Is this episode going to downgrade Supes like Run did ?

[ISUZU]

I was just thinking - Superman is suppose to be the man who has all these great abilities. Can someone tell me why it is that so far (and it seems also in the upcoming episode) - he has been proved much slower than the Flash in episode Run, and it looks like he wont be able to hold his own against this Aquaman character.

Is Smallville the show - doing justice to his powers by making some of these other super heros have a power of a similar nature which is going to exceed Superman/Clarks equivalent power by a large margin ?

I find it disturbing coz to me Superman is the biggest super hero of them and it pisses me off when I see these other 2nd rate super hero's outdo him. For a man that collapses when shown a green rock from Krypton - at least show him to be usefull against the other DC heros.

[Kal-El18]

well of course aquaman kicks clarks butt in the water duhh and flash i would only imagine flash being fastest since speed is his only ability

[Lord_Balthaazar]

its common sense ;)

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Supes is the greatest superhero, but he can be the greatest without having to be the biggest, fastest or even the strongest.

-cs™

[RedPhoenix23]

Plus, Superman is still learning, so its not that much of a biggie if he's not Mr. Big of the future superheros of the world yet. At least to me.

[Mystikacorp]

Superman is much faster that a bullet but the flash run to velocity of the light.

[bap290]

ya, all the superheroes have to be able to win in their own ways.

[MidgardDragon]

I think this has been pretty standard practice for a while. The Flash is faster than Supes, because the Flash is the fastest man alive. Aquaman is a better swimmer than Supes, because Aquaman is...well...Aquaman. And I believe there have been characters who've been proven stronger than Supes too.

The thing is, all these characters have one disadvantage to Supes, and that is that they only have the one ability. Superman has heat vision, super speed, ice breath, invulnerability, super strength, flight, x-ray vision, and other more rarely used powers. Put those all together and he is the greatest hero in the DC universe, but that doesn't mean he can't be beat in certain things.

Anyways, didn't Flash beat Supes in a race both in the Justice League cartoon and in old comics? Smallville didn't really do anything new there.

[Nerial]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
The thing is, all these characters have one disadvantage to Supes, and that is that they only have the one ability. Superman has heat vision, super speed, ice breath, invulnerability, super strength, flight, x-ray vision, and other more rarely used powers. Put those all together and he is the greatest hero in the DC universe, but that doesn't mean he can't be beat in certain things.


I have to agree. Supes is the most powerful of the bunch, not because of one ability, but a whole truck-load of 'em. The Flash being faster than Clark doesn't bother me (especially since it's by very little) because Clark has other things that well compensate for that.

Aquaman--not a big fan of him, but this episodes looks like a lot of fun. Him swimming faster than Clark doesn't bug me too bad for two reasons:

1) It IS Aquaman, and he would be fast in the water.

2) In the comics, wouldn't it make sense that Superman would 'fly' through the water. I mean, if he can fly through air, then wouldn't that power transcend to the water as well? So, he WILL be faster than Aquaman when he gets that power mastered.

Just my thoughts.

[ISUZU]

Yeah - Ok I get what most of you are trying to say to me. But did it not bother you that in Run - the Flash managed to find out his weakness to kryptonite ... like very early in the show ? To me the effects of Kryptonite on supes should be almost a big secret like his identity as Clark Kent to Superman.

Please - at least tell me he that there is no superhero in the DC world that can fly as fast as him ?

[shadow_2099]

OK, here's the thing.

Aquaman's strength and swimming ability is about 10000th of Supes.

Buffing him up in the show is just for the show, easily explainable as the fact that Clark has yet to truly understand the full magnitude of his powers. He has an unconscious floodgate that keeps him from realizing just how powerful he really is. That floodgate will be removed in time (if following the movie route through Jor-El). At that point, Aquaman is nothing but a gnat compared to him powerwise.

As for the Flast, well he IS faster than Supes post Crisis, but that is ok.

PS Any GL can fly as fast or faster than Supes. MM is within same level.

Shadow

[finchy4]

i don't care if he's slower than the flash or swims slower than aquaman because those superheroes suck. superman's range of powers make him the greatest force on the planet, and he would easily defeat any other character if need be because they only seem to ever have one ability.

