Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince(speculation & spoilerish)

[zhuuka]

Originally posted by Kel-El
When I read the 5th book, I was stuck in my room for 2 days. I was just too excited to sleep, too excited to eat, and I just HAD to keep reading. With the 6th book, I didn't really get that excitement. Until, I think, Chapter 24. Then it started to feel just like the other books. Personally, I kinda wish this book was called Draco Malfoy and the Half-Blood Prince, and I wish the book could've been more about Draco. Because his storyline was interesting. Year 6 was actually Harry's most normal year at Hogwarts.


Exactly. Draco had quite a story to tell but he was barely in the book. Just mere mentionings of Harry being obsessed with him that year. Not to mention Crabbe and Goyle continueously changing into girls. :rotfl:

[Hartski]

I think the main purpose of book 6 is to delve a bit deeper into the backstory, and pretty much set up the grand finale in the next book.

[atrufan14]

Originally posted by Hartski
I think the main purpose of book 6 is to delve a bit deeper into the backstory, and pretty much set up the grand finale in the next book.

i agree, but this just means that book 7 is gonna be mega thick. i'm not complaining though - more to read! yay :D

[~..::NeonBunny::..~]

Originally posted by Summers

My father was disappointed in this book because of:
-how badly she wrote it. He thought she didnt write as well as she did before
-she took Harry down couple of notches to the extent it made him do the most stupidest things
-a lot of shippness

He said it help transitioned to the last book, and he loved Tom Riddle history. However, he thought a person could kinda skipped HBP of the series and really not miss a whole lot of stuff.

I kinda totally agree with your dad, aswell. ^-^ Luv'd the Riddle history and Horcrux info, but those three main things definetely bugged me while reading HBP.
~Yeah, her writing, (mostly her wording, for me) didn't always feel at it's best. All that, "He, Harry" drove me nutZ after awhile. @.@
~I also thought Harry acted extremly stupid in the Malfoy-train-invisible scene. But he acts stupid alot, sometimes... soooo, I might just let that one slide as Harry being in character. lol
~The shippness was bound to happen, them growing up and all, but I agree, it was another example of JKR not writing at her best IMO. Alot of the relationship situations just came off weird to me. *Cough*Won-Won&Lav-Lav*Cough*

All in all, though it's still a very good read and I think it's my fav HP book right now, it being new and all... ^_^

[Hartski]

Originally posted by atrufan14
i agree, but this just means that book 7 is gonna be mega thick. i'm not complaining though - more to read! yay :D

I'll be super-dissappointed if book 7 is under 900 pages.:(

[homosuperior]

I'm about 200 pages in after buying it at the airport before going on hols and enjoying it more than I thought. Perhaps because of the resonance - it describes London post the 7/7 attacks to a tee. Has she been taking divination lessons?

It does read too much like a computer game, and all the adolescent romance stuff is a bit dull (and I'm sure if I was 10 I'd be vomming left right and centre...kissing is disgusting and silly as far as most kids are concerned). I do like the fact it's out of the cosy territory mind you. It's not brilliantly written and doesn't hold a candle to Phillip Pullman, but still....a good holiday read.

Someone spoiled me about the ending, but it's not really affecting my enjoyment. I'm just turning my brain off and having fun :)

[atrufan14]

you read Phillip Pullman too?
he's an awesome author but i wouldn't say he's better than JK Rowling.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by Hartski
I think the main purpose of book 6 is to delve a bit deeper into the backstory, and pretty much set up the grand finale in the next book.


You're absolutely right, she had a lot of backstory to tell and she had to inform Harry of a lot so that he could have all the information he needs to conquer Voldemort, which I hope he does in book 7. My husband said that he thought it wasn't as fun as the other books but it's just a set up for book 7 and the battles to be fought later. I love the book and think the back ground story is interesting.
I wasn't disappointed at all. I am already waiting somewhat patiently for the last installment!

[Hartski]

The patient waiting for book 7 will last for another year or so.

Then everyone will be all anxious and twitchy, waiting for the last year.

[atrufan14]

book 7 is the last book!
isn't it? :\

[Daphne]

Yes. Sadly that's true.
Should be an all out slugfest too. :)

[SheBangs]

Ok I just got something from mugglenet that is really mean, but very funny. Or at least to me it is. Here's the link to it. If you have the same sense of humor I do you will laugh your a** off. If you dont then well I still laughed at it. I have to warn you though if you have not read HBP and don't want to be spoiled I would'nt watch it.

http://gprime.net/video.php/pottercrash
There is some PG language BTW

[homosuperior]

Originally posted by atrufan14
you read Phillip Pullman too?
he's an awesome author but i wouldn't say he's better than JK Rowling.

For me, Rowling's an excellent pastiche artist/computer game writer (there's one particuarly computer gamey bit where Dumbledore tells Harry that a snippet of info about Voldemort is something he'll have to remember later, which is exactly the same sort of thing the guide-type people in multi level games say). None of the characters are in themselves particularly original (eg that guy that sells knocked off wizard stuff, can't remember his name, he's copied off of a Terry Pratchett character, while Slughorn is just Uncle Monty from Withnail and I in a pointy hat...he even says to Harry "I must have you". Though he omits the "even if it must be burglary" that monty favoured). What makes it fun to read is wondering what she'll do with the formula she's created. This book plays with it more than the others, as it skips things like the sorting hat and makes the comforting rituals less comfortable.

Pullman starts off on dangerous territory and gets no safer. I thought the third book was too heavy on the splainy (if I want to read theology then I shall, pal) but the character of Lyra is genius. Book one (Northern Lights) was excellent, one of the best kids books I've read (have read a shameful number recently, with the excuse that it's part of my job...honest) in a very long time.

Part of the pleasure of reading potter is knowing that everyone else is too...it's got that Big Brother water cooler hysteria surrounding it, you have everyone else's enthusiasm buoying you up. Another part is the nostalgia side of things, for a world that probably never existed and yet resonates - the billy bunter world of tuck shops and simple friendships, though this book's undoing that somewhat...however, the pleasure of a formula broken is still a rational kinda pleasure. Not rational perhaps, I think I mean rule-based.

Perhaps with Harry himself I never feel there's any real risk. Even if she kills him in the final book - and I wouldn't put that out of the realm of possibility - the feeling I get is like Andrew's voiceover about Buffy in the season 7 ep Storyteller: Potter knows his side will always win in the end. Or rather, we know he's always on the right side, and any foray he makes into evil is just a feint. Compare to Frodo, who totally goes evil in the end (I refuse to put spoiler tags about a book that's been out for at least 50 years!) and only succeeds because of the side kick.

Unles...perhaps I'll be completely wrong. Perhaps it won't be Potter who saves the day in the end. Now that would be interesting. I would give JKR such massive kudos if it was Ginny Weasely who does the saving in the end. Or even Ron or Hermione. None of this predeterminist messianic stuff...if she gave us something unexpected I'd have to revise my views on the main plot of the past books (though not on the side characters, who all feel borrowed, nor on the wizard school setup...hello, Wizard of Earthsea? Nor on the writing itself, which is a little tame).

Still enjoying this book, though the snogging is getting increasingly wearisome. Perhaps I'd enjoy it more if I was 13, but I'm pretty sure I'd hate it if I was under 12 or (which I am) over 14). It's becoming a soap opera (I have the OC for that!).

[~..::NeonBunny::..~]

Originally posted by SheBangs

Ok I just got something from mugglenet that is really mean, but very funny. Or at least to me it is. Here's the link to it. If you have the same sense of humor I do you will laugh your a** off. If you dont then well I still laughed at it. I have to warn you though if you have not read HBP and don't want to be spoiled I would'nt watch it.

http://gprime.net/video.php/pottercrash
There is some PG language BTW

The person at the very end is what got me laughing. lol My sense of humor/personality is slightly on the evil side, aswell. XD

Too bad about blowing the ending for those ppls, though. http://www.anikaos.com/0000-pika/kaos-pika26.gif

[Daphne]

I actually had the ending spoiled to me too, and even though it happened I loved the book........

Here's a funny site if you have already read the book and know the big spoiler!
http://hankspotter.ytmnd.com/

[Kel-El]

Here's a great t-shirt if you know the spoiler.

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=510

[slayer]

:lol: :rotfl: :lol: cast away starring distraught tom hanks and the half blood prince :lol: I like the shirt :D

[tomismysuperman]

Originally posted by Kel-El
Here's a great t-shirt if you know the spoiler.

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=510

:lol: :rotfl: That is a totally kick-ass shirt.

Someone spoiled the ending for me too. :lol: But it wasn't as funny as this guy. :rotfl:

[angelfire east]

I just read the whole 6th book:) It only took about a week, about the same time as it took me to read the 5 book.

I really liked HBP, I think I might even like it a tiny bit more then the last book. With the GOF and OOP I found myself at times not as excited to read it, a lull in the story, not saying I didn't enjoy the book, because I did, a lot. But with HBP I didn't have that problem, I couldn't stop reading it, no lulls in the story. I cried with that person died, and cried when reading about the funeral.

So in short I loved the 6th book.

How much spoilers in the book are we allowed to talk about. Can I talk about the characters and who dates who and such like that. About my feeling about Drako Malfoy and the things happening with him. And most of all what I think might happen after that spoiler?

[MBCorp]

Becki, this thread is for talking about spoilers. So you can post as many spoilers as you want in this thread.:) I'd be interested in reading your views about HBP.

[angelfire east]

o.k good.:D

At first I couldn't believe Malfoy was so evil, I mean I knew he wasn't a nice person or really a good person. But murder is not something I really though he'd be (till he was older). I still think of him as a kid (because he's younger then me). But after the final scene with Dumbledore and the scenes with him crying I felt sorry for him and liked him a bit more.

With Snape, I'm still unsure who side he's on.I know he killed Dumbledore but something about the way he acted afterwards made me think he just might still be on the side of good. I don't know, but I can't wait till the next book to find out.

At times when reading this book I wanted slap Harry for being so stupid! I really couldn't believe he trusted and used that potions book after everything that happen in the second book. That he would just blindly turst what was written in the book and I'm gald it ended up back fireing on him with he was figthing with Malfoy.

I'm gald Harry and Ginny got together but I wish I would have gotten to see more of it, we more got a summery of what happened between them then anything else after the point they kiss.

I'm gald that Ron and Hermione might get themselves together and start dating. I wish they would date, the fighting and such they did most the book wasn't very fun. I like them as friends bettter then them not specking to one another.

