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Danelle

10-06-2005, 11:28 PM

I look forward to Evil Lex, but I'll really miss Clex if it's gone. The Clark/Lex aspect of the show was the whole reason I started watching it, I'll be sad when it's changed forever. :(

But yeah, Lex is my favorite character on the show (nay, on television in general, he's so great/complex/interesting), but when Clark punched him, I couldn't help but to go "Awesome!" ...Because it was awesome! And I thought it was awesome when Clark went in for his third punch and Lex blocked it, and decked Clark right back! Man, that fight was SO good! Needless to say it was a turn-on. :rotfl:

smoky

10-06-2005, 11:32 PM

It sure looked & sounded like the end of their friendship.

vyperman7

10-06-2005, 11:44 PM

Great, great, fight.

Hopefully it is the end of the friendship. Not because I dislike the Clex mind you, but it is kind of hard to repair a friendship after the two people involved beat the crap out of each other. It would make no sense for the friendship to be fixed again. Hopefully this will start the downturn now.

Although, I still feel it was rushed to get Lex to this point. I still feel they never showed enough over the course of the show to have Lex in this point right now. Some people will disagree, but it felt like a lightswitch to me, especially with "I am the son you always wanted" in Commencement.

OneWayFilms

10-06-2005, 11:49 PM

I was always afraid of Clark and Lex becoming enimies because they made such great friends. However, tonight I must admit....it's time! That fight scene was AWESOME and it now signifies the end of a friendship and the start of a NEW feud.

Man, SMALLVILLE ROCKS!

Danelle

10-06-2005, 11:52 PM

vyperman7

10-06-2005, 11:54 PM

Level 33.1 was the perfect way to do it. Unfortunately, the one storyline from season four that Lex could call his own, was scrapped by the writers.

F-Stop Blues

10-06-2005, 11:55 PM

I dont see how there friendship can be repaired now and I am really happy about that becuase it means that if lexana happens, it wont be the cause of their rift.

chrismen

10-06-2005, 11:57 PM

I loved how they did it but I seriously doubt that it is the end of the friendship. I wish it was so it is more important and we do not see the same old thing again next season.

F-Stop Blues

10-06-2005, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by vyperman7
Level 33.1 was the perfect way to do it. Unfortunately, the one storyline from season four that Lex could call his own, was scrapped by the writers.

But will it be scrapped? I was thinking about this throught mortal. Why have an entire ep devoted to level 3 or 33.1 just to scrap it? you know what I mean?

vyperman7

10-07-2005, 12:01 AM

I was thinking that as well Parker. But then I figured that it was just used as a plot device for the one episode. It does fit in with Level 33.1, especially with how Jinx ended to have it be a breeding ground to make FOTW's stronger. Only time will tell...

Danelle

10-07-2005, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I dont see how there friendship can be repaired now and I am really happy about that becuase it means that if lexana happens, it wont be the cause of their rift.

I agree here. God forbid Lexana ever happens, but I was always afraid TPTB would make something Lana-related be a direct cause of the Clex friendship being broken up or Lex's turn to the dark side. That's just wrong!

MBCorp

10-07-2005, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by vyperman7
Although, I still feel it was rushed to get Lex to this point. I still feel they never showed enough over the course of the show to have Lex in this point right now. Some people will disagree, but it felt like a lightswitch to me, especially with "I am the son you always wanted" in Commencement.

I agree. It's like they suddenly realized that Lex should be evil...so bam! now he's evil.

But will it be scrapped? I was thinking about this throught mortal. Why have an entire ep devoted to level 3 or 33.1 just to scrap it? you know what I mean?

I was wondering the very exact same thing, but I don't want to get my hopes up about it.

I look forward to Evil Lex, but I'll really miss Clex if it's gone. The Clark/Lex aspect of the show was the whole reason I started watching it, I'll be sad when it's changed forever.

Yeah, I feel the same way. Awesome fight, but I'm sad that the Clex friendship is now gone.

Glad though that the rift wasn't because of Lana and instead was because of...well, I guess alot of other things.