[Shadow09]

Originally posted by Kal-El18
well of course aquaman kicks clarks butt in the water duhh and flash i would only imagine flash being fastest since speed is his only ability

Not to run down this thread... but Flash can do way more then having only speed as his only ability... but that's a story for another time i think... but onto the topic.
I am not too worried about how they "downplay" Clark compared to Flash or Aquaman; Flash is so much faster then Clark will ever be, and Aquaman is only good underwater what does he really have on Clark? oh the oh so amazing ability to speak with carp... yea that's a power i REALLY want but to breath underwater and move under it fast that's cool, but Clark has got the next best thing, he can survive under the water for up to 30 minutes and i am sure he can move under the water pretty quick himself, but i wouldn't get to worried oh what Aquaman can do... just focus on what he CAN'T do compared to what Clark CAN do

[jag5311]

how do you know he can be under water for 30 minutes? I would think he doesn't need air to live since he can go into space.

[Shadow09]

That's exactly my point... he doesn't need air underwater or in space, but he can only survive under those conditions, and i read it somewhere that 30 minutes is the magick number i'll look around to see if i can find it

[HalJordan4184]

Wow, everyone here has seemed to miss the entire point of Superman. It's not his powers that make him the greatest superhero. Having the most powers only makes you the most powerful being, not the best superhero. Captain Marvel is equal to, or better than Superman is in power categories. He's either as powerful, or even slightly more powerful in terms of strength, he's just as fast, and and just as invulnerable. ANd no little green rock makes him crumple. What makes Clark the greater hero is his committment to the ideals he fights for. WHere everyother hero would waver, Superman still stands strong. He has a committment to his fight that rivals, and even exceeds his powers. THat's what sets him apart. Not that he can fly, AND pick up a tank.

AS for aquaman, he does a lot mroe than talk to fish and swim underwater. He in fact is nigh invulnerable. He can take almost as much punishment in a fight as wonder woman and superman can. He can lift thousands and thousands of pounds. He's got a degree of super speed. I mean, the guy can walk on the bottom of the merianis (sp) trench, and not be bothered. THe pressure there can turn an aircraft carrier into a hunk of steel the size of a basketball. Only Superman and Captain Marvel, and other similarly high powered people can do this as well. Aquaman is far from the pushover loser people think he is.

And Clark does need air to survive. But he can hold his breath for a couple hours at his peak. Unless it's precrisis, where he never needed to breathe, but just did it to look normal.

[ISUZU]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Wow, everyone here has seemed to miss the entire point of Superman. It's not his powers that make him the greatest superhero. Having the most powers only makes you the most powerful being, not the best superhero. Captain Marvel is equal to, or better than Superman is in power categories. He's either as powerful, or even slightly more powerful in terms of strength, he's just as fast, and and just as invulnerable. ANd no little green rock makes him crumple. What makes Clark the greater hero is his committment to the ideals he fights for. WHere everyother hero would waver, Superman still stands strong. He has a committment to his fight that rivals, and even exceeds his powers. THat's what sets him apart. Not that he can fly, AND pick up a tank.

AS for aquaman, he does a lot mroe than talk to fish and swim underwater. He in fact is nigh invulnerable. He can take almost as much punishment in a fight as wonder woman and superman can. He can lift thousands and thousands of pounds. He's got a degree of super speed. I mean, the guy can walk on the bottom of the merianis (sp) trench, and not be bothered. THe pressure there can turn an aircraft carrier into a hunk of steel the size of a basketball. Only Superman and Captain Marvel, and other similarly high powered people can do this as well. Aquaman is far from the pushover loser people think he is.

And Clark does need air to survive. But he can hold his breath for a couple hours at his peak. Unless it's precrisis, where he never needed to breathe, but just did it to look normal.

This captain Marvel character - where does he come from and why have DC made him more powerfull than Superman. The whole appeal of superman from me is his unqueness - him being the last son of Krypton and so forth. Has there been comic and cartoons that show Superman getting wipped by Mr. Marvel ? - please elaborate. Agree with Aquaman though - he should at this stage be more powerfull than Supes as he is much older and mature and everything seems to be pointing to the fact that he knows his powers.