A few things I wanted to see more of was the affects of Black's death on Harry, it didn't really seem to change him much. Also I would have liked to have seem more of Neville, we got a lot of back story with him in the last book which I liked.

I cried when Dumbledore died and at his funeral. I knew before reading the book that he was going to die because I read the first line on this stupid side bar in EW about whether or not Snape was good or evil. :mad: I was so angry with myself for ruining it for myself. I was so careful up in till that point of not reading or watching anything Harry Book. Well for the next book I'm reading nothing at all, even if I'm told it's spoiler free.I'll most likely again with the next book have to wait till the liburay gets the book (I'm always second or thrid on the waiting list for it) so I'll have to work exact hard to bot be spoiled.

But to the story: I felt so bad for Harry when he had to make Dumbledore drink that potion. All I could see in my mind when I was reading about those bodys in the water was Lord of the Rings.

it's so sad to think of Dumbledore being gone and I can't help be think who will fill his role? Who will be the leader of the Order, who will help Harry in the same way as Dumbledore did. And such things as that.

Well that's all for now, it's late I'm going to read the book over again since I still have about two weeks before I have to give it back

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Originally posted by homosuperior
Perhaps with Harry himself I never feel there's any real risk. Even if she kills him in the final book - and I wouldn't put that out of the realm of possibility - the feeling I get is like Andrew's voiceover about Buffy in the season 7 ep Storyteller: Potter knows his side will always win in the end.
What was it Lex said? "It's not about the ending, it's about the journey." :) I always see Harry in, er, hairy situations. Plenty of risk. What gets him out? Luck. Talent. Those little tidbits of information he picks up along the way (that you attribute to being computer game-like qualities)...And J.K. Rowling has always said she believes in luck, not fate or destiny. That clearly shows in her writing, especially in the most recent book (i.e., we discovered that prophecies do not always come to pass, they must be put into motion...).


Originally posted by homosuperior
Unles...perhaps I'll be completely wrong. Perhaps it won't be Potter who saves the day in the end. Now that would be interesting. I would give JKR such massive kudos if it was Ginny Weasely who does the saving in the end. Or even Ron or Hermione. None of this predeterminist messianic stuff...
J.K. calls Harry the hero of the story. What kind of hero would he be if someone else did the job he was now forced to complete by the prophecy Lord Voldemort put into motion? Reading into the prophecy, there's even a possibility that only Harry can kill Lord Voldemort and VICE VERSA. But I'm not sure about that...
On your last statement, I have to express the fact that the knowledge of what to come is one of the things I enjoy most in the Harry Potter series...as mentioned earlier in this thread, J.K. Rowling plants so many little clues and references in the books that turn into things so much bigger later on. You can call it great continuity, predetermination, or whatever...but all I know is it's what makes me LOVE the books. Guesswork, prophecies, luck, mystery, suspense, big thrills, great fun, snippy & brillaint dialogue, lovable characters, awesome locations, events, etc....all makes for a very great story in my opinion.


Originally posted by homosuperior
Still enjoying this book, though the snogging is getting increasingly wearisome. Perhaps I'd enjoy it more if I was 13, but I'm pretty sure I'd hate it if I was under 12 or (which I am) over 14). It's becoming a soap opera (I have the OC for that!).
So, uh, only 13-year-olds like snogging? ;) Have you ever seen a soap opera? Be thankful, if not. You wouldn't like it. The romantic woes of Potter & co. are nothing compared to the stuff they jam in every episode of any given soap.

Lastly, you mentioned a few other authors...yes, they've written fantasy novels as well, some of them similarly themed to J.K.'s work (and any other of hundreds of other fantasy authors)--obviously not anywhere near the point where J.K. could be accused of stealing a universe, character, or whatever. Maybe this is where the clear distinction between high fantasy (such as ...Earthsea) and low fantasy (Harry Potter) comes into play. You see, in creating a world around this world and writing it in the clever way she does, J.K. Rowling has written a series of novels that is capable of appealing to so many different people of so many different ages and interests in so many different ways...

I think what a lot of people like about Harry Potter is that the characters seem real, the places feel real, nothing seems odd yet at the same time everything is very extraordinary...versus (FOR ME, anyways) stories like The Lord of Rings, which can read too detatched or mystical to feel real (to clarify again...I'm speaking from my own perspective), even if the writing may be good. I've always loved literature...but I've always seperated literature I read into one of two categories: stories that feel alive and stories that feel as if you're reading them from outside the book they're enclosed in. Does that make any sense? Take Harry Potter: I find it very easy to make the world come alive while I'm reading it, I can cry with and for the characters...it's like being at a play. As for Lord of the Rings, I feel like I'm looking at the pages, I can see the world and it's beautiful, but it's just a picture I'm looking at. They say pictures say a thousand words, but maybe that's not enough for a story.

ETA: I want to throw in an apology to anyone who loves Lord of the Rings. I'm not bashing it, I just needed a personal example.

[homosuperior]

Just for the record, I did really enjoy this book. The others I read for job reasons, but this one was a pleasure. Liked the 3rd one too. I’m just hyper critical because I care very much about children’s literature, and I don’t want the next lot of readers growing up not being able to tell the difference between the good, meaty gritty stuff and by the book genre fiction.

QUOTE]Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
What was it Lex said? "It's not about the ending, it's about the journey." :) I always see Harry in, er, hairy situations. Plenty of risk. [/quote]


I think what I'm measuring Potter up to here is Melvin Burgess (My life as a *****, Bloodtide, Junk) who’s more of a teenage author, so perhaps not a fair comparison…no, actually, this goes for Pullman too…the sense of safety in Potter comes in the way the journey itself plays out. I think it’s the tone of the writing, the conversations of the characters, the jolly hockey sticks-ness of it all. I’m not saying I want Harry to call Hermione a f**king *****, but there’s something very polite about it all that doesn’t capture the sense of looming threat as well as I’d like.

I remember reading a book as a kid (forget title and author I’m afraid) about some children getting trapped on a spaceship that’s being captained by a dying man with radiation poisoning. He snuffs it and they’re left to fend for themselves. That’s not particularly relevant, but anyway….the way the characters interact and the way that power relationships are built up, when I compare that to Potter, Potter feels like pantomime – Malfoy/bad faith, Crabbe and Goyle are panto villains. Though, towards the end of the recent book, Malfoy gets a lot more interesting. In fact, this whole book takes Potter further away from the safe shores, so some of what I was saying before is more about those ones. Going the starwars route and plotting the decline and fall of Tom Riddle, while a bit too flashbacky for my liking, does a bit more to shake things up. But the fact that Dumbledore guides us through that journey makes me feel the author’s holding my hand too much – and I think I still would’ve felt that as a child. To use the LOTR example (and I’ll come back to high and low fantasy later), with that you don’t have that kind of narrative guide. There’s Gandalf, but he buggers off sharpish, and Frodo and Sam are alone with the reader, with only Gollum as ‘splainyman. There’s that feeling of being adrift in a dark story (and Frodo and Sam talk about it as a story) where no one’s showing them the way.

I’ll be very interested to read the next book now that Dumbledore’s out of the picture and there’s no one to explain good and evil to us. In fact, unless Snape’s really evil, in which case I’m writing to my MP, I have a good feeling about the next book generally, in terms of the moral landscape.




What gets him out? Luck. Talent. Those little tidbits of information he picks up along the way (that you attribute to being computer game-like qualities)...And J.K. Rowling has always said she believes in luck, not fate or destiny. That clearly shows in her writing, especially in the most recent book (i.e., we discovered that prophecies do not always come to pass, they must be put into motion...).[/.quote]

Yes, I agree. Prophecies not coming true is the norm now, what with Buffy and Angel, and I think Rowling’s captured the zeitgeist. She’s like the Faith Popcorn of kid’s books (and, actually, has rather a scary predictive ability…the descriptions of London under a Voldemort threat predict the situation here with the terrorist dark cloud rather well). I do like that side of her writing, and prophecies bore me to tears, so I’m glad she’s not setting any store by those.




J.K. calls Harry the hero of the story. What kind of hero would he be if someone else did the job he was now forced to complete by the prophecy Lord Voldemort put into motion? Reading into the prophecy, there's even a possibility that only Harry can kill Lord Voldemort and VICE VERSA. But I'm not sure about that...

I think all bets are off about the prophecy, yes. You can bend those babies and read them any way. What authors say about their books and what they write in them doesn’t always tally. I’d just love to see a book that builds up a character as the chosen one, the special kid, but then someone else saves the day – that would prove more than anything that luck and chance and free will are at the heart of things. Go Ginny!




On your last statement, I have to express the fact that the knowledge of what to come is one of the things I enjoy most in the Harry Potter series...as mentioned earlier in this thread, J.K. Rowling plants so many little clues and references in the books that turn into things so much bigger later on.

I do enjoy clues…but I wish they weren’t flagged up so obviously. I remember reading a lot of miss marple as a kid, and the clues were always there…but they were there in human nature, in the way people behave, rather than with Dumbledore saying “you’ll need to remember this later”. Then again, I might not’ve noticed each seed planting ceremony as a kid, so I’m being over fussy here. But, as a child or as an adult, I’ve always loved stories that develop organically and there’s a sense that plot isn’t a skeleton over which character and personality is draped, but instead, the whole organism works together.

I’m also comparing it to Buffy here, which plants things and comes back to them in the same dog with a bone style, but I don’t get the same sense of a planting ceremony. It’s about echoes and themes as well as “ooh look so and so’s being sneaky…and we’ll find out why later!”. EG Faith’s dream in season 3 prefiguring Dawn’s arrival…you think it’s just dream nonsense, perhaps, and forget about it..then two seasons later, little sis does arrive. Then again, I’ve only read all the Potter books once, so I may well be missing details of that sort.

I think I just don’t find the characters endearing enough. I do love Ron, but Harry, not so much. Can’t say why really, perhaps he’s got that Clark Kentish black and white vision sometimes? Like, I wanted a teensy bit more remorse when he nearly killed Malfoy. Part of my annoyance lies in making Malfoy so simply eevil (until the end of this book or so) that Potter can’t be blamed for just hating him. I’d like there to be more tension there. Possibly taking out my frustration at the way Clark and Lex are written on Polfoy here ;)



You can call it great continuity, predetermination, or whatever...but all I know is it's what makes me LOVE the books. Guesswork, prophecies, luck, mystery, suspense, big thrills, great fun, snippy & brillaint dialogue, lovable characters, awesome locations, events, etc....all makes for a very great story in my opinion.

