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sstray72
10-06-2005, 06:17 PM
He really doesnt care about his destiny at. all. It looks like she will be shaping his future alot.

lookingformylois
10-06-2005, 06:17 PM
he only care and lana he doesnt see the big picture

ksrli
10-06-2005, 06:19 PM
yeah I love how clark is all like my future? whatever.

he doesn't care at all he just wants Lana. I agree that chloe will probably help clark finally fufill his destiny.

umm
10-06-2005, 06:21 PM
Where would that boy be if he didn´t have Chloe to guide him?

lookingformylois
10-06-2005, 06:27 PM
I see chloe as a friend he will have forever and will be too talk too even when he is superman , she will be what he wants lana too be without the sex

PETER WEST
10-06-2005, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by lookingformylois
he only care and lana he doesnt see the big picture

That's Why he's going to have to leave lana(THANK GOD),(She the one that's holding him back from, fullfilling his DESTINY.)

I'll say it once I'll say it again as a Teenager Clark is one BIG DUMBASS ALIEN, Thankfully as an Adult Clark/SUPERMAN is one SUPER BADASS ALIEN.


Originally posted by ksrli
chloe will probably help clark finally fufill his destiny.

I believe Chloe will push Clark forward's towards his Destiny.

sstray72
10-06-2005, 07:17 PM
Chloe will probably end up designing the Superman outfit on her computer! :)

What would Clark do without Chloe? :D

opticon
10-06-2005, 07:22 PM
im glad that writers finaly have a clear defined role for chloe that is vital to the progresion of the story, encourging clark and helping him to look at the greater picture

Superchik92
10-06-2005, 08:20 PM
Clark's just being stubbern. He's too all blind with Lana. I agree Chloe will help him reach his destiny.

Clark's just being stubbern. He's too all blind with Lana. I agree Chloe will help him reach his destiny.

MBCorp
10-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Clark is like those guys that end up living in their parent's basement and working at the 7-Eleven.

chrismalicdem05
10-06-2005, 08:39 PM
lol mbcorp, its all good tho cuz chloe is gonna guide him, chloes awesome

Arista 07
10-06-2005, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by MBCorp
Clark is like those guys that end up living in their parent's basement and working at the 7-Eleven.
:lol:

I can imagine Clark, still powerless, with a beer belly, sitting on a lumpy couch watching t.v. Lana comes in and serves him his microwavable dinner. "Why don't we go out anymore? You used to tell me you love me everyday. You used to not be pregnant year round." "Stop with the squirrel faces, woman! Can't you see I'm watching Chloe on the channel 8 news?!"

On a serious note, Clark really is as Chloe deemed him "completely useless" without his powers. Not to mention, completely apathetic. I was ticked that Clark didn't seem to be the least bit concerned about how his "meteor rock" infested town would fair without its resident hero. Now, he has gone as far as to say he's done with selfless acts, in general? Because his powers are gone he no longer feels it necessary to actively help people, making Clark's view of his powers more a burden than anything else. Clark's too old and has done too much to have that mentality. His abilities have saved the world and numerous lives, along with it. Now, he's consumed with all things Lana Lang and "glad to be normal." It's "all he ever wanted." What a crappy portrayl of future Superman.

MBCorp
10-06-2005, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Arista 07
On a serious note, Clark really is as Chloe deemed him "completely useless" without his powers. Not to mention, completely apathetic. I was ticked that Clark didn't seem to be the least bit concerned about how his "meteor rock" infested town would fair without its resident hero. Now, he has gone as far as to say he's done with selfless acts, in general? Because his powers are gone he no longer feels it necessary to actively help people, making Clark's view of his powers more a burden than anything else. Clark's too old and has done too much to have that mentality. His abilities have saved the world and numerous lives, along with it. Now, he's consumed with all things Lana Lang and "glad to be normal." It's "all he ever wanted." What a crappy portrayl of future Superman.

