That fight sucked!!

[AnimeJoe]

Anyone else felt the fight between Clark and Zod's disciples ended wayyyy too quickly? The spoilers were a much better read as they were probably based on a previous script?

Clark's fight with those two was like sitting down for an old school Tyson fight-- You blink and it's over.

[superman_115]

Yea, I know how you feel.

However, I am happy with how the glass panel showed them frozen in it just like in the Superman movie.

That I thought was pretty cool, but don't worry, I couldn't blink for I wanted to get the whole episode in.

[shy175223]

yeah, so much for the back flip. Not much.

[KU Superdude]

Yeah, the fight definitely sucked. Tom Welling said they even went overbudget on this episode. Kinda disappointing they chose to use it all on SFX and not some decent stuntmen to lay out a decent fight scene.

Oh, and they aren't frozen in the glass panel. You can still see them move around....they are just 2-D instead of 3-D.

[Scotty]

Well I was expecting a better fight scene because of the spoilers we had, but I was still very impressed. :D

[k18]

I agree. It went way too fast. I was looking forward to the backflip, but didn't happen. Oh, well. Phantom Zone was great and overall: AWESOME EPISODE!!!!!

[Magus]

It was a cool way to see the sun go down. But the fight was WAY too short. It was just like "o, i'm in trouble, no i'm not i've won"

[Summers]

Once again a very short fight. I did like Clark using his brains for once when he is fighting by tricking the two Kryptonians, but honestly I wasn't impressed.

[bembol]

I've noticed Smallville is not about the "fights" after going through Season Four DVD...

That quickie didn't suprise me one bit. I would've love for them to battle it out for 30 minutes though :D

[Lex n' Lana]

I agree, I was happy with the episode until after that fight, way to fast and clean but the Phantom Zone reference was nice. they needed to fight for at least 10 min, destroy some of the Luthor mansion :lol:

but i liked the overall episode and themes we can expect to play out in S5. At least it looks promising until AlMiles find a way to screw it up LOL

[Forever Zero]

but clark did fly towards them or something because he was just hanging on and i dont think he could of ran when he threw artheyr but he did run when he threw nam-ek. (btw you dont know what there names really are because they are never mentioned)

[warriorrenegade]

You know you're right they're names were never mentioned. I have to agree with ya'll the fight was dissapointing. I was on the edge of my seat thinking ok this is it "Kick some a** Clark" then nothing lol. Loved the PZ referrence.

[Deia]

I agree. the fight went WAY too quick...


now, i could be biased because i JUST watched superman II (yesterday) but, honestly, i expected a deathmatch between three kryptonians to be a little more.... oh.... super?

i mean, we're talking about the three most powerful beings on the freaking PLANET, and clark kicks butt by shoving the dude in the chest?

ah well. guess you can't really pack a movie-size fight in a TV show.....


jonathan and clark's fight in phoenix was cooler....

[nothingwithoutchloe]

Originally posted by Forever Zero
but clark did fly towards them or something because he was just hanging on and i dont think he could of ran when he threw artheyr but he did run when he threw nam-ek. (btw you dont know what there names really are because they are never mentioned)


I was thinking the same thing when I saw that. They cut it out just to keep us wondering if he flew or not.

On a side note, they really did a number on Lana, I felt bad for her. She's really gotten beaten up lately, at the end of Commencement in the helicopter and then by the two kryptonians.

[elfstone2087]

I agree, the fight wasn't that good, but the Phantom Zone thingy was cool.

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

The fight was dissappointing. There should have been more. Did you notice that they acknowledged that they couldn't kill Clark. It was like they were saying that he is stronger than they are.

As for the backflip, I guess the info he got from his short download was psyching people out with "holding on for dear life with a single finger, only to smile and put my whole hand back on it and throw your monkey tale in the vortex" skill.

[AnimeJoe]

Clark had tougher bouts with Smallville's one-dimensional Freaks of the Week than he did with the multi-dimensional Kryptonians.. Rereading the original Fight spoiler, MAN do I feel jipped, LOL.

