Mortal Punches

[manofsteele05]

SO is it me or did that 1st punch CLark gave to that thug one of the best you ever compared to all other ones he normally gives with his super powers???? TO me that one meant a whole lot more and call me corny but it FELT better to me too. The beat down he gave LEX made me breathe easier and that was like the most unbelievable and exciting moment on SMALLVILLE ever.. Tell me what you all felt as he layed the SMACKDOWN on both characters,, what was on your mind as Lex looked liked the wounded dog he is when Clark beat him????

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by manofsteele05
what was on your mind as Lex looked liked the wounded dog he is when Clark beat him????

I thought, "wow, this is surpisingly sexy"

[Jay Eff]

Well, I was like: NOOO!!! And then: O M G! and the: Come on, Alexander Luthor, you can do so much better!

[manofsteele05]

^^ :) My 2 female freinds that watched it with me said the same thing..

[The Source]

It's weird that Lex can punch Clark better than the FoTWs. One hit and he's bleeding. The FoTWs hit with all their might and powers and Clark's still standing fine.

[mrchrisieclass]

the ides i think is the punch was a punch of passion not power hence it wounds clark

[BrianD]

yea seemed like he hit with more power than when he does have his powers huh

[Brainiac_13]

1. People without superpowers who punch numerous people in the face tend not so much to knock them out as damage their knuckles on solid bone.

2. It hurts when he oh so originally hits his thumb with a hammer, but he doesn't feel a thing when pounding solid masses with the thin flesh that covers the front of his hands. (But of course, that's the media in general - it's a standard of any non-nerd character to have innate martial arts skill and to possess the ability to render people unconscious with single blows to the face.)

3. The main FOTW was a linebacker without his powers. It's not like the loss of them would make him weaker. He should have been able to bash the crap out of Clark.

4. Lex has the worst reflexes, especially for someone so good at fencing. Because he's the bad guy, his punches merely dramatically turn the head of Clark Kent. It was funny, too, that Clark had in general taken a most savage beating, all things considered: Hitting his hand with a hammer, punching a guy a lot of times, being thrown around by superpowers, getting burned by lasers - but none of that drew any blood. Lex's girly punch, though, drew plenty. Wouldn't the matter have been just as simply solved by having Clark be all bloodied up in the first place? I mean, the whole reason for these fisticuffs was to demonstrate for Lex that Clark is not Kal El, right? ("Kal-El would not bleed.") But...but...but wait: How did Clark know what the objective was? Oh yeah: It was in the script.

[FOG]

I think Clark punches way better when he is normal.After the fight was over I was thinking Clark and Lex's friendship is over.

[mrchrisieclass]

lex did not do a girly punch!!

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by mrchrisieclass
lex did not do a girly punch!!

Sorry, that was a little sexist I suppose. Girls COULD probably punch better, you are right.

[Daphne]

Sigh, Clark can punch........

[mrchrisieclass]

lex did a lovely left hand

[Hop115]

it was kinda of wierd not seeing the thug fly 40 feet after clark punched him, but i tought it was still great

[Venusian Blind]

Originally posted by Braniac
4. Lex has the worst reflexes, especially for someone so good at fencing. Because he's the bad guy, his punches merely dramatically turn the head of Clark Kent. It was funny, too, that Clark had in general taken a most savage beating, all things considered: Hitting his hand with a hammer, punching a guy a lot of times, being thrown around by superpowers, getting burned by lasers - but none of that drew any blood. Lex's girly punch, though, drew plenty. Wouldn't the matter have been just as simply solved by having Clark be all bloodied up in the first place? I mean, the whole reason for these fisticuffs was to demonstrate for Lex that Clark is not Kal El, right? ("Kal-El would not bleed.") But...but...but wait: How did Clark know what the objective was? Oh yeah: It was in the script.

