Did they do it yet?

[markbot]

Did they have sex in this episode?

[Scotty]

Yeah, they were interrupted the first time they tried, but got some alone time at the end.:eek:

[LuckyKrypto]

I am sure it's just me, but I was waiting at the end for a flash of light, and then Clark being taken back to the FOS! :D

[swenjj]

the way they left it you dont really know,they lay down then it cuts away

[Scotty]

Well they can't really show it on TV, but I think it was highly implied that they did.

[Kal-El 2005]

just before they got interupted at first I was yelling at the TV for them to stop... there must have been something to interrupt them! and then it happend but when nothing happend at the end I almost cried! Its so wrong for smallville! THE COSMIC FABRIC OF REALITY HAS BEEN TORN! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[LoisNClark]

they left it kind of open to the viewers interpretation of what happened...i think they did it but wanted to keep most of it off camera

[amberdawn]

They probably did though (yuck).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Implied sex more or less if you ask me, which works on this network.

[Dimensio]

Originally posted by Scotty
Well they can't really show it on TV, but I think it was highly implied that they did.

The panning over to wind blowing in the curtains means that they definitely did the deed. The writers/directors of this show can come up with fun stories, but they can't come up with original implementation -- or even interesting twists on old concepts -- worth a damn.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Dimensio
The panning over to wind blowing in the curtains means that they definitely did the deed. The writers/directors of this show can come up with fun stories, but they can't come up with original implementation -- or even interesting twists on old concepts -- worth a damn.

Everyone got it didnt they? WHy be "catchy" and "original" if its not necessary to get the message across? Im all for creativeness and originality, but only where and when its needed.

I thought it was very tastefully done. It just proved that they can get the message across without having to show nudity. Im glad they have decided to EARN their good ratings by having GOOD episodes, and not get their ratings the cheap way like every other show on TV by showing T and A.

[Switchback]

I thought this was a very very bad and disasterous thing to show on Smallville. The reason I say that...I know the general age group demography for the show is people in their teens through thirtys but I know of alot of grammar school kids that are also drawn into the Superman thing and the high schoolers as well. I'm just 23 myself but I fall in under the demography but anyway here is the deal.

Superman is looked up to by alot of kids. He is a super hero. My thoughts are...alot of parents are so rotten these days that they could care less about teaching their kids any morals. So a major contributor to morals that they may be taught is what is depicted as being good or evil on TV. Superman/Clark Kent is suppose to be good. Showing or depicting fornication as acceptable and okay....is not very moral. Whether they said they love one another or not...that doesn't make it right. Don't confuse Love with Lust. I'm not sure how they are going to play this out in the next episode when Clark gets shot and gets his powers back. Maybe they do it like all this never happened....well if they do...that is still bad because in reality if two virgins have sex they can't ever go back or take back what has been taken.

[tmkfan]

Wtf?! Do you guys like mute your TV every time Clark and Lana say I LOVE YOU to each other? jeez, and unsafe was the friggin same and I didnt saw any of you complaining.

So cuz Clark is Superman, hes not allowed to be a teenager and have sex with the girl he loves just like any other guy? jeez.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Switchback
...I'm not sure how they are going to play this out in the next episode when Clark gets shot and gets his powers back. Maybe they do it like all this never happened....

I don't think that's the case. I'm fairly sure they don't do the time reversal things. I can't say why because it's technically a spoiler, but if you look at the new Aqua images I think you'll understand why. If not PM me.

[FOG]

Originally posted by LoisNClark
they left it kind of open to the viewers interpretation of what happened...i think they did it but wanted to keep most of it off camera

Thats what I think happend.

[diabla9]

sex scenes on cable are always so corny! on one hand they are both out of high school and virgins which is good because not many people hold out for that long, so that's a good moral aspect to it. on the other hand it makes no sense because clark is still an alien, he may not have his powers but he will never be human! and doesn't lana think it is wierd that all of a sudden clark has turned over a new leaf?
there's the meteor shower excuse, he thought he'd never see her again, but he's not gonna tell her anything about the past, and she's not going to tell him that she killed genevieve, so what's the point of making them have sex? and just once for that matter, maybe tptb were just concerned that people were losing interest in the show because clark was still a virgin? is that why "everything you wanted to see" was in mortal last night??? other than clark and lana i'd say the episode was alright, the fist fight was awesome, and chloe was even more impressive!

oh and i just have to say this cause i realized it last night, i'm glad clark had sex with lana and not alicia. it's dyfunctional, but at least clark and lana actually have a willing realtionship

[Switchback]

Originally posted by tmkfan
So cuz Clark is Superman, hes not allowed to be a teenager and have sex with the girl he loves just like any other guy? jeez.

Thanks for proving my point about rotten morals and the acceptance of it in today's world. I had my share of flings from teenage years through the earlier 20s and yeah even one I did date a little over a year and loved and still love as a friend. I had my chances to have sex but I knew it wasn't right morally to do so before marriage. And now I am exactly one week away from being married to a lady I truely love and we're giving ourselves to one another on our wedding night. That's the way it should be. Not in some summer romantic love fling. So not everybody has fallen into the temptation of lust. Not saying it has been an easy road but one that was well worth the travel. I'm definatly not a superman but when I stand behind a pulpit and preach I can do so with a clear heart and conscious.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Switchback
Thanks for proving my point about rotten morals and the acceptance of it in today's world. I had my share of flings from teenage years through the earlier 20s and yeah even one I did date a little over a year and loved and still love as a friend. I had my chances to have sex but I knew it wasn't right morally to do so before marriage. And now I am exactly one week away from being married to a lady I truely love and we're giving ourselves to one another on our wedding night. That's the way it should be. Not in some summer romantic love fling. So not everybody has fallen into the temptation of lust. Not saying it has been an easy road but one that was well worth the travel. I'm definatly not a superman but when I stand behind a pulpit and preach I can do so with a clear heart and conscious.

