Firefly (TV Series)

[KKrazy]

So, who misses it???? Don't worry, there is a "Firefly" movie coming out!!!! Anyone else knows what this one is about?

[Big Albowski]

I can't wait to see what Joss comes up with for the movie! I heard it was supposed to involve the Reavers in some way! The DVD of the series comes out next week and can't wait to get it!
There is supposed to be a "cameo" of Serenity in the Battlestar Galactica mini-series... a quick flyover about 15 or 20 minutes in!

Al

[LJC]

I am all. about. Firefly. See? (http://www.loony-archivist.com/firefly) Spent the last year pretty much obsessing over it. Can't WAIT for my DVDs to arrive.

[nexgod]

WELL AT LEAST SOME good news for Joss Whedon

http://www.firefly*********/news.asp?newsid=473

[Big Albowski]

You can't keep a good show down! I can't wait to see Serenity!!

Al

[nexgod]

yep shame about 2005 though

[aXem]

Has anyone seen this show?

Is it worth me buying the DVD?

[Big Albowski]

I believe there is a thread for this in the other TV shows forum!
But anyway...
Love the show!!!!!!
And for my money.... YES... the DVDs were well worth it!

Al

[SMLVLFAN89]

I dont know about the show, but the bugs are cool. ;)

[smallvillekiddio]

i have only see the 5 eps and already i am obseesed. how amazing is this shOW???

[HalJordan4184]

Firefly wqas awesome. I can't wait for the movie to come out this september. One of my favorite eppies is jaynestown. The movie, Serenity, looks so freaking awesome. I can't wait.

[nexgod]

i liked ariel

[veinsofman]

How amazing?

Its too amazing for words to describe!

I hope the movie will be a big hit and Joss becomes a super powerful dude in Hollywood.

[Summers]

we just have to wait until September 30th for the movie

[nexgod]

that sucks you know :p

i want it NOW!

[smallvillekiddio]

whos everyones fav.charactor? mines Book-he was so intresting.

[HalJordan4184]

River, definately river. SHe's so cool. With her powers they never got to fully explore, and how smart she was. THat and i think she was hot too. Hehehe.

[smallvillekiddio]

i loved the ep where river and book discussed the bible. "keep walking preacher man":rotfl: :rotfl:

[Big Albowski]

Firefly is great and having to wait until September for Serenity is torturous!!!!
My faves are Kaylee and Mal!

Al

[MBCorp]

Firefly was absolutely brilliant and I still can't believe that it was cancelled. Grrr. It did have a horrible time slot though, Friday at 8:00 if I remember right. I can't wait for the movie to come out, I hope it makes globs of money. My favorite characters were River and Simon because they were both so interesting and there was a weird mystery behind them.

[Vortigun]

Bah... it was cancelled mainly because of the stupidity of the network.

The two-hour pilot episode, fully introducing all nine charactors and their situations was cancelled because they network didn't like it. Joss had to write a new pilot AND second episode (as it had to be aired first and continue from the actual pilot) over just one weekend.

It was also put on the Fox channel, when it would have done much better on the Sci-Fi channel. Dispite brilliant reviews from respected critics the audience just didn't respond to it because it was on the wrong channel and they couldn't connect with the pilot that actually aired.

Irony at its finest.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Here we can talk about Firefly the TV series and the upcoming movie Serenity.

If you want to discuss Serenity you can go here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1286860#post1286860

[Thanks Summers]

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Fav Character - Mal.

Fav Episode - The Pilot and Jaynesville.

Fav. Recurring Character - Mal's wife.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Is Mal the pilot?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Mal is the main character. Captain Mal Reynolds, owner of the Firefly class ship - the details I'm vaguely remembering.

But he's only one of the main characters with the cast of 8, it's a very scattered yet well put together show.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Thanks my favorites have to be:
1st - the mechanic girl
2nd - the pilot
3rd - Mal

What's Jaynesville about?

[roman1967]

I just got introduced to Firefly, and love it (borrowed a friend's DVDs). Too bad Fox cancelled it after less than a season. It deserved more.

My favorite character would have to be Kaylee (Mechanic Girl)

Jaynesville was hilarious. After a job gone bad a few years back (Jayne had to ditch the money taken), he returns to the planet to find he is a folk-hero (think "Robin Hood").

Probably my favorite episode would be "Objects in Space". River is pretty damn cool in that episode.

And I can't wait for Serenity.

[TMLS]

My biggest question about Firefly is... when is TMLS' BROTHER going to get the DVD so that I can watch it? ;););)

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by TMLS
My biggest question about Firefly is... when is TMLS' BROTHER going to get the DVD so that I can watch it? ;););)

Ordered it yesterday :D

[TMLS]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
Ordered it yesterday :D

Good Lad

[Hollykins]

i love firefly lots Simon and River and definatly my favourite characters

i actually just made a load of firefly icons on my livejournal

hollycore xx

[Summers]

I bought the boxset, and I'm just watching it now. Thus far I watched the first three episodes, so dont give me spoilers. I love it. I love how Joss Whedon puts this sense of friendship in all of his shows, and all of his characters are so different. Such as:
Wash-is the funny man
Jayne-another funny man but in a tough way
and so forth

I love the clothes they put on Mal, Simon, and Inard(sp?). They look very good on all of them. I love Mal's coat :).

River is interesting. I really got into her character in "Bushwacked" especially when she was just staring at the stars in amazement like a child while Simon is all scared lol.

Kaylee I love too because she is sweet. She sees the goodness in people. Joss totally had me when I thought Kaylee died in "Serenity". I mean at first I thought she wasnt dead because Joss loves to play the audience, but then I thought of all the surprise deaths he pulled on Buffy and Angel. That was excellent.

