My theory on who is going to die

[Buzzhouse.com]

I do think it will be the season finale and I think it will be Lana.

Clark has to start to move toward Lois and can't really do it with Lana around, thus the character needs to go. Plus with Lois as his love interest she doesn't really have a good place on the show to fill.

My guess is that Lex will have something to do with her death which will futher create the divide between them.

That all said, it could be Pa Kent as well -- just because he kicked it in the movie and all, but I think that's a cheap way out for the writers and I don't see them taking it.

[Hydra]

And here's a little theory (which I'm not completely convinced about mind you) of my own which I just posted in the 'who's it gonna be' thread.


Chloe or Jonathan would be my immediate pick but I thought of something interesting.

Jor-El seemed to indicate that Clark's 'losing someone (which seems to imply death)' was somehow related to Clark getting his powers back. But if (for example) Chloe dies, what does that have to do with Clark's life force? Then I had this thought. What if Jor-El drained himself so much when he restored Clarks powers, that his time left on earth is limited, and he will be the one to die (Jor-El)? Could that be why Jor-El wanted Clark to always know he loved him?

Just something to add to the mix.

[Buzzhouse.com]

I see what you're saying but it was pretty clear it was someone "close to him". Jor El is already dead, he can't die again -- and let's be honest, they aren't really that close.

The show has three females now -- one of them has to go. Initially I would say Chloe but she's harmless. Lana's arc is done -- after this they are NEVER getting back together -- no more Clana. There's just no purpose to keep her around.

[Kadence]

I actually didn't even think about it being anyone other than Jor-El after the scene ended; I thought his line of "I love you", combined with the glow that surrounded them, meant that Jor-El had transferred his life force into his son.

I figured that was why he struggled to say "someone you love" and spoke it awkardly, because Clark doesn't neccessarily love him yet.

And there's the very important fact that in Superman II, it was originally scripted that Jor-El would have to sacrifice what remained of his "spirit" to give Superman his powers back after he had given them up. This wasn't placed in the final theatrical cut of the movie, but I think it's supposed to be in the mythical "Donner version". (also, Jor-El's spiritual death was their way of not having to put him in sequels, since Brando's paycheck was so large and the first two movies were filmed together in large part; his role was replaced by Lara)

Given how much Smallville writers seem to be taking cues from the movies this season, this make sense, since the storyline is exactly the same: Clark taking conscious actions that lead to him losing his powers. It would make sense for the resolution (Jor-El sacrificing his spirit to restore his son's powers) to be the same.

I see that most around here don't actually think this, so I'm beginning to question it. And the "entering your darkest hour" doesn't entirely mesh with Jor-El being the one that dies either.

Unless Jor-El will die later and is not already dead, and he thinks Clark will initially struggle without his guidance/help.


In any case, the first thing that came to my mind was the Lara would eventually come in to become Clark's guide in Smallville, the same way that she became his guide in the latter Superman movies after Jor-El's never-shown death. (And Lara also sacrificing herself to restore her son's health in Superman IV is implied in the scene where he uses the green crystal)

Lara entering the series would be a good payoff, and I think the writers probably like the idea as well, if that's what they're thinking about.

[Hydra]

Lana won't die. She never has in any of the comics. And trust me... if they could drag things out this painfully long... I'm sure they can do it for another two years after this season. Although hopefully she'll leave before then.

[Kadence]

Originally posted by Hydra
Lana won't die. She never has in any of the comics.
Actually, just to point it out...

(COMIC BOOK SPOILERS)

She did die in "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" Along with Jimmy Olsen, IIRC.

[Crispin Glover]

I don't know why anyone is talking about Jor-El's last remaining energy spirit dieing. Clark doesn't care, and then why would they ever show him go to the Fortress of Solitude. It would be dead air time. It will either be Jonathan Kent because of his death in other sources, or Chloe because she isn't in Clark/Superman's future and she was made up since the beginning. I think it is lucky she lasted this long, but I hope Jonathan dies because that will have a bigger impact on Clark. Chloe, Lex, and Clark are the best reasons to tune in. I love the new relationship between Chloe and Clark. It is as strong as Lois and Clark on a different level.

[Hydra]

Wasn't that a potential 'imaginary story' at the end of the pre crisis era?

[Kadence]

Originally posted by Hydra
Wasn't that a potential 'imaginary story' at the end of the pre crisis era?
Yes, but it's a comic book, and you said "she has never died in any of the comics" ;)

[Hydra]

lol.

Let me rephrase. She has never died in any of the official comics continuity, elseworlds and imaginary stories not included.

[mallory]

I'll bet any amount of money Lana does not die this year. Would mark the end of the show. And as others pointed out, Lana has not died in any other Superman continuity.

[Kal-El22]

It's going to be Jonathan.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by Kal-El22
It's going to be Jonathan.

Unfortunatly I agree.

[Cookie 28]

I think it's Chloe. And then Lois will want to become a journalist like her dead cousin. I don't like it, but that's my gut feeling.

[Switchback]

I'm not sure who it will be. I have ideas but each idea I have I can also say that it can't be that too. So I really don't know.

To me though, Johnathan seems like the most logical choice. I know he is in the scripts for future episodes and that his contract extends through all season 5. The thing about it though...Jor-el said that Clark was about to face his darkest hour...and that hinted to me as in he was talking about VERY near, immediate future.

So that leads me to wonder. Could it really be Chloe? I know she is very popular on the show...my favorite female character. But she and Clark share a big secret together and I for one would like to see those two together. But it's kinda like the Marshall Dillon and Miss Kitty relationship. As has been said many times before...Chloe is not in any of comic books or anything like that. So

[diabla9]

remember js was rallying fans to keep him on the show in the off season? he doesn't want to leave. my bf and i were thinking that maybe it will be lana, just because she didn't die in any other version doesn't mean tptb won't do it. maybe kk has other things she wants to pursue, it's pretty obvious that they are struggling with lana story lines too, they seem to get worse with every season! my guess is either lana or jor-el. i really hope it's not martha or chloe, i think jonathan will definatley stay.

[nothingwithoutchloe]

I don't see it being anyone other than Jonathan and I imagine it being towards the end of this season. I definately don't see them getting rid of Lana at all on Smallville, she is the lead female character on the show(although i like chloe's character better)and therefore can't go. Chloe's too important in my opinion to die on the show right now, if she were to go it wouldn't be until one of the final episodes of the show. Since this is suppose to be the 'Superman in training' season I just figured Jonathan would probably be going since from what I know about it, his death is one of the things that pushes him along to eventually become Superman.

[tntaylor]

Or maybe the producers will really thumb their nose at us and, just before the season ends, have Clark receive a phone call...

He puts down the phone, turns to his parents, and, voice a-tremble, says "Pete's dead."

At which point they would most likely give Clark a blank stare until they remembered who Pete was.

I'd end this with a couple of "Rolling Laugh" smilies, if the scenario weren't so tragically possible.

t!

[chrismalicdem05]

yeah my bet is alson on jonathon, i dunno if they could kill chloe with the great chemsitry between her and clark right now, their scenes are aweseom :)

[SuperTal]

I, too, believe it will be Jonathan probably in the Season 5 Finale, afterall, he does have the bad heart. Chloe, my favorite, draws too much ratings I believe.

[runningwithscissors]

Jonathon would be my first pick just because of the past story lines.

However, Chloe would have to be my close 2nd pick. Look at everyone who has found out Clark's secret? it's not necessarily a good thing being the person who knows and carries Clark's secret. Good things don't usually follow once you carry Clark's secret.

[FlashFan]

A thought occurred to me, the writers could do it in such a way that a char 'dies' then is revived.

[Brainiac_13]

The most likely option is JK just because of the fact that he 'usually' dies, but in the case of SV it would seem that TPTB favor the preservation of both Kents.

In the writers mini-doc on the S4 DVDs, they say that they really like Annette/John and, I forget the exact quote, they will likely last the whole season.

That kind of statement wouldn't rule out a death in the finale, though.

If the Kents are destined to live out the series, who else might die?

There are two generally feasible options and one not-so-feasible one:

1) Chloe will die. We all know that she has a black cloud over her head right now because? Anyone? :) She knows Clark's secret. This doesn't mean death per se, but it tends to mean "not long for this show".

2) A new character will be introduced to whom Clark will become very close, and then THEY will die, circumventing the whole death of a main character problem.

3) Lana will die. Regardless of the peristence of Lana in other major SM arcs, and aside from the fact that such a death would result in a Supercow being had, some sort of 'run around the world at top speed because I can't fly' situation, they could, if the wished, kill her off just to be maximally devastating all around and to clear the way for Lois later on, so in effect, 2 birds with one stone.

I am also not convinced that this death will occur at the finale, and I base this upon what Jor El said about Clark entering his darkest hour. Is Clark going to have to, along with us, 19 more episodes until this 'darkest hour' begins? That's going to be one depressing season. It seems more likely that this death will happen sooner than later so that it can shape Clark's character through the course of the season.

Perhaps it's a Lex/Brainiac-related death that becomes the motivation for Clark's opposition and the finale will involve some sort of revenge. That would be kewl.

Anyway we slice it: This is an exciting development that should be fun to track.

EDIT:

WHHHHOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA

FLASHBACK.

Cassandra told Clark that someone close to him would die. She died, and he/we assumed the prediction was about HER.

MAYBE
IT
WASN'T

Geez. I'm going to be so sad if I look around and see someone else already pointed this out. ;) Hehe.

Anyway: Somebody go back and watch that ep for clues.

[KastJF3000]

This is my opinion, Jonthan Kent is going to die. He is going to die at in the Season Finale, and then we are going to see CK go the fortress of solitude, the fortress is going to be the very last scene in the show. The ending will also show us something to prepare for the movie this summer, and if their is a sixth season clark will return from the fortress of solitude, after 3 monthes. Again this is just my opinion.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by KastJF3000
This is my opinion, Jonthan Kent is going to die. He is going to die at in the Season Finale, and then we are going to see CK go the fortress of solitude, the fortress is going to be the very last scene in the show. The ending will also show us something to prepare for the movie this summer, and if their is a sixth season clark will return from the fortress of solitude, after 3 monthes. Again this is just my opinion.