Switchback

10-07-2005, 05:32 AM

I think you guys are missing a small detail about something that happened in Onyx about Lex's sudden change of good to bad. So yeah Clark used black kryptonite to make the two Lex's joined again but remember how the bad Lex would do that smirk thing when he would do something bad? Well after the two came together and he was acting like he didn't know what he had done while the two were seperated...I believe he was really just acting. When Lionel had his say with him at the end of Onyx....he done that evil smirk thing then the screen went black with the credits. I got the impression that the bad Lex was there to stay. And thus far my impression has been correct. And Commencement was just the way of putting icing on the cake.

Now, as for the question at hand regarding the fight scene in Mortal. I believe it was well done yet very unrealistic. I guess I would have been pretty upset too to know someone was testing me like that with such high risks at stake. BUT don't forget...this is Lex Luthor, the very very rich Lex Luthor. You can't just barge in there and sucker punch him without any consequences. By today's standards that would be like walking into Donald Trumps office and doing the same. Your butt would be so far under the jail it would be pitiful.

Beautifully executed though...and the point was very much gotten across. I feel it is definatly the death seal of a friendship...also anchored by what he told Lana about "saying goodbye to an OLD friend".

sirconical

10-07-2005, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by Switchback
I think you guys are missing a small detail about something that happened in Onyx about Lex's sudden change of good to bad. So yeah Clark used black kryptonite to make the two Lex's joined again but remember how the bad Lex would do that smirk thing when he would do something bad? Well after the two came together and he was acting like he didn't know what he had done while the two were seperated...I believe he was really just acting. When Lionel had his say with him at the end of Onyx....he done that evil smirk thing then the screen went black with the credits. I got the impression that the bad Lex was there to stay. And thus far my impression has been correct. And Commencement was just the way of putting icing on the cake.

I never noticed that. I'm watching Oynx straight away! Well the end anyway. I watched it too recently to watch the whole episode again.
I also think it's worth mentioning that Lex approached Clark in his house in Arrival and asked him if he was his friend to tell him the truth about where he was, even when he KNEW Clark was there. He turned and walked away without saying anything. He was probably feeling like their was definitely no trust between them, and in his warped sense of reality (because it is a bit warped), that it was a sign of hostility or agression or something. When you've been hurt by someone your feelings can drastically change, so I'm quite comfortable with the sudden behaviour.

Originally posted by Switchback
Now, as for the question at hand regarding the fight scene in Mortal. I believe it was well done yet very unrealistic. I guess I would have been pretty upset too to know someone was testing me like that with such high risks at stake. BUT don't forget...this is Lex Luthor, the very very rich Lex Luthor. You can't just barge in there and sucker punch him without any consequences. By today's standards that would be like walking into Donald Trumps office and doing the same. Your butt would be so far under the jail it would be pitiful.

Ahhh, yes, but I reckon Lex wants to put himself in Clark's way to a certain extent. I haven't seen the episode yet (I'm in the UK), but I'm guessing Lex has been testing Clark, and Clark is fighting with him about that.
Lex obviously wouldn't want him to find out about the testing, but since he has done, he's going to want to try his best to keep the situation as calm as possible. That way he can maintain further chances of being close enough to study him.

Originally posted by Switchback
Beautifully executed though...and the point was very much gotten across. I feel it is definatly the death seal of a friendship...also anchored by what he told Lana about "saying goodbye to an OLD friend".

I can't wait!

Kal EL2380

10-07-2005, 06:09 AM

In Season 4's opener. Clark punches the black kryptonite into Kal-El. It then seems that since Clark was holding the Black kryptonite Kal-El was absorbed into him. Maybe "the half" that is holding the black K becomes the dominate part. In Onyx Alexander had the Kryptonite ring. Since he was wearing it, good Lex was absorbed into Alexander. This made Alexander the dominate half. That is my theory on why there was a sudden change in Lex. Anyone else agree?

FOG

10-07-2005, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Kal EL2380
In Season 4's opener. Clark punches the black kryptonite into Kal-El. It then seems that since Clark was holding the Black kryptonite Kal-El was absorbed into him. Maybe "the half" that is holding the black K becomes the dominate part. In Onyx Alexander had the Kryptonite ring. Since he was wearing it, good Lex was absorbed into Alexander. This made Alexander the dominate half. That is my theory on why there was a sudden change in Lex. Anyone else agree?