The Rivters(sp?) I'm already scared of. Sometimes what you dont see is scary enough.

Its so cute when the crew was playing basketball.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Since you asked - Inara and Reavers.

Not really a spoiler, but the movie is going to deal with River's secrets.

[Summers]

Well, she is knows things about the Alliance that's for sure.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I got the DVD boxset today :D going to start watching them tommorrow

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I don't say too much but wait until she one of the last episodes, it focuses directly on her and how she literally deals. The first half plays out through River's P.O.V.

[Summers]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
I got the DVD boxset today :D going to start watching them tommorrow

I have a feeling you my beat me on finishing the series faster. I take my time with boxsets :lol:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
I got the DVD boxset today :D going to start watching them tommorrow

Glad to hear it TMlS' Brother.

Jinx, Mel.;)

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I don't say too much but wait until she one of the last episodes, it focuses directly on her and how she literally deals. The first half plays out through River's P.O.V.

I'm glad you didnt. I only went into spoilers once in the whole entire Jossverse.

One episode looks neat of Mal getting his crew in a series of flashbacks.

Kaylee was funny in the teaser "Now I cant get down" lol.

Man, Ken from Buffy died again :eek:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, Ken's death record just keeps raising excluding the Bachelor Party episode of Angel.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Summers
I have a feeling you my beat me on finishing the series faster. I take my time with boxsets :lol:.

I watch a TV series in a few days.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

That's the way it was for me on the 6 remaining episodes of TRU CALLING. Finished it in under 3 days. Of course, small number.

[Summers]

You'll beat me lol. Maybe unless I do a disc each day.

I got another Buffyverse actor. Remember in "Who Are You?" and Angel's "Santuary"? The men going after Faith for the Watcher's Council. One of them was one of the guys after poor River.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by Summers
You'll beat me lol. Maybe unless I do a disc each day.

I got another Buffyverse actor. Remember in "Who Are You?" and Angel's "Santuary"? The men going after Faith for the Watcher's Council. One of them was one of the guys after poor River.

It's been a while since I've seen both episodes but I think I know who you're talking about.

[Summers]

He's skinny. Has an accent, and some black hair on his noggin. Wesley darted him with a needle in "Santuary" I believe.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, I remember now.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
I'm glad you didnt. I only went into spoilers once in the whole entire Jossverse.

One episode looks neat of Mal getting his crew in a series of flashbacks.

Kaylee was funny in the teaser "Now I cant get down" lol.

Man, Ken from Buffy died again :eek:.

Heh, Ken!

"Wanna see my impression of Ghandi?"
"Ghandi?"
"Well.. he was really, pissed off.."

I can't wait for Serenity to come out! To get me even more hyped up, I finished watching Firefly for like the millionth time today.

Oh, please, I need a Joss Whedon show on TV. (As "School Hard" is going on behind me)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The Flashback episode is great in its own right. One of my favorites. Goes into so much detail on each of the characters and gives us a real-up close look at Mal.

[Summers]

Well, I saw "Shindig"(sp?), so cute. So Jane Espenson writing. I cant believe how sweet Kaylee was with her pink dress. All those men around her at he ball reminded me of Gone With The Wind, but Kaylee isnt shallow like Scarlet lol.

The swordfight was neat because it really went into how fighting is an art.

Safe was also neat was well. To see Simon and River as little kids....awww. One of the things I love is how the Jossverse does flashbacks.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

And it only get better as the season progresses.

Jane Espenson and Douglas Petrie actually ended up going over Tru Calling there for a while.

[aqua]

Jane and Doug *sigh* Some of my favorite writers..

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I'm a classic Buffy kind of guy - Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt. My all time favorites.

[Summers]

I love all the writers from Joss Whedon to Rebecca Rand Krishner. They are really nice people who really love and care for the characters.

What I love about Firefly is that they use a lingo just like the Buffyverse. Where instead of cussing they said this foreign Asian language which is neat. You can tell they are saying something.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

One of my favorite discussions with you, Mel lol.

[Summers]

:lol: It was interesting.

I had to ask Derek two things about the show. The language was one of them lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

((Looks around. Seems like we're it here.))

Now, you just gotta where the rest of Josser's are at.

[VersesBatman]

There's an incentive to watch Batman Begins. The Serenity trailer is shown first.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
I love all the writers from Joss Whedon to Rebecca Rand Krishner. They are really nice people who really love and care for the characters.

Jane! Doug! Drew! Drew! Heck, even Marti!

I wish that Smallville had those kind of writers. :\

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

SV has Jeph Loeb but beyond that they're nowhere near the leagues that is Buffy, even though one of the writers of Buffy came on for a season - Third I believe.

I went to BB twice and didn't see a trailer for SERENITY but I already it saved to my harddrive. So it really doesn't matter.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
Jane! Doug! Drew! Drew! Heck, even Marti!

I wish that Smallville had those kind of writers. :\

Me too :(. Doug and Jane are so cute on the commentaries. Hearing from the writers you know they disagree, but they are family.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

What and Rob and Des Hotel who went on to co-create THAT 70S SHOW after they did the first two seasons of Buffy. Now, that was a great team of writers.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
SV has Jeph Loeb but beyond that they're nowhere near the leagues that is Buffy, even though one of the writers of Buffy came on for a season - Third I believe.

I went to BB twice and didn't see a trailer for SERENITY but I already it saved to my harddrive. So it really doesn't matter.

Yea, Drew(the newbie Drew) came on aboard and wrote "Slumber" and "Truth" which kinda paralleled "Nightmares" and "Earshot"...sort of.

IMO AlMiles are great writers. They really are, and Millar did an excellent job of directing "Memoria". They just need to be better bosses IMO.

