OMG . . . the Ship???

[bluehybrid69]

What the heck is that?? Is it another ship? What does this mean??

[i luv tom welling]

Holy crap!!

[lookingformylois]

holy crap is all you can say

[Lexgirl33]

HOLY CRAAAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!

[insp henderson]

Amazing, Best episode ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shy175223]

We have keep our swearing to a mimumm don't we???

[NightwingRobin85]

General Zod......or Brainic has arrived

[shy175223]

Or maybe the real Kara???

[Lexgirl33]

sorry about the swearing...i just couldnt contain myself

[Run]

Im...Speechless. Thats just...WOAH.

[GhostRider]

It's some sort of device I bet based one of the things from the comics; Eradicator or Brainiac and Lionel will be controlled by it.

[Lexgirl33]

ahhh nice idea ghostrider! he did seem like he was going to be controlled by something..cuase there was kryptonian in his eyes

[nemesis121]

The ship could be one of many things, could be that when the fragment was tainted with human blood the ship was created, or the fragment could be linked to the void where general zod is held, but I believe the ship was created when lana killed jason's mother and tainted the pureness of the fragment.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by GhostRider
It's some sort of device I bet based one of the things from the comics; Eradicator or Brainiac and Lionel will be controlled by it.

Yeah, that's probably what's going to happen! I remember people speculating about something arriving with the meteor shower and controlling Lionel, and it looks like they were right!

[mikemike]

i was told that every version of the superman has villains from the phantom zone that arrive... i think that is most likely what lana is witnessing in the spaceship.

is that what you all are talking about with general zod, brainiac, and kara?

-mike

[NightwingRobin85]

Maybe it is actually Krypto in the ship. :)

[crush41gb]

funny how the ship and the crystal CK threw to open the fortress were the same shape.. right? :P

[eolsunder]

well its a kryptonian ship, so it cant be braniac, since he wasnt kryptonian, nor imprisoned or captured by kryptonains. The ship was designed and shaped like the fortress of solitude key (superman logo shaped).

Jorel said that because the artifact was tainted by human blood, that the enemy from the darkness would come. By tainting the artifact, Lana caused the "ship" to be released towards earth, maybe as some sort of punishment should humans get ahead of the artifacts.

If it is General Zod and crew, then they werent imprisoned in the phantom zone, but imprisoned in the ship, and sealed away in the meteor. COOL!

But it could be some other sort of destructive presence/device. It obviously has someone inside, with the doors opening and all. But I can't think of it being braniac in anyway, since he didnt have any contact with krypton in that way.

[opera_ghost]

Brainiac was a computer.... a REALLY sophisticated computer.... he could be what's in it... encased in a semi robotic body.

It could be General Zod.. but after some research... Zod is a movie creation and didn't become officially a comic character until the late 90's.

Eradicator is a possibility.

I think the only thing that is 'certain'.... (Certain being a relative term).... Is that there's a New Super Being in town. Odds are it's definitely a villian.

[jadkins555]

And with Lana being the first person he/she will see, maybe fans will finally get what they have been asking for.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by jadkins555
And with Lana being the first person he/she will see, maybe fans will finally get what they have been asking for.

What have they been asking for?

[Ranger]

I say that Lana and Lionel will be key with whatever is in that ship

[UDStyle]

Someoen said Zod.. but isn't he in the phantom zone?

[Xplosive]

OMG, I'm so stupid, I didn't realize the formation of the stones when there all together is the same shape as the ship, right?

[arachkid]

Originally posted by Somebody Stop Me
What have they been asking for?

Sounds like they were just spouting an anti-Lana statement in hope of something that will never happen. :p Lana may get hurt by whatever's in there, but death? Nope.

[superman_115]

yes, the formation of the stone and the ship were identical. I noticed that right off the bat when the ship and then the stone was thrown out of clark's hands.

I don't think it will be general Zod. To early honestly to put him in the show.

I know this might be a stretch, but I thought it would contain Clark's destiny and what I mean is his Superman suit.

I know in the comic his suit was in the ship when he came to earth, but the Kent's never really got to open the ship to see what was in it.

So I am thinking if it something meant for Clark, not any villiain, but I would like to see someone challenge Clark next season and end this stupid Isobel story.

But most could be right, that ship it tainted, However, there is a connection with the shape of the ship and the stone that clark threw.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Got it. thanks.

[HotStudsSuccess]

Its going to be E.T. who will be in the spaceship

"E.T., Phone Hoommee"

[jay1dubbs]

I believe that it will be Zod. Maybe this is the character that all the speculation(a certain actor that AlMiles is trying to get) is about.

cough*cough*genehackman*cough*cough

[PHOENIXZERO]

I know this might be a stretch, but I thought it would contain Clark's destiny and what I mean is his Superman suit.

I know in the comic his suit was in the ship when he came to earth, but the Kent's never really got to open the ship to see what was in it.


Only in pre-crisis Superman was his suit made from his blanket that was in the ship with him. Post crisis his mother just made the suit out of regular materials.

Brainiac could be possible, I doubt it though as Brainiac was only a kryptonian computer in the animated series. I doubt it would be Zod either.

I'm thinking it's the eradicator simply because its purpose was to "clense" and kill everyone that wasn't of kryptonian blood or something to that extent. With the human blood that covered the stone the eradicator was umm, triggered.

[becomingagod]

Remember Jor-El said a great evil was awakened, so I highly doubt it is Clarks suit, or anything for him, I am 99.9999% sure that it is ZOD. As far as Lana seeing him, he very well just get up and walk right by her. she is of no concern to him. Zod is what ties the best to everything they showed.
1) Jor-El's above staement
2)The ships shape and color
3) the look on lana's face (she was not looking at an outfir, she has seen many of those before.

So I can be satisfied in that I said this back in the begining of April.......BOOOYAAAA!!!!

[BuZzArD 8012]

I really want to know, whats in this ship. Could it be ZOD :D.

[shirkie]

Well Jor-El said the human blood contaminated the stones and unleashed the dark force of the universe or something like that...

Way to go, Lana...
shirkie

[becomingagod]

I just took this from a post I wrote about a month and a hlaf ago.
I am so smart, and i have espn :p



"Okay I just read every post on this thread, I was hoping at first that someone like the Eradicator would be coming on the meteors, but then every one was talking about Kara, a character they kind of already had in the show. then everyone is saying it is a defense mechanism triggered by either the stones themselves or Jor-El. Interesting.

Now people are talking about Krypto, KRYPTO! They already did an Ep. about Krypto, SV's version.

I really enjoyed alot of the theories, especially about the will he won't he fly thing (I hope he does, damn the budget!)

Heres a completely different theory about the Meteor shower: THe stones Do trigger it, but not as a defense of the stones or Kal-El, They are Krypton style technology, probably much more powerful than any other seen so far, They may serve as a homing beacon for a certain other kryptonian who is alive, and just trapped in -----THE PHANTOM ZONE. Thus he finds not only a place with kryptonian energy, but also a place where the son of his capturer is still living.

Ladies and gentleman I give you.....GENERAL ZOD

P.S. He IS the current guy wacking Supes around in the comics. And remember Kara came on the show right after the comics put her in.

or maybe this just makes too much sense."

After posting that my life became H-E-double hockey sticks for about a week, so to ye naysayer: Nah nah nah nah nah!







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[becomingagod]

I refuse to let this thread die.

[TheGodfather]

I just dont know about General Zod...or any other kryptonian coming..I cant see them throwing someone like this at Clark already..UNLESS they have him almost fully transformed into Superman once he leaves the FOS next season...

[jimmyolsenblues]

Lana found the ship, Lana is possessed by the Witch, someone the Ship is created/called by the Witch? Maybe? I don't think Smallville has the juice to bring Braniac or General Zod.

[UKsmallvilleFan]

for those of us not very familar with other characters, can someone please shed some light on who Zod is?

thanks.

[Vash]

i don't think it's Zod.


what i hope will happen:

clark goed to FOS. he talks to Jor-El and all...

"Great evil will destroy Smallville and the world"
"how can I stop it"
"just believe (or something like that :P ), you are capable of much greater things"
"but how do i get home, i can't run over water"
"just do what u have to do son"


i don't think it's Zod, because clark will defeat the evil inside the ship in 1 episode :P. Zod is too "big" to be killed "just like that"

[tw190]

When I saw the ship I went, "AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!" :D

[RedLex82]

This has to do with Lionel in his coma and those Kryptonian symbols scrolling across in his subconscious.

I honestly dont think its anyone or anything from the old Superman Comic Lore.

I think Lionel already has, or will become intertwined with that black thing (who even knows if its a ship).

[Raptor1677]

[i]So I am thinking if it something meant for Clark, not any villiain, but I would like to see someone challenge Clark next season and end this stupid Isobel story. [/B]

the Isobel Story has to be over for the most part, the tatoo is gone, and with it, most likely the part of Lana that is Isobel. She had her revenge, the stones are complete, it's over

[becomingagod]

it is definately a ship, it started opening before the cut from it. I think it looks to be Kryptonian, and its shape, think about it. It is black, and it arrived with destruction, and because of human blood on the stone. It is evil, no doubt about it, (or maybe its the new batwing! HAHAHAH)

I took the liberty of translating the scroll going across Lionels eye, it may not mean anything, but I figured what the heck, maybe it does.