The Superman movie connects to the previous Superman continuity. I won't say that SV doesn't inform it in some way, but everything I have read about the plot thus far indicates that it's oriented around what would amount to a fairly distant (10-15 years, maybe 20) future for the CK of SV. It would, I must admit, be interesting to see an awareness of SV in the new film, but there are numerous temporal problems with that sort of connection given the degree of difference between the two realities. For instance, we observe Clark Kent's upbringing in Superman: The Movie. A few things were missing, like all his friends, his football career, his meeting of Lois Lane, meteor freaks, Lois Lane, sex with Lana, etc. ;)

EDIT: Lois Lane.

FAKE EDIT: Lois Lane.

It would make more sense to me to see Clark using the FOS this season, since they cliff-hung it LAST season. That would make there be an entire season gap between its creation and use. Plus, I'm not sure he's going to be able to handle Brainiac without some Kryptonian schooling.

The "3 months" time span is no longer important to SV since High School is no longer a factor. "3 months later" is an indication that we've moved from Prom in the Spring to the opening of the Fall semester. There is no real need to artificially advance time in such a fashion.

[shoeboy]

To Quote 'Jor-Lionel':
"The life of someone close to you will be exchanged for yours."

I think what he's saying is that Clark and Lana's unborn child will die.

If they were to try to kill off any other character Clark would propbably bring them back to life again.

Of course they could save the death for later in the season meaning they'd probably kill off his father like they did in th movie.

[CLana_Freak]

Originally posted by Switchback
I'm not sure who it will be. I have ideas but each idea I have I can also say that it can't be that too. So I really don't know.

To me though, Johnathan seems like the most logical choice. I know he is in the scripts for future episodes and that his contract extends through all season 5. The thing about it though...Jor-el said that Clark was about to face his darkest hour...and that hinted to me as in he was talking about VERY near, immediate future.

So that leads me to wonder. Could it really be Chloe? I know she is very popular on the show...my favorite female character. But she and Clark share a big secret together and I for one would like to see those two together. But it's kinda like the Marshall Dillon and Miss Kitty relationship. As has been said many times before...Chloe is not in any of comic books or anything like that. So

Exactly, everyone that has found out about Clark's powers is dead or gone(Pete, several of Clark's Enemies)

[Hendo]

I think it's Jonathan for a few reason.

a. Pre-Crisis lore ~ this is the final thing to drive him to accept becoming Superman and his destiny.

b. The interview (or highlights of one) with the actor that plays Jonathan. (not sure of his name) In the article he says that he's unhappy with where his character will be going in S5 and that he was only signed on for the first 19 or so episodes.

[chloefan]

All I know is I hope its not Chole. I believe it could be though :(

I was so scared that it was gonna be her last night that died in the struggle for the gun or that he wasn't dead really and was gonna come up behind her and kill her at the end.

[ZIPBAGS]

I can see it now. At the end of the series. Something happens to Chloe and before she dies. She makes Clark promise to keep using his powers to help people. Thus cementing him accepting his abilities and go on to become Superman.

[Green Hornet]

MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD!!!! DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW....





















Its Krypto, OH NOES!!!

:)

[runningwithscissors]

LOL!!!

I have a major spoiler for you........Clark Learns to Fly at Some Point!

[djcowell]

I think they need a 'killer' episode (heheheh) where Lex kills Lionel and Jonathan Kent dies because of this life force thing. The whole series has had a theme about the relationship between fathers and sons. This way they'd both be responsible for the death of their father and they'd be able to contrast the way Lex and Clark handle it going forward. They also wouldn't have to drop either of the actors because they could easily be used in flashbacks. It would also be the best way to keep Pa Kent's platitudes relevent if he's lecturing to a younger Clark than, well, superman...
Anyone else think that would be a workable scenario?

[ImzadiJedi]

I think it's Jor-El.

But if they choose someone else its either Martha or Jonathan.

I think its Jor-El because it took power to 'bring Clark back to life'. Jor-El only has so much power left. He used up what power he had left to save Clark.

[Eh,Man?You-El?]

The only character which would make "sense" to kill off to save Clark would be the Jor-El entity.
However, how much of "Smallville" ever really makes "sense"?

HEY! I just noticed! I've made it to KSite WHIZ!
(does that mean I'm CHEESE-Y? You can't see it but I'm holding up my hands in front of my chest and shaking them like "Wallace")
:lol:

[thmallville]

I hope it will be Jor-El because he keeps on messing up Clark's life, but I don't really want anyone to die!! Why would Jor-El just randomly pick someone Clark loves and kill them? If I had to pick two people I think it will be, I'd pick Jonathon and Jor-El.

[RedKriptoniteRepoter]

I don't think it's going to be lana (sadly) or chloe. Lana's death would be pointless (althoug many viewers would be be glad) and Chloe can't be killed of this soon, although it is a possibility. I'm going with the Jor-el or Jonathan theory.

[supercatmom]

Maybe they will kill off Lois.

[papercrow27]

here are my theories

1) it is chloe. why? as mentioned a couple times, she was created just for the show and she knows clark's secret. Anyone who has come into this knowledge is soon off the show (pete, cassandra, bart, adam/chad, etc). killing her (in a number of ways) could and would spurr clark to become superman. why? she's pushing him to accept his destiny as something greater than just "a kansas farm boy." the combination of WHY jor-el brought him back (his unfathomable DESTINY for whatever) and chloe's insistance that he is SO MUCH MORE than just a midwestern kid could be the catalyst that makes his mind click and accept who and what he is, what he is supposed to do. chloe could be killed by lex, making them enemies, or she could just be drained of her life arbitrarily one day, making clark promise that he'll do something great with his life.

2) it's johnathan. pre-crisis cannon says that both his parents die, but the donner films (from which the FOS was realized) says that only the father dies. makes enough sense; he has a weak heart to begin with, so it's shades of consequence, but i don't think it gives the kick to do the 'RIGHT' thing, as he's motivated by guilt rather than just to express himself completely as superman

3) it's lana. this seems to be one of the most interesting turns that the writers could take. with lana dying, he could really be able to leave smallville, as she is the one that keeps him in that life there. his need to leave the place that reminds him of her so much may help him realize that his pain is not isolated; in traveling the world, he would see that this sort of thing happens every day, and his destiny, to help others, would be realized through that act. also, as mentioned by one other poster, this would clear the way for lois

and speaking of lois...

4) could be lois. i hesitate with this one, because clark doesn't really LOVE her per se. they have a brother/sister relationship, but i think it would be really wild on part of the writers if she died in some way and chloe ended up taking her mantle and her name, because really? chloe IS lois. we all felt it at some time; her snark, her intrepidness, her love of the news and adventure...the only thing that is missing is the name and the military training, and i think that could be put together...if you'd really like to see how things could work like that, check out "the three faces of lois lane" in the fanfic section under adult fiction...it's a great read and really makes you think of the possibilities.

5) it is lion-el. stick with me on this one, because the importance of lionel dying hinges solely on clark's relationship with jor-el. so for this reasoning, there are a couple different scenarios.

i cannot see jor-el being a constant direct influence in clark's life, due to the fact that he will never become his own person, as jor-el asks clark to blindly follow him with any request (return to me. for what? your destiny awaits. what destiny? find the stones. why?). jor-el, in effect, must die. but how can this come about? how can clark "love" someone he feels is a tyrant in his life? my guess is that jor-el limited his time left with clark when he fused into lionel. clark and jor-el might develop a better relationship due to a more human prescence in his life rather than a booming voice that commands him to do whatever he wants. I can see this going a couple ways due to the fusion of lionel and jor-el

lex kills lionel in a fit of jealous rage over feeling that lionel now "knows" clark's secret even though lionel doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

lex kills lionel in a fit of jealous rage due to clark and him having a more father-son thing going on than he ever did.

lex kills him for both these reasons.

in all these cases, with the destruction of the vessel, so perishes jor-el, transfering the last of his life force to clark by means of lionel's death. so lionel houses the life force, but jor-el dies as well due to the mind not surviving without the body.

another theory? jor-el "healed" lionel with clark and lionel's original transference, but in actualilty, lionel is really dead. how is he still kickin' though? let's suppose that jor-el's spirit keeps the vessel lionel alive. So if jor-el abandon's lionel now, the vessel will die. Let's compound that with the fact that we KNOW that a human body cannot uphold kryptonian powers without serious damage. lionel may be falling apart without knowing it, and jor-el is weakening, but has enough reserved to save his son. the death of clark sent the programming from the fortress to lionel, which may have started the clock.

this leads into the theory that there is no ACTUAL transfer of life, like a blood transfusion, just the fortress's ability to bring back clark relied on him GETTING there. the only way that he COULD get there was via lion-el's transport, which started the countdown due to jor-el taking a human, fragile form.


did i just blow your minds away? because i know i blew mine away too.

and now for the cop outs!

6) pete dies! he's not on the show, and out of site, out of mind, ya dig? yeah....i hope it's not him due to the fact that it IS a flaccid premise

7) lex dies! well, at least they can 'technically" say that because when he turns into a full blown villan, his "good" side perishes. right. sounds like a weak one to me.


my money is on the jor-el ticking clock theory. it just...i dunno. it would be great if it was him, and there's some crypticness to lion-el's words in the fortress in regards to how he felt about his son

[¿ dom ?]

There are two clear choices in my mind.

- Johnathon
- Chloe

Jor-El is already dead and, for obvious reasons, it can't be Lex, Lana or Lois or Martha.

[Hydra]

As you all know I'm a supporter of the Jor-El concept.

However my second choices (nto that I want either of these charectars to die) are as follows...

1. Jonathan. Simply because of the heart thing, and the fact that he has died in some superman lore.

2. Chloe, because TPTB don't see to realize how much better she is than Lana, and because she's not in any of the comics.

I don't think it's...

1. Clark, because The whole show is about him for pete sakes.

2. Lex because we all know his destiny as well as we know Superman's.

3. Lana, because as much as I would love it, I just don't think TPTB have it in them. Besides she's never died in any official Superman lore.

4. Lois because She's going to marry Clark.

5. Martha, because generally she always seems to outlive Jonathan (although this isn't always the case).

[Extremeblizz]

I just remebered a bit of information that might be connected to the whole "someone you love will die" thing.