I havent seen the Serenity trailer yet. Remember John said he saw it on opening week. I hope they have this weekend.

Aww...look at Derek's avi. Marc looks so cute :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Thanks, Mel...found it somewhere online not too long ago.

Suits the character you put me under well.

How far are you into the DVD?

[Summers]

I'm on the Mrs. Reynolds one right now.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

One of my favorites. Mal is out of place there, but like always I won't ruin it for you.

You're defintely getting into the meat of the series and what will make it more complex. There's a killer River episode coming up.

[Summers]

The latest news about the Serenity magazine
It's done! There will be a Serenity magazine!
http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=23471

It'll be out in September.

Sci-fi sneak preview is a hit
http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=23406

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

More news lol.

The closer we get, the more it appears.

[yellowqueen22]

I was lucky enough to see Serenity in post-production... although unlucky enough to have missed meeting and chatting with Joss by a few minutes... it looks really great. The trailer is also amazing.

[Summers]

:eek:

How? Tell..tell..please :)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by Summers
:eek:

How? Tell..tell..please :)

Jaw drops.

[yellowqueen22]

I live a block away from the WB studios and I'm there all the time... so I kind of just got in. Talked to the sound editor for a while and got to sit around watching for a bit. I was so thrilled. Then he actually said to me somthing along the lines of "oh... your a big fan... too bad you didn't show up earlier... Joss was here and would have loved to talk to you." After that I was a little crushed... to know I came that close.... but no worries... it was still great.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I can't wait to see it. Sept. seems like an eternity.

[yellowqueen22]

Sorry... didn't see the actual movie... just them working on it... didn't try to throw you off.

[aqua]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
What and Rob and Des Hotel who went on to co-create THAT 70S SHOW after they did the first two seasons of Buffy. Now, that was a great team of writers.

I loved them as writers. wrote on of my fav. season two episodes, "Phases." Didn't care for "Killed by Death," but that's another story.


Originally posted by Summers
The latest news about the Serenity magazine
It's done! There will be a Serenity magazine!
http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=23471

It'll be out in September.

Sci-fi sneak preview is a hit
http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=23406

Magazine! Weeee!

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Either way it still rocks.

[yellowqueen22]

Yes... I was pretty excited. Because I live so close I get to hear and see so much related to the series. The protesters outside my window... protesting the cancellation of Angel. My friends calling me from the local karaoke bar saying that they met SMG, FP Jr & Seth Green... who were there after shooting Scoobie Doo 2... but I have never myself had these encounters.

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I live a block away from the WB studios and I'm there all the time... so I kind of just got in. Talked to the sound editor for a while and got to sit around watching for a bit. I was so thrilled. Then he actually said to me somthing along the lines of "oh... your a big fan... too bad you didn't show up earlier... Joss was here and would have loved to talk to you." After that I was a little crushed... to know I came that close.... but no worries... it was still great.

*jaw drops*

Lucky.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Completely agree. Lucky.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
I loved them as writers. wrote on of my fav. season two episodes, "Phases." Didn't care for "Killed by Death," but that's another story.


I loved "Killed By Death". It kinda scared me since the demon only went after children. We got to saw little Buffy, and her fear of hospitals. It was interesting to see Buffy vulerable physically which is rare. Just too cute Trio moments.


Originally posted by yellowqueen22
Yes... I was pretty excited. Because I live so close I get to hear and see so much related to the series. The protesters outside my window... protesting the cancellation of Angel. My friends calling me from the local karaoke bar saying that they met SMG, FP Jr & Seth Green... who were there after shooting Scoobie Doo 2... but I have never myself had these encounters.

They met SMG, FP Jr. and SG. Omg, that would a dream come true for me :D.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
I loved "Killed By Death". It kinda scared me since the demon only went after children. We got to saw little Buffy, and her fear of hospitals. It was interesting to see Buffy vulerable physically which is rare. Just too cute Trio moments.

I dunno, after "Passion," it seemed wayyy too anticlimatic. The latter of season two, I only liked episodes, it seemed, with Spike and Dru.

The demon was exteremly creepy! Another thing, I thought it was killed way too easily. But my favorite part was the development of Cordelia/Xander. Showed that she's actually a real person, not just some Barbie doll.

[yellowqueen22]

Yeah... one of my friends is a great singer... so FP Jr. and him sang together... at least so he tells me. But a lot of WB celebs are known to frequent this bar on off-nights because it is so close to the WB studios.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The Nightmare on Elm Street Demon LOL.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Just watched ep. 1,2,3. Now wayching four didn't remember how good the first ep. is.

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
Yeah... one of my friends is a great singer... so FP Jr. and him sang together... at least so he tells me. But a lot of WB celebs are known to frequent this bar on off-nights because it is so close to the WB studios.

I heard about a bar in Buffy's early days. The cast would go drink there during the first season, but Sarah had to remind them that she was still underage so she couldnt.

I wonder if this is the same bar.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
The Nightmare on Elm Street Demon LOL.

Oh, he creeped me. How he did his arms, white eyes, and after little kids. Ryan's picture of Buffy killing the demon was funny :lol:.


Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
Just watched ep. 1,2,3. Now wayching four didn't remember how good the first ep. is.

This is a first I'm ahead of you :eek:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Anyone betting on Mel? LOL.

[yellowqueen22]

Originally posted by Summers
I heard about a bar in Buffy's early days. The cast would go drink there during the first season, but Sarah had to remind them that she was still underage so she couldnt.

I wonder if this is the same bar.


Highly unlikely... this bar is in Burbank by the WB... but the Buffy didn't tape at the WB studios.

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
Highly unlikely... this bar is in Burbank by the WB... but the Buffy didn't tape at the WB studios.

