Its All Lana's Fault

[NightwingRobin85]

All of us Chlarkers now have a real good reason to hate Lana. She is the cause of the meteor shower. She stabbed "Dr Quinn" and cause all of this

LANA IS EVIL !!!

[LexLuthor92]

amen!!! as soon as i heard the metor shower was because of the blood stained element, i was happy bacause it is all lana's fault.

[MsSullivan]

if johnathan kent dies she's getting all the blame, ha!

[applecrash]

That is exactly what I thought while watching this episode. Lana (Isobelle) should have found another object to kill Genevieve with.

If I was Lana, I'd definitely change my plans for the future and move out of town.

[abarsami]

Ironic... first one kills her parents... I guess she got revenge.

She can't be mad at Clark anymore when she learns his secret.

[Summers]

When Jor-El said how the meteors happened...my sister and I yelled "ITS ALL LANA'S FAULT" :lol:. See, I said long ago when she hide that stone it could be a good move or a bad move by Lana lol.

[MsSullivan]

^^my thoughts exactly, lol

[RedPhoenix23]

Isobel killed GT 'yall! Not Lana!

Anyways if that crazy chick was trying to kill me I would have stuck her with the closet sharp object as well.

[Summers]

We knew that, but technically if Lana didnt hide the stone it would never been used to kill GT. Its a ripple effect by one's own choices :D.

But see I was right in the senerio if Isobel killed GT no more Isobel.

[arachkid]

Lana's isn't directly responsible for this meteor shower, same as Clark wasn't directly responsible for the first.

[wendymeze]

Originally posted by NightwingRobin85
All of us Chlarkers now have a real good reason to hate Lana. She is the cause of the meteor shower. She stabbed "Dr Quinn" and cause all of this

LANA IS EVIL !!!
I'm not entirely sure that it was a good thing for Chlarkers. Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a scenario where the writers have Clark and Lana 'bond' over the fact that they both were the cause of a meteor shower.

"Clark... I caused the meteor shower... it was all my fault! I squished the parents of little girls!"

"Lana, it's okay. I've squished the parents of little girls, too! If there's one thing I've learned, it's that... sometimes parents get squished."

"Oh, Clark... I've never loved you more!"

*Lifehouse plays*

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Isobel killed GT 'yall! Not Lana!

Anyways if that crazy chick was trying to kill me I would have stuck her with the closet sharp object as well.

LOL, it's still Lana but her split personality is the murderess ;) :p

I wonder how Lana fans will excuse this :rolleyes: Oh yeah by saying she was possessed at the time :lol:


Originally posted by wendymeze
I'm not entirely sure that it was a good thing for Chlarkers. Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a scenario where the writers have Clark and Lana 'bond' over the fact that they both were the cause of a meteor shower.

"Clark... I caused the meteor shower... it was all my fault! I squished the parents of little girls!"

"Lana, it's okay. I've squished the parents of little girls, too! If there's one thing I've learned, it's that... sometimes parents get squished."

"Oh, Clark... I've never loved you more!"

*Lifehouse plays*




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[chlarklove]

Originally posted by wendymeze
I'm not entirely sure that it was a good thing for Chlarkers. Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a scenario where the writers have Clark and Lana 'bond' over the fact that they both were the cause of a meteor shower.

"Clark... I caused the meteor shower... it was all my fault! I squished the parents of little girls!"

"Lana, it's okay. I've squished the parents of little girls, too! If there's one thing I've learned, it's that... sometimes parents get squished."

"Oh, Clark... I've never loved you more!"

*Lifehouse plays*


:rotfl:

[Ranger]

So if the meteors came from the blood stained element does that mean Lana is responsible for the second ship and whatever evil it holds (if it holds evil). Lana could be directly responsible for an entire season of death and destruction.

[Summers]

Originally posted by arachkid
Lana's isn't directly responsible for this meteor shower, same as Clark wasn't directly responsible for the first.

eh, yes and no. Lana did steal that stone to herself by choice. She also said she knew it was meant for Clark. Her choice is what eventully led up to this moment. Clark didnt have a choice anywhere whereas Lana did. Choices and consequences will do that.

I dont see it as a bad thing because I love when shows, books, and films emphasis it.

[MBCorp]

I wonder why the stone had to be bloodied for the meteor shower to happen? If it's some sort of defense against humans using the stones for ill will, then why does a stone have to get blood on it for the shower to take place? What if a human united them and blood never got on a stone? Seems like a weird defense mechanism.:\

[vanilla_bandit]

I actually think lionel was the one responsible for it because if he hadn't lied about giving the stone to lana, gen would have never gone to lana's apartment and thereofore never gotten killed with the stone.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by NightwingRobin85
All of us Chlarkers now have a real good reason to hate Lana. She is the cause of the meteor shower. She stabbed "Dr Quinn" and cause all of this

LANA IS EVIL !!!