Jonathan and Lana/Isobel put up a MUCH better fight! ;)

Hopefully when they finally release the Season 5 DVDs, they'll include additional fight scenes in the Deleted Scenes section.


As for the backflip, I guess the info he got from his short download was psyching people out with "holding on for dear life with a single finger, only to smile and put my whole hand back on it and throw your monkey tale in the vortex" skill.


LOLOL.. Nice! :)

He also learned how to Lie better!

[unsafepariah]

I agree they hyped it up in spoilers...

But after watching a second time, I realized he just tricked them, so I don't feel the fight was that lame.

He's holding on with one finger, until they turn their back, then just surprises them by chucking Aethyr in, and by the time Nam-ek turns about BOOM a nice stiff-arm is waiting for him.

Seeing them fly out the window 2D also made it worth it IMO :D

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

I don't think that they filmed that scene. I think they found it too much because of Lois and the bazooka and being on a military base would attract alot of attention.

I don't think that they filmed that scene. I think they found it too much because of Lois and the bazooka and being on a military base would attract alot of attention.

I agree, I almost had a coniption when I saw the Phantom Zone, that was sweet.

[Kal-El 2005]

Yeah it was crap, thought it was a rip-off of good time, made the season premiere kinda lame

[nothingwithoutchloe]

Originally posted by NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn
The fight was dissappointing. There should have been more. Did you notice that they acknowledged that they couldn't kill Clark. It was like they were saying that he is stronger than they are.


I might be wrong, I'm just guessing here, but I don't think they were acknowledging the fact that Clark is stronger than them. I think they were saying that they can't kill him because he's kryptonian and that's why they can't kill him. Kinda like in the Superman movies where they didn't kill Zod and his disciples, they sent them to the PZ. That was my thought on that.

[Deia]

addendum: sorry about the double post...




call me a purist, but i dig old school special effects (the one exception: clark flying in smallville vs. front projection... which just looks lame now, but looked pretty rad 25 years ago) the computer generated phantom zone just doesn't look as cool as the old school one.....


and seriously... has everyone in hollywood besides peter jackson forgotten what a minature is? computer graphics are all well and good, and i try not to be TOO much of a film nazi, but the creation of the fortress of solitude had me alternating between "mmmmm superman lore... giddiness" and "my God, it looks like a bloody video game"

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
Anyone else felt the fight between Clark and Zod's disciples ended wayyyy too quickly? The spoilers were a much better read as they were probably based on a previous script?

Clark's fight with those two was like sitting down for an old school Tyson fight-- You blink and it's over.

Yeah the fight sucked. BIGTIME

[gtjsasso-el]

maybe they are saving to good fight for when clark meets whoever that was that came out of the ship at the end

[DarkClone]

it was a pretty lame fight, i was hopin for somethin like the fight between Pa Kent and Clark back in season 3 . . .that would have been awesome. Oh well

[IconThunder]

While I do agree that the fight sequence in the episode was a serious let down, especially considering what was said in the spoilers, I had a thought that might just explain it.

If my memory serves Tom Welling's stunt double was injured during filming of an episode, I postulate that it might have been the whole fight scene, thereby making it nessesary to rewrite an easier scene that could be filmed entirely by Tom, and therefore a lot less dangerous than originally planned.

That's just something that popped in my head, maybe I'm crazy.

It's too bad for whatever reason, I was looking forward to seeing Erica Durance with a bazooka.

[LanaandPete]

Any feel like the kryptonians were wasted in this ep, no real development about them. their names were never said

Also if it was a real fight, Clark would have got his ass kicked. But I do find it funny that some earth kids put up better fights than kryptonians, but like many said, Clark tricked them into thinking they won

[NotTodayPete]

I was a little disappointed because I wanted the villains around for more episodes. But it really wasn't a fight scene like everyone is calling it. They tried to dispose of Clark and he managed to turn it on them.