Your right. I keep confusing the two. I have a tendency of doing that when it comes to studios lol.

Buffy was in the warehouses.

[aqua]

The warehouses *sigh* I loved hearing on almost every commentary "And we shoot in these damn warehouses! :lol:

[Summers]

Man, they hated those warehouses especially in S7 with the sewer and hellmouth set. It got really hot in there.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

What ep of Firefly you on?

When you likely to finish it?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Small price to pay for great television.

[Summers]

Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
What ep of Firefly you on?

When you likely to finish it?

I'm on episode 6 with Mrs.Reynolds in the title.

I dont know. Hopefully this week. I want to go into my Director's Cut Dawn of the Dead dvd.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I almost forgot you had. Of course, the story is coming back Dawn of the Dead Remake or Daredevil Director's Cut lol.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Summers
I'm on episode 6 with Mrs.Reynolds in the title.

I dont know. Hopefully this week. I want to go into my Director's Cut Dawn of the Dead dvd.

I'm about to start ep. 5.

The original D ofthe D?

[yellowqueen22]

yeah... Buffy wasn't shot in a studio... it was shot in warehouses by Santa Monica... which is why James was always singing & playing his guitar at local Santa Monica bars... Santa Monica is down by the beaches while WB studios is up in Burbank (begining of the valley). Also... Fox produced the show and their studios are in the city... not in Burbank with Universal, Warner Brothers, and CBS.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I almost forgot you had. Of course, the story is coming back Dawn of the Dead Remake or Daredevil Director's Cut lol.

I know I was like which one do I pick....hmmm.


Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
I'm about to start ep. 5.

The original D ofthe D?

remake with Sarah Polley and Ving Rhames.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

And Paramount held the sets for Angel.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Summers
remake with Sarah Polley and Ving Rhames.

From last year?

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
yeah... Buffy wasn't shot in a studio... it was shot in warehouses by Santa Monica... which is why James was always singing & playing his guitar at local Santa Monica bars... Santa Monica is down by the beaches while WB studios is up in Burbank (begining of the valley). Also... Fox produced the show and their studios are in the city... not in Burbank with Universal, Warner Brothers, and CBS.

Yea, I remember now. I had information overload lol.


Originally posted by TMLS' BROTHER
From last year?

That's the one.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

That was quite a good movie from what I remember.

I plan to finish Firefly tommorrow. Started it tonight.

[Summers]

I loved it. It was a really good zombie movie.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The original is superior, but I'm not going to intrude.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Don't really watch zombie movies i've only seen Resident Evil 1 & 2 and Dawn of the dead


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
The original is superior, but I'm not going to intrude.

No intrusion

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

www.deadtrilogy.freeservers.com

My website dedicated to Romero's DEAD movies.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
The original is superior, but I'm not going to intrude.

Why would you intrude? Its your opinion. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Still formality on my part. Old parts of me, die-hard.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Whats the best zombie movie?

(Great avatars LLM and Summers BTW)

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Still formality on my part. Old parts of me, die-hard.

I know, but we know you enough where you wouldnt flame anyone with a different opinion. That's why this forum is so great. We can disagree, but respect each other's opinions.

IMO the new Dawn of the Dead.

Thanks, TMLS :)

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by Summers
I know, but we know you enough where you wouldnt flame anyone with a different opinion. That's why this forum is so great. We can disagree, but respect each other's opinions.

IMO the new Dawn of the Dead.

Thanks, TMLS :)

Have you read the last SFX it's got a whole section on a new zombie movie. ____ of the dead (Can't remember what it's called)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Land of the Dead. Nope.

I'm going to see that Wednesday or Thursday.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I thought it was in prodution. obviously not

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Just released it here. They finished production one week early.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Oh. http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0418819/releaseinfo

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

You're not too far behind on the list.

At least you get to see the Doctor on time.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

:D yeah but the UK is the last on the list :(

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I know that sucks, but it was that way with us when it came down to Shaun of the Dead. You all had the DVD, while we were still waiting for a theaterical release.

[Big Albowski]

THIS IS NOT A CHATROOM!!!!!
Back on topic (Firefly btw!) or this will be closed!

Al

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Oops, oh well, back to FIREFLY. LOL.

How do you all think it will tie into the film?

[nexgod]

A lot. It's Joss Whedon. Duh :p

[Summers]

Well, I finished Disc 2.

"Our Mrs.Reynolds" was funny. I thought those two girls were going to kiss, but then saying "your good". Inard covering it up she kissed Mal :lol:. Plus now we know a little about Mal's past.

"Jaynestown" was funny as well. The song had me lol :lol:. Kaylee and Simon finally got their feeling out in the open. I thought it was so sweet of Simon saying he is being proper as a sign of respect to Kaylee...aww. They also referenced Earth's Egyptian history :eek: :D. It was one of the first things I thought of about that planet, and Firefly crew looking at Jayne's statue :lol:.

Book's hair looked like Don King :lol:. What was very interesting was Book and River's talk of the Bible.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

2 more to go and 3 months until the movie comes out.

[Summers]

Speaking of the movie:

Serenity gets PG-13

Yes, it's right... Serenity gets PG-13!

"Serenity" Gets PG-13: As noted by someone on the official 'Versal board's chat room', the official Serenity website now lists the movie as having been rated PG-13 by the MPAA.

Source: whedonesque


Which is good. That's the biggest revenue bracket now.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I could told you that by the trailer alone. Joss doesn't do R and besides that he's picking up a TV show, very rarely do TV shows to Film gain an R though the X-Files: Fight the Future came very close for profanity at one point, but the dialogue was cut down and stripped before the movie was shot.

