail to see why it is ridiculous. I fail to see why SV can't also be for younger teens as well, not just those 14 or above.


This is a teenage show, so all you parents showing your underage kids this program need to stop making topics like this. Thankyou.

Again I fail to see why it can't also be for younger teens.

Why are you trying to dictate what other people write on this board? Why on earth should anyone listen to you telling people about what topics should or shouldn't be discussed? You claimed you had no problem with people having different tastes or opinions.

It is pretty evident that you certainly do.

Get over yourself. If people want to point out that they think SV is aiming at too high an age group then they are going to. You are free to disagree, but no-one is going to take seriously someone who has a problem with someone expressing a contrary opinion and trying to dictate what people should or should not be discussing.

[Lambshank]

Originally posted by whit*****
I fail to see why it is ridiculous. I fail to see why SV can't also be for younger teens as well, not just those 14 or above.



Again I fail to see why it can't also be for younger teens.

Why are you trying to dictate what other people write on this board? Why on earth should anyone listen to you telling people about what topics should or shouldn't be discussed? You claimed you had no problem with people having different tastes or opinions.

It is pretty evident that you certainly do.

Get over yourself. If people want to point out that they think SV is aiming at too high an age group then they are going to. You are free to disagree, but no-one is going to take seriously someone who has a problem with someone expressing a contrary opinion and trying to dictate what people should or should not be discussing.

I don't think you understand, here is a little example, if someone chooses to watch or not watch an 18+ rated horror because they don't like lot's of blood and sex then I'm not gonna try and convince them to watch it or say they are wrong for not doing so, but if someone rents out the film then complains that it uses to many 18+ rated themes then they aren't playing with a full deck.

Do you understand now?

If you think that Smallville should become a PG rated show, then fine, but I think the viewing pleasure will be ruined for many teenagers if the show loses all aspects of maturity just to appease soccer mums.

Smallville isn't aiming to high, everyone that I know from ages 13+ and above knows that people bleed when they die and people have sex when they are attracted to eachother. Unfortunately every now and again someone let's their 9 year old kid watch a show and complains it's to 'gory', and let's be honest, can a 9 year old fully enjoy Smallville and understand everything that goes on? It seems pathetic to try and adjust the whole violence and sexual issues when the younger generation it would pull in probably wouldn't be able to properly follow everything anyways.

[LuthorRequiem2]

I agree that the beginning was too bloody and sexual. It was good horror movie campy stuff, which I find entertaining at times. But this is a Superman show, not Batman. That kind of violence would be expected in a Batman show, because he deals with the darker, seadier parts of the world. But with Superman, I'd say stick to more freakish, sci-fi stuff, and criminal activity, and sure, a vampire here and there, maybe a wearwolf or witch, but just keep the tone more Superman. Plus, things are scarier when they're implied. If horror movie directors need to learn anything, it's that. Over-the-top violence is good at times, to prove a point about the nature of the villain, but just don't cross the line. I felt that scene crossed the line a bit, especially with the girl going under water and biting his....ya know. :) Keep it a little cleanier, Smallville producers! All in all, though, if they want to have a bloody scene here and there, it's okay, as long as it doesn't ALWAYS happen on the show.

[Lord Rae]

See I say go the exact opposite direction... They shouldn't tame the show down... if anything they should ratchet it up in all aspects. :P

Because if you keep taking the edges off so that younger crowds can watch the older crowd leaves or grows bored with the simplistic idealist ********. God I know I do... I'm not saying turn smallville into House of a 1000 corpses but let the viewers decide what level of violence and sexuality to watch... Cause if you make it entertaining and realistic enough (okay so vampires aren't the best episode in which to have this discussion) the older audience will stay or grow and the younger audience can watch when their parents stop mollycoddling them.

[thehenry89]

hurrah for violece (fake totaly unrealistic violence anyway) speakin for the grand theft auto genration its not as bad as it could have been and i think we all rember a ceartin psycho bone morpher chick who tried to kill lana impaling herself on a big ol piece of wood, now that was violent.

[whitegold]

I don't think you understand,

Of course I do.