Wow...this hadn't even occured to me. Those are some good points though, and I agree, it is a crappy potrayal of Superman when you really think about it. Clark's still being too passive. :\

sstray72
10-06-2005, 09:01 PM
Yeah, Clark's apathy toward his abilities and helping people is a regression from Leech, and is the only thing that I truly disliked about the episode. :(

SteveS
10-06-2005, 09:44 PM
Good phrase, Clark is way, way, wayyyyy too passive. It is time for him to get his act together.

(and Chloe looked great in this episode)

Lord Rae
10-06-2005, 09:46 PM
If Clark is whipped this bad before whats he gonna be like from now on? yesh!

Summers
10-06-2005, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Arista 07
Clark's too old and has done too much to have that mentality. His abilities have saved the world and numerous lives, along with it. Now, he's consumed with all things Lana Lang and "glad to be normal." It's "all he ever wanted." What a crappy portrayl of future Superman.

I agree. I didn't like hearing that coming from him at all. It was utter regression, and show less maturity of him.

Kal-El 2005
10-06-2005, 09:52 PM
Well after so much years I'd be horny too.
Let him just have a few episodes to let it out! Then when its out of his system he can get back on track with his life and ex-powers and realize that he should be with Chloe or the Big-Boobed one :D

superspider02
10-06-2005, 10:06 PM
chloe is indeed the one who shapes his future and will show him how to be a better person/hero.

gtjsasso-el
10-06-2005, 10:34 PM
Yeah I think he will come to a realization that "with great powers comes great responsibility"... sorry for the spiderman reference! But yeah he is being a total moron. Something has got to happen to show him that there is more to life, and more to his destiny than getting Lana in the sack.

Eh,Man?You-El?
10-06-2005, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by gtjsasso-el
Yeah I think he will come to a realization that "with great powers comes great responsibility"... sorry for the spiderman reference!

Hmmm... I thought it was a "Kung Fu Hustle" reference!
;)

Shadow09
10-06-2005, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by sstray72
Chloe will probably end up designing the Superman outfit on her computer! :)

What would Clark do without Chloe? :D

Of course with the help of the Kents cause remember we seen him have a red blanket on him in one episode when he got stabbed by that kryptonian dagger.... ah memories... bet you all forgot about that one

jadkins555
10-06-2005, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Summers
I agree. I didn't like hearing that coming from him at all. It was utter regression, and show less maturity of him.

That makes me think of Superman 3 when Superman said something like, "I hope you don't think I'm going to rescue you. I'm not into that anymore."

LuckyKrypto
10-06-2005, 11:24 PM
I loved everything about this episode with Chloe! She totally rocked!

I am really hoping to see more episodes like these with Clark and Chloe working together. I thought it was great! :D

Poetic Chaos
10-06-2005, 11:32 PM
Chloe was awesome.

Lex was awesome for FINALLY punching Clark back.

And Clark is a total jackass now. A jackass with no powers. I REALLY can't wait for him to get them back. I agree with everyone else, it is a regression for him to want to give up the hero life. It's like he's saying "well haven't I saved enough people yet?" That's just not the kinda CK I want on SV.

gtjsasso-el
10-06-2005, 11:40 PM
Don't forget about Bo Kent. He tried to tell Clark too that he was being a jackass for being so smug about losing his powers. He isn't normal without powers... having powers is his normal. Without them he is decidedly abnormal.

ma200
10-07-2005, 12:08 AM
it's interesting how chloe, who has quite a few things in common with future lois, cannot convince clark that he will always be so much more than just...ordinary.

chrismen
10-07-2005, 12:10 AM
I love how Chloe has a much more important role in this season. At least it looks that way.

constancelight
10-07-2005, 12:21 AM
I was just watching "Run" on ABC family before tonight's episode, and in it Clark tells his dad that his abilities are not ment to cheat people but to help people. That he can't run away from them because they are who he is.

Now comparing it to where Clark is now, it really shows that he is being selfish and only caring about Lana.

I'm glad Chloe's there to get him on the Superman track.

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
10-07-2005, 01:00 AM
I agree with what you've all said. It's sad that someone has to guide Clark's path like this, the boy needs to grow a brain, and pull his head from his behind, and start acting like a man instead of a whiny boy.

