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Shalamarke

10-13-2005, 09:43 PM

Why dont you dis the superman movies too if you want to think about what Superman can or cannot do in SPACE....

They went way over budget on Arrival... We normally DONT GET stuff like this outside of season premieres and finales... For goodness sake, I dont even think its a SWEEPS month!! I think sometimes there are people who cannot be pleased by anything.

Tacosupes

10-13-2005, 09:55 PM

Dude , he flew. FLEW. The SFX rules in this ep. Now hush.

Look, only superman in that crappy recent channel eleven series needs to breathe in space. The one Paul Dini and Bruce Tim produced. It sucks. The only thing cool that team ever did was Batman Beyond.

The old-school Superman could breathe in space. He could do it in all the comics. the Paul Dini version needs a spacesuit to fly in space, very gay.

Check out Superman the movie one, he flies in space, and changes the earths rotation to rewind time(crazy I know, but he can do it). And in Superman Four , he fights his evil Clone on the moon, with no BREATHING apparatus in sight. Clark is not human ok, his body needs oxygen way less than a human. He's more like a battery that holds its charge for a really long time.

Ultron

10-14-2005, 01:52 AM

He didn't actually change the Earth's rotation or make it go backwards. That was him going back in time. I was confused about it too, at first.

Clark doesn't need to breath like we do. His physiology can survive without breathing for a very long time. And otherwise, he can easily survive the rigors of space.

And yeah, the effects of him flying up to the rocket were spectacular.

LOONEY

10-14-2005, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Ultron
He didn't actually change the Earth's rotation or make it go backwards. That was him going back in time. I was confused about it too, at first.

Clark doesn't need to breath like we do. His physiology can survive without breathing for a very long time. And otherwise, he can easily survive the rigors of space.

And yeah, the effects of him flying up to the rocket were spectacular.
Uh i just watched the Superman movie and he reverses time...the whole scene goes backwards like rewinding a tape on the vcr...the water shows it rolling back to the dam and everything...
Clark can't time travel ..... ever!!!!!!!!!
the scene was the greatest tho.....i jumped up out of my chair.... spectacular:D :D :D

Kryptomaniac

10-14-2005, 03:24 AM

DISAGREE! IMO the FX rocked. Great CG.

Ultron

10-14-2005, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by LOONEY
Uh i just watched the Superman movie and he reverses time...the whole scene goes backwards like rewinding a tape on the vcr...the water shows it rolling back to the dam and everything...
Clark can't time travel ..... ever!!!!!!!!!
the scene was the greatest tho.....i jumped up out of my chair.... spectacular:D :D :D

He didn't reverse time, he travelled back in it. Since you're travelling back in time with Superman you see how things "back up."

I've seen it explained before. Also in the comics we've seen Superman/the Flash move through time in such a fashion before (though typically it was with a super treadmill that they've also used to travel to other dimensions). Well, pre-Crisis, anyways. Which was when the Superman movie took place.

BuZzArD 8012

10-14-2005, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by hahnyc87
he still needs oxygen

No he doesn't....what happen in "Crusade"? He was flying in outer space.

runningwithscissors

10-14-2005, 07:27 AM

The CE's were solid! Ok, we all have to remember, they don't have a year to perfect a CE sequence and most shows have an extremely tight budget.

On the breathing thing, I have to think, if you are flying that fast, it doesn't matter if you are in the strophosphere or in space, you wouldn't be able to breathe!

Hydra

10-14-2005, 09:43 AM

He still has to breath, but he can hold his breath for an extended period of time. What's the gripe?

BuZzArD 8012

10-14-2005, 11:18 AM

I still don't believe Kryptonians breath when there in outer space.

JTKB44

10-14-2005, 12:15 PM

I remember in the Lois and Clark Adventures that Superman had to stop a meteor and he told someone that he can hold his breath for 20 minutes i think.

hahnyc87

10-14-2005, 12:25 PM

i remember that ep of L&C also... he did say about 20 minutes but they gave him oxygen just in case didnt they? or was it just a video cam

ImzadiJedi

10-14-2005, 12:30 PM

I had no problem with Clark being in 'outer space' or outside of the earth's atmosphere. He's Superman.