Ya, I agree I always thought Lex turned a little more evil after Onyx.

sirconical

10-07-2005, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by FOG
Ya, I agree I always thought Lex turned a little more evil after Onyx.

Yeah I always thought he'd turned more evil since then too, but I hadn't considered that who was holding the black K made any difference to which side dominates. Smashing theory, gromit (kal-el2380).

shy175223

10-07-2005, 06:39 AM

The evil Lex has finally won over because at the very end of Oynx , the good Lex never could beat the evil one. when Clark put them together it look like the Evil lex finally won out.

as for the friendship its at the brink but not quite. I think Clark will be a little bit leary now when it comes to lex. he just doesn't trust him anymore. That trust is gone. Once the LExana beginnigs that friendship will detoriate even farther into enemies.

bembol

10-07-2005, 06:49 AM

Just finished watching it.

I don't think the friendship is over. They got into a little brawl...friends do that and I'm sure Lex will try to get Clarks back.

As always the Clark + Lex & Chloe are great...!!! Can't wait for next week...

cayayofm

10-07-2005, 06:54 AM

While I agree that we had not seen enough from Lex journey to be at this point, its time, and it would be sad if they go back fron this rift, the only thing they coud do now is go foward with it and show more about Lex turning to that dark place that he is not entierly there. I think the confrontaton was awsome. I was expecting another chat of how Clark does not trust him but finally he did what he should had done a long time ago. I love when he said to Lex that he was a COWARD.... so true, I was jumping and with my mouth open. Finally he was not acting like a naive boy and acted like a superhero. This is the kid that is going to be superman not the naive boy from the previous 4 seasons.

shy175223

10-07-2005, 06:55 AM

That fight didn't seem like a little brawl to me. It seems like the beginning of the end. Clark now knows what Lex has been up to all this time. Clark will have little trust when it comes to Lex.

Lex's Baby Mama

10-07-2005, 07:03 AM

Something that we haven't been shown yet is going to be the ultimate cause of the rift. I think (wishfully think) that they will be on speaking terms again.

No one said the dreaded "This friendship is over!" so I am still hopeful. Some may call it delusional. :)

asim

10-07-2005, 07:08 AM

The friendship is not over yet. I mean look at it like this. Lex was totally trying to find out Clark's secret and when he saw that Clark got hurt in the vault he couldnt believe it, and then when Clark was bleeding he was also shocked. The look he had (excellent acting by michael rosenbaum) shows that Lex is having doubts now and he may try to apologise to Clark once again. Clark ofcourse will have none of it. Lex will continue to try but then in the end will start to question Clark's abilities again.

shy175223

10-07-2005, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by asim
The friendship is not over yet. I mean look at it like this. Lex was totally trying to find out Clark's secret and when he saw that Clark got hurt in the vault he couldnt believe it, and then when Clark was bleeding he was also shocked. The look he had (excellent acting by michael rosenbaum) shows that Lex is having doubts now and he may try to apologise to Clark once again. Clark ofcourse will have none of it. Lex will continue to try but then in the end will start to question Clark's abilities again.

Exactly, but the friendship is at a brink here. I think after this like I said, Clark will feel a little leary trust ing Lex again .

superman_115

10-07-2005, 07:39 AM

It is the end for the future, but that was the first step in sealing their fate and their friendship.

Eventually they will be Mortal enemies.

Deia

10-07-2005, 08:16 AM

LOVED the fight..... it was better than clark vs. "alien ken and barbie" from last week.

personally, i thought clark played it too cocky at the end.... he KNEW he was proving a point to lex (with the bleeding lip) and i think lex is going to see that...

but duking it out being the end of the friendship? maybe, maybe not. the one time my brother and i got so pissed off at each other that it came to blows, we both ended up with black eyes, then got each other ice bags to put over said black eyes afterwards, then went to grab a beer.... (my brother shouldn't hit girls, i know, but to be fair, i threw the first punch)

maybe a couple of good blows (hehehe pun intended) will be enough to settle the differences between them... at least temporarily.

lexobsessed

10-07-2005, 08:26 AM

Whoa! I did not expect that fight scene at all:eek:
I can't believe Clark punched and then tossed Lex
around like a stick. I love Lex but he looked really
weak and feeble being pushed around by Clark.
I like this side of Clark, not such a pushover anymore.