I love that Chloe is doing more for him than Lana is, Lana's nothing but a hinderance to the path to his destiny :rolleyes:

Kreukie
10-07-2005, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
I love that Chloe is doing more for him than Lana is, Lana's nothing but a hinderance to the path to his destiny :rolleyes:

No kidding! Chloe knows Clark has super powers and is an alien, Lana doesn't. :rotfl:

It's like having three people standing at a crossway. Person A is blind, person B knows person A is blind and person C has no idea.

Who will help person A cross the street?

If Lana knew the truth about Clark and Chloe didn’t this season. Chloe would be so pointless this season, because not only will Lana know the truth about Clark, she would also be screwing him on the side as well! :lol:

BlueNRed2
10-07-2005, 01:16 AM
I think that Clarks regression is a necessary step at this point.

He wants nothing other than to be a normal human, to pursue normal things and without having to consider his unique abilities and the responsibilities that come with them.

I agree that Chloe will have a major impact on Clarks acceptance of this responsibility and the regression will help make the change that much more dramatic.

TheRealClarkKent
10-07-2005, 01:42 AM
Chloe is awesome. She's the best character on the show. Before they introduced Lois, i was hoping that she'd change her name and really become the lois lane but i guess not. She will probably die, and possibly another Superman symbol tie in. To always remember. The Superman "S" on his suit......stands for Sullivan

CK&CK
10-07-2005, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by Arista 07
:lol:


On a serious note, Clark really is as Chloe deemed him "completely useless" without his powers. Not to mention, completely apathetic. I was ticked that Clark didn't seem to be the least bit concerned about how his "meteor rock" infested town would fair without its resident hero. Now, he has gone as far as to say he's done with selfless acts, in general? Because his powers are gone he no longer feels it necessary to actively help people, making Clark's view of his powers more a burden than anything else. Clark's too old and has done too much to have that mentality. His abilities have saved the world and numerous lives, along with it. Now, he's consumed with all things Lana Lang and "glad to be normal." It's "all he ever wanted." What a crappy portrayl of future Superman.

I thought it was kind of mean for her to say that at first, but even though she was joking....I thought to myself......Man this is Sad....because it's so true.

ms.c.
10-07-2005, 10:27 AM
Chloe is awesome. She's the best character on the show. Before they introduced Lois, i was hoping that she'd change her name and really become the lois lane but i guess not.

TheRealClarkKent - So, why give up? TheWB claims everything we've waited to see will happen. Maybe they are talking to people like you? In any event, Chloe is *my* Lois Lane. She is everything I could hope for in a heroine. She is so outward focused. She thinks about the big picture and she's passionate about her work. Hopefully, some of that will rub off on Clark...because last night his glee at being able to drop the hero job was not a good look on the future Superman.

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
10-07-2005, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Kreukie
No kidding! Chloe knows Clark has super powers and is an alien, Lana doesn't. :rotfl:

It's like having three people standing at a crossway. Person A is blind, person B knows person A is blind and person C has no idea.

Who will help person A cross the street?

If Lana knew the truth about Clark and Chloe didn’t this season. Chloe would be so pointless this season, because not only will Lana know the truth about Clark, she would also be screwing him on the side as well! :lol:


It has nothing to do with her knowing or not knowing his secret, it's about Clark running from his destiny because of Lana, as we saw in "Mortal" last night.

LuckyKrypto
10-07-2005, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
It has nothing to do with her knowing or not knowing his secret, it's about Clark running from his destiny because of Lana, as we saw in "Mortal" last night.

I agree :)

There isn't much to add to that~ Lana is what she is ;)

All about Clark
10-07-2005, 11:17 AM
I think Clark is just relieved to have the pressure off, lets face it, he's been saddled with this destiny for a couple of years and it's got to weigh on you. I think he'll come around on his own, more with the help from Jor-el than from Chloe. I think you all are being too hard on the poor guy. Try seeing it from his POV. I think at the end of the show he was indicating he thought it would be easier and admitted it wasn't.

