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HotRodTE
10-14-2005, 12:35 AM
Anyone else think Lana/Kristin is the Worst Cryer/Actor on the Show?

Crispin Glover
10-14-2005, 12:37 AM
Are you kidding me. She did an amazing job when Clark died. I really felt her pain. It was like she couldn't breath and her intestines were coming out when she almost collapsed in the hall. The worst is the character of Martha Kent. I don't even really care about the character being on the show.

Reign
10-14-2005, 12:38 AM
Annette O'toole is an excellent actor...

Tom Welling's the worse, in my book

prometheus04
10-14-2005, 12:41 AM
wait she was crying:confused:

HotRodTE
10-14-2005, 12:42 AM
Tom is a good actor but not the best cryer

Ok ok I'll give it to you that Kristin is a good cryer.

but as far as acting skill come on

prometheus04
10-14-2005, 12:44 AM
Dude you flip-floped on your own POST

svsabbiesv
10-14-2005, 12:45 AM
i think martha could have cried a little bit more but i guess didnt really give her time when all of a sudden clark is missing lol

Ultron
10-14-2005, 12:53 AM
I thought Lana's show of emotions was just fine - I totally had to fight off tears when she saw Clark alive. I think she's an incredible actress.

prometheus04
10-14-2005, 12:55 AM
I'm sure all hospital announce they've lost someone so everyone can hear it.

Sharingan
10-14-2005, 12:59 AM
give it a rest guys... when something bad happens, people sometimes don't even cry at that moment.. or even just leave a few tears and put it on hold because of the initial shock.

BlueNRed2
10-14-2005, 01:00 AM
Actually, ive been impressed with KK's performances so far this season. I think she did a great job in this episode.

Lexgirl33
10-14-2005, 01:01 AM
KK is good at crying i think, its in every episode so she has to be good at it by now :lol:

denthamc12
10-14-2005, 01:22 AM
i felt like the episode could of done a better job at the whole clark is dean scene. i thought it would be more emotional, more dramatic. tats how i would want it, i mean we havent seen tat in a while in smallville. but it was still a great scene when lana aws comming out of the hostipal dragging a long the walls. i thought tat was very emotional. bye.

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 01:24 AM
She did GREAT on the crying job! What are you talking about! She's the BEST cryer on Smallville, it's Chloe that didn't look like she could cry!

SmvilleTeacher
10-14-2005, 09:16 AM
KK does great in expressing her feeling with her facial expressions and I felt her angst in the hospital and her complete joy in seeing him alive. And TW was awesome showing Clark's inner tormoil. You can't blame Tom for not being a great cryer. They never let Clark cry when you wish he would.

BeldarofRemulak
10-14-2005, 09:26 AM
Lana/kk crying wasn't that bad. Its probably hard for actors to cry on cue..but AM is definitely the best cryer on the show..probably since she used to cry in every single episode!

lilo
10-14-2005, 09:39 AM
I thought Martha was the worst. AoT is a good actress but I did not buy her crying one bit in that scene. It was almost laughable. And yeah, I agree AM is the best cryer on the show.

HotRodTE
10-14-2005, 03:24 PM
What i ment by worst Cryer. is that MOST of rhe time not all but most of the time when she cries its over the top.

Kreukie
10-14-2005, 04:35 PM
I thought Kristin's crying was just fine. I was just hoping for more, like right when Clark died for her scream out "Nooooo!" and then run to his side.

But that's just me nitpicking. :p

\S/Fanatic
10-14-2005, 04:50 PM
kristin, allison and annette did an awesome job in their crying and acting i know that annette could have done it better (it's in her) and Tom is by far the most creative and believable actor on television in my opinion

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 05:12 PM
lol, Martha kent, is the worst cryer. Her crying sounded like a dying cat.

binkys711
10-14-2005, 05:17 PM
I think they all did a great job, but more was AM and KK it must be really hard to cry on set like that and they did a great job, and KK cried a long time which is even harder! I think she did an incredible job! I like her acting. I really felt it!:\

jOEL_EL
10-14-2005, 05:26 PM
Lana was a great cryer and i bet a great... well, you'd have to ask Clark. But I bet!

(sorry. i tried but i couldn't. resist that is.)

:rotfl:

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 05:27 PM
lol, both Lana AND Clark looked content in their morning after scene!

binkys711
10-14-2005, 05:40 PM
yes , they did!:D:D:D:p

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 05:42 PM
Lana was all "Hi."

And Clark was like "Hey babeh."

binkys711
10-14-2005, 05:44 PM
jejeje^^^^

Lana:"That was the best night sleep I had in weeks"

I bet it was Lana, I bet it was.....;):lol:

jOEL_EL
10-14-2005, 06:00 PM
oh yeah, it must be friday.

shirkie
10-14-2005, 06:49 PM
How can Annette be considered a worse crier than K "yes, I'd like some more glycerine please" K? Annette has been in the industry for decades. Might I remind all of you of the ridiculous "crying" KK did in "Tempest"? I watched that, and I watched "Hidden." I see improvement, but not much. AM is the show's best crier, and KK is the show's worst.
shirkie

ClarksGirl21
10-14-2005, 06:49 PM
omg! I really taken by Kristin in this scene! I thought she did an amazing job! It made me cry along with her, it was excellent! And also, when she saw Clark again at his house was awesome. It really made me think about how much of inprovement she's made since season 1. In my opinion, she did a wonderful job. I really believed she was losing the love of her life, and there was nothing she could do but watch. Some of Kristin's best work.
- and I soo did not believe Martha's cry.. it totally sucked even though I think Antenne is a great actress.. her performance definately lacked.

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 06:52 PM
Kristin is DEFINATELY the best cryer. Annette may have been in the industry longer, but apparently she didn't spend much time learning to cry on cue. It was horrible.

BeldarofRemulak
10-14-2005, 07:59 PM
I still think Chloe has Kirstin beat in the crying department. Especially in Fever.. her tears are real

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 08:01 PM
I guess some of us will never agree.

cotton candy girl
10-14-2005, 08:14 PM
I don't care what Kristin/ Lana does, someone will always think she's the worst at it. She's bad at dragging her leg. I mean, if she died, I bet someone would say she was the worst dier [sic] on Smallville.

BTW, she did a great job crying.

Kreukie
10-14-2005, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I mean, if she died, I bet someone would say she was the worst dier [sic] on Smallville.

Brilliant! :rotfl:

Prunk1121
10-14-2005, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Sharingan
give it a rest guys... when something bad happens, people sometimes don't even cry at that moment.. or even just leave a few tears and put it on hold because of the initial shock.


I agree, its happened to me

BeepBeep
10-14-2005, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
How can Annette be considered a worse crier than K "yes, I'd like some more glycerine please" K? Annette has been in the industry for decades. Might I remind all of you of the ridiculous "crying" KK did in "Tempest"? I watched that, and I watched "Hidden." I see improvement, but not much. AM is the show's best crier, and KK is the show's worst.
shirkie

Wow. How does the fact that she used glycerine once way back in season one have any bearing whatsover on how she performs in crying scenes in S5? The question was not "who was the best crier in season one?" It is no different than using TW's brutal line readings from the very first episode against him if somebody poses the question "who is the best/worst actor?"

As for my personal opinion, I think all three actresses do a great job do a great job in crying scenes. That being said, I think AOT is hands down the best actress, but I didn't "feel" her crying scene in Hidden. It conjured the mental image of a vacuum cleaner.