If someone chooses to watch or not watch an 18+ rated horror because they don't like lot's of blood and sex then I'm not gonna try and convince them to watch it or say they are wrong for not doing so, but if someone rents out the film then complains that it uses to many 18+ rated themes then they aren't playing with a full deck.

Very faulty analogy. Your analogy would make sense if Smallville had always been billed as this. Smallville never started off so. For instance if you look at UK ratings for SV season 1 DVD set it gives it a PG rating. Seasons 2 & 3 are given a 12 rating. Season 4 is given a 15. (These are different to the US system but I'm sure you get the idea).

I guess Season 4 was given a '15' because of a few more sensual scenes and perhaps some language.

Season 5 so far seems more gory than Season 4.

For the first 3 seasons SV had a rating commensurate with a young teen audience and above. Season 4 introduced a rating of 15, suitable for an older teen audience and above. Probably if a couple of scenes were toned down it would have got a 12. But Season 5 is definitely '15' material.

So your analogy doesn't hold. Some of us have been fans of Smallville for several years. We didn't get into an '18' or '15', we got into a series suitable for younger teens and above. Now that has definitely changed. Season 4 saw brief aspects of that change - but season 5 seems more so.

So - yes I am making a point about it.

You might not like the point; you might feel it doesn't really matter; but evidently it is a reasonable point to make since there is a shift in SV.

It also obvious, whether you like it or not, that other people have felt this same point, perhaps for different reasons.

This is my opinion on the matter and I'll reiterate it:


I can't help but think that the gore element or the hyping up a sensual element are in there to appeal to a teen mentality, so people say 'cool'.

LOL - after all see how many comments there were about Lois' cleavage in Aqua!

If Lois' cleavage is a major point, then it shows something lacking at Smallville.

The trouble is that IMO TPTB are trying to put in these gimmicky things because of a lack of real quality writing, and any real quality chemistry.

I've found the writing of Season 5 so far to be mediocre. Some of the dialogue and chemistry between the characters to be inane and lacking.

Smallville is beginning to look mediocre to me - and trying to be cool because of gimmicks rather than quality.

Having said that there was some good dialogue and chemistry this episode, and a tense developing plotline. I felt Lex's acting was very good indeed. There was a tense plot developing with Braniac and some other good things.

But overall I've felt the magic begin to leave Smallville, at least for me.

There are always people who are going to be attracted to more gimmicky things, or more 'gritty stuff' or whatever. Fair enough. Each to his own tastes. Its not mine - but I admit it might make it more 'popular', more 'coolish', but is it really classic quality?

In my opinion SV has dipped. Gimmicks aren't quality.

You're free to disagree of course. This is an opinion board after all.

But its really only insecure people who can't tolerate people pointing out differing opinions to themselves and come out with statements like: "This is a teenage show, so all you parents showing your underage kids this program need to stop making topics like this. Thankyou."

I'll continue making what comments I like - and if you don't like it then don't read it.

[Kryptomaniac]

Originally posted by pop-n-fresh
I wonder if ABC Family will air this episode.

PnF

ABC "Family"...you gotta be kidding. It's NOT a family-friendy network IMO. They didn't edited-out the severed head or the pencil in the ear murder but THEY SHOULD HAVE.

I agree: TOO MUCH BLOOD AND GORE and it's so unnecessary. SMALLVILLE shouldn't be THE X-FILES but nobody told TPTB that.

I only hope the new Superman movie has more class than SMALLVILLE.:\ :\ :\

I'm guessing the two guys who invented Superman would be rolling over in their graves if they watched THIRST.:( :( :(

[shirkie]

I really hate how the second anyone suggests that perhaps "Smallville" is overdoing the sex and violence, immediately people start jumping up and down screaming "I HATE YOU DAMN PURITANS."