YES SHE IS!!!! I really can't say more than that. :p

[wendymeze]

Originally posted by MBCorp
I wonder why the stone had to be bloodied for the meteor shower to happen? If it's some sort of defense against humans using the stones for ill will, then why does a stone have to get blood on it for the shower to take place? What if a human united them and blood never got on a stone? Seems like a weird defense mechanism.:\
It does seem weird. And if you really wanted to prevent human blood from getting on it, maybe those silly kryptonians should have designed it to have fewer pointy edges?

[Summers]

Originally posted by vanilla_bandit
yea i actually think lionel was the one responsible for it because if he hadn't lied about giving the stone to lana, gen would have never gone to lana's apartment and thereofore never gotten killed with the stone.

But if Lana did have the Air stone at all it would have never happened. She did that choice way before Lionel's lie.

IMO It all ties into Sacred wiith what Jor-El said. It doesnt belong in a human hands, and blood just fastforwards the process.

[RedPhoenix23]

But did Lana really stage a break in? Or did Jason hire some one to do it-trying to take the stone back after winning her trust? If Lana didn't have that stone, then GT might have shot her because Lionel lied.

[Dragonpryde]

Originally posted by wendymeze
I'm not entirely sure that it was a good thing for Chlarkers. Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a scenario where the writers have Clark and Lana 'bond' over the fact that they both were the cause of a meteor shower.

"Clark... I caused the meteor shower... it was all my fault! I squished the parents of little girls!"

"Lana, it's okay. I've squished the parents of little girls, too! If there's one thing I've learned, it's that... sometimes parents get squished."

"Oh, Clark... I've never loved you more!"

*Lifehouse plays*


As a Clana fan, I feel I should taking offense by this sarcasm..but I'm so not. ^^
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Summers]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
But did Lana really stage a break in? Or did Jason hire some one to do it-trying to take the stone back after winning her trust? If Lana didn't have that stone, then GT might have shot her because Lionel lied.

Lana did stage the break-in. That's how she was able to convince Jason the stone was gone. So basically yea. It was a ripple effect on that one choice she made. Kinda cool huh....and funny at the same time...sort of.

[vanilla_bandit]

jason could also be at blame since he was the one that gave lana the stone in the first place

[arachkid]

Originally posted by Summers
eh, yes and no. Lana did steal that stone to herself by choice. She also said she knew it was meant for Clark. Her choice is what eventully led up to this moment. Clark didnt have a choice anywhere whereas Lana did. Choices and consequences will do that.

I dont see it as a bad thing because I love when shows, books, and films emphasis it.

The sperm that made Clark could have chosen not to cause inception, therefore not becoming a child, and not causing Jor-El to send him in a ship to earth <I'm figuring it was a wormhole or something similar that brought Kal-El to earth, and thus the meteors>. :p

Lana, at most, is responsible for fighting Genevieve and not just handing over the stone. From there, it's all Lanabell's fault, and the witch is dead... finally.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vanilla_bandit
jason could also be at blame since he was the one that gave lana the stone in the first place

Jason gave her the stone, but it was Lana's choice that had the ripple effect. Opportunity presented itself, and Lana made a choice. Well, technically two since she couldve just gave it to Clark since she knew it belonged ot him. If Lana didnt make those choices, then outcome would have been different. Its not a bad thing...well, meteor killing everyone yes, but its cool emphasis on choices a person makes.

She made a bad choice. Everyone does.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Summers
Lana did stage the break-in. That's how she was able to convince Jason the stone was gone. So basically yea. It was a ripple effect on that one choice she made. Kinda cool huh....and funny at the same time...sort of.

I get what you're sayin' it makes sense. But if Lana was all "poor me" before....Just think how she is going to be after she blames herself for the meteor shower!

[Summers]

Originally posted by arachkid
The sperm that made Clark could have chosen not to cause inception, therefore not becoming a child, and not causing Jor-El to send him in a ship to earth <I'm figuring it was a wormhole or something similar that brought Kal-El to earth, and thus the meteors>. :p

Lana, at most, is responsible for fighting Genevieve and not just handing over the stone. From there, it's all Lanabell's fault, and the witch is dead... finally.

Then your basically saying the meteors that came was cause directly by Clark? Clark is the indirect one. Lana is the direct one. Just imagine how she would feel if she found out how the meteors where caused. It would go all the way back to "Lucy" where her she made her choice.

[Knoxy]

Originally posted by Summers
Jason gave her the stone, but it was Lana's choice that had the ripple effect. Opportunity presented itself, and Lana made a choice. Well, technically two since she couldve just gave it to Clark since she knew it belonged ot him. If Lana didnt make those choices, then outcome would have been different. Its not a bad thing...well, meteor killing everyone yes, but its cool emphasis on choices a person makes.

She made a bad choice. Everyone does.
That makes sense but it seems like the emphasis was on Clark's choices. He pretty much chose to ignore the stones until he had the dream about the meteor shower.

[arachkid]

Originally posted by Summers
Then your basically saying the meteors that came was cause directly by Clark? Clark is the indirect one. Lana is the direct one. Just imagine how she would feel if she found out how the meteors where caused. It would go all the way back to "Lucy" where her she made her choice.

