troubled by Clark's words in final scene...

[unPTC]

Was anyone else scratching their head during the final moments of the scene with Chloe? After Chloe (apparently the only character with integrity) points out the folly of remaining with Lana without telling her, Clark says a lot of stuff that a) did not follow from previous events and b) made him look like a total a-hole with regard to Lana

- he did not choose to lose his powers, rather he chose to accept the consequences of not returning to FOS..he did not know at the time what the consequences would be
-he flips back and forth from selflessness to selfishness in a way that doesn't flow..."he risked too much before and now someone will have to pay"...but now he doesn't want to take the risk of telling Lana the truth b/c why? what's the risk here? the only one I can see is her not accepting him and HIM being hurt? shouldn't this be small potates in light of everything else? oh, so it is about him getting to keep her and still not disclose...
-with his doubtfulness about whether or not she will accept him, he's just dissed her...why's he with her then?
-if he's talking about protecting anyone at all in his life...it's not clear from the dialogue, it was just too vague and non-linear....

[runningwithscissors]

didn't jor-el tell clark at the FOS that if he did not return before sundown, the consequences would be 'grave'?

looks like we know what 'grave' means now!

Telling Lana (or anyone he cares about) his secret puts them in danger. Also, with telling anyone his secret, they also know his weakness (or to even possibly kill him). Look at Lex, when Clark and Lex were good buddies. If Clark would have told Lex his secrets, obviously that would not be a good thing for Clark as it stands now!

[wonderwomanS]

Yeah but Lana already knows. I think he is scared that if he tells Lana "by the way, I am an alien" she will run away from him. But in all honesty with Smallville and the 'freaks' I think it won't shock her. Like I said she already knows. I wonder if she will say to him "Clark, I know all about you. You don't have to say a word" . I think he will say something to her.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by unPTC
- he did not choose to lose his powers, rather he chose to accept the consequences of not returning to FOS..he did not know at the time what the consequences would be


I think Jor-El was quantifying the effects of his decisions more than he was describing Clark's choices. I agree though that it did sound like Clark was supposed to know that that whole sundown thing would result in the loss of his powers. Still, Clark being an 'I wish I was normal' doofus means that he probably *would* have chosen to lose his powers nonetheless. ;)



-he flips back and forth from selflessness to selfishness in a way that doesn't flow..."he risked too much before and now someone will have to pay"...but now he doesn't want to take the risk of telling Lana the truth b/c why? what's the risk here?


You are right. Personal loss is his only concern here.



-with his doubtfulness about whether or not she will accept him, he's just dissed her...why's he with her then?


Sweet, sweet booty?



-if he's talking about protecting anyone at all in his life...it's not clear from the dialogue, it was just too vague and non-linear....


I think he was, for the most part, quite belabored beneath a fairly weighty cloud of dread. He needs a bit to sort things out. At this point, anybody could be doomed to die, and unlike the case of the meteor showers, this death WILL BE his fault.

[unPTC]

You are right. Personal loss is his only concern here.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but he said it like "I can't take that risk" with an intonation that sounded like he was being protective of Lana, not of himself...I just listened to it again...I think if the meaning was, I'm not sure I'm able to/willing to take that risk...it would have sounded very different...The meaning of I should have listened to him was clear, but then right after that, what is the big mistake he made??? He didn't knowingly exchange his powers for mortality.....just what is he taking responsibility for? very confusing...

[sman29]

i think the big mistake was not going back to the FOS and disobeying Jor-El

[wickedgirl23]

When Jor-el gave him his powers back he told Clark that the life of someone he loved would be taken in exchange for his life. Clark tried to get Jor-el to let him die so that person would keep their life, but Jor-el said that is was already to late and that when
he had made the choice not to go back to the FOS was when Clark started to whole thing. If he had gone back to the fortress, which he didn't because he stayed with Lana dispite's Jor-el's warning of grave consequences, than he would not have died and no one's life would have to be exchanged.

In the barn with Chloe, Clark was talking about two things. First, Lana was brought up because Clark was disappointed that he got his powers back and he would have to lie to everyone, espeically Lana, again. Chloe understood that and Clark admited in their conversation that he did not trust Lana with his secret and he didn't want to put her in danger by telling her (look at what happened to everyone who found out about Clark). Chloe can handle it, Lana can't and Clark knows this.

