My Jor-El theory

[smallvillerox05]

Did anyone else see the similarities between Hidden and in the comics, after Superman died? In the comics, the Eradicator sacraficed himself to revive and empower Clark/Superman after his death. In Hidden, Jor-El did. With Brainiac coming later in the season, Jor-El is more expendable then we all thought he was. I think he's gone, a father making the supreme sacrafice for his son. When he said that someone Clark loved must die to save him, he was talking about himself. After all, it wasn't until after this that Lionel was completely restored in character. Had Jor-El temporarily abandoned Lionel's body, he should have been re-"Waldenized".

Besides, the "return by sunset" deal was instantaneous. If Jor-El wanted Jonathan or Chloe or Lana to die to save Clark, then Jonathan or Chloe or Lana would have already died.

As to why Jor-El would sacrafice himself now instead of when he knows Clark will be more mature, he didn't have a choice. Clark getting his life and powers back any other way would be like Supergirl or Steel bringing Clark/Superman back to life and loading him with solar energy after he died in the comics.

If Jor-El had any choice at all, he would take the other choice so he could still prepare Clark for Brainiac. But if Clark can learn the Krypton language so quickly, maybe Jor-El prepared Clark in some way as he gave him his powers and life. After all, with Brainiac coming to town, Clark might not trust the info at the FOS.

I was partly inspired to believe this theory by the story of The Death Of Superman and how the Eradicator sacraficed himself to empower Superman. I'd been thinking about it for a while, but just now am getting around to posting it: The act of Clark jumping onto the missle and saving his hometown is a perfect homage to Superboy saving Metropolis from a cruise missle in the very same story that Superman died in and the Eradicator sacraficed himself for him. So having Clark save Smallville from a missle the same way Superboy did puts even more confidence in my mind that TPTB were so inspired by The Death Of Superman (of course they were, Clark died ;)) that not only did they kill Clark, but they brought him back in a very similar way.

For a more detailed account of Superman's death and resurrection, click here! (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=comics-sfaq#Q15)

[Hydra]

Great minds think alike. But I beat ya to it. lol. I posted this same idea on a couple other threads already.

[smallvillerox05]

Actually, I beat you!!!

Just posted mine on a different board first. :lol: ;)

[GatorTex]

That would be a nice twist to have Jor-El be the sacrifice (life for a life). I'm hoping this is the case instead of killing off a main character risking a ratings hit!

[Hydra]

Ahhh... but I beat you here and that's all that matters.

[Nazmul]

I agree with you 100% Smallvillerox05

[Crispin Glover]

Who cares who posted first. I think you are all wrong. Chloe or Jonathan will die. I could go with Jonathan because of the comics, but I could go with Chloe because she isn't in Clark/Superman's future.

[smallvillerox05]

Ahhh... but I beat you here and that's all that matters.

True, you beat me here. But I didn't even read your post until after I copied and pasted. :lol:

Anyway, that's just about enough of a pointless conversation, don't you think?

I agree with you 100%.
Yeah I thought it made sense. :)


Who cares who posted first. I think you are all wrong. Chloe or Jonathan will die. I could go with Jonathan because of the comics, but I could go with Chloe because she isn't in Clark/Superman's future.
See, that makes no sense to me. How could Jor-El stealing Jonathan's or Chloe's HUMAN life force do any good with Clark's KRYPTONIAN biology?

[Hydra]

Yeah that confused me as well.

Why would Clark's restoration depend on someone he knows? If that was the case why didn't Jor-El pick some bum off the street who was doomed anyways? Or someone who deserved to die?

[smallvillerox05]

Good point Hydra.

[chexlex]

Easy way out for the writers if they want: Lana gets pregnant and has a miscarriage.

[Hydra]

HEY! Now THERE'S something they haven't done before!

*cough*season2*cough*

[smallvillerox05]

HEY! Now THERE'S something they haven't done before!

*cough*season2*cough*
I was thinking the exact same thing. If it weren't for the 30 second rule I'd have probably beat you this time. :p

*shakes fist at rule*

[Ultron]

I don't think Jor-El is going to be the one sacrificed. I think it's going to be Johnathon, actually, homage to Superman 1 and pre-Crisis Superman probably.

[KarrEl22]

i dont think any1 will die

[rosewolfe87]

Eh, I don't think it's Jor-el. 1.) Clark doesn't love him, 2.) He said that he hopes that Clark will call him Father soon. Why would he care if he was going to die?

[smallvillerox05]

1. Clark doesn't love him, yet, but he can when he realizes the sacrafice Jor-El made.

2. Jor-El hopes Clark will refer to him as being his father in the past tense i.e. "Jor-El was my father."

[Jun]

Originally posted by rosewolfe87
Eh, I don't think it's Jor-el. 1.) Clark doesn't love him, 2.) He said that he hopes that Clark will call him Father soon. Why would he care if he was going to die?

