Brainiac or Zod

[GeneralZ0d]

Was that Brainiac or Zod at the end??

[JohnnyRocket]

Brainiac.

[Brainiac_13]

It doesn't make much sense to have it be Braniac. It would make more sense if it was Zod. Why?

1. James Marsters couldn't pass for braniac in seven million years of trying.

2. Braniac is not Kryptonian.

3. The disciples of ZOD are the disciples of: Zod!

4. BRANIAC is NOT a disciple of Zod.

[Billy Jor-El]

Zod.

The Phantom Zone scene, while cool, was over too quickly. We ain't seen the end of the Evil Red Sun Klan yet!

[fosterco]

Why would Zod come off of the ship as some sort of goo? It's definetely Brainiac. I admit I don't know much about him, but it appears as if the ship picked him up by accident and he hitched a ride.

We definetely haven't seen the last of the army of Zod.

[superhippie2000]

its brianiac plus zod is an alien and wouldnt be coming from ooz brainiac is only a computer that can take human form

[superman79]

It's Braniac, who's from Kandor which is similar to Krypton. I don't think he will be the big bad though, I think that is going to be Zod.

[KentClark]

Why is there even an argument over this???
There are articles about this all over the net stating that James Marsters will be playing the role of Brainiac on Smallville...It was even on the news section of this very site!!!!!

[GeneralZ0d]

Yes I have done my research, it's Braniac. I wanted it to be Zod so bad! Brainiac looks to be a good villian, just keep the pink shirt off him, lol.

[KANE POUND $QUAD]

that BRAINIAC exit from the ship and materializing into human shape reminded me of teminator 2 villain.

[superman_115]

Brainiac and Kane, I disagree with you about the Terminator crap.

I wish you all would quick making connections to that movie.

Honestly, Brainiac is Artifical Intelligence and how else would he become human.

I thought the way he come from the ship and materilizing into human form was excellent.

So please quit with the Terminator crap. geesh

typo in my last post, I meant quit, not quick.

[gtjsasso-el]

brainiac isn't artificial intelligence he's more like a consciousness of a dead scientist that lived on after he died

[superman79]

No he's a living computer unless my comics have been lying to me for several years

[gtjsasso-el]

I think the living computer is the eradicator

[superman79]

Eradicator is comething completely different, I don't know much about him but from the comics he was never referred to as a computer where as the comics and Wizard magazine always say the Braniac is a living computer. I may be wrong personally, but I doubt Wizard is.

[jOEL_EL]

I hope it's Zod. I never liked him as Spike in that totally lame and inane series "Angel" that was righteously cancelled by the WB, and I'm not gonna like him now. I don't care what he is or isn't and I'm already anxious for the MAN OF STEEL TO KICK HIS SMUG WORTHLESS ASS! Arrrrgh!

[DeVryGuy]

Wikipedia has this to say on the subject of Brainiac:

"In Superman #167 (Feb 1964) it was discovered that Brainiac was a machine, created by the "Computer Tyrants of Colu" as a spy. To increase the illusion that he was alive, he was given a "son", a young Coluan boy who was given the name Brainiac 2, but escaped. This was Brainiac 5's ancestor. It was later revealed that his name was Vril Dox, and that he went on to lead the revolt against the Computer Tyrants."

In the Post-Crisis DC Universe, Brainiac's history was dramatically altered. Vril Dox was now a radical Coluan scientist who, having attempted to overthrow the Computer Tyrants, was sentenced to death. In his last moments, his consciousness was attracted to Earthly sideshow mentalist Milton Fine, who worked under the alias "Brainiac". Needing cranial fluid to maintain his possession of Fine, Dox went on a murder spree. He discovered Fine had genuine psychic powers, which he frequently used on Superman. This version of Brainiac made his first appearance in Adventures of Superman #438 (March 1988).

Plenty more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainiac_(comics)


Originally posted by jOEL_EL
I hope it's Zod. I never liked him as Spike in that totally lame and inane series "Angel" that was righteously cancelled by the WB, and I'm not gonna like him now. I don't care what he is or isn't and I'm already anxious for the MAN OF STEEL TO KICK HIS SMUG WORTHLESS ASS! Arrrrgh!

Yeah, who would want to see a talented actor do something in a well-written series created by one of the true visionaries of our time.

[superman79]

Originally posted by DeVryGuy
Wikipedia has this to say on the subject of Brainiac:

"In Superman #167 (Feb 1964) it was discovered that Brainiac was a machine, created by the "Computer Tyrants of Colu" as a spy. To increase the illusion that he was alive, he was given a "son", a young Coluan boy who was given the name Brainiac 2, but escaped. This was Brainiac 5's ancestor. It was later revealed that his name was Vril Dox, and that he went on to lead the revolt against the Computer Tyrants."

In the Post-Crisis DC Universe, Brainiac's history was dramatically altered. Vril Dox was now a radical Coluan scientist who, having attempted to overthrow the Computer Tyrants, was sentenced to death. In his last moments, his consciousness was attracted to Earthly sideshow mentalist Milton Fine, who worked under the alias "Brainiac". Needing cranial fluid to maintain his possession of Fine, Dox went on a murder spree. He discovered Fine had genuine psychic powers, which he frequently used on Superman. This version of Brainiac made his first appearance in Adventures of Superman #438 (March 1988).

Plenty more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainiac_(comics)


Thanks for the 411

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by superman79
Eradicator is comething completely different, I don't know much about him but from the comics he was never referred to as a computer where as the comics and Wizard magazine always say the Braniac is a living computer. I may be wrong personally, but I doubt Wizard is.

Was Eradicator the cyborg, or the dude with the yellow glasses? I can never remember. I only remember him from the Death and Return of Superman (Doomsday) series, but I can't remember if he was the cyborg trying to take over the world or if he was the black-suited-yellow-glasses dude that helped Supes out.

[gtjsasso-el]

he was the yellow glasses guy

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by gtjsasso-el
he was the yellow glasses guy

Yeah, I remember now, and black suit didn't wear yellow glasses. Black suit was the real Supes IIRC, and yellow glasses guy wore a normal Supes costume. I always liked Eradicator from that series, but I got the impression he wasn't always such a friendly guy to ole Supes.

[MarkAllan22]

It's Brainac, I can't believe there's even an argument over this.

Just because they mentioned Zod in the episode doesn't mean it's Zod. It was just another 'homage' to the movies, like the way they did the Phantom Zone after it closed up.

And Brainac, in the animated series, was Krypton's defense system(not the best way to describe it, but I just woke up, so blah), so in some forms of the Superman myth, he IS from Krypton.

[mvblacnyte]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Yeah, I remember now, and black suit didn't wear yellow glasses. Black suit was the real Supes IIRC, and yellow glasses guy wore a normal Supes costume. I always liked Eradicator from that series, but I got the impression he wasn't always such a friendly guy to ole Supes.

No, he wasn't all that friendly before, you're right. Eradicator, on multiple occasions before taking humanoid form, attempted to take over Clark's mind and have him remake Earth into a new Krypton. He had little regard for human life, and little regard for what Clark wanted.
Brainiac, although he was for some time a Coluan possessing Milton Fine, has since evolved into a living computer program (as seen in the Y2K issues of Superman, with Brainiac 13, as well as the other Brainiac versions who've been encountered). Now, Brainiac is most definitely a computer entity from Kandor/Krypton, just like he is on the JLU cartoon. His appearance on Smallville is completely consistent with the current incarnation of Brainiac in the comics, and on the cartoon.

[Freezeia]

For those of you jumping on the people that thought this was Zod initially please note two things:

1. Yes in interviews linked on this site and in spoiler discussions on this forum you all knew that Brainiac was coming, but don't believe that anyone that discusses these episodes after watching them has just as pathetic a life as you and did nothing all summer but scan this site waiting for spoilers.

2. Since those people weren't subjecting themselves to the spoilers they are going to make guesses do to the context of the episode and the two 'super' clues to the identity of this man at the end of the episode were the two 'disciples of Zod'. They see two of Zod's people, they might think Zod is coming too.

Thank you and goodnight

[jim[beam]]

It's Brainiac, it's in all Smallville new season interviews. There was a big announcement for it too..James Marsters for Brainiac.

As for the terminator comparison, it's too bad that morphing hasnt made so much progress since 1992. You still see the same effect where you could have seen a new improved one.

-jim

[gtjsasso-el]

Originally posted by MarkAllan22

And Brainac, in the animated series, was Krypton's defense system(not the best way to describe it, but I just woke up, so blah), so in some forms of the Superman myth, he IS from Krypton.

I thought eradicator was the "krypton defense system" He was a computer that took on a life of his own, then came to earth and tried to change it into a krypton like planet. But then, I guess when even the mythos in the comics has changed so much, who knows.

[AdamG1823]

It is Braniac...even if I didn't know already I would have known it wasn't Zod, they couldn't use Zod becasue Superman Returns takes place after Superman 2...they are pretending that Superman 3 and 4 never happened...so they can't use a character that is most likey going to referenced in Superman Returns...plus Zod is just like Clark...can't turn into metal.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by AdamG1823
It is Braniac...even if I didn't know already I would have known it wasn't Zod, they couldn't use Zod becasue Superman Returns takes place after Superman 2...they are pretending that Superman 3 and 4 never happened...so they can't use a character that is most likey going to referenced in Superman Returns...plus Zod is just like Clark...can't turn into metal.

Eh, after that Smallville visit to the set of Superman Returns, I'd say them using stuff that could be in the movie is more than likely now. They could easily set it up so it reconciles with both Superman: The Movie and Smallville. I'm not saying I think they will, but I think you'd be wise to not assume that they absolutely *won't*.

Heck, before this season, I never thought Disciples of Zod would end up on Smallville, much less Brainiac. Things they are a changing. Looks like Clark might even learn a small bit of levitation/slightly-more-than-jumping if the previews are any indication. And I thought they'd just tease us with that until the last season where he'd begin learning it (as Clark, not as Kal-El).

[jOEL_EL]

Originally posted by DeVryGuy:
Yeah, who would want to see a talented actor do something in a well-written series created by one of the true visionaries of our time.

Whoa. You can't use the series, its creators and writers to defend Marsters. Did I attack the series or its creators/writers? NO! I agree that Smallville is epic-level in its quality, in its stature, and by its vision.

I just happen to despise Marsters and I'm sick of watching his ugly ass face everywhere you look. Why do you like him? Whets so great about his acting? Hmm? What? Back up your assertion with facts. You can't just transfer the genius of Gough & Millar, the brilliance of the writers and the established excellence of Smallville to James Marsters - and do this BEFORE he appears in a full Brainiac ep or just because he's had 20 seconds of scrreentime! That’s absurd. You say he's talented, that’s your unjustified OPINION.

Mine is: Anyone can act. Some actors are better than others, most are mediocre, some are bad and not a few are horrible. Imo JM is anywhere from mediocre to just plain bad. He was Ok in the early Buffy eps when he was convincingly punk & evil and he's been riding on that and his appeal to the female half of the viewing audience ever since then. But in reality he got progressively one dimensional, mawkish and unbelievable. Then they transplanted him to Angel where he helped wreck the show. He was as unconvincingly evil as a thug with a gun. He wasn't even convincingly punk and as an actor he proved himself to be just another poser that relies on his leather jacket and looks alone to get by. Well, that might work on women and, um, you, but not on me. He's got so little depth I can see right through him - w/o x-ray vision. Charles Gunn's character and style was ironically underrated and underappreciated, even though he was way more solidly believable then monotonous old Spike. Whether he was a streetwise tough ass killer or a guy in love with Winnefred Birkle, Gunns character came across as convincing and powerful. I'm sure this new role will be a boost to JM's waning career. Whether he can pull it off remains to be seen. But my guess is that if this turns out to be the year Smallville takes a real dive in the Neilsons, JM will be the reason, or at least the catalyst for the fall. I hope not and if not, I hate him anyways.

[DGreen]

wow. i don't think i've ever disagreed with someone as much as i do u. james marsters wrecked angel? did u even watch the show? some of the scenes between spike and angel where some of the best scenes ever.(astronaut/caveman discussion for example)-that scene right there proves that he can act. and how do u figure james marsters had anything to do with angel being cancelled. if anything he got ppl who watched buffy to start watching angel. angel was only cancelled because the wb doesn't know what a good show really is, plus a lot of ppl don't watch shows like that, which makes it hard to get ratings. if u honestly think that one actor brought down the entire show, then i pity how stupid u are. the season with JM on it was the best ever. and if u think that one actor is gonna bring down smallville, then again thats dumb. the problem with your 'o james marsters kills everything' theory is that its not his fault that the network chose to cancel angel. but i suppose u blame him for the fall of The Mountain as well. even though he was only in like one ep. i do agree that the spike character become a bit annoying in the 5th and 6th seasons of buffy, but thats the writers fault not JM.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by jOEL_EL
Whoa. You can't use the series, its creators and writers to defend Marsters. Did I attack the series or its creators/writers? NO! I agree that Smallville is epic-level in its quality, in its stature, and by its vision.

I just happen to despise Marsters and I'm sick of watching his ugly ass face everywhere you look. Why do you like him? Whets so great about his acting? Hmm? What? Back up your assertion with facts. You can't just transfer the genius of Gough & Millar, the brilliance of the writers and the established excellence of Smallville to James Marsters - and do this BEFORE he appears in a full Brainiac ep or just because he's had 20 seconds of scrreentime! That’s absurd. You say he's talented, that’s your unjustified OPINION.

Mine is: Anyone can act. Some actors are better than others, most are mediocre, some are bad and not a few are horrible. Imo JM is anywhere from mediocre to just plain bad. He was Ok in the early Buffy eps when he was convincingly punk & evil and he's been riding on that and his appeal to the female half of the viewing audience ever since then. But in reality he got progressively one dimensional, mawkish and unbelievable. Then they transplanted him to Angel where he helped wreck the show. He was as unconvincingly evil as a thug with a gun. He wasn't even convincingly punk and as an actor he proved himself to be just another poser that relies on his leather jacket and looks alone to get by. Well, that might work on women and, um, you, but not on me. He's got so little depth I can see right through him - w/o x-ray vision. Charles Gunn's character and style was ironically underrated and underappreciated, even though he was way more solidly believable then monotonous old Spike. Whether he was a streetwise tough ass killer or a guy in love with Winnefred Birkle, Gunns character came across as convincing and powerful. I'm sure this new role will be a boost to JM's waning career. Whether he can pull it off remains to be seen. But my guess is that if this turns out to be the year Smallville takes a real dive in the Neilsons, JM will be the reason, or at least the catalyst for the fall. I hope not and if not, I hate him anyways.

That was his opinion, this is your opinion. Can't prove or disprove a statement like "I liked that guy's acting and thought he was a good actor." (paraphrased) with hard facts. It's an opinion, you happen to disagree. Agreeing to disagree when neither party is willing to be convinced either way is the most logical solution.

[yanksfan4181]

I thought that was Mon-el. (aka Lar Gand)

[CorneliusBottom]

Arguments for it being Zod:

1. The ship was Kryptonian, and Zod is Kryptonian

2. Ursa & Non are called Zod's lieutenants

Arguments for it being Brainiac:

1. Kryptonians do not have morphing abilities, therefore (in the absence of some other explanation) Zod is ruled out

2. The liquid crystallized in a way similar to the formation of the Fortress of Solitude, implying that the resultant villain was technological in nature, rather than biological.
2a. Zod is a biological life form and therefore ruled out.
2b. Brainiac is a technological life form and therefore likely.

3. In Superman: The Animated Series, Brainiac is the central supercomputer on Krypton.
3a. Smallville does not follow the continuity of any other Superman franchise, but borrows from them all.
3b. Thus, Brainiac as a Kryptonian device is possible.

4. Spoilers and official sources name James Marsters as "Brainiac."

The arguments for Zod are basically fueled by wishful thinking and a lack of information, I think. I have a feeling that we will see Zod, but James Marsters is not him.

[SuperStupidPower]

Originally posted by gtjsasso-el
brainiac isn't artificial intelligence he's more like a consciousness of a dead scientist that lived on after he died

Enough already GOSH!!!

That is a relative recent development in the Superman mythos. Additionally, the scientist GRAFTED himself onto something that already existed and managed to take it over. That thing that already existed was Brainiac... who is AI from Krypton.

Now quit posting that it Brainiac isnt software all over this site please :p

---

And yeah, Eradicator is a totally different animal... er... AI.

[cmgames]

jOEL_EL I think you got it the wrong way round. Gough & Millar great? They already have a template with the movies plus many comics to use for storylines. All they need to do is lift it and place it on our TV screens. They really don't have to use their brains very much which incidently they seem to think applys to us. Constant writing inconsistencies, characters who are meant to be clever but act dumb when the writers can't come up with plausible explanations. Rehashing TV show themes making Smallville seem like a homage to TV dramas.

I had high hopes for Season 5 after a dismal S4 and it has got lots of potential but the directors weaknesses are still there to be seen and its only episode 1 so I can't loft Gough and Millar on the same pedestal as you. As for Marsters, he is a terrific actor who brought Buffy to life and did the same in Angel too. He will no doubt be a tremendous asset to Smallville if used correctly. But this is Smallville and our Kryptonian friends had a weak and sorry exit and when the time comes Gough and Millar will probably do the same to him as they have done to many of the past.

[House of Luthor]

http://jl.toonzone.net/brainiac/brainiac.htm

This is a discription of the Animated Brainiac, which is actually his best incarnation ever.

[yanksfan4181]

http://imdb.com/title/tt0279600/guests

It is infact "Professor Milton Fine/Brainiac"

[SuperStupidPower]

Originally posted by jOEL_EL
He was Ok in the early Buffy eps when he was convincingly punk & evil and he's been riding on that and his appeal to the female half of the viewing audience ever since then. But in reality he got progressively one dimensional, mawkish and unbelievable. Then they transplanted him to Angel where he helped wreck the show. He was as unconvincingly evil as a thug with a gun. He wasn't even convincingly punk and as an actor he proved himself to be just another poser that relies on his leather jacket and looks alone to get by. Well, that might work on women and, um, you, but not on me. He's got so little depth I can see right through him - w/o x-ray vision. Charles Gunn's character and style was ironically underrated and underappreciated, even though he was way more solidly believable then monotonous old Spike. Whether he was a streetwise tough ass killer or a guy in love with Winnefred Birkle, Gunns character came across as convincing and powerful.

See, I always saw Gunn as a punk. He flip flopped all over the last season and ended up getting Fred killed.

Spike... Ok sure as a vamp with a chip in his head... he was pretty pathetic. But the man got his soul back... the hard way (and by accident). He saves the world (on buffy, kinda lame, but whatever)... his appearance on Angel (quite possibly the best written show ever to grace television.) (Continunity... something Smallville knows NOTHING about.)(Character growth... something Smallville knows NOTHING about.)(Story arcs... something Smallville knows NOTHING about.)(Hey, I just watch this bad show cause its about superman and I am a ginormous superman fan.)(n-e-ways, i digress.) His appearance on Angel was a marvelous twist on a well told story. The prophecy of a Vamp with a soul playing a key role in the apocolypse. Angel was cursed with his soul... Spike earned his. So which one was the real hero?

Plus, Spike never backed down from anyone. I didnt see Angel calling Aleria a "bint" and punching her in the face. I didn't see Angel giving and getting a beatdown from Aleria while seeing what she was made of.

Spike was a WELL developed multifacited character in an throughly evolved story.

Annnn Immmmmmm throu!

[superman79]

The black guy in Arrival played Forrest in Buffy, not Gunn on Angel.

[alexander746]

unless its a little shout out to Zod that the writers were making, im confused. The villain of this season(that we know of) is Brainiac. so do nam-ek and aeyther have nothing to do with Brainiac appearing or what?
if Zod isnt appearing, to those who havent read the spoilers, it feels like a hint that HE is the big villain this season.

way i see it, either Jor-el in the fortress of solitude is and has always been Zod and when Clark did not reunite the crystals Jorel(Zod) sent the meteor shower to teach clark. also with the two kryptonians to once again try to get him to be the ruler he wants.

or this season brainiac is the villain and next season we will actually see Zod on the show and Lionel words "disciples of Zod" is foreshadowing that.

[superhippie2000]

zod is the leader of the bad people of krypton the 2 aliens in this episode are his followers like his cult members. zod doesnt show up until he is superman when he gets out of the phantom zone. the metor shower was sent when blodd touched the stone cause clark should have goten to the stones before anyone else and seeing that blood got on it it sent out a single saying clark does not have it and is probably dead and for someone else from krypton to get it.

[I'mOKMyCat'sOK]

Originally posted by jOEL_EL
[B].

I just happen to despise Marsters and I'm sick of watching his ugly ass face everywhere you look. Why do you like him? Whets so great about his acting? Hmm? What? Back up your assertion with facts. You can't just transfer the genius of Gough & Millar, the brilliance of the writers and the established excellence of Smallville to James Marsters - and do this BEFORE he appears in a full Brainiac ep or just because he's had 20 seconds of scrreentime! That’s absurd. You say he's talented, that’s your unjustified OPINION.



Having met James in person I can tell you exactly why I like him. He is an extremely kind, warm and intelligent man who has only good to say about those he has worked with and is so generous to fans it blows you away. Oh and he is also extremely GOOD LOOKING!

James is theatre trained, a method actor and works pain stakingly to improve his craft, and fortunately, all paid TV critics, his co-stars and Joss Whedon thoroughly disagree with you're UNPROVEN assertions as to his lack of talent. As do the majority of fans as he frequently tops Sci Fi polls for best acting and sexiest. Maybe you should hang out at TVWOP where this kind of bile about dedicated professionals is welcomed.

James's appearence as Brainiac was powerful and dramatic. A type of scene he excells at with his striking looks and talent, but the whole season opening was stunning.

In defence of those who thinks James might be Zod, that was the hot ticket when rumors of his appearence on Smallville were broken.

[Brainiac_13]

I certainly hate to bump this thread with me being so dang WRONG in it, but I have to fess up to being proven idiotic just to keep my ego in check. ;)

Fortunately, really, I don't mind being wrong. Opportunities to learn = good.

My actual comment, though, is that I sure as hell wish I WASN'T wrong.

Drat.

This is what I get for avoiding spoilers. I'm just going to have to read up on things so I don't keep making a fool of myself. Hehe.

[Lambshank]

Originally posted by jOEL_EL
Whoa. You can't use the series, its creators and writers to defend Marsters. Did I attack the series or its creators/writers? NO! I agree that Smallville is epic-level in its quality, in its stature, and by its vision.

I just happen to despise Marsters and I'm sick of watching his ugly ass face everywhere you look. Why do you like him? Whets so great about his acting? Hmm? What? Back up your assertion with facts. You can't just transfer the genius of Gough & Millar, the brilliance of the writers and the established excellence of Smallville to James Marsters - and do this BEFORE he appears in a full Brainiac ep or just because he's had 20 seconds of scrreentime! That’s absurd. You say he's talented, that’s your unjustified OPINION.

Mine is: Anyone can act. Some actors are better than others, most are mediocre, some are bad and not a few are horrible. Imo JM is anywhere from mediocre to just plain bad. He was Ok in the early Buffy eps when he was convincingly punk & evil and he's been riding on that and his appeal to the female half of the viewing audience ever since then. But in reality he got progressively one dimensional, mawkish and unbelievable. Then they transplanted him to Angel where he helped wreck the show. He was as unconvincingly evil as a thug with a gun. He wasn't even convincingly punk and as an actor he proved himself to be just another poser that relies on his leather jacket and looks alone to get by. Well, that might work on women and, um, you, but not on me. He's got so little depth I can see right through him - w/o x-ray vision. Charles Gunn's character and style was ironically underrated and underappreciated, even though he was way more solidly believable then monotonous old Spike. Whether he was a streetwise tough ass killer or a guy in love with Winnefred Birkle, Gunns character came across as convincing and powerful. I'm sure this new role will be a boost to JM's waning career. Whether he can pull it off remains to be seen. But my guess is that if this turns out to be the year Smallville takes a real dive in the Neilsons, JM will be the reason, or at least the catalyst for the fall. I hope not and if not, I hate him anyways.

Hahahahahhahahahahahahaha, lay off the crack man.

[DARKRAGE]

just a thought wonder if this incarnation of brainiac is from krypton as in the superman animated show?? linking brainiac to krypton could open doors for some intresting info for clark about his birth planet, but then again he has just built the fos fountain of knowledge that it is hmmmm

[Cstmstyle]

http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/brainiac.php

[jOEL_EL]

Wow! That website will serve as an invaluable reference for me and a great resource to be used to settle future questions and heated debate. Thank you!

[Reign]

I really hope it's Zod. I just don't believe it's Brainiac... despite what the spoilers and articles say. Do people seriously believe everything they read? Coming from the ship, it just makes more sense that it is Zod...

Maybe in this Smallville continuity, not all Kryptonians have the same powers... afterall the female had something akin to the Force when she telekinetically willed the octagonal key to her hand... and this is why ZOD at the end was in goo form... (I'm still hoping it's Zod and not Brainiac)

[fattire]

Originally posted by GeneralZ0d
Was that Brainiac or Zod at the end??

Isn't Zod in the phantom zone right now?

[DGreen]

in theory he should be. and i don't think that the female had telekinesis. what i think is that all kryptonian technology has some sort of bond with kryptonian ppl that allows them to will it to them. maybe clark just hasn't figured that out yet. also, oozing out of a ship doesn't really seem like much of a power. also did u notice that he formed into crystals, then a human form. it only makes sense for it to be braniac cause he is AI and formed in a way similar to the FOS, which is also technology.

[Ultron]

I think they were Kryptonians and that they had telekinesis, not some machine doing that work for her. They looked and acted totally like Kryptonians as we know them. :)

[fattire]

Originally posted by DGreen
in theory he should be. and i don't think that the female had telekinesis. what i think is that all kryptonian technology has some sort of bond with kryptonian ppl that allows them to will it to them. maybe clark just hasn't figured that out yet. also, oozing out of a ship doesn't really seem like much of a power. also did u notice that he formed into crystals, then a human form. it only makes sense for it to be braniac cause he is AI and formed in a way similar to the FOS, which is also technology.

you hit everything right on the nail, that makes a lot of sense

[Brainiac_13]

Originally posted by DGreen
maybe clark just hasn't figured that out yet.

Clark knows that he can do it. He did it (in Kal El mode) in Season 4's premiere on Lex's plane. By some miracle, Clark's memory wasn't magically wiped out when he "defeated Kal El" in the black kryptonite fight. In later eps, he remembered that he'd gotten the stone and taken it to the cave. So, he knows he can do it, but maybe not HOW it's done.

[JohnnyRocket]

Well, originally I said Brianiac, but now I'm not so sure. I just know it's not Zod.

I remember reading an interview somewhere with Millar or Gough who stated that they they were in agreement with Bryan Singer that they all felt that they should stick with SM1 & SM2 as official part of their official history.

I guess I could be wrong, but I'm doubting we'll ever see Zod in Smallville. He gets his throwdown in SM2. He's stuck in the Phantom Zone until Clark takes up the tights and moves to Metropolis.

[Green Honor]

this is the kind of thread that got people to harrass me. i asked the same question when i was new and did not know about the spoiler page. i saw a preview of him for like a split second, and when i assumed that it might be him, from clues that i got about the actor (accent, attidude etc) for more then a week all i got was harrasment. ur lucky that you started this thread without the harrassments. there are nice conversations rather then mean throwouts. thats cool.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Green Honor
this is the kind of thread that got people to harrass me. i asked the same question when i was new and did not know about the spoiler page. i saw a preview of him for like a split second, and when i assumed that it might be him, from clues that i got about the actor (accent, attidude etc) for more then a week all i got was harrasment. ur lucky that you started this thread without the harrassments. there are nice conversations rather then mean throwouts. thats cool.

It's unfortunate that so many people don't realize that many people don't *want* to read the spoilers. I read the spoiler that he was Brainiac by accident after the S5 premiere, but if I hadn't have stumbled across it, I would have been assuming it was Zod as well.

I'll bet anyone here 5 dollars that fans who don't read the boards and don't generally read magazines are assuming it's Zod. And I think that's what tptb wanted us to assume based on the episode.

Anyways, I hope you've been treated better in other threads Green Honor. The people here are mostly very nice, but they do bite occassionally.

[Green Honor]

thanx man for understanding. i would have read the spoilers page first if i knew about it in the first hand. and yes, people are treating me nicer in the other threads. thanx.

[lzpoof]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
It's unfortunate that so many people don't realize that many people don't *want* to read the spoilers. I read the spoiler that he was Brainiac by accident after the S5 premiere, but if I hadn't have stumbled across it, I would have been assuming it was Zod as well.

I'll bet anyone here 5 dollars that fans who don't read the boards and don't generally read magazines are assuming it's Zod. And I think that's what tptb wanted us to assume based on the episode.

Anyways, I hope you've been treated better in other threads Green Honor. The people here are mostly very nice, but they do bite occassionally.

I don't get why people would assume that Zod would be able to form himself into a liquid substance or wouldn't question why Zod would be hitchhiking on the outside of his own spaceship?

[MidgardDragon]

I just think Zod would be the immediate assumption, I didn't say that theory wouldn't fall flat upon further examination. But if you want to get technical about it, why would Brainiac be forming himself out of a crystal-liquid substance?

And people would assume that at first, because the whole episode was about Disciples of Zod looking for Kal-El. Why *wouldn't* they assume it was Zod at first? Especially people that aren't fully into the Superman mythos.

[Green Honor]

well when i assumed it was zod, i did not see him turn into liquid. my assumption was before the showed aired and it was only a preview of him for a split second. no motion or anything, just a shot of him.

[I_Love_Chloe]

Brainiac

[sup3rp3t3]

zod will come in the finale

[freakpattison]

it is zod,brainiaic isnt there yet

[MidgardDragon]

What the heck are you talking about, freakpattison? Not only is this a 3 month old thread, but it's been established that Braniac was the entity that came from the ship in the first part of season 5. Zod came in the finale, so they're both there.

[thorshammer]

It is Braniac absolutely.