Mr. E

10-14-2005, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by hahnyc87
he still needs oxygen

How do you know?

SaturdaySaint

10-14-2005, 01:40 PM

Clark was more likely in the upper atmosphere. If you watch video of Shuttle launches, the upper atmosphere still looks rather like space... there is air, but very limited amounts. PLUS, the bomb explosion could have been a calculated timer, proximity explosion, or a number of other things... But something that I've also realized... this is based on comic book physics. If you worry about if he's breathing in space, look at every episode where a normal human (i.e. Jonathan, Martha, Lex, Chloe, etc.) gets thrown by a meteor freak into a concrete wall, or a through a wall for that matter... and next episode, not really showing any signs of being injured. Just, for an hour, I'm glad that I can sit back, suspend my belief in real world physics, and enjoy some kickbutt tv.

/my 2 cents

youwantoblivion

10-14-2005, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Schwinn2010
And why would the bomb go off? It depends on the missle type, but I didn't think they exploded unless they hit their target, meaning the coordinates it is destined for. Did it hit an asteroid maybe?

Ok, so yeah I'm a major geek, and I'm deffinately showing my geekness. When the nuclear bomb was created, it was created to be detinated over the area at a certain specified time. So, the FX guys got it right, it would explode at 00:00:00, and no there most likely wouldnt be a sound, but hey has anyone ever detinated a nuke in space? so no one really knows...

hahnyc87

10-14-2005, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by youwantoblivion
Ok, so yeah I'm a major geek, and I'm deffinately showing my geekness. When the nuclear bomb was created, it was created to be detinated over the area at a certain specified time. So, the FX guys got it right, it would explode at 00:00:00, and no there most likely wouldnt be a sound, but hey has anyone ever detinated a nuke in space? so no one really knows...

your obviously not as big of a geek as you claim... Simple physics says that you hear NOTHING in space. Sound waves bounce off of air molecules. Space is a vacuum, there is nothing there. Therefore sound has nothing to bounce off of and you hear NOTHING. If you get a vacuum chamber and put a cell phone in there. Call the cell phone, it will ring. Now turn on the vacuum and suck out the air. You will no longer hear the phone ringing. I obviously dont expect you do get a vacuum chamber but that is what would happened. THERE IS NO SOUND IN SPACE

youwantoblivion

10-14-2005, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by hahnyc87
your obviously not as big of a geek as you claim... Simple physics says that you hear NOTHING in space. Sound waves bounce off of air molecules. Space is a vacuum, there is nothing there. Therefore sound has nothing to bounce off of and you hear NOTHING. If you get a vacuum chamber and put a cell phone in there. Call the cell phone, it will ring. Now turn on the vacuum and suck out the air. You will no longer hear the phone ringing. I obviously dont expect you do get a vacuum chamber but that is what would happened. THERE IS NO SOUND IN SPACE

Dude, take a chill pill, its called being fecicious. I know there is no sound in space, its in a vacuum as you said. My main point was about the explosion of the nuke in space and it not having to hit anything to explode.

kostaki00

10-14-2005, 11:11 PM

I think he jumped guys

Mr. E

10-16-2005, 01:05 AM

It seemed more like a tremor than sound. The sound was probably the base vibrating.

kwameade

10-16-2005, 08:11 AM

Did you guys forget Superman II. Zod and his disciples were talking on the moon, they had their powers and obviously no problems breathing since they flew to earth. The idea isn't too absurd if they use this idea from the movie.

Devoted to Clark

10-16-2005, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Shalamarke
Why dont you dis the superman movies too if you want to think about what Superman can or cannot do in SPACE....

They went way over budget on Arrival... We normally DONT GET stuff like this outside of season premieres and finales... For goodness sake, I dont even think its a SWEEPS month!! I think sometimes there are people who cannot be pleased by anything.

Amen, Shalamarke...AMEN!!

norman619

10-16-2005, 09:00 AM

A space born alien maybe but Clark is born in an atmosphere which means his body needs to metabolize gases for his body functions. Alien does not mean they are not subject to the same or similar bio needs all other biological life forms. But we have to remember we often see these super types talking in space too. LOL The writers of these shows seem to have no understanding of many physical realities or hope the viewers are too cluless to notice. They can make this show more based in reality and still make it a fun show. God how I hated the whole "magic" crap last season.