Did Lana force GT to come after her for the stone? Nope. That's indirect if anything in my opinion. I have a good amount of money in my bank account, does this make it my fault directly if someone comes after me, especially if I don't flaunt it/tell anyone about it? The whole GT coming after Lana was set in motion more by Lionel than Lana. GT didn't know Lana had a seperate one, she was coming after her specifically for the one Lionel said she had, even though it's in his possession.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Knoxy
That makes sense but it seems like the emphasis was on Clark's choices. He pretty much chose to ignore the stones until he had the dream about the meteor shower.

To be fair, if Clark knew a giant meteor shower was going to smash Smallville again-I'm sure he would searched just a wee-bit harder.

[vanilla_bandit]

I thought about it some more and i am now thinking once more that it was lionel's fault since he gave the map of the temple to jason then jason got the stone then he gave it to lana then she made the choice. lana would've never made the choice if jason had not given her the stone and he would've never had the stone if he wasn't given the map by lionel.

[Ranger]

Yeah if your trying to ignore destiny I'd forget the rocks. I mean it isn't like someone told him:
"There are three stones, find them as soon as you can or the world will end" I mean if he got that in his instruction manual he might have been a little more eager in his search.

[Summers]

Originally posted by arachkid
Did Lana force GT to come after her for the stone? Nope. That's indirect if anything in my opinion. I have a good amount of money in my bank account, does this make it my fault directly if someone comes after me, especially if I don't flaunt it/tell anyone about it? The whole GT coming after Lana was set in motion more by Lionel than Lana. GT didn't know Lana had a seperate one, she was coming after her specifically for the one Lionel said she had, even though it's in his possession.

That's the ripple effect I'm talking about. Its all connected look, but things alter when there is a choice look:
Before choice chronologically, and this is indirect:
-Crusade Lana gets the tattoo
-finds some stuff about Isobel
-Lionel tells Lana Jason is in China....Sacred stuff happens
-Jason gives her the stone

Now here is where the choice comes in. Lana stages the apartment break-in, and steals it for herself. Thus begans the ripple effect:
-Lionel
-GT
-apartment

Lionel and GT were indirectly involved in this after Lana's choice. It all changes when it came to the choice in "Lucy" after that its all a ripple effect. If Lana didnt take it for herself the outcome wouldve been totally different. It all comes down to Lana. She made the choice, and here are the consequences.

Clark had the choice to actually look for the crystals, but he did not. That was his choice. Lana and Clark's choices intertwined. Both of them made bad choices.

[Knoxy]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
To be fair, if Clark knew a giant meteor shower was going to smash Smallville again-I'm sure he would searched just a wee-bit harder.
I'm not trying to be unfair to Clark's Choices but it makes more sense that the meteor shower is a result of him neglecting his destiny. Because the guilt will force him to embrace it and starting the process of him becoming Superman. I just think that is where TPTB were going with it.

[wendymeze]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
To be fair, if Clark knew a giant meteor shower was going to smash Smallville again-I'm sure he would searched just a wee-bit harder.
Not only that, but I'm sure he must have been hesitant to do anything Jor-El requested him to. Clark had no idea what would happen if he combined the stones; considering his father's track record, I'm sure there must have been some suspicion that something horrible might have happened.

[RedKalEL]

I just think it would of been funny if the old lady for family matters popped in out of nowhere and instead of saying "way to go carl" she says "WAY TO GO LANA!" lol

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by RedKalEL
I just think it would of been funny if the old lady for family matters popped in out of nowhere and instead of saying "way to go carl" she says "WAY TO GO LANA!" lol

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

What if the dude from The Waterboy-Rob Schneider, popped in and said "you can do it!":lol: :p

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

I think that it was inevitable for Lana to do it, she had to fullfill her destiny, and that was to kill GT. If she didn't then Isobel would have inhabited her body forever. I think this was just another test for Clark, a test for him to finally accept his true destiny, and how he would face a devastating, deadly event such as this. Had Lana not done her part, Clark probably would have left the stones as they were. He had one and that would keep others from unlocking the knowledge. He wasn't that he chose to ignore his destiny, it was that he feared his destiny. Up until that point, he still didn't know who to trust and what to think.

[4EverSmallville]

IMO both Clark and Lana are caught red-handed on this one, Lana more directly.

[SoulCystic]

I think I would put it back on Clark. Remeber in the episode where he blows up his ship and makes Martha miscarry? Bo Kent lectures him on doing things off the cuff and not thinking about the consequences. Jor-el has been testing him and smacking him in the back of the head all season and he hasn't done a heckuvalot to either stop the whole thing or at least search it out. I mean if it was so important for him to get programmed into KAl-El and fly across the world to get the first one...doncha think he should tried to get the others aweebit harder?

[4EverSmallville]

I guarantee Clark will see all of this as his fault. Lana may have a little guilt, but despite how much anyone tries to convince him, Clark is going to bare the burden of this.

IMO they're both to blame.

[happasaiyan]

lana/clana bashers are just trying to find another reason to hate.