The gore? Excessive. The blood everywhere and especially the close-up impalement by Brainiac? More severe than the normal pick-someone-up-and-chuck-them-30-feet-bloodlessly action. And did you notice how it appeared as if the third vampire girl was performing oral sex on the pizza guy for about two seconds before he grimaced in pain and the other two attacked him? I didn't think it was appropriate to be simulating oral sex at 7PM on network television.
shirkie

[Lord Rae]

More severe than the normal pick-someone-up-and-chuck-them-30-feet-bloodlessly action.

The villans have always been responsible for the violent action and that hasn't changed. Think back... you've seen people beaten to death with baseball bats, eaten by dogs, frozen and shattered into a 1000 tiny pieces, exploded, electrocuted, crushed, eaten by bugs/son, shot, stabbed, ect... you could go on for just about as many episodes as there have been with the horrific things done by villans and occasionally main characters...

If your unhappy with the amount of violence its because you haven't been paying attention. This isn't the Simpsons where the characters never age/change/grow/experience. Sometimes it may seem like that though. :P

I think most of us get annoyed with people complaining because they somehow think that because its not exactly the same as it was when it began that the show has somehow gotten worse.

Or better yet I think we get annoyed because YOU don't like the way its going and it doesn't conform to YOUR values and morals that you have the ultimate say in this.

And about the sex.... where were the complainers back in "heat" eh? Or "hunger" when the girl basically seduced and then ate the jerk guy... There are lots of things you could point out...

[shirkie]

Most of the time, the violence happens to the bad guys and can therefore sort of-- and I say that with reservations-- be justifiable. Like when Lana killed that guy by kicking him into a pitchfork. No one shed any tears over the death of a guy who was trying to kill Lana and the Kents. It's much different than seeing a pizza boy be slaughtered and eaten.
shirkie

[nk_84]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
Okay , I know I am the old man of the boards, I know I sound like the old fogie stogie. But listen , I have a son nine years old , and I would like to watch a superman show with him. Can TPTB cut down on the over use of blood and gore?:confused:


No, because Smallville is rated above the age of 9 and PG. Almost every episode is because of the violence. I don't think they're going to change the certificate for a few episodes so children can watch it. The show isn't meant for kids, so that's kinda the 'end of' discussion. Sorry.

[efilflah]

Originally posted by whit*****

Very faulty analogy. Your analogy would make sense if Smallville had always been billed as this. Smallville never started off so. For instance if you look at UK ratings for SV season 1 DVD set it gives it a PG rating. Seasons 2 & 3 are given a 12 rating. Season 4 is given a 15. (These are different to the US system but I'm sure you get the idea).

I just want to say that My UK DVD Box set of Season 1 and 2 (I'll get 3&4 this xmas) both have nice little '15' certificates on them and I can clearly recall equal amounts of gore and violence from episodes in ALL seasons.

I agree with you partly, in the sense that it's clear that more flesh is being shown to draw in crowds that watch for particular actors/actresses, but I don't understand how people can say that this show suddenly got violent, because that's not the case at all. And even if it were, the WB have said they are aiming the show at an older audience, so people should expect some changes to that effect, even if they don't like them or think them to be inappropriate.

If anyone feels the blood in the water is a bit too much for a 9 year old, then don't let him/her watch it.

[Lambshank]

There are always people who are going to be attracted to more gimmicky things, or more 'gritty stuff' or whatever. Fair enough. Each to his own tastes. Its not mine - but I admit it might make it more 'popular', more 'coolish', but is it really classic quality?

In my opinion SV has dipped. Gimmicks aren't quality.

You're free to disagree of course. This is an opinion board after all.

But its really only insecure people who can't tolerate people pointing out differing opinions to themselves and come out with statements like: "This is a teenage show, so all you parents showing your underage kids this program need to stop making topics like this. Thankyou."

I'll continue making what comments I like - and if you don't like it then don't read it.

Ok, I'm just going to cut out the whole part of your post when you call my analogy faulty and tell me Smallville has changed alot.

Season 1: Rated 15 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000ABPLF/qid=1130691497/sr=8-3/ref=pd_ka_3/202-3455855-8937440

Season 2: Rated 15
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000260OWG/qid=1130691497/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/202-3455855-8937440

Season 3: Rated 12
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007IK5ZA/qid=1130691497/sr=8-4/ref=pd_ka_4/202-3455855-8937440

Season 4: Rated 15
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000A52A08/qid=1130691497/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/202-3455855-8937440

As you can see Smallville has always been billed a certain way, so um... how is my analogy faulty again?