Originally posted by chrismalicdem05
ha i thoguth it ws cool, i kinda just supsend disbelief cuz hes an alien, maybe aliens c oudl breath in outer space, he flew in seaosn 4 to outerspace and he was fine also

Sorry but yes it is still incredibly rediculous. I understand many of these stupid things they do for the entertainment value or dramatic effect but it's still rediculous. Sound can not propagate through a vacuum no matter how super you are sound is still sound. LOL

Originally posted by kwameade
Did you guys forget Superman II. Zod and his disciples were talking on the moon, they had their powers and obviously no problems breathing since they flew to earth. The idea isn't too absurd if they use this idea from the movie.

SaturdaySaint

10-16-2005, 09:00 AM

I thought that my post posed a plausible explaination. Maybe not... oh well.

norman619

10-16-2005, 09:14 AM

Yeah the whole norman human being turned into a wrecking ball bugs me alot. But I know they do it cuz it looks cool and all. Plus it wouldn't do to have people splatter against walls. Yes comicbook phys should stay in the comics. This is not a comicbook. This is a live action show. Which is why I feel the whole cape and tights/spandex thing is sooo gay looking in the live action Superman shows/movies. LOL What works for comics does not always work well in live action. I wish the powers that be would understand that. Like come on how stupid would the X-Men movies be if they had them wearing their comicbook costumes? I was amazed they let Wolverine use his claws on people!

Originally posted by SaturdaySaint
Clark was more likely in the upper atmosphere. If you watch video of Shuttle launches, the upper atmosphere still looks rather like space... there is air, but very limited amounts. PLUS, the bomb explosion could have been a calculated timer, proximity explosion, or a number of other things... But something that I've also realized... this is based on comic book physics. If you worry about if he's breathing in space, look at every episode where a normal human (i.e. Jonathan, Martha, Lex, Chloe, etc.) gets thrown by a meteor freak into a concrete wall, or a through a wall for that matter... and next episode, not really showing any signs of being injured. Just, for an hour, I'm glad that I can sit back, suspend my belief in real world physics, and enjoy some kickbutt tv.

/my 2 cents

SaturdaySaint

10-16-2005, 09:28 AM

Well, I think that the comic book physics are fine for tv. But I agree with you to an extent on the costumes...thats why Batman always wears armor instead of tights (except, Batman: Dead End mad a good example of how tights CAN work). But they've toned down the comic book physics a little cause, in the comics, when someone would be thrown to a wall...they wouldn't bounce off of it, they'd go through it and just cough when they were trying to stand up. Again, this show is based on a universe where a man can run so fast that he taps into a "speed force", Martians are real, and magic spells work just because you say what you want to happen by saying it backwards... It's a fantasy show, and that's what I love about it!

sirconical

10-16-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Mr. E
It seemed more like a tremor than sound. The sound was probably the base vibrating.

The bomb went off before that scene didn't it? I assumed that tremor was Clark/Disarmed bomb hitting the floor.

Sydafex7

10-16-2005, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by hahnyc87
They should know that clark would have trouble breathing.... plus you cant hear anything in outer space

Ever seen Star Wars?? You cares if you cant hear anything in outerspace, it makes for a much cooler scene. How boring would Star wars be with no sound? Sound has been used in television and movies with space for ages. Smallville's no difference.

About the whole breathing thing, I dont think Clark can die from holding his breath. As far as I know, his only weakness is Kryptonite.

Mr. E

10-16-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by sirconical
The bomb went off before that scene didn't it? I assumed that tremor was Clark/Disarmed bomb hitting the floor.
Yeah actually, right after I posted I watched it again. Guess I only remembered the room shaking. My mistake.;)

I_love_smallville91

10-17-2005, 04:45 PM

So did he fly or NOT?!?!?!

gloria

10-17-2005, 05:16 PM

nah i think he jumped..cause if he flew why did he need to climb up the missle to get to the head?