NOTE: My source for the translation has a disclaimer stating that it is not the only way the Kryptonian Language has been decifered, there are some changes in different forms, but here it is anyway:

N_T_V_I_R_P_Z_X_U_C_H_F_A_L_S_W.

It keeps repeating and I don't know if I started at the begining.

[Bombaatu]

Originally posted by UKsmallvilleFan
for those of us not very familar with other characters, can someone please shed some light on who Zod is?

thanks.
General Zod was one of three Kryptonian villians who were imprisoned in the Phantom Zone by Jor-El prior to Krypton's destruction. He was played by Terrence Stamp (the voice of Jor-El in Smallville) in the first two Chris Reeve Superman movies.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by UKsmallvilleFan
for those of us not very familar with other characters, can someone please shed some light on who Zod is?

thanks.

I think Becomingagod would be the best at that. He is our local chapter president in the Zod fanclub!

[katieishere]

Originally posted by UKsmallvilleFan
for those of us not very familar with other characters, can someone please shed some light on who Zod is?

thanks.

Zod is a character created in Superman 1 the movie. He was a Kryptonian general who tried to take over the planet, and his punishment was eternal banishment in the Phantom Zone, officiated by Jor-El. On his way out, he swore to avenge himself and enslave Jor-El's family.

Then in Superman 2 he ended up in Earth with 2 of his goons, and tried to take over that planet. He gave Supes a severe beat-down in Metropolis in a 3-1 fight, but Supes managed to outsmart him using Luthor. It was actually really cool and well done.

That's who Zod is. Rent the movies for the real feel. :D

PS: My take on the ship? Kryptonian defence mechanism to protect the crystals, and it is totally connected to Lionel. Lana won't bite the dust. Clark will show up just in time to be almost too late, yet still manage to save everyone and defeat the whatever. Upon it's defeat, Lionel dies. Lex flips and blames Clark.

[jimmyolsenblues]

General Zod, as you should recall, was the lead villain in Superman II.
In Superman II, Zod and his cohorts, "Non" and "Ursa", were defeated by Superman.

So Zod is now assuming his position as your rightful leader.
You have two choices:

1. Take his hand and swear eternal loyalty to Zod.
2. Perish for your defiance.

[becomingagod]

Alright, and thanx for that SoulCystic!

ZOD, or General Zod was at one point a leader of Kryptons military, he became an extremist, and wnet all wacko like most extremist do, he was sentenced for his crimes by the Kryptonian Council (Jor-El was a member) to eternity in the Phantom Zone, a parrellel dimension basically like purgatory, soon after his exile the planet exploded. THis is where even I get a little foggy about it, at some point Zod escapes from the PZ, he comes to earth to kill Jor-El's son, and the only other Kryptonian still alive, Superman is able to defeat Zod, and I believe he is sent back to the Phantom Zone.

Zod put the blame of his capture and sentencing solely on Jor-El who was the lead opposition to Zod, it is because of that that he has such a hatred for Clark (or Kal-El) and thus his reason for destroying Clark.

Also in Superman 2 when Zod (and his flunkies) make it to earth, they adopt the idea of ruling over the planet and enslaving the human race, so Superman is the only one to stop them. At the end of the movie Zod is stripped of his powers by Superman.

NOTE: I have some knowledge of Zod, but I have kind of put the pieces together in places where I am not sure, so I may not be exactly correct oneverything, and I welcome anyone who is to correct any mistakes I have made.

[SoulCystic]

Thank you Mr. President. I think that sums it up nicely.

[mbarlow]

Guys, there is no way it is ZOD. I mean, come on, Clark hasn't even learned how to fly yet, he isn't the same super hero as Christopher Reeves was in Superman 2. ZOD would wipe the floor with him.

Although, I will give you this, I believe in the movie ZOD didn't know he had powers until he was freed from the phantom zone, so I guess there is a possibility that Clark would be able to defeat him, but all three? I highly doubt it. And wouldn't he have to already be superman to face ZOD? I mean, this would be a pretty public battle.

[Bwookie]

I'm thinking Zod or Darkseid. Whoot!

[becomingagod]

WHOOT! :P

While I think Darkseid is a possiblity I just don't know if he would be transferable to the show, and like someone said about Zod, if Clark would have a hard time with Zod, not even knowing his full potential, what do you think would happen if it was Darkseid? BAM-Clarks dead.

Plus what would be Darkseid motivation for coming to earth?

And PLEASE god don't let it be that other guy who starts with a "D".

[josh79]

Originally posted by mbarlow
Guys, there is no way it is ZOD. I mean, come on, Clark hasn't even learned how to fly yet, he isn't the same super hero as Christopher Reeves was in Superman 2. ZOD would wipe the floor with him.

Although, I will give you this, I believe in the movie ZOD didn't know he had powers until he was freed from the phantom zone, so I guess there is a possibility that Clark would be able to defeat him, but all three? I highly doubt it. And wouldn't he have to already be superman to face ZOD? I mean, this would be a pretty public battle.

OK here's my two cents. First of all, OMG!!!!!! This is the first time I've had a chance to post since the finale last night, and I'm still shaking with excitement. This is what I think:

1. who or whatever is in that ship isn't Zod (I'm 90% sure). First, as many of you have pointed out, Zod is currently trapped in the phantom zone. Even if he were to somehow break out, where did he get a ship from? I think that having Zod on the show would be too complicated and would basically expose Clark's secret to the world. I mean even Lex will notice a big Kryptonian running around smallville saying "kneel before Zod, son of Jor-el!" I'm thinking everyone might have a few questions for the Kent family if this were to happen.

2. I think that the spaceship is definitely connected to Lionel. Right now he seems like he's some kind of Kryptonian conduit, transferring a message or some kind of signal. The language scrolling across his eyes look eerily similar to Swann's screens that he shows to Clark. The only question I have is who is sending the message?

3. The ship is definitely connected to the key. As most of you have pointed out, the ship and the key are the same shape. I went back and watched the scene where the ship lands. The ship appears once the crystal forms. More than likely, I'd say its the Eradicator- he was created as a last protector of the history of Krypton. Maybe (as already suggested) when human blood came into contact with the element, that was taken as a signal that the stones had been reunited by someone other than Kal-el. I dunno. What do you guys think?

4. Additionally, and this is really way out there. In the recent Superman/Batman comic this is how the current Kara Zor-el comes to earth. Her ship was trapped inside a meteor that was broken up and crash lands on earth (albeit in Gotham City) in the bottom of a river. I don't think this is plausible because, I don't know if anyone else noticed, but there was no Kryptonite in the meteors. This spaceship most likely was sent well before Krypton exploded or it isn't from Krypton at all.

[becomingagod]

josh79,

We aren't going to agree, and that is okay, I just wanted to say when I read your post The thing about Zod running around telling everyone in Smallville just freaking cracked me up!

I can see him running in to the Talon at superspeed screaming at everyone "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" Then running out to where people are trying to rebuild the town screaming "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" And so on, like some derranged Superpowered mental patient, That would be so freaking funny!

[SoulCystic]

He would end up at Summerholt like all the rest!!

:rotfl:

I think Darkseid would be way to out there for a mainstream show like Smallville. Too much to explain even if it took a whole season. Much easier to say, here is a Bad Guy from Krypton.

Kneel before ZOD,Kneel before ZOD,Kneel before ZOD,.... sounds like an "a very special ADULT smallville"

[Johnny_Styles]

Originally posted by NightwingRobin85
General Zod......or Brainic has arrived

IM WITH U ON THIS ONE ...

[hottietom]

okay, i was not on last night. thank you for explaining who zod is. i was in shock last night. this really was the best episode ever. i'm so happy that they finally did something to fix this season. and isobel is gone. that ship..........what are they going to do with that ship??????????????

[becomingagod]

put a kryptonite key in it :p

[SoulCystic]

then let Clark blow it up

[Voldemort31]

Here you guys go, from this website description, totally fits where SV is headed. Eradicator is the prediction that you guys have made and I think are going to hit the nail on the head:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/jfiles/eradicator.html

[UKsmallvilleFan]

Oh right. I remember now, that geezer in Superman I and II who was trapped.

Thanks guys!

[Enemyoffun15]

I don't nearly post enough on this site...but there's no way it can be Zod...back when the show first started I read an interview with Miles Millar and alfred Gough where they said Zod was one of the characters that they wanted to get on the show in some form but that Warner Bros. wouldn't allow it because it somehow conflicted with the movie series...

[becomingagod]

that was over four years ago, at the time they also said Clark would never fly.

