Some will die... When and How?

[Reign]

You would imagine that it wouldn't be long after Clark was resurrected, right?

I don't know how I feel about Jonathan dying until the end of the season, if at all. I prefer that he not die. It doesn't serve a purpose in the Superman mythos if he did... he's not Spiderman and Jonathan is not Uncle Ben.

According to a lot of posts on this board, the other option is Chloe. I'd like to see her die, but also not so soon.

Basically, I know someone will die... who it is will determine how. Big question is WHEN?

[smallvillerox05]

I know I've said this a lot, but if Jor-El sacraficed himself and that's what he meant by someone close to Clark, then theoretically no one has to die.

That being said, I think Chloe will eventually die at the hands of Lex, but in a completely unrelated way, totally seperate from Clark's resurrection and Jor-El's responsibility thereof.

[Kal2]

To me, that DID look like a sacrifice, he hugged Clark, gave him all his strenght/powers, and said "always know that i love you", and vanished slowly.

[rosewolfe87]

eh, personally, I think it's Johnathon or Martha Kent. That's just my opinion though. There would be too many people devastated if Chloe died. She's a favorite of smallville.

[SmallvilleFan-FL]

The "The life force of someone you love" thing already happened. Jor-El was using Lionel as a repository for himself.

Now...

He's gone.

That was "The Sacrifice" and, from what Clark said to Chloe in the Loft, he already knows it "Chloe... I think I've made a terrible mistake"

So... Jor El told him that someone he loves would die.

Jor El tells him that he loves him.

Jor El sacrifices his life energy to empower his son (note the hug from Lionel / Clark glowing as he gets the energy transfer thing)

No one else will be dying due to that unless it's written into the Season farther down the line for a completely different reason.

[medly]

The crystals of the FOS old all of the knowledge and power of the Kryptonian race. Superman regained his powers after the Lois incident in the movie with the loss of his humanity. I would like to think that Jor-El still has a presence in the fortress. Even better, Lionel has been written out of the main story line significantly and could continue to be controlled by Jor-El and his memories used by Jor-El to keep Lex in the dark about the new Clark for the rest of the season, sort of a blocker. Lex is going bad, that's evident. He is even more determined to prove that Clark has been lying. Lionel did state,"I hope you will someday call me father." Who knows what is to come, but they have definitely started a great season.

[Deia]

well, it could be jor-el.... except jor-el is already dead

[djcowell]

It has to be Jonathan. This sets up a situation that's just too good to pass up. The whole show has always had the relationships between fathers and sons being a major theme. Now, late in the season we could have Lex kill his father (following in Lionel's footsteps) and Clark "killing" his father (indirectly) and see how the two handle it. Powerful stuff...

[runningwithscissors]

jor-el is already dead though!

There is a balance in nature......it's hard to say who it is but that is why it makes it so intriguing!

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by SmallvilleFan-FL
The "The life force of someone you love" thing already happened. Jor-El was using Lionel as a repository for himself.

Now...

He's gone.

That was "The Sacrifice" and, from what Clark said to Chloe in the Loft, he already knows it "Chloe... I think I've made a terrible mistake"

So... Jor El told him that someone he loves would die.

Jor El tells him that he loves him.

Jor El sacrifices his life energy to empower his son (note the hug from Lionel / Clark glowing as he gets the energy transfer thing)

No one else will be dying due to that unless it's written into the Season farther down the line for a completely different reason.

Nope.

Your premise requires that love is returned by force simply by declaring love to a target. So, if I tell you that I love you, it automatically means that you love me.

Jor El's not alive. Think of Jor El like a computer program uploaded into the Kryptonian artifice. Even if he is a life force, he's not a human life force, and so cannot restore the balance he spoke of.

[dwgebler]

I would also add to this that Jor-El said someone CLARK loved would die, not someone who LOVED Clark, so I don't take this as Jor-El being the sacrifice, as Clark has never shown Jor-El any particular fondness.

I won't speculate on who will die for Clark but I do tend to agree that Chloe and JK are the most likely candidates. Who knows how/where/when this is going to happen.

[jim[beam]]

It's unlikely that Jon Kent will die...the guy has a contract for 17 episodes ;)

I dont know about the contracts of the rest. If you could figure that out then u can also speculate a little better who is to die and who isn't.

But over the summer there have been several petitions and questions regarding Jonathan Kent's future on the show. Fans didnt want to see him die and the producers and John then confirmed that Jon Kent wasnt to die. So it's definitely not him.