Then, seeing that Clark was really upset about something and that the issue with his powers was only part of it, Chloe asked him what was wrong. Clark starts to open up and tell Chloe about what Jor-el said. The mistake he is reffering to is not going back to the FOS and disobaying Jor-El. He now realizes that what he did was selfish and someone he loves will have to pay for his selfishness and there is nothing he can do about it.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lana WOULD be in danger if she knew Clark's secret. How can people not see this? Are all the times the kents and pete got hurt, not enough justification of that?

[wickedgirl23]

exactly, Chloe is in danger too, but Clark realizes that she knows the comlications of it

[tejdog1]

Yeah, and if Lex ever gets even the slightest hint Chloe knows, we'll get all the justification we NEED about how knowing Clark's secret is DANGEROUS

[kryptonguy]

Look back to last season's episode where everyone relives their worst fear. All of this is explained there (pretty much).

Clark is afraid that Lana will not except him...that she will blame him for her parent's death...even potentially hold a grudge and kill him (not realistic, but it is the worst case for him).

Now at the end (or almost the end) of the episode Clark and the Kents talk about his fear of being alone. Clark pretty much says exactly what he said at the end of this episode.

He admits there is a chance that Lana would except him. But he can not take that chance. This, I think, is more the rejection for not being "normal". The confimation of her hating him.

Clarks scars are not physical ("on the surface" as Chloe mentions). However the emotional guilt and fears of being alone are where the real damage is done.

[Schmidter]

I first have to say... OMFG!!!! THIS SERIE IS JUST THE GREATEST! =)=)=)

Man I dont know why, but when I see Smallville, it wakes BIG EMOTIONS in me, I really can relate to the feelings! And The historie about it is just FANTASTIC!!! =)

This the 3 episode was just GREAT!! I just cryed sometimes in it, damm man, cant take it, MUS HAVE MORE SMALLVILLE NOW, will NOT wait until next week, though i have to!

Anyone feels like me, plz add me on msn Schmidteren@hotmail.com I would REALLY like to write with som other really big smallville fans =)

Sorry for all the flaming =) Hope that this message not will be erases =)

I also HOPE that Clark tells Lana hes secret, and I think I know WHy he cant talk about it... I actually had it like he have, with my big true love! =) Couldnt tell her anything, cant explain right now, am to excited about the episode :D

Well of for now, hope that somone add me on their msn so wa can talk about smallville! =)

Steen

[clark25]

Ya it makes me wonder about that to
I am thinking it might be Lionel since he
already knows who Clark is.And to it maybe Pa kent if there going by the same
formaula that Superman the movie went
by but I hope thats not the case

[LEXCLARK]

He doesn't want to tell her because his bigest fear as we saw last season in "Scare" was that lana will hate him for him being the reason her parents are dead. They died in the meteor that brought him to Earth. Him not telling Lana will actually be a lesson for him in the long run. As we know, he keeps it a secret from Lois in Metropolis once he bcomes Superman, because he never wants to put her in danger. By not telling the people he loves, they LIVE! Unlike Chloe and Pete who are going to die I think. The pain of losing them prevents him from telling Lana, and she of course lives a long life. Though it kills him to not tell her, he sees the positive in it and never tells Lois either.

[Drew]

Ha, I was right about to make a similar post until I read that.

There could be very negative consequences to Clark telling Lana, such as her never wanting to speak to him again, or worst, telling people. That would ruin Clark and destroy his life.

[lana&Clark4ever]

clark is so dumb....LISTEN TO CHLOE, just tell lana. it seems like lana already knows about him being an alien, and wants clark to open up to her....i don't think lana will freak out like in "scare". the guy lana went out with in magnetic...she was amazed by his powers....i think it will be the same when clark shows her his abilities and she will forget the past.

[Mydhrin]

You see, Clark worst fear about Lana is rejection, no matter the reason. Wether it is because he killed her parents or because hes an alien, even though Lana wouldnt react this way, Clarks fear is based on the assumption that telling his secret to Lana will make her reject him. That would mean for Clark to the girl he loves, the only one he wants, will reject him for who he is. That is a pretty creepy and powerful feeling to have. Even though its not true, its already made the damage.