[Summers]

I know that lol. Still, its Serenity news ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, true. Busines aspect taking over again.

[Summers]

I noticed lol. You sounded very business like in that post :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Old habits continue to die hard and no, I'm not talking about the Bruce Willis flick.

Though how that and Firefly mesh are beyond me at the moment.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Just finished Firefly not bad under 24 hours.

Favorite Ep. - TIE between Serenity and Objects in space
Favorite Character - Kaylee

[Summers]

See, I knew you would be done before me :lol:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

What about all the extra features -- I know there's only one disc worth, but we all have to take in the joy of those.

[Summers]

For some reason I cant find the commentaries :confused:. They are the episode menu right?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Go into the audio section on the episodes. It'll be there.

[Summers]

Audio section. They have an audio section.

Adam in London
http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=23539

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

If there's not an audio selection, it's in one of the menu options. You're not losing your mind, Mel. It's there and it's clearly labelled. The Audio Selection is the only one that comes to mind if not check check Scene Selction or the other option.

[Summers]

Thanks, I'll check. I'm just use to the commentaries being directly on the episode menu.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

They've just altered it slightly for the Firefly set for some reason. Not sure why, but they did. I was struck by the same thing when I went into it.

[Summers]

I like how they set-up Angel and BtVS dvds more. On the SV dvds I want to skip the main credits, but they have very few chapters in one episode. I think there is only five chapters per episode on the SV ones.

But having cases for the discs make sense since it was so short.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Defintely makes it easier and more satisfatying. I'd prefer that all the box sets be like Firefly in design. I get tired of opening up my box sets and bending and folding, bending and folding until I get to the disc that I actually want. I have two of S5 Angel's discs sitting out and waiting so I don't have to dig.

[Summers]

I love the opening of the box sets, and then I dont. I love the cover art, but I have stretch them out to get to the farther discs which doggies tend to think they can step on.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I have the same problem with the cats that dominate the household. Firefly, in my opinion, got it right without messing up the Buffy or Angel boxsets.

[Summers]

Who makes the menus on these box sets? Why would SV only have 5 chapters on one episode while Buffyverse as far more.

There is a big difference in how they design them.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

All of them are made by different companies. Firefly was designed specifically by one of Fox's DVD offices (same goes for Buffy and Angel) and SV had one of WB's DVD offices designing it. In the end, it always comes down to the distributors of the stuff.

[Summers]

WB IMO needs better designers lol.

Thanks.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

No problem as always. Just think of it as our cycle of information.

[Summers]

Exactly, that's why I know I can always go to you on the business stuff I have no knowledge about :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Same goes for the mythology past my black out history as I like to dub it.

[Summers]

I'm just glad I'm disc 3 now. River seems to make a lot of improvement mentally since the pilot.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I don't want to say too much again, but it will keep getting better until we reach the film.

[Summers]

I was impressed how far along River came when she talked to Book about The Bible.

She kinda reminds me of Pylea Fred.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

That's the best comparsion but she is enhanced on so many different levels.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
What about all the extra features -- I know there's only one disc worth, but we all have to take in the joy of those.

I'm probably watching them Thursday maybe tommorrow watching That '70s Show season 2 at the moment.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Seen every episode of THAT '70's SHOW to present in reruns and the like.

Seems like we would get a soundtrack for Firefly and Serenity on down the road at some point. I know Serenity will have one, but we might have to wait on Firefly.

[Summers]

They might just put "Firefly" soundtrack in the "Serenity" soundtrack.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Seen every episode of THAT '70's SHOW to present in reruns and the like.

Seems like we would get a soundtrack for Firefly and Serenity on down the road at some point. I know Serenity will have one, but we might have to wait on Firefly.

That '70s show is Great only a few episodes I haven't seen.

A soundtrack for Firefly would be good.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

We've got Three Buffy's and now Angel, Serenity is a gurantee, now we just need that and Joss will probably do it at some point.

I want a copy of Joss' take on the Theme. I loved listening to it on the Special Features portion of the series.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I'm wondering if Serenity will be a hit or not I hope it is so they may make a sequel or maybe a new TV show.

[Summers]

The test screenings are doing really well. They might let it come out earlier. Plus Sci-Fi has good fanbase, and a Jossverse fanbase as well. Well, see.

Personally, I also want an instrutmental Buffy soundtrack like Angel's is. I love how they dont always use songs, but the score is important(plus not-so popular bands give the show a feel as well).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

That was Joss' decision from the get-go as along as the indpendent bands supported the sound and atmosphere of the show. Angel was almost all instrutmental, when it came down to unless you count karoke and Lorne doing his thing.

They do need to release a Buffy instrutmental.

I was off by one - Once More with a Feeling, Radio Sunnydale, Buffy (TV) and Buffy (Movie.)

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
That was Joss' decision from the get-go as along as the indpendent bands supported the sound and atmosphere of the show. Angel was almost all instrutmental, when it came down to unless you count karoke and Lorne doing his thing.

They do need to release a Buffy instrutmental.

I was off by one - Once More with a Feeling, Radio Sunnydale, Buffy (TV) and Buffy (Movie.)

Yea, I know the music department always said it was Joss's decision on the style of bands on BtVS. Having so much pop-songs on 90210, Dawson's Creek, and SV its a nice change of pace for me.

Your counting the movie? If its just tv show its three.

I just love the intrutmentals on Jossverse shows. Cant get enough, and instrutmentals from movie/tv are great music to listen to when doing schoolwork to me.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Scattered music fan here, but it defintely gets some serious play. I actually talked my media show into playing "Teenage FBI" from the first soundtrack.

[Summers]

I'm scattered as well from hard rock to instrutmentals.