Wow... Not everyone feels the same way as you. YOU feel having sex before marriage is not Morally right, but that doesnt make it a fact!! That is an OPINION.

Marriage has nothing to do with it. Why is that wrong?? Give me a GOOD reason why having sex before marriage is WRONG. Give me a point I cant argue (trust me you wont be able to find one) and then I will shutup.

You say Clana is all about lust, I see differently. Last season sure, they had their rough moments, but Lana and Clark have ALWAYS oved each other. Season 1 and 2 was filled with Loft scenes where the 2 talked about their feelings towards things. They have always shared a lot with each other. Everyone sees lust and no love and I just dont get it. Im not saying their isnt Lust cu well, of course there is, but tehre is love there also. I dont see anything wrong with what they did, they are both in college (or will be in a few weeks) and are Grown ADULTS who LOVE EACH OTHER. Why is marriage necessary for them to show their love for one another by taking such a huge step together, for he first time? I find it a beautiful thing.

Society cracks me up. WHy is it that Violence is accepted more than sex these days?? Something that mankind HAS TO DO in order to survive, something that is a NATURAL thing to do is frowned upon more than A violent act towards anotehr human being, which ISNT normal and ISNT a natural thing.

Senators getting all bent out of shape over a guy having sex with his girlfriend in a videogame, but yet in that same videogame the same main character kills Cops and other innocent people, and it takes one little sex scene to rial everyone up? Makes no sense but whatever.

Dood please, they ddint even show anything that hasnt been shown more graphically on OTHER shows ON THE SAME NETWORK that are also watched by the same age demographic.

[Dimensio]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Everyone got it didnt they? WHy be "catchy" and "original" if its not necessary to get the message across? Im all for creativeness and originality, but only where and when its needed.

I thought it was very tastefully done. It just proved that they can get the message across without having to show nudity. Im glad they have decided to EARN their good ratings by having GOOD episodes, and not get their ratings the cheap way like every other show on TV by showing T and A.

I wasn't talking about the lack of T&A. If they don't want to show two writhing bodies going at it, fine. My problem is that the writers/directors/producers essentially made a list of every single "lovemaking" cliche in TV and movie history, picked out the most overused and overt ones, and threw them all into a single scene. I haven't seen a scene that clichéd since the funeral of Whitney's father.

[DarkChilde]

I am sure the played hide the kyrptonian sausage.

But as the camera panned to the window I was expecting to see Lex or a camera watching them. :)

[Switchback]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Give me a GOOD reason why having sex before marriage is WRONG.

You asked:

FORNICATION -- Voluntary sex between a man and a woman that are not married.

God's word on the matter:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

You can't argue with that because God's word will always be the final authority of everything. I sent you more detail in PM.

Have a nice day,
SwitchBack

[montevallo]

Originally posted by Switchback
You asked:

FORNICATION -- Voluntary sex between a man and a woman that are not married.

God's word on the matter:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

You can't argue with that because God's word will always be the final authority of everything. I sent you more detail in PM.

Have a nice day,
SwitchBack

im sorry, but "because God said so" isnt a good enough reason for me.
the reason you shouldent have sex before marrage is the risk of getting someone pregnant.

[Lois Lane 08]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Wtf?! Do you guys like mute your TV every time Clark and Lana say I LOVE YOU to each other? jeez, and unsafe was the friggin same and I didnt saw any of you complaining.

So cuz Clark is Superman, hes not allowed to be a teenager and have sex with the girl he loves just like any other guy? jeez.

tmkfan, I totally agree with you. no one complains about that stuff in unsafe, and yet now that it's Lana, they hate it.

[mikeobrien]

I don't think this was the most we'll see out of it in "Mortal". Some of the scenes in the Season 5 Trailer show them looking at each other more without being fully clothed, lying down. I think there is more to be seen in next episodes.

[SmallTownSuperHero]

Just because you claim that right and wrong are opinion, doesn't make it true. There are absolute right and wrong, and not everything is relative. You can't sit there and say there are no right and wrong, and that nothing is absolute (a contradiction in itself, by the way), because YOU believe in absolute rights and wrongs... I mean, you don't think it's ok for me to kill someone just because I want to, do you? According to your "logic," if it's my opinion that there's nothing wrong with doing it, then there isn't. Relativism like that is all well in good in a fantasy world, but in this place we call reality, it just doesn't fit.

[Dimensio]

Originally posted by SmallTownSuperHero
There are absolute right and wrong

Prove it.


Originally posted by Switchback
You can't argue with that because God's word will always be the final authority of everything. I sent you more detail in PM.

He asked for a GOOD reason, not one based in popular, if ancient, fiction.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Lois Lane 08
tmkfan, I totally agree with you. no one complains about that stuff in unsafe, and yet now that it's Lana, they hate it.

Alicia did knew the secret. No problem for me there. But I could bring the hypocrisy of TPTB on this issue, especially because they had to marry Clark and Alicia...

The main problem here is Lana doesn't know that he is an alien. Sex before the marriage? Don't see the problem and times are changing.

[markbot]

the more i think about it..the more i realize that they did do it.

FINALLY!!!

[montevallo]

Originally posted by Dimensio

He asked for a GOOD reason, not one based in popular, if ancient, fiction.

thank you :D i dont like being preached to

[KristinIsAwesome]

Yea i have to agree, the comment about God really holds no ground.... thats a matter of opinion.

...Also.. idk why anyone has a problem with the Clark/Lana sex, I mean.. they've been in love for 4 years. They even said it... so it was not unexpected. Everyone knew it was gonna happen, so you gotta just let it go and move on.

[SmallTownSuperHero]

I could throw the same response back at you: DISprove it!

You can't tell me there AREN'T absolutes. By saying there aren't absolute right or wrong, you create a paradox. It just doesn't work.