You typed it out my exact thoughts so all I have to do is quote. :)

Chloe or clarks father are top 2 choices in my opinion, however I honestly don't believe either of them will be killed off anytime soon.


Originally posted by smallvillerox05
1. Clark doesn't love him, yet, but he can when he realizes the sacrafice Jor-El made.

2. Jor-El hopes Clark will refer to him as being his father in the past tense i.e. "Jor-El was my father."

Your reaching imo.

[smallvillerox05]

Your reaching imo.
Wouldn't be the first or the last time. :p

Personally, I think it's more reaching to think that somehow Jonathan or Chloe (a human life force) can save a Kryptonian's life. Not to mention when Jor-El does something (like the removing of Clark's powers in Arrival) it's instantaneous. Chloe or Jonathan should be dead at the end of Hidden if Jor-El was to sacrafice one of them.

[Maine_Of_Steel]

I really don't think it'll be Jor-El that gets offed. It wouldn't lead Clark into his "Darket Hour," as he's told by Jor-El, plus someone has to be around to finish training Clark this season. It's been stated on web sites that the SV team and Supes return team are working together to make sure they don't confuse anyone with the release of the upcoming movie and this season. It won't be Jor-El, KILL LANA!!!! PLEASE!!!!!

[runningwithscissors]

jor-el is already dead!

plus clark needs jor-el to continue his training.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Maine_Of_Steel
I really don't think it'll be Jor-El that gets offed. It wouldn't lead Clark into his "Darket Hour," as he's told by Jor-El, plus someone has to be around to finish training Clark this season. It's been stated on web sites that the SV team and Supes return team are working together to make sure they don't confuse anyone with the release of the upcoming movie and this season. It won't be Jor-El, KILL LANA!!!! PLEASE!!!!!

I agree Kill Lana please!! Its only for Clark's good..he wont have to worry about telling her his secret and then he could be with Chloe :)

Anyways I think that Clark needs Jor-EL to annoy him and teach him how to become Superman.

BTW runningwithscissors, I love your Avatar! KOTOR rules!

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

Maybe I Posted before someone else, maybe not -
Posted around midnight PST
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1521272#post1521272

And on the Lana Miscarriage idea.
I think it will be Lex that gets her pregnant.

[Nazmul]

When Jor El hugged Clarke, if I am not mistaken, I saw some kind of transferrence of power. And later we saw that Jor El is no longer inside Lionel. And I believe since was going for good, he said, "I love you my son."

[DGreen]

Originally posted by Maine_Of_Steel
It's been stated on web sites that the SV team and Supes return team are working together to make sure they don't confuse anyone with the release of the upcoming movie and this season. It won't be Jor-El


good point.

also, i think that white light was them being transported from the fortress to the caves, how else would lionel have gotten back to smallvile so quickly

[Yuui]

Originally posted by Ultron
I don't think Jor-El is going to be the one sacrificed. I think it's going to be Johnathon, actually, homage to Superman 1 and pre-Crisis Superman probably.

My thoughts from another's hands.


Originally posted by Nazmul
When Jor El hugged Clarke, if I am not mistaken, I saw some kind of transferrence of power. And later we saw that Jor El is no longer inside Lionel. And I believe since was going for good, he said, "I love you my son."

Another possibility.

However, if this is the case, then Clark obviously misunderstood Jor-El's words as he feared for Lana's life because of Jor-El's threat.

[Alphacooler]

Re-Watch the episode.

Jor-El will die.

After he hugs Clark there is a flash and "transfer" of his lifeforce (this is visible). Then Jor-El says "always know that i love you".

I think that is pretty good evidence right there.

k

[finchy4]

i never considered jor-el to be the one, but the whole i love you thing kind of weirded me out. i thought john glover spoke with a different accent when he was playing jor-el, and that accent was still there when he was talking with lex later, maybe he's sticking around!!

[DGreen]

Originally posted by Alphacooler
Re-Watch the episode.

Jor-El will die.

After he hugs Clark there is a flash and "transfer" of his lifeforce (this is visible). Then Jor-El says "always know that i love you".

I think that is pretty good evidence right there.

k

not really. i think that the light was them being transported from the fos to the caves. how else would lionel have gotten back to smallville. also, and i've said all of this earlier, but i don't think anyone actually reads the previous threads, he can't die. jor-el is in the new movie and smallville's creators met with the director to make sure nothing their doing conflicts with the movie. jor-el dying definitely conflicts with it.

[smallvillerox05]

I really don't think it'll be Jor-El that gets offed. It wouldn't lead Clark into his "Darket Hour,"
Of Jor-El isn't there to protect Clark anymore, then it could really be Clark's "darkest hour".