TW is the only male actor who has been given a chance to try to cry and I thought he did a poor job at it.

ingy271
10-14-2005, 08:37 PM
As much as I like the Martha Kent character Annette O'Toole's crying is iffy - comes off as cross between hiccupping and choking.

jOEL_EL
10-14-2005, 09:04 PM
Hey. Hey c'mon everyone. These are my friends we're talkin 'bout. I mean, TW lives not more than 50 or 60 miles from me, so yeah, friends. Ok, not, but Okemos, MI is about 50 miles away!

"Hidden" had everything in it! They all did a GREAT job at cryin', liein', diein', flyin', savin', killin' and in the end, huggin' and smilin'. Sort of...

Anyways, it's getting late. I'm sitting here by myself. Reading all this conflict, listening to Disappearing World and Angels & Devils, and like, damn...

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

*runs out of thread cryin'*


Edit: Um, j/k ya know!! I mean, you Do know that. Right? :rotfl:

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 09:06 PM
Hidden was amazing, I just wish that they wouldn't make us rely on an upcoming episode to fill in the gaps that are missing in the episode we've already seen.

jOEL_EL
10-14-2005, 09:07 PM
agree

KalLover07
10-14-2005, 09:15 PM
I will be so bold as to say thr only thing Kristin is good at is crying. And how can anyone diss Annette? I think she was more in shock than anything.
In another site someone said Kristin can only do 3 things.
1)Smiling
2)Not smiling
3)Crying

All in all I still like Kristin. She is the best at crying. She just lets it flow. I couldn't cry on cue. How do you make so many emotions surface?

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 09:16 PM
lol, maybe she pokes herself in the eye?

jOEL_EL
10-14-2005, 09:17 PM
Yeah KalLover07 , they're amazing. You're absolutely right about Annette too.

rosewolfe87
10-14-2005, 09:23 PM
I still don't think Annette can cry. don't get me wrong, she's an AMAZING actress. But it doesn't look like she can cry. And Tom and Kristin have INCREDIBLE chemistry. I've never seen 2 people have better chemistry.

Kal'sGirl
10-14-2005, 09:42 PM
Annette/Martha wasn't crying she was hyperventillating which seems a normal reaction for a mother to have when her only child has just died. It was a wonderful acting choice to make I think.

rx7g3n3s1s
10-14-2005, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by rosewolfe87
I still don't think Annette can cry. don't get me wrong, she's an AMAZING actress. But it doesn't look like she can cry. And Tom and Kristin have INCREDIBLE chemistry. I've never seen 2 people have better chemistry.
yea too bad tom's married, and i saw kristin kreuk with some guy like a month ago, dunno about that

shirkie
10-14-2005, 11:41 PM
Wow. How does the fact that she used glycerine once way back in season one have any bearing whatsover on how she performs in crying scenes in S5? The question was not "who was the best crier in season one?"Actually, BeepBeep, the title of the thread is "LANA THE WORST CRYER ON SMALLVILLE"-- Where's the part in the thread title about just Season 5 only?
It is no different than using TW's brutal line readings from the very first episode against him if somebody poses the question "who is the best/worst actor?"Tom has actually improved a lot over the past four seasons, and whether the same can be said for KK is up for much debate.
And Tom and Kristin have INCREDIBLE chemistry. I've never seen 2 people have better chemistry.These kind of quotes always make me do a double-take. You've NEVER seen two people have better chemistry than TW and KK? Really? Out of all Hollywood's actors throughout the decades, out of the vast plethora of Oscar-winning films and Emmy-winning TV shows, out of all performers on Broadway, you've NEVER seen two actors with better chemistry than two people on this four-season-long show on the WB? Wow. Just wow.
shirkie

BeepBeep
10-15-2005, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by shirkie
Actually, [b]BeepBeep, the title of the thread is "LANA THE WORST CRYER ON SMALLVILLE"-- Where's the part in the thread title about just Season 5 only?

The intial post (and therefore what the thread is about) is "Anyone else think Lana/Kristin is the Worst Cryer/Actor on the Show?" Keyword: is. Therefore, the question being posed in the thread is who, at this point, is the worst crier.


Tom has actually improved a lot over the past four seasons, and whether the same can be said for KK is up for much debate.

I think Tom has regressed significantly since S3, but that is besides the point. If KK has not improved over the span of the series, you should have no trouble using recent examples to prove your point instead of bringing up a crutch she no longer uses nor needs (for several years, I might add).

CK&CK
10-15-2005, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by rosewolfe87
I still don't think Annette can cry. don't get me wrong, she's an AMAZING actress. But it doesn't look like she can cry. And Tom and Kristin have INCREDIBLE chemistry. I've never seen 2 people have better chemistry.

To me, they have chemistry....but it's not always there.....sometimes it's just flat....and it's definitely not always INCREDIBLE......although I will admit there have been moments where that is true....but they are only moments.

Kontradiction
10-15-2005, 12:48 PM
At least Lana's crying was done better than Martha's high pitched gasps.

cotton candy girl
10-15-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Kontradiction
At least Lana's crying was done better than Martha's high pitched gasps.

:lol:

jOEL_EL
10-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Annette/Martha wasn't crying she was hyperventillating which seems a normal reaction for a mother to have when her only child has just died. It was a wonderful acting choice to make I think.

Bravo! You nailed it!

cotton candy girl
10-15-2005, 01:10 PM
Back to Lana, she did a good job. She can't win for losing with some people. Geez.

Kinda reminds me of the President, but I won't go there.

jOEL_EL
10-15-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
...You've NEVER seen two people have better chemistry than TW and KK? Really? Out of all Hollywood's actors throughout the decades, out of the vast plethora of Oscar-winning films and Emmy-winning TV shows, out of all performers on Broadway, you've NEVER seen two actors with better chemistry than two people on this four-season-long show on the WB? Wow. Just wow.
shirkie

Very well spoken but can you give a specific example or two? I mean, what comes to my mind right away is Buffy-Angel. Even though the shows are very different, their ship has the same soulful, timeless, almost other- worldly basis as that between Lana & Clark. Although darker and more one-sided, the Spike-Drusilla ship shared some of these qualities, but was more from Spikes point of view. From real life I think of Paul & Linda McCartney. Kinda weird to say, but I'd say my own parents are like that somewhat - you know, you couldn't imagine one w/o the other 'cause their souls are so much "one" - well, actually more Jonathan/Martha-like 'cause their passion has sublimed into something less tangible and perhaps therefore even more real. My theory is that that's the true starting point - it's just that it would be nice to not take a whole lifetime to get there like for most couples, if ever. Why? Because I think there are worlds to be explored, powers to be realized, miracles to be performed here & now. But to get access to whats inside that makes all that possible requires love. Thats the key that unlocks doors & gives access to powers that will change this whole frickin world. That it takes real and true love makes sense. It's a fail-safe mechanism. 'Cause if you could run supersonic or fly outside of this requirement, outside of love, well, we would've gone extinct a long time ago. As it is, there's still no gaurantee that our species will survive, but if it does, love and compassion will be instrumental in ushering in a new epoch where the expression of awesome and amazing powers will set the world right - by those who find the super man in themselves and aren't afraid to exercise their powers for the good of all. It's possible, imo.

cotton candy girl
10-15-2005, 01:56 PM
Tom and Kristin's chemistry is AMAZING! You feel like they're a real couple. People don't have to agree, but it's there. Tom even said it.

jOEL_EL
10-15-2005, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Back to Lana, she did a good job. She can't win for losing with some people. Geez.