Anyways, it's not worth fighting over whether or not the sex they had or didn't have was ok. Our question is, "Did they do it yet?"

(By the way, I'm not saying that I think if they had sex it would be wrong, necessarily. I'm just saying that I don't agree with the "right and wrong is opinion" argument. I mean, a very handsome man and a very beautiful woman want to have sex, it's hard to stop them LOL. I'd have a hard time saying no in that situation myself. But, just because I don't what I wouldn't do doesn't mean there is not a right thing to do or a wrong thing to do. Also, the action I choose isn't necessarily the right one, just because I "felt it was right.")

[ProudPenny]

Believe it or not, it's hard to stop ugly people from having sex too =)

Umm topic: Clark and Lana had sex. It's called a "fade to black." There is no point in arguing this anymore.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Dimensio
I wasn't talking about the lack of T&A. If they don't want to show two writhing bodies going at it, fine. My problem is that the writers/directors/producers essentially made a list of every single "lovemaking" cliche in TV and movie history, picked out the most overused and overt ones, and threw them all into a single scene. I haven't seen a scene that clichéd since the funeral of Whitney's father.


Well, off the top of my head, I can't think of a single movie or TV show that has used the whole "wind blowing through the open window to signify intercourse" shot. Maybe if I went back through my collection I could find 3 or 4, but right now, I cant think of a single one, and I am a movie freak. To me, if I cant think of another movie or tv show that very instant, then it's no biggie to me.

Smallville has always been cliched. There have been ENTIRE episodes that have been cliched. There have been worse scenes the Whitney's father's funeral.

Everytime Bo Kent gives his son a pep-talk (good or bad, doesnt matter)

Thwe skating rink scene in "Unsafe" has been done to death in tons of movies, right down to someone falling down because they cant skate and the other somehow "falling" on top of them.

The whole frame in "Pariah" was completely unoriginal.

The list goes on.

My point is, I didn't find the talon scene all that bad. It couldve been worse. They coulda had them rolling in the fields, slowy undressing each other, and then cut to some friggin birds on a branch chirping. :D

[Dimensio]

Originally posted by SmallTownSuperHero
I could throw the same response back at you: DISprove it!

You're the one using it as the basis for your argument. You are the one who must demonstrate it to be true for it to carry any weight.


You can't tell me there AREN'T absolutes. By saying there aren't absolute right or wrong, you create a paradox. It just doesn't work.

You are changing of the subject. The topic was absolute morals, not absolute truths in general.


Anyways, it's not worth fighting over whether or not the sex they had or didn't have was ok. Our question is, "Did they do it yet?"

And the answer is rather obviously yes.

Again, I'm reminded of the "Willow's not really in a relationship with Tara!" whinging that erupted during Season 4 (and even into 5) of Buffy.


Originally posted by Sydafex7
Well, off the top of my head, I can't think of a single movie or TV show that has used the whole "wind blowing through the open window to signify intercourse" shot.

Probably because most directors and writers know better than to use it nowadays.

Watch The Truman Show if you don't believe that's a cinematic method, though.

[Switchback]

First of all, learn some discernment. I haven't preached to anyone here yet. If you call that preaching you must be totally out of the loop of what preaching really is. I stated a fact about fornication. If that hits home with you...that's your problem to deal with. I didn't write it. Take it up with God. So speaking of which, God's Word fiction? I don't think so pal. Anybody who says that is totally ignorant of any historical facts or premisis. It is the most organized and fully detailed factual history book ever written or ever will be written about the Jewish people and while at the same time carrying over into gentile people (not Jewish) from past to present to future. I went to school and studied the history of it...probably have more books on the subject matter than most of you have comic books of superheros...I should be the one to know. God's word IS the final authority. You'll find out someday.

Now I am new to this forum. I wasn't around here when some of the other episode discussions of Smallville were going on. I didn't start watching the show til about a season and a half ago. I really don't know all the episodes by name like some of you do. I'm not obsessed with the show...it is just fiction...but it is the only show on the WB that I watch and pretty much the only fictional show on TV that I watch. Going back to the original subject...once again the morality issue comes into play with the writers of Smallville. Why they showed that dipicting it as "okay" knowing the age demographics for the show, is beyond me. We have the highest teen pregnancy rate we've ever had...instead of teaching abstinence they teach safe sex in todays school systems. I've seen more "grandparents" raising their grandbabies than I care to see...all because their own kids want to get out and screw around because it's 2005 and its alright to do so. If you don't find something wrong with that picture you need serious help and a reality check. This isn't Smallville or fictional worlds...your actions have consequences and your consequences don't go away in the next episode.

[old guy]

So if Clark and Lana "did the deed", do you think they will do it again after Clark regains his powers? (I don't see that as a spoiler since we all know Clark can't become Superman if he continues to bleed when he gets punched in the mouth). If they only have sex while he is powerless (much like Lois and Clark in Superman II), would the reason for not continuing to boink be due to Clark's uncertainty of what his super-powered body fluids would do to Lana or because he won't be able to tell her he's an alien?

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

Originally posted by old guy
So if Clark and Lana "did the deed", do you think they will do it again after Clark regains his powers? (I don't see that as a spoiler since we all know Clark can't become Superman if he continues to bleed when he gets punched in the mouth). If they only have sex while he is powerless (much like Lois and Clark in Superman II), would the reason for not continuing to boink be due to Clark's uncertainty of what his super-powered body fluids would do to Lana or because he won't be able to tell her he's an alien?

My co-worker and I were thinking the same thing about how clark only gets busy when he's mortal (like in the movie and now in smallville). And he came up with an interesting yet funny theory: what if kryptonians are a race that only mate for procreation and not for pleasure but as soon as he turns "human" he wants it for pleasure?............:lol: LMAO :rotfl: That cracks me up! But maybe there's some truth to it.