I know it's inevitable, but I really am having a hard time
with Lex turning evil. He's so unlikable being evil. I'm going
to miss the touching little moments of emotion and kindness
between Clark and Lex (played so real and genuine by MR).

But still, this season is going to be FREAKIN AWESOME!

Xcalibur

10-07-2005, 08:45 AM

I'm happy that they fought.
Mabye this time the friendship will be over for real.
The plot is gonna get really good from here on.

Ladyhawk

10-07-2005, 08:47 AM

:(
In Season 4's opener. Clark punches the black kryptonite into Kal-El. It then seems that since Clark was holding the Black kryptonite Kal-El was absorbed into him. Maybe "the half" that is holding the black K becomes the dominate part. In Onyx Alexander had the Kryptonite ring. Since he was wearing it, good Lex was absorbed into Alexander. This made Alexander the dominate half. That is my theory on why there was a sudden change in Lex. Anyone else agree?

Fabulous theory, which I happen to agree with now that I think of it. Season 1-3 set the stage for the "why" lex could have such a dark side (shattered memoria and all jealousy of Clark's family, all the things his father did to him), and in season 4, it seemed like everything changed after Onyx - dad you did create the son you've always wanted, not releasing research as he told clark he would, stealing from clark, blatant lying etc). OMG, i never thought it was the bad lex that actually won the onyx battle but now it makes sense..Noooooo!!! So...now the darkness is dominant and the good lex is well, in there somewhere :(

The Source

10-07-2005, 09:19 AM

I think the good Lex will be gone sooner or later. Let Evil Lex prevail!!! Woo hoo!!! When they start punchng each other, I almost thought I saw a sneak preview of the Superman movie. :lol:

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

10-07-2005, 09:25 AM

Lex is getting their, but to me he's still not fully evil, they need to get rid of Lionel for Lex to be fully evil, cause Lionel owns that role right now ;)

Anyways they'll be friends again before long

LEXCLARK

10-07-2005, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by vyperman7
Although, I still feel it was rushed to get Lex to this point. I still feel they never showed enough over the course of the show to have Lex in this point right now. Some people will disagree, but it felt like a lightswitch to me, especially with "I am the son you always wanted" in Commencement. [/B]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for saying that...I couldn't agree more....the turn is being WAY TOO RUSHED....THIS WHOLE SHOW IS LEX AND CLARK and to start Lex down the evil path of no return with 2 possible seasons left after this one is TOO SOO...I've said it beofre on here a million times.....it's too risky and will hurt the show....even rosenbaum himself says he don't where else to go with Lex once the his relationship with Clark is over...for him the show is over when that happens....I guess TPTB couldn't give a damn about the actors opinions or their fans for that matter! But to end the relationship now would ruin all the hard work they've put in for 4 years on building up Lex's tragic fall. To make Lex full out evil now doesn't seem so tragic to me...anyone agree? To end the relationship now goes against EVERYTHING this show's plot has set up to this point over 4 years!

Hoosierfan

10-07-2005, 09:50 AM

I'm still a little confused about last night episode. When Clark showed up and started punching Lex he said that Lex had set up the whole thing that had happened. He had put Lana, mom, and dad in danger. Yes, Lex was spying on Clark when he and Chloe were in Luthorcorp, but did Lex really set up this plot from beginning to end? It didn't look like he ran into that guy in Belle Reve on purpose. It looked to me like the freak (can't remember his name) ran into Lex. I know that some people have probably just shrugged it off as "Lex is totally evil now," but I don't think he would purposely break those guys out of the mad house. After all, the freaks told Clark that he had a reputation in Belle Reve and they could have found out about Clark on their own.
What does everyone else think? Am I the only one that doesn't think Lex orchestrated this whole thing?

supermanfreak

10-07-2005, 10:02 AM

of course it isn't the end. every flippin' season opener starts with a clex fight. then they make up in, like, ep. 4, and they're all hunky-dory.

TML

10-07-2005, 10:54 AM

I don't think it is the end. Lex's facial expression was something along the lines of, "I was wrong and now I have to get the friendship back".

