Who Can Open The Ship???

[jclay12345]

Remember when Lionel said that only "he" can open the ship? Who was he talking about, Brainiac or Clark?

And for the record, Clark flew. He just didn't realize he could. Like back when he saved Lana in the tornado, he said, "It's like I floated to the top."

[EricN68]

he also floated in either the series premier or the next episode (over his bed).

In any case ... I'm not so sure Jor-El knows about Brainiac. So my guess is "he" is Clark.

[Jellie]

He has to be talking about Brainiac.

It might have been just me but I thought I noticed a hint of fear when ''lionel'' said ''only he can open it''

[freddielm]

I thought he meant Brainiac. Clark doesn't even know about the ship? Does he? I can't seem to remember right now.

[EricN68]

Lana told him about the ship at the end of the season premier. When Clark went to look, all he saw was an empty crater. My guess is that he knows there is a ship, and probably suspects that Lex has it. We know Chloe suspects!

[Jellie]

Im pretty sure hes talkin Brainiac .

After all it was Brainiac who came outta the ship :p

In theory it is brainiacs ship

[EricN68]

Or maybe in some way Brainiac IS the ship...

I didn't get a good look -- what was the symbol Lex spotted on the ship. Was it the Z for Zod?

[dancinggopher01]

The symbol on the ship was a Brainiac symbol. It's Spike err....yeah Spike they are talking about.

[freddielm]

Originally posted by EricN68
Lana told him about the ship at the end of the season premier. When Clark went to look, all he saw was an empty crater. My guess is that he knows there is a ship, and probably suspects that Lex has it. We know Chloe suspects!

Oh. God I have short term memory. That episode aired three weeks ago and I already forgot what happened.

[superhippie2000]

i think he means brianiac can open the ship. isnt that the threat joo el has been speaking about for the last few years when he keeps having people say the day is coming.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by EricN68
Or maybe in some way Brainiac IS the ship...

That's possible, because the liquid that formed him. Came from the ship.

[slave2moonlight]

Pretty sure he means Brainiac. It seems to be his ship, or Zod's, and I really think that when Jor-El warned Clark in the season premiere and it seemed he was talking about the two deciples, that he was really warning him about Brainiac.

[SmallvilleGirlC]

Has anybody interpreted what that kryptonian symbol is on the bottom of the ship, or that Lionel was writing all over the walls at Belle Reeve....???

I think he flew!! I was watching and all I could say to my roommate was "HOLY CRAP, he just flew!!!" :eek:

[runningwithscissors]

so does everyone think that Jor-El knows about Braniac now?

[Kal2]

the symbol is always the same, just a Z, Zod.

[BioSpark]

Stupid question Im sure, but how the heck did Brainiac get on the ship that was carrying Zod's decendants?

[Kriminal]

he didnt fly and it looked like a z symbol so i would say zod.

[GhostRider]

Only Brainiac, a deciple of Zod, can open the ship. And I think it won't be too long before he does.

[Steelegrave]

It isn't Brainiac. All Kryptonian-possessed humans have refered to "him" or "the one" when speaking of Kal-El. They are talking about Clark. The ship is Kryptonian, the only beings that can open it are Kryptonians and Clark is the last Son of Krypton. Brainiac merely hitched a ride on the ship for some reason, probably after it landed to get into Lexcorp or maybe he was attached to it before it landed. Clearly, when Lex and his scientist were examining the ship and find the previously unseen symbol, it is because Brainiac's liquid metal form was covering it when they first examined the ship and now that he is gone the true skin of the ship can be seen. It's not Brainiac's ship it's Kryptonian carrying Kryptonians and Brainiac is not a Kryptonian.

And can we please stop talking about Zod, disciple of Zod is just Superman-speak for Kryptonian bad guy and the reference was just a nod to the movie fans. We, thankfully, won't be seeing Zod on SV and I'm displeased that he is the villian of choice for the new movie. He was merely a well-acted lame villian from a lame movie. He has a very minor role in the true Superman mythos.

