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KU Superdude

09-29-2005, 07:38 PM

Scotty

09-29-2005, 07:39 PM

WOW... WOW... WOW... I don't know what else to say...

MarkAllan22

09-29-2005, 07:43 PM

Dude, Lex was at the Kent house during the episode.

opticon

09-29-2005, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by KU Superdude
Opticon, next time you try to "flame" somebody, try to quote the right entry. Yes, I paid attention to the entire episode and my question of the location of Jason's body was not answered. Nobody entered the Kent home in between the time the meteor hit and the time Jonathan and Lois were searching the house for Martha. Jason's body was nowhere to be found.

Lex would not have had time to come steal the body because he was in the Yukon searching for Chloe. Lionel did not go into the Kent house either between those times. Why would he have left Jonathan and Martha in there to die?

Bottom line, you are on a euphoric high with this episode and have been totally blindsided by the fact it is the season premiere. Try to remain objective in the fact that we are still watching episodes by the SAME writers as before...with plotholes. Yes, I still believe them not finding Jason's body to be a writing mistake.
dude the newspaper with the note explained what happend i guess some people just need everything spelled out for them in legos

and thanks for informing me on my frame of mind by the way did who see me post anyting about this being the best episode ever?

MidgardDragon

09-29-2005, 07:50 PM

Opticon, next time you try to "flame" somebody, try to quote the right entry. Yes, I paid attention to the entire episode and my question of the location of Jason's body was not answered. Nobody entered the Kent home in between the time the meteor hit and the time Jonathan and Lois were searching the house for Martha. Jason's body was nowhere to be found.

Lex would not have had time to come steal the body because he was in the Yukon searching for Chloe. Lionel did not go into the Kent house either between those times. Why would he have left Jonathan and Martha in there to die?

Bottom line, you are on a euphoric high with this episode and have been totally blindsided by the fact it is the season premiere. Try to remain objective in the fact that we are still watching episodes by the SAME writers as before...with plotholes. Yes, I still believe them not finding Jason's body to be a writing mistake.

Dude, he said he *wasn't* trying to flame you. Way to remain objective their, buddy. There may be some people here on a high because it's the season premiere, but you're on a low or something because last season wasn't up to snuff. Just remember that bad writers *can* learn to be good writers. Give them a chance, and when picking apart what you think are plot-holes, don't ignore the facts. Someone moved the bodies, there was a paper confirming that *both* of the Teagues were *found* dead, signed by "L" saying that Lana "owed" this L person. That's called suspense, as was already pointed out.

No one here is trying to flame you, so don't through accusations like that around, alright?

I'm just happy I finally got into the board! :D Took me for flipping ever. Anyways, I agree, this *was* the best episode I have seen of Smallville, ever. There *were* problems. Zod's lackeys were defeated quite a bit more easily than I expected. I think, however, this is forgiveable. For one, they aren't meant to be the great evil we were warned about. The guy at the end (who I assumed was Zod, which I think is what all the people who don't read the rumors/forums are gonna think until they confirm it's Brainiac) is the great evil we were told about. The homage to Superman 1 with the Phantom Zone being the 2D flipping box thing was *awesome*. They really did this one for the fans, IMO, let's hope they continue to write for the fans, then this entire season *will* be "Legend"!

PS: I've seen two Greatest Ep. Ever's so far (although one of them was a joke about girl-on-girl Smallville ladies, but still) and no Worst Ep. Ever yet, I take this as a good sign. (I might not have read far enough on the board, though.) I'm hoping we don't have a Worst Ep. Ever thread, that trend from last season was really really lame.

EDITED: I quoted the wrong person.

Xcalibur

09-29-2005, 08:33 PM

Gosh this was nowhere close to being the best episode of smallville.

superman79

09-29-2005, 08:39 PM

I loved every second even the 2 it took for Clark to defeat the bad guys. This season bodes extremely well for fans.

MidgardDragon

09-29-2005, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Gosh this was nowhere close to being the best episode of smallville.

What's your favorite (best) episode?

Xcalibur

09-29-2005, 08:48 PM

It should definetely be better after all the sdisappointment of season 4.

Forever Zero

09-29-2005, 08:49 PM

I would say maybe 5th or 6th the spoiler clips really ruined the episode for me.

Xcalibur

09-29-2005, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
What's your favorite (best) episode?

Probably covenant.
The season finale of s2 was also fantastic.

LuckyKrypto

09-29-2005, 08:54 PM

I think this was one of those episodes that really leaves you hoping for a lot of good stuff this season! It was a great opening, in my opinion to a new season.
I was getting a little tired of some of the stories from last season and really want to see more of Clark emerging into the *legend* we know he will become.
It was a great start in my opinion!!:)

arachkid

09-29-2005, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Gosh this was nowhere close to being the best episode of smallville.

That's your opinion of course. I enjoyed it more than the majority if not all of previous episodes. For a lot of people I think it revolves around whether the word that comes up in your mind for this episode is 'homage' or 'rip-off'.

the_real_lois_lane

09-29-2005, 09:02 PM

ok, so i have a few things to say about this episode...

this episode blew me away. i loved it. that was the best episode ever, IMO! all of the special fx were great. the fortress of solitude rising out of the snow was unbelievable! i would consider the FOS and music from the film would be an homage, not a rip-off....it keeps the continuity of the superman story visually.
the opening credits were awesome...so much better than before. the chloe/clark talk was sweet, even though i'd seen the clip beforehand, it was still great.
lois impressed me in this episode, too. you can see her caring a bit more for what's happening in her "adopted" smallville (although i was disappointed to see that she's still going to europe instead of staying in smallville...wonder when she'll be back?) but when she and clark hugged i smiled (i'm a huge clois fan :) ) i also liked her interaction with the Kents...very sweet taking care of them.

and lex showing up at the hospital to get chloe...wow...i can honestly say that i didn't see that coming. complete change from a year ago when he was trying to protect her in the safehouse...i can't wait to see how that's gonna play out. some people think that lana will cause the rift between clark and lex, and while i think that will happen, i also think that the way lex has and will treat chloe will also play a part.

I just can't wait til next week. I'm definitely hyped up for the rest of this season now.

TREE

09-29-2005, 09:16 PM

I loved the episode! I can,t wait to see it again on my VCR to see if I missed anything. My only problem was that here in Indianapolis, IN the sound disappeared twice.

zoolander

09-29-2005, 09:49 PM

this episode was good but it was far from the best. covenant was indeed a sick episode mostly becacuse of the scene towards the end where lana is leaving and clark ditches her but she sees lex and that amazing mindy smith song is playing in the background and then she gets a glimpse of clark and finds the white rose..wow. anyways this season looks promising and i hope they get somewhere with the whole clark and lana thing.

Lord_Balthaazar

09-29-2005, 10:00 PM

This episode, was in my opinion, a Great way to open the new Season. Gone are the days of Smallville High and trying to win over Lana Lang.

Destiny takes the front line and things are moving along swiftly. I loved how the fortress formed itself from the crystal, I had the feeling I had watching the movie in those moments.

The Fortress itself was magnificent, I was in awe, it had an otherworldly feel to it and Chloe beheld it all, I was so happy to see she witnessed this spectacular and vital part of her best friends destiny.

Clark begins to gain confidence and sense of purpose right away as he accepts Jor-El's knowledge, having gained some trust toward his entity of a father when he guided him in the Meteor shower to stop what would have come.

The way Clark handles Jor-El, he uses reason and resolution and determination, shows his true nature, he's pure. He wouldnt let Chloe die, not for any reason, he was willing to do whatever he had to make sure this loyal and true friend survived.

I got this feeling of fascination and awe once more as I saw Chloe confide in Clark she knew, let him know it was ok, to please help her as only he can.

Seeing the Glow of the fortress, the light reflecting on the ice, it was amazing, I got this feeling like hes a true champion, not of this world but calling it his home and getting ready for a bigger destiny protecting it.

Then in the hospital he told the truth for once, knew it was alright, it felt good. He let her know he wasnt from around Smallville..not even of this Galaxy, she didnt freak out, she was shocked but she saw him for what he truely was. A great being, doing what he can to make things right in a new place hes come to call home and doing it all without thanks.

Seeing the report of Smallville and him rushing to the towns aide, that was great, Chloe was so in awe of him, she was cheering him on and was happy to be his friend, she loved him all her life but now she understands him, its great.

Lex, he's a new man, hes more sure of himself, less concerned about common decency, more concerned about the greater powers to be gained and knowledge to be had. Hes starting to loose his humanity, and he doesnt care, if he does some things not deemed good, its worth it to get what he wants.

Lex uses his vast reach to act swiftly, obtaining the ship, taking a risk and standing strong, cocky even in the face of danger trying to gain a bit more knowledge about beings from other worlds, power greater than his own.

I love how Clark finds him and they lay it bare, and say basically, if its over, dont tell me the truth, keep your secrets, but know that his next words are a declaration for war, a severing of a tie, neither will trust the other and theyll both try to get closer glimse into each other.

Clark doesnt trust Lex, with good reason, and so they agree to disagree and another piece of their friendship fades. True nature emerges in both, Clarks will to do right and good and just do what he can, Lexs dark tendancies and lack of concern for humanity as he glides forth, taking what he wants and finding what he needs to find.

The disciples of Zod, are thrilling in that they echo a future not yet unfolded in this part of the tale, and its a great nod to Zod. They were defeated a bit too quickly perhaps but the way they were imprisoned was wonderful.

Clark looses his strength and powers, stripped away of it just as he does another time in the fortress of sollitude of his own will. He looks forward to enjoying a brief time of peace for once in his life and his eyes are set on his first love, Lana Lang, I hope they live out their year of love together.

The scene set is an amazing one and I cant wait to see what happens, the end was just so damn..cool. I laughed in disbelief as Lana read the paper and saw Jason dead, Lex's writing next to the article, "You Owe Me One" now that was ballsy, and I loved the darkness of it, hes wicked and suave and dangerous these days, really embracing a new outlook on his life and cutting loose some restrictions and bounds of the once pure intentioned Lex Luthor who time and time again saw his good intentions turn to darkness and ill, and embracing a portion of his darkness in full right away this Season.

Seeing James Masters form of the ship, that was quite cool, and I love how it left us wanting more.

Long Live Smallville, the New period of the Future Super Mans life is off to an amazing start, hurtling towards his destiny faster than a speeding bullet, now it will slow to its own due pace and we will watch in amazement as it unfolds masterfully before us. I have high hopes.

elfstone2087

09-29-2005, 10:05 PM

You're right, Lord Balthaaar. It was awesome. Nice description by the way.

Lord_Balthaazar

09-29-2005, 10:07 PM

Thank You :)

the_real_lois_lane

09-29-2005, 10:18 PM

lord balthaazar....i agree with everything you said :)

also..i love your avi! lol :)

SVmonkeyboy

09-29-2005, 10:38 PM

This episode definately gives me lots of hope for the rest of the season. Now just to stay off the spoilers page and forums till I get home from running MC with my guild on WoW :D and have a chance to watch it.

I'd give it a 10/10, but for geek value I still liked the flash ep better LOL

JGuy805

09-29-2005, 10:38 PM

Best episode ever! Simply awesome. Don't know about anyone else, but I love when they tie the show into Superman and the future. :D
Clark totally owned those kryptonians. Brainiac looks to be a dangerous enemy. :X

NotTodayPete

09-29-2005, 10:41 PM

definitely one of the best episodes ever. Great suspense and so many new developments.

jOEL_EL

09-29-2005, 11:36 PM

"Arrival" could very well be the absolutely best ep ever when u consider how so many events took place in the span of 1 hour, events that fundamentally changed the relationships of so many characters - FOREVER. Like billiard balls at the break, everyone has changed direction and the new trajectories will affect each characters future in ways that were not possible before Arrival.

Arrival is a perfect name because not only does it mean the obvious arrival of the Zod disciples, followed by their rapid defeat by Clark - a truly heroic event that had me frickin screaming with admiration for CK, and not only does it also mean the arrival of Spike, whoops, I mean whatever his character is, Brainiac is it? - not only all that - but the title of this ep also means a new arrival for the series as a whole.

Gone is the Smallville of days past: gone are the relationships as we once knew them, gone is the friendship between Clark and Lex, gone is the wall of separation between Clark & Lana (finally), gone is Chloe's resentment of C-Lana, gone is Jason (I hope), gone is old man Luthor as he once was, gone is Lois as she leaves for Metropolis and gone is the small town innocence of a city that lay in ruin. Gone also is the innocence of Humanity as we open our eyes to a bigger reality: We are NOT alone in the universe. There are others, and now they're here!

To borrow one of Lionel's favorite phrases, I'd say that the individual events that occured during Arrival have taken Smallville to "a whole new level". It's a brand new ball game now. Although the name is the same, "Smallville" just grew up and it is essentially a new and different television series. It's much darker, mysterious and uncertain. Some giant reset button has been pressed and anything can happen now.

As is true for many of you, my mind is racing with possibilities - even as I am writing this. Quite honestly, I don't know how I'm gonna fall asleep tonight but somehow I don't care. Like some red krypto energy wave sweeping from east to west accross the North American continent, tonights broadcast of Arrival has exhilarated, thrilled, animated and agitated Smallville fans everywhere and not one of us will ever be the same again.

A television program as important and strongly felt as this has some deep connection to our own lives in some universal way. Perhaps it resonates with some deep seated unawakened aspect of our own humanity. Could we have lieing dormant within us certain untapped human potentials, skills and abilities? Abilities that are as different and individual for each of us as our personalites, tastes and preferences are different? Have these powers been lying dormant unrecognized and unrealized year after year only because we haven't bothered to seriously "look" for them and find out how to activate them? Imo yes, yeS, yES and YES!! Like the characters from Smallville, we might also become fundamentally changed with our own self-discovered "Arrival"and God only knows where we'll be heading after that which is why it takes courage - and maybe why so few go that far forward in their lives.

But these are new times, a new season has just begun. Though many challenges lay ahead, by working together we can help each other advance, defeat our common enemies and see the light of a new dawn and a brighter future for everyone. This is the 21st Century, a new time, a new beginning. There are hopeful signs all around. Future historians may well look back at the early years of the 3rd Millennium as the time when men and women began to find out for themselves their true destinies and individual purpose for "visiting" planet Earth. For this is a time of exploration, adventure and discovery, a time when boys become Men, girls become Women and Man becomes Superman! Replacing the ignorance and fear of the last millennium with freely available information, open debate, trust and compassion we are redefining these times. Rejecting the culture of death and destruction, we will shove those who promulgate this 20th century world view back where they belong - NOWHERE. No longer weighed down, repressed and restricted by the lies of the past, our possibilities are becoming unbounded and truly endless. We are making it so. A new Age has come, a new Way has Arrived!

SuperStupidPower

09-30-2005, 01:51 AM

I disagree... this episode had lots of eye candy.... but after the first 15 minutes... had very little substance.

You could sum up the episode with 3 statements.

Clark knows chloe knows / Clark chose Lana over Jor-El / Clark thinks everything will be gravy now that he is powerless (nothing to hide from Lana if things dont bounce off his chest.)

Personally I think "Blank" was the best episode to date.

Its the only one I've watched more than once. And its tapped off with the best line of the show, "You trusted me."

And while I love Allison Mack's acting skills, I am not a Chlark'r... well at least not since "Blank"

Blank was the first time I believed the feelings Clark has for Lana.

Blank caused me to nolonger puke at Clana... even though Ageless made me burp a bit in the back of my mouth.

Ultimately I am a strong CLois supporter, especially since Ms. Durance nailed the freaking heck out of the role.

jOEL_EL

09-30-2005, 08:48 AM

Rating something as "Best" is largely subjective because it all depends on how you define "best", a rather vague term. SuperStupidPower, I cannot disagree with anything you've said about the quality of the episode "Blank", a most excellent episode, one of my favorites and absolutely one of the best ever produced. But your feelings about Chlark, Clana and Clois are, well, just that: your feelings. I happen to have the same feelings about Chlark, but its hard for me to accept Clois as anything other than a brother-sister kind of relationship. On the other hand I've ALWAYS been a huge Clana supporter and probably always will. There's something epic and otherworldly about the way Lana and Clark relate. Their love is real, is immediate, uncontrived and not based on any "thing" or "event". It's not calculated, it's just there, ever present, a fact of life, a pre-existing condition, a force to be engaged or turned away from, but a living force nonetheless! With shadows of Bangel (from a previous WB series) the love between Lana and Clark comes from someplace beyond the material plane. It is timeless.

But take note: These are only my feelings and while some of them may be the same as yours, and others differ from yours, they are just feelings, based on our preferences, our biases, likes and dislikes for different types of women and our own individual past experiences. "Blank" made a head-long dive right to the heart of these previously established relationships and definitely made us, the fans, feel the effects - and as a result clarified for us our true beliefs and yearnings for Clana vs Chlark vs Clois. But it did not alter the course or direction of the series like the season opener we just experienced. Arrival wasted NO time in getting down to business. It didn't just "hint" at possibilities, it didn't "suggest" - it was decisive, uncompromising and in a word, brutal. It changed the FACTS of the series. See, we all "viewed" the episode Blank and who ever wasn't moved by it in some way probally also didn't have a pulse that night. But, we didn't simply view "Arrival", we "experienced" it and were pinned down as it nailed us to the wall.

So, if one were asked to rate the episode "Arrival" on the basis of both its immediate impact and permanent effect on the fundamental structure, direction, tenor and tone of the Smallville series, it would clearly tower above any previous episode that is likewise judged against these same set of criteria. If "Blank" was a moving and heart-felt earthquake, "Arrival" was an intense and unrelenting meteor storm that didn't stop when the rocks stopped raining down. In fact, it's effects are just beginning to be felt because "Arrival" is a planet killer. The impact wave hasn't even reached us yet and the storm of the century is about to make Hurricane Rita look like a foggy day in London. It has only just arrived...

WARNING: Buckle your seatbelts and keep your hands and feet inside the vehicle at all times. We're in for the thrill ride of our lives. THIS, is what we've signed up for and it's too late to turn back now 'cause the rollercoaster cars are already in motion - slowly climbing, climbing, ever climbing up, up and away - until the screaming begins: "Somebody save us! We don't care how you do it - just, save. We've been waiting for you..."

Good luck and Godspeed Smallville: You've made this whole world shine for us!

tigertim

09-30-2005, 08:58 AM

I don't know if it was the best episode ever. But Arrival was indeed a very good episode.

superman79

09-30-2005, 09:04 AM

Very very good indeed

drwood

09-30-2005, 09:07 AM

This was a very good episode (and I didn't see any spoilers before I watched it), but not near being the best. Episodes that come to mind that were better: Transference, Red, Shattered, Rosetta, Exile, Onyx, Commencement, Asylum.

Daphne

09-30-2005, 09:12 AM

Loved it. FOS great. Chloe and Clarks talk great. Thought he did leave her in The Yukon for Lex to bring back. Oops.

Xcalibur

09-30-2005, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by SuperStupidPower
I disagree... this episode had lots of eye candy.... but after the first 15 minutes... had very little substance.

You could sum up the episode with 3 statements.

Clark knows chloe knows / Clark chose Lana over Jor-El / Clark thinks everything will be gravy now that he is powerless (nothing to hide from Lana if things dont bounce off his chest.)

Personally I think "Blank" was the best episode to date.

Its the only one I've watched more than once. And its tapped off with the best line of the show, "You trusted me."

And while I love Allison Mack's acting skills, I am not a Chlark'r... well at least not since "Blank"

Blank was the first time I believed the feelings Clark has for Lana.

Blank caused me to nolonger puke at Clana... even though Ageless made me burp a bit in the back of my mouth.

Ultimately I am a strong CLois supporter, especially since Ms. Durance nailed the freaking heck out of the role.

Well i agree in that i dont think it was anywhere close to being the best ever.
But out of all the actors in smallville the only person who does not nail their role would be ED.

SuperStupidPower

09-30-2005, 03:45 PM

two things

1) I only mentioned my Chlark/Clana/Clois/Clex position to refute those who would say I only liked Blank because I am a Chlarker.

2) ED doesnt nail Lois Lane?!?!?! ED doesnt nail Lois Lane?!?!!? are you out of you mind? Have you ever read a Superman comic book? Did you ever watch Lois and Clark? Did you ever watch the black and white superman? Did you ever see any of the superman movies? Heck, did you ever watch the old superman cartoons where he could still only jump from place to place instead of flying?

Lois has always been hard headded, stupid, beligerent, fearless, sarcastic, beautiful (Kidder aside), and has always picked on clark... they cant stand each other, yet they ulitmately love each other. ED.... ED is more Lois Lane than Clark is Clark... ED is more Lois Lane than Jonathan Kent is Jonathan Kent. ED is more Lois than Martha is Martha!!!! ED IS LOIS LANE! Heck, ED is more Lois than Chloe is Chloe... and Chloe was made up for the show!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, rant over now :)

Bonus point:

3) Ok yes... Arrival set a new tone for the series. And "best" is a very subjective term. I also dont think Blank was a perfect episode. The FOTW was lame, the Sheriff Mean Lady had no jurisdiction in Metropolis (unless she is a county Sheriff - she did mention locking the secretary in county jail - and Metropolis is in the same county as Smallville... but thats unlikely)

<bonus side rant - "Guess I can't call you "smallville" anymore!" OMG!!!!!!!!! how can you not think ED is Lois!!!!!!!!!!!>

But I thought the development of the events was rather lame in Arrival. Everyone agrees the fight was anticlimatic. The FOS is there, but nothing really happened in it other than Clark learning Chloe knows. Lex and Clark managed to stay in each others "questionable people" zone... but they were there already. Brainac shows up... but had no impact on the episode itself. Clark lost his powers so he is carefree with Lana... but that isnt a permenant change either.

The only permenant changes in this episode were: Clark knows Chloe knows and the FOS.

So if your assesment of Arrival is the best ever is due to the series changing events... I'd say there isnt much to base that assessment on. How are those two events such a big deal in comparison to... say Heat, or Run (new power, new friend)... the dialoge wasn't awesome. I just dont think Arrival was all that good. /shrug

Xcalibur

09-30-2005, 05:47 PM

Nope she doesn't nail her role IMO.
And yes i know quite a lot about the superman series so dont question me.

AManLookingForADream

09-30-2005, 06:14 PM

im definitely excited for next week, we'll say that.

Jellie

09-30-2005, 06:18 PM

It had a great start and a good ending, i thought it was a good ep but not the best ever. The mood has definatly changed this season

TMLS' BROTHER

09-30-2005, 08:47 PM

This was nowhere near the best episode ever. It was good not great or amazing or the best.

Originally posted by SuperStupidPower
2) ED doesnt nail Lois Lane?!?!?! ED doesnt nail Lois Lane?!?!!? are you out of you mind? Have you ever read a Superman comic book? Did you ever watch Lois and Clark? Did you ever watch the black and white superman? Did you ever see any of the superman movies? Heck, did you ever watch the old superman cartoons where he could still only jump from place to place instead of flying?

Lois has always been hard headded, stupid, beligerent, fearless, sarcastic, beautiful (Kidder aside), and has always picked on clark... they cant stand each other, yet they ulitmately love each other. ED.... ED is more Lois Lane than Clark is Clark... ED is more Lois Lane than Jonathan Kent is Jonathan Kent. ED is more Lois than Martha is Martha!!!! ED IS LOIS LANE! Heck, ED is more Lois than Chloe is Chloe... and Chloe was made up for the show!!!!

I'm a big ED supporter but SHE IS NOT LOIS LANE, She is far from it. ED can't act very well IMO she is just eye-candy for the show jsut like KK is, AM is the only actress that can act in the show IMO the rest just suck. I get what your saying about Lois always being mean to Clark and all that stuff but ED does not act very well in those scenes or any other IMO. The only reason I like ED is coz she is the nicest thing to look at on the show.

Sorry about that rant but I feel it had to be said.

aqua

09-30-2005, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
AM is the only actress that can act in the show IMO the rest just suck.

Uh, are you blind or have you seen AOT?

MidgardDragon

09-30-2005, 08:51 PM

Wasn't there a vague rule about not insulting the actors personally (i.e. not flat out saying "they suck")? I remember threads getting closed for it in the past.

No other comments, I'm just saying....

TMLS' BROTHER

09-30-2005, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by aqua
Uh, are you blind or have you seen AOT?

I have seen her but she acted awfully in Arrival IMO I didn't like her in any season either. So I stand by what I said, I PERSONALLY dont think any actress bar AM can act on the show (very well)

aqua

09-30-2005, 09:06 PM

Meh, AM is overrated, IMO.

Xcalibur

09-30-2005, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by aqua
Uh, are you blind or have you seen AOT?

I'm only impressed by her sometimes.
Still she is better than some of the others

MidgardDragon

09-30-2005, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by aqua
Meh, AM is overrated, IMO.

I think AM deserves the praise she gets. I also think the rest of the crew deserve the praise they get when they do, and rarely deserve the gripes they get. Well, except for the writers. The writers usually deserve the gripes they get, but the actors rarely do.

I'd challenge any one of you to do a better job then the cast of Smallville, but I have a feeling you'd fall completely flat on your face in the first dramatic scene.

TMLS' BROTHER

09-30-2005, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
I'd challenge any one of you to do a better job then the cast of Smallville, but I have a feeling you'd fall completely flat on your face in the first dramatic scene.

I dont think anyone has said that they would be better for the job. But what some of us have said is that Smallville should have better actors and not ones jsut caast for eye-candy or thats my interpration at least.

Xcalibur

09-30-2005, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by SuperStupidPower
two things

1) I only mentioned my Chlark/Clana/Clois/Clex position to refute those who would say I only liked Blank because I am a Chlarker.

2) ED doesnt nail Lois Lane?!?!?! ED doesnt nail Lois Lane?!?!!? are you out of you mind? Have you ever read a Superman comic book? Did you ever watch Lois and Clark? Did you ever watch the black and white superman? Did you ever see any of the superman movies? Heck, did you ever watch the old superman cartoons where he could still only jump from place to place instead of flying?

Lois has always been hard headded, stupid, beligerent, fearless, sarcastic, beautiful (Kidder aside), and has always picked on clark... they cant stand each other, yet they ulitmately love each other. ED.... ED is more Lois Lane than Clark is Clark... ED is more Lois Lane than Jonathan Kent is Jonathan Kent. ED is more Lois than Martha is Martha!!!! ED IS LOIS LANE! Heck, ED is more Lois than Chloe is Chloe... and Chloe was made up for the show!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, rant over now :)

Bonus point:

3) Ok yes... Arrival set a new tone for the series. And "best" is a very subjective term. I also dont think Blank was a perfect episode. The FOTW was lame, the Sheriff Mean Lady had no jurisdiction in Metropolis (unless she is a county Sheriff - she did mention locking the secretary in county jail - and Metropolis is in the same county as Smallville... but thats unlikely)

<bonus side rant - "Guess I can't call you "smallville" anymore!" OMG!!!!!!!!! how can you not think ED is Lois!!!!!!!!!!!>

But I thought the development of the events was rather lame in Arrival. Everyone agrees the fight was anticlimatic. The FOS is there, but nothing really happened in it other than Clark learning Chloe knows. Lex and Clark managed to stay in each others "questionable people" zone... but they were there already. Brainac shows up... but had no impact on the episode itself. Clark lost his powers so he is carefree with Lana... but that isnt a permenant change either.

The only permenant changes in this episode were: Clark knows Chloe knows and the FOS.

So if your assesment of Arrival is the best ever is due to the series changing events... I'd say there isnt much to base that assessment on. How are those two events such a big deal in comparison to... say Heat, or Run (new power, new friend)... the dialoge wasn't awesome. I just dont think Arrival was all that good. /shrug

If you want to do comparisons then i would say that teri hatcher was way better as lois than ED.
She was only included as eye candy to try to get the ratings up

MidgardDragon

09-30-2005, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
I dont think anyone has said that they would be better for the job. But what some of us have said is that Smallville should have better actors and not ones jsut caast for eye-candy or thats my interpration at least.

I think it's a bit outlandish to suggest that any of the actors on Smallville are only eye-candy. Yes, most of them are hot, but that doesn't automatically make them bad actors.

Michael Rosenbaum and John Glover - both actors who have taken the roles they were given and made them their own. Mike *is* Lex Luthor (the early years) to me now, and that's because he's done such a great job re-interpreting Lex. Lionel is a character that was unnecessary, and yet again, John Glvoer has made it his role, and it is awesome. He's not all that attractive either IMO.

Tom Welling. If anyone has emerged as an amazing talent from this show, it is him. He nails the role of Clark Kent (the early years) better than any of the other interpretations I have seen on screen. He brings a humanity to Clark that is much needed.

Kristin, AM(not sure how to spell her first name off the top of my head :P), John Schneider, Annette, Erica, all of them, are amazing talents. They aren't always given the best material to work with, but you can't fault an actor for that. Even when the scripts are lame, they manage to make it special.

No, I can't say that I agree that AM is the only talented one amongst them at all. AM is a great talent amongst many others of similar caliber.

LaraofKrypton

09-30-2005, 11:40 PM

I believe they are all very talented and that this episode is by far one of the best ever. I had a houseful of 16 people who all agreed on both points...especially the Chlark "talk"! How can AM's acting even be in question here? For those who just want to bash the actors, "whatever"...everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. If the acting was bad, we wouldn't even watch!

MBCorp

09-30-2005, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
I'm a big ED supporter but SHE IS NOT LOIS LANE, She is far from it. ED can't act very well IMO she is just eye-candy for the show jsut like KK is, AM is the only actress that can act in the show IMO the rest just suck. I get what your saying about Lois always being mean to Clark and all that stuff but ED does not act very well in those scenes or any other IMO. The only reason I like ED is coz she is the nicest thing to look at on the show.

Sorry about that rant but I feel it had to be said.

I have yet to understand why it is when one actress is brought up the other actresses have to be bashed. When people praise Tom Welling they don't go out of their way to bash Michael Rosenbaum, and vice versa, but it seems like people can't praise AM or Chloe without going out of their way to bash the other gals on the show. I just can't understand that at all.

F-Stop Blues

09-30-2005, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
I have yet to understand why it is when one actress is brought up the other actresses have to be bashed. When people praise Tom Welling they don't go out of their way to bash Michael Rosenbaum, and vice versa, but it seems like people can't praise AM or Chloe without going out of their way to bash the other gals on the show. I just can't understand that at all.

Its just becuase having Lois on the show kills all the other ships.

MidgardDragon

10-01-2005, 12:04 AM

People might think it kills the other ships, but does it really? Clark and Lois don't even have anything to do with each other romantically 'til many years from now. Clark is free to date whomever he pleases at this point. As both the S5 premiere and Superman canon will prove, he chooses Lana while he's in Smallville. Having Lana on the show is what should have killed any other 'ships, honestly, but people still want to dream that he will somehow magically end up with someone else, ignoring Superman mythos. Many of these same people then go on to complain when Superman mythos is ignored. :P Go figure.

jOEL_EL

10-01-2005, 03:35 AM

I agree w/u MidgardDragon: These are all very talented. likable, believable actors and actresses. In fact, they're awesome - everyone of them.

I admit I'm having a hard time accepting Lois but not because she's not a great actress or that her role is poorly written. I tried to understand why and I now think it's because I would much rather watch Lana and Chloe get the major screentime instead of Lois. ED's Lois is fine for comic relief w/Clark but I hope she doesn't come to dominate the stories. I can only take so much of her smart a## personality which imo makes the show less real, less serious, more sitcom'ish and not nearly as enjoyable as, for instance when Chloe is on a case.

I just wanna see the Clark-Lana ship develop - FINALLY - and see where they go with it But I hope it's not gonna be just a one or two ep fling - it should be one of the primary season- long story arcs.

I DO resent the way ED is before AM in the opening series credits trailer. HOW DARE THEY! What a lousy thing to do to Chloe - my baby! Wth is it w/the producers adoration of ED? She's no better an actress than AM and certainly not as engaging as either AM or KK.

My Recommendations:
1. Save ED's Lois for NEXT year and keep a lid on her in S5. PUHLEASE!!!
2. Fix the credits NOW! w/ AM before ED. On this I insist!
3. I hope there is a major focus on the Clana ship and more stories about Lana's tragic past and how she still must deal w/ the loss of her parents.
4. Want lots of time on Chloe - her inner conflict is always so easy to read and her expressions are priceless! I would die for a babe like that.
5. Don't EVER let Lex Luthor touch Lana again or I'll kill him myself!
6. Other than that, I hope Lex gets as evil as possible. He's past the point of no return and it's all downhill from here. Yeah!
7. Somebody fix Lionels eyes!
8. They never shoulda got rid of Whitney. Never understood that. (How's that for a non sequitur?)

Btw, Margot Kidder's Lois was waaay better than ED. Imo. It just now occured to me: ED's Lois is flawed because what woman her age acts like that? She just doesn't seem natural or real somehow. The writers should make her more appealing. I mean, even when Chloe gets a little too pushy when she gets carried away on an investigation, you get mildly annoyed but you still like her. ED's Lois is more "in your face" which only works when its directed at something clearly evil, like that Zod chick. Idk, I just found her to be annoying. I fail to see what it is about her or her past that makes her endearing like I do with Chloe and Lana. I'm sure having a dad thats a 3 star general is tough. Having to watch some ditzy 20 y/o run around acting like a 3 star general is even tougher. Oh yeah, and having this lame 3 star general daddy drop in every now and then is so lame and unbelievable too.

I totally love this show though. These are my only gripes - and they center around ED and maybe JM. Time will tell...

asim

10-01-2005, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by jOEL_EL
Btw, Margot Kidder's Lois was waaay better than ED. Imo.

Cant compare the two. ED is Lois as a teen, Margot was Lois fully developed and in her prime.

Erica is showing us HOW she became the Lois of the future. No one is the same through their whole life. Thats like saying Clark should have that supreme confidence and be Superman from the very beginning, but he's not. Its a learning process, its about going through those teenage years. So Lois is different now and smallville is just showing you what it took for her to become that confident reported in metropolis.

Morbo

10-01-2005, 04:17 AM

This is the best episode yet.
Why? Because it stays true to the movies we all know and love. Personally I love the episodes where they do a little homage toward the movies.

Arrival had JK and MK finding CK/ Then we had the Dr swan episodes. But omg we see the FOS forming just like in the movie but with better effects, a wink to ZOD and his philosophy (like they wanted kal-el to joins them just like ZOD offered Jor-El to join him), the phantom zone device and the 2 trapped in that window, the loosing his powers(although in the movies that happened in the FOS it has the same meaning since he saw the sun and Lana and chose to stay with Lana)

So many references to the movies. I love it.

That said. I did want to see CK have bit more interaction with Jor-El (at least he is not screaming in the dark any more but a hologram of Jor-El would have been nice.)

But that what we have 21 more episodes for I guess.

jOEL_EL

10-01-2005, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by asim
Cant compare the two. ED is Lois as a teen, Margot was Lois fully developed and in her prime.

Erica is showing us HOW she became the Lois of the future. No one is the same through their whole life... So Lois is different now and smallville is just showing you what it took for her to become that confident reported in metropolis.

First of all, very well put asim. I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with what you are saying about Clark. In fact this is why alot of people watch the show, because they can relate to Clark and much of what he is going through as a teenager. By focusing on Superman as a boy it makes him accessible to common mortals.

The greatest appeal of Smallville is this novel approach to the Superman mythos. Just as you say, it shows us what Clark Kent went through as he was growing up, on his way into manhood and becoming Superman. They do a great job showing his vulnerabilities, his character development, how those surrounding him influenced him, helped shape his opinions, his judgement process, his understanding of himself, the world at large and how he relates to it all. The significant humans in his life like Jonathon, Martha, Lex, Lana, Chloe & Pete all had major influences on Clark the boy becoming Clark the super man, and savior of the world.

This is not however what is happening with Lois and in point of fact is my main complaint about her. It is as if she's already grown! MidgardDragon earlier said ED IS Lois Lane - THE definitive Lois Lane. This underscores what I'm saying too - that unlike CK, you DO NOT see Lois the girl becoming Lois the woman. Not really. Maybe on some superficial level she is girl-like but in every important way she acts, talks and walks very much as she will when she later encounters Clark at the Daily Planet. Her personality is already fully developed, pre-formed and pre-packaged inside this younger Lois. There is little or no development visible - her character comes to us already developed!

You have inadvertantly hit on the crux of the matter and perhaps why I find it so hard to like ED as Lois: Because there is no difference between her and the older version of Lois. At least not with what we know about the older Lois. Like the mind of an older woman forced inside a younger body, she won't significantly change! And what I see isn't appealing in a younger woman even though it may be cute and adorable in a more vulnerable older woman. Actually I wouldn't care that much until I realized how she might displace Chloe or Lana and hog all the screentime - then she will become veeery annoying. Its already happened in the opening credits! If she becomes too prominant or displaces Chloe and/or Lana I'll probably give up on the series. One new character can actually upset the perfect balance that has been achieved over the last 4 years and ruin it all. I hope not.

In summary, regarding ED and Margot Kidder, I say you CAN compare the two because there is no difference. ED-Lois = Morgot Kidder-Lois in terms of personality, character, maturity and behavior quirkiness. This character is delightful as a woman (Margot Kidders version) but forced and unattractive as a girl (ED's version). If you disagree, please show me specific examples in previous eps of how ED is behaving in any way different from how Margot Kidder, or any other previous adult version of Lois Lane would behave. I rest my case.

Hey Morbo - you said it! I think exactly the same about all the points you made. Arrival was excellent on so many levels one could dissect it scene for scene and demonstrate this eps significance on all the levels you mention and then some. It is seminal. Nice post!