He didn't seem to have a single bit of hate in there.

4EverSmallville

10-07-2005, 11:20 AM

This fight will probably be the beginning of the end. It was for a much better reason than I've been anticipating. But it definitely sets the stage for something bigger to come along.

The fight was perfectly orchestrated though, the trailers actually made it seem like Lex got the better of Clark, but he got his fair share of hits in. Clark challenging Lex was also great. The scene was just fabulous all around. Lex's stunned expression at the end was wonderful.

Relic

10-07-2005, 11:35 AM

I doubt it is completly over.

What I did love is Lex's face as he starts to relized that he realy F'd up

besparkled

10-07-2005, 12:04 PM

i hope it was the end. clark should've listened to pete!

besparkled

10-07-2005, 12:04 PM

i hope it was the end. clark should've listened to pete!

Chloestheone

10-07-2005, 12:11 PM

IMO the friendship is seriously hurt, but not broken. If Clark trusted Lex again he would be foolish. The same goes for Lex trusting Clark. Of course Lex will try to appear to want the friendship to work.

nightshadz

10-07-2005, 12:17 PM

I'm suprised Clark didnt initially grab Lex on the shoulder in an attempt to throw him aganist the wall... :lol:

supermanover21

10-07-2005, 12:37 PM

Tis only the beginning. LOL :D

Ladyhawk

10-07-2005, 12:45 PM

Yes, Lex was spying on Clark when he and Chloe were in Luthorcorp, but did Lex really set up this plot from beginning to end?

Yes, he did. I had to go back and rewatch the beginning. Clark was 100% correct. It was very subtle but Lex did release "sparky" (lmao sheriff..)

All about Clark

10-07-2005, 01:07 PM

I agree that Lex set this all up. And I do think the relationship is over, but that doesn't mean that Lex will give up trying. And Clark will see it as "keep your enemies closer" and allow some of it. But Clark's POV is he's done.

Steelegrave

10-07-2005, 01:25 PM

Loved the fight! Best Smallville scene probably ever.

Did anyone consider that Clark staged that to show Lex he was mortal and make Lex back-off his investigations.

Also love Chloe in the role of Clark's Robin.

mario masta

10-07-2005, 01:53 PM

That was an awesome moment. I can picture Lex in future episodes begging Clark for his forgiveness. I just hope Clark doesn't give him yet another chance... :rolleyes:

Lana_Lang #1

10-07-2005, 04:59 PM

I love this scene so much I did a play by play of the whole scene so hang on!

Lex watching Clark reach for the serum. Clark gets cut by the laser and hobbles away holding his arms over to Chloe.

Lex watching "This is impossible"

Clark enters very angrily "Disappointed?"

Lex "Clark...(closing his lab top that was playing the surveillance tape and walks over to Clark)...I heard what happened is everyone alright?"

Clark punches Lex

Lex on the floor looking up "What are you doing?"

Clark "What I should have done a long time ago".

Clark pulls him to his feet by his shirt

Clark "Chloe traced the video feed from Level 3, you were watching us the whole time".

Lex "I don't know what you're talking about".

Clark tosses Lex back to the floor

Clark "She also pulled the security records from Belle Reeve, you were there the day those psychos escaped!".

Clark walks over, Lex looking up at Clark in part fear and part amazement.

Clark "And you helped them somehow didn't you?".

Clark "What did you promise them Lex? Enough serum to last the rest of their lives?".

Lex "You're being irrational".

Clark "This whole thing was a set up. A TEST!"

Lex remains kneeling on the floor speechless

Clark "And to do it you put Lana and my family in danger"

Lex trying to reason with Clark and get himself out of this mess tries to stand up "Clark..."

Clark shouts "NO!" and punches Lex again.

Clark "I thought we could start over Lex but you're too obsessed with the past...(Lex gets up, stands and faces Clark)...with me"

Clark "But I'm different now and I'm through playing games with you."

Clark walks up to Lex intimidatingly and challenging

Clark "You wanna test me? You wanna see what I'm really made of? Do it yourself coward."

Lex hesitates, Clark pulls his fist back to hit Lex again, Clark tries to punch Lex again.