A laser would not draw blood. Something that hot would immediately cauterize the wound. It would hurt like heck, and look pretty nasty...but no bleeding there. You're right about his other encounters though. Perhaps Clark was just trying to show Lex firsthand that he could be hurt...regardless of the "Kal-El would not bleed line." Clark's not [incredibly] stupid...plus Chloe's helped him realize that Lex has reasoned out more than he should about Clark.

[ClarksNextGF]

I don't think that Clark normally "punches" anyone. He just kinda 'pushes' them, and they go flying. Cuz, if he DID hit them - with his powers - it would probably shatter their heads. How many walls has he taken out that way?

Seeing him actually punch someone - was great! It was the first time he do that without holding back.

DON'T MESS WITH LANA!! I have said that many times. MOST of the FOTWs would be fine, if they hadn't involved Lana in their schemes. As soon as they touch her - Clark gets mad. (They should put a sign in Bel Reve - Caution: Stay away from the brunette).

I think that Lex has had that coming for quite a while, but he never quite set Clark off enough. BUT, this time he "put Lana and my family in danger." So, when Clark realized that Lex endangered Lana - he had had enough.

[Brainiac_13]

I rewatched this scene a couple of times today. (Oh geez, I just admitted that in public...er...) Anyway: It seems to me that certain actors were a bit too used to direction with effects in mind. Same with the director/fight choreographer. It's like they just don't know how to let Clark fight normally, given their 4 years of never having to worry much about it. The effect, if you look closely, is a subtle underconfidence in Welling's presentation. THAT's why the fight seems less than believable. That, plus the choreography still seems designed to make Clark look above average in potency, which makes sense from a heroic pov, but which doesn't jibe well with the normalcy issue.

Things they probably should have left out:

Ability to knock a person of similar stature to the ground with a single punch.

Ability to forcibly lift and hurl person of similar stature.

Superior personal balance and control.

Lack of reflexes on the part of Lex

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If you've never punched a person in the face, I don't recommend it.

BUT: It hurts...not just the person you're hitting, but it jars your wrist and breaks capillaries and smashes nerves and even splits the skin on your knuckles.

It also doesn't tend to knock people down, or out. It tends to piss them off.

Punching people in the face is probably the worst possible way to fight. Faces/Skulls are HARD. TV people are stupid in this regard. Seriously: If you ever get in a fight and want to get out of it with minimal fuss and without losing like a punk, go for the soft parts. ;) (Eyes, throat, gut, kidneys, groin, knees).

Anyway: People you're trying to hit also tend to try to move out of the way so as NOT to be hit.

And, when you try to throw them across a room, they try to resist.

They also do this weird thing with their arms: Defend themselves and hit back, and attempt to grab you, and attempt to get away, etc.

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A funny point I just thought of: Lex believed that Clark was a super-powered bad-ass, but he didn't pansy out or try to duck or beg or anything when the beating commenced.

He also didn't really react to being called a coward or anything else. Just stood there while choreoclark kicked his butt.

[Ultron]

Honestly, I think Lex was in shock, and didn't expect it. I think the whole situation totally surprised Lex.

[Jellie]

You are just afraid to admit that Clark can rock the show, hell he kicked Lex's ass :lol:

[Lobby4Chloe]

I like the fact that while he was taking shots from Clark, he was still trying to maintain that Clark was the one going nuts even though he wasn't lying very well and knew Clark was dead on. He could have punched Clark back at any point, but to do so confirms everything. He looked like he did it more out of reflex than he really wanted to.

[jarethmc]

The wounded,shocked look on Lex's face after he punched Clark and seemingly drew mortal blood was awsome. But the punch I was most impressed with was when superless powered Clark had just fininshed smashing the electricity circuit breaker with the sledge hammer and dropped it immediatley. He turned around and came after "Sparky" with the most impressive look of determined outrage of a man whose loved ones had been messed with and Im assuming a shot of adrenyln coursed through his veins. He delivered a rock solid punch and Sparky went down!! But my immediate reaction as Clark was dropping the sledge hammer was NO dont drop it, you need it! Boy,
am I glad I was wrong!! That was a Mortal Punch!!