Kinda reminds me of the President, but I won't go there.

Totally agree with what you've said about Lana and the Clana ship.

Normally anyone who defends W would start a firestorm, but somehow I'm just thinking: "No, I aint goin' there because her innocence is... touching and priceless! Awww..." :)

Edit: Not that W's heart isn't in the right place. Just who's surrounding and influencing him that I object to I geuss. Ok. Over & out on all that. ;)

shirkie
10-15-2005, 04:16 PM
We're going to have to disagree on the point of the thread, I guess, BeepBeep, because I look at the big picture-- all five seasons-- rather than a blip. And what I see is consistently less-than-stellar performing from KK over the course of five seasons that has improved marginally as of late. And while you may believe the glycerine trick was only utilized in "Tempest," I think that was merely the most OBVIOUS use of glycerine... The one they went overboard on rather than just the only time they used it.

I didn't buy KK's crying in "Hidden" at all, and I do think Annette's crying in "Hidden" was much less convincing than her usual performances-- but OVERALL, over the COURSE of the show, Annette's crying FAR surpasses KK's... As does AM's. AM is probably the most consistently excellent crier on "Smallville." Just watching her in "Scare" and "Fever" and "Vortex" (yes, eek, I'm hearkening back to Season 2!) makes me feel confident in that statement.

As for chemistry between KK and TW, I'm not going to say there's *no* chemistry there. They do have their moments when their chemistry is quite good, and they do have their moments when their chemistry is flat. My problem is when people make statements like "I have never seen two people with more chemistry than KK and TW." It just seems like a strange thing to say when you think about all pairings of actors from the 1920s through now (if we're talking film/TV only) or throughout history through now (if we're talking live plays) and how fantastic some of the couplings were.

Someone asked for a concrete example... What about the beautifully choreographed and acted love scene in "Ghost" between Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore? That chemistry sizzled far beyond anything we're seen on "Smallville," IMHO.

I guess my point is that TW and KK are a mere blip in Hollywood's history, so perhaps we shouldn't be too eager to completely idolize -- or villainize, in my case ;) -- them.
shirkie

Black & White
10-15-2005, 04:28 PM
I wouln't have said it better!!I agree with you Shirkie, they've got "chemistry" but nothing out of normal chemistry in TV or Films...Annette acts very well when she cries...or Allison Mack too.
IMO the performance of Kristin was very credible and she interpreted well the scene. In addition she (Lana) was not only crying, the poor girl was in a shock state.

thehenry89
10-15-2005, 04:33 PM
ya kk is the worst crier on the show and is it just me or does she never speak in a normal tone of voice. she's always whispering even when she's outside, and as for the comment about tw and kk having the best chemistry anyones ever seen one word PUH-LEASE if you need examples i'll give them. spencer tracy and katherine hepburn, cary grant and eva st.john lauren becall and humphry bogart tom cruise and rennee zelweger etc.....

CK&CK
10-15-2005, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by thehenry89
ya kk is the worst crier on the show and is it just me or does she never speak in a normal tone of voice. she's always whispering even when she's outside, and as for the comment about tw and kk having the best chemistry anyones ever seen one word PUH-LEASE if you need examples i'll give them. spencer tracy and katherine hepburn, cary grant and eva st.john lauren becall and humphry bogart tom cruise and rennee zelweger etc.....

I have to agree about the chemistry. People have their favorites and get caught up in the moment...so caught up that they think it's the best ever.

Humphrey Bogart & Lauren Bacall (two Hollywood LEGENDS)....Oh Yeah baby! "To Have & Have Not".....they were smoldering.....they actually fell in love on screen.....and I'm talking about real life....not the movies.....so yeah, no comparison between Bogey/Bacall & Tom/Kristin......not in the same ballpark......not even on the same God damn planet.

BeepBeep
10-15-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
And while you may believe the glycerine trick was only utilized in "Tempest," I think that was merely the most OBVIOUS use of glycerine... The one they went overboard on rather than just the only time they used it.

Can I ask what episodes you think she used glycerine in apart from Tempest?

CK&CK
10-15-2005, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Back to Lana, she did a good job. She can't win for losing with some people. Geez.

Kinda reminds me of the President, but I won't go there.

If her acting was truly in league with Glover, Rosenbaum, Tom, or Allison, I think you would still find people trying to nit pick at something....but there would definitely be a significant drop in the number of people pointing out her short commings. Take Glover for example....He is so awesome, that even when he falters slightly, like he did in Transference, people don't go on and on about it....why.....because his over all body of work is "consistent" and is that good. He would have to really be terrible for him to get the same response. And even if he did, it would most likely be religated to bad feedback on just that one episode.

Now, as much as I hate to admit it, KK has improved, but the writting is not helping her any. Yet, even so...you still have to try to deliver the goods week in and week out. See to me....you can't just have a great performance and be called a great actress ....or even deliver great performances just here and there. In the end, it's the body of work that will do that for you, and if it's consistently great.....then your will be referred to as great. But the fact that so many point out her weaknesses (even taking Lana Haters out of the equation), does say something. This is my view on it.

tripleh
10-16-2005, 04:21 PM
I really felt as she did awsome. I was having to fight to hold back myself, but then I usually do watching Clana because the end will come :(

rosewolfe87
10-16-2005, 04:22 PM
I agree. She did an EXCELLENT job. Kristom has amazing chemistry.

Kal'sGirl
10-16-2005, 04:29 PM
Kristom? can we keep it to Clana? Blurring reality and actor/character distinctions isn't fun.

rosewolfe87
10-16-2005, 04:32 PM
It's fun for me. It's not Clana that makes the chemistry. It's the actors. Kristom.

Shadow09
10-16-2005, 07:15 PM
I gotta say Lana's crying after Clark had died wasn't all that convincing in my opinion... but you could feel her pain earlier in that scene

Alicia Baker
10-16-2005, 08:11 PM
^^I didn't feel anything, I just felt sorry for him xDDDD

cotton candy girl
10-16-2005, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Kristom? can we keep it to Clana? Blurring reality and actor/character distinctions isn't fun.

Actually, you CAN say that Kristin and Tom have great chemistry. Actually, when I read Tom comment on it, he said "Kristin" and he have great chemistry, not "Lana" and he. That's not blurring reality with character distinctions, in and of itself.

shirkie
10-17-2005, 10:44 PM
I think Kal's Girl meant blurring as far as acronyms go... I've never heard anyone use an acronym like KrisTom before, so that threw me off a bit too, makes me think of Clana and Chlark and all that, and those are like fan-approved character loveships, so seeing "KrisTom" is kinda squidgy.

And BeepBeep, I get the feeling every time KK has cried onscreen, she's using glycerine. That's why I'm not naming any other specific scenes. It just feels forced when she cries. Kind of like when we saw TW cry... It just feels forced.
shirkie

BeepBeep
10-18-2005, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by shirkie
And BeepBeep, I get the feeling every time KK has cried onscreen, she's using glycerine. That's why I'm not naming any other specific scenes. It just feels forced when she cries. Kind of like when we saw TW cry... It just feels forced.
shirkie

Even in, say, Legacy, when the camera doesn't move from her face and she goes from dry-eyed to tears pouring down her face?