[RedPhoenix23]

yep yep! They are a ruthless bunch, aren't they?;)

[SoulCystic]

Clana, Chlark, Clois, Chlalicia. .... Man, Clark has his own little mini-harem. He's a Pimp!

[RedPhoenix23]

LOL, especially when red k is involved!

[SoulCystic]

HAHAHA! Its his PimpJuice!

[Addicted_to_Smallville]

actually i think its all jason's fault................................. because he sent lana into isobel tomb and got isobels spirit into lana and then jason gives her the stone at end of sacred and lana didnt have control of when se was isobel

[SoulCystic]

But really in the great by&by....it's AlMiles fault. And I really don't have problem with the whole stones Arc. Actually I think it was a decent way to do it. Would you rather have just had him find a crystal in the ship and throw it as far as he could?

[happasaiyan]

Originally posted by Addicted_to_Smallville
actually i think its all jason's fault................................. because he sent lana into isobel tomb and got isobels spirit into lana and then jason gives her the stone at end of sacred and lana didnt have control of when se was isobel
actually, you can go farther back than that. GT set everything in motion. shes the reason jason and lana even met in the first place.


Originally posted by SoulCystic
But really in the great by&by....it's AlMiles fault. And I really don't have problem with the whole stones Arc. Actually I think it was a decent way to do it. Would you rather have just had him find a crystal in the ship and throw it as far as he could?
i dont know why so many people hated on the stones arc. i thought it flowed relatively well, and held the whole season together with one overlaying theme. i thought it was good, but my only gripe was that it was put on the back burner in some epps.

im looking forward to the villian arc (lets hope...this will be a BIG change in dynamics for smallville) for next season!!

[Bwookie]

I didn't see this as Lana's fault. She has no idea what the stone's did or what they were capable of.

But the whole Isobel arc was finished lamely. Two minutes. Over.

WHAT! They put us through Spell and Sacred for 2 mins in the finale? Why!?!?!

[smallville_girlie]

:rotfl:
This was the first thing that I thought of. It is Lana's fault.

[VersesBatman]

Lana's and Clark's fault. Lana should not have kept the stone, buuuuuuut Clark should have got off his lazy butt and looked for the stones like Jor-El told him to do in the first place.


Originally posted by Bwookie
I didn't see this as Lana's fault. She has no idea what the stone's did or what they were capable of.

But the whole Isobel arc was finished lamely. Two minutes. Over.

WHAT! They put us through Spell and Sacred for 2 mins in the finale? Why!?!?!
I couldn't believe it myself. Jane Seymore deserved better.

[RedPhoenix23]

Jane Seymore, yes. GT, no!!! She was creepy!!!! Glad she's gone!!

[Crazy4Smallville]

From my review:


So, it ends up that the meteors shower is now all her fault, because according to Jor-El – it is a result of Lana killing Genevieve, and her blood that brought it on. Now will Lana be like Clark, and carry the guilt of everyone who will be affected by this meteor shower?

[MBCorp]

I sincerely doubt if tptb blame Lana for this...not precious Lana! No, all the blame will be put on poor Clark. You know it will!

[VersesBatman]

Yep.

He'll do the "noble thing" and take all the blame so the princess will remain stainless and untouched.

[MBCorp]

I don't even think they'll have Clark voluntarily take the blame, I think what will happen is tptb will never acknowledge the fact that it was Lana' fault. I bet that'll never even enter their minds. They probably do blame Clark for this and would never think of blaming Lana. That's why I don't think there will be any guilt from Lana, because I don't think the writers feel that she is to be blamed. That's just my take on what's going to happen.

[Bwookie]

Makes sense. Since Clark is the only one who knows that she IS responsible.

And I don't think he'd tell her. Lana, btw meteors all YOUR fault!

[SupermansNotDead]

It may be Lana's fault, but how awesome was it to see that b!tch Dr. Quinn get stabbed? Man I love when people get whats coming to them.

[Bwookie]

Actually GT never really did anything terribly Evil.

I can't think of anything.

[MBCorp]

Well, GT did have Jason torture Lex with a red hot poker. That was evil. And she was going to kill Lana, which wasn't quite as evil but still not very nice.

[SupermansNotDead]

not to mention being an all around condecending my-crap-don't-stink-stuck-up-beeyotch.

Also, she was a waste of screentime IMO

[SmallTownSuperHero]

O_O

HOW DARE YOU SPEAK THAT WAY ABOUT JANE SEYMOUR!

Bond girl, Dr. Quinn, and evil Stonehunter!!!! She can play 'em all!

Not to mention putting her baby up as the Gerber baby!

[SupermansNotDead]

Originally posted by SmallTownSuperHero
O_O

HOW DARE YOU SPEAK THAT WAY ABOUT JANE SEYMOUR!

Bond girl, Dr. Quinn, and evil Stonehunter!!!! She can play 'em all!

Not to mention putting her baby up as the Gerber baby!

Tru dat, but Smallville gave her nothing to work with.

