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LanaandPete

09-29-2005, 07:47 PM

Well, first things first, glad to see that he was referenced(unlike a certain former regular), but not by name

I was questioning how Lex knew Jason died, but then I realize that Lex is still under the assumption that Jason died in Forever

Boy Lana got over Jason fast. As I recall, the two never broke up. She distanced herself from her friends and almost slept with him, and she didn't shed a tear over his death

Also I noticed that they avoided the Kents bringing up Jason. They never said that Jason was in the house when the meteor came. In fact we didnt see a body. So that begs the question, is Mr. Teague still alive? Martha and Johnathan survived, Jason could have as well

LanaandPete

09-29-2005, 07:47 PM

montevallo

09-29-2005, 07:57 PM

yeah i was pretty upset when they didnt mention him, i thought for a second that the hand lois saw was his and not martha, no such luck :(

captain cold

09-29-2005, 08:56 PM

Maybe those 2 brothers from Supernatural will show up to investigate Jason's disappearance.......oops

Tarien Lakilea Telanor

09-29-2005, 09:57 PM

Jason is dead. If he wasn't dead than the Countess wouldn't have disappeared from Lana last season. Isabel would only leave once all of the Teague's bloodline (throught the mother) was dead. Jason died in the meteor shower. Then, once Jason's mother was killed by the Countess, the bloodline was killed off and the Countess Isabel was able to rest in peace (the tatoo disappeared, didn't it?).

the_real_lois_lane

09-29-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Tarien Lakilea Telanor
Jason is dead. If he wasn't dead than the Countess wouldn't have disappeared from Lana last season. Isabel would only leave once all of the Teague's bloodline (throught the mother) was dead. Jason died in the meteor shower. Then, once Jason's mother was killed by the Countess, the bloodline was killed off and the Countess Isabel was able to rest in peace (the tatoo disappeared, didn't it?).

but jason died AFTER his mother...GT was killed in lana's apartment before the meteor shower, so maybe jason's death didn't matter to Isobel...just his mother's, since she was the one diligently seeking the stones...not sure about that.

and i believe that lex took care of jason's body in the kents' house...maybe that's what he was doing there when clark showed up.

and as far as lana and jason...i really think she knew it was over between them when she saw the way he confronted lionel after her apartment was ransacked. she knew he only cared more about the stones than about their relationship; their relationship had become more about the search for the stones than about them (lana's words, not mine).. so i do think she got over him rather quickly, but i also think she never loved him...she's been in love with clark for years

DarkClone

09-29-2005, 10:24 PM

would you shed a tear over the death of someone who used you to get to a stone, someone who was creepily infatuated w/ their mother? come on . . . and if she knew that he had attacked the Kents, Lex, and all of that other crap, she probably quickly fell out of love w/ him

I was disappointed that they didn't mention him at all though . . .

and what was with the "you owe me one" deal? who was that from?

the_real_lois_lane

09-29-2005, 10:31 PM

yeah, i'm sure if lana knew how jason treated lex, lionel and the kents that she would've gotten over him anyway, even before she knew how he was so creepily close to his mother and the search for the stones..

lex was the one who wrote "you owe me one" on the newspaper, which IMO definitely should foreshadow lex and lana's relationship this season

JSG007

09-30-2005, 11:24 AM

Haven't read any spoilers, so please bear this in mind:

Although, difficult to accomplish, how about Lionel as the one who wrote "you owe me"

If I remember correctly, he took GT's body, not Lex.

Also, I fear that GT's husband, the "powerful lawyer" will be heard from regarding the deaths of his family members

-JSG007

SunniLvsSV

09-30-2005, 11:38 AM

I'm sure Lex wrote the note to Lana. Lionel was, after all, a little "alien" preoccupied. And the fact that the newspaper was all that was mentioned of Jason's death really made me mad. Hopefully they'll at least mention it in next weeks episode. And Jason told Lana he loved her several times (I know he was playing her), but Lana never told him the same, but I'm sure she still has to feel something at his death. It's just too un-Lana like not to. :eek:

Dannyblue1

09-30-2005, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by SunniLvsSV
And Jason told Lana he loved her several times (I know he was playing her)

Jason wasn't playing her. He did love Lana. He just also happened to be evil (suddenly, and in contradiction of everything that happened earlier in the season). His nightmare in "Scare" was all about being jealous of Clark. There was even a scene after Jason's evil was revealed where he tells Lana he'd been trying to protect her from all that was going on with his mother and the stones and all. But, once she starting inching away from him, all bets were off.

SunniLvsSV

09-30-2005, 12:53 PM

^^ Ok, yes, you are right. But from the beginning he was working alongside his mother playing her. Like the pic of him and Genevieve in Paris the day before he met her when he told Lana she wasn't even in the country. He may have truly loved her, but he was also playing her from the get-go.