Warning- Spoilers Ahead, Not major ones and they don't say in what episode this will happen.




















well, in the spoiler section there's this little tidbit-

New stuff from TV Guide's Ask Ausiello:
- Martha contracts a mysterious disease from the planet Krypton and is given hours to live (but, with it being Smallville, will be all better by the next week!)

So, I figure this is what'll happen to Martha, since she's in my opinion the one who'll die/get sick.

I don't know if this was posted before but this deemed important to me on figuring out who'll die.
Plus, it's fun to think that Martha'll pull through and all shall be will in the land of "Smallville" :)

Btw, Since I only lurk these forums and don't post people don't know me I would like to send my regards to all you wonderful people posting and making me ponder upon every little tidbit in the episodes with all of your intresting opinions.

[werd]

I'm also leaning towards the theory that it will be jor-el. Clark may not display his affection for jor-el, but he's starting to realize that Jor-el is his father. He wants to know about his past, about himself.

They may stretch it out over several episodes where he starts to realize he was responsible for his fathers death. Especially When he starts to realize what his father had done for him.

He will realize how much his father had loved him, how he saved him from destruction. How he planned everything so that he could grow up and experience life.

Then there's another theory I have.

I know that WB is planning smallville out in such a way that it will not completely clash with the upcoming superman movie. I noticed on imdb that Jonathan kent isn't listed in character list, only Martha is. Might be a hint at the future of smallville.

Hah, maybe they will bring pete back for an episode just so they can kill him off :P

[cca_25]

I think it's Lana. I would dare to say Chloe and Jonathan are safe.

[cmgames]

I want Lana to die, she is holding Clark back from his destiny. If he told her his secret i'm sure he would embrace all his powers but he continues to hide it. He treats it like some sort of burden, why? Can't be with Lana thats why. So unless he tells her she should die.

Although I also want Chloe to die. Lois and Chloe are too similar and Lois also needs to fulfil her own destiny. Right now, Chloe is on Lois's path. What needs to happen for Lois to get on track? Well if Chloe dies, maybe Lois will pick up where Chloe left off and go into investigative journalism as a tribute to Chloe's legacy. Whilst Chloe is still around, Lois will never be the one we all come to love. Even if Lois did end up being a journalist, she'd end up being equal par with Chloe and I always assumed she was the best at her job bar only Clark of course.

[spacepixie21]

i agree with the person who said it's gonna be clark and lana's unborn child. think about it...clark was human for the last few episodes. i don't think they're gonna take jonathan out of the mix just yet, and didn't marvel buy the chloe sullivan character??

[Malefic-Lex]

Here are ways out of killing a major character but still killing someone "important":

1. Lex becomes effected by the black kryptonite and split in two beings - good lex and bad lex. Good lex dies, leaving us with a fully developed evil lex. (see Onyx episode)

2. Lana and Clark had sex? What if Lana got pregnant? Then Clark's child would die in his place. You saw how Clark was attached to another person's baby and liked being a "Daddy" in the "Ageless" episode. . . This could result in the fated Clark Lana split-up (although I think that will occur because Lana discovers Clark's secret and is ticked off he was lying to her).

In both cases, someone Clark loves would die in his place, without killing a major present character or raise one from the dead afterward.

[shy175223]

what a minute How can a child die without even been born yet?? That doesn't make sense. it would make sense if Lana was pregnant NOW!

I doubt also that it would be Martha or Jonathan because in one interview TPTB said that they would be around until the series end so forget that theory, I'm sorry but I still say its Jor-el!

[DawnFire]

When I first heard that someone close to him would die, I immediately thought of Lana. I hope it isn't her though...

[shy175223]

Relax, it is definitely NOT her. Almiles would not be that dense to let some like that happen. Hopefully.

[superpal1]

I vote for Jor-el. Clark will come to love his birth father, as he learns of his powers. Even though some may argue that Jor-el is already dead, it will be this Tutor/Fortress Jor-el that will die, thus leaving Clark alone for good to fulfill his destiny. I wouldnt be surprised if Jor-el sacrifices himself to save Clark against Brainiac.

[mantaray]

It's going to be Jonathan Kent.

Remember when Jonathan made a deal with Jor-el to get "evil" Clark back from Metropolis. Jor-el told Jonathan he'd be asking for something in return.

He may ask for his life. After all, Jonathan has been the force that has opposed Jor-el as to what Clark's destiny should be.

It's the battle of the fathers.

[DGreen]

that deal was already fulfilled. the deal was jonathan had to give clark back when jor-el said so. they went over that in the season 3 finale. of course it is possible that there is another side to the deal, but i doubt it. and jor-el can't die, cause he's in the new superman movie, and the writers are trying not to do anything that would totally mess up the mythology behind that movie.

[MetroGirl06]

I dont know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont want anyone to die!

[DGreen]

me either, and i seriously think i'd cry if lana got pregnant then lost the baby because of braniac or one of th fotw clarks fighting. it'd be a very hard scene to watch. personally i'd prefer if it were martha. she's had a very smaller role for quite a while, so i'm not as attached to her as i am to jonathan and chloe. either way, it's something i'm not looking forward to and i think it's going to be hard watching every ep. waiting to see who's gonna die.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Originally posted by Hydra
Lana won't die. She never has in any of the comics. And trust me... if they could drag things out this painfully long... I'm sure they can do it for another two years after this season. Although hopefully she'll leave before then.

So has Superman for that matter!

But honestly considering Chloe is the only non-cannonical character like it or not makes her the prime candidate when it comes to Clarks female friends however we cannot rule out one of his parents either...

[wadaya]

The simplest way out is, Pete dies. Near the end of an episode, there is a phone call saying Pete died. It covers everything. Someone Clark cares about dies, don't need to waste screen time, and the following week can pretend like it never happened.
It can't be an unborn child, because it's someone he *cares* about as in like, already. Can't really care about someone whom you do not even know exists. Also it's not Jor-el, because he doesn't love Jor-el, even though Jor-el wishes he did.

[xrayvision]

I somehow think it's Jorel/Lionel. I said this when I first saw the promo where you could hear a voice (I correctly chose Lionel's voice) saying someone close to him would die. I thought it would be similar to Cassandra predicting her own death.

When you think of it, it's not likely they'll drag Lionel's character for another season. I'm not sure if they will kill Lionel completely or just kill the Jor-El essence in him. Although there are some things to be said about this. You can't complain that Lex would be upstaged from being the main bad-ass by having Lionel around since Lionel hasn't been up to evil for a long time and Lex has been doing some underhanded things.

So does this mean Lionel is good, or is he still evil? It would be somewhat interesting seeing him try to hunt down Clark or his secrets as a bad guy and then turn good whenever Jor-El takes over, but I doubt this will happen (evil Lionel has been overdone). The main interesting thing is, does Lionel in his normal state as seen at the end of the episode know about Clark's secret? Is that why he shot Jason (to protect Clark)? We have seen 2 brainwashed states of Lionel (as Jor-El and the previous Zod prophet-type).

I was thinking that the powers he had/has must be taking a toll on his body. Maybe this will lead to his end? I'd hate to see it since he has been an awesome character on the series, but they will probably get rid of him soon.

[markbot]

it's obvious pa kent.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I somehow think it's Jorel/Lionel. I said this when I first saw the promo where you could hear a voice (I correctly chose Lionel's voice) saying someone close to him would die. I thought it would be similar to Cassandra predicting her own death.

When you think of it, it's not likely they'll drag Lionel's character for another season. I'm not sure if they will kill Lionel completely or just kill the Jor-El essence in him. Although there are some things to be said about this. You can't complain that Lex would be upstaged from being the main bad-ass by having Lionel around since Lionel hasn't been up to evil for a long time and Lex has been doing some underhanded things.

So does this mean Lionel is good, or is he still evil? It would be somewhat interesting seeing him try to hunt down Clark or his secrets as a bad guy and then turn good whenever Jor-El takes over, but I doubt this will happen (evil Lionel has been overdone). The main interesting thing is, does Lionel in his normal state as seen at the end of the episode know about Clark's secret? Is that why he shot Jason (to protect Clark)? We have seen 2 brainwashed states of Lionel (as Jor-El and the previous Zod prophet-type).

I was thinking that the powers he had/has must be taking a toll on his body. Maybe this will lead to his end? I'd hate to see it since he has been an awesome character on the series, but they will probably get rid of him soon.

Remember it's someone he loves and Clark doesn't love Lionel or Jor-El. Besides Jor-El is dead already.

[DGreen]

there are so many reasons why it can't be jor-el that i think we can safely rule him out.

i think it'll be one of his parents, only because they are the ppl closest to him(yes he is close to chloe, but noone compares to his parents), so i'd say jonathan.

[xrayvision]

One more thing--I think killing Jonathan would send a really bad message. I was very pissed that Clark didn't tell any of his parents what Jor-El/Lionel said. It is very selfish and not Superman-like at all. Although telling someone that they may die could be worse. But knowing Clark, he should do something where he would sacrifice himself in place of whoever Jor-El has in mind.

[Zoghade]

Originally posted by xrayvision
One more thing--I think killing Jonathan would send a really bad message. I was very pissed that Clark didn't tell any of his parents what Jor-El/Lionel said. It is very selfish and not Superman-like at all. Although telling someone that they may die could be worse. But knowing Clark, he should do something where he would sacrifice himself in place of whoever Jor-El has in mind.

...He did that. Clark said explicitly that if it meant someone close to him would die, he didn't want to come back at all. There's a reason Jor-El said it was too late, that it's going to happen no matter what. It doesn't matter that Clark was willing to sacrifice himself (he was, he said so), someone close to him is still going to die because his destiny's too great.

Clark didn't tell his parents because he didn't want either of them to worry. Would you rather have him say "oh, one of you might die in the future because Jor-El brought me back, have fun tormenting yourselves over how long you might have before your inevitable death if it's you?" Yes, that last bit is exaggeration, but you get the point: if Clark tells them about it, they'll only end up worrying about it constantly, and it'll ruin some of the home life. He already feels bad because of his father's heart condition, why further it by telling them something like that?