[Kabeer]

It must be Zod,

a)Jor-el says a great evil has awakened, im guessing that the stones were the last remains of kryptons knowledge (ie therefore contained what was keeping Zod prisoner), so when they were comprimised by human blood, this somehow broke Zod's imprisonment seal.

b)The meteors did not contain kryptonite, indicating the spaship came from another region of space, NOT Krypton (wherever zod was trapped, so unlikely to be Kara or eradicator or a large container of kryptonians donuts!).

c) spaceship was big and black and evil looking (:P), also its blackness and shape was reminiscant of the phantom zone "S" that trapped zod in the movies.

d) Eradicator is NOT a great evil, it is a kryptonian weapon/computer, so i doubt it is eradicator (although eradicator might be the knowledge base in the FOS that Clark will see soon)

On another note, the spaceship looked quite large (in comparison to Lana), so it might even contain the other 2 lackeys to Zod that we saw in the old movies, lol this is just speculation.

Im really hate and love these cliffhangers, on one hand it was so good, it made up for some of the recent filler episodes. On with season 5!!!

[SmallTownSuperHero]

Yes, I believe that their restrictions were limited to the first four seasons, and that they probably have to renegotiate now. Just a guess though. I heard they couldn't make a FOS either, but obviously that is what they are alluding to. That is, unless they're throwing us off, which is a huge possibility.

[spikydude313]

It couldn't be Zod. It would throw the whole time line out the window. Based on both the comic and the movies Zod wasn't introduced till Clark had already donned the cape and was working at the Planet.

[Fez]

think about it, though, we already know Lois in Smallville, do you think they care about any time line?

[spikydude313]

I have to take that back. According to the comic the first time Lois and Clark had met was in Metropolis when he saved ( I think) the helicopter she was in.

[SoulCystic]

In the movie they just met that day. They were introduced. If you don't count her as a wee lass seeing him run next to the train.

[Bob Cobb]

Dear Lord,

Please don't there be supervillian from Krypton on that ship. Someone who could batter a younger Clark becouse he has access to all of Superman's powers but Clark does not yet. Please,Please, Please!!!!

Amen

[spikydude313]

The writers have kept us on our toes for the most part the last 4 seasons and really have given us a series that sheds light and how Clark became the man that he is today. I know that they haven't exactly been true to the comics and movies but I have to say I'm not disappointed one bit. I can only say that I hope the next season continues to be a good as the last 4.

[Bob Cobb]

True, but I really liked Lois and Clark before they did that kind of thing.

[[30+]Darknight]

I really don't think it will be Zod since I believe Brian Singer is planning on using him in Superman Returns... I'm not sure where I read that but it was a while ago...

[Randarch]

A-hem

I would like to voice my prediction about who/what is in the ship.

I've been toying with the idea since the earliest rumors about the 2nd metor shower. I'm not sure of course, but I have a strong feeling about it:

CYTHONNA: The Last God of Krypton

Evil Ice Goddes, imprisoned by Rao, who survived the destruction of Krypton. She breaks free of her imprisonment, and comes to destroy Clark, and make Earth a planet of ice.

Just a hunch. But I can't believe it will be Zod. It has to be a bigger threat than that. PLUS the ship is shapped like the \8/ which is, of course, Rao's symbol.

Yep, that's Cythonna's prison. It's only a theory, but I'm sticking by it

[spikydude313]

Is Superman Returns going to be taking place after the last Superman movie?

[TML]

I really don't honestly know anything as to what it might be in that ship. I have never read Superman comics and hence have no knowledge of the beings/things/creatures/devices that can appear.

All I can say is that I am just exhiliarated to see what will happen! This episode left so many loose ends to be tied up.

EDIT: Oooh, this post made me a "whiz"
Heh.

[UltrarodimusP]

Didn't read the whole thread, but I am going with either Braniac or Zod.

I think that Braniac was in the ship. Once the ship lands and Lionel had the stone in him, Braniac will transfer himself into his body.

Just my thought.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by spikydude313
Is Superman Returns going to be taking place after the last Superman movie?

I think it is supposed to be sort of a pre-quel.


Originally posted by Randarch
A-hem

I would like to voice my prediction about who/what is in the ship.

I've been toying with the idea since the earliest rumors about the 2nd metor shower. I'm not sure of course, but I have a strong feeling about it:

CYTHONNA: The Last God of Krypton

Evil Ice Goddes, imprisoned by Rao, who survived the destruction of Krypton. She breaks free of her imprisonment, and comes to other to destroy Clark, and make Earth a planet of ice.

Just a hunch. But I can't believe it will be Zod. It has to be a bigger threat than that. PLUS the ship is shapped like the \8/ which is, of course, Rao's symbol.

Yep, that's Cythonna's prison. It's only a theory, but I'm sticking by it

EXCELLENT THEORY......I doubt it will be that, but EXCELLENT THEORY!!!!!!!!

[randy23]

I'm either going with Eradicator or Supergirl-- even though Supergirl was done already last season. I don't think it's Zod because you would have to explain the whole Phantom Zone and Phanton Zone projector, and the criminals inside who have psychic powers, which probably would not go well with a young Clark. Brainiac would be too much for Clark as well, he is a time spanning despot who wants to consume every planet and then destroy it. It was the intervention of the Legionaires that Brainiac was defeated. It could be possible to bring in the Legionaires, but I don't think they will do that.

[Bobbythe2nd]

Maybe its Mxy...:p

Remember the email saying to lex that he got his powers back and that he was leaving. Maybe he went to one of his dimensions and came back in a cool looking ship..... Ok maybe not but Id figure Id say something different than everyone else;)

[Maagic]

One thing's for sure... he ain't gonna be hidin THAT in the barn

[Bobbythe2nd]

Originally posted by Maagic
One thing's for sure... he ain't gonna be hidin THAT in the barn

LoL...he sure aint! Maybe he'll dig a hole? Or he'll keep it in Pete's house in Wichita?! Dammit I dont know! But hey, I really just wanna see whats in it!

[fatty_acids]

i think little green men are in the ship.

[Zooks]

Zod: Popular choice. Nice black ship to counter Clark's silver. However, there is a no kryptonians rule. The producers can find ways around it though.

Darkseid: Not happening.

Doomsday: The Justice League cartoon actually brought in Doomsday twice. Lets just say he never killed Superman. They could bring him in but I doubt it.

Eradicator: Not really much of a "darkness." Jor-El is seasons 2-3 seemed more like the Eradicator. Interesting to note, Eradicator became somewhat of a hero when Superman died. He posed himself as a superman and brought Superman back to life after being killed by Doomsday. He/it was made pretty useless after blocking some kryptonite attack for Superman. I'm pretty sure he came back though.
(Crazy theory: Eradicator takes control of Lionel. Doomsday in ship. but it's too soon in Clark's life for this to happen or anything like it).

Brainiac: My favorite. If they go for the comic version, it'd probably work well. The cartoon version would make it a little less believeable (if possible...). Brainiac comes to Earth to steal the information from the FOS (which i guess is from the cartoon).

Kara Zor-El: I hope not.

Krypto: I really hope not.

Crazy idea 2:
The original Segeeth. The enemy of the original Naman (should Naman/Segeeth still be alive somehow).

New character: It's possible that a new character could be created that's similar to Zod but not Zod. A non-Kryptonian punished by Jor-El. However, if this villain is related to the stones which have been on the planet for a looong time, I think it'd have to be someone defeated by the original Kryptonian to visit earth, Naman.

[becomingagod]

Well I am about to bud adue (is that even close to how it is spelled?) I can not stay in the threads through the next five months of waiting, I will be sure to check on all the updates from time to time, and maybe even dish around a little, but for now I am willfully banishing myself to the Phantom Zone (I call my apartment the Phantom Zone, I dare another fan boy to top me :D ) I will see -er talk to you all soon, have a wonderful summer everyone, and please try not to make your heads explode trying to figure all this out, okay.

Peace,

-becomingagod.











P.S. It is Zod in the ship, o bet it! (UL, I hope I have made you proud!

[montevallo]

who is Darkseid and what is the name of that super cat thats from krypton

[smallvilleclark]

Is it possible that is it clark himself? I think i rememeber in the movie when he entered the FOS, he was taken on some sort of journey. Is it possible this ship is bringing him back from this journey?

[randy23]

Why would he be falling from the sky if he started at the Arctic?

[Randarch]

Montevallo..

(I went to school there.)

Darkside is the evil lord of the planet Apocolypse. He is VERY powerful.

The cat's name is Streaky :)


Now ask me who's in the black ship :rotfl:

[montevallo]

whoes in the black ship


p.s. montevallo is the name of the streel i live on lol

[smallvilleclark]

maybe clark just wanted to get back to save lana

[montevallo]

oh oh i hope its streaky:lol:
imagen clark seeing a cat being able to fly befor he's able to:rotfl:

[Randarch]

Montevallo...

I'm going to drive everyone nuts with this,
:rotfl:
but I believe the person in the ship is Cythonna, the Last God of Krypton. Who is an evil and powerful Ice Goddess set free from her imprisonment when Krypton was destroyed.

[montevallo]

a flying cat would be hard to pull off in a non animated show so i guess that its not going to be him:(

an ice goddes hmm that would be cool

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Originally posted by Vash
i don't think it's Zod, because clark will defeat the evil inside the ship in 1 episode :P. Zod is too "big" to be killed "just like that" Says who? He can be the villain for an extended time if they choose for it to be that way. In the movie, Clark had to fight three of them. This time, it's just one. Clark does have to beat the pants off him. He just has to make him retreat, which will open the door for Zod to return later.