[Jay Eff]

Originally posted by tmkfan
Wtf?! Do you guys like mute your TV every time Clark and Lana say I LOVE YOU to each other? jeez, and unsafe was the friggin same and I didnt saw any of you complaining.

So cuz Clark is Superman, hes not allowed to be a teenager and have sex with the girl he loves just like any other guy? jeez.
Yeah, because Clark is to become the greatest hero of all time, it would be too much to ask for the guy to have a morally bound mind. And just for your information, not all guys have sex before marriage. I am one of those, and am disappointed that TPTB have let Clark slip into this new "stereotype" of men. Real men can wait, and don't act like dogs. They have been together for 3 weeks, and they have already had sex. I have been with my girl for nearly 3 months, and don't plan to have sex with her unless we get married. If we break up, I will not have the regret of not having the best wedding present for my wife on our wedding night.

[ClarkCrusader]

Hey Old Guy and Mrs. B,
I'm so glad to see you guys lightened this thread back up with your posts. It was way too serious for the fun we are supposed to be having here! Once Clark gets his powers back, he will be too scared of the possible effects of "SuperSperm" to be gettin it on with Lana :D (oh..i'm sorry, they would be using a condom, right?) ;)

[LuckyKrypto]

There's an interesting point ^^^^

What will happen between Lana and Clark after he gets his powers back?

[Ultron]

Depends on if she's pregnant.....

(dramatic music begins)

[Hydra]

Technically, Lana getting pregnant should be difficult whether Clark is Superpowered or not. His anatomy is completely different.

[Ultron]

Well there's science, and there is super science. :D What we see in the comics is that it's quite possible for Clark to father a child with a human. :D

[Big Albowski]

Just a note everyone!
Whether they did it or not is the topic of the thread.... do not start preaching your religious beliefs to others because it could lead to some rather nasty arguments!

Al

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Jay Eff
Yeah, because Clark is to become the greatest hero of all time, it would be too much to ask for the guy to have a morally bound mind. And just for your information, not all guys have sex before marriage. I am one of those, and am disappointed that TPTB have let Clark slip into this new "stereotype" of men. Real men can wait, and don't act like dogs. They have been together for 3 weeks, and they have already had sex. I have been with my girl for nearly 3 months, and don't plan to have sex with her unless we get married. If we break up, I will not have the regret of not having the best wedding present for my wife on our wedding night.

Clark acted like a dog?? What are you talking about..

Him and Lana and loved eavh for a very long time. Theyve only been together for 3 week, okay, but theyve loved each other for 3 years...

Now Clark would be a dog if he like just met lana 3 weeks ago, started dating her and then got her in the sack, but thats not how is happened.

Why wait until marriage if you love the person? You dont have to be married to prove your love for a person. Marriage just seals the deal.

[smallville06]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Clark acted like a dog?? What are you talking about..

Him and Lana and loved eavh for a very long time. Theyve only been together for 3 week, okay, but theyve loved each other for 3 years...

Now Clark would be a dog if he like just met lana 3 weeks ago, started dating her and then got her in the sack, but thats not how is happened.

Why wait until marriage if you love the person? You dont have to be married to prove your love for a person. Marriage just seals the deal.
Thank you Sydafex7 I completely agree with you they have been in love for a long time.

[Jay Eff]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Clark acted like a dog?? What are you talking about..

Him and Lana and loved eavh for a very long time. Theyve only been together for 3 week, okay, but theyve loved each other for 3 years...

Now Clark would be a dog if he like just met lana 3 weeks ago, started dating her and then got her in the sack, but thats not how is happened.

Why wait until marriage if you love the person? You dont have to be married to prove your love for a person. Marriage just seals the deal.
Actually it is the other way around, sex seals the marriage deal. The ceremony is before man, but sex is what spiritually binds two souls. For a man to have sex before marriage takes part of themselves and gives it to their partner, and vice-versa. If a man has sex with numerous partners, they are losing more and more of themselves. This is why sexual intercourse is for marriage, because you are bound to that person until death.

[smallville06]

Edited post (wrong thread)

[markbot]

Originally posted by Big Albowski
Just a note everyone!
Whether they did it or not is the topic of the thread.... do not start preaching your religious beliefs to others because it could lead to some rather nasty arguments!

Al

? that was kind of out of no where...

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Jay Eff
Actually it is the other way around, sex seals the marriage deal. The ceremony is before man, but sex is what spiritually binds two souls. For a man to have sex before marriage takes part of themselves and gives it to their partner, and vice-versa. If a man has sex with numerous partners, they are losing more and more of themselves. This is why sexual intercourse is for marriage, because you are bound to that person until death.

Until death? Heard of a divorce? Marriage may have used to be sacred, but its a joke now.

That's why you don't need to have a ceromony to prove you love someone.

Clark and Lana havent had multiple partners... Clark and Lana "gave a piece" of themselves, as you call it, to each other because they love each other. Its that simple. They don't have to be married to do this.

And I do agree with whoever said it that Lana does have the right to know she just had sex with an Alien.. but, I really dont think she'd care because the only think making Clark an Alien is the fact that he wasnt born on our planet. Thats it.

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

lighten up people this show is pretend. Superman is not real and neither is lana or chloe or...yes, even pa and ma kent arent real!! O_O Whether it goes against your morals or not its only a tv show and if you look to pretend people to be role models then that's pretty sad, don't you think? ;)

[shadow_2099]

If your reason is "god" then you have no reason. What you have a is a superstition that you are trying to force upon the rest of us. As an atheist, that arguement holds NO water at all. If you would say something about how rape was morally wrong, or that waiting till you were emotionally capable of handling it or that protection was necessary esp if you cant afford the consequences of not using protection than you would have good points.

Saying its morally wrong cause your supposed god told you it was is not a statement that holds any kind of use.