You can also speculate using the info you have already meaning: What characters on the show are the most integral characters in the show. It's unlikely that Lana or Lex will die. Martha Kent won't die either because I just checked the cast for Superman returns and she was in it.

So this leaves Chloe...or Lionel..but if I am not mistaken Lionel is already dead and it's Jor El using the body as a vessel and he is pretending to be Lionel...and besides Lionel and Clark arent close at all..so again it's Chloe but would fans like to see Chloe go? I think not. Chloe has build up alot of credit with the audience and I think alot of us here on this board alone would protest heavily if she was to die.

Another way is that someone dies and then gets back again. It's common in the comics and we have seen comatosed people from the show wake up and turn against Clark with the exception of Jonathan Kent ofcourse.

My personal guess is that Chloe will die...she's not an integral part of the Superman mythos unlike the other characters...

In any case we'll just have to watch the season and see who will die ;)

-jim

[dancinggopher01]

I think this all depends on what direction they are going. If they go the movie route, say "bye bye" to Bo Duke. If they go the comic route, I would think Chloe, but all this talk of Jor-El being the one makes sense to me...I dunno we will have to wait to find out.

[ZariusTwo]

Too easy to say Chole because shes' the M.S of the bunch, it follows the movies like they were Jesus, it'll be Johnathan, not as if hes' doing anything relevent anymore anyhoo, hes' simply been...THERE now, his character almost all but played out.

[Daphne]

I think this little story about someone having to die for him to get his powers back is bad. Now Clark is guilty about the the 1st meteorite shower which killed people, the 2nd meteorite shower which was bad and now this? I don't remember for sure but having him feel like he's the cause of all of

[Daphne]

I think this little story about someone having to die for him to get his powers back is bad. Now Clark is guilty about the the 1st meteorite shower which killed people, the 2nd meteorite shower which was bad and now this? I don't remember for sure but having him feel like he's the cause of all of Smallvplle's woes os a bit much.

[LuthorRequiem2]

"Nope.

Your premise requires that love is returned by force simply by declaring love to a target. So, if I tell you that I love you, it automatically means that you love me.

Jor El's not alive. Think of Jor El like a computer program uploaded into the Kryptonian artifice. Even if he is a life force, he's not a human life force, and so cannot restore the balance he spoke of."

You make very intriguing, good points. But I don't think Smallville-Fan FL was saying that Clark automatically loves Jor-El because Jor-El declared that he loved Clark. I think Smallville Fan FL was saying that in due time, Clark WILL grow to love Jor-El, and then BAM! Jor-El's life force will no longer be a "life force", it will be dead and gone forever, and Clark will take the lessons Jor-El has taught him and use them for good.

There's so many good theories on here. I have to say, the Jor-El one makes the most sense right now. If Jonathan died though, that would suck! That'd be so sad, and the saddest part would be Clark's guilt about his father's death. That may border on making Superman too much like Batman, though, which may not be a good idea. Batman's deep, dark reason for what he does is his guilt over his parents' death, even though he did nothing wrong. If Clark is the same way, it may make his character not quite the Superman of the comics. Either way though, "Smallville" creators and writers always find a way to mix the mythos up and make them different from the comics, yet still work in a beautiful way. I know whatever they do, it will be great.

[freddielm]

OK, I'm probably way out of line here, but what if it's Lex's good spirit that is going to die? He'd then be a dark person hence commencing his road to the dark side?

[runningwithscissors]

If anyone has been keeping up with the rumors for this season, you will know that someone contracts a mysterious kryptonian disease and it is not Lex or Lionel.

[All about Clark]

I still think it is Martha and in the episode Splinter.

[runningwithscissors]

actually i should not call it a rumor, it was verified in t recent tv news article that someone major contracts a mysterious kryptonian disease

[Elbereth Nienna]

I say that dancinggopher is right. It depends on the track they are going to take. If they go the movie route then it's pretty safe to say they are setting up the death of Jonathon. I also really feel that we are getting very close to the end of the series and it would make sense. And besides, even if it were Jonathon that Jor El was referencing it probably wouldn't be till the end of the season. For dramatic affect of course.

If that isn't the plan then I say it has to be Chloe, taking out the only other person who knows his secret.

[freddielm]

Mmm. It could be Chloe, but rememer that episode where she sees herself in the future? ( Sorry, I'm really bad with the names of the episodes ) You know when she and Clark are @ LutherCorp? If that's gonna happen, then how can she die?