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Steelegrave
It isn't Brainiac. All Kryptonian-possessed humans have refered to "him" or "the one" when speaking of Kal-El. They are talking about Clark. The ship is Kryptonian, the only beings that can open it are Kryptonians and Clark is the last Son of Krypton. Brainiac merely hitched a ride on the ship for some reason, probably after it landed to get into Lexcorp or maybe he was attached to it before it landed. Clearly, when Lex and his scientist were examining the ship and find the previously unseen symbol, it is because Brainiac's liquid metal form was covering it when they first examined the ship and now that he is gone the true skin of the ship can be seen. It's not Brainiac's ship it's Kryptonian carrying Kryptonians and Brainiac is not a Kryptonian.

And can we please stop talking about Zod, disciple of Zod is just Superman-speak for Kryptonian bad guy and the reference was just a nod to the movie fans. We, thankfully, won't be seeing Zod on SV and I'm displeased that he is the villian of choice for the new movie. He was merely a well-acted lame villian from a lame movie. He has a very minor role in the true Superman mythos.

Okay, I can buy that Brainiac was just hitching a ride. But, in the animated series, wasn't he the Kryptonian super-computer? That may not be the way it was in the comics, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it was in the pilot of the animated series. My point simply being that TV and Movie folks don't always stick with the comics, even when they say they are going to. To take that a step further, I suspect Zod is an actual character in Smallville, whether we ever get to see him or not. If it's not Brainiac who can open the ship, I believe it's Zod, and maybe even that HE is the one Jor-El was referring to in Arrival. Anyway, I sure don't believe Clark is the one who can open the ship, though I guess it's not impossible. Seems more like a villain thing to me.

[Steelegrave]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
Okay, I can buy that Brainiac was just hitching a ride. But, in the animated series, wasn't he the Kryptonian super-computer? That may not be the way it was in the comics, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it was in the pilot of the animated series. My point simply being that TV and Movie folks don't always stick with the comics, even when they say they are going to. To take that a step further, I suspect Zod is an actual character in Smallville, whether we ever get to see him or not. If it's not Brainiac who can open the ship, I believe it's Zod, and maybe even that HE is the one Jor-El was referring to in Arrival. Anyway, I sure don't believe Clark is the one who can open the ship, though I guess it's not impossible. Seems more like a villain thing to me.

Why does it have to be a villian thing? It's a Kryptonian thing. You might consider it a conquest thing. But Villian doesn't really fit into the equation. When you kill a colony of ants do you consider yourself a villian? When you keep your cat locked-up in the house are you a villian. The Kryptonian ship came here to help Kal-el take his rightful place as ruler of the weak ingnorant human species and to save them from themselves.

And why does it have to be Zod, why is it always Zod! Zod is a lame character made famous by a great actor in a horrible movie. If you break the character down without Terence Stamp and just look at the character he's a little weasel and a minor blip in the Superman story.

Please read again, when Kryptonian-possessed humans talk about 'he' or 'the one' they are talking about Clark. Smallville translation 'he'=Clark.

I don't know if Brainiac is a Kryptonian Super-computer in the cartoon which I have never seen or if the Smallville incarnation is a Kryptonian computer. Even the comicbook continuity of Braianiac is muddy, I think the current version is Brainiac 5. He may very well be a Kryptonian supercomputer but it isn't his ship and he has no connection to Zod.

When Zod didn't show up on the ship I hoped we were finally done with that silliness but everyone still thinks that "everything is Zod". Its exasperating.:cool:

[SmallvilleObsessed]

Hmm...either Braniac or Clark.

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Steelegrave
Why does it have to be a villian thing? It's a Kryptonian thing. You might consider it a conquest thing. But Villian doesn't really fit into the equation. When you kill a colony of ants do you consider yourself a villian?

No, but the ants do.


Originally posted by Steelegrave
When you keep your cat locked-up in the house are you a villian.

To the cat I might be. But I don't have a cat.



Originally posted by Steelegrave
And why does it have to be Zod, why is it always Zod! Zod is a lame character made famous by a great actor in a horrible movie. If you break the character down without Terence Stamp and just look at the character he's a little weasel and a minor blip in the Superman story.

They said the two Kryptonians were disciples of Zod. Rewind. Anywho, most villains are little weasels. Terence Stamp rocks.