Jellie
10-07-2005, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by All about Clark
I think Clark is just relieved to have the pressure off, lets face it, he's been saddled with this destiny for a couple of years and it's got to weigh on you. I think he'll come around on his own, more with the help from Jor-el than from Chloe. I think you all are being too hard on the poor guy. Try seeing it from his POV. I think at the end of the show he was indicating he thought it would be easier and admitted it wasn't.

word :)

mcgairman
10-07-2005, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Arista 07
:lol:

I can imagine Clark, still powerless, with a beer belly, sitting on a lumpy couch watching t.v. Lana comes in and serves him his microwavable dinner. "Why don't we go out anymore? You used to tell me you love me everyday. You used to not be pregnant year round." "Stop with the squirrel faces, woman! Can't you see I'm watching Chloe on the channel 8 news?!"

On a serious note, Clark really is as Chloe deemed him "completely useless" without his powers. Not to mention, completely apathetic. I was ticked that Clark didn't seem to be the least bit concerned about how his "meteor rock" infested town would fair without its resident hero. Now, he has gone as far as to say he's done with selfless acts, in general? Because his powers are gone he no longer feels it necessary to actively help people, making Clark's view of his powers more a burden than anything else. Clark's too old and has done too much to have that mentality. His abilities have saved the world and numerous lives, along with it. Now, he's consumed with all things Lana Lang and "glad to be normal." It's "all he ever wanted." What a crappy portrayl of future Superman.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. SMVLL could be MUCH better if they let Clarkn Kent be a Superman in the making. Superman is supposed to have some wisdom. He's certinaly supposed to be concerned about others, have compassion for them. Clark seems to be all about sex and Lana in this show. I'm disgusted with it, honestly. I hope CHloe can be that influence --- he NEEDS IT!

:(

Black cat
10-07-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Arista 07
:lol:

I can imagine Clark, still powerless, with a beer belly, sitting on a lumpy couch watching t.v. Lana comes in and serves him his microwavable dinner. "Why don't we go out anymore? You used to tell me you love me everyday. You used to not be pregnant year round." "Stop with the squirrel faces, woman! Can't you see I'm watching Chloe on the channel 8 news?!"

On a serious note, Clark really is as Chloe deemed him "completely useless" without his powers. Not to mention, completely apathetic. I was ticked that Clark didn't seem to be the least bit concerned about how his "meteor rock" infested town would fair without its resident hero. Now, he has gone as far as to say he's done with selfless acts, in general? Because his powers are gone he no longer feels it necessary to actively help people, making Clark's view of his powers more a burden than anything else. Clark's too old and has done too much to have that mentality. His abilities have saved the world and numerous lives, along with it. Now, he's consumed with all things Lana Lang and "glad to be normal." It's "all he ever wanted." What a crappy portrayl of future Superman.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I can hear Lana now: "Honestly! Chloe, Chloe, Chloe! That's all you ever talk about. And to think, I squandered my precious pink virginity on you. I could have been the first lady, ya know?!

Clark: "Yeah, yeah, so you keep telling me, whatever. Hey! This crap is cold! Is coffee the only thing you know how to make?! Idiot! Oooh! Chloe got red on today. I looove her in that color. *louder* It's soo much more vivid than PINK!" :lol:

Seriously though:
I am so disapointed in Clark's additude toward his powers. I am reminded of the Superman II movie where even when he reliquished his powers he was still heroic. (The diner scene.) And when he realized what was going on he knew the right thing to do. His own conscience impelled him. I wish SV's Clark was more like him. I am glad that Chloe is there to get him back on track because he is seriously derailed now from becoming the Superman we all know and love. Stupid pink traffic signals! :rolleyes:

MediaGuy0979
10-07-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Black cat

I am so disapointed in Clark's additude toward his powers. I am reminded of the Superman II movie where even when he reliquished his powers he was still heroic. (The diner scene.) And when he realized what was going on he knew the right thing to do. His own conscience impelled him. I wish SV's Clark was more like him. I am glad that Chloe is there to get him back on track because he is seriously derailed now from becoming the Superman we all know and love.

While I try to keep an open mind to the portrayal of Clark/Superman this show brings, I agree that Clark's attitude at times really sucks. Honestly, what does he really see in Lana anyway? It's just a lust thing. If the whole love obsession between Clark/Lana didn't exist, I doubt there be little reason for her being on the show.

Does he care nothing for anybody or anything other than himself? Whatever happened to "peace, justice, and the American way?" I guess it's up to Chloe and Ma and Pa Kent to knock some sense into the boy.

ms.c.
10-07-2005, 03:18 PM
Does he care nothing for anybody or anything other than himself? Whatever happened to "peace, justice, and the American way?" I guess it's up to Chloe and Ma and Pa Kent to knock some sense into the boy.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to see that come from inside of Clark instead of from an outside influence. It just seems like he'd look better if it was established that his desire to help others is such a big part of his identity that he can't deny it. That he wouldn't want to deny it. Shouldn't he find some joy in helping others in itself?

SnarkMasterJ
10-07-2005, 03:31 PM
I think that Clark's just getting comfortable with being what scientists call "blissfully ignorant". I'd like to think that maybe he's smart enough to know that his destiny is more than barn raisings and tumbles in the hay. He's probably overly cool with being normal because he hardly remembers what it's like to be normal.

But he'll find that neither way is easier. Normal folk have problems too, just like Papa Kent tried to tell him. Avoiding them only makes them bigger.

jaime,oburg
10-07-2005, 03:55 PM
I'll take it one step further. Clark at times was a real jerk to Chloe whenever she reminded him of his future. His smart ass "Let it go" and "we went over this Chloe" just seemed too immature teen for a guy who is suppossed to be Superman in training. Thinking with Clark junior perhaps. Real friends tell you the things you need to hear, NOT want you want to hear. Clark needs to value Chloe's friendship more and realize she is only looking out for him and what the future holds. Sadly, yes it seems since Clark is with Lana, Chloe is more concerned about his destiny then he is. Clark can be a real D.ck to Chloe.

LuckyKrypto
10-07-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I'll take it one step further. Clark at times was a real jerk to Chloe whenever she reminded him of his future. His smart ass "Let it go" and "we went over this Chloe" just seemed too immature teen for a guy who is suppossed to be Superman in training.

I know what you mean by thinking Clark was being a jerk to Chloe. I thought that at first to. But I think it's because they are good friends that they can talk to each other like that.
You noticed that Chloe didn't back down from Clark.
I think these conversations between Clark and Chloe are just getting interesting. :)

Lana_Lang #1
10-07-2005, 05:37 PM
Chloe is definitely gonna be a HUGE part of who Clark becomes!

last man of krypton
10-07-2005, 08:07 PM
If only Clark sat down and thought for a moment. Yes, Lex put his family in danger. But if he had his powers, his family and Lana would've been safe quicker and easier, instead of risking everyone's lives during Mission Impossible.
Clark tends to be weird towards his destiny. One of my favorite lines out of all of Smallville is found in Leech: "Powers or not, this is who I am". This is something he learned in Season 1. 4 years pass and he's acting like a kid about it: "Screw the lot of you, I want to be able to sweat while doing heavy lifting and pick up meteor rock".

jaime,oburg
10-07-2005, 08:34 PM
I do believe all of Clark's recent attitude is just to let him realize and appreciate his potential and just how important his destiny is to mankind. I don't like the selfish attitude Clark has taken or for giving Chloe a hard time about considering the future. I'll forgive him because he never has shied away from responsbilty no matter how hard. His quote at the end of the epi I think forshadows that. With or without powers life is never easy.