[BrokenHero]

wow, is this post a joke? or do people really blame Lana for the meteor shower? If anything, there is blame enough to go around. Gertrude caused Isobel to curse her descendants. Jason caused Lana to be possessed by Isobel. Lionel sent Genevieve to Lana's apartment. With the curse in mind, there is less choice involved than there is fate.

[SoulCystic]

Originally posted by SupermansNotDead
not to mention being an all around condecending my-crap-don't-stink-stuck-up-beeyotch.

Also, she was a waste of screentime IMO

I think I could put up with that.....:p :D

[Kryptonian Sage]

Originally posted by Ranger
So if the meteors came from the blood stained element does that mean Lana is responsible for the second ship and whatever evil it holds (if it holds evil). Lana could be directly responsible for an entire season of death and destruction.

Well, this is how I see it from watching the episode last night.

It started off with the 'Previously on Smallville" comment and in that montage of clips, it showed the shooting star hitting the object and sending it Earthward. We flash through clips from other episodes in order leading up to now. Enter the meteors which break apart and come to the planet as another shower - right on Smallville.

If you recall the episode "Relic", Jor-El was on earth, in Smallville no less. With everything that happened in the episode, Jor-El was helped by Jonathan's father and he was thankful. If memory serves, I believe he even held him in high regard for that. So why wouldn't then, with Krypton exploding and Jor-El sending his son away, send the child to the place he knows where Clark would be accepted - Smallville, preferably the Kent family.

As fate would have it, Clark DID end up with the Kents. A Father helped a Father, a son helps a son.

Now, the crystals are part of Clark's heritage, his birthright. I'm sure Jor-El didn't want the heritage of Kryton to be lost so it became Clark's destiny to unite the stones and lead him to where the last bastion of Kryptonian knowledge and history was. If they do it like the movie, the crystal will build the fortress, otherwise, perhaps it's already here and the crystal is to lead him to it.

Clark however, rebelled against his 'destiny' and didn't collect the stones in time. And because of that, I believe the 2nd meteor shower was attracted to the earth. People of evil intent touched the crystals, perhaps attracting/informing not only Clark, but whatever it was inside the meteor as well - acting like a beacon to where those crystals were. After all, if Clark can use them, why not someone/thing else with knowledge of Krypton? Enter Lana using the crystal, as Isobel, to kill GT. With her death, the tattoo is gone - Isobel is appeased, but the evil has been done, the pure crystal is tainted now with blood - sealing the arrival of a great evil according to Jor-El. (Poor Lana is at ground zero of whatever it is).

So where does all this go....?

Simple, it's Clark's fault.

[TML]

*Makes the sign of the cross at all Chlarkers*
"Stay back! You can't contaminate my mind with your journalistic psychobabble!"

Anyway... it's like saying that because some woman had a fight with their husband it's their fault that when he went to work, let's assume he's a dentist, he was so agitated that he faltered with the drill and poked someone's gums instead of the tooth.

Strange example, but you get my point.

I felt immense compassion towards Lana. I immediately began to hope that Clark would come back from his sub-zero surroundings and assure her she couldn't have known.
It's just like Clark couldn't know the consequences of letting the stones fall into wrong hands. The two have come full circle about each other and hence they will, if Clark would just tell her everything, be perfect for each other.

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

that is why I think it was inevitable for each of them to have the events unfold the way they did. She had to free herself from Isobel and the only way was to kill GT. He has to face a foe (meteors and whatever is in the ship) that he may not be able to overcome. The last test for Clark wasn't about sacraficing himself for his family, but, for the fate of the world. That is one true test that he is ready. So far, he seems ready to me.

[supersweetsmallville]

Originally posted by NightwingRobin85
All of us Chlarkers now have a real good reason to hate Lana. She is the cause of the meteor shower. She stabbed "Dr Quinn" and cause all of this

LANA IS EVIL !!!

.....okay......i am not sure how it is ALL her fault because she is not the only one who had a stone but even if she had some part in it, wouldn't it compensate for the fact that she gave the stone to Clark, without ?.
..and dumb a** Jason is obsessed for the wrong reasons; although he was pretty close to finding everything out.

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by supersweetsmallville
.....okay......i am not sure how it is ALL her fault because she is not the only one who had a stone but even if she had some part in it, wouldn't it compensate for the fact that she gave the stone to Clark, without ?.

Except, you know, she didn't give it to Clark until it was too late. She should have givin it to him earlier.

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

How is she to blame when it wasn't her that killed GT, it was Isobel. Didn't you see Isobel take control over Lana's body when GT was about to strangler her to death?

[Sierra-san]

Originally posted by NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn
How is she to blame when it wasn't her that killed GT, it was Isobel. Didn't you see Isobel take control over Lana's body when GT was about to strangler her to death?

But if Lana hadn't kept the stone in the first place, Isobel wouldn't have been able to kill GT with the stone, thus tainting it.