[Yuui]

Originally posted by GhostRider
It's some sort of device I bet based one of the things from the comics; Eradicator or Brainiac and Lionel will be controlled by it.

I do suppose that is probably one of the safer bets, but I think if Clark were to go up against either of the two he would be killed rather quickly.

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Originally posted by RedLex82
This has to do with Lionel in his coma and those Kryptonian symbols scrolling across in his subconscious.

I honestly dont think its anyone or anything from the old Superman Comic Lore.

I think Lionel already has, or will become intertwined with that black thing (who even knows if its a ship). It's defintely a ship. It opened up. If you looked at Lana's face you could clearly see light moving over her face from the ship opening. She staring at it like, "Oh My God." It's a person. Also, it's stated for a major Superman villain to be on Smallville. Because of the fact, it has the Family Crest Shield, it's Zod.

[Bwookie]

What if Zod looks exactly like Clark?

[Yuui]

Originally posted by montevallo
a flying cat would be hard to pull off in a non animated show so i guess that its not going to be him:(

an ice goddes hmm that would be cool

I haven't heard of that theory yet but I like it as well.

:D

[randy23]

Originally posted by Bwookie
What if Zod looks exactly like Clark?

Atleast they will be following the comics for once.

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Originally posted by Randarch
CYTHONNA: The Last God of Krypton

Evil Ice Goddes, imprisoned by Rao, who survived the destruction of Krypton. She breaks free of her imprisonment, and comes to destroy Clark, and make Earth a planet of ice.I've never heard of that character. I can't find her anywhere. Additionally, it'd be far too weird and I'm sure they'd use someone atleast somewhat familar to people.


Originally posted by Randarch
It has to be a bigger threat than that. PLUS the ship is shapped like the \8/ which is, of course, Rao's symbol.It's shaped in the symbol of Clark's family crest. EVERYONE has agreed on that. The shield with 8 inside is the symbol of his family. It's been used countless times on Smallville. Besides, some evil ***** trying to make everything covered in ice would be the lamest thing ever.

[knight3131]

The statue that was in the room with the third piece that clark needed was the same one where they go the second one. I dought Lex was able to take it. This one was made of gold and the eyes turned yellow.

I dont think its Zod its too soon.

Brainiac would be much better since he was able to create a ship for him to escape.


But i think its someone else.

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Originally posted by randy23
Atleast they will be following the comics for once. He's not supposed to look like Clark. Zod was created by the Superman II Movie, originally. The comics added him later on. Even then, that wouldn't make sense. Zod was a rival of his father who was the General of their Army. He was imprisoned for attempting to overthrow the government. Zod was locked away before Clark was born. Why would they look alike?


Originally posted by knight3131
I dont think its Zod its too soon.

Brainiac would be much better since he was able to create a ship for him to escape.Brainac has a giant ship that never lands on solid ground. It's usually on a cliff or floating in the air. This one, wasn't that big. The ship was shaped identical to the Superman logo. No other villain has such a direct connection to his family other than Zod and that's because Jor-El sentenced him.

[randy23]

Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
He's not supposed to look like Clark. Zod was created by the Superman II Movie, originally. The comics added him later on. Even then, that wouldn't make sense. Zod was a rival of his father who was the General of their Army. He was imprisoned for attempting to overthrow the government. Zod was locked away before Clark was born. Why would they look alike?

He wanted to have Superman's visage so he could gain his trust.

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Originally posted by randy23
I don't think it's Zod because you would have to explain the whole Phantom Zone and Phanton Zone projector, and the criminals inside who have psychic powers, which probably would not go well with a young Clark. You wouldn't have to explain any of that really.

Zod: I was imprisoned by your father. Your stupid beloved humans covering the stones in their blood unsealed it. Now, you're going to die! And, I will rule this planet!

*Evil laughter*

Clark: Holy Crap.


Originally posted by Bobbythe2nd
Maybe he went to one of his dimensions and came back in a cool looking ship..... Ok maybe not but Id figure Id say something different than everyone else;) A cool looking ship shaped EXACTLY like Superman's Family Crest?

*Shakes head*

Not happening.

[Bwookie]

Zod looking like Clark was in the comics.

[randy23]

As complex as General Zod is (seen in 'For Tomorrow') you can't just present him like he was a simple villan who crash lands on earth.

[Bwookie]

Sure you can. He's unknown to all the other characters as well.

You explain him after the fact.

Not the first time it's been done in a story.

Star Wars starts with Vader, then you find out who he is much later on.

[redhairs99]

Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
He's not supposed to look like Clark. Zod was created by the Superman II Movie, originally..

Actually Zod and his 2 "partners" were in the original Superman movie, although it was Superman II when they were released from the phantom zone.

[randy23]

Maybe, but who will play General Zod? Smallville is still working with DC to make sure there, atleast, decently close to the continuity.

[Bwookie]

General Zod could be played by TW.

[MBCorp]

Hey, wouldn't it be awesome if Zod did look like Clark and if Lana fell in love with him! Maybe he could trick her into thinking that he is the real Clark since Clark will be in the arctic?

[Tom's Chick]

i personally do not at all think that it is zod b/c the show has not adavced far enough for that at all in my opinion. My theory: I bet you that there will end up being a message for clark from jor-el inside of it (simialiar to the messages swan showed clark) and lionel and lex will have it researched just like they did the caves. remember now that clark can read kryptonian so i bet that clark will secretly read the messages w/out anyone seeing. They will prob. say something about how he must fufill his destiny or something to that extent. But now that the kryptonian words flashed through lionels eyes he might now be able to read kryptonian himself so he might read the words in the ship but not know who they are meant for clark. this is my theory but rite now almost anything is possible, lol

[Nazmul]

May be I am wrong, but if there was a villain, would he not steer the ship and land properly, rather than crash land.

[randy23]

Originally posted by Nazmul
May be I am wrong, but if there was a villain, would he not steer the ship and land properly, rather than crash land.

Keen on detail, now, I'm starting to think it's Kara Zor-El again.

[Kal2]

guys, there is a Z on lana's cheek, now that can't be a coincedence, it must mean something.. i didnt notice it at first but somebody mentioned it so i checked, and there it was, i posted a picture in the speculation forum

[Hal-El]

Originally posted by opera_ghost
Brainiac was a computer.... a REALLY sophisticated computer....

That is only one incarnation of Brainiac. He was also an alien.

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Zod is being played by Hackman.

[abarsami]

Originally posted by Kal2
guys, there is a Z on lana's cheek, now that can't be a coincedence, it must mean something.. i didnt notice it at first but somebody mentioned it so i checked, and there it was, i posted a picture in the speculation forum

I was the one to mention it. It's either a trick to make us think it's Zod or a really cheap clue.

[rx7g3n3s1s]

Originally posted by arachkid
Sounds like they were just spouting an anti-Lana statement in hope of something that will never happen. :p Lana may get hurt by whatever's in there, but death? Nope.
i hope she doesnt die, since she is also the main cast lol, "oops I accidently killed her off," AlMiles says together.

[samfish]

Theres no way it's Zod. Bringing in Zod or Brainiac would be like jumping straight out of Smallville and right into Superman.
...besides, I personally think that Jor-El is actually Zod manipulating Clark from the Phantom Zone.

The possibility of it being the Eradicator is intriguing (and of all the vilian theories, the most logical), but I doubt it. Just a hunch, really.

heh- Hell, maybe it's Doomsday!

[Somebody Stop Me]

Maybe it's none of the above, but a new villian that TPTB will introduce.

[justbrowsing]

maybe the Jetsons are coming to smallville

i can't see it being something which contains clarks artifacts. this meteor shower was to punish the humans persumably because of their contact with the stones. but it seems too early for a villian surely Lex should be the first. (who built the caves again and who hid the stones. maybe one of those)

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Somebody, it was already previously stated that the TPTB would be using a Major Superman Villain.


Originally posted by Zooks
Crazy idea 2:
The original Segeeth. The enemy of the original Naman (should Naman/Segeeth still be alive somehow).

New character: It's possible that a new character could be created that's similar to Zod but not Zod. A non-Kryptonian punished by Jor-El. However, if this villain is related to the stones which have been on the planet for a looong time, I think it'd have to be someone defeated by the original Kryptonian to visit earth, Naman. Neither were Kryptonians. They were both two important Native American figures. The tribe believed Clark to be the reincarnation of Naman. The caves were created by Jor-El for Clark in advance. They never existed before.

[opera_ghost]

okay, here are some things that I've noticed as 'problems' in these theories.

1.) The movie plots are not the same as the comics... the intimate details of his origins are not 100% the same as they were in the comics. (Same as in the Xmen movies the origins weren't completely the same.)

2.) I'm a fan of the Zod idea... but the general zod in the comics... isn't the same as General Zod in the movies. The Zod in the current comics.. (The red darth vader looking thing.)... is a human being who has constructed a suit that changes our suns rays to mimick those of the red sun of krypton... thereby giving him powers equal to superman.

3.) as I said, I'm nearly certain what is in that ship is a new villian for him to be in conflict with.... My opinion about the 'best' option is eradicator... but it could be something completely new.