EDIT:
But Lana told Clark at the hospital that the reason she pulled away from him because of his secret is because she knew that his secret would lead to him lying dead. That is the worst fear of Lana. By the way Clark reacted in the hospital, he looked at her before he flatlined, i believe and hope he heard and understood her.

Also, at the end, when he speaks with Chloe, he says that he cannot take anymore risks. His father, Jor-El, has certified Clark that he will lose somebody he loves. If he tells Lana his secret, he fears he might lose her as well and he doesnt want that, hence he doesnt want to take the risk.

But all of this is base on his assumptions. Clark should have listened to Chloe to the most important phrase of this "Dont you think you owe her the choice?" Thats exactly what Clark needs to understand. We could make the parallel of with Spiderman 2 with Peter and MJ...

[kido]

for me, a lot of what clark has been saying about lana and his secret to chloe is misdirection. it seems like he might be lying to chloe about lana knowing for lana's protection. if chloe knew that lana knew a) it could hurt chloe that lana was willingly told and b) it would endanger lana, chloe, and the secret because chloe might tell someone that lana knows either inadvertantly or under duress.

[wickedgirl23]

Lana does not know about Clark. She may have her suspicions about him, but she does not know anything. She may have seen him use his powers before, but she does not remember anything.

[Farmboy]

Hey wicked girl, it looks like Chloe is superspeeding off in your avatar.

[snowblizzard]

Originally posted by unPTC
Was anyone else scratching their head during the final moments of the scene with Chloe? After Chloe (apparently the only character with integrity) points out the folly of remaining with Lana without telling her, Clark says a lot of stuff that a) did not follow from previous events and b) made him look like a total a-hole with regard to Lana

- he did not choose to lose his powers, rather he chose to accept the consequences of not returning to FOS..he did not know at the time what the consequences would be
-he flips back and forth from selflessness to selfishness in a way that doesn't flow..."he risked too much before and now someone will have to pay"...but now he doesn't want to take the risk of telling Lana the truth b/c why? what's the risk here? the only one I can see is her not accepting him and HIM being hurt? shouldn't this be small potates in light of everything else? oh, so it is about him getting to keep her and still not disclose...
-with his doubtfulness about whether or not she will accept him, he's just dissed her...why's he with her then?
-if he's talking about protecting anyone at all in his life...it's not clear from the dialogue, it was just too vague and non-linear....

It's the ressurection of a new Clark Kent. A real unintelligent dummy. He really did look like an idiot. After all this is Smallville and with these producers anything goes for today disregarding what was said in previous episodes This is the only show which producers do this to their fans. Unbelievable!

[Billy Jor-El]

I think Clark looked like an idiot when he was powerless. What did he think would happen? The world would be all rosy? How many times has he saved his friends because he had the ability to do so,and now all he had was super whining? My gawd! If I had a moment to choose whether I wanted to be different and have those powers...pour them on!!!!! People I know don't think I'm "normal" anyway :p

My main thought about Lana has been Clark's fear she will reject him because she will feel he's the cause of her parents' deaths (wasn't that his fear in, uh, "Fear?"). Physically this guy is an amazing faster-than-a-speeding-bullet hero...mentally, he's on par with chimps.

One interesting thought was crossing my mind. What if the person whose life is exchanged is Lionel? I mean, Clark doesn't love Lionel, but LL is the one vessel for Jor-El. Perhaps as Clark comes to love his true father he will only see his father taken away with Lionel's passing, and no one else to act as spokesperson for Jor-El, including just the voice inthe caves. Jor-El will be truly gone and Clark will have lost someone he loves.

It just better not be Chloe!!!!!!!

[unPTC]

I conetend, his words on this subject were completely confusing..he wasn't talking like someone who feared rejection, he was talking like someone being protective...(I don't have a choice) and I it didn't work for me...I was also thinking when he said to Chloe: "I can't expect her to react like you did" (because when you found out we hadn't already slept together)...