I am most likely misreading your final two sentences, but the impression I got from them is that you are equating a poorly done or forced crying performance with using a substance on the actor's face. Despite my numerous reservations about his acting ability in general and the feeling that his crying scene was forced, I don't believe that TW used glycerine during the scene, so I am confused as to whether you think that (a) TW used glycerine or (b) both actors give "forced" performances when crying, but KK uses glycerine while TW doesn't.

RedPhoenix23
10-18-2005, 01:59 AM
I just gotta say I disagree, I thought Kristen was a wonderful cryer, she had me crying! And knew he wasn't dead! I've always thought she was a good cryer, even in season 1.

But that's just my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own. To each is own and all that.

scoobycookies
10-18-2005, 04:11 AM
I also don't find KK believable in her crying scenes. She has a tendency to overplay making the performance forced. It comes off as being telegraphed rather than natural - like "ok at this point I will scrunch up the face" and "at this point I will cry". I've always thought that I would like the Lana character alot more if it were played by a different actress.

MartaDolo
10-18-2005, 05:17 AM
I'm surprised to hear all these comments about AoT gasping and wheezing--that's ALL KK does these days! She used to be very flat in her performances, but as scoobycookies said, now she overplays everything. She always starts gasping, hyperventilating, and widening her eyes in order to convey most of Lana's emotions.

Anyways, she's still vastly improved when compared to her S1 crying. What ep was it when she heard that Whitney's dad had a heart attack, and then "burst" into tears? It was really bad, and at the time I felt bad for KK.

Also, she used glycerine in Rush, when she caught Chloe and Clark kissing and heard that Clark had told Chloe "everything".

Skydiver
10-18-2005, 05:54 AM
Cry, whine, that is what Lana does best!

peanutbutter
10-18-2005, 11:54 AM
In some episodes she does cry well, and in others she doesn't.


I looked up glycerine since I didn't know what it was exactly and found out she is using something that can be added to solutions of water and soap to increase that solution's ability to generate soap bubbles that will last a long time and used in fog machine fluids

twelfthnight1
10-18-2005, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Crispin Glover
Are you kidding me. She did an amazing job when Clark died. I really felt her pain. It was like she couldn't breath and her intestines were coming out when she almost collapsed in the hall.

I agree. I thought she did an awesome job in "Hidden". I think she's had good crying scenes too. I always think of "Legacy" when she's crying over Clark and Lex tries to help her through it. I liked how she cried there, with the tearings falling, but not really crying-crying. It was the right choice. But for "Hidden", it was all tears and it was great. The whole eppy was, *g*. But I thought when Kristin broke down after they called Clark's time-of-death, was when she cried best. She just crumbled. Why would people think she can't cry?

cotton candy girl
10-18-2005, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by twelfthnight1
Why would people think she can't cry?

Trust me, I don't think people are being objective. They hate Lana, and some won't even give her props for the good job she did crying. She did a good job; I think people just see through the glasses they want to see through.

shirkie
10-18-2005, 08:57 PM
Um, "Lana" can't do a "good job crying," so no, I won't "give her props." Let's not confuse KK with Lana or TW with Clark.

BeepBeep, I'll have to go back and check scenes where she actually cries in a continuous camera shot. The only shots I can remember are where we see scrunched up face, dry... Then camera cuts away to something else... Then cuts back to a tear-stained face. That's what I'm thinking of. And I never meant to say TW uses glycerine... I have no idea whether he does or not; you're right that when I referred to him, I was referring to the general look on his face and acting.
shirkie

thehenry89
10-18-2005, 09:43 PM
i'm the first to give an actor props for good work. I think at times all the actors on smallville have their good and bad moments. For example i loved kk in crisis becuase she is a good dier. I think that sometimes AM and ED tend to overact but overall they are good actors. Tw in season 1 was like watching a train reck terrible but at the same time you couldn't look away because he was so hot. but now he's become one of the best on the show. So yes she did a really bad job crying last week but that's just one episode. don't get me wrong i'm the first to jump on the clana bashing band wagon but when all the jokings aside kk is a fairly decent actress who deseves her due props for having to put up with such an emotionally challeged charachter like lana for such a long span of time.

CK&CK
10-19-2005, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Trust me, I don't think people are being objective. They hate Lana, and some won't even give her props for the good job she did crying. She did a good job; I think people just see through the glasses they want to see through.

Maybe some are being objective, and maybe some are not. But they can't obviously all be grouped into that one category. And if people are looking through self imposed glasses or blinders, it naturally applies to a number of individuals on both sides of this issue.


Originally posted by scoobycookies
I also don't find KK believable in her crying scenes. She has a tendency to overplay making the performance forced. It comes off as being telegraphed rather than natural - like "ok at this point I will scrunch up the face" and "at this point I will cry". I've always thought that I would like the Lana character alot more if it were played by a different actress.

This is exactly the problem that I have with a number of her performances. I had actually described it as pushing it too far to the extreme, and keeping it there. "Overplay" is a good way to also describe it. It's funny that you mention scrunching up the face....cause I totally thought that about the hospital scene. The thing I couldn't figure out originally was why it should bother me so much.....yeah, I'm not a big KK fan....but still........I know that people actually get like that when the're torn up emotionally like she was supposed to have been. After some thought, the conclusion for me was that I really think it's because she pushes it too far and keeps it there. Take the Kents for example....with them it was the opposite.....they were in shock....yeah.....but something didn't work with their performances either. Not that they or Lana were terrible......just that for me it was.....ehhh. The best moment for me was when Martha exhaled a deep breath just before they saw Lana...and it was the way that she exhaled that deep breath........That Worked For Me! Sometimes less IS FAR MORE.

I to have also wondered how Lana would have faired in my eyes if played by another actress.....say a younger Erica Durrance? Before KK's version, Lana was always my favorite in Supes mythology, now, I can't wait for it to move on. But then, if Erica (who is how I have always pictured Lana ) had been Lana, it would've probably been much harder to let go of the Clark/Lana........but as it is now, I honestly can't wait for the rift that is Lexanna. I am actually really intrigued by it now.



Originally posted by MartaDolo
I'm surprised to hear all these comments about AoT gasping and wheezing--that's ALL KK does these days! She used to be very flat in her performances, but as scoobycookies said, now she overplays everything. She always starts gasping, hyperventilating, and widening her eyes in order to convey most of Lana's emotions.

Anyways, she's still vastly improved when compared to her S1 crying. What ep was it when she heard that Whitney's dad had a heart attack, and then "burst" into tears? It was really bad, and at the time I felt bad for KK.

Also, she used glycerine in Rush, when she caught Chloe and Clark kissing and heard that Clark had told Chloe "everything".

Yeah, the hyperventilating, and widening of her eyes.....I've always noticed that to. Not that all actors don't have that technique in their acting arsenal, but KK just seems to depend on it way too much. I don't know any other way to put it. That's the way I see it.....at least through my eyes. I think her weakness is not so much the conveying of raw emotion (she does that okay), but the deepness of it through subtle actions. Speaking of eyes, a perfect example of this was Tom in the final scene. Just before Chloe asks about how the scar is healing, He turns his head away from her....and we see him (from a side view) close his eyes for a moment and then open them again....the way he did it said volumes.......that was powerful in the most subtle of ways. He has really come a long way.

snowblizzard
10-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by HotRodTE
Anyone else think Lana/Kristin is the Worst Cryer/Actor on the Show?