Shadow

[batfinx]

Why wait until marriage if you love the person? You dont have to be married to prove your love for a person. Marriage just seals the deal.

No, marriage is about making a commitment. One that most hope will be a lifetime commitment. There is definitely divorce, but no one enters into marriage believing it will fail. They enter into marriage with hope for their future together. Clark is still a teenager boinking his girlfriend wherever they can find a free spot, so marriage isn't on the horizon yet :lol:

[Black & White]

Marriage = Having sex for the first time????????? :confused: :confused: :confused:
If you love one person, and if that person wants to do it too, why can't you have sex wtih him or her??
Marriage is about spending the rest of your life with the one you love, and having sex it's something you do to interchange any type of feelings ( ove, physical atraction...) with someone who lets you. And remember, Clark and Lana are OFFICIALLY ADULTS, so what's the problem?If they use protection to avoid the pregnancy there is no problem...:confused: :confused:
Am I the only one who thinks this way??:confused: :confused:

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by batfinx
No, marriage is about making a commitment. One that most hope will be a lifetime commitment. There is definitely divorce, but no one enters into marriage believing it will fail. They enter into marriage with hope for their future together. Clark is still a teenager boinking his girlfriend wherever they can find a free spot, so marriage isn't on the horizon yet :lol:

Yeah.. Clark and Lana are having sex soo much these days. I mean those 2 are like a couple of rabbits!!


yeah, right. Clark waits to lose his virginity to a girl he truly loves and all of a sudden he's some pig who sleeps around with all these women. whatever.

[Scotty]

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Probably the most common argument that sex is wrong is that God has said so.

I have two problems with this argument. First, I don't believe in God.

Second, suppose that there was a God, and that he said this. I believe that this would indicate a moral flaw in God, not a moral problem with sex. Certainly, if God creates the universe, he creates right and wrong, but they flow from the rest of his creation, not simply from his word.


Why do some people think sex is bad? Sex is good because it is fundamentally an activity concerned with giving and receiving pleasure. Both of these are morally worthy. It is good to enjoy yourself, and it is good to give pleasure to other people. Sex is good for the same reason it is good to play sports, or good to watch or make movies, or to read or write works of fiction. It is part of the broadly aesthetic component of life, the part that has value because it makes life worth living. The only significant concerns are pregnancy and STDs, and that merely requires us to be careful, not give sex up altogether.

[cotton candy girl]

Ok. I have to jump in here. I mean all of this totally respectfully.

1. The fact that a person does not believe in God does not negate His existence or His truths.

2. Please clarify. What do you mean about right and wrong flowing from His creation? And how does that relate to His creating right and wrong making Him morally flawed? (which is what I gathered from what you said)

3. This to me sounds like Greek hedonistic philosophy. Pleasure is not the definition of "good". Even Aristotle didn't think so, and he was Not a Christian. Playing sports is fun, but it's only "good" in a relative sense. And God did not say sex in itself is bad or wrong. He said outside of marriage it is.

And certainly the only repercussions or concerns with pre/extra-marital sex are not just physical. There are emotional and spiritual repercussions as well.

[markbot]

SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX

not theology.

i think they did in fact have sex. this is shaping up to be a good season. MILES ahead of last season. last season was total suckage.

hmm....i guess this brainiac story is going to last the entire season.

after superman fever catches next summer...i'm sure there will be even more interest in smallville.

what should smallville do next season. clark is getting rather superman-like lately.

i guess next season can be about lois and clark....or is that too soon? some how they have to wrap up this clark/lana romance by the end of the series.

[Scotty]

I'll have to skip the religious/spiritual arguments since I can't win there, 84% of the world believes in God anyway.



i guess next season can be about lois and clark....or is that too soon? some how they have to wrap up this clark/lana romance by the end of the series.
I thought I read somewhere that Lois would only be allowed on Smallville if she was not a love interest for Clark? Lex seemed kinda of jealous of Clark's relationship with Lana, he will probably drive them apart eventually.

[chloe's pal]

wow - lots of debate on the sex before marriage issue here!

I think the point that mostly everyone has missed in the whole "Clark Lana sex before marriage debate" is that they don't subscribe to that theory.

It has never been said that they (Clark OR Lana) are Christian or Catholic or Buddist ... whichever religion, so to my way of thinking they are not bound to any particular religious standard.

Is it morally reprehenisble to share a physical act of love with a person that you care deeply about if there is no "law" or "more" against it?:(

And let's not forget the point put across by numerous others .... it's make believe! You should not look to ANY television show to be your moral guide! Take it for what it is, very very entertaining!

[CK&CK]

Originally posted by chloe's pal
wow - lots of debate on the sex before marriage issue here!

I think the point that mostly everyone has missed in the whole "Clark Lana sex before marriage debate" is that they don't subscribe to that theory.

It has never been said that they (Clark OR Lana) are Christian or Catholic or Buddist ... whichever religion, so to my way of thinking they are not bound to any particular religious standard.

Is it morally reprehenisble to share a physical act of love with a person that you care deeply about if there is no "law" or "more" against it?:(

And let's not forget the point put across by numerous others .... it's make believe! You should not look to ANY television show to be your moral guide! Take it for what it is, very very entertaining!

With me it's not so much an issue of right or wrong, it's that Supes is an icon that should lead by example. If there is no issue with it, then they could just have easily done it at 14 and it would not be a problem. But that doesn't sound right does it? Even at 18, one doesn't know if they're ready or not (and I'm not talking about the simple act of sex). Even if they grow up to be happly married...ever after.....they were still playing the guessing game as far as this being their mate for life. But what the hey, this Superman is turning out to be not so iconic anyway.......going against his father's wishes (not the fact that he went against him....just the way he did it) and playing football in season four should have told me something. Clark was all Me....Me...Me....and more Me. Hey Smallville producers! I'll pay real money to see Clarkie drink a bottle of Jack Daniels and have a smoke after the sex!............Yeah, real money......does that mean you'd do it! If it jacks up the ratings enough?......Yeah, you know what you would do.