I do enjoy reading them (though I don’t like the dialogue that much…again, comparing it to Buffy, it doesn’t hold up) and do discuss them with my friends (which, apart from my colleagues, I wouldn’t normally do with a kids book). But maybe I’m just a media ho, I’m discussing it because everyone else is? Hard to say where the appeal starts and stops, whether I’m excited about Potter because the excitement’s in the air, or because it’s in the books. I just feel compelled to flay them alive because they’re not as good as other books (imo) that get less attention. Protecting the literary underdog, can’t resist it – whether it’s characters or books. Not that Pullman really needs protecting, but it’s a comparative thing.




So, uh, only 13-year-olds like snogging? ;) Have you ever seen a soap opera? Be thankful, if not. You wouldn't like it. The romantic woes of Potter & co. are nothing compared to the stuff they jam in every episode of any given soap.

Oh, love snogging…just don’t want to watch 14 year olds doing it! But, from a child’s perspective, snogging is just not cool. Boys smell and have cooties, girls are weird etc. It’s a tricky one, though, writing about teenage characters for an audience of 8-11 year olds. Obviously teenagers get it on, so I spose it’s just finding ways of putting that across without losing the attention of the anti-snogging kids. I think it’s partly a stylistic thing for me – that bit about “giving a very non verbal goodbye”, somehow feels too graphic. I’m really sensing the tongues there.

Maybe I was just a very prudish kid!



Lastly, you mentioned a few other authors...yes, they've written fantasy novels as well, some of them similarly themed to J.K.'s work (and any other of hundreds of other fantasy authors)--obviously not anywhere near the point where J.K. could be accused of stealing a universe, character, or whatever. Maybe this is where the clear distinction between high fantasy (such as ...Earthsea) and low fantasy (Harry Potter) comes into play. You see, in creating a world around this world and writing it in the clever way she does, J.K. Rowling has written a series of novels that is capable of appealing to so many different people of so many different ages and interests in so many different ways...

I think what a lot of people like about Harry Potter is that the characters seem real, the places feel real, nothing seems odd yet at the same time everything is very extraordinary...versus (FOR ME, anyways) stories like The Lord of Rings, which can read too detatched or mystical to feel real (to clarify again...I'm speaking from my own perspective), even if the writing may be good.

I definitely like the real-world feel – I’ve always loved real-world fantasies. Neil Gaiman’s great at this, loved the Books of Magic (which, talking of borrowings…ahem, check out the kid, compare to Potter…Gaiman, why aren’t you suing?) because they have a gritty urban flavour while dealing in strange magic stuff. John Christopher was also excellent at real world fantasy – though in a post-apocalyptic reality, it was always definitely our world, with real people and real pains. Potter feels more distant to me, because it’s got that Billy Bunter tea and crumpets feel (though, loses that a bit in this book). Coming back to the sense of safety, I get that from the rituals of the books – arrival at Hogwarts, sorting hat etc – and the containment of the magic (say a word, the spell comes, there’s no consequences afterwards). It’s all very rational and logical, and I think I’d prefer more genuine mystery and strangeness, more to get lost in rather than always knowing where you are and who you’re with (the good guys!). I sometimes feel like the Potter books are just a few steps away from touching something real and powerful.

That said, I did cry when Dumbledore died…but then again, I cry at the OC, so I won’t let my tear ducts be a judge of merit.




I've always loved literature...but I've always seperated literature I read into one of two categories: stories that feel alive and stories that feel as if you're reading them from outside the book they're enclosed in. Does that make any sense? Take Harry Potter: I find it very easy to make the world come alive while I'm reading it, I can cry with and for the characters...it's like being at a play. As for Lord of the Rings, I feel like I'm looking at the pages, I can see the world and it's beautiful, but it's just a picture I'm looking at. They say pictures say a thousand words, but maybe that's not enough for a story.
ETA: I want to throw in an apology to anyone who loves Lord of the Rings. I'm not bashing it, I just needed a personal example.

I definitely agree with the inside/outside distinction, so I suppose it’s just a question of personal wiring. I loved LOTR as well as a kid, but I loved it because it never did feel that distant. I felt very much inside the world, like it was somewhere I could explore (and I often found myself mapping it onto childhood haunts, you know, that patch of grass in the park is hobbiton, lothlorien’s over there, the crunchy melted tarmac of the playground is mordor). I wish I could read HP as a kid so I could compare. I do feel inside Potter when I’m reading it (um…you know what I mean) but I felt inside LOTR too. The hobbits were very realistic to me – I also loved WWI stories, and the trench warfare feel of the mordor passages depicted that really powerfully. I don’t usually like to read authors’ lives into their books, but the fact that nearly all of Tolkien’s mates died in the trenches, I can’t help feeling the power of that in the stories.

Back to my first point – I enjoy reading HP, and I’m so glad that they’re getting kids reading that wouldn’t otherwise. I just wish JK Rowling would…

a) get a decent editor…600 pages are not necessarily better than 300
b) offer more complex villains (more Malfoy and Harry interaction too, rather than Harry just stalking him from a distance, it’s much more fun when the bad guys and the good guys actually meet occasionally! Maybe that’s part of why I feel the whole thing’s safe – you never get bad guys turning up in surprising places or when you don’t expect it…like the middle of lessons or something. That’d be a great time for a sneak attack, Malfoy, they’d never expect it).
c) Make sure Snape’s not really evil because that would be lame lame lame (my English degree’s really showing its colours here…)
d) Push herself more. She has legions of adoring fans – a mandate from the people, like – so she could take more risks, bring in more genuinely surprising plots (stuff happening outside of Hogwarts/the burrow?)

Like you said about LOTR, I don’t want to bash it too much…It’s just because there’s so much great stuff out there for kids (I think the Just William stories are some of the best short stories in English) that I get intolerant of faults :)

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Originally posted by homosuperior
I just wish JK Rowling would…

a) get a decent editor…600 pages are not necessarily better than 300

That's actually kind of funny that you mention it. In case you didn't know, Harry Potter and the Philsopher's Stone was first published in June (?) 1997. She had started the planned seven-book series in 1990 (could have been prior, I know she started before December of 1990 because that's when her mother died). I'm not exactly sure when she completed the book, but part of the reason it took her so long was she was laying out the groundwork for future books (apparently she continued doing this while writing the next books, prior to writing book 6 she said the plots for the final two books in the series are very tightly planned) and even wrote the last chapter of the last book somewhere in this time (she has told us that the last word is 'scar' and that she will most likely end up editing the chapter).

Anyways, after getting immediately turned down by own agent, then taken up by Christopher Little, she spent about a year or so looking for a publisher, with a reported 9 rejections. Why was the story rejected? J.K. said the publishers told her the plot was too complicated and the story too long. J.K. says this discouraged her a bit because she knew Philosopher's Stone, at about 190 pages, would be the shortest in the seven-book series and the plot was by far the easiest to follow. Finally, Bloomsbury made an offer on Philsopher's Stone in August 1996.

And finishing that mini-biography...I have to add that the page-count isn't an editor problem (though I wouldn't consider it a problem, at all)...I think it's undeniable that J.K. can afford to have a considerable amount of discretion over how long her books are. I personally, love them long. On a more humorous note, J.K. has mentioned that her editors don't like the characters to swear badly (hence all the "Ron swore" things)...

Maybe more later...I have to go out for a little bit :)

[homosuperior]

I agree with the people who turned her down (though I'm glad someone accepted her in the end, warts and padding and all).

[ScrappyTheOwl]

LOL. I can guarantee you the people who turned J.K. Rowling down are kicking themselves in the asses right now. What they were looking for were very simplistic children's novels, as readable as the likes of Dr. Suess.

Philosopher's/Sorceror's Stone was so short, I really don't know how they said it was too long. I actually thought that book could have been longer...but I'm a sucker for length. I love 3 hour movies where other people can't stand one over 70 minutes, and I love 600+ page books where other people can't stand to read one over 100 pages. I always assumed they just had short attention spans, but I've been figuring out a lot of them only like to read the action (in Harry Potter, for example, events like the dementors in Little Whinging in Order of the Phoenix, the 'big' scenes at the end of the books, Quidditch, the Triwizard Tournament tasks, etc.) and they hate reading the parts the focus on character development, scene descriptions, etc. (J.K. mentioned that part of the reason Order... was so long was because Harry had to visit so many new places). It's kind of weird because the latter two things are, for me, what builds up to how I feel about the characters during the major events/action. I love details...especially when written cleverly.

Sorry if I'm going on about this, I'm just kind of blown about the fact that you don't like the length. Everytime I finish a book I just hope to myself that J.K. will keep thes series going forever...

[MBCorp]

Someone mentioned Pullman and compared him with Rowling. I actually agree that The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife are superior to the HP books. The world he creates, the characters, and the way that he writes are absolutely spellbinding. However, the big problem that I have with Pullman is that the message of the story started to get concentrated on more than the plot and the characters themselves. The Amber Spyglass was way too much theology and Church bashing. I wouldn't have minded it if it was subtle, but it was about as subtle as getting hit in the head with a brick. Pullman has critisized C.S. Lewis for the theological and allegorical nature of his work, but at least Lewis could harmonously meld both fantasy and allegory in a story without any pulpit pounding. The Amber Spyglass got a bit overly shrill at times in it's, "The Church is evil!" message.:p

[Grand_Sophy]

MBCorp, I agree with you on the Pullman books. His apparent antipathy towards the Christian (Catholic) church marred my enjoyment of the last book in his trilogy.

homosuperior, I agree with your points a) to d), although I don't think you have to worry too much about c). As has been pointed out, Rowling's clues are many and obvious, and how many times did she have Dumbledore say that he trusted Snape with his life? By corollary, he also trusted him with his death, so that Snape's overheard request earlier in the year to be released from his task, Dumbledore's pleading on the tower (implying he knows Snape doesn't want to do something that Dumbledore wants him to do), and Snape's consistent actions (ignoring his expression, his words, and Harry's opinions) at critical (i.e. life-threatening) times, all point to him being a true ally of Dumbledore and an enemy of Voldemort. We haven't seen as much of his background as of Tom Riddle's, more's the pity, but we've been given enough background in the last two books, through Harry's pensieve experience and Snape's written comments in his old potions notebook, to explain how Snape could behave the way he does without being completely evil.

Scrappy, I enjoyed your comments too. Literary discussions rock! (As my son might say, or maybe not).