Lex catches Clark's fist with one hand and punches Clark in the face with the other.

Clark head whips backwards and turns away in pain leaning over.

Clark straightens up in front of Lex, wipes the blood from the corner of his mouth with his wrist and smiles with satisfication at Lex.

Next scene the Talon, Lana sees a bruised and battered Clark come in and rushes over to him.

Lana "What happened?"

Clark "I said goodbye to an old friend"

spideyfan

10-07-2005, 09:05 PM

yea i hope lex doesnt have to buy CK some football uniforms and all will be forgiven...again

Hugo

10-07-2005, 09:22 PM

I believe that it is the end of their friendship at least in Clark's point of view. Lex for the next few episodes will be confused because he thought that Clark had these abillites and it turns out he didn't. Lex felling gulity about using Clark, Lana and The Kents will attempt to ask for there forgiveness but Clark won't forgive and forget.

Magus

10-07-2005, 10:30 PM

Can someone tell me how this is lex's fault? Don't get me wrong, i loved the fight, but it just seemed rushed and don't they have to carry on for another 20 eps. I can't imagine them hating each other for 20 eps. I just wanna know what lex had to do with the thugs.

mario masta

10-08-2005, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by Magus
Can someone tell me how this is lex's fault? Don't get me wrong, i loved the fight, but it just seemed rushed and don't they have to carry on for another 20 eps. I can't imagine them hating each other for 20 eps. I just wanna know what lex had to do with the thugs.

In the teaser in Belle Reeve, Lex bumped into one of the FOTWs and unlocked his chain. The FOTW then used his powers to unlock the twins' chains.

Lex promised the thugs that if they held the Kent's (and Lana, I guess) hostage, they would get a cure. While Chloe and Clark were in Level 3, there were video cameras EVERYWHERE watching Clark; Chloe figured that out later on.

Lex set the whole thing up to test Clark. That's why Clark was so angry at the end, because Lex put Lana and his family in danger, and I don't blame him either.

montevallo

10-08-2005, 06:57 AM

plus remeber how chloe said there were no gaurds, that was also a BIG hint

Lana_Lang #1

10-08-2005, 10:44 AM

When she said that an alarm bell when off in my head. Something didn't feel right, especially since last time Chloe broke in the place was swarming with guards.

Chloe "Yeah, it's weird, there are no guards in here. It's like they are only trying to stop people from getting in"

SWJaggy

10-08-2005, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Lana_Lang #1
I love this scene so much I did a play by play of the whole scene so hang on!

Lex watching Clark reach for the serum. Clark gets cut by the laser and hobbles away holding his arms over to Chloe.

Lex watching "This is impossible"

Clark enters very angrily "Disappointed?"

Lex "Clark...(closing his lab top that was playing the surveillance tape and walks over to Clark)...I heard what happened is everyone alright?"

Clark punches Lex

Lex on the floor looking up "What are you doing?"

Clark "What I should have done a long time ago".

Clark pulls him to his feet by his shirt

Clark "Chloe traced the video feed from Level 3, you were watching us the whole time".

Lex "I don't know what you're talking about".

Clark tosses Lex back to the floor

Clark "She also pulled the security records from Belle Reeve, you were there the day those psychos escaped!".

Clark walks over, Lex looking up at Clark in part fear and part amazement.

Clark "And you helped them somehow didn't you?".

Clark "What did you promise them Lex? Enough serum to last the rest of their lives?".

Lex "You're being irrational".

Clark "This whole thing was a set up. A TEST!"

Lex remains kneeling on the floor speechless

Clark "And to do it you put Lana and my family in danger"

Lex trying to reason with Clark and get himself out of this mess tries to stand up "Clark..."

Clark shouts "NO!" and punches Lex again.

Clark "I thought we could start over Lex but you're too obsessed with the past...(Lex gets up, stands and faces Clark)...with me"

Clark "But I'm different now and I'm through playing games with you."

Clark walks up to Lex intimidatingly and challenging

Clark "You wanna test me? You wanna see what I'm really made of? Do it yourself coward."

Lex hesitates, Clark pulls his fist back to hit Lex again, Clark tries to punch Lex again.