[Daphne]

Lana finds out about Clark from, and she finds out that Clark and Chloe are in on the deal and so Lana runs to Lex. The only reason I say this is that I have heard that Lana and Lex get together and this seems a reason for them to sit a pout about Clark lying to them.
I think Lana would understand. I truly do. But I guess we won't get to see that scene.

[cotton candy girl]

I think he'll tell her in the 100th episode, and they'll never be together again.

[Hendo]

I don't know how he can think his girlfriend wohn't want to see the bullet wound/scar. Is he planning on never taking his shirt off around her again?

[norman619]

Man... I still don't get how Jorel can take his "powers" away... It's kinda like taking away Carl Lewis' ability to run fast or Einstein's genius. It's BS. Even w/o his "powers" he's still a freaking alien. It would have been very appearant once the cut him open. The whole Lana thing is rediculous. With all the stuff going on this idiot gives a damn about how one whiney hipocritical girl thinks or feels about him. It's time for Clark to find his balls and start acting like the man he's supposed to be. Chloe is the only one this season thinking and showing some backbone. The ending of the episode to me was anticlimactic. Most of these shows do. They start off great then wind down as if all the craziness that took place earlier were just a few blah moments. Wish each episode built on the one before and showed some sort of true continuity. Over all I liked the episode. Just wish more thought went into the writing in the show over all.

[Billy Jor-El]

Well, if Clark's powers can be transferred to someone else, leaving him mere mortal, I have no problem with Jor-El taking them away, too.

And I agree, at what point is his new bed buddy Lana gonna ask to see the scar (or for that matter just want to jump in the sack with him) and have no scar to show? She'll have to think about Lex's words by then....

[cmgames]

Originally posted by Hendo
I don't know how he can think his girlfriend wohn't want to see the bullet wound/scar. Is he planning on never taking his shirt off around her again?

The writers will gloss over that part and act like the viewers have forgotten. Don't forget its on the WB, its Kids TV, kids have short memories.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
Lana WOULD be in danger if she knew Clark's secret. How can people not see this? Are all the times the kents and pete got hurt, not enough justification of that?

Lana's in danger anyway, even if she doesn't know Clark's secret. She's constantly getting into dangerous situations and having to be saved. Plus now Clark knows that one of his loved ones is fated to die, so it's only right to tell her the truth, she at least deserves to know that she could be in danger of dying because of him. Let's face it, Clark isn't going to tell Lana the truth because he's scared of what she will think and he doesn't trust her reaction.

[No-El]

Originally posted by Billy Jor-El
I think Clark looked like an idiot when he was powerless. What did he think would happen? The world would be all rosy? How many times has he saved his friends because he had the ability to do so,and now all he had was super whining? My gawd! If I had a moment to choose whether I wanted to be different and have those powers...pour them on!!!!! People I know don't think I'm "normal" anyway :p

My main thought about Lana has been Clark's fear she will reject him because she will feel he's the cause of her parents' deaths (wasn't that his fear in, uh, "Fear?"). Physically this guy is an amazing faster-than-a-speeding-bullet hero...mentally, he's on par with chimps.

One interesting thought was crossing my mind. What if the person whose life is exchanged is Lionel? I mean, Clark doesn't love Lionel, but LL is the one vessel for Jor-El. Perhaps as Clark comes to love his true father he will only see his father taken away with Lionel's passing, and no one else to act as spokesperson for Jor-El, including just the voice inthe caves. Jor-El will be truly gone and Clark will have lost someone he loves.

It just better not be Chloe!!!!!!!



Don't worry!!

He DOES NOT LOVE Chloe!!

Remember, WE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Superman790]

I don't think it will be Lionel that gets killed off because he is the only person who can act as go between with Clark. Whenever Jor-El needs him, he takes control of Lionel, superspeeds and goes to meet Clark. If that is the scenerio it can also act as kind of a subplot to the season, maybe Lex catches Lionel on camera superspeeding or see Clark and Lionel talking. Unfortunately I think it will be Bo that dies, but not yet cause they need to do the Dukes of Hazzard episode.
On Lana knowing, she obviously has her suspicions, and knows there is something wierd going on. I mean Clark died right in front of her, then the next second he was gone, then an hour later he was fully dressed and picking her up as if nothing happened.
Did any else think Kristin looked like a child when TW was holding her?