[runningwithscissors]

Smallville is signed on through season 6 I believe when they moved to Thursday nights.

[TML]

runningwithscissors and All About Clark:

I find it VERY irritating that you are even mentioning future episodes. You shouldn't even point out that something might happen in some episode coming up based on what you have read from spoilers.
Mentioning specifics is even worse, and even this was done.

[Elbereth Nienna]

Well personally I hope they don't drag the show out for anything more then 6 seasons. And even if they do end it after 6 this would still be about the right time to start the transition that Clark needs to make.

[freddielm]

Originally posted by TML
runningwithscissors and All About Clark:

I find it VERY irritating that you are even mentioning future episodes. You shouldn't even point out that something might happen in some episode coming up based on what you have read from spoilers.
Mentioning specifics is even worse, and even this was done.

I share the feeling. I just ignored those replies. I don't read spoilers nor am I interested in knowing them. Call me old fashioned, but I like being surprised.

[runningwithscissors]

Like these threads don't have 'clues' about future episodes (go back and read the threads of episode 1&2) or what people speculate based off of the comics/past superman series, etc.

Maybe I shouldn't point out or speculate anything because I've read the comics or watched the superman movies lol because aren't they considered spoilers in the whole smallville mythology? and duh, mentioning Lex and Lionel is not being specific because anyone watching the show knows Clark does not love and is not close to Lex or Lionel.

[TML]

Sure, you can go on about how the superman mythos goes, or how some movie did it.
However, you specifically said that if we'd have read spoilers we'd know about a mysterious kryptonian disease? That's not what I'd call relating to movies or mythos.
Oh, and "duh" but All About Clark mentioned that a possiblity is Martha in the episode Splinter. Now this is specifics, and anyone can see that this is speculation due to reading spoilers.
Yes, it is a spoiler as this can and probably will leave people such as myself watching the episode with a heighted interest in Martha as something might happen to her. It would practically remove any trace of suprise.

[mallory]

If Chloe dies, get ready for mutiny...rebellion...revolution.

My vote goes for Pa Kent.

[runningwithscissors]

be like freddielm and just ignore then. I've definately ingnored my share of information from these threads.

[TML]

Originally posted by runningwithscissors
be like freddielm and just ignore then. I've definately ingnored my share of information from these threads.
As far as I know you are not even allowed to post spoilers on episode forums.

So you can't just tell people to ignore posts.
Also, your post for example was so short that by the time one notices it's a spoiler it's already too late.

So, I suggest you simply stop posting anything you've read in the spoilers section.

[scififan]

I also think that it's Mr. Kent. First, it can't be Jor-El because Clark doesn't love him. And I recall that when Jor-El gave Jonathon powers to bring back Clark from the effects of the Red Kryptonite Jonathon had to repay Jor-El back. So now Jor-El will come calling for payment.

runningwithscissors....maybe you should read the forum rules. It specifically states that you should only discuss spoiler information in the spoiler section of this forum. Not everyone wants to know what's going to happen ahead of time.

[SmallvilleGirlC]

In my opinion, I think it is going to be Johnathan Kent.

1. I just thought to myself while watching the show why didn't he tell Ma and Pa Kent what he had to sacrifice in order to get his powers back?? Pa Kent had asked him....did Jor-El ask him for anything (I can't quite remember the wording how he asked) and he just stood there quietly??? I was saying to myself, "Tell them!"

I also agree with you about the payment to Jor-El - Jonathan having powers to bring back Clark from the effects of the Red Kryptonite.

I don't think Pa Kent will die anytime soon or at the end of this season, but we all know he is going to have to die eventally. I think that is who he has sacrificed for.

It always comes back to me... the one saying from "Superman" The movie, when he was about to leave for the Fortress.

In all of his powers and abilities he couldn't save him.

[Satch]

Originally posted by runningwithscissors
If anyone has been keeping up with the rumors for this season, you will know that someone contracts a mysterious kryptonian disease and it is not Lex or Lionel.

Yeah, that's the first thing I remembered! That must be it. ;)

[runningwithscissors]

actually you are right, and my bad, most PHP's state that you just can't state things that are not 'confirmed'.

However, the rules also say: Even if you think it is "common knowledge," it is still considered a spoiler.

So even by speculating who is going to die in the future episodes is considered spoiler even if it is a common theme where people might largely agree on Johnathon or Chloe.

[JTKB44]

Ok I have this theory that Lana is pregnant and that Clark like a father that his going to become will love that baby that's coming but somewhere alone the way Jor-el will take that baby away. I got this theory from when Clarks mom asked him if they used protection and Clark hesitated and said yes but we all knew he was lying and we also know that they have been together more then once so that mean more chances of getting pregnant I don't no but what you people think?

[slave2moonlight]

Hmm...some theories here have made me reconsider. At first, I figured it was either Jonathan or Chloe, probably Chloe unless they want to stick as close to the movies have they have been even to that degree. BUT, after reading some theories on Jor-El and Lionel...

I think it's impossible that it's something that took place in that particular episode. It's a hook for the rest of the season. It hasn't happened yet. Still, the idea of Jor-El made me think. It could actually be Lionel who dies, in a sense. Lionel as Jor-El that is. I mean, Jor-El is going to be using Lionel's body from time to time, that's the impression I got. Clark will grow attached to Lionel in a way. It's going to be weird. Then, Lionel will die, and that means Jor-El will die in a sense, for Clark at least. That's just a theory though.

No matter who dies, there are going to be hardcore fans of the character that will be up in arms, so I don't think that will sway the decision of who dies. BUT, it does make me think that someone coming back to life may be a possibility...

[cmgames]

I hope somebody dies pretty soon and I want it to be Chloe. I bet they will drag this thing out the whole season, is Jor-el really that sadistic? I don't want it at the end otherwise Season 6 is going to be like a mortuary. Clark blaming himself, yaddayaddyadda. I say Chloe because how can Lois be the girl Clark ends up with when Chloe is there? I can't see how they are going to progress Lois on the investigative journalism path when her cousin is doing the same. It has to be something big that gets Lois into it, what bigger than Chloe's death being the cause.

[Drew]

They could easily kill chloe off because shes not part of the whole superman mythology. Also, we all know what happened to Pete after he learned Clarks secret....
I would be pissed if they killed her off seeing as shes one of my favorite characters.

They could also do Jonathon. He obviously dies in the movies, and he will probably die before the shows finished.

Either way, I dont want to see a main character die unless its last episodes of the last season and they are wrapping things up.

[cmgames]

I like Chloe as a character too but as far as superman mythology goes, well she's not in it. Clark has his path as does Lex, but now they brought Lois into the mix she needs a path too. I'm not seeing anything at the moment and Chloe's death would be a big catalyst into Lois becoming the person we all know she becomes.

[slave2moonlight]

I just don't want this to be a false threat, because I'm sick of that bull.

Anyways, there are plenty of obvious reasons why it should be Chloe, if anyone. Frankly, I'd like it just to be her because I got sick of all the Chloe obsessers really fast. Especially when they were all sure she would magically become Lois. I hate to say I want it to be Chloe though, because I do like her. Her personality (when she's not moping or handing out guilt trips) is more endearing than Lana's, and probably more than Lois's too (though I always enjoy Lois scenes, probably just because she's funny). And, admittedly, I find Lana to be the hottest female regular on the show, with Lois possibly second (even looking the best at times, like when they were all possessed by witches), but curvy little blondes with big eyes are still my preference in general, and Chloe has some great moments in that respect (but the face is always the seller for me, and Chloe is cute, but not quite my kind of cute).

[TML]

Originally posted by runningwithscissors
Even if you think it is "common knowledge," it is still considered a spoiler.

So even by speculating who is going to die in the future episodes is considered spoiler even if it is a common theme where people might largely agree on Johnathon or Chloe.
Now you are just misunderstading what the rules often state.
It is trying to say that some think that the majority read spoilers and hence almost everyone knows about them, so this person would think that it is ok to post them. Which it is not.

You can always speculate, based on what you have seen in past episodes.

[JerryKing]

Since the Lane character must, unfortunately, stay, I would love to hope that it is Sullivan who gets killed off - permanently. However, considering the hack copouts during the last season, I'm sure that it will be something laughably idiotic. I suspect a "tragedy" along these lines...

- Pete Ross is brought back for one or two episodes - to die. "Ooh, woe is Clark!".

- Someone is set up to be a victim. If in the next episode we start to learn of Clark's relationship with some previously background character or a "guest star" from a previous episode - you know who the cadaver will be.

- There is no victim. Instead, the "death" is just a cheap metaphor. "Clark... whatever remained of Lex's humanity just died. Effectively, you killed him". "Clark... the human part of you died. You are now Kal-El"...

- There actually is some death... but, look! It gets reversed in the same episode or the following one.