It won't be Jor-El, KILL LANA!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
I hate to tell you, but Jor-El dying is much more likely than Lana dying.

When Jor El hugged Clarke, if I am not mistaken, I saw some kind of transferrence of power. And later we saw that Jor El is no longer inside Lionel. And I believe since was going for good, he said, "I love you my son."
Exactly.

[warriorrenegade]

I keep flip-flopping on this. One day I think its going to be Jonathan the next its Chloe. You make a good case. Now I believe its Jor-EL who bites it.

[chrismen]

chloe and jonathan both will have to die before the end of the show. well chloe actually just has to disapear and not be mentioned again, kinda like peet before two weeks ago. :) I really hope it will not be Chloe this time. Remember Pa Kent had that whole thing with his heart due to Jor-el and he does die in Superman I. My bet is on him.

[Kal'sGirl]

Jor-el is already dead, it's his collective consciousness that is within Lionel.

And a human life and kryptonian life are the smae b/c on krypton there are no miraculous superpowers and superpowers don't make your spirit any better.

here's to hoping (it's not gonna happen)--Perhaps Clark and Professor Fine get to be wonderfully awesome friends and the Braniac Clark battles is Fine's kryptonian form. thus he destroys someone he's come to care about (like how well he and Jason were getting along b4 the Jana fiasco)

[spideyfan]

Great theory m8...Its probably the best way it can go down. JOr-El's sacrifice (now twice) is to be a burden on CK, is for CK to learn from his past mistakes...

He CANT put his humanity before the lives of others, and he must realize this. He is Superman, whether he likes it or not, he a is a world leader, and when it comes down to it, in the DCU he is a God!

[smallvillerox05]

jor-el is already dead!

plus clark needs jor-el to continue his training.
I'd like to point out the humor of Jor-El already dying, yet Clark needs someone who apparently already died. :lol:

Jor-el is already dead, it's his collective consciousness that is within Lionel.
When I said that Jor-El sacraficed himself, I meant he sacraficed all of the energies and life forces that made up his collective consciousness. Not a body.

And a human life and kryptonian life are the smae b/c on krypton there are no miraculous superpowers and superpowers don't make your spirit any better.
So, theoretically, Jor-El could steal Lana's life force from her, give it to Clark, and he would be revived with her life force as a normal human, without superpowers.

So, how does Clark get all of his abilities (and more ;)) back since a mortal's life force (that has no such abilities built into the biology of it) can't restore them?

I was partly inspired to believe this theory by the story of The Death Of Superman and how the Eradicator sacraficed himself to empower Superman. I'd been thinking about it for a while, but just now am getting around to posting it: The act of Clark jumping onto the missle and saving his hometown is a perfect homage to Superboy saving Metropolis from a cruise missle in the very same story that Superman died in and the Eradicator sacraficed himself for him. So having Clark save Smallville from a missle the same way Superboy did puts even more confidence in my mind that TPTB were so inspired by The Death Of Superman (of course they were, Clark died ;)) that not only did they kill Clark, but they brought him back in a very similar way.

[KryptonianIdiot]

Hmm...interesting theory. I have to think on this.

[blastcaps]

Well i remember a while ago there was something mentioned on Kryptonsite that John Schneider was trying to get people to rally behind his character as if he was going to be killed off. It makes sense for it to be Pa-Kent because he has served his purpose, rasing Clark. Now it is time for Clark to embrace his destiny and upload all the info about Krypton and becoming Superman at the FOS. Johnathan is only a hinderance to Jor-el at this point. If we go by the first 2 movies than Clark would have spent some time in the FOS downloading information and emerge as Superman.If pa-Kent dies then Clark will be without a father figure, he will most likley blame himself for his death because he disobeyed Jor-El, and maybe out of fear for something else happening or someone else getting killed he will listen to Jor-El from now on.

The beam of light after the hug was Jor-El transporting himself and Clark back to the cave and then Clark ran on to disarm the nuke while Jor-El as Lionel went to the mansion. Jor-El cannot die because he is already dead and there would be no one to train him to become Superman and defeat Braniac. If it was Jor-El that had died Clark would most likley have known and there would be no reason for the writters to make him all depressed about someone he loves dying at the episodes end.

It makes the most sense, it fits with the first two movies, Producers do not want to confuse Smallville with Superman Returns in which there is no Johnathan Kent to my knowledge. There is really only room for one daddy.

[smallvillerox05]

Jor-El cannot die because he is already dead
His body is dead, but if he was COMPLETELY dead then how has he been communicating with Clark and doing other hijinks all these years? I'm talking about him sacraficing his entire range of AI. Just clarifying what I meant.

there would be no one to train him to become Superman and defeat Braniac.
That could make it exciting.