It's cruel, but I hope it's Johnathan. He's the only one close to Clark that would normally die around this time that's in current continuity. Lex won't for very obvious reasons, and he won't be close any time soon. Nothing for Lionel. Unless it's not the real Lois, she's staying. Martha traditionally outlives Johnathan. Lana is supposed live for quite a while. Pete's gone (though wouldn't it be interesting if he got killed off so there'd be no possible guest appearances?). Only other character that they could do it with that seems clear-cut, obvious possibility is Chloe. I'll be very annoyed if they kill off Chloe because she's actually a really good character, a fresh face for the Smallville mythos so it's interesting to see the progress of a character who never existed before, and they're actually giving her the air time and respect she deserves.

Unfortunately, knowing how the writers seem to hate Chloe with a passion (they've put her through the wringer when it comes to trying to make her look bad, and despite their attempts, she's come out even MORE liked), she'll probably be the one killed off. Their increased respect for her this season, no doubt, being because the fans actually like her in large numbers and they need to come off as actually caring about the character before axing her. If she's shown in a negative light all the time and then killed off, they're shown to have no respect for Chloe and the decision to get rid of her comes off as bias against her rather than using her because it feels appropriate. But if she's shown in an overwhelmingly positive light all of a sudden before getting rid of her, they come off as glorifying and martyring her "greatness" and "potential."

[The Source]

I think it's Chloe. Killing Lana, his parents or Lex will stop the birth of Superman.

Then again, I could be wrong...

[Red_Kal]

Chloe is so going dying this season. I knew it almost instantly.

[kryptonize]

I think Pete will die. They'll bring him back for a couple shows, then kill him and Clark will cry, but I won't give a hoot, so I hope it's him and not someone actually important.

The thing about Lana having a miscarriage is good.

[AugenStern]

Jonathan. It's been building up since Exile.

Chloe will go insane.

Lana will find out about The Secret and cut Clark off.

Lionel will die. Lex will kill him to fulfull the 'son becomes the father' thing.

Everyone else will move on to do dog food commercials and bit parts in other shows. The end.

[vikingjedi]

Realistically its probably Jonathan with Chloe as an outside chance.

Just for fun though...

What if its Lex? Like Clark doesn't save him in time and he's killed in a battle between Clark and a villian.

Lex Corp. freezes Lex and then uses the meteor rocks and a new experimental process to bring him back from the dead and the "real" Lex is reborn.

His debt to Clark for saving his life is over because he died.

[<Adam Knight>]

i hope its not chloe....i dont want anyone to die...but def. not chloe

[shy175223]

Originally posted by DGreen
there are so many reasons why it can't be jor-el that i think we can safely rule him out.

i think it'll be one of his parents, only because they are the ppl closest to him(yes he is close to chloe, but noone compares to his parents), so i'd say jonathan.

I think he does LOVE Jor-el at leastdeep inside he does he just doesn't know it yet.

Jonathan and Martha are going to stick around according Almiles until the series ends so forget that theory, too.

[jimmyolsenblues]

My theory, Pa Kent will make appearances as a ghost in season 6. Bo Duke is Casper the Ghost Season 6.

[shy175223]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
My theory, Pa Kent will make appearances as a ghost in season 6. Bo Duke is Casper the Ghost Season 6.


funny... :rotfl: :rotfl:

[mantaray]

Clark was reborn with the life-force of Alicia.

For some reason, he discovers his new power of teleportation, as well as a fresh head of blond hair.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Zoghade
It's cruel, but I hope it's Johnathan. He's the only one close to Clark that would normally die around this time that's in current continuity.

Well, in the post-crisis continuity in the comics, he is still alive, but since this is not the comics, they could still kill him.

I think it might be Lionel. That devilish grin that Lex had at the end made it seem certain that he has plans for daddy. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes him to Summerholt to have his brain scoured. John Glover is awesome, so I hope they somehow kill off the Jor-El in him and leave him around, but I don't think there is that much more they can do with his character.

[Hydra]

I agree that it seems Lionel is running out of uses, but that's what I thought at the end of season three, and then they kept him interesting. Nearing the end of season four I thought he would die there, but it ends up they've made him even more interesting agian.

[TheRealClarkKent]

I don't want anyone to die, maybe at the end of the SERIES, but not at the end of a SEASON. No way. The show and not to mention the story would lose its momentuma and potential. Everyone should live...for now.

[bap290]

This is what my friend thinks:

Lana is NOT gonna die! In the episode in Season 3 where that guy (Jordan) touches ppl and reads their future on how they die, he touched lana at the end (no u sick perverts, lol) and he saw her future back to normal, dying peacefully at an old age. This means it's impossible unless they use some kinda crap like "Jor-el could change the future like clark did." i doubt that it's lana. She is too important.

I think it'll be either chloe in some heroic way helping out clark, or Jonnathan like in the movies.

[Basest Rue]

I hate to say it, but I think it's Jonathan, too. John Schneider's campaign to keep the character, his remark about 19 eps... not a good sign. And I love Jonathan. I love those Jonathan moments when he's warm and fuzzy and making those hokey statements.

But this show is ruthless about dumping people who's story lines have gone flat (or have been made flat), and I haven't seen a good Pa Kent story line for a while.

If Jonathan isn't around, the show won't be the same for me. I'll feel pretty sad watching a Smallville ep w/out Jonathan Kent. We'll see.

[DarkClone]

My first thought was Jonathan . . . i thought i remembered hearing something about how he died before clark went to college or something like this, or sometime when Clark was still pretty young . . .

the only other options I can see are Jor-El and Chloe, in that order

[Shadow09]

I think Pa Kent or Lana are the ones that will be gone... although I can't see Lana dying as she never really died in the comics... and Pa Kent seems the more logical choice

[scoobycookies]

It's probably Jonathon Kent. He may even know it already or have some sort of inkling that it's coming like it's part of the deal he made with jor-el when bringing Clark back in crusade (that's why jor-el says it's already set in motion). Maybe that's why in Arrival, they let the camera linger on Jonathon's concerned face when Clark was all YAY I'm normal and my business with Jor-el is done. Jonathon knows jor-el wouldn't let go of Clark that easily.

[Enialedam]

Originally posted by scoobycookies
It's probably Jonathon Kent. He may even know it already or have some sort of inkling that it's coming like it's part of the deal he made when bringing Clark back in crusade. Maybe that's why in Arrival, they let the camera linger on Jonathon's concerned face when Clark was all YAY I'm normal and my business with Jor-el is done. Jonathon knows jor-el wouldn't let go of Clark that easily.

My votes for Johnathon too ... though I really don't want it to be!

DIE LANA!

[dreamingofclark/tom]

I think it will be someone that we won't suspect. When a tv series kills off a character, usually its someone no one suspects. That's what's called good television. (I wish I could think of some examples but nothing's coming to mind) For sure though, it won't be Lois. At least that I know. And Jonathan is too obvious, everyone would suspect him. But I think the writers are going to keep us on our toes with this. What a great season this is going to be.

[President_Luthor]

Jonathan and Chloe are the usual suspects -- but Pete or Lana could also be 'exchanged' if it were permitted.

It would be unexpected that Lana -- who's expected to live on in Superman's future, at least by DC canon -- is the one to die. And it would also be unexpected if Pete were to die -- since he also has a future (not only with Clark but with Lex!).

If DC gives them the green light to kill anyone but Lois (I'd bet that she's untouchable in their eyes, TPTB likely instructed point-blank not to kill her off), then perhaps any one of them could be sacrificed for the cause.

It'll probably be JK, with Chloe as the dark horse and Pete or Lana as WTF! / unlikely possibilities.

[Alicia Baker]

Originally posted by Enialedam DIE LANA! [/B]

please!!! LOL! but I think it's Jonathan too :(

[Hugo]

I think it will be Chole who dies. Everybody has been questioning how will the writers get rid of her considering that she's not in any other show or comic. The loss of Chole will force Clark to be grauded about his secerts since he doesn't have Pete in his life and anymore and Chole's dead. If anybody on the show knows about his powers there marked for death or danger
Then Lois will come, fall in love with Clark. Then after a whlie he'll be able to tell his sercert! Also the loss of Chole will force Lois into journalism.

[Alicia Baker]

don't say that!! she's one of my favorite characters!! but u'r right... she could die...

[smallvillerox05]

But this show is ruthless about dumping people who's story lines have gone flat (or have been made flat), and I haven't seen a good Pa Kent story line for a while.
It's been even longer since Martha had a good storyline. ;)

Then Lois will come, fall in love with Clark. Then after a whlie he'll be able to tell his sercert! Also the loss of Chole will force Lois into journalism.
Romantic Clois isn't a possibility on the show.

[shaxberd]

I'm wondering whether it couldn't still be Dr. Virgil Swann? I know he's supposed to have already died, but someone as rich as he is could have faked it. He had the element of transformation and the key and knew more about Kryptonian technology and symbols than Clark did.

I know that Christopher Reeve has passed away, but the character of Dr. Swann could have been reborn into a new body or form, and he was Clark's friend. I know, very out there, but the fanboy in me that loved Christopher Reeve as Superman (the first 2 movies, anyway) sort of wants to see this passing of the torch.

And I do think Dr. Swann was his friend, connected to Clark in a way that the others were not. Thoughts?

[smallvillerox05]

I'm wondering whether it couldn't still be Dr. Virgil Swann? I know he's supposed to have already died, but someone as rich as he is could have faked it. He had the element of transformation and the key and knew more about Kryptonian technology and symbols than Clark did.

I know that Christopher Reeve has passed away, but the character of Dr. Swann could have been reborn into a new body or form, and he was Clark's friend. I know, very out there, but the fanboy in me that loved Christopher Reeve as Superman (the first 2 movies, anyway) sort of wants to see this passing of the torch.

And I do think Dr. Swann was his friend, connected to Clark in a way that the others were not. Thoughts?
My thoughts are that tptb have way too much respect for Christopher Reeve to continue his character with another actor/actress, no matter who the new actor/actress may be. Besides, it's not proven that the stone from Transference could work on a non Kryptonian. It was never used to swap two humans' souls.

[ImzadiJedi]

I thought that Swann was dead... How can Jor-El mean him.

[smallvillerox05]

He was saying that Dr. Swann could have transferred himself into someone else's body with the stone that was used in Transference. Then Dr. Swann would still be alive and he could die, which tptb wouldn't do.