No,I think she;s the best actress in Smallville. Maybe that's why she's the only one with Tom Welling that have landed movie parts, and lead part I might add. Did anyone ever notice Michael R. in Christine Ricci's latest movie "CURSED". he has hair but a very small part and his name doesn't appear anywhere.
You're wrong Kristi Kruek is a very good actress.
If you don't realize this, like real producers have, and have complimanted her and cast her in movies, than I'm sorry I don't think you know much about acting....You only look at different things in movies, definatelly not acting..

shirkie
10-19-2005, 06:56 PM
Are you comparing KK's resume to MR's and erroneously claiming she's "the only one [besides] Tom Welling that [has] landed movie parts?

Let's see, MR's filmography... Looks like Michael's been in 6 movies since "Smallville" (14 movies total), starred in 1 TV show (starred in 3 total), and had 30 TV show appearances (most since "Smallville"). KK has been in 2 movies total, 1 other series besides "Smallville" (before "Smallville"), 2 made-for-TV movies, and 7 TV show appearances.

Check your facts.

cotton candy girl
10-19-2005, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
Um, "Lana" can't do a "good job crying," so no, I won't "give her props." Let's not confuse KK with Lana or TW with Clark.


Shirkie right, let's not get confused. I said what I meant. I said Lana, and I meant Lana. The thread says Lana. :)

EDIT: I'm talking about the character.

snowblizzard
10-19-2005, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
Are you comparing KK's resume to MR's and erroneously claiming she's "the only one [besides] Tom Welling that [has] landed movie parts?

Let's see, MR's filmography... Looks like Michael's been in 6 movies since "Smallville" (14 movies total), starred in 1 TV show (starred in 3 total), and had 30 TV show appearances (most since "Smallville"). KK has been in 2 movies total, 1 other series besides "Smallville" (before "Smallville"), 2 made-for-TV movies, and 7 TV show appearances.

Check your facts.

Well, I have neen in a few movies as an extra. One of them "The Pyx" with Karen Black. It was filmed in Montreal and "A Child Under A Leaf" with Dyan Cannaon.... My name wasn't to be seen anywhere. A small part. That's what he has had so far, not leads.
Also prove where his name is in the credits. I have the DVD of "CURSED".
Even Erica Durance has a small part in this scary movie and her name however is listed in the credits.
Listen, there's actors and there's acting. Fan popularity only for today, while tomorrow you could be at the bottom of the Pyramid.
Not just because you like a comic character and the person who plays that part means he/she is a good actor. Don't tell me the guy who played HULK was a good actor?
Neither was Arnold S. (The Terminator). It was all the movie. Anything else you would like to know because I believe your knowledge of acting ability is limited....

Well, good night guys and gals. Everyone is a good actor. They are all young and are just learning.
We have also killed everyone in Smallville trying to find out who is the one to die for Clark's desobedience.....
Tomorrow is another day and we'll talk again after the new Episode "Aqua" I'm happy for the young man they selected to play Aquaman. He seems a real nice person. I wish him luck......
Cheers..

shirkie
10-19-2005, 11:00 PM
Wait... So... Now... Michael Rosenbaum has never been a lead in anything ever because you don't seem to think his name was in "Cursed?" Erm, you do realize he had roles in "Racing Stripes," "Poolhall Junkies," "Bringing Down the House," "Sweet November," "Urban Legend," "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil..." I don't even know how to respond to this ridiculous conversation because your facts are so amazingly off.

I guess I have no room to talk about anything related to acting, though, because I was never an extra in a Canadian movie in 1973 and 1974. And to you, apparently, your "small part" in these movies is equivalent to what MR did in each of his 14 of his movies-- "a small part... not leads."

Go skedaddle off to any filmography site and see for yourself the difference in resumes between MR and KK.

Until someone says something of substance that's not hilariously false, I'm out of this conversation.
shirkie

CK&CK
10-19-2005, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by snowblizzard
Well, I have neen in a few movies as an extra. One of them "The Pyx" with Karen Black. It was filmed in Montreal and "A Child Under A Leaf" with Dyan Cannaon.... My name wasn't to be seen anywhere. A small part. That's what he has had so far, not leads.
Also prove where his name is in the credits. I have the DVD of "CURSED".
Even Erica Durance has a small part in this scary movie and her name however is listed in the credits.
Listen, there's actors and there's acting. Fan popularity only for today, while tomorrow you could be at the bottom of the Pyramid.
Not just because you like a comic character and the person who plays that part means he/she is a good actor. Don't tell me the guy who played HULK was a good actor?
Neither was Arnold S. (The Terminator). It was all the movie. Anything else you would like to know because I believe your knowledge of acting ability is limited....

Well, good night guys and gals. Everyone is a good actor. They are all young and are just learning.
We have also killed everyone in Smallville trying to find out who is the one to die for Clark's desobedience.....
Tomorrow is another day and we'll talk again after the new Episode "Aqua" I'm happy for the young man they selected to play Aquaman. He seems a real nice person. I wish him luck......
Cheers..

Snowblizzard, I hope to not get into any arguments, but bringing up Michael Rosenbaum's film resume as a comparison to KK's was not a good idea. There is no doubt about which one of these two is the better actor. You might as well compare KK's performances to that of "The Magnificent Bastard"..... John Glover (the only actor who I believe surpasses Rosenbaum on this show).

Being in a major movie doesn't necessarily prove anything other than the producers like you or your very popular.......or even both. We've all seen many actors try to go from the small screen to the big screen, and only a very few go on to have great success (Bruce Willis & Pierce Brosnan are the ones that come instanly to mind). Some actors have actually left shows only to find that their talents didn't transend to the big screen ( that blonde girl from Cheers, David Duchovy from X-files, and there was one other from some cop show that quit and went nowhere in feature films....then he eventually went back to that cop show but it was too late...damn....I wish I could remember the name of the show because it was a classic example...NYPD BLUE I think?).
What KK makes of it we have yet to see......but I venture to say that if it's a feature movie she'll most likely push herself to do her very best. Yet, it might have been better to wait for it to come out before going on about her as an actress simply because she's in this film. If maybe she had a bigger track record with respect to Major Motion Pictures, I could probably see your theory as having more validity than it actually does at the moment.

P.S. I've just seen a preview clip with Michael Rosenbaum as Lex talking to a restrained Aquaman.....and all I can say is that Mikey's proving my point......Wow! He is awesome.....Yes...Lex may yet surpass his father as far as being truly evil.

BeepBeep
10-19-2005, 11:45 PM
CK&CK, I think you are talking about David Caruso.

CK&CK
10-19-2005, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by BeepBeep
CK&CK, I think you are talking about David Caruso.

Many Thanks BeepBeep.....that I was.....and it was driving me nuts not being able to remember his name.

snowblizzard
10-20-2005, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by CK&CK
Snowblizzard, I hope to not get into any arguments, but bringing up Michael Rosenbaum's film resume as a comparison to KK's was not a good idea. There is no doubt about which one of these two is the better actor. You might as well compare KK's performances to that of "The Magnificent Bastard"..... John Glover (the only actor who I believe surpasses Rosenbaum on this show).

Being in a major movie doesn't necessarily prove anything other than the producers like you or your very popular.......or even both. We've all seen many actors try to go from the small screen to the big screen, and only a very few go on to have great success (Bruce Willis & Pierce Brosnan are the ones that come instanly to mind). Some actors have actually left shows only to find that their talents didn't transend to the big screen ( that blonde girl from Cheers, David Duchovy from X-files, and there was one other from some cop show that quit and went nowhere in feature films....then he eventually went back to that cop show but it was too late...damn....I wish I could remember the name of the show because it was a classic example...NYPD BLUE I think?).
What KK makes of it we have yet to see......but I venture to say that if it's a feature movie she'll most likely push herself to do her very best. Yet, it might have been better to wait for it to come out before going on about her as an actress simply because she's in this film. If maybe she had a bigger track record with respect to Major Motion Pictures, I could probably see your theory as having more validity than it actually does at the moment.