Lex catches Clark's fist with one hand and punches Clark in the face with the other.

Clark head whips backwards and turns away in pain leaning over.

Clark straightens up in front of Lex, wipes the blood from the corner of his mouth with his wrist and smiles with satisfication at Lex.

Next scene the Talon, Lana sees a bruised and battered Clark come in and rushes over to him.

Lana "What happened?"

Clark "I said goodbye to an old friend"

Thanks for posting the confrentation. I was looking for that.

Anyways here are my thoughts:

Definately one of the greatest moments in the episode! Way to go Clark for standing up to Lex like that. So being human does have it's advantages:p

I doubt Clark and Lex will be able to rekindle their friendship. The fire has now died out. I can understand why Clark was loyal to Lex; he always wanted to see the good in people. Pete and even Ryan tried to warn him. I'm glad that their is a riff the size of the Grand Canyon between the two. The ultimate show down is coming! Lex won't be able to *buy* Clark's friendship this time.

Lana_Lang #1

10-08-2005, 12:50 PM

Clark "I said goodbye to an old friend"

That line made me cry. It was excellently delivered and filled with so much sadness.

You could almost hear Clark's heart breaking when he said that.

KristinIsAwesome

10-08-2005, 01:00 PM

I think Lex may attempt to reconsile with Clark, because it was Clark who ended it.

Lex didnt seem like he wanted it to go this way, so he may give it one last shot, but I dont think Clark will accept it.

Summers

10-08-2005, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

Anyways they'll be friends again before long

Ain't that the truth. I mean it's too early for it to be "the" end, and all. Especially being the second episode in the seasons. They'll be friends again just like the inconsistent relationship they had last year lol. This fight was kinda like a foreshadowing IMO.

Magus

10-08-2005, 04:50 PM

Ah. Thanks. I thought that the FOTW just accidently bumped into lex and somehow got released. Yea, that was stupid.

CK&CK

10-08-2005, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Lana_Lang #1
Clark "I said goodbye to an old friend"

That line made me cry. It was excellently delivered and filled with so much sadness.

You could almost hear Clark's heart breaking when he said that.

I heard regrets.....I definitely didn't hear heart break. I just wish Lex would have slugged him when more time.

Clark gets up from Lex's first punch

Clark: "Are you satisfied?"

Lex slugs the Moron to the floor one more time.

Lex: "Now, I am! Now get the hell out of my house flannel boy"

I think the Kents had it right originally. Clark was an amazing young man that made life and death decisions everyday. But now, he's just a stupid young adult that can't see the forest for the trees.......that is unless miss Sullivan is there to hold his hand. That's the only reason why he knew to confront the Devious Bald One. Lex may not have hair, but at least he's got some brains. I always knew Supes wasn't the smartest of the superhero crowd, but this Smallville version is becoming quite obtuse......and annoying. At least far more so than it has in the past. Yeah, I can see how easy it will be for Bats to play mind games with Flannel boy in the future.

cmgames

10-08-2005, 05:42 PM

I was also looking forward to seeing Lex bash Clark a few times, too bad. Maybe that'll knock some sense into him and he can start to act more like a superhero instead of a superthicko.

CK&CK

10-08-2005, 05:49 PM

Yeah, can you imagine Clarkie going 15 rounds with Bruce Wayne, and without his superpowers? It wouldn't go 2 rounds, unless Bruce took mercy on him in round one. Yeah, Bruce Wayne would KICK his A$$!

SWJaggy

10-08-2005, 05:50 PM

I think the friendship won't be so easily rekindled. Clark has forgiven Lex a dozen times and this time, I think, was just the final staw.

"Just saying goodbye to an old friend"
- to me that sounded as if Clark confirmed that the friendship he and Lex had was officially over.

CK&CK

10-08-2005, 05:56 PM

I felt that as well.

Come on Lex.....go Evil on his A$$! Let's see if the stupid Mortal is up to the task. I can actually see a worried Clarkie going through Chloe's truck......"oh man, I'm in deep sh*t now.....come on Chloe.......what else you got in this damn trunk?!?!

Summers

10-08-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by SWJaggy
I think the friendship won't be so easily rekindled. Clark has forgiven Lex a dozen times and this time, I think, was just the final staw.