[blagger]

Haven't read all the entries so many apologies if this is a repeat but (if it isn't Jorel's essence) I have an outside possibillity that occurred to me.

Could lana be pregnant? If Clark and she were not as careful as he claimed she could be as he was "Human" during that time - he is now Kryptonian again and perhaps the implications are that the unborn child will perish. Perhaps that was the lifeforce that could no longer be and was exchanged for Clark.

I still think it's Jorel but thought I'd mention it as that would indeed be a very dark time for any man

Though I doubt the writers would delve this deep on a family show.

[SoulCystic]

i posted my theory elsewhere but here it is

It's JK in the final episode and I'll tell you why.

The movie comes out next year and it is supposedly worked around after Supes 2 and they have to tie into the old movies. JK is dead and gone in those for whatever reason.

They already tie into the movies everychance they get. it would be a perfect season finale to kill off Jonathon. leads right into the movie over the summer and the movie leads right into ~possibly~ the last season, with clark and Lois, if they even go that route of having a 6th season. this maybe the end of the run and leave it with the movie to carry on the franchise, or they may leverage the two (movie/show) to keep interest until a another movie is made.

OR......

It could be JK and Chloe. Clark thinks he has lost the one he was supposed to lose (either one) and then he turns up and loses another.

they have to get rid of both by movie time.

but i could be completely wrong.

[Kal EL2380]

It will probably be JK. The movie has nothing to do with Smallville. The writers and Brian Singer have stated this. Clark losing his Dad(JK) would be one of his darkest hours. I dont think it has anything to do with Jor-El. John Schneider is only contracted for a certain amount of episodes this season, so i think its him.

[SoulCystic]

i dont think the movie is directly related at all, but they could easily link it.

[shaxberd]

I think you're assuming that it would be done in a disrespectful manner, and that this wasn't the plan that they ultimately had in mind for the Virgil Swann character when they created him, possibly even something that Christopher Reeve had agreed to before his untimely death. Done right, I think it could be done very respectfully and with the blessings of his friends and family.

[President_Luthor]

JK has made many sacrifices because of Clark, whether it's deals with Jor-El, cutting a deal with Lionel to sell out the Rosses or struggling to keep Clark's secret under wraps from those who could harm him.

His death would seem like a catalyst, compelling Clark to claim his destiny to prevent such a tragedy from recurring again. It would seem to be the most likely death which would propel Clark into his destiny.

Of course, there could be a twist. Maybe it will seem like JK's the one to die -- but Chloe is the one taken, with little warning. That way, Clark would totally regret not telling her how he felt about her friendship, and that he didn't have the kind of faith she had in him. They could make it seem like it was far more tragic.

Since 'this' Clark tends to do things when prodded (and not of his own choosing), it looks more likely someone will die if Clark is to become a true hero. :(

[Daydrmrzzz]

I've had many of the same ideas mentioned here. Since the very beginning of the show, I've thought that Chloe would either become Lois or die, so she is a possibility.
I'd thought of the unborn baby as well. If Lana has became pregnant with Clark's child, he would love it more than anyone else could expect. It would combine his love for her, his hope for the future, a chance for the "normalcy" of fatherhood, etc. Complications in the birth with the possibility of losing either the child or Lana would definately constitute his "darkest hour", since his powers would be of no use whatsoever.
Jonathan is an obvious choice because of the first Superman movie.
Jor-El/Lionel is another possibility for a reason not mentioned so far in this thread. In the comics, during the "Death and Life of Superman" arc. One of the unique factors that brought Superman back was the absorption of all the Kryptonian AI in the Fortress of Solitude (Jor-El, in this case).
So, which do I think it will be? I'm leaning towards the baby as first choice, with Jor-el/Lionel 2nd, Jonathan 3rd, and Chloe 4th.

[Indiago Child]

I think its going to be JK to die, this is indeed CKs darkerst hour as when his dad dies he decides to leave smallville behind and begin a new life in Metropolis, this was the event that heralded the change from CK the boy, into CK the Superman!

[hyped1]

Jonathan DIES.

1. HE is the father Clark Loves
2. HE has bum ticker and has been ILL several times already.

3. Like Uncle Ben to Peter Parker, Father figure dies and he goe on to fulfill his destiny.

NOBODY ELSE DYING MAKES SENSE!

Besides at some point Pa Kent HAS to die, it IS part of mythos/Story since day 1!!

[No-El]

If Lana dies, that would blow everyones mind---and the ratings!!!!!!!!!

[scoobycookies]

I'd thought of the unborn baby as well.
I hope they don't go the baby plot device route. I've never liked the use of baby plot in any sci-fi/fantasy/superhero series. Angel (conner), roswell(max's son), buffy (dawn though not exactly a baby)...even non sci-fi series like "mad about you" start to suck when the baby comes. The show always goes south after writers use the baby plot. So please noooo baby plot. Even though I don't want him to die, Jonathon is the best choice. As he said at the end of commencement, he's taught clark all he needs already.

Actually Lana would be the best choice because it would be a shocker and it could be her redemption if she continues to be manipulated by lex. But clana fans would be crying and I don't think the writers have the guts to do that. So it'll be jonathon :(

[No-El]

Originally posted by scoobycookies
I hope they don't go the baby plot device route. I've never liked the use of baby plot in any sci-fi/fantasy/superhero series. Angel (conner), roswell(max's son), buffy (dawn though not exactly a baby)...even non sci-fi series like "mad about you" start to suck when the baby comes. The show always goes south after writers use the baby plot. So please noooo baby plot. Even though I don't want him to die, Jonathon is the best choice. As he said at the end of commencement, he's taught clark all he needs already.

Actually Lana would be the best choice because it would be a shocker and it could be her redemption if she continues to be manipulated by lex. But clana fans would be crying and I don't think the writers have the guts to do that. So it'll be jonathon :(


I agree with the assessment.

And the writers don't have the guts to take Lana away from fans
otherwise the would be "mass hysteria and a major revolt"!! Not to mention the implications of millions of Clanas taking it out on us Chloe/Clark fans!!!

Horrific!!!!:(

[hyped1]

Pa has/is sick! His heart is weak...it has been alluded to for several seasons! Jor-el killing Clark's human father will cause more tension and is more dramatic than anyone else dying!

None of the girls can die for they are all to some level love interests (except Ma of course) and baby? Why is everyone so hung up on Clana's super baby?

Death of baby, miscarriage, Jor-el killing baby are all very BAD and politcally incorrect these days! Not to say lame as hell! Thats a whole lot of melodrama I can do without! Does anyone remember how bad last seasons Clana as parents of fast aging boy was!?!?!

Oh boy lord us help us if there is another one of those baby episodes!!

[smallvillerox05]

Jonathan DIES.

NOBODY ELSE DYING MAKES SENSE!
Jor-El sacraficing himself makes sense.

Besides at some point Pa Kent HAS to die, it IS part of mythos/Story since day 1!!
Pre crisis that's true, but post crisis both parents have been alive and well. They were both alive when Superman died (in fact, Jonathan brought Clark back from the dead after a heart attack, when his heart stopped) Both parents were alive during Lois and Clark as well. So just because pre crisis and the movies had Bo Kent die, doesn't mean Smallville will.

[DGreen]

jor-el doesn't make sense. the writers aren't going to directly conflict the new superman movie. and since jor-el is in that movie, he's not going anywhere. just as, since JK is dead according to SR, then he'll most likely be the one to die.

[hyped1]

Good points and yes I am familiar with post/pre crisis lore but Jor-El, The trainer, teacher, and final piece in the education of Superman (according to show not comics) has to be there to help clark with final powers and tell him his final destiny.

Besides he lives in FOS now or at least this is where he can do the most teaching to Clark so I don't see why he would sacrifice himself, at least not yet.

And Clarks cirlce of people he "LOVES" is not so large. There is Mom, Dad, Chloe, Lana, and he likes Lois (whom I think may be an important character later on) so out of those recurring characters the only one with any continuing, alluded, plausible reason for dying is the guy who made life or death a deal with Jor-el prior to this season may in fact die.

For the record I love Bo/ Pa Kent's character and think John Schneider has done a great job! I DON"t Want him to die...just what seems to make sense to me.

Also DGREEN makes a goid point this season directly ties into movie as it will end right before the movie hits theaters so they will not stray TOO far from that story arc. Also Movie follows Supes movie II in which PA IS DED AS DISCO so MORE Flame to this fire!

[smallvillerox05]

except the fact that the writers of smallvile aren't going to do anything that directly conflicts with the new superman movie. therefore jor-el can't die, and more than likely jonathan kent will. although it may not be this season.
That's not absolute. Smallville is seperate, Singer could have changed that much to make Jor-El not in the movie or given AlMiles the green light to do what they want. It's not like YOU'VE seen the movie and happen to be Bryan Singer. ;)

[snowblizzard]

Originally posted by Buzzhouse.com
I do think it will be the season finale and I think it will be Lana.

Clark has to start to move toward Lois and can't really do it with Lana around, thus the character needs to go. Plus with Lois as his love interest she doesn't really have a good place on the show to fill.

My guess is that Lex will have something to do with her death which will futher create the divide between them.


Hi,
I disagree in this scenario and I'll explain. After viewing the episode again ang going over the dialogue I now believe the reason for Clark being afreaid to tell Lana the truth about himself is because he really deeply believes that Lana is the one who will die because of him not obeying Jor-El. He thinks that will be the consequence. However, Lana Lang doesn't die in any Superman book, comic or movie, so why would the producers kill her?
About his scar, from what I saw when he was at the emergency isn't much of a scar. He can get by without anyone noticing. It's a very small cut from a bullet with a very small bandage.
One last thing, if he's afraid that someone will see that he has no scar, than why you see him in the water with a bathing suit trying to save Lois, in the episode coming up?
No, I believe now more than ever that it will be Chloe who will die since also Pa Kent will run for senator. Just the way they got rid pf Pete Ross, Chloe will follow but in Alicia type of a death.
All the rest of the characters, including Lana, play a huge roll in fulfilling his Destiny, not Chloe. Maybe she'll team up with Lex Luthor against Clark Kent and she somehow gets killed. After all she once before tried to spy on Clark for Lionel Luthor. She can do it again. What benefit would Chloe have from Clark fulfilling his Destiny. No, all she's concerned about is her career as a reporter.
That's only an opinion, and how the transcript and dioloque lead me to believe after "Hidden".
Lana hates Lex. She also hides from Lex that Clark knows about the Aliens and the spaceship....Lex's answer...."I guess Clark does'nt trust you like I do...." when he had gone through her drawings of the spaceship in her apartment and Lana makes him believe she hadn't told Clark. Lana knows more about Clark than we all have lead to believe, and also trully loves him and I believe whatever she said to him at the hospital before he died.