I know in earlier statements.. they were using the opening sequences of the superman movie as their 'template' for what they were going to work on....

but, for a couple reasons.... I think next season will be the last one for Smallville. (Not the least of which is it's once again going up again Alias.) So, at any rate... I think it may be the equivalent of this year's stone plot... (Props to whomever put forth the idea that the caves/elements opened the way to the FOS btw.).....

But, I think that by the end of next season they will have told the story that they wanted to... and while I'd like to see it continue, so far the ratings don't seem to warrant it. (Dispite the passion of this sites audience.)

[svmoney]

Everyone jumping to the conclusion that the ship contains Zod isn't being rational. Doesn't everyone remember the no other Kryptonians rule? Now I know they broke the no flights rule, but that was just for one episode. Something like Zod could not be resolved in one episode. Also the no Kryptonians rule still holds true because Smallville is not allowed to show Terrance Stamp (voice of Jor-El) because of this rule that has been imposed on them. Obviously AlMiles would want as good of an actor as Terrance Stamp to appear on the show in more then voice form, but TPTB at the WB (movie divison most likely) won't allow that. The no flights rule was a self imposed rule, the no Kryptonians rule was imposed by the studio. I mean if they can't get clearance to just have Jor-El appear to spout a few lines every once in awhile, how are they ever going to get clearence to bing Zod into the mix? There would also be no point of bringing Zod in to Clark's life this early, I highly doubt they'd be allowed to kill Zod and they just couldn't send him off to the looney bin or have his memory disappear like everyone else Clark fights, because Zod isn't like everyone else. I also highly doubt with the new movie coming out Smallville would be able to use Zod since it's been rumored they might use him again in future movies.

[Kal's Better Half]

I may be crazy but I think that its Kara.

1) The symbol for the house of El was on the ship.

2) A Z appeared on Lana's check. Could represent the name of her father, Zor-El.

3) If I remember corrcetly, in all of the times that Supergirl/Kara have appeared she has been an adult. So that would explain why the ship was bigger then Clarks.

4) The no Kryptonians rule went out the window when Jor-El was in relic and when Kal-El flew. And as the saying goes, rules are meant to be broken.

Its just my theory.

[Baddass]

my thoughts:

- i dont think it is a coincidence that Lionel was left with the "transference" stone and then he went into his catatonic state when it "went off".....now he has the krypton writing in his eyes, has he swapped bodies with someone? has someone possessed him temporarily with use of the stone?

- general Zod ideas are interesting. When he came to earth in the movies it was not till he landed that he realised that he would have any powers here (thanks to the Earth's sun). So if it is him in the ship, it wont be like he is a fully developed superbaddy capable of beating clark easily. He would prob have the same level of powers as Clark. Now i dont think this would be good because they have already kinda done the "bad clark" with that guy with the dagger, and had a clark vs bad clark showdown. It would be cool to see Hackman as Jorel, but i really dont think it will happen as it would be too big a thing, too different from the movies and like ppl have said, there's the rules about what the WB have agreed they can do (no Kryptonians, no use of movie characters perhaps which are upcoming in the new Superman movie)

- Kara would be really lame imo. what would be the point in bringing her back. she was just some random girl from earth which Jorel trapped in the caves (apparently) and then gave her powers / took control of her to get clark to go into the caves / meet his destiny....



a few quesitons though. What exactly did clark "learn" on his season 3 finale when he was "reborn" and went off?? we havent really been told much about that.....could Jor-el perhaps be transfered to Lionel thanks to the stone? he said the ship was evil, but im not sure if Zod would be a good iead

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Sorry, but the clues point towards Zod more than other villain.

Clark has used flight in the past, several times. However, he is afraid of heights. Therefore, it's not a power he's too confident in believing he has because of that fear. He doesn't want to believe it's something he can do even though he's done it atleast four times (Breaking his bed, the tornado, the caves, and Kal-El). He's so scared, he even claimed it was an ability exclusive to Kal-El. For crying out loud, it's the same body! The only thing different was their personality, but he was willing to believe Kal-El had additional abilities to avoid facing his fear. As you can see, he's heavy with the denial.

Terrance Stamp doesn't make an appearance because he's far too old now. He's not suppose to look near 90 years. He was Clark's age (17) in 1961. That would make Jor-El, 61. Stamp looked rather old as Zod in 1978. Twenty six years have passed since then. The guy would have to do his scenes with a walker or something.

The rule has no longer been imposed. The proof being, it's been violated already. Jor-El has made an appearance on the show. Tom Welling played him and interacted with Jonathan Kent's father. It was the episode where Clark learned the Kents didn't find him, he was sent to them.

Kara (Supergirl) made an appearance on the show last season. Jonathan Kent's DNA was altered at the beginning of last season, technically making him Kryptonian. He exhibited all of the powers Clark himself possessed.

They can get the clearance because of the actor is scheduled to play Zod: Gene Hackman. WB would cream their pants to have Hackman appear in any of their shows. Could you imagine the amount of knowledge the younger members of the cast would learn from him to improve the show? They would be more than willing make an exception for the legendary actor. Who better to help give them insight on the show than the original Lex Luthor, himself?

I hate to break this to you, but no one's said anything about killing Zod, sending him to the looney bin, or erasing his memory. Considering the fact, it takes place BEFORE Superman II, wouldn't it make maybe a little sense for Clark to dispose of Zod where we find him in the second movie? That would explain why Zod made sure to return in great numbers, one on one doesn't exactly get the job done. He probably didn't expect Clark to know as much as he did about the Kryptonian race either (Clark only recently finds the FoS)

[Jovis]

Think about it, Zod was in Superman 2. How much more transparent does it have to be? Eradicator would be a good story since his only interest is Krypton, but he would beat the hell out of Clark right now. Kara? I wish but, been there done that. I bet it's something we can't think of because we don't have the knowledge. I think, TPTB have mapped each season since the start and hopefully this next season will tie everything together. Kinda like Revenge of the Sith, but with Clana:) Oh yeah, DAMN Kristen's fine!

[Jigga]

Wow, great finale!

Now, about the ship. I really doubt it's going to be Zod. He just wouldn't fit in correctly in Smallville. Even if he only learns of this powers when he gets on Earth, he'll be more than powerful enough to kill Kal-El.

Many people are forgetting the fact that all of this somehow has to do with knowledge. With that said, I'm gonna have to say the Eradicator or Brainiac is a huge possibility. If I remember correctly (most likely not) the Eradicator program was suppose to arrive with the birthship of Superman and was actually part of FOS, I believe it was suppose to contain knowledge of Krypton and when Superman died the program generated "The Last Son of Krypton." It seems that the birthship has been destroyed in Smallville so where does that leave the Eradicator. In addition, it a great possibility for Brainiac because Brainiac was (depending on the comics) a computer or an alien, but in both cases it had extensive knowledge of Krypton.

It's going to be a big NO! on the supergirl/kara part. It's been done and it was disappointing (to me at least), so they probably won't bring that up again.

Does anyone realize that we've seen two of the three symbols physically? The first being on Clark's chest, the second on Lana's back, so where's is the third? It's probably gonna have to do with the ship and or has something to do with Lionel.

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Originally posted by opera_ghost
But, I think that by the end of next season they will have told the story that they wanted to... and while I'd like to see it continue, so far the ratings don't seem to warrant it.What in the...

Do you click other links on KSite other than Forum?

If you'd click the News link, you'd see the WB's OFFICIAL word:

“This season, we're making a bold statement on Thursday nights by moving one of our signature hits, Smallville to 8:00,” WB Entertainment President David Janollari said in a press release.

“The show faced some of the toughest competition of any series on television this season, going up against Lost every week, yet it continued to deliver great ratings, ” he said..

“With the critically acclaimed drama Everwood moving into the 9:00 timeslot, we think Thursday will be one of the most compelling nights of the upcoming season. Led by Treat Williams, Everwood features one of the strongest ensemble casts and some of the best writing on television.”

Does that really sound like they plan for this to be the last season of the show to you? There's DEFINITELY going to be a sixth season, or there would have been some sort of word sent out by now.

It's neither Brainac, Kara, or Eradicator. Kara is definitely not going to happen.

Jor-El: I sent you here to unite the three elements.
Clark: The stones? They have nothing to do with me.
Jor-El: But they do Kal-El. The knowledge of the universe is meant for you only, yet you chose to deny your heritage. Today you will witness the consequences!
Clark: Did you send the meteor shower?
Jor-El: I have done nothing Kal-El. Human blood has stained one of the elements and awaken a great danger from the darkness of space.

Awaken + Danger = Eradicator and Brainac are excluded.

In Krypton's ancient past, an alien called the Cleric arrived to seek converts to his beliefs. The Cleric denounced the Kryptonian practice of using clones for spare parts, arguing that cloning does not replicate the soul and that each clone was a living being, entitled to life.

To fight the Cleric and his growing movement, the Kryptonian ruling class created a weapon called the Eradicator. The device had a golden, multi-finned base and four prongs which arose to grasp a blue orb above.