[rx7g3n3s1s]

Originally posted by arachkid
Lana's isn't directly responsible for this meteor shower, same as Clark wasn't directly responsible for the first.
yea, it wouldnt be entirely lana's fault, clark should have grabbed those stones in the first place, from Crusade

[SoulCystic]

I think that we should all just come to the concensus that Smallville is full of iresponsible, hateful, deceitful people.

But the girls are so hot...does it matter?:p

[Hyde]

Lana is the cause of every tragic outcome. She's the reason why Clark will leave, she's the reason for the meteor shower, she's the reason why Lex will become evil, she's the reason for every damn tragic outcome.

[VersesBatman]

Maybe they should put her in that 33.1 room.

[BeepBeep]

Ridiculous.

That's all I can say right now.

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

Originally posted by Sierra-san
But if Lana hadn't kept the stone in the first place, Isobel wouldn't have been able to kill GT with the stone, thus tainting it.

Ok, but if she hadn't kept the stone, then she would never have had GT come after her, then would never have killed her, thus freeing Isobel from her body. Lana would not have killed her just to do that, Isobel is the only one with the fortitude to take that risk. My point was, that she had to kill her with the stone, because she had to taint the stone, because she had to bring forth this unspeakable evil, because Clark has finally got to comfront his destiny and this was the only way for him to finally do so.

[MBCorp]

We were right about Lana all along...she is the villain of the story! :eek:

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

Lana can't be the villian of the story. Why are you people so determined to blame her? Are you guys like 50 year old men that still think that woman are to blame for everything and need to stay in the kitchen? It was fate that made her (Isobel) kill GT, and so brought forth the Evil. Technically the meteor shower started before she killed GT, but GT's blood on the stone cause the Evil.

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by MBCorp
We were right about Lana all along...she is the villain of the story! :eek:

:D i agree

[aqua]

Originally posted by MBCorp
We were right about Lana all along...she is the villain of the story! :eek:

Heh! They should have had Lex's saying that in "Onyx" and then having it voiceover a random scene. Like a bad Japenese kungfu movie!

[superfrodo]

Hey, I've been trying to tell people that Lana was evil since last season (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12413&highlight=SuperTheory)! Of course, everyone always ignores me...which is odd, because I'm right AGAIN! Mwah ha ha!

- Tiff

[aqua]

And I liked Dr. Quinn! :-(

[Knoxy]

Originally posted by Hyde
Lana is the cause of every tragic outcome. She's the reason why Clark will leave, she's the reason for the meteor shower, she's the reason why Lex will become evil, she's the reason for every damn tragic outcome.
So I guess it's safe to say you don't think to highly of Lana:)

Seriously though, I don't think she is to blame for the meteor shower. She wouldn't have kept the stone if she knew the whole story just as Clark wouldn't have neglected his destiny if he knew as well.

Clark will leave Smallville to fullfil his destiny and Lex becomes evil because....well we would need a new thread to get into all of that.

[KryptoniteJem]

Lana is the cause of every tragic outcome. She's the reason why Clark will leave, she's the reason for the meteor shower, she's the reason why Lex will become evil, she's the reason for every damn tragic outcome.

Wow, you must be watching a very warped up version of Smallville.

1) Lana was not the reason Clark left in ANY seasons and she certainly isn't the cause of why Clark left in this season finale. I don't know where you came to that conclusion, but whatever.

2) She was NOT the reason for the meteor shower. She was being possessed by Isobel, and Isobel did promise she would kill her decendents. You cannot blame Lana for something that a possessive witch did. It makes no sense.

3) Lex has been evil for quite some time. Remember all those lies he told Clark when Clark lost his memory? Or even before that? That was his first step tp becoming evil, and if I recall, Lana was not there to push Lex into that. In this episode, Lex just wanted Lana safe. How was Lana pushing Lex to become evil in this episode? Just because he lost his temper when Lana didn't have the stone? He lost his temper more than once. With Chloe.

4) What tragic outcome did Lana do? Tell me one reasonable scene where she CAUSED mayhem. When she wasn't possessed or anything. If you're talking about Lana being the cause of Chlark not happening, remember, that was Clarks choice also.

KJ

[rx7g3n3s1s]

Originally posted by Hyde
Lana is the cause of every tragic outcome. She's the reason why Clark will leave, she's the reason for the meteor shower, she's the reason why Lex will become evil, she's the reason for every damn tragic outcome. wtf? thats just like saying, WHY THE HELL DO YOU EXIST?!!, first of all the main reason there was a meteor shower was because of GT, if it werent for her, lana wouldnt have killed her, btw that's called self defense, you dont lie there having someone strangle you to death, 2nd of all how is she the reason why clark will leave?

[black_angel]

Some poeple says that Lana has some kind of guilt because she " brought" the meteor shower by killing GT with the stone. But the only guilt she has, is that she killed a person that's all. She don't know about the " if you stained the stone with blood a Meteor shower will come." Maybe Clark will someday tell her that or the Thing int the ship will tell her ( if it talk ) but for now she only think " I've killed someone what should i do... " stuff like that.

And imo it was Isobel Fault not Lana

[PacMan]

Originally posted by BeepBeep
Ridiculous.