Kris-El

09-30-2005, 01:07 PM

yeah he mightve loved her but he sure was playing her from the start...also keep in mind that a heckuva lot was crammed into the first episode. im sure they'll be more mention of Jason later.

anyone else think Lex wrote "you owe me", covering up GT's murder and will use it against Lana to be with her or do want he wants?

BELLAT

09-30-2005, 01:29 PM

Honestly I forgot all about Jason until I saw the newspaper...I like Jensen's new show, so all is good:)

DeVryGuy

09-30-2005, 01:33 PM

I don't expect we will hear much in the way of the Teagues from here on out. If I were making this show I'd call Season 4 a loss and move on with a strong season 5

Enemyoffun15

09-30-2005, 01:56 PM

If I remember correctly she never really mourned much after Adam went psycho and she lost him...

but who knows...maybe she will...I have a feeling that the ramifications of this episode are going to last a few more...

There were a lot of things left unaswered...

Who really cared abotu Jason...

But I think the overall reason he was nto mentioned....besides the news article is because he's in Supernatural now...

ClarksNextGF

10-01-2005, 03:21 PM

I was dissappointed that they didn't mention Jason. They showed Mr. Kent and Lois searching the house for Martha, they could have at least mentioned that he was there too - even if they didnt show it.

And, Lana DID break up with Jason - like 3 or 4 episodes before the season finale. She told him she wasn't interested the relationship anymore, blah blah blah, too many secrets and lies, blah blah. Then Jason screamed in her face "you have no idea how much I have been protecting you." I am embarrased to say that I don't remember which episode it was, but it happened right after she told him that she wasn't going to Central Kansas with him.

SirJeremy

10-01-2005, 03:43 PM

I DVR'd the episode....but did anyone else notice that the picture of Jason in the newspaper at the end (the one with the "you owe me one" line on it) wasn't the same actor? I reviewed that scene several times, and its not him.

TWCK

10-01-2005, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by SirJeremy
I DVR'd the episode....but did anyone else notice that the picture of Jason in the newspaper at the end (the one with the "you owe me one" line on it) wasn't the same actor? I reviewed that scene several times, and its not him.

I kind of noticed that too, but wasn't completely sure.

But you know, he does look identical enough to pull off a split-second shot of him.

http://mercury.walagata.com/w/r053/fakejason.png

angelfire east

10-01-2005, 06:50 PM

I am very disappointed they didn't mention him belond the newspaper. I was waiting for someone (Jonathan) to say Jason was in the house. What going to happen, Clark's going to find his body in the ruin of his house and throw his body in the forsest?

Originally posted by DarkClone
would you shed a tear over the death of someone who used you to get to a stone, someone who was creepily infatuated w/ their mother? come on . . . and if she knew that he had attacked the Kents, Lex, and all of that other crap, she probably quickly fell out of love w/ him

I don't think he used her just for the stones, he did love her, Dannyblue1 pointed out a good explane of that. And here's the things SHE DID KNOW HE DID ALL THAT and still wasn't upset or crying over his death!!!!

I get so sick of these exauses that it's o.k for Lana to have that romance dance with Clark and to kiss him/say 'I love you' while she was still dating Jason, because WE NOT HER know he's evil! It's not o.k because we know his a bad guy! I know I'm like the only person to feel this way but I'm so sick that that exsuce.
She never broke up with Jason, they had a fight over the college thing. And if you think the dance was nothing, just think if that was your girlfriend or boyfriend and you saw them dancing like that with their ex, would it still be nothing? still not mean a thing? I somehow don't think so.

I'm not saying she a mean, horrible person I am just sick of the exuses.

Just so you know DarkClone whenI was talking about those excuse being made, I wasn't talk about you, I was talking about everyone who makes those excuses.

xrayvision

10-01-2005, 07:20 PM

Yeah, I found it less than believable that she would have danced with Clark. He did say not to give up on him and that she had no idea how much he was protecting her. Especially with the dialog she had w/ Clark in Sacred (she made it seem like Clark did nothing but bad to her and couldn't be trusted in any way).

The hospital scene at the end of Arrival was believable since I think her mind was occupied by all the craziness that just happened with the meteor shower and the kryptonians. But they should show some lamenting scenes in the episodes to come, because after all she definitely cared about him.

Kel-El

10-01-2005, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by SirJeremy
I DVR'd the episode....but did anyone else notice that the picture of Jason in the newspaper at the end (the one with the "you owe me one" line on it) wasn't the same actor? I reviewed that scene several times, and its not him.

Thank you! I'm glad someone else noticed that! I thought I was going crazy!

DGreen

10-01-2005, 07:47 PM

i have a theory about why jasons body wasn't in the kents house. maybe lex moved the body and placed it with genevieves body in a meteor-torn section of smallville. this would explain how the newspaper article was able to say that both of them were dead.

angelfire east

10-01-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by DGreen
i have a theory about why jasons body wasn't in the kents house. maybe lex moved the body and placed it with genevieves body in a meteor-torn section of smallville. this would explain how the newspaper article was able to say that both of them were dead.

Yes but Lex thinks Jason died in Forever, now would he know about his body being in the Kent home if he thinks Jason's dead.

xrayvision

10-01-2005, 10:01 PM

It's obvious that Lex used the meteor shower to lie about Genevieve's death being a result of it. So that's why I think he wrote that note.

I also think it's interesting that Jason's body was never shown. I'm sure Clark did an offscreen x-ray of the house to find out no bodies in there. I doubt Jason was killed by a direct meteor hit, since that would have killed the Kents as well. If he is dead, it's probably due to something that crushed him from the house.

I think it's very possible that Lex did take him away and that he may be alive. Jensen is still on the WB, so it's very possible that they may bring him back once this clana thing is FINALLY over so that Lana can be with him again (since they were good together). I'm not sure he's willing to do 2 shows, so maybe his appearances will be limited. Maybe Clark will find him being tortured by Lex and save him. But the fact that he's on another show on the same channel and was never shown dead can mean that they may want to bring him back either short or long term.

SmallvilleMan

10-01-2005, 10:06 PM

Lana DID break up with him! Why does Lana have to spell it out for him? Obviously Jason got the picture, which is why he never went to see Lana or was around Lana after blank. He knew she broke up with him. Jason was a rebound guy for Lana imo, she was never over what happen between her and Clark. She was just trying to move on to safe herself the pain.

mrsmallfan

10-01-2005, 10:17 PM

It is somewhat of a downer. Like everybody been saying-- What happen to Jason? Granted, it is a new season, but there are still loose ends to tie up.

Somebody mentioned a "father?"

LanaandPete

10-01-2005, 10:59 PM

No she did not break up with him. There last scene together was in Blank where he was mad that she isnt going to college with him. There was never a break up. Jason wasnt in ageless, because he was out of town for a college thing(spoilers said it, nver shown), and Lana was hanging around clark trying to get back together. There was no break up.

ClarksNextGF

10-02-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by LanaandPete
No she did not break up with him. There last scene together was in Blank where he was mad that she isnt going to college with him. There was never a break up. Jason wasnt in ageless, because he was out of town for a college thing(spoilers said it, nver shown), and Lana was hanging around clark trying to get back together. There was no break up.

YES she did break up with him - here's my "loose" translation...

Lana tells him she is thinking of not going to college at all
Jason: How long have you known? Your feelings don't just change overnight, so how long have you known?
Lana: Ever since this turned into the relationship I was trying to leave when I went to Paris.
Jason: Oh, so this is about Clark.
Lana: No, this is about us. There are too many secrets. I kept wishing that we could wipe the slate clean, but we can't. A chance like that - maybe it only comes along around once in a lifetime.
Then Jason gets mad. Just don't give up on me. You have no idea how much I have been protecting you. DO YOU?

This scene happens after Jason sees Lana and Clark dancing together. (And yes, they should have been dancing together, because it is something that both of them have wanted for FOUR YEARS.)
It is very clear that the relationship is over whether Jason likes it or not. There are lots of couples that break up and only one person likes it. Just because Jason is not happy about it doesn't make it less true.
Then later in that episode, Lana goes to Clark to talk about "this time it will be different". Then at the very beginning of the next episode - you see Lana and CLark driving alone together late at night - where do you think they coming from? Now, I don't read spoilers - but, I am guessing they were on a date. And I am guessing that Jason ran to his mommy because Lana broke his heart. Which would explain why he is helping her in the last two episodes, instead of trying to work things out with Lana.

LanaandPete

10-02-2005, 02:13 PM

Thing is you are fanwanking, you are just making a guess of what happened. That'd be like me saying the reason why Chloe and Pete weren't in memoria was because they were having a date after Pete revealed he loved chloe

xrayvision

10-02-2005, 07:07 PM

What makes no sense is how she calls it a relationship of lies, which she was trying to leave, but then goes right back to Clark who she KNOWS is a liar.

It's like getting out of the frypan and into the fire. And she's one to talk after stealing the stone herself and hiding it. If Jason cared about getting the stones, he would have given it to his mother instead of giving it to her. I think Ms. Lang has leeched some of Clark's lying power.

smallvillefan26

10-03-2005, 04:57 PM

Just to throw my two cents in....

I was going to say that I found it very interesting that TPTB signed the note "L" instead of Lex or Lionel. I was under the assumption that it could be either for these reasons: 1) Lex helped Lana after she murdered Genevieve (and also because Lex thinks he killed Jason, though Lana doesn't know that and may not be under the opinion that this was helpful, but Lex may think it was); 2) Lionel cleaned up Genevieve's body and though Lana doesn't know this, it could be a gesture to make her aware and something that Mr. Luthor may bring up in the future.

However, in reading through the posts, someone mentioned that it's unlikely that Lionel wrote the note because he was a little "alien-posessed" at the time, which I hadn't thought of. I still find it interesting that it's signed "L" because I think it gives a little foreshadowing to the possibility of Lionel holding the murder over Lana's head? Regardless of whether Lex actually wrote the note.

In response to the topic of Lana grieving/not grieving over Jason's death: it's true that they did have a yearlong relationship and some grieving should probably happen. But, like someone else mentioned, towards the end Jason became a very different person than he was in the beginning and when a person hurts you, you're not likely to feel as upset if they die. Now, not to be a flip-flopper, but with that being said, I think that the brief shot of Lana reading the article did show her as feeling sadness for Jason's death. I also think that it is nearly impossible for TPTB to show many of the scenes we'd like to see in an hour long episode, especially the season premiere. They've said it themselves on commentaries and such that there are tons of things they'd like to show but can't because of time constraints. Not to go totally off-topic, but I think that the fight with the Kryptonians is an example. Some people are complaining that it was not enough. They probably wanted to do more and maybe even had more written for that scene, but there were just more important things in the episode than that particular interaction. I think the same thing applies to the whole Lana grieving over Jason thing.

angelfire east

10-04-2005, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by LanaandPete
Thing is you are fanwanking, you are just making a guess of what happened. That'd be like me saying the reason why Chloe and Pete weren't in memoria was because they were having a date after Pete revealed he loved chloe

I agree

ClarksNextGF

10-05-2005, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by angelfire east
I agree

Well.. since it was not in the episode, all we can do is make guesses :)

Shadow09

10-05-2005, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by DeVryGuy
I don't expect we will hear much in the way of the Teagues from here on out. If I were making this show I'd call Season 4 a loss and move on with a strong season 5

*agrees* as i once heard "The past is dead.... focus on the future."

Jellie

10-05-2005, 10:41 AM

Hell you never know Jason's corpse might turn up when Clark and Lana do the deed. He might just pop up from outta nowhere.

Yes I am dreaming

Dannyblue1

10-05-2005, 01:17 PM

Some seem to think that, because they had broken up, or because Lana realized Jason was different than she thought he was, etc., it makes total since that she doesn't react to news of Jason's death. Only, it doesn't. The fact is that, as human beings, we react to things like the death of someone we knew, no matter what the state of our relationship with them is.

I know some people don't like it when I use examples, but it fits so perfectly. On ANGEL, Wesley dated Lilah for a while. They finally broke up (when he accepted that she was truly evil, and had no real desire to change, and probably wouldn't hesitate to hurt him or his friends if it served her purposes). Not only that, but Wesley was clearly in love with another character, Fred, in a way he was never in love with Lilah.

But, when Lilah died, Wesley grieved for her. Despite being in love with someone else, despite having broken up with Lilah long before her death, despite having moved on, he felt her death because she was someone he once cared about a great deal, and those feelings don't just go away.

After dating him for a year, seeming to truly care about him, being willing to do almost anything to stay with him, I would've expected Lana to be more effected by news of Jason's death, whether they'd officially broken up or not. I attribute the fact that she didn't to weak writing, and the SV PTBs tendency to want to rush forward with things before giving real closure to their storylines.

angelfire east

10-05-2005, 04:39 PM

Great post Dannyblue1 I couldn't agree more!!! That example works perfectly:)

NickyJean

10-05-2005, 09:49 PM

First I thought it was extremely tacky for them to use a different actor, and its cus Jensen is on the same station and yeah I can except his "disappearance" but why not just use the same actor. would it have really killed them .. Next, I don't think that Jason was ever evil .. I have a firm belief that prolong exposure to those stones, drive a person insane.. Look at Lex who became obsessed to the point of losing his cool and lex never really loses his cool like when he pratically attacted lana at the chopper, next look at Isabelle's obsession. and lana being genarlly possesed.. not a normal occurrance.. and finaly Lionel Luthor, you have to admit that those last few eppisodes with him .. he would have considered himself insane from a then and now prospective.. Those stones were hidden in the apartment where Jason slept and spent alot of time.. so they effected him.. He didn't start out that way (the bottom line is the writers wanted him gone cus he was too cool of a good guy just like pete any true competition for hero on the show must be pushed aside for clark).. but hey what do I know.. it's only my opinion..