Arista 07
10-07-2005, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by jaime,oburg
I do believe all of Clark's recent attitude is just to let him realize and appreciate his potential and just how important his destiny is to mankind. I don't like the selfish attitude Clark has taken or for giving Chloe a hard time about considering the future. I'll forgive him because he never has shied away from responsbilty no matter how hard. His quote at the end of the epi I think forshadows that. With or without powers life is never easy.
Probelm is, that potential was realized as early as season one (Leech) and more recently in Run. It's such regressioin. I feel as if I'm being cheated and Clark Kent's characterization and credibility is being forfeited in place of flippant Clana sex. It's degrading and contradictory to the Clark Kent name and character they've created.

spideyfan
10-07-2005, 08:53 PM
Yea Chole kicks ass...

And for him not caring, I think its more that hes in denial but that comment he made to Lex aout putting everyone in danger...hes starting to realize he NEEDS his powers back

he cant outrun his past at human speeds. Chloe is just showing him the light

Hugo
10-07-2005, 09:52 PM
It's degrading and contradictory to the Clark Kent name and character they've created. I agree with that statement. I was disapointed by his selfish remark about unselfish acts. I'm done. What the heck is that? If I had powers I would be helping as many people as possible with whatever they needed. He must be really stupid. Don't Clark and the Kent's realise also that Jor-el is a caring and supportive father. Think, about it Jor-el sends his son away because he wants him to have a better life or just a life. Then when Jor-el realizes that his son's home is in danger and he perpares his son to save it. The one thing Jor-el wasn't able to do for Krypton. Then Clark repays him by turning his back on his father to be normal, doesn't he realise that if he doesn't do what his father says Clark won't have a chance to become anything at all. Chole understand she's only known about her friend's powers for two episodes. Hopefully The Kents getting kidnapped along with his girlfriend and getting shot in next week episode will make Clark realize what we the fans already know he is selfish.
P.S. As much as like ED as Lois I hope that the producers make AM Lois someway because Chole has really matured as a person since just the first episode. And Clark needs a mature in the present and in the future.

Lord Rae
10-07-2005, 10:21 PM
He's 18 or so and thinks he knows everything so he's rebelling against his destiny and all that.

I never went through any serious teenage rebellion but I watched some friends turn their backs on important things that they learned early in life just because they let themeselves get sidetracked.

Ultron
10-08-2005, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by mcgairman
I think you've hit the nail on the head. SMVLL could be MUCH better if they let Clarkn Kent be a Superman in the making. Superman is supposed to have some wisdom. He's certinaly supposed to be concerned about others, have compassion for them. Clark seems to be all about sex and Lana in this show. I'm disgusted with it, honestly. I hope CHloe can be that influence --- he NEEDS IT! :(

Actually, I think you guys forget he often shows such intelligence and compassion, but he's still a youth, and growing up doesn't end when you're 18. Furthermore I think you guys are forgetting his finer moments and the lesson's he's learned already. I think he is coping with the changes, rather than brooding over them.

Not for a minute do I think he would rather be without his powers. But I think he's being strong for his parents, and is probably worried inside, but keeping a chin up so they don't worry. Same for Chloe.

There's been numerous scenes in the past where Clark has acted with a maturity highly reminiscent of what we expect out of Superman, so I wouldn't let an acceptance of his current condition as him somehow being thoughtless or careless. :)

constancelight
10-08-2005, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by Hugo
As much as like ED as Lois I hope that the producers make AM Lois someway because Chole has really matured as a person since just the first episode. And Clark needs a mature in the present and in the future.

Have you seen the Chlois thread? You should check it out if you haven't.

bembol
10-08-2005, 12:50 AM
Blinded by love :D

cmgames
10-08-2005, 03:40 PM
This thread should be expanded to say "Chloe cares more about Clark's future than he and Lana does".

Chloe it seems is shaping his future more than either Lana or Clark himself at this point. Where's Lana going? Nowhere by the looks of things. What about Clark? Nowhere either. What's Lana doing to help Clark find his way? Nothing. What about vice versa? Nothing again! It's Chloe who seems to be taking an interest in his future, no one else. When's Clark gonna wise up? I want to see some Clark progression this year, some maturity.

This guy has had the best parents he could ever hope for and they have tried to guide him towards fulfilling his destiny. Most responsible, decent kids his age already know what they want to be and are focusing on their career ahead. No no Clark though, he's got rocks in his head.