When used against the Cleric, the device emitted a beam that caused him great pain, although it did not kill him. However, when the Kryptonian using it manipulated the controls incorrectly, it caused a massive explosion.

After the devastation, the Cleric gained control of the Eradicator. Shortly afterwards, he and his followers left Krypton on his space ark, bringing the device along. Tragically and horribly, all Kryptonians died as the craft left the planet. Only afterwards did the Cleric discover a genetic link which tied the Kryptonians to their planet. In shame and guilt, the Cleric retreated into self-imposed exile, keeping the Eradicator with him.
- SupermanHomepage.com

That was the last they saw of it. Also, the Cleric controlling it would mean Jor-El doesn't.

Brainac is NEVER dormant. It's function is to go from planet to planet, gathering information and then destroying it to make the information more valuable.

Neither of them would be encased inside of something shaped like Kal-El's family crest design.

[mantaray]

It's Darth Vader.

[Bwookie]

It's a ship that has come to take Lana back to her home planet of pink!

[SoulCystic]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin k!!!!:p

[Superman/Clark Kent]

Please, don't spam the thread.

[Humans]

My hypothesis is that whatever is inside that ship (perhaps, something akin to the Eradicator) will possess Lana and endow her with Kryptonian powers, so that she may destroy all Kryptonian knowledge, including Clark.

[Somebody Stop Me]

Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Somebody, it was already previously stated that the TPTB would be using a Major Superman Villain.


Stated by whom? How do we know their sources are correct?

[Maagic]

Maybe Lana's parents are in the ship... maybe the meteor that "hit" them actually transported them into another dimension and Jor El returned them to Lana...


What would be so evil about that you ask? They also have Whitney and her green necklace!

[opera_ghost]

but, do Al and Miles want to continue it for another year after it's 5th season?

I know that it's possible... and a statement like that would be nice...

but thursday now they have to go against "Joey"... which dispite everything... seems to be doing fairly well for itself. (Though I've only heard that from people.. not double checked the ratings point myself.)... And now Alias.

Not to mention Smackdown.... personally, UPN here is ticking me off.. due to their inability to maintain a broadcast w/o cutting something. (Edit.. disreguard this line.... that show is being moved to friday nights.)

Point is, that next year they are going to have some very tough competition... probably tougher than even one wednesday nights.

the WB at least has the advantage of being on the outside looking in, so they are a lot more willing to try to keep a show on the air that has an audience than the big 3.

and the crest shape.. is not necessarily just of the house of El. In the movie.... the council scene that was cut.... you see that the five sided diamond actually encased all of the Kryptonian family symbols.

[svmoney]

Originally posted by Superman/Clark Kent
Sorry, but the clues point towards Zod more than other villain.

Clark has used flight in the past, several times. However, he is afraid of heights. Therefore, it's not a power he's too confident in believing he has because of that fear. He doesn't want to believe it's something he can do even though he's done it atleast four times (Breaking his bed, the tornado, the caves, and Kal-El). He's so scared, he even claimed it was an ability exclusive to Kal-El. For crying out loud, it's the same body! The only thing different was their personality, but he was willing to believe Kal-El had additional abilities to avoid facing his fear. As you can see, he's heavy with the denial.

Terrance Stamp doesn't make an appearance because he's far too old now. He's not suppose to look near 90 years. He was Clark's age (17) in 1961. That would make Jor-El, 61. Stamp looked rather old as Zod in 1978. Twenty six years have passed since then. The guy would have to do his scenes with a walker or something.

The rule has no longer been imposed. The proof being, it's been violated already. Jor-El has made an appearance on the show. Tom Welling played him and interacted with Jonathan Kent's father. It was the episode where Clark learned the Kents didn't find him, he was sent to them.

Kara (Supergirl) made an appearance on the show last season. Jonathan Kent's DNA was altered at the beginning of last season, technically making him Kryptonian. He exhibited all of the powers Clark himself possessed.

They can get the clearance because of the actor is scheduled to play Zod: Gene Hackman. WB would cream their pants to have Hackman appear in any of their shows. Could you imagine the amount of knowledge the younger members of the cast would learn from him to improve the show? They would be more than willing make an exception for the legendary actor. Who better to help give them insight on the show than the original Lex Luthor, himself?

I hate to break this to you, but no one's said anything about killing Zod, sending him to the looney bin, or erasing his memory. Considering the fact, it takes place BEFORE Superman II, wouldn't it make maybe a little sense for Clark to dispose of Zod where we find him in the second movie? That would explain why Zod made sure to return in great numbers, one on one doesn't exactly get the job done. He probably didn't expect Clark to know as much as he did about the Kryptonian race either (Clark only recently finds the FoS)

Let me say this first, I really can’t believe someone else hasn’t taken apart some things you’ve said already. Because it’s obvious you are really confused about some things, but that’s okay I’ll help out. I respond to your post paragraph by paragraph.

You really really really need to go back and watch your episodes, because I don’t know where you got this “Clark has used flight in the past, several times.” That is so not true, he only used it once and that was in the season premiere for the 4th season, Crusade. That’s the only time we’ve seen him actually fly and AlMiles were able to get away with that because it technically wasn’t Clark, it was Kal-El. We’ve seen him hover before, so maybe that’s where you’re confused, but never fly expect that one episode.

Now on to Terrance Stamp, you’re wrong about him not appearing because he looks to old. Have you even actually seen Terrance Stamp lately? He doesn’t look 90 years old at all, he would look perfect for the part of Jor-El. AlMiles have even said they would want him to actually appear on the show but they can’t get the clearance. I just looked it up and Terrance Stamp is only 66 years old, perfect for the age of Jor-El. So I really don’t know where you got this business of him being too old or needing a walker. I guess you just didn’t know what you were saying. Even if someone doesn’t look the age for a part on Smallville they’ll still cast them, I mean do you honestly think Tom Welling looks 18? The episode you’re talking about where Tom Welling played Jor-El is called Relic and it’s from season 3. I don’t know where you came up with Jor-El being 17 in that episode, there was no mention of that in the episode or proof to back that up. Just because that’ how old Clark is supposed to be during that episode doesn’t mean that’s how old Jor-El was. They slicked back Tom Welling’s hair to make him look older even (and to make him look different I know). Also Lana’s aunt in that episode (played by Kristen Kreuk) was married, so obviously she was supposed to be older then Lana in that episode. And it appeared the aunt and Jor-El was supposed to be around the same age. Even though obviously Jor-El wasn’t supposed to be 17 then even if you think he was and like you said he should be 61 now, as I mentioned before Terrance Stamp is 66 now, so I don’t think 5 years is to much older. Even though that’s actually probably closer to how old Jor-El is supposed to actually be (well if he was alive really). But nonetheless this just points out how the no Kryptonians rule is still in effect, not that Terrance Stamp is too old, who knows where you got that crazy idea.

Again the episode you’re referring to is Relic, you don’t need to rehash it for me, I know what happened, and you’re the one that needs to go re-watch some episodes. But anyway, that’s ridiculous to say the rule is broken by that episode. Jor-El and Jonathan’s dad interacting doesn’t mean anything to his argument; don’t know why you said that. Anyways that’s ridiculous because it was Tom Welling play Jor-El, it’s still their lead guy it wasn’t anyone really different, and I’m sure that’s the only way they were able to do that episode was by having Tom Welling play Jor-El. But again even if you thought that broke the rule, why haven’t the show Jor-El in the present now?

Again he’s another instance you need to go back and watch your episodes, the one you mention about having Kara in it is the season 3 finale, Covenant. You need to go back and watch that because that wasn’t really Supergirl as you think she is. That was just some human girl that had gone missing and Jor-El kept till her needed her. He gave her powers like he did to Jonathan like you mentioned, but I can’t think you think that makes them Kryptonian! I mean are you serious? They were still humans, they just had powers for a little bit, that doesn’t make them Kryptonian, they’re still from Earth! Clark has lost his powers to people; does that make them Kryptonian when they get his powers? That’s just a ludicrous argument. Also if you think this no Kryptonians rule is broken then how come in Memoria (from season 3) when we see the flashback of baby Kal-El in his ship do we only get to see his parents arms? Because the rule is still in effect! The WB wouldn’t allow them so show Clarks parents. If you go and watch that episode with the commentary on the creators even say that that they weren’t allowed to show his parents fully.

I’m not even going to get into this Gene Hackman business you mentioned. I mean where did you get that from? I might agree that the WB would change their rule if they could get him, but you never know. I’m not going to get into that because that’s just something you pulled out of thin air.

You don’t have to break anything to me, I know that no one said anything about killing Zod or sending him to the looney bin. If you actually watched Smallville, you would know that most people Clark fights either die or they get sent away. And my point was that they couldn’t do that to someone like Zod. AlMiles wouldn’t be allowed to kill him off and someone with the same powers as Clark couldn’t just be sent off and the viewers just supposed to forget about him. I’m going to put this in bold because if I’m reading this right you’re really confused and I can’t believe my eyes. Smallville and the original Superman movies are not connected in anyway; they are totally separate and different, which is obvious if you actually watched them. They are totally different takes on the Superman story, so I don’t know why you’re talking about this taking place before Superman II. The movies and Smallville are not connected. Even though they aren’t connected if you actually watched Superman II you would know that Zod isn’t returning like you said, he had been trapped in the Phantom Zone ever since before Krypton exploded. Also Clark hasn’t found the Fortress of Solitude on Smallville yet, although that’s where we all know the crystal is taking him to next season. In the movies you’re right he found it before Zod came, but remember Smallville and the movies are separate.