"Just saying goodbye to an old friend"
- to me that sounded as if Clark confirmed that the friendship he and Lex had was officially over.

I thought that many times in S4, but it never happened. Being SV they will be friends once again. I mean Clark just asks Lex a favor, and in return Lex buys him something :lol:.

Danelle

10-08-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by CK&CK
Yeah, can you imagine Clarkie going 15 rounds with Bruce Wayne, and without his superpowers? It wouldn't go 2 rounds, unless Bruce took mercy on him in round one. Yeah, Bruce Wayne would KICK his A$$!

Lol, that would be AWESOME!

Batman was always my favorite superhero, and he always will be. Unlike the rest of them, Batman doesn't have any superhuman powers, he's just plain skilled and intelligent. And rich. Yes, Bruce Wayne is da man!

Kal EL2380

10-12-2005, 04:44 PM

I would like to agree with you all and say that the friendship is over, but a big part of smallville is the "friendship" between Clark and Lex. I seriously doubt it is completely over. Like Clark and Lana, I think this will go back and forth for a while. I still stand by my theory that Evil Lex is the one behind the wheel right now. He isnt that over the top yet since good lex is still in there somewhere. I honestly think Clark will remain friendly with Lex like he is in the comic. I just dont think he'll ever trust him again.

Onyx was the start of the complete turn of Lex Luthor. In that clip from "Hidden". We see Lionel posessed by Jor-El. Maybe Lex sees them being so close and gets very jelous. That may be the deciding factor on Lex's part. Clark getting what hes so desperatly wanted his whole life, "Lionels" love.

djpnutz

10-12-2005, 04:52 PM

If lex is in denial the friendship is nil. He'll just keep figuring out wtf happened to Clark. If he accepts clark... maybe there's still hope

last man of krypton

10-12-2005, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by CK&CK
Clark gets up from Lex's first punch

Clark: "Are you satisfied?"

Lex slugs the Moron to the floor one more time.

Lex: "Now, I am! Now get the hell out of my house flannel boy"

Good one! :rotfl:

I might be being totally thick here, but wasn't Clark a little in the wrong in that situation? I mean, its not as though bad things haven't happened at Luthorcorp without Lex's knowledge.
And of course it makes sense there's a security camera there, considering the lack of guards around it would make sense.
And then Clark barges into Lex's house (again) and starts hitting Lex while Lex is trying to say "Let me explain".
The fight scene may as well have played:
Clark: "How dare you watch me steal from you!"
<Clark punches Lex>
Lex: "Clark, what are you talking about? I've been in Washington for the last-"
<another punch>
Clark: "You put Lana in danger. How dare you. Oh, and my family"
Lex: "Seriously Clark, have you been drinking?"
<Clark continues punching>

Kal EL2380

10-12-2005, 06:07 PM

The "friendship" is going to end anyway so lets just see what happens lol. Its like when you watch that movie titanic and a part of you hopes the ship doesnt hit the ice burg this time, but we know it does. Just like this friendship. Its going to hit that ice burg soon enought.

FotW

10-12-2005, 07:40 PM

"How dare you watch me steal from you!" :lol: I didn't think that it was appropriate Clark and Lex to come fisticuffs at this stage of their relationship. I was waiting for something really big to go down, where there was no doubt as to Lex's motives against Clark or his friends and/or someone really got hurt. Clark was acting just as irrational and silly as Pa Kent does sometimes.

Originally posted by last man of krypton
Good one! :rotfl:

I might be being totally thick here, but wasn't Clark a little in the wrong in that situation? I mean, its not as though bad things haven't happened at Luthorcorp without Lex's knowledge.
And of course it makes sense there's a security camera there, considering the lack of guards around it would make sense.
And then Clark barges into Lex's house (again) and starts hitting Lex while Lex is trying to say "Let me explain".
The fight scene may as well have played:
Clark: "How dare you watch me steal from you!"
<Clark punches Lex>
Lex: "Clark, what are you talking about? I've been in Washington for the last-"
<another punch>
Clark: "You put Lana in danger. How dare you. Oh, and my family"
Lex: "Seriously Clark, have you been drinking?"
<Clark continues punching>