[Hendo]

yea clark doens't really punch anyone he just tosses them usually :@ In the eppisode with the Nicodeums Flower (I think) remember when Pete was going to shoot Lex? Clarke just tapped him on the forehead and knocked him out cold.

[Ultron]

Originally posted by jarethmc
But the punch I was most impressed with was when superless powered Clark had just fininshed smashing the electricity circuit breaker with the sledge hammer and dropped it immediatley. He turned around and came after "Sparky" with the most impressive look of determined outrage of a man whose loved ones had been messed with and Im assuming a shot of adrenyln coursed through his veins. He delivered a rock solid punch and Sparky went down!! But my immediate reaction as Clark was dropping the sledge hammer was NO dont drop it, you need it! Boy,
am I glad I was wrong!!

I also thought Clark might not have dropped it, but ultimately the boy _can_ fight, and it's not like he's physically weak. And Sparksalot needs a little setup time to use his electricity, and doesn't look any more physically impressive than Clark does. Clark got in a few good punches that episode. :D

[Superboy2]

Clark never punches in the face, he has tapped their head, like he did to Pete in season 1, and the guard in Scare(S4). Clark with powers hits in the chest, because he doesn't know if he hits someone's face if it'll kill him/her.

[madCoder]

Seriously, how many people drool over Clark's body on the show (and otherwise Tom's body)? The guy was a construction worker before he became a model for A&F. So even without super powers, I'm pretty sure Clark could still pack a pretty good punch - enough to knock a guy out. And I surely wouldn't compare Sparky's stature to Clark's. He's a big guy, but not that big.

But yeah, I was very happy to see that scene where Clark confronted Lex. I was like "Wow! He's been waiting to do that for four years!"

[Lord_Balthaazar]

I loved it, it shows he's prepared for anything that comes his way. Hes learned actual fighting techniques, skill, his own strength, he did well being mortal.

I saw nothing wrong with Lex's punch, that it drew blood and the look on Lex's face. Poor Lex, everytime he thinks hes got it figured out, it is never proven, but seemingly disproved.

Lex must be thinking hes going mad slightly, that he thought he was doing things for a reason, that his actions were in search of the truth, but then to see he wounded his best friend, that hes just human (as far as lex can tell then) and did all those things to test him, find out, over the years.. and even if there was more to it, Lex must realize Clark is right, Lex has been going too far, becoming obsessed with Clark instead of being a friend. (though that works both ways, still, a realization for Lex)

Lex may or may not have intendedly set them free, the camera feed and setup seems, he might have, but if he didnt, its another example of Lex causing pain and destruction, bad things, regardless of his intent. That all he does, starting out with motives of good, turn to naught and ill.

Back on topic, Clark is made of tougher stuff than just super powers, hes a hero through and through.

Chloe beeming at him saying, "Wow, you can still take out three meteor freaks all by yourself! No special advantages, or anything, you are a Hero Clark.." (something around those lines) That was great, I love this season so far.

[ClarksNextGF]

"Don't mess with Farm Boys. Bailing all that hay can make you pretty strong."

Regardless of his powers, he is a farm boy, and does alot of strenuous chores. There is no reason at all why he wouldn't have knocked Lex down. For one thing, he caught Lex off guard - especially the first time. Lex doesn't do any type of workouts - he pays other people to do stuff for him..

[President_Luthor]

In Clark's mind, Lex had it coming. What I don't get is how many times Lex just 'took' it. One punch, maybe he'd let it slide as Clark being upset. Two punches or more, well it's becoming a bit of a beating. Maybe he was truly stunned that a 'friend' could switch from being willing to 'rebuild' to doing an about-face.

Lex drew blood when Clark prodded him on, and IMHO it was 'that' punch which was four lie-and-secret-filled years in the making.