That's all I can say right now.

:D

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

KryptoniteJem
thank you..finally someone with some sense.

[unPTC]

Using the original posters logic, we could say that it's all Clark's fault b/c if he'd let Lana known he was after the stones when it first came up (Sacred) she would have known to give it to him sooner....and is there actually confusion over whether Lana is responsible for Isobel's actions? She has never remembered anything Isobel has done...why can't anyone give her credit for giving the stone to Clark??? Without that stone-- blood stained or not-- he would have likely not have found the third....

[Hyde]

No, unPTC, because that's not possible. Lana's presence made it for Clark impossible to tell her anything ... so it is still her fault :D

[unPTC]

How did Lana's presence make it impossible for Clark to tell her anything?

[Hyde]

Well ... men haven't figured it out yet ...

[So0PAH mAYN]

i like lana but at the same time i dont...but i dont think it was lanas fault...it was isobels and clarks fault...if only clark had listened to jor-el then probably none of this would have happened.....well thats what i think..

[Summers]

Originally posted by Summers
That's the ripple effect I'm talking about. Its all connected look, but things alter when there is a choice look:
Before choice chronologically, and this is indirect:
-Crusade Lana gets the tattoo
-finds some stuff about Isobel
-Lionel tells Lana Jason is in China....Sacred stuff happens
-Jason gives her the stone

Now here is where the choice comes in. Lana stages the apartment break-in, and steals it for herself. Thus begans the ripple effect:
-Lionel
-GT
-apartment

Lionel and GT were indirectly involved in this after Lana's choice. It all changes when it came to the choice in "Lucy" after that its all a ripple effect. If Lana didnt take it for herself the outcome wouldve been totally different. It all comes down to Lana. She made the choice, and here are the consequences.

Clark had the choice to actually look for the crystals, but he did not. That was his choice. Lana and Clark's choices intertwined. Both of them made bad choices.

Heehee I'm quoting myself lol.

Since there was a decision by Lana through this whole mess part of the blame goes towards her. If she did not keep the Air stone in "Lucy" to herself there would have been a different outcome. She's the variable that altered part of the outcome in Commencement.

She made a bad choice, and there are consequences. Let her have some of the blame. Bad choices gives depth to character development.

[Jay Eff]

Originally posted by Hyde
Well ... men haven't figured it out yet ...
AMEN! I have been trying to ask a girl out for 7 months now, and finally she has asked me. lol Clark is just as human as us. :D

[binkys711]

oh man! another thread trashing lana you guys have made a hobby out of this! i think it's nobody & yet everybodies fault for what happened and the meteor shower stuff! you guys need to stop blaming people for stuff nobody knew would happen!besides lana didn't kill GT isobelle did and personally if i was in trouble also i would a stabbed her to! with whatever i could find!
i don't mean to be disrespectfull and i'm not trying to insult your opinions or anything, but maybe you should try to see other sides of the game!
that's all! and goodbye!

[Summers]

Originally posted by binkys711
oh man! another thread trashing lana you guys have made a hobby out of this!

Hold on. No one is trashing Lana. Look at my post of above. She made a bad choice in "Lucy" which effect the outcome in Commencement. I dont why anyone would want to take it away her decision from Lana. It makes her less perfect, and more human in that aspect.

My goodness we all make bad mistakes. Let her have hers.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Summers
Heehee I'm quoting myself lol.

Since there was a decision by Lana through this whole mess part of the blame goes towards her. If she did not keep the Air stone in "Lucy" to herself there would have been a different outcome. She's the variable that altered part of the outcome in Commencement.

She made a bad choice, and there are consequences. Let her have some of the blame. Bad choices gives depth to character development.

What some people don't realize is that if tptb put some blame on Lana and made her feel guilty then people would like the character far better. It's the fact that she's always seen as being "perfect" that makes people dislike her so intensely. TPTB have a good chance of maybe giving deph to her character and making people like her more if they have her accept responsibility for this.

[Summers]

Originally posted by MBCorp
What some people don't realize is that if tptb put some blame on Lana and made her feel guilty then people would like the character far better. It's the fact that she's always seen as being "perfect" that makes people dislike her so intensely. TPTB have a good chance of maybe giving deph to her character and making people like her more if they have her accept responsibility for this.

Well, she wont have guilt until she knows why the 2005 meteor shower came. So I doubt that will happen unless Clark tells her that part of it.

[4EverSmallville]

Originally posted by Summers
Well, she wont have guilt until she knows why the 2005 meteor shower came. So I doubt that will happen unless Clark tells her that part of it.

IMO it's safe to say that he won't tell her why the meteor shower came. If anything Clark will assume all of the responsibilty for the meteor shower, he shoulders everything other negative thing that happens.

[binkys711]

Originally posted by Summers
Hold on. No one is trashing Lana. Look at my post of above. She made a bad choice in "Lucy" which effect the outcome in Commencement. I dont why anyone would want to take it away her decision from Lana. It makes her less perfect, and more human in that aspect.