I don't know where you got your information from, but I was going by what I could find on amazon.co.uk, can you show me a site saying Smallville was a PG?

I've stated before I don't like it when things are shoved in my face in a gimmicky way, I don't entirely disagree with the topic creator that to much gore was shown than needed. But I stand by the opinion that Smallville should stick to being a teen show and show a certain amount of maturity when dealing with people getting killed, such as *shock* showing some blood!

It just really grates on me when someone has the balls to post a topic saying his 9 year old son can no longer watch a programme rated for teenagers! Hahaha. Oh, and insecure? Hahahahaha. Yeah man, sure :rotfl:

[thehenry89]

oh the hostility its killin me inside

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by shirkie
Most of the time, the violence happens to the bad guys and can therefore sort of-- and I say that with reservations-- be justifiable. Like when Lana killed that guy by kicking him into a pitchfork. No one shed any tears over the death of a guy who was trying to kill Lana and the Kents. It's much different than seeing a pizza boy be slaughtered and eaten.
shirkie

I've seen a lot of violence directed against innocent people on this show. That's what the freak of the week eps are usually based on. People who freeze other people and then shatter them into pieces, people who turn other people into ash, people who hypnotize other people into jumping out of windows. And that's just Season One.

I think most of the time when we have meteor freaks, we have innocent people who are murdered.

And isn't that the basis for Superman's heriocs? The threat to innocent people? It's hard to make him heroic without the mortal threats.

[KryptoniteLacedPie]

The idea of very young children watching Smaville seems awkward, but it's really up to the parent to let their kid(s) watch what they feel is appropriate for both their age level and maturity. Some kids can handle the show, while others would be better off with cartoons. It just depends on how you were raised, and who you've become.

I personally thoguht it wasn't gory at all; then again, my favorite horror flick is Bram Stoker's Dracula, with Gary Oldman and Winona Ryder :rolleyes:

[whitegold]

I don't know where you got your information from, but I was going by what I could find on amazon.co.uk, can you show me a site saying Smallville was a PG?

http://www.screenselect.co.uk/visitor/product/15589-Smallville%20-%20The%20Complete%20Season%201.html
Season 1 PG

http://www.screenselect.co.uk/visitor/product/24074-Smallville%20-%20The%20Complete%20Season%202.html
Season 2 12

http://www.screenselect.co.uk/visitor/product/34456-Smallville%20-%20The%20Complete%20Season%203.html
Season 3 12

Interesting how Amazon has a different classification, and interesting the other guy saying his dvds were 15.

Weird!

For the season 2 link the DVD cover says 15 but the classification is 12. I assume this is the wrong photo because the season 3 dvd cover is clearly a 12 and a classification of 12. (And the season 1 cover is PG)

Weird that we are getting two different systems of classification.

I've no explanation. :confused:


and I can clearly recall equal amounts of gore and violence from episodes in ALL seasons.

Certainly we've always had a certain amount violence in SV, but 12 often does. I'm not claiming a 12 or PG means violence free. Lord of the Rings is a 12 for example.

Am I right in saying that SV used to be shown at 8pm in various US states and has now moved to a 10pm slot?

[norman619]

What do you consider as gore? Simple blood? There wasn't much gore at all. I do not get what you are crying about. They only had maybe 2 or 3 quick blood shots. They never clearly showed the B-movie vamps attacking anyone besides Clark and that was pretty tame. I personally don't care about the tastes of others. The show is the show and well it should not be changed to make a vocal monority happy. The T1000/Lex interaction was pretty lame too. I expected more from a superiorly intelligent AI than what they showed. Brainiac doesn't seem to be anything special. To me he/it came off as just another suped up freak.


Originally posted by whit*****
Yes - some people have different tastes from yourself. What exactly is surprising about that?

Is something really added to SV by upping the gore? I mean does upping the gore add a quality to SV?