Sorry I just really took issue with some of the things you said. But some of it you were just confused about so I just felt the need to help out and point some things out for you.

[BoDuke]

Originally posted by svmoney
Let me say this first, I really can’t believe someone else hasn’t taken apart some things you’ve said already. Because it’s obvious you are really confused about some things, but that’s okay I’ll help out. I respond to your post paragraph by paragraph.

You really really really need to go back and watch your episodes, because I don’t know where you got this “Clark has used flight in the past, several times.” That is so not true, he only used it once and that was in the season premiere for the 4th season, Crusade. That’s the only time we’ve seen him actually fly and AlMiles were able to get away with that because it technically wasn’t Clark, it was Kal-El. We’ve seen him hover before, so maybe that’s where you’re confused, but never fly expect that one episode.

Now on to Terrance Stamp, you’re wrong about him not appearing because he looks to old. Have you even actually seen Terrance Stamp lately? He doesn’t look 90 years old at all, he would look perfect for the part of Jor-El. AlMiles have even said they would want him to actually appear on the show but they can’t get the clearance. I just looked it up and Terrance Stamp is only 66 years old, perfect for the age of Jor-El. So I really don’t know where you got this business of him being too old or needing a walker. I guess you just didn’t know what you were saying. Even if someone doesn’t look the age for a part on Smallville they’ll still cast them, I mean do you honestly think Tom Welling looks 18? The episode you’re talking about where Tom Welling played Jor-El is called Relic and it’s from season 3. I don’t know where you came up with Jor-El being 17 in that episode, there was no mention of that in the episode or proof to back that up. Just because that’ how old Clark is supposed to be during that episode doesn’t mean that’s how old Jor-El was. They slicked back Tom Welling’s hair to make him look older even (and to make him look different I know). Also Lana’s aunt in that episode (played by Kristen Kreuk) was married, so obviously she was supposed to be older then Lana in that episode. And it appeared the aunt and Jor-El was supposed to be around the same age. Even though obviously Jor-El wasn’t supposed to be 17 then even if you think he was and like you said he should be 61 now, as I mentioned before Terrance Stamp is 66 now, so I don’t think 5 years is to much older. Even though that’s actually probably closer to how old Jor-El is supposed to actually be (well if he was alive really). But nonetheless this just points out how the no Kryptonians rule is still in effect, not that Terrance Stamp is too old, who knows where you got that crazy idea.

Again the episode you’re referring to is Relic, you don’t need to rehash it for me, I know what happened, and you’re the one that needs to go re-watch some episodes. But anyway, that’s ridiculous to say the rule is broken by that episode. Jor-El and Jonathan’s dad interacting doesn’t mean anything to his argument; don’t know why you said that. Anyways that’s ridiculous because it was Tom Welling play Jor-El, it’s still their lead guy it wasn’t anyone really different, and I’m sure that’s the only way they were able to do that episode was by having Tom Welling play Jor-El. But again even if you thought that broke the rule, why haven’t the show Jor-El in the present now?

Again he’s another instance you need to go back and watch your episodes, the one you mention about having Kara in it is the season 3 finale, Covenant. You need to go back and watch that because that wasn’t really Supergirl as you think she is. That was just some human girl that had gone missing and Jor-El kept till her needed her. He gave her powers like he did to Jonathan like you mentioned, but I can’t think you think that makes them Kryptonian! I mean are you serious? They were still humans, they just had powers for a little bit, that doesn’t make them Kryptonian, they’re still from Earth! Clark has lost his powers to people; does that make them Kryptonian when they get his powers? That’s just a ludicrous argument. Also if you think this no Kryptonians rule is broken then how come in Memoria (from season 3) when we see the flashback of baby Kal-El in his ship do we only get to see his parents arms? Because the rule is still in effect! The WB wouldn’t allow them so show Clarks parents. If you go and watch that episode with the commentary on the creators even say that that they weren’t allowed to show his parents fully.

I’m not even going to get into this Gene Hackman business you mentioned. I mean where did you get that from? I might agree that the WB would change their rule if they could get him, but you never know. I’m not going to get into that because that’s just something you pulled out of thin air.

You don’t have to break anything to me, I know that no one said anything about killing Zod or sending him to the looney bin. If you actually watched Smallville, you would know that most people Clark fights either die or they get sent away. And my point was that they couldn’t do that to someone like Zod. AlMiles wouldn’t be allowed to kill him off and someone with the same powers as Clark couldn’t just be sent off and the viewers just supposed to forget about him. I’m going to put this in bold because if I’m reading this right you’re really confused and I can’t believe my eyes. Smallville and the original Superman movies are not connected in anyway; they are totally separate and different, which is obvious if you actually watched them. They are totally different takes on the Superman story, so I don’t know why you’re talking about this taking place before Superman II. The movies and Smallville are not connected. Even though they aren’t connected if you actually watched Superman II you would know that Zod isn’t returning like you said, he had been trapped in the Phantom Zone ever since before Krypton exploded. Also Clark hasn’t found the Fortress of Solitude on Smallville yet, although that’s where we all know the crystal is taking him to next season. In the movies you’re right he found it before Zod came, but remember Smallville and the movies are separate.

Well maybe after you get some more posts in and go back and watch some episodes you’ll understand more.

WOW You wrote so much. If I read that I'll get a headache lol.

[M.D.]

Its Krypto! :p I think that TPTB are going to surprise us with someone we'd never suspect.

[Hal-El]

Originally posted by opera_ghost

2.) I'm a fan of the Zod idea... but the general zod in the comics... isn't the same as General Zod in the movies. The Zod in the current comics.. (The red darth vader looking thing.)... is a human being who has constructed a suit that changes our suns rays to mimick those of the red sun of krypton... thereby giving him powers equal to superman.[/B]

Actually, that Zod is not the current Zod in the comics because a) he's dead and b) another phantom zone Zod has appeared since then.

Also the Zod that you're referring to wasn't a normal human. He was a mutated human. That's why he was able to draw power from red solar energy.

[randy23]

I liked the Zod of Pokolistan, he was much better than the other Zod from "For Tomorrow."

[opera_ghost]

thanks for the clarification...

most of what I've drawn my info from... is the DC Universe encyclopedia. And in that, they only had 1 zod listed.

[johnsteward]

Hey guys i got a therory about why maybe it could be brainiac k but please dont flame me im going by memory.
Ok back on the old superman/batman show when brainiac was on it i think i remeber him telling sups about when he was younger he use to spy and collect data on him when he was in smallville i think that maybe this could just be TPTB taking a bit of thatand putting a twist on it or >.> the ship can open up suck lana up and take her to clark ^^;. If anyone can remeber that old episode or add anything to this please fill free to.

[randy23]

When did this show air? Late 90's?

[johnsteward]

yea it use to come on 4:30 in the afternoon on WB

[randy23]

The only animated show I remember was "Adventures of Superman", nothing that included Batman, but I could be wrong. I would have to look up that episode to see what happend. Maybe your right, and one of the writers could of remembered and used the idea. They could of thought that the general audience of Smallville do not watch cartoons and would not know about this information.

[johnsteward]

yea that is the show but i think lana was in that episode as well she said she found out about his powers when they were dating ill do more digging but thats just my 2 cents for the nite ^^

[kowcop]

just watching it again, and you can see the ship fly through the big rock which breaks it up.. the ship doesnt seem to come from inside the rock so the asteroid storm seem to be because the rock was in the way of the ship which was headed to earth (I may be wrong)

did anyone else notice this?

[johnsteward]

didnt tape it sorry but randy check out batman-superman.com and look under episodes called stollen memories and my girl thats where i got my idea from .

[Hal-El]

Originally posted by opera_ghost

most of what I've drawn my info from... is the DC Universe encyclopedia. And in that, they only had 1 zod listed.

Yeah, I noticed that. And they did the same thing with Zoom(only listing the current Flash villain that goes by that name).

[CheckIt!]

"We have an agreement with DC Comics and WARNER BROS., for example, not to introduce any other Kryptonians, which is because of the impending Superman movie," said Gough.

Not a Kryptonian
Al Gough tells TV GUIDE,
"We toyed with the idea of bringing General Zod into our SMALLVILLE universe, and they asked us not to do that because of the film. And we agreed. We're trying not to cross our signals that much."

[redhairs99]

Originally posted by samfish
Theres no way it's Zod. Bringing in Zod or Brainiac would be like jumping straight out of Smallville and right into Superman.
...besides, I personally think that Jor-El is actually Zod manipulating Clark from the Phantom Zone.

FINALLY! I was wondering if I was the only person out here that believes that what we've been told is Jor-El talking to Clark is actually Zod. I mean come on, it is Terrance Stamp after all (the original Zod). This seems to be to be too good for TPTB to pass up.