[starmaster]

You reckon lana's going to have clarks baby???

[dwgebler]

Originally posted by Switchback
First of all, learn some discernment. I haven't preached to anyone here yet. If you call that preaching you must be totally out of the loop of what preaching really is. I stated a fact about fornication. If that hits home with you...that's your problem to deal with. I didn't write it. Take it up with God. So speaking of which, God's Word fiction? I don't think so pal. Anybody who says that is totally ignorant of any historical facts or premisis. It is the most organized and fully detailed factual history book ever written or ever will be written about the Jewish people and while at the same time carrying over into gentile people (not Jewish) from past to present to future. I went to school and studied the history of it...probably have more books on the subject matter than most of you have comic books of superheros...I should be the one to know. God's word IS the final authority. You'll find out someday.


Well, you just can't argue or reason with religious fundamentalists. God's word is all....sex before marriage is wrong (damn you! NO, that is NOT subjective opinion, that is DIVINE TRUTH people!) and I'm right because I say so and anyone who believes or says anything else is just plain wrong. Heretic scum...

Actually, I have my own favourite passage from the bible...I believe it is Leviticus 20:13 - look it up. Does God really love everyone?

Sorry to go off-topic, but this is what bothered me when I read that George Bush reportedly said that "God" told him to invade Iraq (using American colloquialisms, no less!). The thing is, many of the people we call terrorists also believe that "God" has told them to do the things they do.

Back on-topic, take up the question of morality of sexual activity with God? I tried, but he wouldn't pick up the phone...guess he was too busy giving George Bush advice on how he should go about invading Iran (or frying steak, whatever the subject of the day is, you know...)

Personally, on the Geroge Bush thing, I reckon Cheney and Rumsfeld were actually hiding under his bed, whispering to him as he slumbered...."George, go invade Iraq.....go on...i'll give you corn..."

And my two cents on this thread...they didn't show it, but I took it as Yes, they did have sex at the episode end. I guess the behaviour of the two in future episodes will indicate that better.

Lastly, on the no-sex-til-marriage debate, what if you've just married a girl you love, are having sex for the first time and then discover you suffer from premature ejaculation? Your wife has just made a life-long commitment to someone who cannot satisfy her. At least with sex before marriage, both you and your potential wife would know if you had a problem....

(that last paragraph is a joke, by the way.....actually, now I think about it, most of my post is meant in satire)

[hottietom]

I'm just saying this.

I hope beyond hope that something happens at the beginning of the next episode that make us think they didn't!

[TheKents]

They so clearly did, if you see that "Hidden" mini-trailer!

[shadow_2099]

Consider this, sex at 14 is not a grerat idea because the people involved can not handled the consequences of the act: financial, emotional, social, and physical.

HOWEVER, at 18 or above, these factors are a lot less of an issue. For one, the apportunity for work is much higher. Emotionally, most become significantly more mature. Socially, there is a lot less negative pressure for having sex at that age. And Physically, you know what you need to keep you and your partner safe and can take precautions as necessary.

(Also consider about 200-300 yeras ago, 13 year old girls were being married off and having kids...so lets not get to righteous ladies and germs).

Watch Lois and Clark: Clark tells his parents he had sex before Lois. Comics, its implied he had sex before lois. (He's only been married to Lois in both media hence he HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE!!!!) Sex before marriage might have been a morally bad choice in the 1930-1950s. But over time the morals of society DO change. Look at slavery, prejuidice, discrimination, even now with homosexuality. The morals of a society changes as it evolves. It is part of the process. At one point in time, the jewish kabbala, the islamic koran and the christian bibles were good teaching aides FOR THEIR TIME. But that time has passed and WORSE they take literal truth from metaphorical teachings.

But 2000 years later, we dont need those aides, and more they are not as revelant to the current social needs. Some still applies: dont kill (without a good reason, ie in defense or to protect others), dont steal, dont have adultry. These are all good ideals. But the hatred against gays, the idea that slavery is acceptable. The concept that God will reward those who kill infidels or heretics. The idea of that which we dont understand (ie supposed magic in Salem or the Inquisition) must be evil and destroyed. These are bad things and need to be left in the past.

As a race (one RACE, the human race, not white, black, asian, whatever) we need to move past superstition and ignorance. Take the lessons we learned and apply them.

A bit off topic, but ah well.

Shadow

[Timester]

Originally posted by shadow_2099
Watch Lois and Clark: Clark tells his parents he had sex before Lois. Comics, its implied he had sex before lois. (He's only been married to Lois in both media hence he HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE!!!!)

Wrong and wrong. In "L&C", Clark's first time was on their honeymoon. In the comics, it was always implied that Lois was his first and only one.

Now, I care less about it, but I do care about the image of Clark Kent, and right now, he is a dishonest and unethical liar, since he isn't human... :\


Originally posted by shadow_2099
As a race (one RACE, the human race, not white, black, asian, whatever) we need to move past superstition and ignorance. Take the lessons we learned and apply them.

Yet, Clark isn't human. ;)

[shadow_2099]

Nope, sorry you are incorrect. I watched every one of the LnC shows. He did admit to his parents that he had sex before. secondly, there is heavy implicit that he did in the comics. Its just the people who refuse to accept that sex out of marriage isnt a moral issue for mature adults.

Shadow

[Timester]

Originally posted by shadow_2099
Nope, sorry you are incorrect. I watched every one of the LnC shows. He did admit to his parents that he had sex before. secondly, there is heavy implicit that he did in the comics. Its just the people who refuse to accept that sex out of marriage isnt a moral issue for mature adults.

Shadow

"Virtually Destroyed", written by the show's star Dean Cain, Clark admits to Lois that he is a virgin.