[Lana_Lang #1]

I thought that the fight was very short (probably for the stunt coordination reason mentioned above) but brillantly well done and the Phantom Zone was breathtaking!

I was really scared for Clark when Aethyr threw the bracelet at Clark and it almost hit him, it missed him only just and then it landed and opened and Clark looked completely freaked out.

When he looked into that thing, I saw more fear and horror then I've ever seen in his eyes before! Clark just stood there staring into it, entranced and frozen in a brief bout of fear. I think Clark knew what it was or maybe it reminded him of that nightmare void he was in last summer.

Which makes me wonder...If it had hit Clark would he have been captured automatically?

[Tacosupes]

Al Miles didnt screw up season four, the new writers did. Mostly the women writers and their Lifetime channel themes like devoted and Kryp tuck(facade). But arrival was written by Smallville veteran Tod Slaykin and Directed by SVs best, James Marshall. Lets put season four behind us.


At least the first episode of season 5 had better SFX than all of season 4.
Yes the fight sucked, but the opening fight with The cops ruled. Still I hated seeing "GUN" from ANGEL go out like a punk. Oh well , If they really had a knockdown dragout, it would destroy the Mansion, killing Lana, and getting the attention of Luthors otherwise comatose guards.

[protege]

I sure hope the (supposed ) fight scene in Aqua is better than this.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Damn you guys are so nit picky.

[arachkid]

The Kryptonians knew they couldn't beat Clark - not that he's stronger than them, but they're all gods in this world - invulnerable, etc. So they decided they were going to toss him into the PZ. There never WAS going to be a fight. I'll give the Kryptonians some dulled reactions given their unknown amount of time locked away in a planned meteor shower. :p

[DarkChilde]

I could see clark tricking the first one. But there should have been at least a few punches and some heat vision with the other.

Also did you notice that when Kyrptonite is near Clark he becomes pretty much immobile. Yet it only weakened these 2 a little. Clark cannot walk when he is around it. I thought that killed continuity(sp) issues

[Tacosupes]

This serves youi right for READING the spoilers.

AND DONT mention the spoilers from OTHER Episodes here, as some tool above did. AT least write "SPOILER alert" before you do. If you cant handle that stay in the spoiler forum.

[LanaandPete]

Originally posted by Tacosupes
Al Miles didnt screw up season four, the new writers did. Mostly the women writers and their Lifetime channel themes like devoted and Kryp tuck(facade). But arrival was written by Smallville veteran Tod Slaykin and Directed by SVs best, James Marshall. Lets put season four behind us.


At least the first episode of season 5 had better SFX than all of season 4.
Yes the fight sucked, but the opening fight with The cops ruled. Still I hated seeing "GUN" from ANGEL go out like a punk. Oh well , If they really had a knockdown dragout, it would destroy the Mansion, killing Lana, and getting the attention of Luthors otherwise comatose guards.

That wasnt Gunn from Angel, it was Forrest, Riley's friend, from Buffy

[Tony30]

I actually LIKE how he knocked their butts into the phantom zone. It left them more time to wrap up some other crap and leaves those characters to come back later. Zod is gonna kick butt and prolly release the disciples later in the season :)

Color me excited :D

[BlueNRed2]

Have to agree, that part was the only one that i was let down on. I definately expected some more action but oh well, the rest was outstanding imo.

[vyperman7]

The fight was over way too quickly. You do have to remember though that they had a lot to fit in. You only get 42 -45 minutes per episode. My only other gripe was the whole Jason situation. But overall, this was seriously one of the best episodes they have ever done. The opening was the best SV moment ever.

I have not been this psyched over an episode since Exile.

[gtjsasso-el]

yeah I'd rather have more substance in the show and forgo a big fight scene. But they could have made time for a fight scene by trimming back some of the filler. But then, if they did have a big long fight, Clark would've been whooped by those two.

[Gr8stNonKryptonianHero]

Makes me wonder if those 2 escape the PZ and there is a rematch down the road. I know they tried to have Clark join them, but why were they sent after Kal-El in the first place? That means someone (Zod?) knew Jor-El sent him to Earth. I think there is some more backstory that needs to be explained.