[Ultron]

Originally posted by madCoder
And I surely wouldn't compare Sparky's stature to Clark's. He's a big guy, but not that big.

That's a good point. Clark is pretty tall, so alot of actors, even villains we've seen, have actually been smaller than him.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by madCoder
The guy was a construction worker before he became a model for A&F. So even without super powers, I'm pretty sure Clark could still pack a pretty good punch - enough to knock a guy out.

So, your argument is that because the actor worked construction for like, a day, that his character should be able to beat people up easily?

(Focus more on the fashion model part, please. That's more likely to have been his dominant pre-acting focus. Star-bios are notoriously full of crap, as you probably know.)

Anyway: UPON FURTHER REFLECTION:

Go back and watch Run, for a recent example of Lex's fighting abilities.

He kung fus the ever-living crap out of a thug MUCH bigger than Clark and it takes a serious beating from two people to put him down.

[Ultron]

Well the arguement that applies here is that Clark is a big man, and is pretty strong, and Lex was surprised. Watch that scene in Run, when he gets surprised by a man much smaller than him. Lex gets decked by a man that barely came to his chin. As in, knocked out. Despite his fighting abilities.

When Lex wasn't stunned by being hit by his best friend, he caught Clark's hand and belted him.

[All about Clark]

Umm, Clark baited him into punching.

[President_Luthor]

Clark baited him for a reason, and no doubt he was glad Lex cut his lip ... so that he can perpetuate his four-years-of-lying streak, and avoid levelling with Lex at all. Clark seemed to forget all about 'rebuilding' for the future. Like JK, Clark's word isn't worth the oxygen cells he used to utter it.

Notice how Clark's justification was blurting out that Lex risked Lana -and- his family. In his mind, a good reason, though it's not the first time a Luthor has risked the lives of those people - either intentionally or indirectly through some other scheme.

They both had a right to do some punching, and they 'both' deserved those punches. But I'd say Lex's punch was four years in the making, since Clark has not levelled with him in any meaningful degree. If Lex lashed out after Clark's he-man pounding, it's because, IMHO, he's had it up to here with Clark's sanctimonious song-and-dance and this is the year he's not going to idly take it any longer.

Lex is going to strike back and settle scores. Clark thought he was being so cunning with his 'see, I bleed like a human' routine. Fine, Lana and his folks were put in immediate danger and he had some anti-Luthor axe-grinding to unleash. But I suspect it's nothing compared to what Lex WILL do when he finally delivers his comeuppence to Clark Kent.

When he does, I am sure Clark will wish he never marched into Lex's office then ..... :lol: (maniacal laugh)

[MBCorp]

^^ Heh, if I was Lex I'd sue. Seriously, some kid breaks into his office without permission and starts punching the crap out of him. I'd take the Kents for all they had. Funny thing is that the law would be totally on Lex's side since Chloe and Clark also broke into LuthorCorp and Lex has proof.:p

[Tacosupes]

WOW Brainiac , you discovered Smallville is not one hundred percent realistic! DUH!!! You dont have to point that out about every episode, like you did with "ARRIVAL". We get the point , stop beating a dead horse. WE dont care.

Of course Lex did not do a girly punch but Brainiac likes to nitpick even the best smallville episodes to death. So the negative tone of all his posts begs the question of why he even watches the show.

Anyone who watches S.V. and actually pays attention knows Lex was trained in the martial arts by an ex- green Beret, and he started LAna's martial arts training when she was nearly raped in (precipise, season 2) .

So the cool punch reversal Lex did shows he didnt forget all his training, and remains consistant. I was glad CLARK decked him, he deserved it. It great use of the fact that Clark has lost his powers, and can deal with people like LEX on an equal level, instead of using kid gloves all the time. The only thing that sucked was all the prior commericials gave the moment away. I would have been rolling on the floor laughing if that scene caught me by surprise. I still loved it.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by Tacosupes
WOW Brainiac , you discovered Smallville is not one hundred percent realistic! DUH!!! You dont have to point that out about every episode, like you did with "ARRIVAL". We get the point , stop beating a dead horse. WE dont care.