Perhaps to some peoples tastes - but most of the threads on this episode have pointed out that the real quality behind this episode was the whole Braniac/Lex interaction.

Is quality really enhanced by going from PG to TV-14? Or is this TPTB simply trying to be gimmicky?

[The Captain]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shirkie
[B]I really hate how the second anyone suggests that perhaps "Smallville" is overdoing the sex and violence, immediately people start jumping up and down screaming "I HATE YOU DAMN PURITANS."

You know what I hate? It's that whenever Smallville shows ANY adult themes or that it is NOT a PG program, people swoop in and rage that Smallville has all of the sudden become desensitized, then demand that the TPTB change it back to the wholesome mythical show they have imagined it is in their heads. Wake up people nothing has changed if you look back through the seasons it has always been like this.

[norman619]

Yep they want to escape to a squeaky clean world. Don't like being reminded of the world they actually live in. Life is not sanitary and I do not expect the shows I watch to be either. Can you imagine if we actually lived in a world like the one people want Smallville to be? My god I'd shoot myself out of pure boredom. :-)


Originally posted by The Captain
[QUOTE]Originally posted by shirkie
[B]I really hate how the second anyone suggests that perhaps "Smallville" is overdoing the sex and violence, immediately people start jumping up and down screaming "I HATE YOU DAMN PURITANS."

You know what I hate? It's that whenever Smallville shows ANY adult themes or that it is NOT a PG program, people swoop in and rage that Smallville has all of the sudden become desensitized, then demand that the TPTB change it back to the wholesome mythical show they have imagined it is in their heads. Wake up people nothing has changed if you look back through the seasons it has always been like this.

[The Captain]

Originally posted by norman619
Yep they want to escape to a squeaky clean world. Don't like being reminded of the world they actually live in. Life is not sanitary and I do not expect the shows I watch to be either. Can you imagine if we actually lived in a world like the one people want Smallville to be? My god I'd shoot myself out of pure boredom. :-)
You wouldn't be the only one

[orangemonkey]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
...I have a son nine years old...


Originally posted by whit*****
...We didn't get into an '18' or '15', we got into a series suitable for younger teens and above. Now that has definitely changed...

Quote 1 is the author, quote 2 is whit*****.

9 != younger teen.



Parental Guidance(PG) Suggested
This program contains material that parents may find unsuitable for younger children. Many parents may want to watch it with their younger children. The theme itself may call for parental guidance and/or the program contains one or more of the following: moderate violence (V) [B]blood, some sexual situations (S) off camera bj, infrequent coarse language (L) gosh darnit, the occasional damn, or some suggestive dialogue (D) vampiric lesbianism?.

OM

[MidgardDragon]

This was a Halloween episode. It was rated TV14, as said. That means that parents with children under 14 should use parental guidance when deciding wether or not to allow them to watch the episode.

If you think your 9 year old can handle murder, sex, and all that goes with Hot Sorority Vampires (we all knew what the episode was going to be about before it aired, after all, from previews), then he should be able to handle blood too.

I'm sorry if you don't think he can handle blood, but you should have used your guidance to make that decision. Maybe tape the episode and watch it first to make the decision. Please do not deprive others (and yes, I wanted to see blood and gore in this episode, it was a Halloween episode!) of what they are fully mature enough to watch.

Censorship should start with the parents, not the networks.

[Supersonic]

Oh, we're talkin about the pizza man's blood. lol I found it to be pretty funny. I guess society's made me a sicko x'D

[jimmyolsenblues]

Let me clear something up. My son did not watch the episode. My son does not live with me, but you can understand there are things I look for that I can share with my son. I thought the Pizza intro scene was too bloody. I have taken a lot heat on these boards for trying to censor the show. In no way am I saying the show should be censored in anyway. Smallville is my favorite show , and this board is my favorite board on the web. My opinion is that the opening scene the hot tub did not have to go red with blood. I am not asking you to accept my opinion. I am only stating mine.

[Supersonic]

lol I still think that hot tub scene was hilarious. I kept thinking about that high pitched teen guy on the Simpsons.

"Ahhh! Ahhh" x'D OMG that's hilairous.

ahhahaha hot tub fills with blood lol

[thehenry89]

lol theres a hole thread devoted to what that vampire chick actually bit.

[Dannyblue1]

I didn't think the episode was too gory. Then again, I have a high tolerance for gory. I'm a long time BtVS and ANGEL fan, and watch horror movies regularly. (I just about overdosed on horror movies this Halloween. Good times.) So, it does surprise me when people think some ep of SV (like "Forever") is too gory, because, for me, SV isn't.

But, I see why people who expect SV to be a certain way based on how it was in the past, would be a little taken aback by the changes.

Also, for those who say, "Well, they had the rating on there, to let you know not to let your kid watch," this makes me wonder about something. What about those kids who are huge SV fans, and suddenly can't watch a show they love because their parents have decided it's too "adult" for them? Can you imagine having one of your favorite shows taken away from you (basically) like that?

The fact is, SV has changed. Unlike BtVS (for example) which never claimed to be for young kids by any stretch of the imagination, SV did start out as a show the whole family could watch together. The PTB and the WB emphasized that aspect, with pride, in many an interview and press release. Now, it's not so much that show anymore. And, for people who loved it as a family show they could watch with their kids, maybe they aren't as happy with this new direction.

While I'm okay with it, people shouldn't be given a hard time for not being as okay with it as I am.

[Lord Rae]

Well in theory the fans are aging with show...

Those 9 and 10 yr olds who started watching the show in Season 1 (again the violence was still there as early as episode 1 or 2...) are now 15 or so.... thats old enough to handle anything smallville can throw at them....If your starting a young kid on smallville buy the dvds... enjoy what you can....

and for parents worried about Smallville... your child has seen and heard much worse. Trust me.

[GatorTex]

Originally posted by Lord Rae
Well in theory the fans are aging with show...

Those 9 and 10 yr olds who started watching the show in Season 1 (again the violence was still there as early as episode 1 or 2...) are now 15 or so.... thats old enough to handle anything smallville can throw at them....If your starting a young kid on smallville buy the dvds... enjoy what you can....

and for parents worried about Smallville... your child has seen and heard much worse. Trust me.

That was a nice dose of reality. Scary but semi-true. There's always an exception.

[Timester]

The gore was... unexpected. I see anime and horror movies they have gore until no end and I don't absolutely no problem (I even laugh of it), because I already know that is going to have gore. Smallville... not so much. Why? Because it's not what I expect from Smallville.

Like Summer said, it was lame. And not realist whatsoever. :\

[MyOwnSuperhero]

Regardless of who the show is supposedly geared to or what the ratings may be, this show has had a large viewership that considers it a family show. Alienate those people and ratings drop. That's the real issue. The question TPTB need to be asking themselves is 'will these changes increase or decrease viewership'? Last season, these same issues caused a drop in ratings. This season, unlike early s4, has been clean, and the ratings have been huge. Now we get crappy Draculana with her lesbian make out scene; next week it's Stripperella - the Scantily Clad adventures of Lois Lane.

Any viewer who likes what they perceive to be the 'family friendly' nature of Smallville will tune out. They were upset last Thursday, and they'll be upset tomorrow night. This WILL hurt the ratings. Therefore, it hurts the show.

[shadow_2099]

Well, guess I will have to play my violin for their passing.....or not.

The fact is, if you don't a show, any show, they you absolutely have the right to tune out. But I would rather people leave and stop watching then dumb the show down to "acceptable" levels.

My opinion yes, but one I hold to. Those who agree with me will still watch the show and I believe there arent that many who really care....(remember its been on for 4 previous years, those who watched when they were 13 are now almost 18, and they will continue watching and probably enjoy it more.

Shadow

[Dannyblue1]

A lot of youngsters still watch SV. Yes, those who were 10 when the show first started are now 14. But what about those 8 and 9 year-olds who started watching on ABC Family last year?

As for "dumbing the show down", I felt SV had never been dumbed down more than when they were tossing in all the so-called adult material last year. So, "mature content" doesn't necessarilly equal smart.

Look at this episode. With all the "sexual hijinx" going on, the best, most high-quality scenes (the ones most viewers liked most) were those in which the characters were fully clothed and not trying to sex it up.

[Smelly]

Hasn't Smallville always been TV 14?

do some parenting people!

Like I said in a different post everyone has different threshold of "morality". On a scale of one to 10 with one being most moral, it is definitley a one in my book.

I wish they would spice it up more.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Smelly
Hasn't Smallville always been TV 14?

I don't think it was always TV 14. And what I definately remember was it being touted as a family show. The WB show Mom, Dad, and the kids could sit down and watch together.

Well, to some people, it's not that anymore.

It's like a bait-and-switch. Starts off being one thing. Becomes another.

Like I said, I've got no problem with the things SV shows. But people who were once pleased with it as a family show might no longer be.

[MyOwnSuperhero]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
As for "dumbing the show down", I felt SV had never been dumbed down more than when they were tossing in all the so-called adult material last year. So, "mature content" doesn't necessarilly equal smart.

Look at this episode. With all the "sexual hijinx" going on, the best, most high-quality scenes (the ones most viewers liked most) were those in which the characters were fully clothed and not trying to sex it up. EXACTLY!!! The biggest problem that we should all agree on is the fact that Sex in SV = Crappy writing! The more skin they show, the worse the writing is for that episode. Whether that is because the writers think that gimmicks are enough to keep viewers or maybe it just takes up screen time that should be better used, it has yet to do anything really constructive to the show. Even when it has been reasonably tied into the story (which it usually isn't) it still smacks of being shoehorned in where something better should go.

[norman619]

Sex on this show is an abvious grab for ratings. More than just sex on this show = crappy writing. An episode that was basicly a lost Buffy episode is poor writing. And when they use clichés like they are going out of style is pretty disappointing.

[psycosis]

I'm surprised at you jimmyolsenblues - you say there's too much blood for your 9yr old son (who even if it is a story on Superman too young to watch - it is a teen-drama on after the water-shed - deal with it)

But yet you make no meation on the bikni clad women or there sexual advances towards the pizza guy or other guys/girls - or how about the violance of the girls smaking around Lana like she's a toy leaving her bent and twisted at the bottom of a flight of stairs - or how about Professor Milton Fine killing the guard with his fingers??? (i'm sure i could go on!)

The scene you spoke about really isn't all that bad and the water just turns red there's not a mass amount of blood we acually see - plus we see this happen from above the scene - so we don't see exattlly whats going on - if your son was scared or fightned by this then as a responsable parent you souldn't put the blame on this show, look to yourself - there is a choice - sure your son may moan and wine about it, but ether you tell him not to watch the show or you allow him to watch with you there.

I'm not trying to attack you here, just think about who's really to blame - no-one forces your son to watch, and no-one is stoping him from doing so ether - he ether deals with the content of the show or dosen't - it's up to you to take charge.

[smallville12]

I think that smallville goes too far in the blood sometimes. it's not that much but more then a superman tv show should. I know it's a show for teens but still. I think when they went to far is in visage with the bat and tina's death and everything. and alot of other times too.But this is just what I think.

[McKeznak]

Who cares about the blood this episode sucked anyways, it in no way reflects the rest of the show.

[LexLuv180]

They seem to try to test different waters. Sometimes they try to make an episode more dark/creepy, sometimes more depressing/emotional, and sometimes lean more on the blood.

Some episodes of Smallville my four year old loves, yet some scare him (The FOTW's)

PG doesn't necessarily guarantee a low blood gush. I know Indiana Jones put a fist through the chest and ripped out the heart.

Smallville is more of a teen/adult program, hence the rating at the beginning of the show, and the older content. But it's not so over the top that some kids can't watch it and enjoy it either. At nine I was reading all the Clive Barker, Stephen King, and VC Andrews books, and a little blood like that wouldn't have had me blink. Of course I'm jaded beyond belief so I may not be the example to go by :p