[cmgames]

Who does Jor-el think he is just using any person he feels like as a vessel? Good job for Lionel that Clark is a useless mortal otherwise he could have been in that zombie state permanently.

Also why the hell did Jor-el take Clark's powers away from him if he knew Clark wouldn't last very long? Obviously he didn't have any faith in him otherwise he would not have planted himself in Lionel.

So he took Clark's powers knowing full well there was a great chance he'd die. So he got inside Lionel to bring him back to life only to give Clark the caveat of knowing somebody close to him would die now that he resurrected him. Jor-el is a twisted sicko!

[No-El]

Remember Everyone!

Note Jor-El's words to Clark in the FOS

"...the life force which was given to you will be taken from someone...someone you love...will die"

Based on past episodes and affirmations, both in action AND verbally of Clark ask yourselfs which one of these: (please note the joining word---AND)

Pa Kent?
Ma Kent?
Pete Ross?
Lana Lang?
Chloe Sullivan?
Shelby the dog?
Lois Lane?

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by No-El
Don't worry!!

He DOES NOT LOVE Chloe!!

Remember, WE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I, personally, think he doesn't know how much he truly loves Chloe....so it's still scary.......be afraid.....be very afraid.

I think it will be J. Kent.....he's already been in alliance with Jo-rel when bringing Clark back from Metropolis. And Jo-rel knows that John Kent would....if it had to be himself.....want it this way. Plus it would follow the original Canon. on top of things, it would make the moment when he denied to his parents that Jo-rel asked for anything......well, let's just say it makes his lying quite dramatic....and deeply moving.

[No-El]

Originally posted by CK&CK
I, personally, think he doesn't know how much he truly loves Chloe....so it's still scary.......be afraid.....be very afraid.

I think it will be J. Kent.....he's already been in alliance with Jo-rel when bringing Clark back from Metropolis. And Jo-rel knows that John Kent would....if it had to be this way.....want it this way. Plus it would follow the original Canon.

I don't WANT to be afraid!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARRHHHGGGG!!!!!

CHLOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont GOOOOO!

[Superman790]

Originally posted by No-El
Remember Everyone!

Note Jor-El's words to Clark in the FOS

"...the life force which was given to you will be taken from someone...someone you love...will die"

Based on past episodes and affirmations, both in action AND verbally of Clark ask yourselfs which one of these: (please note the joining word---AND)

Pa Kent?
Ma Kent?
Pete Ross?
Lana Lang?
Chloe Sullivan?
Shelby the dog?
Lois Lane?

Pa Kent- maybe
Ma Kent- probably not, who else is Superman going to send part of his paycheck to in later years. Bo is too headstrong to accept that money
Pete Ross- would be an interesting turn of events, but that means Sam Jones III will not be coming back. On the otherhand if someone else Clark loves dies, then that would be means to bring him back for an episode or two, you know to pay his last respects
Lana Lang- I see where you were going with this one
Chloe Sullivan- maybe, might explain why no one knew who she was until Smallville
Shleby the dog- your disturbed if you think they will kill Shelby, that is just wrong =P
Louis Lane- this one is a toss up, sure they would alienate every single Superman fan and change the course of Clark's history, but when has that stopped TPTB, also with Louise out of the picture that means KK will get together with Clark

maybe we are overthinking this whole thing and when the person Clark loves dies we will all be saying "WTF?"

[No-El]

Originally posted by Superman790
Pa Kent- maybe
Ma Kent- probably not, who else is Superman going to send part of his paycheck to in later years. Bo is too headstrong to accept that money
Pete Ross- would be an interesting turn of events, but that means Sam Jones III will not be coming back. On the otherhand if someone else Clark loves dies, then that would be means to bring him back for an episode or two, you know to pay his last respects
Lana Lang- I see where you were going with this one
Chloe Sullivan- maybe, might explain why no one knew who she was until Smallville
Shleby the dog- your disturbed if you think they will kill Shelby, that is just wrong =P
Louis Lane- this one is a toss up, sure they would alienate every single Superman fan and change the course of Clark's history, but when has that stopped TPTB, also with Louise out of the picture that means KK will get together with Clark

maybe we are overthinking this whole thing and when the person Clark loves dies we will all be saying "WTF?"