Oh, good. Another one of you people. "Smallville is my god. Bow down and worship the one true Smallville, or else. Smallville is excellent simply because it is on the air. Etc."

Let me goosestep on over here and set my mind on "notice nothing fishy until Everwood starts".



Of course Lex did not do a girly punch


Thank you for ignoring my suggested comparison in order to attempt to disagree with my assertion.



but Brainiac likes to nitpick even the best smallville episodes to death.


Yes. And...? I'm not allowed to do that for some reason?



So the negative tone of all his posts begs the question of why he even watches the show.


1. Because I like Superman.
2. Because I like the SV concept.
3. Because it's entertaining to watch.
4. Because it's entertaining to discuss.



Anyone who watches S.V. and actually pays attention knows Lex was trained in the martial arts by an ex- green Beret, and he started LAna's martial arts training when she was nearly raped in (precipise, season 2) .


What was my point again? I forget.



So the cool punch reversal Lex did shows he didnt forget all his training, and remains consistant.


"Punch reversal"? I saw him block a punch and then punch back. Like a girl. Is that what you meant?



I was glad CLARK decked him, he deserved it.


The fact that you were glad Clark punched Lex negates my argument how, exactly?



It great use of the fact that Clark has lost his powers, and can deal with people like LEX on an equal level, instead of using kid gloves all the time.


On even 'mortal' terms, Lex is a superior combatant to Clark.



The only thing that sucked was all the prior commericials gave the moment away. I would have been rolling on the floor laughing if that scene caught me by surprise. I still loved it.


I think you accidentally slipped into sycophant mode before you finished ripping me a new one. Take your Adderall.

[Tacosupes]

So stop whining about "realism" we know some frail people sometimes hurt their hands when they punch someone. So lay off the realism whine. This is a COMIC_BOOK based show for gods sake, not CSI.

Can we expect more moaning about plausibility in a show in which the main character is an ALIEN ? Do you have any idea how ironically stupid such expectations are?

Yeah, yeah, the police wouldn't respond so quickly to an alien crash site in arrival. We know that Einstein.

"Brainiac" huh? What a misnomer.

[Lord_Balthaazar]

I agree, Relax Brainiac, im sure youre not here to win friends and be a hero, but you are annoying. Thought you should know..

;)

[MBCorp]

Have you guys even read the forum rules?


7) DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOW ITSELF, NOT OTHER POSTERS OR FANS. We can't say this enough. Threads about why people like Lana more than Chloe (or vice versa) or posting things like "People who think that are just stupid and prudeish" or attempting to psychoanalyze the reasons why another member of this board feels the way they do, or even couching it under "positive" terms such as "I'm glad people stopped talking about that really stupid and annoying subject!" are not allowed.

The sole purpose of this message forum is to facilitate discussion among fans about Smallville and the related Superman mythos. It is not here to discuss how stupid people who disagree with you are.

10) This board is for the discussion of anything Smallville, whether it is positive or negative. Everyone has a right to their opinions, so making statements like "how can you all think this way" or "why does everybody hate....." is frowned upon. (Making remarks like "You're all just jealous"... is considered flaming!).

At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville is a terrible show.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by Tacosupes
So stop whining about "realism" we know some frail people sometimes hurt their hands when they punch someone.


Clark Kent has never been without the benefit of super powers in doing anything. He's not going to be good at fighting or anything else without them. His reflexes, strength, everything were not honed by farm labor, they were innate. Now, they are gone, but he's still a tough guy? My foot.

This isn't an argument for "realism" as in "things should resemble day to day life" it's an argument for IN CONTEXT realism.



So lay off the realism whine. This is a COMIC_BOOK based show for gods sake, not CSI.