[zagen]

i loved Run actually, i really liked the ''new'' flash. but indeed it did make clark look like a loser when bart just owned him without any effort what so ever :D

[Nerial]

I don't know--the shocked expression on Clark's face at the end of Run was priceless. He seemed so happy that someone actually BEAT him at something.

I never liked Captain Marvel. Besides the name *puke*, he's just a kid with magical powers.

There is an excellent point here; Superman is popular for more reasons than just his powers. There's something about the character that draws people in.

I still want him to kick Aquaman's butt, though. :D

[djpnutz]

Supes is to smallville what ryu is to street fighter... Man I miss that game... Anyways... He's more of the utility leader that does enough to face all dangers... Which is why he's the greatest. He's the jack of all trades and if he uses his abilities with a bit of wit and intelligence he can get out of any jam.

[ISUZU]

Originally posted by Nerial
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I still want him to kick Aquaman's butt, though. :D

Yep - I'll drink to that pal !!!!

[Lana_Lang #1]

The Flash is faster than Supes, because the Flash is the fastest man alive. Flash only has one primary ability which is speed, so naturally Flash would only have to worry about training and honing that one skill, perfecting it in every way possible. Flash moves the velocity of the speed of light, almost nothing is or should be faster than that.

Fact: Flash can run faster than Supeman can run, BUT Supeman can FLY faster than Flash can run.


Aquaman is a better swimmer than Supes, because Aquaman again, has only a few skills to perfect. In the comics he is said to be from Atlantis, Atlanis is a very powerful place, it is no surprise that A.C. is better in the water than Clark.

BUT I don't see what the problem is... these people may have perfect certain skills that Superman also has but they could not have saved the world and joined the Justice League if they were not the experts in their fields.

All hail Superman!

[dizzy]

Okay if Superman is the best why bother with the other Justice Leaguers, its because he can't be in two places at once, each superhero has his or her own ability. Superman is the leader of the JL cause he is super yeah, but also cause he is as strong leader and has a great sence of morals.

Martin Hunter can morph, Wonder Woman is really strong too, Batman has gadgets and martials arts, Flash is fast , Aquaman can live and breath under water and Supergirl is equal to Superman. And bunch of others that I can't think of right now

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Just what Lana Lang#1 said

[MyOwnSuperhero]

We also need to realize that the Flash and Aquaman in the SV world seem to have embraced and developed their powers. In many ways, Clark is still running from them, wishing he were normal. He's manifested the ability to fly multiple times, but still insists that Clark Kent is 'earth bound'. Regardless of his potential speed, strength, etc. he must develop the skills to use the talents. Even Mozart had to learn to read music. Likewise, Clark needs to work on his abilities before he becomes the Super-dude we all know and love.

[Jason_Bourne]

To answer the original post thy didn't downgrade supes, they were always faster than him in the comics etc

[Ultron]

Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman both have powers from a variety of gods, so in many ways are comparable to Superman in terms of overall power, but it's been established a multitude of times in the comics that Superman is still more powerful than either of them. Not only that, he has a greater range of powers. However there are areas of abilities or skills that both of those characters have that Superman doesn't, too.

Aquaman, in the water, still isn't stronger or tougher than Superman. However it's the one area that he's competative. But even out of water Aquaman is still super strong and tough. It's just that when in the water he has superior travel abilities, the ability to make water to his bidding (you see that to some extent with Aqualad in the Teen Titans cartoon) and telepathy with animals (not just fish, though he has better control over marine life).

The Flash isn't just faster than Superman, he's got faster reflexes, and speed is his home. He basically can run circles around Superman. Not to take anything away from Superman, but Flash is the top dog when it comes to speed. Even with Superman flying Flash can outpace him and maneuver quicker and more precisely, as well as manipulate his quickess in ways that Superman just can't.

Anyhow, Superman is pretty much a jack of all trades, and has more overall abilities than most heroes, especially since he's so powerful on top of all that. But he's not the best in everything. And that's fine with me. :)

[Shadow09]

Game. Set. Match
You just wrapped that one up in a neat little package

[therip]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Wow, everyone here has seemed to miss the entire point of Superman. It's not his powers that make him the greatest superhero. Having the most powers only makes you the most powerful being, not the best superhero. Captain Marvel is equal to, or better than Superman is in power categories. He's either as powerful, or even slightly more powerful in terms of strength, he's just as fast, and and just as invulnerable.

thank you..you took the captain marvel reference right out of my mouth..i was gonna say he's the only one that can stand toe to toe with supes...i still think on land supes is stronger than aquaman..i've always thought that..being a comic book, it's obviously just all left up to a person's own beliefs and observations

but i think clark getting knocked back like that was just to symbolize his realization that there are others like him, that he's not alone as he thinks he is

[Clark_J_Kent]

the longer clark is under the yellow sun the stronger and faster he becomes.

[spideyfan]

read Ultrons post...its all true.

btw to the guy that said it: Supes CANT fly faster than the Flash runs.

[AugenStern]

Also, Clark has never really had to do anything underwater before, so taking on Aquaman in his own environment for the first time was probably a shocker for him.

Its sort of like sports or boxing. Clark/Superman has the total package, meaning he's really good at just about everything. But there are always a few others who are specialized in one ability that can outdo him when it comes to that one thing.

And that's fine.

[Premature Combustion]

Originally posted by dizzy
Okay if Superman is the best why bother with the other Justice Leaguers, its because he can't be in two places at once, each superhero has his or her own ability. Superman is the leader of the JL cause he is super yeah, but also cause he is as strong leader and has a great sence of morals.

Martin Hunter can morph, Wonder Woman is really strong too, Batman has gadgets and martials arts, Flash is fast , Aquaman can live and breath under water and Supergirl is equal to Superman. And bunch of others that I can't think of right now

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Just what Lana Lang#1 said

You should know that Superman refused to join the first JLA (although he offered his services when needed) and only joined the 2nd JL as a full member to help provide an example to all the new superheroes who were a little rowdy. He has not nor will take control of the league.

[RedKalEL]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Wow, everyone here has seemed to miss the entire point of Superman. It's not his powers that make him the greatest superhero. Having the most powers only makes you the most powerful being, not the best superhero. Captain Marvel is equal to, or better than Superman is in power categories. He's either as powerful, or even slightly more powerful in terms of strength, he's just as fast, and and just as invulnerable. ANd no little green rock makes him crumple. What makes Clark the greater hero is his committment to the ideals he fights for. WHere everyother hero would waver, Superman still stands strong. He has a committment to his fight that rivals, and even exceeds his powers. THat's what sets him apart. Not that he can fly, AND pick up a tank.

AS for aquaman, he does a lot mroe than talk to fish and swim underwater. He in fact is nigh invulnerable. He can take almost as much punishment in a fight as wonder woman and superman can. He can lift thousands and thousands of pounds. He's got a degree of super speed. I mean, the guy can walk on the bottom of the merianis (sp) trench, and not be bothered. THe pressure there can turn an aircraft carrier into a hunk of steel the size of a basketball. Only Superman and Captain Marvel, and other similarly high powered people can do this as well. Aquaman is far from the pushover loser people think he is.

And Clark does need air to survive. But he can hold his breath for a couple hours at his peak. Unless it's precrisis, where he never needed to breathe, but just did it to look normal.


Yea but I rember in this one justice leaque episode. The episode where they first meet aquaman some of the heroes needed oxygen masks to stay under while other didn't superman was one of the guys wearing an oxygen mask

[Superboy2]

In Lois n Clark, Clark tells someone he can hold his breath for 20 minutes, but they never said about water.

[thehenry89]

it dosent bother me that clark can't swim 1,000 miles per hour he can (later on of course) fly. and it doesn't interest me that he can't run faster then the flash he can (eventually) fly faster then him. He can lift a tractor over his head(like to see aquaman do that) he can fly into the sun wich no other superhero can do. he can catch a nuclear misslie he can fly so fast the world reverses time, he beat three people with the same abilities he has and he grows up to have a really hot wife so not bothering me at all.