Ultron

10-20-2005, 04:04 AM

I don't think he's mastered flight, but clearly he had some extra propulsion with his jump, as clearly seen by the same energy effects around him as in the last time he flew. I think he could have merely jumped and quite possibly missed the target. But subconciously he used his ability to fly to a) help him take off and b) ensure he made it to the rocket.

Sydafex7

10-20-2005, 11:12 PM

He definitely jumped, but I think its like his speed. In some situations we have seen him run faster than he ever has before. TPTB do this to show us that even though he may not be getting any new powers, the ones he already has are getting stronger as he gets older. He never was as fast as he now in the first season. He never wouldve been able to do what he did in Jinx when he was 15.

The same goes for the super jump. We've never seen him jump straight up, he's always leaped. This time it showed us his abilities are getting stronger as he gets older. The Jump we saw will evolve into flight, but hes not quite there yet. Basically, I think we saw his "Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" power. lol. We've never seen this before at all.

sirconical

10-21-2005, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Basically, I think we saw his "Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" power. lol. We've never seen this before at all. Yeah! Except in Insurgence where he... leapt tall buildings in a single bound.

norman619

10-21-2005, 06:52 AM

Star Warts is not my favorite. In my opinion it's a pretty ;ame scifi movie series. Count this and the force that. They are even more inconsistant than in Smallville. And if you remember they did have one scene be technically accurate. When Bobo was chasing Obe in the asteroids and fired a missile at him. I give Lucas props for trying but as a whole the series sux.

And yes he can die from hold his breath. LOL you are saying he's not a living being? Or you saying her is like a plant and gets all he needs via radiation on his skin? His only weakness is only based on what others can do to him. He can kill himself like anyone else. HE can hold his breath alot longer than us simple humans. Just like whales. And just like whales he will need to take a breath after a while.

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Ever seen Star Wars?? You cares if you cant hear anything in outerspace, it makes for a much cooler scene. How boring would Star wars be with no sound? Sound has been used in television and movies with space for ages. Smallville's no difference.

About the whole breathing thing, I dont think Clark can die from holding his breath. As far as I know, his only weakness is Kryptonite.

superman05

10-21-2005, 10:40 AM

clark doesnt need oxygen before u rip into some one know ur facts first clark breathes becuase thats wa humans do so he doesnt want to look out of place. als the bomb would have gone off becuase it wasnt detonated!

Sydafex7

10-21-2005, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by sirconical
Yeah! Except in Insurgence where he... leapt tall buildings in a single bound.

No... he didnt leap a tall building. He was already ON TOP OF THE TALL BUILDING. He jumped distance, not height. Here we see him for the first time jump straight up... like I already said in my other post.. IN Lucy he did the same thing, he jumped a distance, but he didnt jump straight up..

SmalliesMatt

10-25-2005, 12:12 PM

if you call this effects dissapointing then please dnt watch...
cauz they are AWESOME!!!

sirconical

10-26-2005, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Sydafex7
No... he didnt leap a tall building. He was already ON TOP OF THE TALL BUILDING. He jumped distance, not height. Here we see him for the first time jump straight up... like I already said in my other post.. IN Lucy he did the same thing, he jumped a distance, but he didnt jump straight up.. I think "able to leap tall buildings" can be translated a few ways. For instance, I think if they meant it literally how you're saying it, they might've said able to leap OVER tall buildings. They don't say over, from, to, anything like that. Therefore it's open to independant translation. I choose to translate it my way, you translate it yours.

norman619

10-27-2005, 04:58 PM

Ummmm... no he needs to breath. LOL Doesn't want to look out of place? Give me a break. Nukes don't just go off cuz they weren't detonated. LOL If that were true all our nukes would be going off cuz last I checked they haven't detonated yet. Nukes aren't on timers. Altimiters maybe but not timers. And some are designed like all other missiles and detonate on impact. I suggest you rethink what you just posted LOL. All the crap we saw on that ep was for show. For the coolness factor.

Originally posted by superman05
clark doesnt need oxygen before u rip into some one know ur facts first clark breathes becuase thats wa humans do so he doesnt want to look out of place. als the bomb would have gone off becuase it wasnt detonated!