That's a great song. I wish they played that song on an episode with Riley in it.

On Firefly a definite western feel to it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Definte western with a mix of chinese-japanese and some techno. Really a solid mix of a futuristic western.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Does the 1h 30m ep. Serenity count as one ep. or two?

[greenshady]

I see we have a Firefly thread going now.
And Summers, glad to see you watching it.
I'm actually on disc three for about....I don't really know how many times I've watched the series now.

I've always counted the episode Serenity as one episode. There's no break or anything to let us know any different. Though, it may be.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It was originally meant to be released that way and it would play seperately in syndication if it came down to it.

Hey green, short time no see.

[greenshady]

Oh, a little off subject, but I got your Oz email. I'll have to read that soon.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

What did everyone think of the serenity trailer?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Take your time. I'll be sending you Episode Two Thursday along with everyone else.

Bringing everything back on topic, I had to get Firefly as soon as it came out on DVD back in December. I was still working at Home Depot at the time and as soon as I had a window to go over to Borders I took the chance and bought it. I love this show as much as Buffy and Angel.

[greenshady]

I actually think Firefly had more potential than I ever thought Buffy would in it's first season. Angel was already kind of set, with 3 season of Buffy backing it. Firefly could've had as good a run as Buffy, and hopefully we'll get something more than just 1 movie out of it.

My sister even loves Firefly just as much, and she's all about the relationships on television. But, we never got that far with Firefly, really.

Oh, and the Serenity trailer looks great!

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I thikn Firefly should have got a second season instaed of a movie but at least we got a movie :D

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

FOX cancelled it because it was pulling in the numbers that they wanted. The movie came out of the idea of not being able to complete the season in particular and it will be wrapping those loose threads. 14 episodes is by no means a complete season for anything on FOX.

I think the movie is actually a step up in some aspects. We get to see higher budget effects and more worlds than we would be able to see on a budgeted TV show.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

There have been rumors of Joss picking up the series with one character or a couple of characters from the movie for a while, but I think it'll fall on the wayside for a while with Wonder Woman on the schedule.

Not that it's not a possibility.

[Summers]

Originally posted by greenshady
I actually think Firefly had more potential than I ever thought Buffy would in it's first season. Angel was already kind of set, with 3 season of Buffy backing it. Firefly could've had as good a run as Buffy, and hopefully we'll get something more than just 1 movie out of it.


The difference in that parallel is Joss and his writers finally felt comfortable, and knew what to do. I mean Joss calls BtVS his graduate school for his crew and cast. Which it was. They knew more what to do in Firefly as compared to the first season BtVS.

IMO Its not a fair parallel.

I did finish Disc 3, and I was almost done with "Heart of Gold" until my batteries on my dvd portable went out. Hence recharging.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

That truly sucks, but thank heavens for recharging capability.

It may not be fair, but it runs right there with the others. If it had been running as long as the other series I could see a fair comparsion coming.

[Summers]

Still if you think about recharging is less than buying new batteries :D.

I agree to an extent, however; Firefly to me isnt in the same gendre as BtVS and AtS. Its easy to compare to the two Buffyverse shows, but Firefly is differently thematically and sci-fi orientated.

When I watch I cant help, but compare it to Star Trek. With that comparison I like Firefly more because the characters dont seem too distant. On Star Trek there was a distant with the characters because of the protocal of characters. On Firefly they are more human to me.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It's still genre television as much as I hate to classify it. Intelligent, character-driven genre television, unlike some of the shows that the networks pick up.

That's just how I see them, even though I believe Joss stuff is defintely on a completely different level than most of TV. TRU CALLING isn't far behind it.

I like to think of BUFFY, ANGEL and FIREFLY as the genre WEST WING.

[Summers]

In my strange noggin. I put fantasy separate from sci-fi. They are two different gendre in my mind. I dont how I came up with that conclusion lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The catch to being an English major is sadly, you end up classifying certain details but like I said Buffy, Angel, Firefly and Tru Calling in my mind are superior TV.

Tru is in there for the fact that it deals with life and death on a intelligent level and questions the motives of fate, while having strong character interaction between characters and cast just like Buffy.

[Summers]

I do them in as superior tv, but in comparing its hard to an extent to me.

I mean I compare SV to BtVS in no flat. We done it many times venting on SV trying to understand the things they do without fanwanking it lol.

I just cant do it with Firefly and other Jossverse shows.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Jossverse is Jossverse.

Tru is indirectly inspired by the Jossverse since two of the writers were actively aboard as co-producers for the series.

That's how I see the connection for that series in particular.

When it comes down to SV, you only have one writer that came aboard and wrote one maybe two episodes of the show. Joss has set a certain standard for the WB shows and SV is following the footsteps. It's genre TV as well, but it's not superior to Buffy. I think it attempts to be but the romance aspects and continuity make SV stumble.

[Summers]

Jossverse is Jossverse on how they style their characters, dialogue, action, and continuity. I mean all three of his shows share those basic elements that are a glue to stick to.

I can see that a lot in Firefly. Its like Joss-style.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The only Firefly is missing is all the references to society and culture - focused towards movie, tv, music, etc. but since it's so far in the future I don't think that detail really matters.

[Summers]

Nope. Plus I dont think it would fit, but their historical references do.

I mean how would Mal know about Clint Eastwood lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Maybe pull a Futurama, but like our discussion long ago, I think people are their entertainment hence the bars and constant use of the hangouts. We have all the technology, but people are getting use to themselves against since the Galaxy is Post-Civil and very Reconstruction.

People are just rebuilding their lives and I very much doubt these people have ever heard of DVD or VHS in centuries, even though they have the technological capability of it.