[Ultron]

Originally posted by nothingwithoutchloe
I might be wrong, I'm just guessing here, but I don't think they were acknowledging the fact that Clark is stronger than them. I think they were saying that they can't kill him because he's kryptonian and that's why they can't kill him. Kinda like in the Superman movies where they didn't kill Zod and his disciples, they sent them to the PZ. That was my thought on that.

Actually Zod et al don't have compunctions against killing. They have no compunctions against it from what I gather from the movies. :)

One other thing, what happened to the PZ shard is ambiguous. No reason it can't be gathered or used as a prison, and no doubt the disciples of Zod might have had a way to hold onto it or retrieve it after they would have captured Kal El. Wouldn't it seem odd that they are just holding onto a tool that captures people and then flies off afterwards?

Really we don't know anything about PZ technology or what the writers intend for it. But I wasn't too disappointed by the fight scene because I don't read spoliers. :)

[DeVryGuy]

I think that when Braniac and Clark finally throw down, then we're going to get some good fight action

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

Originally posted by nothingwithoutchloe
I might be wrong, I'm just guessing here, but I don't think they were acknowledging the fact that Clark is stronger than them. I think they were saying that they can't kill him because he's kryptonian and that's why they can't kill him. Kinda like in the Superman movies where they didn't kill Zod and his disciples, they sent them to the PZ. That was my thought on that.

They didn't kill Zod at Krypton because they didn't believe in that. Zod attempted to kill Superman in the movie. If a Kryptonian and Kryptonian fought, they would be able to kill each other, they would be of the same abilities, but maybe different variants of it. They could certainly kill him, if they both concentrated their heat vision and burned him to death.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by vyperman7
The fight was over way too quickly. You do have to remember though that they had a lot to fit in. You only get 42 -45 minutes per episode. My only other gripe was the whole Jason situation. But overall, this was seriously one of the best episodes they have ever done. The opening was the best SV moment ever.

I have not been this psyched over an episode since Exile.


Word Ryan.

[Atrocity]

I also agree that it was too short, but I think there was a reason. When they said they couldn't kill him maybe they meant they were "told" not to kill him by Zod somehow and they actually needed to be sent into the PZ by Clark to have better communication with Zod.

JMO

[nothingwithoutchloe]

Maybe their whole reason for being ther was so that Brainiac could get onto earth undetected.

[Brainiac_13]

It was utilitarian. There wasn't much need for a ton of choreography. I must say, though, that those guys had better reflexes while under the influence of Kryptonite than when they had the upper hand.

"Let us turn our backs, assuming that he will lose his grip on the cable we could easily melt with our heat vision."

"Yes. Let's."

[Rozq]

i think that the fight scene was superb, not to long, not to short they didn't put to many effects there so it looked more realistic than the meteors and helicopter flighting in commencement, for me that scene was lame - too many effect and the pilot should start playing quake3 with his great reflex

[freddielm]

It WAS very short. I was expecting a kick-ass fight and that didn't happen.

[KentClark]

Originally posted by freddielm
It WAS very short. I was expecting a kick-ass fight and that didn't happen.

Agreed...I was left wanting more out of the fight sequence

[asim]

I totally expected him to grab the bar and then shoot himself back like a torpedo lol. That was kinda cool. Definetely not enough time given to the disciples of Zod. No explanation, no nothing just obliteration and then boom they're gone.

[gtjsasso-el]

there is no way that clark really could have defeated them. He just got lucky that they turned their backs. It was pretty lame. As for brainiac, he isn't even Kryptonian, so I doubt that they knew he had tagged along hidden in their ship.

[jim[beam]]

It was too short and a little too simple. Too bad, they could have done so much more with it. More fighting and maybe even the kryptonian fighting style. Clark could have gotten that from the FOS.

Oh well, maybe sometimes...

-jim

[AnimeJoe]

It wouldn't have mattered whether I read the spoilers or not, I would have still been completely disappointed by the fight scene...

I mean think about it. You have TWO Kryptonians (with the same strengths and weakness) battling Clark and he's done with them in under 30 seconds.. Whereas Isobel, Jonathan Kent, The Indian guy with the Kryptonian blade, and some of the Freaks of the Week kind of handed him his ass for a little bit before he finally turned the tables on them.

Like someone else mentioned before, it's too bad they didn't make the premiere a 90-minute event, maybe then they could have squeezed in a better fight sequence.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Alana De La Garza is fricking gorgeous.

[DGreen]

i've actually said this on another thread but, it made sense for the fight to be short, that way the next time they meet they won't underestimate him like they did this time. also does anyone actually believe that if they hadn't underestimated him he could've won, cause i doubt it.

[WiseJoeyD]

Very poorly directed.

Along with the earlier badly directed/choreographed scene in the field as well as having charcters like Lois standing next to the Zod-ites after they hurl jonathan away makes it come off as a bloody student production!

ie: Actors unsure of how to use the space on the stage and the director just shouting "action".

The only scene that had real kinetic drive to it was the dolly(?! incorrect nomenclature?!) in on Lex as the Zod-ites speed off; brilliant. Similarly the scne with Chloe freezing to death (though doing 'camera shake' isn't exactly a hard way to liven up a scene!)

[SupermansNotDead]

Not only did the "fight" between Zod's deciples and Clark suck, but the deciples had the classic villain syndrome of assuming that the foe has been killed instead of finishing Clark off for good. Lame, very Lame. But, all in all, not a bad start to the season considering other positives that happened.

[Aloof]

I think they were missing some scenes. The screencaps had a lot, and some stuff didn't air. Odd, huh? o.O;

[BuZzArD 8012]

I agree, the fight was pretty short. I wish the fight was more Clark and Jonathan in "Exile".

[shirkie]

What irked me was that it just wasn't dramatic at all... It felt like it was pointless for those two to even be there.

I guess I'm spoiled by the great Kryptonians vs. Clark/Kal-El/Superman battles in the "Lord of the Flys" arc on "Lois & Clark." Now THERE were some great fights... The baddies used civilians as shields and whatnot and scared our Supes because he actually cares about humans... And good punching and fighting and throwing....... ooooo. This just felt so anticlimactic.
shirkie

[yanksfan4181]

They shoulda made it like the Family Guy chicken fight. ;)

[cmgames]

I wonder why they couldn't have done this eppy over 2 instead of 1. We get two Kryptonians on Smallville for the 1st time and they are dealt with just like that. No big deal those Kryptonians then eh? The other eppys must really be action packed and has no more fillers! <sniggers>

[bembol]

Originally posted by yanksfan4181
They shoulda made it like the Family Guy chicken fight. ;)

:D

I don't know if they can squeezed 15 minutes for the rest of the story...

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Somebody Stop Me
Alana De La Garza is fricking gorgeous.

That is so true . :D

[WiseJoeyD]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
I agree, the fight was pretty short. I wish the fight was more Clark and Jonathan in "Exile".

God! Now THAT was a fight!!

Someone mentioned they have a budget cut this series (due to witches not being everyone's cup of tea and thus they're reining in their spending apparently this series.....so no more

Lana: flavo Ramay Toru HAMMA!!!

[expensive CG swirls appear, adding nothing to the ridiculous scene]

In any case, they weren't hindered by budget, just bad directing. Too many scenes happened with the actors standing stock still or defying reality (Lana 'stumbling'....teach the girl how to act "broken legged"!) and just in all...boring!

[shirkie]

Wasn't Lana's whole leg coated in blood in "Commencement"? As if her femur had been shattered and unusable?

Of course, maybe it magically healed itself like her last broken leg.
shirkie

[WiseJoeyD]

Originally posted by shirkie
Wasn't Lana's whole leg coated in blood in "Commencement"? As if her femur had been shattered and unusable?

Of course, maybe it magically healed itself like her last broken leg.
shirkie

I can't remember, was that before she forgot to use her mad "Lana Fu" on a whole host of villians after learning it?!

[Somebody Stop Me]

Nit pickey Nit pickey good grief. There is only so much you can do in 40 minutes time and money. If you guys really want to nit pick then ask yourself this, why didn't the Kryptonians fly?

[shy175223]

Maybe because Clark is the only one ALLOWED to fly even though he can't for now.

[WiseJoeyD]

Hurrah! Welcome to the fold (with your well placed observation of earth-bound Kryptonians)!

I expect the show, in the WRITING stage when there isn't expensive CG to render, or flat fights to choreograph, for things like this to be addressed; lines of dialouge added to explain why they can't fly, or why Lana can run away on a broken leg.

It's not about the time and money on show (which was lower than previous years anyway...crash-zoooms against obvious blue screen being one...they could have kept the scene simpler with cut aways to actual on locations "gawping" by Tom or Allison) it's about the thought that goes into a story, or even how a scene should be played out.

Aside from the action scenes though, it played well...they jsut need to tell the actors to move more!

[Jellie]

The fight sucked.

It was nothing, it was clark holding on then bang the sexy kryptonian (the girl not the guy) was in the pz, then the big dumbie gets chucked in. I must say i loved the bit that copied superman 2 though. That was very nice

[Krytenkid]

Clark prefers peace over fighting, I like that he used brains over brawn.

[Jellie]

yeah Clark is defo not quite the BDA when compared to those 2 guys

[IluvTom]

The fight scene could of been better, the spoilers made it sound much more exiting. Still loved the epp.

[shirkie]

But Clark didn't even DO anything except flick them into the Phantom Zone. And I do agree that those were the LAMEST villians ever when it came to dispatching Clark... It was like Dr. Evil, leaving him in a situation he could easily escape from and turning their back while assuming he dies... Hell, female soap opera characters show more spunk when they slap people and sob about betrayal.
shirkie

[Doright]

I think the short fight served the series more than a knock down drag out fistfight would have.

Because Clark was able to easily trick them into the phantom zone he is now under the assumtion that Jor-El's warnings of doom were over rated and now totally over with. This will cause him to willingly embrace his lack of power believing everything is ok and never see the real threat that was in the ship all along.

The Two Kryptonians were nothing but thugs meant to distract people from the real threat. I wonder if they were even real or were they something Braniac created.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Great theory Doright! Hey man you might wanna delete 2 of your post.

[shirkie]

Wow, that was a good post (even if you did stick it up there three times). :) I also LOVE your icon, Doright.

I just... OK........... If Brainiac is this fearsome threat and super-intelligent and all of this, why not make it a little harder on Clark? I dunno........ It just.... Gah.

I guess it just felt RUSHED and OVER too quickly... Maybe they should have made it a 90-minute premiere? I mean, these badass kryptonians come out of the ship and eyejaculate all over police officers and destroy the hospital and attack people and then... They're just flicked into the Phantom Zone. All buildup and then they just... are gone.

Yea, I understand Brainiac is the real threat and everything, but a being as smart as Brainiac would surely create two "illusions" that would wreak a little more havoc on earth first...?
shirkie

[SupermansNotDead]

Originally posted by Doright
I think the short fight served the series more than a knock down drag out fistfight would have.

Because Clark was able to easily trick them into the phantom zone he is now under the assumtion that Jor-El's warnings of doom were over rated and now totally over with. This will cause him to willingly embrace his lack of power believing everything is ok and never see the real threat that was in the ship all along.

The Two Kryptonians were nothing but thugs meant to distract people from the real threat. I wonder if they were even real or were they something Braniac created.

This post made the first episode a lot better and made me even more excited for the rest of this seaon. I hope your theory turns otu to be right.

[cmgames]

I think having those Kryptonians be defeated so easily make Braniac seem weak indeed. The Teagues were supposed to be a match for the Luthors and they went out with a whimper. These Kryptonians proved to be no harder to deal with than any FOW albeit using somewhat different methods. If Clark can sort these people out so easily when they are on his level what chance has Braniac when he finally reveals himself?

[Wally_West]

Originally posted by Aloof
I think they were missing some scenes. The screencaps had a lot, and some stuff didn't air. Odd, huh? o.O;

Thats what happens when you have 30mins of commercials and 30mins of an actual show....

[Somebody Stop Me]

42 minutes of actual show to be precise.

[Hendo]

yea I was pretty disappointed in it too :[ There has to be at least one really awsome fight this season! please?! Hopefully, the fight with aqua will do it given the nature of their fight. That or maybe when Zod finally shows up they'll have a good fight granted I picture it ending with kryptonite. My true wish tho is that in the final season (hopefully in 7) Clark will get to meet Darkseid >:D Granted I know this will sadly never happen ;; A fight of that scale is almost too big for even a movie :[

[4EverSmallville]

I was disappointed in this scene :lol:. I wasn't expecting Clark to do backflips :p, but all he did was push them. I wanted to at least see how he escaped being pulled into the phantom zone, did he fly out? Did he pull himself out?

[shirkie]

Power pinky, or whatever finger that was that saved him. I don't even want to know how his... fingers... are so strong... <Naughty Clex thoughts>
shirkie

[Doright]

Great theory Doright! Hey man you might wanna delete 2 of your post.

Thanks!

And got 'em. Must have spazzed on the post button.

[Tacosupes]

Oh Yeah LAna andPete , youre right thats not Gunn. I just havent watch angel in years, my mistake. Namek is actually the Band geek leader from drumline. Thats why he looked familiar. Nick Cannon shouldve busted into the med center and backslapped him with some green k.

[Bumperjeep]

The Fight was the worst Fight Ever on Smallville. The Family Guy Fight Between Peter and Chicken was better :) The fight brought an amazing episode to just a great episode. Still, its better than most SV epsiodes only becasue of its plot!

[Switchback]

Remember back in the earlier part of the year....one of the lead stuntmen for Smallville was severely injured while filming a scene. Maybe they had to work around him being absent or what not.

The thing alot of you are overlooking about the fight scene though: Clark did do something he hasn't ever done before. It wasn't what was in the spoilers but he did superspeed himself forward while he was holding onto the rebar. We recorded it on our DVR and have watched it a few times. I didn't catch it when I first watched it Thursday but after watching again I heard the noise they do when he super speed runs. So in other words....while he was holding on horizontal, he super speeded himself forward and was able to beat both Kryptonians. And you must remember also...he only spent a minute or two "learning" at the FOS so he didn't have a long time to learn anything much.

I'm new to the board...I have seen a lot of you calling Lana as "clana" and was wondering why. Is that some inside joke or what?

[Jellie]

clana is what you call the clark/lana relationship.

[smallvillerox05]

There's also Clois, Chlark, Clex, Plex, Plana, Lexana, Clexana, Chlex, Chlete, Chlois, Jasana, Whitana, and the list goes on...

[Jellie]

Yeah its such one great big annoyance imo

[AnimeJoe]

Lex and Clark = Clex
Chloe and Lark = Chlark
Clark and Pete = Clete OR Park ;)
Clark and Lois = Chlois


Oops, too late, lol..

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by AnimeJoe

Clark and Lois = Chlois




It's Clois not chlois

Chlois is Chloe & Lois .

anyways back on topic.

That fight sucked, It should have been more action and less talking. I mean come on Kal-EL vs. Clark in "Cursade" was better than what we got in "Arrival" .

[shirkie]

I'm still trying to figure out why they would just turn their back on him. And how the Phantom Zone knew to close after the two Zodsciples got sucked in, cause I didn't see Clark turn it off or whatever. And what happens to people in there, anyways? I never saw Superman II, so I don't know how Zod and his lackeys escaped their Flying Pane 'O' Glass-- er, The Phantom Zone.
shirkie

[Admiral_N8]

Originally posted by shirkie
I'm still trying to figure out why they would just turn their back on him. And how the Phantom Zone knew to close after the two Zodsciples got sucked in, cause I didn't see Clark turn it off or whatever. And what happens to people in there, anyways? I never saw Superman II, so I don't know how Zod and his lackeys escaped their Flying Pane 'O' Glass-- er, The Phantom Zone.
shirkie

If I recall correctly Zod and co. got free because a nuclear shockwave hit their glass prison thing. I am pretty sure thats how. [was that the one where there was a nuke on the eiffel tower? and Superman threw it into space?]

[shirkie]

So wait, the Phantom Zone is this place that traps people for all eternity, but it can be broken with a nuke? Eep. Yeah, I only saw the first Supes movie, so I don't know what happened. You would think it would be more durable though.
shirkie

[Admiral_N8]

Originally posted by shirkie
So wait, the Phantom Zone is this place that traps people for all eternity, but it can be broken with a nuke? Eep. Yeah, I only saw the first Supes movie, so I don't know what happened. You would think it would be more durable though.
shirkie


Well I dont even think the nuke actually blew up right by it....just some "wave" from the blast that hit it. But nuclear blasts can cause some weird elelectric/magnetic stuff....and maybe in space even more so.

[Shadow09]

I think calling it a "fight" is an understatement... more like kids pushing and shoving over a toy truck or a tug-of-war over a toy
very lame and more a waste of time that could have been used in another episode

[loisandclarkfan2005]

I thought the fight sence was way to short too. I was hoping for a longer fight. It was a good season premier

[SVSpector]

Clark did learn his first lesson from Jor'El......the more powerful your foe....the quicker you must defeat them. The battle would've been fun to watch, but without element of surprise, Clark was out gunned so to speak.

He used his brain to trick them into thinking he was about to be sucked in.....however.....being "super" I guess they forgot he could hold the one finger pose forever basically. The bar would have given way before Clark's grip without Kryptonite being involved.

[commencement_rox]

yea the fight sucked but the PZ was cool and i dont think that zod has come yet. i think that he will come later in the season like maybe in the finale

[sstray72]

Originally posted by shirkie
I'm still trying to figure out why they would just turn their back on him.

They turned their backs on him because it's written in the evil villain handbook to assume that your efforts were successful in the demise of the good guy. Usually they stop paying attention as they monologue their nefarious plot, but since Nam-Ek already did the monologue, all they needed to do was wait for Clark to meet his demise, but not to watch it actually happen.

Hope that cleared that up for ya. :D

I was disappointed that they didnt do the Choke-n-toss on Clark. They did it to everyone else! :(

[warriorrenegade]

The fight sucked yes"big time". I think thats the whole point, Clark is supposed to think the real threat is over, therefore lowering his guard.

Jor-EL did him a favor by stripping his powers so Clark believes " now I can be normal" and puts Jor-EL behind him and starts his new life.

The guy in the ship im betting has other plans. Hes the threat for those who have read the spoilers knows what he has planned though not in detail but we've gotten the jist of it.

Anyways thats my thinking on the whole fight not being as good and anticiapated.

[02 kal-el]

hey didnt the original spoilers said that clark and the guy was both going to shoot heat vision and the guy throwing somthing to clark but then it said it misses i think im not sure

[Nogster]

Anyone else think when Clark was holding on with one finger, that he was flipping them the bird? If they weren't from Krypton they woulda recognized the gesture for what it was and finished him.

[TKFlash]

The fight was like the worst Smallville fight ever; but they still wouldn't have been as strong as Clark cause they just got to earth and haven't absorbed enough solar energy to rival him. I don't even know how they used heat vision.

[RedQ]

Originally posted by Shadow09
I think calling it a "fight" is an understatement... more like kids pushing and shoving over a toy truck or a tug-of-war over a toy
very lame and more a waste of time that could have been used in another episode The other guy could be mor muscular buffed like Michael Clarke Duncanhttp://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif
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