If it was Jor-El that had died Clark would most likley have known and there would be no reason for the writters to make him all depressed about someone he loves dying at the episodes end
Clark IS THE BDA. ;) :lol:

[fattire]

Originally posted by smallvillerox05
Wouldn't be the first or the last time. :p

Personally, I think it's more reaching to think that somehow Jonathan or Chloe (a human life force) can save a Kryptonian's life. Not to mention when Jor-El does something (like the removing of Clark's powers in Arrival) it's instantaneous. Chloe or Jonathan should be dead at the end of Hidden if Jor-El was to sacrafice one of them.

the key word "will" in "will be exchanged"

who says this needs to be an instantaneous action?


Originally posted by Kal'sGirl
Jor-el is already dead, it's his collective consciousness that is within Lionel.

And a human life and kryptonian life are the smae b/c on krypton there are no miraculous superpowers and superpowers don't make your spirit any better.

here's to hoping (it's not gonna happen)--Perhaps Clark and Professor Fine get to be wonderfully awesome friends and the Braniac Clark battles is Fine's kryptonian form. thus he destroys someone he's come to care about (like how well he and Jason were getting along b4 the Jana fiasco)

thats not true - what about the guy that can see peoples deaths - and see's supermans in the stars? And what about when clark was in Lionel's body and having his spirit in his body transformed lionel? (which is more apparent than the theory of having jor-el silently influencing lionel when its never even mentioned in the show)

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

I think you are right about Jor-L dying I even make a post about that earlier if you looked at Lior-L when Clark asks who will be he makes a strange face when he says: "someone you love" like is hopeful thinking after all he just had said that he hopes that one day he will called him father I think that he means before before he dies. Also I don't think that if he really wants to be obeyed by him you think he will take away someone he loves? I think that will damaged Superman becuase it will make him a hero out of fear of his father instead of love for humanity. :(

[jaime,oburg]

Originally posted by Crispin Glover
Who cares who posted first. I think you are all wrong. Chloe or Jonathan will die. I could go with Jonathan because of the comics, but I could go with Chloe because she isn't in Clark/Superman's future.


Isn't Superman's future still being written. I am going with Pa Kent because (following the Supes movie) Clark's father dies and that is a big part of why Clark steps up to realize his destiny.
Plus I don't think Al & Miles could have even imagined how popular Chloe was going to be with the fans. She may die before SV ends (though I hope not). I don't think her time is up yet.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Alot of people are being very hopeful that a major character won't die. Maybe a lot of people keep thinking that Jor-El will sacrifice himself. I disagree. I am basing everything on Jor-El/Lionel stating "Your darkest days are ahead". This is forshadowing by TBTP telling the viewer that bad times are ahead for Clark. This is not going to be something that could help Clark, this is going to be something that will hurt Clark. I am not looking forward to this pain and sadness for Clark lightly. I am just saying I would stop thinking that Jor-El will sacrifice himself

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

I still think the "mechanism" that "transfers" this life energy from someone Clark loves into Clark has got to be Jor-El (who will probably suffer from the process as well). But given that Jor-El is (as many have pointed out) "Already dead", after a lot of consideration I'm thinking that Jonathan is the next logical candidate for death.

Jonathan has already been brain-dead and revived (Covenant-Crusade), has been given super-powers (Exile) and has been a "vessel" for Jor-El (Talisman). Jonathan also made conscious deals with Jor-El that we still don't know the details of(Covenant).
On top of that Jonathan has heart problems and seems to break a bone in one out of three episodes.

See: http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1535010#post1535010

On the other hand, Lionel has been in a krypto-coma (Commencement-Hidden), has been a vessel for Clark (Transference), Has been a vessel for Jor-El (Hidden). On top of that, Lionel used to have a fatal liver condition.

The setup is obvious that we (and Clark) are supposed to worry about these two dying. This could just be a red herring so that the person who DOES die is more of a surprise.

SPOILERS: (Highlight to see)
See "Spoilers Page":
New stuff from TV Guide's Ask Ausiello:
- Tensions between Clark and Braniac spike, culminating in an explosive fight (Maybe Clark learns to love Professor Fine?)
- Martha contracts a mysterious disease from the planet Krypton and is given hours to live (Maybe Martha takes a dirt nap?)

TWO major characters are rumored to die in Episode 100. Why not BOTH Jor-El and Jonathan? Or both Jonathan and Lionel?

Episode #5-12: 100th Episode Air Date: February 2006
- Executive Producer Alfred Gough revealed in TV Guide that the major character death of someone close to Clark (first teased in "Hidden") will occur in Episode #100. But, Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode. Let the speculation begin!