[snowblizzard]

Hi,
After viewing the episode again ang going over the dialogue I now believe the reason for Clark being afreaid to tell Lana the truth about himself is because he really deeply believes that Lana is the one who will die because of him not obeying Jor-El. He thinks that will be the consequence. However, Lana Lang doesn't die in any Superman book, comic or movie, so why would the producers kill her?
About his scar, from what I saw when he was at the emergency isn't much of a scar. He can get by without anyone noticing. It's a very small cut from a bullet with a very small bandage.
One last thing, if he's afraid that someone will see that he has no scar, than why you see him in the water with a bathing suit trying to save Lois, in the episode coming up?
No, I believe now more than ever that it will be Chloe who will die since also Pa Kent will run for senator. Just the way they got rid pf Pete Ross, Chloe will follow but in Alicia type of a death.
All the rest of the characters, including Lana, play a huge roll in fulfilling his Destiny, not Chloe. Maybe she'll team up with Lex Luthor against Clark Kent and she somehow gets killed. After all she once before tried to spy on Clark for Lionel Luthor. She can do it again. What benefit would Chloe have from Clark fulfilling his Destiny. No, all she's concerned about is her career as a reporter.
That's only an opinion, and how the transcript and dioloque lead me to believe after "Hidden".
Lana hates Lex. She also hides from Lex that Clark knows about the Aliens and the spaceship....Lex's answer...."I guess Clark does'nt trust you like I do...." when he had gone through her drawings of the spaceship in her apartment and Lana makes him believe she hadn't told Clark. Lana knows more about Clark than we all have lead to believe, and also trully loves him and I believe whatever she said to him at the hospital before he died.

[smallvillerox05]

Maybe she'll team up with Lex Luthor against Clark Kent and she somehow gets killed. After all she once before tried to spy on Clark for Lionel Luthor. She can do it again. What benefit would Chloe have from Clark fulfilling his Destiny. No, all she's concerned about is her career as a reporter.
That's only an opinion, and how the transcript and dioloque lead me to believe after "Hidden".
Not trying to change your mind or anything, but what makes you think that?

[Kal-El18]

eh could be anyone really guess we will just have to wait and see huh

[Gr8stNonKryptonianHero]

My take is perhaps someone is possessed again by "Jor-El" and comes for Jonathan, attacks him but is stopped by Clark. Pa Kent is left weakened, speeding up his heart condition. He won't die just yet, but is in the process, Lionel is wasted. Clark convinces Jor-EL that a life was taken there is no need to take a second. Jor-El relents, Pa Kent's mortal clock has been moved ahead a bit meaning he won't see Clark become Superman, and Lex is now free of his father and forges his own destiny on the dark side, now that no one can stop him (at least until Superman)

I think Jonathan might make it to the very last episode of Smallville, dying just as Clark becomes Superman

[Jlvsclrk]

I don't see how anyone could think it could be Jor-El because the spirit of the man is psychopathic, and Clark will never love him because of what he did to Jonathon. I personally thought the writers made it crystal clear that Jor-El shares more than a body with Lionel - there's a lot of parallels between the 2 characters such as saying how much they love their son when they've just done something too dreadful to contemplate [for example, Lionel at the end of Shattered telling the doctor that he loves Lex more than life itself.] Both Lionel and Jor-El (and there fused entity Lion-El) believe absolutely that the end justifies the means. They both create situations and then blame their sons for it.

Anyways, the obvious betting favorites are Chloe and Jonathon, but I have my money on Martha the outside shot. I just think this would be so unexpected, and I like the idea of Clark coming up with some way to force Jor-El to back off.

And I'm thinking this'll be episode 100, not the season finale.

[Skydiver]

I think it will be Krypto.

[FlashFan]

What I don't get is, Jor-El has already restored Clark's life and powers. If this 'balance' has to be maintained, shouldn't the sacrificing party be dead already?
I mean, what did Jor-El do, give the Grim Reaper an I.O.U?

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by snowblizzard

About his scar, from what I saw when he was at the emergency isn't much of a scar. He can get by without anyone noticing. It's a very small cut from a bullet with a very small bandage.
One last thing, if he's afraid that someone will see that he has no scar, than why you see him in the water with a bathing suit trying to save Lois, in the episode coming up?

Well if you look at some of the pics on K-site you will notice that Clark is wearing a bandaid.


Originally posted by snowblizzard

No, I believe now more than ever that it will be Chloe who will die since also Pa Kent will run for senator. Just the way they got rid of Pete Ross, Chloe will follow but in Alicia type of a death.
All the rest of the characters, including Lana, play a huge roll in fulfilling his Destiny, not Chloe.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. They got "rid" of Sam Jones because he wanted to leave the show, not because he knew Clark's secret.

Why does everyone think that Chloe is going to die? Just because there have been other people who learned his secret doesn't mean that tptb are going to kill off Chloe. First of all Allison has a contract the same as everyone else. To do a 5 year stint then they have the option to renew the contract. IMDB reports no one leaving http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0279600/ and why would you get rid of the most popular person on Smallville? And everyone else who learned his secret was bad so that's why they were killed.

Alicia was killed off because she was never ever going to be a part of his future. We know that story.


Originally posted by FlashFan
What I don't get is, Jor-El has already restored Clark's life and powers. If this 'balance' has to be maintained, shouldn't the sacrificing party be dead already?
I mean, what did Jor-El do, give the Grim Reaper an I.O.U?

Great point.

[No-El]

Originally posted by Eh,Man?You-El?
The only character which would make "sense" to kill off to save Clark would be the Jor-El entity.
However, how much of "Smallville" ever really makes "sense"?

HEY! I just noticed! I've made it to KSite WHIZ!
(does that mean I'm CHEESE-Y? You can't see it but I'm holding up my hands in front of my chest and shaking them like "Wallace")
:lol:

Yeah!

By the way, I always liked that avatar of yours---that expression on Lex's face looks like it could be a "Batman villian type (joker/riddler/etc...) expression!!

I believe that was taken from the Season 4 episode 'Onyx' where Lex is split in two people---good/evil!!

Excellent

[snowblizzard]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Somebody Stop Me
Well if you look at some of the pics on K-site you will notice that Clark is wearing a bandaid.

I believe I mention this and it's a very small bandage actually if you watch carefully.



and why would you get rid of the most popular person on Smallville? And everyone else who learned his secret was bad so that's why they were killed.

Most popular on Smallville? Is that why Eriica Durance's name, without last year being a regular and having signed this year for only 13 episodes, has her neme AHEAD of Chloe's in the credits in the beginning..
Are you sure you're watching Smallville?

Alicia was killed off because she was never ever going to be a part of his future. We know that story.

I didn't say why she was killed. Only the way she was killed...

[Liriel]

Most popular on Smallville? Is that why Eriica Durance's name, without last year being a regular and having signed this year for only 13 episodes, has her neme AHEAD of Chloe's in the credits in the beginning..
Are you sure you're watching Smallville?

My understanding is that that's an alphabetical order thing.

And Chloe is certainly very popular. I won't say the most popular - I haven't done a poll of all SV watchers. But she is popular.

[SmallvilleMan]

You can't kill the dead, so jor-el isn't dying. It's going to be JK, chloe's not dying.

[All about Clark]

I think that Martha will get sick but will be saved because of Clark, and later Jonathan might die, but definitely Lionel dying. It will be the dads.

[Gan-EL: the last son]

Originally posted by Buzzhouse.com
I do think it will be the season finale and I think it will be Lana.

Clark has to start to move toward Lois and can't really do it with Lana around, thus the character needs to go. Plus with Lois as his love interest she doesn't really have a good place on the show to fill.

My guess is that Lex will have something to do with her death which will futher create the divide between them.

That all said, it could be Pa Kent as well -- just because he kicked it in the movie and all, but I think that's a cheap way out for the writers and I don't see them taking it.
hahaha lana?! She's alive and well in the comics, why would they kill her off?

Its probably either jonathan or chloe (jonathan because its happened in the superman mythos before, and chloe because she knows too much for a non comic character to have any future in the mythology)


Originally posted by Liriel
My understanding is that that's an alphabetical order thing.

And Chloe is certainly very popular. I won't say the most popular - I haven't done a poll of all SV watchers. But she is popular.

true she's popular, but sometimes death (TPTB) don't care about that.

[Liriel]

true she's popular, but sometimes death (TPTB) don't care about that.

Yes, but I think she might be too popular to kill. They might kill her, but not until the last half-dozen episodes. There are people who would quit watching.

Used to I thought maybe the season finale of the second-to-last season at the earliest, but I don't think they'll do an entire season without her.

[Somebody Stop Me]

TPTB are not as stupid as people make them out on this board. Yeah last year they made some mistakes that pissed people off but you learn from your mistakes and you don't make them a second time.

[Gan-EL: the last son]

Originally posted by Liriel
Yes, but I think she might be too popular to kill. They might kill her, but not until the last half-dozen episodes. There are people who would quit watching.

Used to I thought maybe the season finale of the second-to-last season at the earliest, but I don't think they'll do an entire season without her.

people would quit watching if she died?

she's not even a real character from the superman mythology (she's smallville's own creation) I think she's brought a lot to the show, but at the same time she's really taken a lot of things from characters who should have had more to do in the the story ( lana knowing his secret and pete being his best friend) Chloe kinda sidetracked a lot of what should have happened, its my hope they can fix that now, although now that she know's clark's secret, i don't see how she could hide that from lois like that unless something happened to her.

[Liriel]

Originally posted by Gan-EL: the last son
people would quit watching if she died?


Some people would. Not in droves, most likely, but some would. Myself included.



she's not even a real character from the superman mythology

And a lot of viewers don't read Supes comics and don't care. They care about the show, not something they've never read and never intend to read.