Very good responses to each one, indeed!!

Yes! The writer's have ALREADY DONE something to "blow all our minds" no doubt!!

Everythings in post production probably!!!!!!!!!

[cmgames]

If TPTB want to rewrite the comic books which they seem to love doing then I think the person that should die is himself. He surely loves himself right? Let Lex be the one to kill Clark and let evilness reign supreme over Smallville. That'll be a small departure from the comics granted but hey if TPTB want to make small changes all the time, might as well do one big one.

Plus Clark is so annoying right now, he is nowhere near becoming the man he's supposed to be and he's not getting any closer. So just kill him off, if one has to be sacrificed and be done with it. I'm sick of this Clark Kent half wit.

[Superman790]

I think the whole point of someone dieing is meant as a way to get him back on track. I am gonna use an example here
Say J. Kent dies. Clark is struck with grief. He always just wants to crawl in a hole and not be alive because he is the reason his father died. Then one day Lana comes up to him and says she can't stand being with someone who is always so sad and they break up. Suddenly, Clark realizes that for his whole life he has been focused on the wrong thing, getting Lana. And then marries Chloe who legally changes her name to Louis Lane and murders her cousin. Okay aside from that last sentence which was a joke, he starts to focus on the right things, using his powers to help people, not just his friends (not that he is totally off track he has gone out of his way to help people before ex: Slumber) which eventually leads him to being the man we all know and love.

[unPTC]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Lana's in danger anyway, even if she doesn't know Clark's secret. She's constantly getting into dangerous situations and having to be saved. Plus now Clark knows that one of his loved ones is fated to die, so it's only right to tell her the truth, she at least deserves to know that she could be in danger of dying because of him. Let's face it, Clark isn't going to tell Lana the truth because he's scared of what she will think and he doesn't trust her reaction.

It's good to point this out....anyone close to Clark is in danger whether or not they know the secret.. Clark isn't going to tell Lana truth because this is one of the last unresolved questions of the series...the writers are going to use it and dangle it as long as possible....this is fine with, it being TV after all, it's just that it's being with such a lack of continuity...Clark keeps making these weird comments that put it all on Lana, instead of him (Obsession: I can never be honest with her...Scare...I can never tell her now...Hidden...I can't expect her to react the same way you did [chloe]...if he started to put it on himself more...it would show some character evolution and simply...make sense!!

[Bobbie]

Keep in mind he did say Love............and how many different kinds of love are there........keeps the field wide open!!

[No-El]

Originally posted by Bobbie
Keep in mind he did say Love............and how many different kinds of love are there........keeps the field wide open!!


Yeah! Way OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1steve]

Is he simply just not going to tell her yet keep her? Seems he dumped her a couple of seasons back because being invoved with him could be dangerous. He only started dating her again because he thought he was mortal and she would be out of danger. Now that he has his powers back she is in the same danger that kept them apart before, whether she knows his secret or not. Yet how can they let Clark dump her after taking her virginity without making him look like a total S.O.B? Also if Lana knows nothing, how is it she gave Clark her piece of the Kryptonian artifact saying "I think this was meant for you" or something to that affect?

[SmallvilleMan]

That's what kind of pisses me off, because he would have dated her anyways. Mortal or not, i doubt he was just going to back down after what he said in Blank and commencement.

[smallvillerox05]

the guy lana went out with in magnetic...she was amazed by his powers....i think it will be the same when clark shows her his abilities and she will forget the past.
Except the FOTW was manipulating Lana's emotions to make her feel whatever he wanted her to feel. Little wonder she accepted him so quickly.

Lana told Clark in Visitor that she would freak out if she ever met a genuine alien.

[cmgames]

Originally posted by smallvillerox05
Except the FOTW was manipulating Lana's emotions to make her feel whatever he wanted her to feel. Little wonder she accepted him so quickly.

Lana told Clark in Visitor that she would freak out if she ever met a genuine alien.

She doesn't seem to be mentally scarred by her experience with those kryptonians.

[SmallvilleMan]

Lana said she would be a LITTLE freaked out. Why do people always leave out the LITTLE part?