P.S. I've just seen a preview clip with Michael Rosenbaum as Lex talking to a restrained Aquaman.....and all I can say is that Mikey's proving my point......Wow! He is awesome.....Yes...Lex may yet surpass his father as far as being truly evil.

Obviously it's fruitless to get in an arguement of words with you but, I'm sorry but you're out on left field when you're talking about acting....sorry man..

CK&CK
10-20-2005, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by snowblizzard
Obviously it's fruitless to get in an arguement of words with you but, I'm sorry but you're out on left field when you're talking about acting....sorry man..


Out in Left Field?.....at least I know what Planet I'm on. You're really out there....or at least some of your views seem to be......Man (shakes head in disbelief)......still can't believe you used Michael Rosenbaum as an example in trying to prove your theory......man that's really out there..... did I say really out there? Yeah........out there like from Pluto.

Ultron
10-20-2005, 05:39 AM
Chill you two. :p

Personally I think KK and MR are both great actors - I don't see what the fuss is about.

Mystikacorp
10-20-2005, 06:28 AM
HotRodTE I agree with you, I was waiting more from Lana, The man that she loves was in the hospital and she saw him die and just she cries without scream or more expressions?. Chloe screamed and she cried until the end and Lana only wasn't expressed better, I Love Tom Welling and in my point sight he is an excellent actor; because if he is Clark is Clark and if he makes another character like in the case of Lionel, I don't see to Clark I see to Lionel, He is excellent, although In this season Clark is very selfish, twice he leaves Chloe and He didn't worries to see like she was.

I prefer Chloe, lex and Lionel; but I want that return the old clark, like very very good friend; because this attitude that he has confirms me all I was thinking. when he was with Chloe (few episodes) he was always happy, with Lana only he is hurt.

I never like the character of Lana because She didn't contribute a lot, but in the 4th season She did stand out and I did think that in this season she would be better. What person would fight with the person that help her to hide a murder? Just Lana

snowblizzard
10-20-2005, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by CK&CK
Out in Left Field?.....at least I know what Planet I'm on. You're really out there....or at least some of your views seem to be......Man (shakes head in disbelief)......still can't believe you used Michael Rosenbaum as an example in trying to prove your theory......man that's really out there..... did I say really out there? Yeah........out there like from Pluto.

My Friend,
"To lack wisdom is no disgrace;
To lack the desire for wisdom , is a pity;
But, to desire Wisdom and not know how to find it, is a tragety"
PLATO

shirkie
10-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Dude, snowblizzard, CK&CK just laid out a good argument to you, and your response is to just say "Obviously it's fruitless to get in an arguement of words with you but, I'm sorry but you're out on left field when you're talking about acting....sorry man." Being an extra in a couple of movies back in the early 1970s does NOT give you the right to just utterly dismiss someone's well-written response with a one-line "well, you just don't know anything" comment. And then to quote PLATO? Ugh.

Do you have any OBJECTIVE FACTS (other than "I was an extra and therefore know more than anyone else here about the complex and rich field of acting") regarding why you believe KK is a stronger actor than MR, or even any reason whatsoever to claim MR "has never had any leads"? You failed to answer my post detailing just some of the stuff MR has been in, instead just reverting to the "I was an extra, therefore, you're wrong" argument. Do your homework before posting, please, especially if you're going to randomly dismiss counter-arguments by people like me and CK&CK.
shirkie

snowblizzard
10-20-2005, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
Dude, snowblizzard, CK&CK just laid out a good argument to you, and your response is to just say "Obviously it's fruitless to get in an arguement of words with you but, I'm sorry but you're out on left field when you're talking about acting....sorry man." Being an extra in a couple of movies back in the early 1970s does NOT give you the right to just utterly dismiss someone's well-written response with a one-line "well, you just don't know anything" comment. And then to quote PLATO? Ugh.

Do you have any OBJECTIVE FACTS (other than "I was an extra and therefore know more than anyone else here about the complex and rich field of acting") regarding why you believe KK is a stronger actor than MR, or even any reason whatsoever to claim MR "has never had any leads"? You failed to answer my post detailing just some of the stuff MR has been in, instead just reverting to the "I was an extra, therefore, you're wrong" argument. Do your homework before posting, please, especially if you're going to randomly dismiss counter-arguments by people like me and CK&CK.
shirkie

Well dude,
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but after watching "AQUA" tonight I believe everything I have written on my threads are turning to be correct. About Chloe's dress code, Lana's dress code, The writers placing us on a one way street and the next episode we find ourselfs on a newly named 2 way street. About "No more Sectrets, No more Lies", I believe I mentioned this 2 weeks before even one of the leads of the show Kristi Kruek did. About the bullet hole, why Clark being afraid Lana might see the scar. What scar? Tonights episode he went in the water, and the bandage is as large, as one you place when you get cut shaving. When the bandage comes off there won't even be a scar.
This was Episode 5 of Season 5 and two important statements, one by Lana from last year...."Somehow I know this was meant for you..." amd in the first Episode this year, a line by Clark in the hospital to Lana..."No more Secrets, No more lies".
I think the producers have totally forgotten they even had these lines written.
About, the artifacts and their importance, trip to China, Lana killing someone WITH the stone CAUSING the second Meteor shower....would you like me to go on fellow?
Tonight was a good episode and how I saw it, especially at the end that it's the beginning of Clark falling in love with Lois Lane.
Hey dudes, be objective and learn something. Don't always argue and make stupid entries like "Shelbie the dog is going to die" and so forth. Com on we are all writing on this site at least be a little more mature about your ways.....

shirkie
10-21-2005, 05:55 PM
What does your last post have to do with your earlier claim that MR has not ever had a lead in a movie and that KK has had soooooo much movie and TV work since "Smallville" and that she is going to take Hollywood by storm? And what does "Aqua" have to do with your claims that KK is the best actor on the show? KK didn't even DO anything in "Aqua..." I am so confused right now.

And I'm a dudette, by the way.
shirkie

snowblizzard
10-21-2005, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by shirkie


And I'm a dudette, by the way.
shirkie

dudette? Don't be confused..please, there's nothing to be confused about..

charmedchick
10-22-2005, 09:01 PM
Well i am not a fan on lana the character but i am a fan of kristin the actress. I dont know how kristin crys But lana on the other hand.. Not a good cryer..

snowblizzard
10-22-2005, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by shirkie
Dude, snowblizzard, CK&CK just laid out a good argument to you, and your response is to just say "Obviously it's fruitless to get in an arguement of words with you but, I'm sorry but you're out on left field when you're talking about acting....sorry man." Being an extra in a couple of movies back in the early 1970s does NOT give you the right to just utterly dismiss someone's well-written response with a one-line "well, you just don't know anything" comment. And then to quote PLATO? Ugh.