[homosuperior]

MBCorp, I agree with you on the Pullman books. His apparent antipathy towards the Christian (Catholic) church marred my enjoyment of the last book in his trilogy.
I didn’t object to it because it was anti-church per se, but because it didn’t enmesh its ideology enough in story. It was too full of explanations and theories, when what I wanted was more Lyra and more human experience. However, the first book (and the second, though I wasn’t as into that one for some reason…still excellent though) drew me in like nobody’s business.
HP feels like eating sweeties – moreish but I feel a little bit sick and guilty if I have too much. It doesn’t ask hard questions, I find, I don’t get that “someone’s just turned me upside down” feeling I get with what I’d call good literature. Lots of fun though, and I can have very squealy conversations with my friends about it.


homosuperior, I agree with your points a) to d), although I don't think you have to worry too much about c). As has been pointed out, Rowling's clues are many and obvious, and how many times did she have Dumbledore say that he trusted Snape with his life? By corollary, he also trusted him with his death, so that Snape's overheard request earlier in the year to be released from his task, Dumbledore's pleading on the tower (implying he knows Snape doesn't want to do something that Dumbledore wants him to do), and Snape's consistent actions (ignoring his expression, his words, and Harry's opinions) at critical (i.e. life-threatening) times, all point to him being a true ally of Dumbledore and an enemy of Voldemort. We haven't seen as much of his background as of Tom Riddle's, more's the pity, but we've been given enough background in the last two books, through Harry's pensieve experience and Snape's written comments in his old potions notebook, to explain how Snape could behave the way he does without being completely evil.
I put my faith in what you say. Hurrah for Snape, nasty but nice really. Boo for Harry for jumping to Bo Kentish conclusions. She can’t possibly make him evil after all of that, can she? I wrote a potential ending to the next book the other day that proved his innocence (and added some Malfoy redemption in for good measure, not that I think that’ll necessarily happen).
That said, I’m a little bored by double bluffs…you start off thinking Snape’s evil, then he’s not…oops, then he is again…then he’s not. Changing sides more than once kinda waters things down for me (and makes me think Harry’s a prat).
I think I read HP in the same way I read (trashy sleb mag) Heat – it’s ok to do so cos everyone else is (ooh and they just announced Dr Who’s new costume in the latest issue of Heat).

[atrufan14]

i know that this is a long shot and probably not true, but here goes......... :(
i don't like the idea that Snape is evil and therefore don't believe it - i know that Snape hates Harry but he would probably die for him and do anything to protect Harry.
i think that Dumbledore said to Snape that the only way for Harry to kill Voldemort is for them to have a spy in his little gang:D . So if Snape kills D then he can get into V's inner circle of death eaters and therefore know his every move.
D has been through a lot in his life and is old and frail now, he thought t was time to go and die for the greater good so he left his memory of him and Snape talking (you know that meeting they had in the forest) bout dying in the pensive for Harry to see when he gets back to his senses.
probably not true - but it makes sense!
anyone else agree??

PS dumbedore can never be wrong so this makes sense seeing as he wasn't actually wrong about snape.

[Daphne]

Rowling's clues are many and obvious, and how many times did she have Dumbledore say that he trusted Snape with his life? By corollary, he also trusted him with his death, so that Snape's overheard request earlier in the year to be released from his task, Dumbledore's pleading on the tower (implying he knows Snape doesn't want to do something that Dumbledore wants him to do), and Snape's consistent actions (ignoring his expression, his words, and Harry's opinions) at critical (i.e. life-threatening) times, all point to him being a true ally of Dumbledore and an enemy of Voldemort.

My feelings exactly. Beautifully written.

[SheBangs]

Did anyone wish Harry was just a little more powerful in the 6th book. I mean I was expecting him to be training to get better at magic after he heard the prophecy. This was pretty much one of my only disappoints in the book. I am hoping in Book 7 that Harry tracking down the Horcrux's will make him more powerful.

ohh and I am little confused about somehting. I was re-reading HBP and at the very end Ron says "Were with you, Harry" then Harry says "What and Ron responds with "At you aunt and uncles house." Does this mean that Ron and Hermione are going to stay at the Dursleys with Harry? Ohh if this happens that will be great comedy. Can you imagine Ron and Dudley fighting over the bathroom:lol:

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Originally posted by SheBangs
Did anyone wish Harry was just a little more powerful in the 6th book. I mean I was expecting him to be training to get better at magic after he heard the prophecy. This was pretty much one of my only disappoints in the book. I am hoping in Book 7 that Harry tracking down the Horcrux's will make him more powerful.
I agree with that, pretty much. I was hoping he would learn more in this book...there were some things to hint he was getting more powerful: how we was able to perform Sectumsempra! perfectly without even knowing what it meant (not to mention Levicorpus! and other spells The Prince/Snape taught him through the book we don't know about it)...that seems to be a sign of power to me; and how he was able to Apparate himself and Dumbledore back to Hogsmeade after only completing Side-Along Apparatition and Apparating a few feet in the Great Hall.

I think the problem with Harry in this book was he didn't feel the need to learn a lot more. He obviously wasn't concerned with closing off his mind, or he would have had more success with nonverbal spells. I feel like he still relied too much on Dumbledore. In Order of the Phoenix, he felt like Dumbledore was not there for him, which attributed to why he learned so much for himself that year. But during the Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore pretty much walked Harry through everything until the end (and getting the memory from Slughorn, Felix handled that ;) ).

That is why I feel Dumbledore's death was so poignant and worth so much to the storyline of the 7th book...it's enabling Harry to finally gain all the power and skills he needs to defeat Voldemort--it gave him the drive to do it. I'm nearly positive Harry will become more powerful in the first half of the second book than in the last six books combined. There seems like so much he has to learn...


Originally posted by SheBangs
ohh and I am little confused about somehting. I was re-reading HBP and at the very end Ron says "Were with you, Harry" then Harry says "What and Ron responds with "At you aunt and uncles house." Does this mean that Ron and Hermione are going to stay at the Dursleys with Harry? Ohh if this happens that will be great comedy. Can you imagine Ron and Dudley fighting over the bathroom:lol:

I'm looking forward to this :) I bet Harry will only stay for a day or two, if that. It would be hilarious to see Ron and Hermione in the Dursleys' company for a while, for some reason I can picture them liking Hermione even if they hate themselves for it. Better yet, it would be hilarious if Dudley developed a case of love at first sight (aka a crush) for Hermione and Ron got insanely jealous (possibly to the point of trying to curse Dudley ... so many funny possibilities).

[SheBangs]

Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
I agree with that, pretty much. I was hoping he would learn more in this book...there were some things to hint he was getting more powerful: how we was able to perform Sectumsempra! perfectly without even knowing what it meant (not to mention Levicorpus! and other spells The Prince/Snape taught him through the book we don't know about it)...that seems to be a sign of power to me; and how he was able to Apparate himself and Dumbledore back to Hogsmeade after only completing Side-Along Apparatition and Apparating a few feet in the Great Hall.

I think the problem with Harry in this book was he didn't feel the need to learn a lot more. He obviously wasn't concerned with closing off his mind, or he would have had more success with nonverbal spells. I feel like he still relied too much on Dumbledore. In Order of the Phoenix, he felt like Dumbledore was not there for him, which attributed to why he learned so much for himself that year. But during the Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore pretty much walked Harry through everything until the end (and getting the memory from Slughorn, Felix handled that ;) ).

That is why I feel Dumbledore's death was so poignant and worth so much to the storyline of the 7th book...it's enabling Harry to finally gain all the power and skills he needs to defeat Voldemort--it gave him the drive to do it. I'm nearly positive Harry will become more powerful in the first half of the second book than in the last six books combined. There seems like so much he has to learn...

I didnt see thse signs of him becoming powerful. I just merely thought that it was something every wizard could do. I could be wrong of course.

Yes, I really hope he learn more. Like yoou I think he relied to heavily on Dumbledore with him dead I belive/hope that Harry will become stronger. What makes me even more anxious to see if he has more power is because of what happened with Snape at the end of HBP. I mean Snape was merely toying with him. He could have easily killed Harry. This makes me cringe because Snape is nowhere near the league as Voldemort. So I hope what you said was true. That the 7th book will have Harry becoming loads more knowledgable(sp?)of magic. If JK doesnt this and Harry wins against Voldemoret by a fluke I would be pissed. I mean the fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore in OOP just proves that Harry really needs more practice.

Just a thing I would like to point out. If JK never brings back Harry using magic wandless I will be a little mad. I thought it would have somehting to do in the 6th, but it never showed up. So I am hoping it pops up in the 7th.


Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
I'm looking forward to this :) I bet Harry will only stay for a day or two, if that. It would be hilarious to see Ron and Hermione in the Dursleys' company for a while, for some reason I can picture them liking Hermione even if they hate themselves for it. Better yet, it would be hilarious if Dudley developed a case of love at first sight (aka a crush) for Hermione and Ron got insanely jealous (possibly to the point of trying to curse Dudley ... so many funny possibilities).

Doesnt if he have to stay until his birthday? What if Ron and Hermione make the Dursleys celebrate:lol:. There areso many funny things that could come out of this. I like your scenrio of Dudley falling in love with Hermione. That would be hilarious! I hope when Harry turns 17 that he does something to the Dursleys. What if he said "Well I'm gone I am out of your hair forever" and he walks away to leave and Pentunia stops him
:eek: Saying "Harry dear, wont you come back and visit." (I am just saying this because in the looks of the last 2 books it look like Pentunia cares more and more)

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Originally posted by SheBangs
Just a thing I would like to point out. If JK never brings back Harry using magic wandless I will be a little mad. I thought it would have somehting to do in the 6th, but it never showed up. So I am hoping it pops up in the 7th.

Ummm...I remember a J.K. interview where she said wizards can do magic without wands, but it's unfocused and uncontrolled, and that to do very good spells you needed a wand. So it's not like the fact that we've seen Harry do it is uncommon at all for wizards...it seems to be related to emotions (anger--Harry blowing up Marge; fear--Harry being chased by a few bullies suddenly finds himself out of their reach; humiliation/dread--Harry's hair goes back overnight after Petunia cuts in ridiculously; etcetera).

And I found the link to the interview: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2001/0301-bbc-rednose.htm

I personally don't think Harry doing wandless magic has any significance, unless of course he's better at it than any other wizards out there...maybe he could learn how to summon back his wand after being disarmed--that would be a sweet trick. Definitely would throw his opponent off.

[atrufan14]

Last night i was re-reading the OoP when i came across something really cool :cool: . on page 108, when they are cleaning out the cabinet in the drawing room, they found 'a heavy locket that none of them can open'. could this be the horcrux the harry and dumbledore went looking for? regulus black (or R.A.B) could've stored it there (as it was his house) and they can't open it because it houses part of voldemorts soul..... it all makes sense. mmmaybe they destroyed it or kreacher has it, either way its either still in grimmualed(sp?) place or gone.
i reckon that eveery horcrux is there or the malfoys 'mansion' because lucius and regulus thought they put them in safer places- this would make the job a lot easier for harry. :D
what do you think??

[Daphne]

I think that locket is a horocrux too. It's going to be fun to see Harry find them all.

[atrufan14]

ooooh - i can't wait. jk hasn't even started writing the seventh book yet so we're gonna be waiting for a long time!

[10-5-4-9]

It's been stated that the whole thing is most likely going to be wrapped up by 2010. I wouldn't be surprised if number 7 comes out in 2008. They'll probably get to shooting it right away, because the original cast will probably want in on it. Their age can be covered up, and the rate that they're maturing can be easily explained by the timeline.

[atrufan14]

Originally posted by 10-5-4-9
It's been stated that the whole thing is most likely going to be wrapped up by 2010. I wouldn't be surprised if number 7 comes out in 2008. They'll probably get to shooting it right away, because the original cast will probably want in on it. Their age can be covered up, and the rate that they're maturing can be easily explained by the timeline.

2008!!!!!!!!!! :eek: that's too long to wait! i was seven when the first book came out and i'll be 18 when the last one comes out , i'll still be interested in it, no matter what :D

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Originally posted by atrufan14
2008!!!!!!!!!! :eek: that's too long to wait! i was seven when the first book came out and i'll be 18 when the last one comes out , i'll still be interested in it, no matter what :D

They were talking about the movies. J.K. said Book 7 should only take 2 years (Summer 2007 is nearly a guarantee) ... she also said the plot is very tight so I'm not worried it will take her too long to write. She even has the last chapter written already (though she said she'll probably have to edit it). I think I said this earlier, but she's told us the last word of that chapter: scar. I'm suprised there isn't more discussion about what that means, considering Harry's scar is so important to the series.

[atrufan14]

Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
They were talking about the movies. J.K. said Book 7 should only take 2 years (Summer 2007 is nearly a guarantee) ... she also said the plot is very tight so I'm not worried it will take her too long to write. She even has the last chapter written already (though she said she'll probably have to edit it). I think I said this earlier, but she's told us the last word of that chapter: scar. I'm suprised there isn't more discussion about what that means, considering Harry's scar is so important to the series.

2007 is still a long wait but if it takes two years to write then there is nothiing we can do about it. :(
i kinda suspected that she had already written the ending and some scenes of the book, i mean, she's had the whole thing planned out since the first book!
can't wait....

[10-5-4-9]

Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
They were talking about the movies. J.K. said Book 7 should only take 2 years (Summer 2007 is nearly a guarantee) ... she also said the plot is very tight so I'm not worried it will take her too long to write. She even has the last chapter written already (though she said she'll probably have to edit it). I think I said this earlier, but she's told us the last word of that chapter: scar. I'm suprised there isn't more discussion about what that means, considering Harry's scar is so important to the series.

Well, it had better not be a quickie ending, or I'm going to be very disappointed. I would not be surprised if one of THEIR Big Three died.

But, back on topic...

[Summers]

I finally finished HBP. Well, usually I'm a cautious reader, but this book I just wasn't enthused as I was in the first five books. There were some excellent chapters I just love, and scenes but overall it was so-so.

First the bad because I want to get out of the way to the good which always lead to speculation.

The Bad

-The romantic relationships. I never seen such a rush job unless it was on SV. They were horribly writtened. IMO Its not JKR cup of tea with romance at all. It was rush, and it did not flow well at all. I mean Harry/Ginny being together was so fast that it pathetic. IMO The ships really dragged the story down.

-the disrespect of the ships after Dumbledore's death. The chapter where everyone was in the hospital wing. Just an hour or less ago Dumbledore died. Everyone knows he dead, and he lying on the grass. While Fawkes is singing sorrowfully we dont have remorse. We have people talking and bickering about getting married. I was pissed at that scene. It was so disrespectful by Mrs.Weasley, Tonks, and Fleur. Thank goodness Lupin said something how inapprioate it was. I could understand the next day they are talking about the ships, but not an hour or less after Dumbledore's death. I was appaulled by those three characters.

Okay, I feel better after my mini-rant. Now on with the good.

The Good
-Tom M. Riddle/Lord Voldemort this character is one of the reasons I sticked like glue in many chapters of the book. I enjoy reading history on Riddle and how he became to be Voldemort. He is such an intriguing characters I have ever read. JKR really writes him very well. Every chapter he is in it with one of his flashbacks I was glued into that chapter especially on the Horcuxs. I love his character, and cant wait to see him again in the last book.

-the bond of Albus Dumbledore and Harry Potter was also a nice treat. These two people shared a bond that is without a doubt one of the best in the series. A very loving bond that needs not words just mere expressions to show how much they mean toward one another. Dumbledore almost crying to hear HP tell him he was his man through and through. HP care of Dumbledore when they were in the caves. Their bond and working together was a indeed a good read.

-Quittach(sp? never was able to spell it right) was excellent. I really enjoyed the matches this time.

-The differences and similarities between Riddle and Harry was very interesting. Harry's ablitiy to love is the key thing that Riddle will never understand. Lily loved Harry. Harry knows why she died thus he knows why she is gone. Riddle also knows why his mother is gone. The difference is love. I loved the comparisons JKR did with both of these young men.

-the continuity between CoS, GoF, and HBP was great especially the linking of Voldemort and the Horcuxs. That was great.

-finally Draco gets an arc besides the school bully...yea lol.

-there were cute scenes of the HP Trio I loved like in the beginning, Lucky potion scene where Hermoine and Ron are like this to Harry :eek: lol, and at the end.

Speculation I havent look the previous pages, so if I repeat already discussed speculation I'm sorry.
-Four Horcuxs left: locket, cup, snake(speculation by Dumbledore),and something by two other houses. There is speculation Harry is a Horcux. It would explain his sharing of ablitiy with Voldemort, and he is of Gryfindor(sp?). His b-day is in the sign of Leo(Gryfindor). he took Godric's sword out of the sorting hat, and he has a need to go to Godric's hollow. He belongs to the Gryffindor house.

-What if the fake locket Dumbledore and Harry retrieved in the cave isnt fake. What if Voldemort planted the parchment in the locket, so no one will harm it believing it is a fake. Thus part of his soul is intact.

-I have a feeling the HP Trio will return to Hogwarts. They have to. That's where it all began. Hogwarts is a character in this vast series. Riddle is drawn to it, and both him and Harry have an attachment to the place. IMO They will return because Voldemort will return to the place he only knew, and on some level love perhaps. He is the last Horcux, and once the HP Trio have destoryed all, but one....Voldemort. They will return to Hogwarts because Voldemort will return to Hogwarts for the last battle in the place Voldemort and Harry are attached to.

-Snape good or evil.....there is a balance of good arguments on both sides. IMO We wont know if he truly is until it happens in the last book. That debate is really endless, and wont conclude until then lol.

Overall, the book did set-up the last book terrifically. Now on to the last book in this great series :D.

[Snake_Corda]

Great speculation Mel!! I completely agree with what you've written.

The ships were woefully rushed at this...and I guess much like Joss with the Wennedy ship, I hadn't seen something that turned my nose up in her writing. The ships after Dumbledore's death were highly insulting. It brought a pettiness to those characters, which was unbecoming....especially Mrs. Weasley.

The bond that Dumbledore and Harry displayed was wonderful. I loved that Dumbledore told Harry that he knew he was okay because Harry was there with him. I'm sure I just butchered that sentence, but I don't have my book with me. That showed a deepness to their relationship that went way beyond Headmaster/student. It was just wonderful to read.

Tom, what can I say about Tom other than I simply love this character as well. Having a great villian validates the hero in such a way that it gives a believability to the all encompassing arc of the storyline. If he wasn't so well rounded or rushed there would be feeling of nonfulfillment to the reader IMO. Tom's well roundedness as a character is brought forefront when looking at Harry's ability to love and Tom's inability. I think this is where we will see Harry eventually able to forgive Tom in the end...justice will be served no doubt...but pity moreso than hatred will stem from Harry IMO.

I haven't done enough speculation on the horcruxes yet. I like your idea though Mel. That seems very valid :D.

Like Mel said, if this has already been discussed ad nauseam then I'm sorry for rehashing.

[atrufan14]

i have to say eventhough there is every chance that harry is a horcrux, he can't be. killing voldemort would mean destroying all of the horcruxes and therefore killing harry. this doesn't agree with the prophecy "neither can live while the other survives" because now voldemort can be killed - there are people just as able to do so other than harry, with both dead that means that the prophecy was fake!

[ScrappyTheOwl]

Well, J.K. said she worded the prophecy very clearly when someone asked her if Voldemort and Harry both must die, so it could go either way.

I, personally, don't believe Harry is a Horcrux.
Here's why:

In order to make a Horcrux, Voldemort had to do the following two things:
1) kill a person (the "sacrifice" essentially)
2) turn the object of his desire into a Horcrux with that person's death

In order for Harry to have been made a Horcrux:
1) Voldemort needed to kill Lily (check)
2) Voldemort turns Harry into a Horcrux by means of Lily's death (the exact way this curse is performed is unknown to us)

Assuming that did happen...we would have this question: WHY would Voldemort attempt to murder Harry after putting a piece of his soul in Harry? Voldemort knows that once he splits his soul, it's a piece he can never get back and if Harry were dead then that piece would die, as well. Voldemort had every intention of killing Harry, and as such, it seems a remarkable stretch to think he'd put a portion of his soul in him immediately before killing him.

It just seems like it would be a ridiculous waste of time to even perform the Horcrux (considering it was a waste of time in itself, considering his plans to kill Harry), which is something I don't believe Voldemort would have risked--knowing how well protected the Potters' were. Especially considering he MAY not have had any Death Eaters' with him (J.K. specifically told makers of the first Potter movie that Voldemort walked up to the house alone ... watch the scene for more).

There is the possibility that Voldemort tried to turn Harry into a Horcrux and was unsuccessful due in part to Lily's sacrifice (it's never been said that the magic only prevented Harry from being killed) and killed him because of it. I believe Voldemort would have made Harry a Horcrux if he could have because he'd assume that Harry would be as scared of death as he is, and to destroy Voldemort Harry would have to kill himself at the same time. Or someone else would have to kill Harry to kill him ... doesn't make sense that he'd kill him after doing that ...

Just how I look at it, anyways ...

[atrufan14]

couldn't agree with you more...
my sister pointed out to me that he couldn't be a horcrux because otherwise Voldemort wouldn't want to kill harry.

[axel]

Originally posted by atrufan14
Last night i was re-reading the OoP when i came across something really cool :cool: . on page 108, when they are cleaning out the cabinet in the drawing room, they found 'a heavy locket that none of them can open'. could this be the horcrux the harry and dumbledore went looking for? regulus black (or R.A.B) could've stored it there (as it was his house) and they can't open it because it houses part of voldemorts soul..... it all makes sense. mmmaybe they destroyed it or kreacher has it, either way its either still in grimmualed(sp?) place or gone.
i reckon that eveery horcrux is there or the malfoys 'mansion' because lucius and regulus thought they put them in safer places- this would make the job a lot easier for harry. :D
what do you think??

It's Grimmauld :)
Wait.....I'm having a lapsus.... who is Regulus Black?

[jen]

Marta - if I'm not mistaken, he's the younger brother of Sirius Black who joined the Death Eaters and was ordered to be killed by Voldemort.

[axel]

Great thanks Jen! :D

[Sierra-san]

OMG, axel and jen speak! :eek: :p

Anyway, maybe he accidently made Harry a Horcrux. Just a thought.

On the shipping part:

http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?userid=4554

She just took the H/G part after she saw all of the Herons using it as their scapegoat to who Harry will get with. It's obvious she took things from the fandom, like Harry calling Defense Against the Dark Arts "DADA".

Quidditch Mel, Quidditch. :p

[Summers]

I agree with Scrappy and the rest of you. Now that is just one theory, but let's tweak it some to make another theory.


Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl

There is the possibility that Voldemort tried to turn Harry into a Horcrux and was unsuccessful due in part to Lily's sacrifice (it's never been said that the magic only prevented Harry from being killed) and killed him because of it.


This line here gave me a thought. I heard of the theory of Sirius' brother being R.A.B. which I can see can make sense, but sometimes excellent creators like Joss Whedon and JKR love to twist things.

Now we know the choice Voldemort gave the Lily that she didnt need to die because all he wanted was Harry. What if Lily was a Horcux, and didnt know it? There has to be a reason why Voldemort gave a choice to Lily, and not to everyone else. What if part of his soul was in here without her knowing? Voldemort ending up destorying a Horcux.

If Harry doesnt know this(but Voldemort does), then the HP Trio would be on a wild goose chase of the second to last Horcux. He would not want to face Voldemort if he thinks he isnt vulernable, and giving Voldemort a little longer to plant his next move.

Just another thought to throw it out there lol.


Originally posted by Sierra-san

She just took the H/G part after she saw all of the Herons using it as their scapegoat to who Harry will get with. It's obvious she took things from the fandom, like Harry calling Defense Against the Dark Arts "DADA".

Quidditch Mel, Quidditch. :p

Thanks ;).

You think so? "DADA" sounds fandom(we used it all the time), but the H/G part as well.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
This line here gave me a thought. I heard of the theory of Sirius' brother being R.A.B. which I can see can make sense, but sometimes excellent creators like Joss Whedon and JKR love to twist things.

Now we know the choice Voldemort gave the Lily that she didnt need to die because all he wanted was Harry. What if Lily was a Horcux, and didnt know it? There has to be a reason why Voldemort gave a choice to Lily, and not to everyone else. What if part of his soul was in here without her knowing? Voldemort ending up destorying a Horcux.

If Harry doesnt know this(but Voldemort does), then the HP Trio would be on a wild goose chase of the second to last Horcux. He would not want to face Voldemort if he thinks he isnt vulernable, and giving Voldemort a little longer to plant his next move.

Just another thought to throw it out there lol.

Out there is right. :lol: Although I like it. ^_^




Originally posted by Summers
Thanks ;).

You think so? "DADA" sounds fandom(we used it all the time), but the H/G part as well.

Yes, yes I do. I mean, what interaction did he have with Ginny before the sixth book?

[Summers]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
Out there is right. :lol: Although I like it. ^_^

Yes, yes I do. I mean, what interaction did he have with Ginny before the sixth book?

You know me I sometimes think outside of the box :lol:. But you like it :D.

I thought about that over and over again. He had very minimal interaction with her on CoS. Ginny we knew had a slight girl crush on him. In PoA we barely saw her. In GoF we saw her an itty bit more than we did in PoA. OoTP is where we saw her the most, but she didnt have any strong interaction with Harry as compared to Luna or Hermoine. I mean it well...H/G came out of nowhere. There was no build up to that ship whatsoever.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
You know me I sometimes think outside of the box :lol:. But you like it :D.

Yes I do. :D


Originally posted by Summers
I thought about that over and over again. He had very minimal interaction with her on CoS. Ginny we knew had a slight girl crush on him. In PoA we barely saw her. In GoF we saw her an itty bit more than we did in PoA. OoTP is where we saw her the most, but she didnt have any strong interaction with her as compared to Luna or Hermoine. I mean it well...H/G came out of nowhere. There was no build up to that ship whatsoever.

Damn straight. It was out of left field. One thought is that she used a love potion on him... *cough*

[Summers]

Originally posted by Sierra-san

Damn straight. It was out of left field. One thought is that she used a love potion on him... *cough*

A love potion. Whoa. You think Ginny would go that low to be with Harry? I mean unlike Merope(sp?) she had no one, and she was oppressed by her father and brother(plus IMO slightly crazy). Ginny really could have anyone she liked to an extent. See this is one of the reasons I despised SV's ep. "Unsafe".

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
A love potion. Whoa. You think Ginny would go that low to be with Harry? I mean unlike Merope(sp?) she had no one, and she was oppressed by her father and brother(plus IMO slightly crazy). Ginny really could have anyone she liked to an extent. See this is one of the reasons I despised SV's ep. "Unsafe".

I think it's a posibility. Why else would Harry suddenly fall head over heels for her? And besides, she could have any guy she wants (which is very Mary-Sue like), yet the one she wants, Harry, ignores her for five years.

Unsafe sucked monkey balls. :(

[Summers]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
I think it's a posibility. Why else would Harry suddenly fall head over heels for her? And besides, she could have any guy she wants (which is very Mary-Sue like), yet the one she wants, Harry, ignores her for five years.

Unsafe sucked monkey balls. :(

That one scene where he is in his bed thinking of her reminded me of a love potion right now. But then again its gender gap. Do boys think like that about their crushes?

I agree. Ginny became very Mary-Sue like which I didnt really like. There wasnt a good build up at all, and it was written badly.

:lol: right on :D

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
That one scene where he is in his bed thinking of her reminded me of a love potion right now. But then again its gender gap. Do boys think like that about their crushes?

I don't think so. Not that'd I know. Where's Adam when you need him? :lol:


Originally posted by Summers
I agree. Ginny became very Mary-Sue like which I didnt really like. There wasnt a good build up at all, and it was written badly.

I didn't like it either. What was JKR thinking?


Originally posted by Summers
:lol: right on :D

:D

[MBCorp]

JKR stated in that interview that she did with mugglenet that Ginny didn't use a love potion on Harry.

The H/G was rushed, but the ship that I thought that was rushed the most was Lupin/Tonks. That came out of absolutely nowhere. I really could have done without that one, to be honest.:p

[Summers]

Didnt help that JKR brought it out of the open an hour or less after Dumbledore's death. That was just plain wrong. With a book you have the luxury to write more chapters if needed, and she doesnt have a deadline.

[Kel-El]

MBcorp, i so agree about the Lupin/Tonks thing. It's so weird. The strangest ship ever. Did I mention that it's odd?

[Summers]

I'm right there with you :lol:. I was reading last night thinking "huh....what....huh" lol.

I really did enjoy seeing the greatest of the bond between Dumbledore and Harry. It was so heartbreaking imagining Harry sitting beside Dumbledore's dead body. Fixing his glasses, cleaning the blood off his face, and bent on not leaving his mentor's side. Saying "No" over and over again. I really enjoyed reading the bond these two people shared in this book.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by MBCorp
JKR stated in that interview that she did with mugglenet that Ginny didn't use a love potion on Harry.

The H/G was rushed, but the ship that I thought that was rushed the most was Lupin/Tonks. That came out of absolutely nowhere. I really could have done without that one, to be honest.:p

That one did come out of nowhere.

I haven't read the other 5 books in over a year so I can't remember but when did Ginny become the one all the guys loved?

I agree 100% with about the bond between Dumbledore and Harry. I loved that scene too. Other scenes I loved where all the scenes in the caves, and the one when Harry told him he was "Dumbledore's man". That was a sweet, lovely scene.:)

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east

I agree 100% with about the bond between Dumbledore and Harry. I loved that scene too. Other scenes I loved where all the scenes in the caves, and the one when Harry told him he was "Dumbledore's man". That was a sweet, lovely scene.:)

It was. Dumbledore was so speechless about it, and his eyes got watery....awww, warm, fuzzy moment :D.

I loved how Harry stood up to Rufus the new minister :D.

Remember in CoS Harry told 16 yr. old Tom that Dumbledore will never be gone as long as the ones that remain loyal to him. That's true. Dumbledore will always live on to an extent through the people around him. The ones that he touched, and helped along the way. He is the school to an extent. He helped created that warm, family atmosphere around the school. He'll never be truly gone because of those around him he loved.

ETA: There is that word again...love. That word carries so much meaning now. We heard it in SS with Lily's mother's love. We now know Harry's ablitiy to love is great asset and to an extent maybe a defense against Voldemort. Its quite simplistic, but it carries so much meaning.

[MBCorp]

The bond between Dumbledore and Harry was definitely one of the best things about HBP. It was great to see so many scenes between those two, and the part where Harry was forcing DD to drink that potion was heartwrenching.

The weird thing about Lupin and Tonks is that they have absolutely nothing in common and Tonks is alot younger than Lupin. It's just so weird. Plus I agree with Mel that it came at the worst possible time. Here we're still in shock over DD's death, and not in the mood to read about romance.

[Summers]

Originally posted by MBCorp

The weird thing about Lupin and Tonks is that they have absolutely nothing in common and Tonks is alot younger than Lupin. It's just so weird. Plus I agree with Mel that it came at the worst possible time. Here we're still in shock over DD's death, and not in the mood to read about romance.

Exactly. Confessionally, I'm hoping in the movie version they change that scene.

[Sierra-san]

Dumbledore/Harry is like...canon. <3

[atrufan14]

Originally posted by Summers
It was. Dumbledore was so speechless about it, and his eyes got watery....awww, warm, fuzzy moment :D.


that scene is really cute. it even a tear to my eye. he really is "dumbledores man through and through"

[zhuuka]

The new minister is forceful isn't he? I am glad too Harry stood up to him. I'm still thinking there is more to both Draco and Snape. But that's the slytherin fan in me talking.

[angelfire east]

yeah, he is.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by Summers
Exactly. Confessionally, I'm hoping in the movie version they change that scene.

I don't know. I kind of liked that scene. It's an odd match up for sure...... but it was a "life finds a way" moment for me.

Yes, Dumbledore was dead..but life was moving on. Just my opinion.

[Summers]

I understand that, but I simply disagree.

Life does move on, but IMO its disrespectful to speak about it after it just happened. If it was the next day okay, then I understand. But it wasnt because it was directly after Dumbledore's death. Heck, Lupin had to basically tell the girls to stop.

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
I don't think so. Not that'd I know. Where's Adam when you need him? :lol:


Making up for lost time in this thread...sorry about the delay :lol:

A guys' POV on the Harry pining over Ginny thing. It depends on how bad a guy's got it for that girl. Like you said though, he'd need more interaction to really get hooked on her. JK did a better job with the Harry/Lana I mean the Harry/Cho ship :p. It grew gradually to the point that she was in his thoughts frequently, and would lead to a more jealous territorial feel.

Once a guy's got it bad then she'll stay in his head a lot. JKR really didn't cover that too well :lol:. You know, "What is she doing?" , "Who is she talking too?" , "Is she interested?" "Is there another guy?" ...stuff like that... a guy can get pretty neurotic over this when he lets his mind wander. Fuel is just added to the fire when those thoughts are coupled with the games you women play on us....usually never giving us a straight answer and making us work for it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that cuts a few years off of our lives :p :lol: Guys and our pesky insecurities :lol:


Originally posted by Summers
I understand that, but I simply disagree.

Life does move on, but IMO its disrespectful to speak about it after it just happened. If it was the next day okay, then I understand. But it wasnt because it was directly after Dumbledore's death. Heck, Lupin had to basically tell the girls to stop.

I agree completely. The pettiness that came out was just unbelievably crass and callous. I understand that emotions are running in the red with Dumbledore's death and Bill being mutilated and at the time not sure of the werewolf virus running through him. I highly doubt at that time that if Bill himself were able to intervene he would have interjected at that moment. I mean it's all fine and dandy that Fleur displayed her love in that fashion...just not right then.

I don't understand what purpose that served in the book...JKR could have written that they'd have this arguement the next day, two days, or a week later and it wouldn't ever have been discussed in this fashion I'm sure.

[ScrappyTheOwl]

After Dumbledore died, it seemed to me that everyone seemed so surreal and detatched because the death hadn't sunk in yet.

To give a person example, when my father was killed, I was able to believe it, yet I carried on with my life for about three days as if nothing had happend before it hit me and I holed myself up, finally understanding that he'd never come back but not understanding how I was supposed to deal with that. I don't really remember much of the first hour after I was told he was killed, other than crying when I was told, and then I walked away and poured a glass of fruit punch or lemonade or something, and talked to my best friend (at the time) about things I cannot remember...but I know we didn't talk about my dad.

When I read HBP for the first time, I was struck by how closely that scene reflected my own experience. I felt the detachment they were feeling, and it felt wholly appropriate to me. The other issues the characters were going through were serious and needed to be discussed ... it seems almost cavalier, but to me it felt more like the characters were feeling so detatched, yet they had to discuss these huge issues, yet there hearts just weren't in it, and the discussions the characters were having felt forced between themselves even though they really did feel these things...they were taking in too much big stuff at one time and it just left them numb and detatched. This is felt very REAL for me...but as everyone deals with grief differently and some people have never gone through the death of someone close to them, I can understand why not all people can understand or relate to what was going on during that scene.

[Snake_Corda]

That could possibly be the angle she was trying to reach. I for one, haven't had that really. I've lost grandparents but not an immediate family member. So I really can't relate to that type of grief.

I am sorry for your loss. :(

[Daphne]

I guess I feel that there was more things than just Dumbledore's death going on. I agree that the actual writing about the "ships" were pushed. But in a way I had a feeling that they all knew Dumbledore's death was coming. He, Dumbledore, and Snape, sure knew that it was coming.
Definitely it is true that when somene close dies, it takes time to digest it. I'm sorry for your loss also.
Maybe it was a way for the characters to feel deal with something other than the fact that Dumbledore died.
I need to read the book for a second time, which I am totally looking forward to, to get the feeling that was going on again.

[Summers]

Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
After Dumbledore died, it seemed to me that everyone seemed so surreal and detatched because the death hadn't sunk in yet.

To give a person example, when my father was killed, I was able to believe it, yet I carried on with my life for about three days as if nothing had happend before it hit me and I holed myself up, finally understanding that he'd never come back but not understanding how I was supposed to deal with that. I don't really remember much of the first hour after I was told he was killed, other than crying when I was told, and then I walked away and poured a glass of fruit punch or lemonade or something, and talked to my best friend (at the time) about things I cannot remember...but I know we didn't talk about my dad.

When I read HBP for the first time, I was struck by how closely that scene reflected my own experience. I felt the detachment they were feeling, and it felt wholly appropriate to me. The other issues the characters were going through were serious and needed to be discussed ... it seems almost cavalier, but to me it felt more like the characters were feeling so detatched, yet they had to discuss these huge issues, yet there hearts just weren't in it, and the discussions the characters were having felt forced between themselves even though they really did feel these things...they were taking in too much big stuff at one time and it just left them numb and detatched. This is felt very REAL for me...but as everyone deals with grief differently and some people have never gone through the death of someone close to them, I can understand why not all people can understand or relate to what was going on during that scene.

I'm truly sorry for your loss. Its not the next three days or the week I'm disagreeing about. I sense their detachment of Dumbledore's death very easily on the last chapter and I thought it was well done(excluding Harry/Ginny part wasnt written very well IMO), but what happened in the hospital wing was that hour of his death.

It just depends on your perspective or experience. There is no right or wrong on this. Its just simply disagreeing from opinion. I never had a relative close die, but I had friends who have died. I still remember clearly that first hour when I knew they passed away, and there is no way I would talk about the things Fleur, Tonks, and Mrs.Weasley were going on about. For me there would be no way at all in the first hour of hearing about someone's close to me death that I would be talking about love and weddings in the first hour knowing of someone's death. I just simply couldnt.

[ScrappyTheOwl]

This is going back to something discussed previously, but as to Harry and going back to Hogwarts in the seventh book, I found J.K.'s quote regarding the last chapter of the seventh book:
"This is the thing that I was very dubious about showing you...(T)his is the final chapter of book seven. This is really where I wrap everything up, it’s the epilogue. And I basically say what happens to everyone after they leave school – those who survive – because there are deaths – more deaths coming. It was a way of saying to myself, ‘Well you will get it, you will get to book seven one day. And then you’ll need this!’ So I’d just like to remind all the children I know who come around my house and start sneaking into cupboards that it’s not there anymore – I don’t keep it at home anymore for very, very, very obvious reasons. So there it is."

That can be taken one of two ways: 1) some or all of them DO end up going to their seventh year of school for one reaosn or another, or 2) the crew will return to Hogwarts right before that last chapter.

[Rafael122]

Sorry if I jumped into the conversation really late but I read the book over my vacation and I loved it. All I kept thinking about while reading the book was which parts of the book will they leave out, because to me it looked like each chapter had something to do with the other.

I didn't like the Ginny/Harry relationship. I'm a Harry/Hermione fan but the Ginny/Harry fling really didn't do it for me. First of all, they barely hung out with each other and secondly, they broke up because Harry thinks Ginny is in danger if she sticks with him.

[Summers]

Originally posted by ScrappyTheOwl
This is going back to something discussed previously, but as to Harry and going back to Hogwarts in the seventh book, I found J.K.'s quote regarding the last chapter of the seventh book:
"This is the thing that I was very dubious about showing you...(T)his is the final chapter of book seven. This is really where I wrap everything up, it’s the epilogue. And I basically say what happens to everyone after they leave school – those who survive – because there are deaths – more deaths coming. It was a way of saying to myself, ‘Well you will get it, you will get to book seven one day. And then you’ll need this!’ So I’d just like to remind all the children I know who come around my house and start sneaking into cupboards that it’s not there anymore – I don’t keep it at home anymore for very, very, very obvious reasons. So there it is."

That can be taken one of two ways: 1) some or all of them DO end up going to their seventh year of school for one reaosn or another, or 2) the crew will return to Hogwarts right before that last chapter.

I think they will go back to Hogwarts early on or in the mid-book. I truly believe Voldemort will return to his home(Hogwarts), and the HP crew have to be ready for him far better than than they were in previous years. Voldemort and Harry have an attachment to the school. I just dont see the HP crew returning so late in the book. I see Harry returning after he finds some of the Horcuxs.

[atrufan14]

they have to go back to hogwarts! it's just not the same without it. hogwarts is where Harry belongs and it was his and voldemorts first real 'home'. i reckon that one horcrux is hidden there.

[Summers]

I agree Atrufan :).

[atrufan14]

the books just wouldn't be the same without hogwarts.

[Summers]

That place is a character.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Rafael122
I didn't like the Ginny/Harry relationship. I'm a Harry/Hermione fan but the Ginny/Harry fling really didn't do it for me. First of all, they barely hung out with each other and secondly, they broke up because Harry thinks Ginny is in danger if she sticks with him.

Second'd. I guess we're suppose to believe that a girl we barely knew before book six is the love of Harry's life.

ROTFLMFAO

[Summers]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
Second'd. I guess we're suppose to believe that a girl we barely knew before book six is the love of Harry's life.


I know really. I'm not buying it :lol:.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
I know really. I'm not buying it :lol:.

Neither am I. I mean, Cho/Harry had more set up than Ginny/Harry, and Cho wasn't suppose to be "the love of his life".

[Summers]

Agreed. If there was at least build up of Ginny/Harry then I can understand, but there really wasnt at all.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
Agreed. If there was at least build up of Ginny/Harry then I can understand, but there really wasnt at all.