CSI has worse realism than SV, as a matter of fact. As if Crime Scene Units go around interrogating and arresting people. They're freakin' forensics teams, damnit!

Anyway: I freaking KNOW this is a comic book based show. That's why I watch it, as I mentioned above.

I also do not "whine". I "analyze" and "point out" for the sake of hopefully stimulating interesting conversation. How about either participating or shutting the intercourse up? I'm not going to stop discussing things I find interesting/important just because some kneebiter doesn't like what I have to say.



Can we expect more moaning about plausibility in a show in which the main character is an ALIEN ? Do you have any idea how ironically stupid such expectations are?


1. Yes, you can.
2. I'm discussing the points IN CONTEXT, from the point of view of the story, not from real people living on real Earth.



Yeah, yeah, the police wouldn't respond so quickly to an alien crash site in arrival. We know that Einstein.


Thanks for straw-manning me. I never picked that particular nit.



"Brainiac" huh? What a misnomer.

Edited for content.


Originally posted by Lord_Balthaazar
I agree, Relax Brainiac, im sure youre not here to win friends and be a hero, but you are annoying. Thought you should know..

;)

I'm perfectly relaxed. You tards are the ones getting worked up. I'm simply discussing problem areas of the writing.

I assume you guys are here taking potshots at me because you're too young to get the references in the NC17 Fan Fic forum?

[Lord_Balthaazar]

uh huh.. :rolleyes:

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by Lord_Balthaazar
uh huh.. :rolleyes:

I can't figure out why I shouldn't ignore this aside from the fact that it's never a good policy to allow a rolleyes to be the last word. It's a defining principle of my netlife.

[Messenger]

I think Lex took the first few punches on purpose, and then decided to hit Clark back. One on one Lex could beat the crap out of Clark, Lex has spent his life learning combat, Clark is a pacifist farm boy.

Lex hit him hard on the first try, and could have beat Clark into the ground if he hadn't been freaked out. He shouldn't have been so surprised though, every time Clark gets a wee bit mortally, he runs over and shows Lex he was hit by a car, has a wound, etc.

It's like clockwork really, Lex has Clark on a pretty short leash when you think about it.

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by Messenger

He shouldn't have been so surprised though, every time Clark gets a wee bit mortally, he runs over and shows Lex he was hit by a car, has a wound, etc.



Hehe. Good one. :D

[Ultron]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Umm, Clark baited him into punching.

Umm, no kidding. Clark wanted Lex to hit him. I don't think that was lost on anyone. :p

I don't see what the fuss is all about. Personally I think Lex had a nice punch, but Clark's a big guy. It's not like Lex attacked with a martial arts chop or anything. Just a straight out punch.

Also Clark has ordinary reflexes and toughness, and trust me, people can ignore pain in stressful times or in a fight when they are focused.

[tejdog1]

Lex could've laid a SMACKDOWN on Clark, if Lex wanted to. And jeesh, I wish he had. It's about time Lex beats Clark to a pulp for the crappy way he's been treated by his 'supposed best friend'. I've really had it up to here, as well, with this stupid Boy Scout. It's NO WONDER Lex goes evil. I would too. BRING IT ON, Clark deserves it!

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by tejdog1
Lex could've laid a SMACKDOWN on Clark, if Lex wanted to. And jeesh, I wish he had. It's about time Lex beats Clark to a pulp for the crappy way he's been treated by his 'supposed best friend'. I've really had it up to here, as well, with this stupid Boy Scout. It's NO WONDER Lex goes evil. I would too. BRING IT ON, Clark deserves it!

Preach it!

Man, Clark has shown himself to be nothing but a self-centered lying punk. He deceives Lex, repeatedly breaks into his house, steals his stuff, assaults him and all the while treats LEX like a bad guy.

I'm going to enjoy seeing Clark get a cap popped in his ass this week. :evilgrin: