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Arista 07
09-30-2005, 12:05 AM
As glad as I am that we got a mention of Genevieve's and Jason's deaths (along with a miraculous cover-up) am I the only one who took issue with that comment being scrolled on Lana's newspaper? Obviously we are to believe Lex remedied the situation, as he said he would. But since when is Lex into leaving vague messages in such an under-wrought, callow fashion? It just seemed completely out of character and the way the news of their deaths was presented came off as if it was some sort of last-minute addendum.

F-Stop Blues
09-30-2005, 12:08 AM
I think theres more too it though Arista. I mean why would Lex say you owe me one. He would never say that to lana. It was very curious. Maybe it was just a plot hole and very OOC, but maybe its something more. I just dont know for sure.

Super Snipes
09-30-2005, 12:09 AM
Not really, since she was all worried about going to prison, I could totally see Lex pulling something like he did and then writing it on the paper and leaving it next to her bed, plus they probably wanted to clear up what happened to Jason in has little time as possible and that pretty much explained that Jason was dead, and then showed the coverup of it.

Best Episode - 321
09-30-2005, 12:10 AM
I thought The L meant Lionel

BlueNRed2
09-30-2005, 12:10 AM
Dont know, im thinking we havent seen the last of that little gem. Might not be in the old Lex's character but we are seeing a transition this season.

Definately curious to see if that turns into something major later down the line.

Arista 07
09-30-2005, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by F-Stop Blues
I think theres more too it though Arista. I mean why would Lex say you owe me one. He would never say that to lana. It was very curious. Maybe it was just a plot hole and very OOC, but maybe its something more. I just dont know for sure.
Well, it was signed "L." Lionel and Lex are the only two L's on the show who knew of Lana's comitted murder. Lex promised to take care of the situation, whereas Lionel was threatening her for leverage in Commencement. Not to mention, Lionel is kinda pre-occupied now.

I'm certain that message was a reference to Lex's cover-up, which again was pleasant to recognized. However, that message itself was reminiscent of Isobel's "The barn-midnight" message spelled in purple "witch magic." Just to clarify, that's not a good thing.

Randy G.
09-30-2005, 12:14 AM
I thought that seemed VERY out of place, & kind of dumb, to see that scrawled on the newspaper.

Just weird. :(

Hydra
09-30-2005, 12:14 AM
Lex is going bad and that's all there is to it. I mean look at his conversation with Clark today. He didn't care about his well being at all. They really aren't friends anymore. And his decent to darkness will only go faster from here.

sdogg1m
09-30-2005, 12:16 AM
It is obviously Lex. Lionel has never had much interaction with Lana. Of course, it will be mentioned later.

Read the spoilers to find out more information on Lex and Lana that will help clear somethings up

Brainiac_13
09-30-2005, 12:19 AM
As far as we know, Jason Teague's corpse is beginning to rot in the remains of the Kent kitchen.

Given that the Kents haven't even dug out from under the rubble, and that it seems to be the case that most of the events of this ep happened on the same day as the meteor shower: When, exactly, did anyone have time to either find the body, tell a newspaper or indeed write an article and publish and distribute the paper?

Stupid writers.

Best Episode - 321
09-30-2005, 12:22 AM
I thought Lionel was the one that cleaned up Lana's apartment in commencement. He told Lex that he wouldn't tell anyone about Lana killing Genevieve if Lex gave him the element. Thats what I remember anyway.

gtjsasso-el
09-30-2005, 12:25 AM
it has to be Lex. Lionel is still a Kryptonian Zombie, and in no condition to deliver special messages I would think. I guess they decided that showing the recovery of a body that had been blown to bits by a meteor would be too morbid to show, so I guess it is implied that they found him.

BlueNRed2
09-30-2005, 12:28 AM
Unless Lionel snapped out of his prophetic trance behind the scenes, i dont see how the message didnt come from Lex.

Sure, Lionel cleaned up G. Teagues mess and used it as leverage against Lex for Lana's stone but that happend before he got his nice Kryptonian shock treatment.

Not sure how to explain Jason's cleanup tho, that does seem to be a bit of a plot hole.

I'm really curious about where their taking Lionel this season, kinda an odd role imo..

SuperConartist
09-30-2005, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by BlueNRed2
Dont know, im thinking we havent seen the last of that little gem. Might not be in the old Lex's character but we are seeing a transition this season.

Definately curious to see if that turns into something major later down the line.

I think Lex already made that transition already. He's clearly trying to do all the things he needs to do to meet his own ends. For example, he protected Lana just to ge the element. And he decided to cover up all the research that was done on the boy from Ageless (crap forgot his name). I feel that his personality is pretty much reached the point that it's like the comic book Lex. (or at least, the lex you see in Justice League Unlimited) He maybe not as involved with villains but he'll probably get there this season.

Praxis
09-30-2005, 12:39 AM
When someone signs L, it can be anyone.


Lex Luthor
Lionel Luthor
Lucas Luthor
Lois Lane
Lucy Lane
Lana Lang

I'm pretty sure there's at least one more LL.

Sydafex7
09-30-2005, 01:15 AM
First off, Lionel got rid of the Mrs. Teagues body, not Lex. Lex came back to the apartment and Lionel said that he got rid of it.

But, Lionel is Wacked out right now, so I doubt he wrote it, So that leaves Lex, who, covered up the fact that she was murdered, but, when did he find the body or know where the body is?? It had to be sometime in the Finalie because Lionel is all crazy now, so I dobut he told Lex where the body is..

I think it fits lex perfectly. He has already shown vast changes in personality and its only the first episode. He wants Lana to know that HE'S the one who got her out of a sticky situation, so that when he needs something (you know he will) he can bring up the fact that she's not being tried for Murder because of him.


Originally posted by Praxis
When someone signs L, it can be anyone.


Lex Luthor
Lionel Luthor
Lucas Luthor
Lois Lane
Lucy Lane
Lana Lang

I'm pretty sure there's at least one more LL.

No it can't. Come on man, use your head, why the hell would Lucy write that next to the picture.. why would Lucas??

LOL you even have Lana down, soo its a possibility that Lana wrote that message to herself?? lol maybe she HAS been knocked unconscious one too many times, shes starting to leave herself razy messages!

Arista 07
09-30-2005, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Sydafex7
I think it fits lex perfectly. He has already shown vast changes in personality and its only the first episode. He wants Lana to know that HE'S the one who got her out of a sticky situation, so that when he needs something (you know he will) he can bring up the fact that she's not being tried for Murder because of him.
You think a friggin' arrow pointing to an article in the newspaper, in marker, suits Lex? What character have I been watching the past 4 years.

I'm growing fatigued with the excuse that because Lex is becoming "darker" he is allowed to be that much more sophmoric. The message was really stupid, IMO. I hope Onyx!Lex, who was sloppy and conspciuous, isn't what Lex is truly destined to become. (He had the "crminal" down but the neither the master or mind was present.) Though, that is what his actions lead me to believe.

Eh,Man?You-El?
09-30-2005, 01:48 AM
I've got some spoilerish observations about this at:

KryptonSite Message Forums -- Smallville - Spoilers and Speculation - Upcoming Episodes & Spoiler Discussion - Episode #5-1: "Arrival" Post #996

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1482330#post1482330

Basically, I think the note was an indication that Lex's body was inhabited by Lionel when they both had contact with the Water / Transference stone in "Commencement".

(Either that, or Jason Teague actually DID survive and is playing a sick joke.)

CLS
09-30-2005, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Praxis
When someone signs L, it can be anyone.


Lex Luthor
Lionel Luthor
Lucas Luthor
Lois Lane
Lucy Lane
Lana Lang

I'm pretty sure there's at least one more LL. It's LL Cool J!

Going back to Cali, yo I don't think so.

-cs™

Jellie
09-30-2005, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Hydra
Lex is going bad and that's all there is to it. I mean look at his conversation with Clark today. He didn't care about his well being at all. They really aren't friends anymore. And his decent to darkness will only go faster from here.

WORD

homosuperior
09-30-2005, 03:04 AM
It seems like Lex is going stupid rather than mad. Passing notes? Really, he should’ve grown out of that at school.

Unless it’s crazy floor-drawing lionel?

Or Lori Lemaris?

Jellie
09-30-2005, 03:05 AM
It could be Lionel having a bit of art and craft time

unsafepariah
09-30-2005, 03:18 AM
I figured it was Lex, because finding Jason's body at the Kent house was never mentioned, Lionel took care of Dr. Quinn, Lex took care of Jason. Someone said earlier, Lionel was "pre-occupied" what with the etching the symbol on the floor.

RedKalEL
09-30-2005, 05:11 AM
Lillian Luthor

KentClark
09-30-2005, 06:44 AM
My first thought was Lionel, but as I thought about it, I think it's Lex, so he can have leverage on Lana...maybe to use to further his relationship w/her...

Deia
09-30-2005, 06:50 AM
My first thought was Lionel, but as I thought about it, I think it's Lex, so he can have leverage on Lana...maybe to use to further his relationship w/her...

talk about a creepy way to get a girl to like you.....

LanaandPete
09-30-2005, 06:57 AM
Keep in mind, Lex still thinks that Jason died in Forever. Jason's body was never covered up, in fact, the Kents didn't even mention that he was in the Kent house

Shows how much Lana cares about Jason, though. She didn't even know that Jason had died until reading the paper.

ckfan
09-30-2005, 06:58 AM
How did Lex get all over the place during this episode? At the Kent place, at the hospital to plant the newspaper for Lana, flying to the Arctic Circle to find Chloe in the hospital??

Anyway, it must have been Lex with the little newspaper note, but it doesn't make sense. How did Lex know that Jason was at the Kent house? The last he saw him he jumped off the cliff and was probably dead. Did he find his body at the Kent house? If so, what did he do with it? How was he able to get GT's body and somehow make it look like she was killed by a meteor?

And why didn't the Kent's wonder AT ALL where Jason was, since he was trying to murder them when the meteors hit??

LanaandPete
09-30-2005, 07:14 AM
ckfan like I said above, Lex is under the assumption that Jason died in Forever, so he just put in the paper that Jason died in the meteor shower.

I was surprised that the Kents didnt think about Jason, especially since if they survived, why couldn't he? Or unless he is still out there somewhere?

ckfan
09-30-2005, 07:31 AM
Well, knowing Lex, wouldn't he have searched for Jason's body after he fell off the cliff and known that his body was not found?

Billy Jor-El
09-30-2005, 08:08 AM
I have to agree that it isn't Lex's style to be passing notes. I don't see him writing the message on the newspaper, and it would seem too easy a plot. TPTB will likely be twisting things around. I mean, it *could* have been Lana that wrote it if it was actually Lanabel that wrote the message to Lana. Maybe we haven't seen the end of her (Yes, I know Isabel wouldn't sign "L", though maybe as isabeL).

Actually, Lois crossed my mind. Maybe the General has some knowledge and Lois got in the act? I doubt it, it doesn't fit her character at all thus far, but it did come to mind...

Oh well....killer opening ep though!!!!

freddielm
09-30-2005, 08:26 AM
I thought the L meant Lana as in 'You owe me one Lana' ? I'm lost already.

SoulCystic
09-30-2005, 08:33 AM
Jason isn't dead. They conveniently didn't show the body, nor did the paper mean conclusively that the Teagues are dead, just dead to the world.....

Wait and see if Supernatural gets good or bad reviews...we may see a return of Jenson.


Yeah, I have no basis for any of this :D

asim
09-30-2005, 08:35 AM
Must have been Lex even though it doesnt seem in his nature to leave a message like that. But given the situation its a possibility.

Dannyblue1
09-30-2005, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by SoulCystic
Wait and see if Supernatural gets good or bad reviews...we may see a return of Jenson.

Well, Supernatural's doing well enough for me to think Jenson probably won't be coming back to SV anytime soon. And I don't think I want him to. After seeing JA as Dean, Jason seems like such a pale, blah character in comparison.

Superhunter
09-30-2005, 08:48 AM
IMO...it was lex who wrote the note, lionel is too preocupied with being, i dont know...possesed. But the best part of that scene was lanas reaction to it, she looked beyond mad, she looked livid, it was cool..

btw...did anyone catch the front page headline of that newspaper? ive learned one thing in smallvile, and thats to always read the newspapers headlines, it might be something cool!

Liriel
09-30-2005, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Best Episode - 321
I thought The L meant Lionel

I thought the L was meant to mess with fans, with us not knowing which of them it meant.

Lionel is acting crazy, so I'm not sure he's up to this sort of thing, but I'll never count him out.

Lex is trying to make emotional, I-care-about-you-and-your-safety appeals to Lana, and so a pseudo-threatening note seems unlikely (if it were Chloe, I'd say Lex).

jim[beam]
09-30-2005, 09:07 AM
I dont think Lionel was in any condition to clean up the Genevieve and Jason mess so it had to Lex.