Exactly. That's why I'm not going on and on about R/Hr. I saw it coming, so I didn't mind much, even if I was still a little disappointed. But H/G was a complete WTF moment.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
But H/G was a complete WTF moment.

Exactly. The whole time was reading the H/G parts I was like "what....huh...what...huh....WTF!!" :confused: :lol:.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
Exactly. The whole time was reading the H/G parts I was like "what....huh...what...huh....WTF!!" :confused: :lol:.

Yeah. :lol: It's like it was an afterthought. Since a picture is worth 1,000 words, I'll sum it up with this:

http://www.forumspile.com/WTF-OMGWTFBBQ.JPG

[Summers]

:rotfl:

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
:rotfl:

:p I just love doing that.

[Daphne]

Boy, I have always thought Ginny and Harry would be together. I hope that works out.

[Mysticlies]

sad to say I have not read the book yet, but my friend has promised me a copy when I start school.:( :D

[Summers]

Originally posted by Daphne
Boy, I have always thought Ginny and Harry would be together. I hope that works out.

Out of curiousity, how did you come to that conclusion? I mean I never thought about it because there wasn't any interaction or build-up to it. So how did you come to your conclusion :).

[atrufan14]

i also thought they'd be a great couple but never suspected they'd end up together. it's just the way that she would never talk to him then suddenly they were like best mates. i think that made me think that she was hiding her feelings and they were bound to come out sooner or later. with Cho out of the picture harry needed a new gf so ginny sprang to mind :).

[Summers]

I know she had a girl crush on him, but it was so quickly done. Even their frienship interaction was so small IMO you couldnt even tell if they were friends. It was quickly how they got together, and it was quickly how they broke it off. It was just too quick, and if you skipped the chapters of H/G you wouldnt miss anything :lol:.

[atrufan14]

it was too quick but at least harry had something to be happy about in the 6th book :).

[Summers]

IMO He had happy without Ginny through the means of being captain of his team excluding the incident with Ernie.

[atrufan14]

yeah i'm sure that made him happy but with voldemort killing every day he could never have been perfectly happy (that reminded me of angels curse lol)

[Rafael122]

I must say, digging into Voldemort's past were the best parts of the book. He's always been evil, it just took Hogwarts to turn him into who he is now.

And, I'm confused...Frienze is that half man half horse that saved Harry in the first movie right? Why is he teaching at Hogwarts?

[Summers]

Originally posted by atrufan14
yeah i'm sure that made him happy but with voldemort killing every day he could never have been perfectly happy (that reminded me of angels curse lol)

No, hero/heroine can never be perfectly happy. There is no such thing. That's what makes heroes/heroines from Superman to Buffy to Angel to Harry Potter unique. Its one of their scarfices that makes them heroes/heroines :).


Originally posted by Rafael122
I must say, digging into Voldemort's past were the best parts of the book. He's always been evil, it just took Hogwarts to turn him into who he is now.

And, I'm confused...Frienze is that half man half horse that saved Harry in the first movie right? Why is he teaching at Hogwarts?

I agree. IMO Voldemort's past is the only thing that truly kept me interested in the book besides the bond of Dumbledore and Harry. Hogwarts helped hone his powers, but the scary thing is before he went to the school Voldemort already had tremendous skill of using his magical abilities.

Yes, Frienze is the Centuar that saved Harry in the first movie. He was outcasted by his fellow Centuars for aiding and working with humans.

[MBCorp]

If JKR ever wrote a book soley about Tom Riddle/Voldemort's past I would definitely read it. I'm actually hoping that she will write a book someday about Dumbledore's past before the events of SS.

[Summers]

Originally posted by MBCorp
If JKR ever wrote a book soley about Tom Riddle/Voldemort's past I would definitely read it. I'm actually hoping that she will write a book someday about Dumbledore's past before the events of SS.

I would definitely read those books. A book coming from Riddle's perspective IMO would be an interesting read. Dumbledore is such a mystery with his past that would an interesting book to read.

Good idea Alice :).

[Sierra-san]

It's Firenze. :p

I'd love a book from Tom's perspective.

[Summers]

Kinda like the comic book Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

[MBCorp]

I really like the Lex Luthor: Man of Steel comics. I'm hoping they put all the issues out as a graphic novel.

btw, love the Tabula Rasa avatar, Mel! Not to get off topic, but when I first watched that episode I didn't even get the Joan of Arc connection to Buffy calling herself 'Joan' in that episode. I read that on a Buffy site the other day and I thought it was a pretty neat detail that I had missed.

[Summers]

They should put the graphic novel out soon. Majority of the comic books are put into graphic novel form :D. Plus they are cheaper lo.

Thanks :D. John in the Buffy thread made some new avater gifs, and I was in "AHHHH!!" mood lol. I heard about that connection I think went all the way back to "Fear, Itself" when Willow dressed up as Joan of Arc for Halloween.....I think that's the same connection, but I'm not sure :lol:.

[Sierra-san]

Law 9 of K-site: You have to know alot about Buffy to know what the hell people are talking about. :lol:

[atrufan14]

:rotfl: very true

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
Law 9 of K-site: You have to know alot about Buffy to know what the hell people are talking about. :lol:

I believe that came down the mountain with Moses but got lost on the way :p :lol:

[4EverSmallville]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
Law 9 of K-site: You have to know alot about Buffy to know what the hell people are talking about. :lol:

Hell yeah :lol:.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Snake_Corda
I believe that came down the mountain with Moses but got lost on the way :p :lol:

:rotfl:

We should make a whole list for the laws of K-Site.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
Law 9 of K-site: You have to know alot about Buffy to know what the hell people are talking about. :lol:

:lol: That should be a law all over :D

Law 10 of K-Site: Know a lot of LOTR and Anime.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Summers
:lol: That should be a law all over :D

Law 10 of K-Site: Know a lot of LOTR and Anime.

:p

Law 1 of K-Site: Lana sucks. There is no arguement in the world that will disprove this scientific fact.

Law 2 of K-Site: Omar is God.

Law 3 of K-Site: Some people call our favorite characters MB, BDA, and Bo Duke more than Lionel, Clark, and Jonathan.

Law 4 of K-Site: Staying on-topic doesn't last long.

Law 5 of K-Site: Howl>You.

I can go on.

[jen]

:rotfl:

so very true. :D

[axisoftime]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
:p

Law 1 of K-Site: Lana sucks. There is no arguement in the world that will disprove this scientific fact.

Law 2 of K-Site: Omar is God.

Law 3 of K-Site: Some people call our favorite characters MB, BDA, and Bo Duke more than Lionel, Clark, and Jonathan.

Law 4 of K-Site: Staying on-topic doesn't last long.

Law 5 of K-Site: Howl>You.

I can go on.

1)Are u referring to Lana in SV only-or Lana in Superman III as well-or Lana in Lois &Clark-or Lana in TAS-or Lana in comics or all together.Hey-she was an honorary member of the Legion of Super Heroes!
2)Who is Omar???
3)Agreed
4)Agreed
5)Whatever that means-Agreed lol.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by axisoftime
1)Are u referring to Lana in SV only-or Lana in Superman III as well-or Lana in Lois &Clark-or Lana in TAS-or Lana in comics or all together.Hey-she was an honorary member of the Legion of Super Heroes!

SV Lana. When she was played by Anette, I liked her. But SV Lana sucks IMO.


Originally posted by axisoftime
2)Who is Omar???

You....don't know who Omar G is?!? He's only our favorite TWoP reviewer!

http://televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=81


Originally posted by axisoftime
5)Whatever that means-Agreed lol.

Howl is the 00ber sexy man in my avatar. ;)

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Summers
:lol: That should be a law all over :D

Law 10 of K-Site: Know a lot of LOTR and Anime.

If not then thee shall be smited :lol:

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Snake_Corda
If not then thee shall be smited :lol:

Yes, thee shall be. For I will send an orc army and Inuyasha upon thee. >O

[axisoftime]

Law 9-Buffy-I did see the musical Buffy ep,and a couple others-but I have seen most Charmed eps-so Its kinda close-in a way-sorta.
Law 10-Anime-I havent seen Howls Moving Castle but Ive had some howlers at White Castle.I thought I had seen every ep of Kimba-but i didnt know about the 'lost' ep.I do remember Daniel Baboone lol.
LOTR-If u can identify;
Mithrandir
Palantir
Narya
Snowmane
"Thag You Very Buch"
Old Toby

You just might be an LOTR fan

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
Yes, thee shall be. For I will send an orc army and Inuyasha upon thee. >O

I still say Ushio and Toro and the Battousai ;) :lol:

[atrufan14]

what?? speak english :lol:

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by Snake_Corda
I still say Ushio and Toro and the Battousai ;) :lol:

>O Rawr.

Oh dear, how we've gone off topic.

[axisoftime]

No one took a crack at my LOTR quiz-thought youd try it Sierra.
You probably know at least 1..or 2 of em lol.

[Summers]

Guys, let's get back on topic :). This thread is more narrower on the content discussed as compared to the HP thread.

[atrufan14]

right, half blood prince any more ideas......

[axisoftime]

Well,from the reaction of many who havent found HBP to be so hot-Id say the best thing would be to start a book 7 thread lol.

[Summers]

I'm not going especially for that reason. But because that belongs in the HP thread. After next week all discussion should go into the HP thread since there has been enough time to read the book 6.

All speculations of books 6 & 7 will be transferred into the HP thread.

ETA: Remember the moderators let us have this other thread because of the spoilers being involved. One subject has one thread unless there is a good reason. We had a good reason to have this thread. Book 7 won't come out until two years from, and furthermore one thread shouldnt be made for pure speculation when in fact we have a thread that does that anyways..the HP Thread ;).

[atrufan14]

looks like we are nearing the end of this thread :(.

[smallvillefanforlife]

oh whats happening here the HP thread got closed and no one is using this one

[Summers]

I have no idea :(.

[smallvillefanforlife]

and sierra got banned this is sad well if there was no more need for specualtion why didnt they just close this one and keep the other one

[Xcalibur]

This one will probably be closed soon since the book is already out.

[Summers]

Plus how are we going to discuss the new movie :(, or anything new in the Potterverse.

[smallvillefanforlife]

i know this sucks maybe we can talk to one of the mods ad they can change their mind casue after this we have no where to talk about HP

[ProudPenny]

Chill. We said "just for a while."

And I agree that this thread is no longer necessary, either.