Serenity's crew is too worried about getting by day to day instead of finding stuff like that.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

About to start the Firefly extra's finished That '70s Show ealier (With extra's) then will probably watch Firefly again see if I missed anything.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

There's plently going on in the show, just watching for the details about the Alliance and the Reavers only could tide one over until the film comes up.

Just from my one viewing alone --

The Federation extends to certain points but is not willing to extend its basis.

Reavers never seem to stop, they'll keep going and it's possible to cross them anywhere in the galaxy.

Minor stuff like that goes a long way in Firefly.

[Summers]

Do we ever see the Reavers?

Might I say there is a lot more nudity in the third disc. I mean Mal was nude :eek:. I think he had a tattoo on his upper thigh.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I warned you.

Reavers are never visually seen, but I think we get a peek at one in the trailer, but I can't confirm nor deny that particular detail. Purely speculation.

[Summers]

You did. I just didnt know how much of the nudity...hehe.

It would be neat to see a Reaver in the movie, or just hints of them.

There was Buffy alumi in that those episodes though. Knox/Holden the Vampire(I knew he was it), but didnt expect him to be nude too lol. The Biker Boss from "Bargaining" on Buffy was Mal's friend. Mrs. French from "Teacher's Pet" was in it too.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, you asked me about the sexuality of the show a while back since you wanted to let your sisters view it with you and I gave you a full list of the details down to the sexuality in the episodes - particulary the opening of Inara and her first visual job and there on.

[Summers]

Interesting thing on the sexuality you really have to see it. I mean was ready for it on some of them, but others I wasnt. It was executed really well, and they made sense with the storylines. So it wasnt bad, but honestly I dont think my sisters would go or ready for Firefly.

They loved Titan A.E., but this could be different. I see them likeing Kaylee, Simon, and River. But I dont know yet.

To change topic.

I was actually waiting to see Jayne betray Simon and River.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think when you come down to Jayne, he's a big softie with a shoulder canon. He'll play the bad guy but he won't betray anybody on Serenity. I mean this literally - just remember how he played himself out with the gun that we thought he was going to shoot Mal with and he ended up wanting to trade it and how guility he felt about Jaynestown.

[Summers]

Not anymore, but he did though.

Plus River saying "I can kill you with my brain" will make him think twice. And I think she can.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

He's dominated by money, but he realizes that the crew is there for him. Mal has bailed him out too many times.

He's the muscle of the team and everyone knows that.

[Summers]

He is I think his body says that for him lol.

It was gross to see those men after River with their weapons. It was so gross, and made my eyes water looking at it with the blood going through their nose and eyes.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The power of almighty River. They create the weapon and it turns against them.

[Summers]

Uh, I havent seen it. I just saw "Ariel" to see the weapon lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I was refering to River, actually. Just wait until you see the series finale...River is the main target.

[Summers]

Okay, I thought that was happened in the finale.

I sort of assumed River's arc is the most finale lead-up.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Inara and Mal's relationship also come front and center in the episode as well.

The Merc we see in the trailer is also the merc in the episode going after River.

[Summers]

Before my batteries ran out I saw Inara cry when she knew Mal and Mrs.French slept together :(.

In "War Stories" it was so sweet seeing Kaylee and River playing. They are like sisters. I was shocked to see Mal's first meeting with Kaylee was right after she had sex with the mechanic :eek:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It suits the situation - yeah, it was weird having a meeting like that, but Kaylee knew her stuff and Mal cares for his crew. If they screw up, he's tempted to action, but he'll support them when he has to.

[Summers]

Operative word "has". It still was weird. To be honest I didnt think Kaylee had sex.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Kaylee is still wild at heart, she's got a sense of innoncence about her, but I think she has the tendency to make rash decisions. At times, she has the temper of a child but I think River is more the child of the group. Kaylee is interested in the world, but doesn't fully have an understanding of it. She'll stumble and make mistakes as she goes and Mal is more or less trying to protect her, even though she is involved with them.

[Summers]

River is definitely the child. Kaylee seems more like the teenager.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

When come down to it, everyone plays a role on Serenity, either as a family member or as a person in the action of the series or both.

River and Simon -- Brother and Sister.
Kaylee -- Teenager.
Book -- Grandfather type, despite the fact that he denies it.
Mal -- Single Man in a relationship.
Jayne -- No affilations except loves to be with the ladies.
Inara -- More or less in a relationship with Mal.
Zoe and Wash -- Husband and Wife.

It's pretty diverse when you get into the relationships as well. I didn't even count Simon and Kaylee, defintely a strong shipper there.

[Summers]

Yea, I know. Its one of the Joss-styles. Its the same for BtVS and AtS. Everyone has there place, but they still progression within it. I got it right way.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It's kind of funny thinking of it now, I see a little ALIEN RESURRECTION in FIREFLY just slightly in design, but to say the least I'm with Joss - I hate that movie.

[Summers]

The Serenity's design reminds me of it. I just blocked out the rest lol.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

That movie was okay IMO. Listening to the commentary :eek:
great best commentary EVER.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It just wasn't either of their styles. It gave way to Buffy's rebirth though.

That and we have that great River coming from the cryo freeze and waking up suddenly that reminded me of the movie.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

What do people think of "Shindig"?

[Summers]

Thus far its one of my favorite episodes.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Completely agree.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I liked the whole sword fighting bit.

[Summers]

Me too. I loved the ballroom, and Kaylee was all dressed up :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The Flashback episode tops my list, Serenity, Jaynestown, Shindig and the Series Finale.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I really liked the Series Finale and the first ep. Serenity I would have liked to have seen Teh Reavers some more

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The Reavers are likely to appear in the movie, but I can confirm nor deny that. All I know is there is some weird looking creature in the trailer that I believe might be a Reaver.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

You said that on the last page. What do you think of the commentaries on Firefly?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I've only listened to the Pilot commentary and love them like Buffy and Angel commentaries.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I've listened to the first three The next two aren't as good :( but still good :)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think all the commentaries have something to distinct to say, they just may not be the episodes sometimes.