[SmallvilleMan]

I can't imagine someone liking the show to begin with just because of one character. I mean how can you say you like the show, if you only like the character? Point is, the main audience will still be there, chloe or no chloe.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by Liriel

And a lot of viewers don't read Supes comics and don't care. They care about the show, not something they've never read and never intend to read.

Amen brother. I have read the comics and probably have read them before allot users on this board were even born. To me the show is seperate from the comics. I could care less what used to go on in the comics. The writers are like musicians, they have wrote something from the original and added something to it. If your a musician you know what I'm talking about.

So who cares if Chloe wasn't in the comics. She is part of the Smallville universe. And unless their bringing someone else into the show who will add dialogue and banter with the main charactures, what do you think they will do? I guess elminate everyone then it wouldn't be much of a show.

[snowblizzard]

Originally posted by Liriel
My understanding is that that's an alphabetical order thing.

And Chloe is certainly very popular. I won't say the most popular - I haven't done a poll of all SV watchers. But she is popular.

If it was alphabetically than Erica Durance should have been first followed by John Glover. The credits are not written alphabetically. Not on this show anyway. Everything is carefully written, like even the guest stars....SPECIAL GUEST STAR, SPECIAL GUEST APPEARANCE, GUEST STAR.
Even in the credits...WITH Annette O'toole
AND John Schneider AS Jonathan Kent.
It's probably in their contracts, and probably pay cheques....
By the way Kristin Kruek received more votes than Evangelinne Lilly (both 24 years old) as the best emerging young female stars, and I'm proud to say both Canadian.....

Click Here.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272]|||weekly,00.html

This is the TV RATINGS page and this is where I saw the votes. About the shows, since someone asked me yesterday, that he couldn't find the site, I'd like him to show me after "HIDDEN" last week where is "SMALLVILLE" listed?.

WB doesn't even have a show in the top 20. Maybe "The Gilmore Girls" and "Supernatural"...No SMALLVILLE. Have u asked yourself why with an objective mind, open mind and forget who you, as one individual are attracted to on the show, because that's not how it works in show bussiness or even in sports...
I don't want to argue with anyone and I don't want the show to fail. I honestly like it. I'm just trying to think logically with an open mind. After all are we going to benefit financially from what they do with the show? Definatelly not. It's just entertaiment to take us away from the reality of the world around us for an hour a week and I really respect that.
Actually from each one of your point of view and as how you see it, we are all right. All of our ten fingers are not the same and if you have children, not all your children are the same but you love them all equally however. Smallville is like a family, why argue all the time. The bottom line is we all like the show; we just see a few details different but we all want the show to succeed. I think everyone should respect everyone's opinions and not argue with them because in our minds we are all right.

Keep this in mind...There is nothing more likely to drive a man mad, than the being unable to get rid of the idea of the
distinction between right and wrong, and an obstinate, constitutional preference of the true to the agreeable.

"Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations."

[MeteorFreak71]

Well, Al Gough talked to TV Guide and stated that the death will happen in the 100th episode, and not one, but two characters will die. Which means the one Jor-El referred to, and someone else, possibly another main character. I'm thinking Jonathan and Lionel. Jonathan: Heart Attack; Lionel: Murdered, possibly by Lex.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by snowblizzard
If it was alphabetically than Erica Durance should have been first followed by John Glover. The credits are not written alphabetically. Not on this show anyway. Everything is carefully written, like even the guest stars....SPECIAL GUEST STAR, SPECIAL GUEST APPEARANCE, GUEST STAR.
Even in the credits...WITH Annette O'toole
AND John Schneider AS Jonathan Kent.
It's probably in their contracts, and probably pay cheques....
By the way Kristin Kruek received more votes than Evangelinne Lilly (both 24 years old) as the best emerging young female stars, and I'm proud to say both Canadian.....

Click Here.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272]|||weekly,00.html

This is the TV RATINGS page and this is where I saw the votes. About the shows, since someone asked me yesterday, that he couldn't find the site, I'd like him to show me after "HIDDEN" last week where is "SMALLVILLE" listed?.

WB doesn't even have a show in the top 20. Maybe "The Gilmore Girls" and "Supernatural"...No SMALLVILLE. Have u asked yourself why with an objective mind, open mind and forget who you, as one individual are attracted to on the show, because that's not how it works in show bussiness or even in sports...
I don't want to argue with anyone and I don't want the show to fail. I honestly like it. I'm just trying to think logically with an open mind. After all are we going to benefit financially from what they do with the show? Definatelly not. It's just entertaiment to take us away from the reality of the world around us for an hour a week and I really respect that.
Actually from each one of your point of view and as how you see it, we are all right. All of our ten fingers are not the same and if you have children, not all your children are the same but you love them all equally however. Smallville is like a family, why argue all the time. The bottom line is we all like the show; we just see a few details different but we all want the show to succeed. I think everyone should respect everyone's opinions and not argue with them because in our minds we are all right.

Keep this in mind...There is nothing more likely to drive a man mad, than the being unable to get rid of the idea of the
distinction between right and wrong, and an obstinate, constitutional preference of the true to the agreeable.

"Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations."

Could you answer me a question? What does this have to do with the theory of who is going to die? Your rambling man. Stick to the topic.

[jayyjayy]

The only one that makes any sense to me is Bo Duke Kent. What would Chloe’s or Lana’s death etc have anything to do with Clark getting his powers back? So bear with me on why JK’s life force has to do with Clark’s Easter Sunday moment.

JorEl is the only one able to restore Clark. So whatever energy he had left, he gave a good chunk of it to keep Clark alive. So, now weakened, JorEl will probably fade out by the end of the season when he is fully depleted.

Now, they've established that JorEl can put his energy into others, like Jonathon and now Lionel.

Bo Kent has had health issues since his hookup with JorEl and my theory is that JorEl has been transferring life energy to him to help keep JK alive. Meaning, if JorEl dies, so will Bo and JorEl is aware of this.

By transferring his Krypton energy to Clark (which we saw), JorEl will fade eventually and JK toots his last General Lee horn when that happens. This makes at least some sense in terms of why, how and because. It fits with the normal ‘JKent dies’ canon and it redeems JorEl as a decent dude.

[IMHOTEP]

I think it will be Lionel. He is more expendable than Bo at the moment, and there can't be TWO magnificently evil Luthors, so with the rise of Evil!Lex, I think Lionel should be the one to go.

Or maybe it will be Jor-El, sacrificing whatever is left of his life force?

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by jayyjayy
The only one that makes any sense to me is Bo Duke Kent. What would Chloe’s or Lana’s death etc have anything to do with Clark getting his powers back? So bear with me on why JK’s life force has to do with Clark’s Easter Sunday moment.

JorEl is the only one able to restore Clark. So whatever energy he had left, he gave a good chunk of it to keep Clark alive. So, now weakened, JorEl will probably fade out by the end of the season when he is fully depleted.

Now, they've established that JorEl can put his energy into others, like Jonathon and now Lionel.

Bo Kent has had health issues since his hookup with JorEl and my theory is that JorEl has been transferring life energy to him to help keep JK alive. Meaning, if JorEl dies, so will Bo and JorEl is aware of this.

By transferring his Krypton energy to Clark (which we saw), JorEl will fade eventually and JK toots his last General Lee horn when that happens. This makes at least some sense in terms of why, how and because. It fits with the normal ‘JKent dies’ canon and it redeems JorEl as a decent dude.

Pay attention people. This is a good theory.


Originally posted by IMHOTEP
I think it will be Lionel. He is more expendable than Bo at the moment, and there can't be TWO magnificently evil Luthors, so with the rise of Evil!Lex, I think Lionel should be the one to go.

Or maybe it will be Jor-El, sacrificing whatever is left of his life force?

Al Gough said in the TV guide that there would be 2 deaths.

[snowblizzard]

Originally posted by Somebody Stop Me
Could you answer me a question? What does this have to do with the theory of who is going to die? Your rambling man. Stick to the topic.

Hey dude...I'm answering to the fellow above, so I am on the topic unless he's not....I'm trying to be nice and you prove my reasoning....but I think you won't understand. It flew by you and over you...

[jayyjayy]

Al Gough said there would be 2 deaths? In that case, who is the other person that has been sick, miraculously cured and been associated with JorEl's power?

Right, Lionel. If JorEl's life force dissipates, then that spells the end for JK and Lionel in a single bound if the theory holds.

BTW thanks for the props SSMe.

[jag5311]

I am not going through the 10 pages of comments here, but I just remembered something about Lois that nobody has brought up.

Lois WILL NOT be one who dies (for those in the minority that thinks she will)

In season 4, when it's a scene around the kitchen table, Lois says, "I just had a weird dream, or a guy in a red cape...weird"

She won't die because of that statement.

[Gan-EL: the last son]

Originally posted by MeteorFreak71
Well, Al Gough talked to TV Guide and stated that the death will happen in the 100th episode, and not one, but two characters will die. Which means the one Jor-El referred to, and someone else, possibly another main character. I'm thinking Jonathan and Lionel. Jonathan: Heart Attack; Lionel: Murdered, possibly by Lex.

or lex could go on a killing spree and off his father and chloe ;) :eek:

Originally posted by Somebody Stop Me

So who cares if Chloe wasn't in the comics. She is part of the Smallville universe. And unless their bringing someone else into the show who will add dialogue and banter with the main charactures, what do you think they will do? I guess elminate everyone then it wouldn't be much of a show.
while smallville is its own entity, it doesn't mean things in the show will stray blindly away from the comics just because smallville is something all its own. Personally i think killing chloe makes the most sense, although it might be jonathan, i seriously hope it isn't.


Originally posted by Liriel
Some people would. Not in droves, most likely, but some would. Myself included.




And a lot of viewers don't read Supes comics and don't care. They care about the show, not something they've never read and never intend to read.

true, but to expect a character who has no history before this show to stay no matter what is kinda wishful thinking then.