Originally posted by Steelegrave
Please read again, when Kryptonian-possessed humans talk about 'he' or 'the one' they are talking about Clark. Smallville translation 'he'=Clark.

Eh. I don't buy that they never refer to anyone else as "He."


Originally posted by Steelegrave
I don't know if Brainiac is a Kryptonian Super-computer in the cartoon which I have never seen or if the Smallville incarnation is a Kryptonian computer. Even the comicbook continuity of Braianiac is muddy, I think the current version is Brainiac 5. He may very well be a Kryptonian supercomputer but it isn't his ship and he has no connection to Zod.

Like I said, I'll buy that. Pretty sure in the animated series Brainiac was the Kryptonian computer telling them everything was alright and that Jor-El was full of crap about the planet exploding. I've got the DVD. You should pick it up. Good stuff.


Originally posted by Steelegrave
When Zod didn't show up on the ship I hoped we were finally done with that silliness but everyone still thinks that "everything is Zod". Its exasperating.:cool:

They said the two Kryptonians were disciples of Zod.

[Steelegrave]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
No, but the ants do.



To the cat I might be. But I don't have a cat.




They said the two Kryptonians were disciples of Zod. Rewind. Anywho, most villains are little weasels. Terence Stamp rocks.



Eh. I don't buy that they never refer to anyone else as "He."



Like I said, I'll buy that. Pretty sure in the animated series Brainiac was the Kryptonian computer telling them everything was alright and that Jor-El was full of crap about the planet exploding. I've got the DVD. You should pick it up. Good stuff.



They said the two Kryptonians were disciples of Zod.

Yep TPTB perpetuated the silliness by making that reference to disciples, probably as a nod to the movies or to hype the upcoming one. Or to make all the Zod fanatics(?) salivate.

If you look back when they refer crypticly to "he" it is Clark they are refering too.

I disagree with all villians being weasels. I can't think of many great villians in any story fictional or historical being less than a great man with a streak of evil. That's the problem with Zod. Taking away the superbness of Stamp the character in most incarnations is not a great man. And even in the aforementioned crappy movie once he was no longer all powerful he was an ineffectual nothing. Lex Luthor never needed superpowers to be a great archnemisis. Of course the movie made Lex a tool. Lex Luthor would never suffer the rediculousness of Otis or live in the sewers or tiptoe around a prison or wear a damn wig. But that is pretty off topic.:cool:

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Steelegrave
If you look back when they refer crypticly to "he" it is Clark they are refering too.

I disagree with all villians being weasels. I can't think of many great villians in any story fictional or historical being less than a great man with a streak of evil. That's the problem with Zod. Taking away the superbness of Stamp the character in most incarnations is not a great man. And even in the aforementioned crappy movie once he was no longer all powerful he was an ineffectual nothing. Lex Luthor never needed superpowers to be a great archnemisis. Of course the movie made Lex a tool. Lex Luthor would never suffer the rediculousness of Otis or live in the sewers or tiptoe around a prison or wear a damn wig. But that is pretty off topic.:cool:


I didn't mean in past episodes, I meant in general (about the "he" thing).

As for the villains, I didn't say "all" by any means. I did say most though. I have a problem with calling such individuals "great men with a streak of evil." I'm sure there are those who see Hitler that way. To me, he was a little weasel. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
:lol:

I liked that movie, anyway. Only one I didn't care for was Superman 4, and I don't have a great feeling about "Returns," though I dig Bosworth.

[Steelegrave]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
I didn't mean in past episodes, I meant in general (about the "he" thing).

As for the villains, I didn't say "all" by any means. I did say most though. I have a problem with calling such individuals "great men with a streak of evil." I'm sure there are those who see Hitler that way. To me, he was a little weasel. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
:lol:

I liked that movie, anyway. Only one I didn't care for was Superman 4, and I don't have a great feeling about "Returns," though I dig Bosworth.

How can you refute my argument and then say 'I didn't mean in past episodes' which is exactly what I was using as evidence to support my argument. Of course they have used the pronoun he in other instances but I'm sure you grasp the meaning of what I'm saying. Don't be obtuse.