[gloria]

Originally posted by Switchback
You asked:

FORNICATION -- Voluntary sex between a man and a woman that are not married.

God's word on the matter:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

You can't argue with that because God's word will always be the final authority of everything. I sent you more detail in PM.

Have a nice day,
SwitchBack

EXCUSE ME not every one believes in god anyway like me am Atheist so all that stuff you typeD dont mean anything to me (not putting down reglion,people can belive what ever makes them happy)

i mean if 2 people love each other why not?
i think people should be allowed to have sex when ever they want (before/after marriage w/e)..jus not when there too young cause thats jus disgusting but thats another topic :\

i know it is your opinion but the way your preaching it is like everyone should think like you.

buy anywoo.....

i am happy CLANA had sexxxxxxxxxxx!!!!!!!!! :\ :)
i mean they love each other...they always have ,we knew it from season 1 from the way they looked at each other it was meant to be...
:o

and i thought the way they done it was really romantic
BUT....why now?

why not in s4 after blank (not talkin about ratings or anything i mean CLANA deison to do it) when they where together again?
its like all of a sudden their hormones have kicked in ,in S5 and they need to have sex ((maybe coz they had a near death experence but come on how many times has that happened :lol: )
i dunno it jus seems rushed...i think it was it was too soon in the ship maybe...theyve neva really gone out for long periods of time...but i guess its alright cause they've known each other a long time so...

((i know the first time was kinda a heat of the moment thing and it wasnt planned..))i thought clark should of told lana he was an alien before he had sex with her,she had a right to know and i have a feeling his desion not to tell her before hand will backfire on him in the future

and they neva used protection ¬_¬ i doubt clark or lana walk around with them...

but overall am over the moon ....ESTACTIC!!!!!!!!!

they are finally together after 4 years and chloe seems ok with it too (am not a CHLARK fan :mad: )

well i just felt i had to put my 2 cents in...

*CLANA/KRISTOM FAN*4eva

(this person cant spell :\ )

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Timester
"Virtually Destroyed", written by the show's star Dean Cain, Clark admits to Lois that he is a virgin.

Ohhh... completely owned... : )

[smallvillefan26]

Originally posted by Switchback
I thought this was a very very bad and disasterous thing to show on Smallville. The reason I say that...I know the general age group demography for the show is people in their teens through thirtys but I know of alot of grammar school kids that are also drawn into the Superman thing and the high schoolers as well. I'm just 23 myself but I fall in under the demography but anyway here is the deal.

Superman is looked up to by alot of kids. He is a super hero. My thoughts are...alot of parents are so rotten these days that they could care less about teaching their kids any morals. So a major contributor to morals that they may be taught is what is depicted as being good or evil on TV. Superman/Clark Kent is suppose to be good. Showing or depicting fornication as acceptable and okay....is not very moral. Whether they said they love one another or not...that doesn't make it right. Don't confuse Love with Lust. I'm not sure how they are going to play this out in the next episode when Clark gets shot and gets his powers back. Maybe they do it like all this never happened....well if they do...that is still bad because in reality if two virgins have sex they can't ever go back or take back what has been taken. The same response I have whenever this stance is taken: It's not the network's, the show's, the producers', or the actors' responsibility to raise the children. If parents don't take the time to check what their kids are watching, that's their fault, and a show shouldn't be limited to what they want to show because of kids whose parents are too busy elsewhere to take the time to monitor their children. That being said, the love scene was very tastefully done with little shown, and let's be honest, it isn't as if Clark picked up a stranger on the street. This is the girl he's been in love with for years, and she him. There is much worse on tv than SV.

Not to keep the religious debate going, but I have to agree that just because there is a moral standard in your religion does not mean that these are the moral standards that everyone must abide by. Sure, the vast majority of the world is bound by a faith, but how many different religions are there in the world? Who's to say that the moral standards you hold dear are, in fact, the "right" ones (and I say that loosely because who knows if any of us are right)? I am certainly not trying to change anyone's mind because even though I have different beliefs, I respect each person's right to believe in what they want to believe in. What I do not respect, however, is when people present their beliefs as absolute fact and speak down to those who do not share the same views (i.e. "You will find out someday.").

[SmallTownSuperHero]

Didn't a MOD tell us to stop debating this here? Why are all you people still talking about it? Not that I don't find it interesting, and would defend my previous points, but a MOD told us to stop, and I think that means, STOP.

[gloria]

i didnt know.... :\

[smallvillefan26]

Nor did I....but I'm done. :)

[SmallTownSuperHero]

LOL Proud Penny posted on here... how could you not know?

Anyways....

[Ultron]

Originally posted by dwgebler
Well, you just can't argue or reason with religious fundamentalists.

Just as you can't argue morals and beliefs with anti-religious extremists, right?

Seriously, avoid kneejerk rationalization like that at all costs because it benefits no one.

Morality is a determination of right and wrong. Good and bad. People base their beliefs on a number of things. Religion. Instinct. Gut feeling. But to say logic is neccessarily apart from any of those reasons is incorrect.

What may be morally-right to you might not be for someone else. And vice-versa.

Person A believes sex is ok outside of marriage.
Person B believes sex is not ok outside of marriage.

Who is right? That's a moral issue.

This is all a matter of opinion, and I think you guys can respect each other without bashing the religious or others merely because they have a different opinion. :)

[markbot]

looks like the question was answered in Hidden!!