However, in the (remote) case that a major character really does die, I'm betting that they will go for death that will be the cheapest, the most obvious, least wanted by the viewer yet probably most welcome by the MTV crowd - the movie death. I.e. Jonathan Kent's, most likely from heart failure. That way the aforementioned MTV crowd, to whom they appear to be pandering now, considering the changes, will be able to stop chewing gum and exclaim "Like, ohmigosh, I'm like so totally glad that like it's like the old dude like who like totally gets it instead of like that hottie like [insert name here]". (That's my approximate vocalization of what I believe to be the expression of their cognitive patterns in such an event, but obviously I cannot vouch for its realism)

[TML]

Originally posted by JerryKing
- Pete Ross is brought back for one or two episodes - to die. "Ooh, woe is Clark!".

- Someone is set up to be a victim. If in the next episode we start to learn of Clark's relationship with some previously background character or a "guest star" from a previous episode - you know who the cadaver will be.

- There is no victim. Instead, the "death" is just a cheap metaphor. "Clark... whatever remained of Lex's humanity just died. Effectively, you killed him". "Clark... the human part of you died. You are now Kal-El"...

- There actually is some death... but, look! It gets reversed in the same episode or the following one.
These are in my opinion the best suggestions so far. I myself would say that it is exactly as is said above.

I don't think that at the moment the series is ready for a major death. It must somehow be reversed at some stage.
Yes, I know the that it is already season 5 but still. Most central characters are still very important and it would be a huge hit on the viewers, which I admit might not be such a bad thing in the long run.
Although I know that we would have four hundred thousand messages here stating their utter anger and threats of not watching the series anymore if Chloe gets axed. I doubt TPTB want that, and for one couldn't stand reading those messages :D

[Black & White]

Originally posted by scififan
I also think that it's Mr. Kent. First, it can't be Jor-El because Clark doesn't love him. And I recall that when Jor-El gave Jonathon powers to bring back Clark from the effects of the Red Kryptonite Jonathon had to repay Jor-El back. So now Jor-El will come calling for payment.

runningwithscissors....maybe you should read the forum rules. It specifically states that you should only discuss spoiler information in the spoiler section of this forum. Not everyone wants to know what's going to happen ahead of time.


I agree with you, I can see it happening. Lionel can't be because Clark doesn't love him, and Jor-el said that "someone YOU LOVE will die" (not exactly the same words). If Chloe dies audience will go down a lot.

[TML]

The tax on receiving powers to bring Clark back was collected already.

This is completely separate. Jor-El said that these new events have their own price.

It might still be Jonathan, but the reasons are different this time around.

[lynelle]

Whatever happens, I sincerely hope that it isn't a cop-out, and no one really dies, because after five years I'm sick of it. I want someone to die, and never come back and it should also be someone that Clark loves. So anyone of Jonathan or Chloe, which are the most likely for me, is fine by me.

At one point or another this show is going to have to start shaping up to resemble the future. And those two are the viable options in that regards.

They will probably stretch this out, thereby torturing some fans, before someone is gone.

[Kryptonian Sage]

It really depends on what version of Superman they're following; the current comics thread, or the version started in Superman: The Movie.

Superman Returns is a sequel to Superman II, they're ignoring the III and IV versions. In the movies, his parents died when he was younger. His parents will be in the new movie as flashback references, as will a younger Clark.

Since we all know this show following it's own beat of the drum, it's still up in the air. However, I do think personally after more consideration that it will be Chloe. She's NOT a character from movies or comics, so she's the most likely to be the one. I don't want to see her die, but that's how it's looking at this point.

[super-girl_argos]

I was think about it for a while and this is how I broke it down:

Jor-El: Already dead.

Lionel: Clark doesn't love him but I think he should die of something unrelated.

Lex: Major villan, Clark doesn't love him plus he has to stick around

Lois: For obvious reasons they can't kill her unless they do a cop out and bring her back.

Lana: Also way to important to kill though if she did die it would send Clark on to the Superman route as much as Jonathon's death in Superman 1 did.

Chloe: She is a huge fan favorite though she isn't in the comics or movie so it is a possibility

Jonathon: He's tho one who I think is going to die and it would be a very dramatic ending to a season.

Martha: It could be her but I don't think it's likely.

[dreamer551]

i think that if they're gonna do Chloe, if would be fitting (and prob the only way i'd accept it) for her to die protecting Clark's secret, her or jonathan for that matter, and not by some stupid accident, or meteor freak.