Do you have any OBJECTIVE FACTS (other than "I was an extra and therefore know more than anyone else here about the complex and rich field of acting") regarding why you believe KK is a stronger actor than MR, or even any reason whatsoever to claim MR "has never had any leads"? You failed to answer my post detailing just some of the stuff MR has been in, instead just reverting to the "I was an extra, therefore, you're wrong" argument. Do your homework before posting, please, especially if you're going to randomly dismiss counter-arguments by people like me and CK&CK.
shirkie

Actually I have a few friends who are actors, maybe not huge household names but never the less they have been succesfull in getting acting jobs in Hollywood. I have visited them numerous times with my wife, since we used to go to the same High School.
Namely: John Kapelos..."Deep End Of The Ocean"
Kiefer Sutherland, who my nephew, who is also his lawyer, introduced me to a few years ago in his home town of Toronto, ON Canada.
Gillian Anderson is another from Vancouver.
Ted Danson, Joseph Campannela, Stuart Wittman, and my mother has been the private dressmaker for Dyan Cannon;
My niece and her Law firm represent the past Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chrettien.
Drew Berrymore I have met and I get e-mails sometimes from her. I was in Boston last year during the world series when the Red Sox won the World Series and Drew was filming this baseball movie right in the baseball field during the game.
Hockey players? My next door neighbour is Jason Williams of the Red Wings, I know Brendan Shanahan since he was 14 years old. Chris Chelios has visited me numerous times, my son is the same age as his son, and have played numerous times against each other. London Knights against Little Ceasar in tournaments. Through Chris I have met also John Cusack and Joe Dante, who are very close friends with Chris Chelios. I was also invited to his wedding years ago in Montreal, since are heratige is the same, Greek. Jennifer Aniston I know quite well, she's also Greek, born in1969 in Greece and her Godfather was Telly Savalas. I have been to her place about 10 years ago before she got married to Brad Pitt. Another is Tom Hanks, who was baptised Greek Orthodox in order to marry his Greek wife.
When Jason Arnott is in town he phones me and a nephew of mine and we go out. Glann Murray of Boston, when my nephew attanted Harvard used to leave hockey tickets at all Bruins games. All these rich sport celebrities I was surprised to see spend hours and hours playing Play Station, and they make millions. I know Joe Thornton, Martin Lapointe was a childhood friend of my nephew and I used to coack them when they were 11 years old..
Anything else guy? Besides that everything written in this forum is just personal opinions. I just don't like when people make silly ones, (maybe they are just kids acting as adults, because some of their remarks are really for 12 year olds). That's my only beef, besides that I love people expressing their opinions even if I disagree or they disagree with my opinions.
I'll be flying to Montreal in a few day, and maybe I can write in the forum from my Laptop. I'll try to get my nephew and nieces interest on the site and the forum.
Listen, don't take it that because I know these people that I'm saying I'm an expert. They're not even experts. I'm just trying to explain to you, we are all human and we all have different opinions and it's fun writing them down and getting reaction from different people and hearing their opinions.

shirkie
10-22-2005, 10:09 PM
OK........................... So somehow you know every celebrity under the sun. THAT STILL DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY YOU MADE THE ERRONEOUS CLAIM THAT MICHAEL ROSENBAUM HAS NEVER HAD A LEAD IN A MOVIE. It doesn't matter if your son is Orson Welles and your mother is Meryl Streep if you can't even realize that Michael Rosenbaum has more movies to his name than KK. Having celebrity relatives does not make you immune to making easily disprovable errors regarding actors' resumes.

AND I AM A GIRL, for the second time, not a guy.

In short, MR = 12 movies, KK = 2 movies EVER. 12 > 2. How in the world you think he's NEVER HAD A LEAD IN A MOVIE EVER is absolutely beyond me.

And by the way, if Kiefer Sutherland really is your nephew, I hate you, because I saw him one time at a Lifehouse concert and said hi to him before I about fainted with delight. :)
shirkie

snowblizzard
10-23-2005, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by shirkie
OK........................... So somehow you know every celebrity under the sun. THAT STILL DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY YOU MADE THE ERRONEOUS CLAIM THAT MICHAEL ROSENBAUM HAS NEVER HAD A LEAD IN A MOVIE. It doesn't matter if your son is Orson Welles and your mother is Meryl Streep if you can't even realize that Michael Rosenbaum has more movies to his name than KK. Having celebrity relatives does not make you immune to making easily disprovable errors regarding actors' resumes.

AND I AM A GIRL, for the second time, not a guy.

In short, MR = 12 movies, KK = 2 movies EVER. 12 > 2. How in the world you think he's NEVER HAD A LEAD IN A MOVIE EVER is absolutely beyond me.

And by the way, if Kiefer Sutherland really is your nephew, I hate you, because I saw him one time at a Lifehouse concert and said hi to him before I about fainted with delight. :)
shirkie

Oh boy, I don't believe this. Who cares whether this guy Michael R has played anywhere besides a small part in Cursed? If he has played the lead in a movie, please, please enlighten me. He's a one dimensional actor and after Smallville I don't think you'll see him in any big budget movies. Just, maybe little parts here and there. Tom Welling has the lead in the "The Fog" by John Carpenter and he's negotiating for more movies. Kristin Kreuk, even though in reality I'm not really much of a fan, has the lead in the upcoming movie "Partition" and the director of that movie had nothing but great words for her acting ability.
Now, again, enlighten me and mention just one movie where this guy MR has played a lead in a movie for the theatre in 2:35 ratio or 1:85 ratio on a big screen.
About Kiefer Sutherland I believe you have misread my thread. Read it again, and see what I write. Please, don't make this personal. That's childish...

I'll make a prediction to you today, October 23 and we are still in 2005. When the Academy awards come around in March of 2006, and withought knowing so early the nominations for any category, I'll predict that CHARLIZE THERON will win her second Academy Ward for this movie coming out in theatres next Friday....

thehenry89
10-23-2005, 09:28 PM
i shook tom cruises hand once in a resturant :)

shirkie
10-24-2005, 06:39 PM
snowblizzard you're the one who brought up Michael Rosenbaum and compared his resume to KK's. You, not me. So don't act surprised that I'm finishing what you started.

You want examples of big parts MR's had, not "bit parts"? "Sorority Boys," second-billed. "Poolhall Junkies," fourth-billed. Bing, I'm done.

I'm talking quantitative differences between the two. If you compare the side-by-side resumes of MR and KK, and this is what you seemed to have wanted to do umpteen posts ago when you said MR has never done anything of importance besides "Smallville," MR's resume is a lot longer than KK's.

As for Kiefer Sutherland, I misread what you wrote and was writing I was insanely jealous that he's your nephew. Nothing to get offended by, I was attempting to say that I love the dude.
shirkie

smallville_fetish
10-26-2005, 06:38 PM
okay i didnt read all that stuff up there but back to the orginal post that lana is the worst cryer. if youre refering to KK then um some little words that sum up my response to your critical critique: EASIER SAID THEN DONE. pretty sure they had more than one take of her crying. i mean its not easy when youre on a set forced to cry so many times in front of so many people and then clear up for the next scene or see what else needs editing and fixing from the directors that tell you how you should feel and then recry and all that. okay so shes an actress and thats part of her job but this isnt a movie where you get so many chances and takes to revise again and again for weeks. i bet this scene really is big and supposely dramatic (which it is) but not like theres other scenes they needed to focus on given their deadline and being a one hour regular weekly show.

i think she did a great job. of course you could always say she couldve collapse onto the floor or grabbed onto clark a little longer but dont you think the directors thought of that? maybe she did and they decided not to go with it cuz it was too much or it didnt have time or wouldve been weird when she got up again to ruse to clark when he disappeared (i didnt agree with that scene of everyone being there but anyway) for sure theres probably a lot of takes from this crying scene. again, i think KK did an awesome job, her and her charecter brought something old (like her crying) but new to the screen, a side we've tasted. it was the real lana. its much easier to just critisize and have negative imputs as if you can do it better yourself than it is to simply appreciate. she was good. enough said.

shirkie
10-27-2005, 09:53 AM
I'm not saying I could do a better job than KK at crying. I'm also not a paid lead on "Smallville," so no one expects me to be able to. Some of us expect a higher caliber of acting than what we're seeing from her, although she is improving as time goes by.