Originally posted by jag5311


Lois WILL NOT be one who dies (for those in the minority that thinks she will)

In season 4, when it's a scene around the kitchen table, Lois says, "I just had a weird dream, or a guy in a red cape...weird"

She won't die because of that statement.
lol, no . . she won't die because years later she marries clark when he's superman . . . .:p


Originally posted by SmallvilleMan
I can't imagine someone liking the show to begin with just because of one character. I mean how can you say you like the show, if you only like the character? Point is, the main audience will still be there, chloe or no chloe.
that's my theory ;)

[cmgames]

So we all now in agreement about who's going to die so it leads me onto the next question:

How's Chloe going to die? Stabbed in the heart, shot to the head, heart attack..................... how do we all want to see Chloe go?

[Gan-EL: the last son]

Originally posted by cmgames
So we all now in agreement about who's going to die so it leads me onto the next question:

How's Chloe going to die? Stabbed in the heart, shot to the head, heart attack..................... how do well all want to see Chloe to go?

I'd like to see her going out with a bang (no . . not a gun shot) If anything i would like to see her sacrifice herself to protect clark. Doing that would do her character the ultimate justice :)

[hyped1]

The answer is YES! After 10 pages of hypothesizing I think WE, or at least someone must have nailed it by now!

Someone WILL DIE and it must be someone we named already...since even Krypto/Shelby has been named!

Good job everyone! Take 5 and we will reconvene tomorrow after we see Aquaman's token superhero appearance!

[ClarksGirl21]

jonathan

[FotW]

I don't think any one will die at all. I think it was a Brianic lie or scheme to scare Clark. ( Or a scheme to make us tune in to Smallville every week.)
But, if Jor-El is really ruthless, he may kill Chloe because she was the reason Clark left the Fortress in the first place.
This would also explain why Chloe is not in Superman's future as we know it from comics and movies.
So far the best idea I've read here is that Jor-El gave his life force for his son. A human life force isn't equal to a Kryptonian's ( alien life force) in my opinion and so the Jor-El theory makes the most sense.

[Gr8stNonKryptonianHero]

Instead of killing Chloe I'd like to see an episode where she has the same abilities as Clark temporarily

[Ranger]

Originally posted by jag5311
Lois WILL NOT be one who dies (for those in the minority that thinks she will)

In season 4, when it's a scene around the kitchen table, Lois says, "I just had a weird dream, or a guy in a red cape...weird"

She won't die because of that statement.

I hate to point out but although I don't think Lois will be the one to go I don't think it'll be for that reason. If you recall TPTB said they were dropping level 33.1 so just because we've had allusions to red capes doesn't mean that they are going to stick to it. If they want a different spin, like Chlois they'll do it.

That being said my picks are JK, Chloe or Lana. Now Chloe doesn't have a place in cannon and JK dies so we know both of them don't really have a guaranteed future. Lana on the otherhand we know Clark loves, and may I point out that "death" in SV is rather flexible, so Lana could die, come back again somehow.

Now my problem with the Lionel theory is that Clark doesn't love Lionel so I can't see him being the one, I do like the JK and Lionel both tied into Jor-El theory though. Perhaps it was JKs energy which brought Clark back to life though, not Jor-El's. In which case JK could be even less healthy then before and die because of it.

I don't think anything will really happen for a while though, other then this getting on Clark's consience. It'll probably be like S3 where it comes back for the finale.

[smallvillerox05]

Most popular on Smallville? Is that why Eriica Durance's name, without last year being a regular and having signed this year for only 13 episodes, has her neme AHEAD of Chloe's in the credits in the beginning..
Are you sure you're watching Smallville?
Erica took the same spot Eric Johnson and Jensen Ackles had. It's called being consistent. :p Besides, what in the world difference is that? A few seconds. Why is the placement in the credits so darn important? It's not like people change channels after they see Erica. ;) Also, what would the opinion of the FANS matter in her placement in the credits? Isn't that an EXECUTIVE DECISION?

You can't kill the dead, so jor-el isn't dying. It's going to be JK, chloe's not dying.
I hate this reason for the simple fact that if Jor-El has REALLY been dead all this time, then who the heck has Terrence Stamp (and John Glover) been portraying all this time?! If he has some kind of A.I. left based on him, then he is still alive (possibly altered, but his spirit is alive). How else could all these things (like Jonathan getting powers and strangled, Clark getting tattooed, all those talks with Clark). And if you say "The Eradicator", then the only thing that changes in that theory is that the Eradicator sacraficed himself instead of Jor-El. ;)

TPTB are not as stupid as people make them out on this board. Yeah last year they made some mistakes that pissed people off but you learn from your mistakes and you don't make them a second time.
*nods head enthusiastically*

The only one that makes any sense to me is Bo Duke Kent. What would Chloe’s or Lana’s death etc have anything to do with Clark getting his powers back? So bear with me on why JK’s life force has to do with Clark’s Easter Sunday moment.

JorEl is the only one able to restore Clark. So whatever energy he had left, he gave a good chunk of it to keep Clark alive. So, now weakened, JorEl will probably fade out by the end of the season when he is fully depleted.

Now, they've established that JorEl can put his energy into others, like Jonathon and now Lionel.

Bo Kent has had health issues since his hookup with JorEl and my theory is that JorEl has been transferring life energy to him to help keep JK alive. Meaning, if JorEl dies, so will Bo and JorEl is aware of this.

By transferring his Krypton energy to Clark (which we saw), JorEl will fade eventually and JK toots his last General Lee horn when that happens. This makes at least some sense in terms of why, how and because. It fits with the normal ‘JKent dies’ canon and it redeems JorEl as a decent dude.
I believe this more than anything else I've read here. Well, except my own theory that says Jor-El sacraficed himself, of course. :p

So far the best idea I've read here is that Jor-El gave his life force for his son. A human life force isn't equal to a Kryptonian's ( alien life force) in my opinion and so the Jor-El theory makes the most sense.
Yeah, I'm one of the main proponents of that theory. :)

[Ultron]

Oh no, it'll be Aquaman!

[shy175223]

i suppose you 'll think he will in Aqua, right?

[dwgebler]

The Jor-El theory makes no sense to me...I've watched that scene over 10 times and Jor-El's words were (to me) completely literal and also unambiguous. Someone Clark loves will die, i.e. an actual person. Why would he not have said to Clark "MY life will be exchanged for yours", if that's what he meant.

It's looking highly unlikely that any of the theories suggesting that it is not an actual death that occurs are accurate.

Also, just read the spoilers page if you do want more clarity on what will happen - obviously I won't post the info on a forum that is not for spoilers, but have a look if you're interested.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by Kal-El22
It's going to be Jonathan.

I'm going to say Jonathan too. I have such a hard time though with someone dying and it being Clark's fault.....
Seems he is growing up feeling very responsible for a lot of sorrow and I don't remember him doing this in the comics. He didn't grow up feeling responsible for a death, in Superman the Movie he was angry he couldn't save his father but it wasn't his fault. I wish they hadn't made it this way in Smallville. Makes for a very sad Clark I would think.

[Quadrotriticale]

Originally posted by dwgebler
The Jor-El theory makes no sense to me...I've watched that scene over 10 times and Jor-El's words were (to me) completely literal and also unambiguous. Someone Clark loves will die, i.e. an actual person. Why would he not have said to Clark "MY life will be exchanged for yours", if that's what he meant.

It's looking highly unlikely that any of the theories suggesting that it is not an actual death that occurs are accurate.

Also, just read the spoilers page if you do want more clarity on what will happen - obviously I won't post the info on a forum that is not for spoilers, but have a look if you're interested.

Keep in mind these writers aren't exactly that great so I wouldn't read into it too much. If they decide to make it Jor-el, they will. As for spoilers, they've been wrong before too.

[dwgebler]

Originally posted by Quadrotriticale
Keep in mind these writers aren't exactly that great so I wouldn't read into it too much. If they decide to make it Jor-el, they will. As for spoilers, they've been wrong before too.

Well I know that we are all aware Smallville can sometimes be lacking in complete consistency and yes, spoilers are sometimes way off what is actually aired, but they are usually accurate in giving you a general idea of what will happen, just minus specifics/details. However, there is a difference between lacking in consistency and completely changing the course of what's happened previously in the show.

Given the scene, I believe it would be very difficult to make it Jor-El who 'dies' and the whole thing still seem plausible.
The point I'm trying to make is that several people have suggested, in one theory or another, that Jor-El is somehow being metaphorical in his warning to Clark. There is a huge difference between speaking in metaphor and what happened in the FOS in Hidden.

If it were Jor-El who 'died', or Lex's / Clark's humanity, Jor-El's words in Hidden would not have been metaphor for this event, just grossly inaccurate. Jor-El stated unequivocally that someone Clark loves will die, in order to balance a conceptual scale of the universe and that he was about to face his 'darkest hour'. The part about facing the 'darkest hour' was clearly in reference to the aforementioned death. I don't see how any of this can add up to be taken anything other than literally.

I would wager any amount of money that the death will not be metaphorical, but that it will actually be a character who dies. For good, i.e. no longer in the show.

Of course, I take the point made by Quadrotriticale above and if the writers really want it to be Jor-El or any of the other 'non-death' theories, they will find or invent a way to make it work as best as is possible. I could be wrong and I accept that as a possibility, but I cannot change my point of view that there is nothing to suggest any of those theories are correct, or in any way likely. To me, the evidence points to the contrary.

I think sometimes, people like to try and find some hidden depth/analogy/metaphor/message where there just isn't any. I believe the scene between Jor-El and Clark in the FOS was supposed to mean exactly what it sounded like.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by Gan-EL: the last son

while smallville is its own entity, it doesn't mean things in the show will stray blindly away from the comics just because smallville is something all its own.

So you don't think that bringing Lois to Smallville before thay met in Metropolis straying blindly from the comics?

Whhaatever!!! Bringin Lois to Smallville is straying so far from the comics that it's like a big ole stray dog that's jumped right in your lap after he's been outside running in the mud and jumps up in your lap while your sitting on your favorite couch watching TV and eating chili.

[SteveS]

I understand the arguments above but for myself I think that it will be the Jor-El/Lionel combo that dies leaving both Lex and ClarkMan to progress to their respective destinies on the own.

[smallvillerox05]

If the entire essence of the AI of Jor-El was eliminated, then it would be a death. Not metaphorical, but literal. Especially since Jor-El possessed Lionel. Also, Clark would be facing extremely dark hours if Jor-El wasn't there to help him.