That's poor form using Hitler as an example, who could possibly defend that scumbag. But he did pull a nation on the brink of collapse out of a depression and unified them so I think the definition fits. I wouldn't call him a villian anyway he was a psychopathic megalomaniac.

I'm sorry you liked those movies man. I will say it was nice to see a superhero in a big budget movie back then, but their treatment of Lex Luthor, the pinnacle character in the Superman story was appalling and the movies should be stricken from our history. We certainly shouldn't base any future storylines off those travesties. :cool:

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Steelegrave
How can you refute my argument and then say 'I didn't mean in past episodes' which is exactly what what I was using as evidence to support my argument. Of course they have used the pronoun he in other instances but I'm sure you grasp the meaning of what I'm saying. Don't be obtuse.

That's poor form using Hitler as an example, who could possibly defend that scumbag. But he did pull a nation on the brink of collapse out of a depression and unified them so I think the definition fits. I wouldn't call him a villian anyway he was a psychopathic megalomaniac.

I'm sorry you liked those movies man. I will say it was nice to see a superhero in a big budget movie back then, but their treatment of Lex Luthor, the pinnacle character in the Superman story was appalling and the movies should be stricken from our history. We certainly shouldn't base any future storylines off those travesties. :cool:

Well, apparently a lot of folks don't see them as travesties. The first two were huge hits. Anyway, Lex wasn't always the suave business genius he is today. I confess that I prefer modern Lex, but I can also appreciate the humorous yet dangerous Gene Hackman version.

And people always get mad at using Hitler as an example, but then you turned around and admitted that he fit the bill of what you were talking about. That's obtuse. And that's why I cited him as an example, because he was an excellent example. One could easily fill in the blank with Saddam, or Osama, or whoever you wish. Calling it poor form is just sour grapes.

What is a super-villain if not a psychopathic megalomaniac?

As for your first question, you answered it. "Of course they have used the pronoun 'he' in other instances," and I'm sure they will do so occasionally on Smallville in the future. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and I think that may have been the case here. I could be wrong, but at least I'm willing to admit that. I'm no megalomaniac.

[Steelegrave]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
Well, apparently a lot of folks don't see them as travesties. The first two were huge hits. Anyway, Lex wasn't always the suave business genius he is today. I confess that I prefer modern Lex, but I can also appreciate the humorous yet dangerous Gene Hackman version.

And people always get mad at using Hitler as an example, but then you turned around and admitted that he fit the bill of what you were talking about. That's obtuse. And that's why I cited him as an example, because he was an excellent example. One could easily fill in the blank with Saddam, or Osama, or whoever you wish. Calling it poor form is just sour grapes.

What is a super-villain if not a psychopathic megalomaniac?

As for your first question, you answered it. "Of course they have used the pronoun 'he' in other instances," and I'm sure they will do so occasionally on Smallville in the future. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and I think that may have been the case here. I could be wrong, but at least I'm willing to admit that. I'm no megalomaniac.

Yep alot of people think Ashlee Simpson is a musical genius as well. Don't necessarily make it true.

People get mad at the Hitler example because it's cowardly. It has obvious sensitive issues surrounding it and people use it to escape an argument because they're sure no one can defend those actions. I never have run away from a fight however so yes I can use Hitler as an example. How exactly is that obtuse? You gave me a chicken argument and I answered it.

I would say sociopathic is a better adjective for most great villians.

Lex may have evolved but the one thing he never was was a clown, except in those movies.

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Steelegrave
Yep alot of people think Ashlee Simpson is a musical genius as well.

I don't buy that one. And if you can use that example, I can use Hitler. :p


Originally posted by Steelegrave
People get mad at the Hitler example because it's cowardly. It has obvious sensitive issues surrounding it and people use it to escape an argument because they're sure no one can defend those actions. I never have run away from a fight however so yes I can use Hitler as an example. How exactly is that obtuse? You gave me a chicken argument and I answered it.

Cowardly? It's only cowardly to hide behind that word during an arguement. If it's a good example, it's a good example. Don't be cowardly because "no on can defend those actions." That's what makes it a solid example. "How exactly is that obtuse?" Ha.


Originally posted by Steelegrave
I would say sociopathic is a better adjective for most great villians.