I really hate the "if you can't do it better, then shush" argument.
shirkie

smallville_fetish
10-27-2005, 02:07 PM
yeah i know i cant compare you to her. and you do have the rights to your opinion based on the actors/actresses' performances. i myself usually have high expectations but given her past scenes and lack of chances she actually got to prove herself (or maybe she had but we never caught it) i agree she has improved and hopefully continue to get better and bring forth more to the show this season. what im dissappointed by is that we finally get to see her A game and improvements but people are continuely bashing on her. i just hope as the season progresses people will give her more credit.

unless the thirst episode really is as horrible as it looks and goes down the drain along with 'ageless' then um.. i'll be even more disappointed/..

shirkie
10-30-2005, 01:14 AM
I actually thought KK was decednt in "Thirst." She's a lot better at playing like alterna-Lana than regular Lana... She was better as Nicodemus!Lana, Isobel, and DracuLana than at regular Lana. Must be more fun to play a badass!
shirkie

SuperDub2
11-17-2005, 03:55 PM
she was the worst crier ever!

allison89
11-26-2005, 02:08 PM
I thought it was good. Not spectacular or anything, but it wasn't awful. I went back and watched Extinction and she cried the same way when she thought Clark was shot by Van, so at least it's consistent.

Laguine
11-26-2005, 06:12 PM
KK did a good job. I was crying with her all the time. SHE made me cry. And she made me cry a lot! The way she act was really good. I didn't expect more from her. I rewatch 5 times Clark death scene and each time I had tears...

smallville_fetish
12-04-2005, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by allison89
I thought it was good. Not spectacular or anything, but it wasn't awful. I went back and watched Extinction and she cried the same way when she thought Clark was shot by Van, so at least it's consistent.

Well people tend to cry the same way like how they laugh the same way and probably talk the same way? Yeah I think so if I'm not mistaken because I sure do and so do a vast amount of majority...

Basically it narrows down to you and if you were emotionally moved by KK's performances.. if you were then her job was done well and hit the right spot. If you weren't moved, then she doesn't care. If it was good enough for all those big people up there writing the script, working the camera and directing, then it's good enough for me too.

photogirl
12-08-2005, 04:28 PM
I think she looked totally freaky, when she freaked out. Of course if I was her I would have cried too. But she looked scary. I hope that in the deleted scenes for the 5th season Lana does her whole speech to clark in the hospital room and he turns to her and says "Chloe?" hahaha!!

Tomsgurl88
01-06-2006, 08:32 AM
Come on give her a break, she did a good job. It look like Kristen was playing as Lana being in a more state of shock.



I think she looked totally freaky, when she freaked out. Of course if I was her I would have cried too. But she looked scary. I hope that in the deleted scenes for the 5th season Lana does her whole speech to clark in the hospital room and he turns to her and says "Chloe?" hahaha!!

That would of been funny! :rotfl:

LusciousLois
06-04-2006, 05:07 PM
The character of Lana is irritating as hell but, Kristin Kreuk is an amazing actress!

HotRodTE
06-06-2006, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by shirkie
. AM is the show's best crier, and KK is the show's worst.
shirkie

i Agree with you. When Kristen cries its too over the top

Krypton935
06-08-2006, 12:31 PM
I don't really like the character of Lana on the show, but I think she did a really good job at the"crying for dead Clark scene"I really actually felt her pain. Oh well though I guess we all can't be perfect so let up on her a little.

OMG I just stood up for KK:eek:

Fly by guy
06-09-2006, 06:30 PM
I thought her hospital scene and her Clark reunion scenes were very well done.

ClarkSupportsOrganic
06-13-2006, 10:53 PM
I actually think she does pretty good bringing in the crocodile tears. She's had tons of practice. ;)

clana is hot
04-06-2007, 09:06 PM
I think KK did a really good job on her crying.

smallvillian141
06-23-2007, 06:04 PM
no way!
She has done a great job! She makes the crying realistic! and her acting is amazing too!
Big props to KK

smallvillelover93
06-20-2008, 02:32 PM
shes always cryin... borin

goldylocks_k
08-14-2008, 01:27 PM
Yeah she cries too much, but it's well acted crying!

ClanaClois
02-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Your kidding me with this question right? KK and AM are the best actresses on this show when it comes to dropping the tears. Sarah Carter and ED are the only other actresses in the series that can drop the tears believably but still not in the same legue as KK and AM.

Oh and off on a rabit trail... Clark holding Lana a good foot and a half off the ground in that embrace is the most amazing display of their chemistry

Justin Murad
02-05-2009, 02:27 PM
KK was awesome in this episode. Actually I barely kept myself from dropping tears while she was crying. :D

smallvillian141
02-11-2009, 11:18 AM
and especially in Reqium, I think that was KK's best crying performance. Beautifully done.
TW did an amazing job as well, the chemistry between the two is unbelievable and I think they did an amazing job in Reqium :)
made me cry a bit... :rolleyes:

Hopefulsuicide
02-11-2009, 11:21 AM
i thought KK's crying when you thought she had miscarried was brilliant and showed her acting strengths

it's quite sad really, because it's not KK that i dislike, but Lana/Clana... i mean i LOVED relic, and that was an episode in which KK and TW played out a different version of basically the same star crossed lovers story... except that it was better!

Bre723
02-13-2009, 12:22 AM
I think she is great.
Requiem is proof of that.

disciples of zod
02-13-2009, 06:45 PM
i think it would be hard to "cry". everyone on the show does a good job!

~H

miks
02-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Gonna have to disagree. I don't really like Lana but she is one of the best criers on this show. Love Clark (sometimes) but he's the worst crier! He looks really constipated. My sister and I were just talking about this the other day. Clark does sad and depressed soooo very well but when it's time to cry it's just pathetic. And Tom is a pretty good actor.

Fat Elvis 007
02-13-2009, 07:41 PM
Gonna have to disagree with the title of this post. I think crying is one of the things Kristen Kruek does very well. She's not my favorite actress--that whispery voice she puts on is pretty creepy sometimes--but maybe that has more to do with the writing and the direction she is given. Plus, we have known for quite some time that she often resents the material she is given, so I find it hard to judge her acting at all based on her performance as Lana.

I do agree with the posters who have said TW is a terrible crier...but mostly because it's so rare for him to produce an actual tear. My mom and I call him a robot or Tin Man during those scenes, lol.

Jedimaster_TTBaby
02-15-2009, 04:22 PM
Gonna have to disagree. I don't really like Lana but she is one of the best criers on this show. Love Clark (sometimes) but he's the worst crier! He looks really constipated. My sister and I were just talking about this the other day. Clark does sad and depressed soooo very well but when it's time to cry it's just pathetic. And Tom is a pretty good actor.

LOL, yeah i agree.

Lana's crying scenes are usually very good, the only problem is that she has too many of them...but yeah Clark looks really constipated when he cries, he put sooo much effort into it.