The Docs on Firefly are some of my favorites.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Only watched the coms will probably get to the rest of the extras tommorrow

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Like I said I recommend Joss take on the theme and the main documentary on the making of the show. Having the movie coming up makes it seem ironic, but it flows smoothly.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Joss hints at a movie in the pilot com. I noticed

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

To be honest, not to cross threads or anything, I think just about all of these shows could be turned into movies.

I'm already hoping for a sequel to Serenity and we haven't seen it.

[Summers]

If you think about each season in the Jossverse they are movies. At least to me they feel that way. Some episodes feel like I'm watching a movie.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think of them more as novels in volumes like they refer to Angel S3 DVDs.

[Summers]

Novels do turn into movies lol.

That's actually how I described Buffy. That every season is volume in a big series. You cannot read one, than you wont know the whole story.

With Firefly I dont how you would label.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

A half completed novel lol.

[Summers]

A mini-novel? lol

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Even better.

[greenshady]

A half short story. There was so much more story left.


Originally posted by Summers
The difference in that parallel is Joss and his writers finally felt comfortable, and knew what to do. I mean Joss calls BtVS his graduate school for his crew and cast. Which it was. They knew more what to do in Firefly as compared to the first season BtVS.

IMO Its not a fair parallel.

I did finish Disc 3, and I was almost done with "Heart of Gold" until my batteries on my dvd portable went out. Hence recharging.
Sorry, about the delay, you guys/girls have made it another five pages! I understand that the writers were definitely more comfortable. But, with that given, Firefly still seemed to have more potential than Buffy did to start with. I was just using another Joss show to have another show to compare it with. I was trying to say that the show had plenty of life left in it. You know me, I can never just get it out directly.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Evening, Justin. It's been a busy day on here.

Yeah, that's what makes the movie so worth while. It basically rebuilds the series for new fans but respects the old and builds on the mythos of the show.

[greenshady]

Evening to you too.
I've been waiting for Serenity for about 2 months now, ever since I first saw the trailer. That's what actually sparked something in me to go and buy the series on DVD. I'm already having Firefly-withdrawals. Heck, I'm just having Joss-withdrawals.
I guess I need to get some of the comics and novels, which I was supposed to have already done this summer.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The Serenity novel and screenplay should be coming out before the movie. So things will be looking up for our Firefly withdrawl shortly.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I found this:

Easter Egg: Go into the special fetures on Disk Four and go to the second page the icon should be on the gag reel press the up button on your remote the icon should dissapear press enter/play you should get a easter egg.

I've finished all the Extras now and the best commentary has to be the Joos/Natahan (sp?) from the pilot the series finally has to be the oddest its just Joss talking about himself. The gag reel :lol: those mustashes (sp?).

[Summers]

Originally posted by greenshady

Sorry, about the delay, you guys/girls have made it another five pages! I understand that the writers were definitely more comfortable. But, with that given, Firefly still seemed to have more potential than Buffy did to start with.

See, I disagree because IMO Buffy and Firefly had the same potential. They were something new and different with a vast amount of mythology we didnt know about. Buffy had a lot of potential in its first season, and it lived up to it and surpassed it because of the various elements to the show.

I just really think potential wise they were equal because they are both something new, and they went/could go into different directions.

Thanks, TMLS

[TMLS' BROTHER]

No prob. I just found it by accident and it's quite funny. :D

[Summers]

They are showing the movie's trailer on E! Coming Attractions. My sisters started to cheer when they saw the words "From the creator of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 'Angel'". Oh, we have Buffyverse pride :D.

Amazing CGI effects, and Serenity looks more detailed than anything.

One question I thought how in the heck did River learned martial arts?

That bounty hunter lived which was great. He scared the crap out of me.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

You learn in one of the episodes that everything comes naturally to River so thats probably like how did she learn to shoot a gun okay

[Summers]

I know I watched the episodes now. The gun came naturally because she said if she didnt see it would be easier. She used her telepathic skills to do that move.

But in the trailer River is kicking butt(which is cool) like a combo of Faith and Buffy together. I mean her skills were that of a high-esteemed artists. It was pure skill. Telepathic doesnt work that way. It assists you, but not in the skill.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I've seen the trailer maybe she picked up a few skills

[Summers]

That wasnt few. It was Neo in The Matrix type moves. Highly skilled.

The only thing I can think of is that she read the arts of it, and picked some stuff up from the crew.

I barely saw a shot of Kaylee and Simon :(.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Maybe. It was a while ago since i've seen it there was a link in the disscussions thread.

I glad were barely saw a shot of K & S.

So have you seen all the episodes know?

[Summers]

Your glad. I dont know I just expect to see a shot maybe of them holding each other, or something. They almost kissed in the finale.

Yea, saw every single one.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

I don't think Simons good enough for Kaylee I think she should be with Mal.

What did you think of the finale?

[Summers]

Mal is more of a big brother to Kaylee to me. She's like her Xander sort to speak.

Mal and Inara is more seen as becoming a ship.

It was pretty good. I knew right away where River was in the ship, but it was funny to see the Bounty Hunter sqirm(sp?).

One part that really scared me was the Bounty's violation threat to Kaylee. That scared me because as a woman its one of those things you do not want happen to you :(.

[TMLS' BROTHER]

squirm

I suppose. But shes a Pros. sorry companion. So I can't see her leaving here entire life just for him.