[montevallo]

im sorry, but i have to reply to this


Originally posted by Switchback
First of all, learn some discernment. I haven't preached to anyone here yet. If you call that preaching you must be totally out of the loop of what preaching really is. I stated a fact about fornication. If that hits home with you...that's your problem to deal with. I didn't write it. Take it up with God. So speaking of which, God's Word fiction? I don't think so pal. Anybody who says that is totally ignorant of any historical facts or premisis. It is the most organized and fully detailed factual history book ever written or ever will be written about the Jewish people and while at the same time carrying over into gentile people (not Jewish) from past to present to future. I went to school and studied the history of it...probably have more books on the subject matter than most of you have comic books of superheros...I should be the one to know. God's word IS the final authority. You'll find out someday.


first of all, i used "preaching" for lack of a better word. i dont like to have people say that what they belive is right, espessaly when it comes to jesus because im jewish.

when it comes to this statement: "If that hits home with you...that's your problem to deal with. I didn't write it. Take it up with God" heres what i have to say

hold those comments back unless you really know what your talking about, im a freshman in highschool, i havent so much as kissed a girl other than my mom, gramndma, aunt ect.
senond, i dont pray, i never will either, if i need help, i will ask someone who will actually, with 100%, will answer me. i wont beg to someone i dont even belive in to maybe give me help on something that i really should be able to decide for myself.
finally, i all ready have my own veiws on this, i will not have sex untill im out of school, that way if i do get a women pregnent out of wedlock, i would be able to marry her or devote my time to her, take full responsability of the baby, or devote my time to helping her with the baby. if im not able to do the last two, then i will most definently propose to her, if she turns me down, thats her loss, ill still try to help though.

i dont care what you think about god, but keep it to tourself, and if you have to talk about it, go make a bible study thread and talk there. im not going to argue on the authenticity of the bible since ive never read it.

[DGreen]

i think we all just need to agree to disagree on this one. cause lets face it, those who think sex b4 marriage is immoral will always think that way and those who don't will always think that way. theres not really going to be any point where we all agree and i think everything that needs to be said on both sides of the argument has already been said.

also, quite a few of these debates started off as why clark kent shouldn't have with anyone until he falls in love with lois. i enjoyed discussing that. these morality and religious debates are just frustrating. with that said, i don't have a problem with clark losing his virginity to lana instead of lois. do we really expect him to wait for lois? it's not like he knows what we know, he thinks he'll be with lana forever. also, do we expect him to be a 30 yr old virgin. when the comics where written this was more common. also, i don't think that it tarnishes his morality either, but since thats apart of the other debate, i'm not going to delve into that argument.

[Sydafex7]

Originally posted by Switchback
You asked:

FORNICATION -- Voluntary sex between a man and a woman that are not married.

God's word on the matter:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

You can't argue with that because God's word will always be the final authority of everything. I sent you more detail in PM.

Have a nice day,
SwitchBack

You know when that was written? I don't know an exact date but I can tell you it was written a very very long time ago when it was frowned upon. But guess what? It's the 21 century. Time changes and society changes with it.

Just because God says so isn't a good reason because not everyone believes in God.

have a nice day idiot

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
Just because God says so isn't a good reason because not everyone believes in God.

As with all the other books in the bible, god didn't put pen to paper once. And god never actually "said" it. We were just told by a few randoms a long time ago "Yeah, man - God spoke to me".

As far as I'm concerned we have ancient word of mouth vs. instinct.

PS: Yeah they did it - I'm not subscribing to this thread, but I'm getting emails. How do I change that?

[Sydafex7]

As soon as you visit the thread they will send you one man. Don't visit it and you will stop getting them.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Sydafex7
As soon as you visit the thread they will send you one man. Don't visit it and you will stop getting them.

Hmm, just visited it to see that. Cheers for the advice :) I never actually thought of that.

[SmallTownSuperHero]

Again, a bunch of people completely ignore a moderator's request to stop arguing religion here.

And by the way, Ultron, we've already discussed your theory, aka Relativism. Read my previous posts. LOGIC is NOT involved in relativism, which is a completely and utterly inane way of thinking.
Just because it's my opinion something is right, doesn't make it right. Morality can't be formed from opinions. If it was, there would be no true morality.

Sadly, discussing this further, we've all been immoral. You know why? We were told to stop by someone we willingly agreed to listen to, and kept going. So I'd say, either PM the argument, or stop, but either way this thread needs to stay on topic >.<

[gloria]

what was that again? :\

o yea if Clana done "it" yet.....yea they did and more than once :) :D :p

[chloe's pal]

Originally posted by gloria
what was that again? :\

o yea if Clana done "it" yet.....yea they did and more than once :) :D :p

yay it's about time ... I may not be the biggest Lana fan around, but some progress in this relationship - finally- is great to see :lol:

[RedQ]

STORY WISE: Did he do it or NOT is Still unknown?
IF he did what acceptable reasoning would that be? cause doing it to be normal IS an EXTREAMELY Lame excuse, even in this Culture.
Originally posted by lzpoof
Most people started watching this show and got excited about it because it was an opportunity to see what Superman may have been like as a teenager without the weight of the world on his shoulders and without supreme confidence in his abilities.... to enjoy the humor in him discovering himself and abilities and chuckle as he balances homework and meteor freaks...
Yeah the episode didn't do justice like 4.19 Blank. There should have been the same quality of Clark interaction when he does not have his powers. like Perosanl strugles of not being able to save some one cause he has no power and people dying, also Helping someone and he gets hurt BADLY, and Possible pregnancy! (SUPERBOY!), etc...

I'm still hoping for a twist like Lois dies and Chloe takes her identity. (NOT that I don't like ED.)

I wonder if the story twist is:
Lana = Lust
Lois = Love?

Now Chloe had relations with Jimmy Olson that is supposedly a younger Generation. SO Chloe is a cradle-robber.

and in Smallville, Lois is a year Older than Clark.

[Honey45]

In Arrival, they layed down on the floor half naked on top of each other..
In Mortal, they woke up naked in Clark's bed..

I think sex is more than implied.


Also: Clark's conversation with his parents.
"We're both 18 (age of consent)., I've loved Lana since I was 4. We used protection."

[princesslaya]

.......If Smallville had been on the FX channel......we would have proably got to see the whole FREAKING sex scene!!!!