Whether or not the black thing is Zod, I don't know. I think the black deal is the eradicator, maybe Zod ( a long shot), or something totally new (best chance of being correct).

[opera_ghost]

You're not the only one's to have drawn that conclusion....

but the show already took action to disprove that to me.

It IS Jor-El.

Otherwise, when Clark remembered them placing him in the ship... the voice would have been different from Terrance Stamp. When he 'remembered' his mother... and how much she worried about someone loving him.

Jor-El may not be 'good' by our standards...but he's not zod. Besides, I think this whole 'conquer' thing comes from Clark assuming that's what the message in the ship meant.... It said, "They are a flawed race my son... rule them with strength.".... Rule could mean a great deal of things... It could mean.. lead them with strength... strength of character....... and is... lead by example... show them the good that is in them.. help them... protect them.... basically what superman already does.

Clark just assumed differently.

Or maybe that's how clark eventually comes to terms with his 'destiny.'

[blue7]

Originally posted by CheckIt!
"We have an agreement with DC Comics and WARNER BROS., for example, not to introduce any other Kryptonians, which is because of the impending Superman movie," said Gough.

Not a Kryptonian
Al Gough tells TV GUIDE,
"We toyed with the idea of bringing General Zod into our SMALLVILLE universe, and they asked us not to do that because of the film. And we agreed. We're trying not to cross our signals that much."

Good Job!

YES! Someone posted fact... so no, General Zod nor Jor 'El appearing in person.

[Zooks]

they could make up their own zod-ish character from a neighboring planet or something,

[blue7]

Maybe

[Steelegrave]

Originally posted by Zooks
they could make up their own zod-ish character from a neighboring planet or something,

Why?

[Krypton]

Darkside? Enemy from outer space, wasn't Darkside created in the vast outer reaches of the universe? Maybe i totally wrong but it's worth a shot.

[Steelegrave]

Originally posted by Krypton
Darkside? Enemy from outer space, wasn't Darkside created in the vast outer reaches of the universe? Maybe i totally wrong but it's worth a shot.
Darkside would eat Clark up and spit him out.

[blue7]

FYI,

Darkside/Darkseid is a ruler of a planet called Apokilypse. He created many things... very bad things.

[Krypton]

Yes but couldn't he have been the awakened enemy?

[bucketofwater]

The first thing I thought when I saw the ship after Jor El's warning to Clark was that Zod has made his SV appearance. But what purpose would this fit the SV mythos? Well, Jor-El's wish was for Kal El to accept his destiny and rule the earlthlings. Why does the earth need a ruler? Does humanity's inert tendency for evil and destruction have cosmic consequenses that the Kryponians forsee? Is a Kryptonian ruler necessary to subjegate the cruel and violent Earthlings. And if Humanity cannot be controlled by the son of Jor-El, would a more drastic, and perhaps less benevolent ruler be needed to beat us, a corrupt and violent race of beings, into submission. Released from the Phantom Zone when the kryptonian artifact was used as a tool of death and destruction, a new solution to the violent and unpredictability of the human race will be unleashed upon the earth. Only with the knowlege from the FOS can CK learn the secrets of the universe that will allow him to batthle the toughest foe he has ever enountered.

Jor el sent the last surviving Kryptonian to Earth to save humanity from their own evil nature. That is what Superman does. he fights for (in the mid 20'th century nationalistic sense) Truth, Justice and the American Way. [Which, in the broader sense, had at one time anyway (before illegal and immoral warmongering), meant idealogical goodness over evil.] General Zod, though, as a failsafe, and as another surviving son of Krypton, would have the capacity, and in deed the personality, to subjegate humanity and achieve the desired result. That result is to bring order and predictability to a planet and race of beings who, throughout Earth's history, have shown an utter lack of ability to do unto themselves.

General Zod, being placed in a spacecraft, sealed inside an asteroid for banishment withing the phantom zone (is this any worse an idea than a triangle) is released from his prison when it becomes clear that the son of Jor el has failed in his stewardship over humanity. Now Zod will be unleased and order will be restored to the galaxy.

[blue7]

Krypton:
If you're talkin' about Clark (maybe indirectly) since he did have a choice: collect the stones sooner or face the consequences.

[Kryptomaniac]

Clark's luggage arrived a little late, but better late than never! If it's the House of El shape, it has to be a good ship, right?


Originally posted by kowcop
just watching it again, and you can see the ship fly through the big rock which breaks it up.. the ship doesnt seem to come from inside the rock so the asteroid storm seem to be because the rock was in the way of the ship which was headed to earth (I may be wrong)

did anyone else notice this?

You think the black ship hit the big asteroid on purpose? So it would arrive in smaller, less damaging pieces?

[blue7]

Originally posted by Kryptomaniac
Clark's luggage arrived a little late, but better late than never! If it's the House of El shape, it has to be a good ship, right?



You think the black ship hit the big asteroid on purpose? So it would arrive in smaller, less damaging pieces?

Yeah, its definitely from the house of 'El. Even if its black, doesn't really necessary its evil.

Jor 'El said its a great danger (the ship) not a great 'evil'. Danger does not really equal 'evil'.

[svmoney]

Originally posted by BoDuke
WOW You wrote so much. If I read that I'll get a headache lol.
Yeah well that's cause the person I was responding to said so much stuff that wasn't true I had to respond back with a lot of info. But they never came back and responed to me, so whatever. But if anyone read my 5 page post they would see I mentioned how AlMiles are still under the no Kryptonian rule, but I'm glad to see other people here picked up on that themselves already.

[SuperPillowGun]

Could the ship be empty? maybe a new ship for Clark to leave earth with...What do you think?????

[bert_petchie]

The ship at the end could it be Vartox. One of the classic superman enemies. Is an extraterrestrial from the planet Valeron, which blows up, and so Vartox come to Earth. He also has a romance with Lana Lang. He also has super powers similar to superman. Maybe the stones that should have been reunited earlier on would have stopped Valeron blowing up or the human blood on the stone sent Vartox to come and get them. Who knows this guessing game is fun.

[reporterchik15]

got to be zod!
1) jor-el imprissoned him that would explain the black ship & the crest of the house of El. also the dude loves black.
2) jor-el told clark that he had to get the stones to prevent the worlds destructiona and corruption so now clark knows jor-el doen't want him to rule earth just help the ppl.
Zod is the one that fits but my question is: is he alone or is his two cronies with him?

[Radioflyer]

It seems to me that Lionel had the second stone, the stone of transference in his pocket when the light flashed. So I think Jor-El went into Lionel. So Jor-El will be inhabiting Lionel, giving him the mobility he was lacking while being stuck in the cave.

[So0PAH mAYN]

hmmm...maybe....

[DarkJustice]

Thats an interesting Idea, but the stones were just supposed to be the knowledge of the universe right? Not that they would contain Jor-El.

[Radioflyer]

Good point. But I got the impression that when joined they lead to an archive of knowledge and are not the Archive itself. some of he seekers of the stones thought it would give them great power and others thought it would give them great knowledge. It seems to me its just a steeping stone to the fortress of Solitude, nothing more. But if they are sticking to established formula it will be a build up to no payoff, just like Calling, Exodus and Exile crusade.

[ironchef926]

I believe that it is Jor-El. I'm not sure how that would work out, since he apparently only exists in the form of a memory, and would need to have some sort of physical make-up to arrive in a ship. It is, however, the most logical possibility.

According to Gough, Zod is out...

Just think about it. We've heard Jor-El many, many times. And, as hard as he has fought (and as often as he's failed) to regain control of Clark by way of manipulating others, Don't you think it was only a matter of time before he showed up in person to take matters into his own hands?

[smallvilleclark]

When did gough say that that zod was out?

[ironchef926]

there's a quote from TV Guide posted on page 11 of this thread.

[Lexgirl33]

Originally posted by Bwookie
It's a ship that has come to take Lana back to her home planet of pink!

Lets hope so, so we dont have to see her again!

[WeWantSuperman]

Hey everybody,
I think i've figured out exactly what's in that black spaceship - the writers/producers. It makes sense, because Jor-El said that Clark had awoken a "great darkness" by not putting the stones together in time, so obviously what is in the ship is purely evil, and with Clark going into the fortress of solitude episode 5.1 What is in the ship must be what he has to battle to become superman - Al/Miles!!
I'm so glad I figured this all out, it all makes sense now.

Think about it - the only thing holding Clark back from becoming who he is destined to be -
SUPERMAN - is the writers.

I can just see it, season 5, the ship opens - al and miles walk out and voila... heal Lana of course. Then set out to continue destroying Kal-El just like they have been all season 4,
I just pray Kal-El has the wisdom/courage from Jor-El/being in the Fortress of Solitude to majorly kick their big butts this time around!

[montevallo]

ok everyone, i have this crazy idea, what if there are two kryptonians in the ship, that are deciples of zod, i bet they'll come out, kill a bunch of cops and then go search for clark, but of course, i could be wrong, i mean, no one knows for sure.

[Magus]

that wasn't nice. this is a forum strictly about this episode. NO SPOILERS!
I know, it was a joke and the premiere was months ago, but even so.