Well, that's just mincing words.


Originally posted by Steelegrave
Lex may have evolved but the one thing he never was was a clown, except in those movies.

Then you haven't seen the old cartoons. :lol: Anyway, clown or not, he was still deadly and enjoyable.

[cca_25]

I think Lionel was referring to Brainiac. :D

[DGreen]

if you pay attention to the trailers they show, or go and look at some of the pics from those trailers, then you'd all have your answer. or continue reading if you want to find out whose right............................................. .....
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it's braniac. in the trailers they show him standing over the ship and placing his hands on it, now you could argue that we don't actually know what he was doing with it, but come on, it's obvious that he's opening it, or going into it or something along those lines.

[kryptonite-proof]

Sorry if someone else has said this... Is it possible that Jor-El was tellin Lex that only one person on Earth can open the ship. That person being Clark?

What I'm distinguishing between here is people that live on Earth and the people that arrived on the spaceship. Obviously the people that arrived on the ship can open it. It is possible that he meant Clark is the only other person that can get inside.

Just a guess.

[commencement_rox]

i think clark knows about the ship but hasnt cared because he is human. and i think that jor el brainiac because he knew about the dark force awakened and knew that they were coming. i think what he means though is that whoever came in the ship.

[Kal-Pal87]

I believe it is Brainiac. If you remember, because blood was spilled on one of the crystals, Jor-El said that there would be an enemy far greater than he can handle that was already put in motion. Therefore, Jor-El knows of Brainiac.

He could possibly have been talking about the 2 aliens, but it didn't sound like it, plus he dispatched of them pretty easily.

[rosewolfe87]

Brainiac, he is the one that can open the ship. It's in the spoilers.

[mantaray]

It's a Kryptonian ship.

Therefore Kal-el the Kryptonian can open it.

[DGreen]

do u even read other ppls posts, i gave concrete evidence as to why it's braniac. plus clark couldn't even open his own ship without the key, how the heck would he open this one. since braniac is,in theory, kind of part of the ship. it makes sense that he'll be the one to open it.

[Ultron]

My opinion:

Zod is in the ship, but probably in suspended animation.

Zod can open the ship, and that's who Lionel is referring to.

Brainiac is an unknown element to Lionel, and isn't referring to him.

Zod and Braniac can both open the ship.

The two disciples of Zod were in there, and they could open the ship, too, but since they are no longer around (at least at the time of Lionel's improsonment in Belle Rev) they didn't count either.

I could be wrong, and it could just be Brainiac, who has to follow orders by Zod and his followers, and Brainiac opens the door at their command, but we'll see as time marches on. :)

[TheRealClarkKent]

True Dat.

[Kryptomaniac]

Will Clark even go looking for the ship now that he has his powers back? Seems pretty important to me but of course (blush) Clark has been pretty distracted of late.

[kal-el03]

brainiac 99% sure, jor-el knows brainiac is on earth, and brainiac is the one who can make on with the ship. Clark doesnt even know where it is, and hes never seen it but he knows it somewhere.

[AugenStern]

Remember that Clark needed a key to open his own ship, and open the cave wall, and activate the portal, ect. He doesn't open things just by being Kryptonian, and the black ship obviously isn't even directly connected to Clark.

The Disciples and Braniac were the ones who came in it, so its logical that only they know how to open it.

[smvfan]

Originally posted by EricN68
I didn't get a good look -- what was the symbol Lex spotted on the ship. Was it the Z for Zod?

I didn't get a good look either so I froze it and checked it out. Reminds me of the symbol Lionel drew in Lex's mansion. I uploaded the two here, let me know what you guys think:

http://www.downloadtaxi.com/cgi/get.pl?116

[Kalel33076]

In the trailer and in the spoilers it is Braniac who opens the ship, he stands over it and places his hands on it.

[ramicio]

he's got to mean brainiac. he knew about the disciples of zod coming to earth.

[DarkClone]

I'm pretty sure he's talkin abour Braniac . . . come on, he's talkin about how Clark is about to face his darkest hour . . . how could he not be talking about braniac, HE CAME OUT OF THE SHIP!

[Hugo]

I think he's taking about Braniac.