My goodness we all make bad mistakes. Let her have hers.
I understand what you mean we all make mistakes i get it, it's just that people sometimes just want to trash her because they dislike her and they put no apparent and clear reason why, sometimes it just doesn't make sense why people trash her all the time without considering all of the facts :( :confused: and i no no one is perfect i wasn't implying that i was just a little sad that people don't consider or don't want to consider anything else besides blaming lana:(
i didn't mean to disrespect your opinion or anyone elses!i' am trully sorry if i did!:(

[M.D.]

Eh. You might as well blame the beginning of the Empire on Jar Jar Binks.

[binkys711]

jaja! lol!

[Kal-El & Me]

Originally posted by Summers
eh, yes and no. Lana did steal that stone to herself by choice. She also said she knew it was meant for Clark. Her choice is what eventully led up to this moment. Clark didnt have a choice anywhere whereas Lana did. Choices and consequences will do that.

I dont see it as a bad thing because I love when shows, books, and films emphasis it.

Actually Isobelle stole the stone then lost it then Jason gave it to Lana and she took it.

Just blame the second meteorn shower on Lang/ Thureux blood. I know that's not how you spell Thureux but oh well.

[shirkie]

Lana's been holding onto the stone for a while now-- Lana, not Isobel. She knew it was for Clark (that's why she gave it to him later on), but she hid it and kept it a secret.

Because Lana held onto the stone, Genevieve Teague had to come looking for her in order to get it for herself. When she attacked Lana, Isobel came out and killed Genevieve with the stone.

Jor-El SPECIFICALLY said it was the human blood tainting the stone that brought destruction to the town. So even though Clark bears a portion of the responsibility because he didn't get his rear in gear and find the stones, Lana's grubby little hands stubbornly hiding the stone were the root of the destruction.

Way. To. Go., Lana.
shirkie

[Lucy]

Lana didn't kill geneieve (or however you spell it) Isabelle did. She took over lana again, probaly for the last time. and i agree with you chlarklove, now clark and lana both have caused meteor showers, but neither one of them had control over it really!

[Summers]

Actually they did have control that's why their decisions affected the outcome in Commencement. They had a lot of control, but they were both too stubborn and reckless to even care about the consequences. Clark did know about what would happen if a human has the crystals in Sacred. He knew it would cause destruction of the world, and he did nothing for the rest of the season. Lana knew the stone belonged to Clark, and she still kept it. They had control, and they failed at it.

[unPTC]

Interesting the way the Lana bashers are quick to accept a possible plot hole (why would Lana possibly "somehow know" the stones were meant for Clark) and run with it to find yet another way to assign blame to her for a meteor shower...why not give her credit for escaping Lex's grip long enough to get the stone to Clark and actually help him fulfill his destiny?...this piece of the story is irrefutable, though I'm sure many on these boards will find a way to twist it...Stubborn and reckless are way down on the list of adjectives to describe either Clark or Lana...

[Summers]

Originally posted by unPTC
Interesting the way the Lana bashers are quick to accept a possible plot hole (why would Lana possibly "somehow know" the stones were meant for Clark) and run with it to find yet another way to assign blame to her for a meteor shower...why not give her credit for escaping Lex's grip long enough to get the stone to Clark and actually help him fulfill his destiny?...this piece of the story is irrefutable, though I'm sure many on these boards will find a way to twist it...Stubborn and reckless are way down on the list of adjectives to describe either Clark or Lana...

Who's bashing? No one is bashing that I know of here. There is teasing of the notion, but its the truth. Her decision in "Lucy", and Clark's decision of not acting affected the outcome in Commencement. How is that bashing when its fact :confused: . Gee, I'll say it again it gives her some depth IMO. If and when she knows about how the 2005 meteor shower came about.

[WillTheBrave]

If you are saying Clark is responsible for the second meteor shower, then i might have to protest. Yes, Clark knew that he could not let all the stones fall into human hands, all of them. He never did. There was no warning for him (apart from the prophetic dream in the beginning of the episode) that there was imminent danger if he did not have all of the stones. Maybe he should have been a little more proactive in finding them, but he had no leads on where the other two stones were. The stone from transference was lost in the jail brawl, and picked up by the rainman, never to found by anybody but Ms. Crosby. The stone from China disappeared when Clark and Isobel fought. Unbeknownst to Clark, Jason lifted it and gave it to Lana.
Clark had no idea and no means to get an idea of what happened to these stones.

Now how in the world can you say it was Lana who caused the second one? She was possesed by Isobel when she used the stone to kill GT. She was not 100% sure that the stones were meant for Clark. If you had an ancient arifact that was wooven into your life and maybe even your friends lives, you wouldn't exactly start playing hot potatoe with it. This final piece of calamity just bolstered her inclination that they belonged to Clark.
They both could have done things to stop the meteor shower, but you can't lay the full blame on them.



Originally posted by wendymeze
I'm not entirely sure that it was a good thing for Chlarkers. Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a scenario where the writers have Clark and Lana 'bond' over the fact that they both were the cause of a meteor shower.

"Clark... I caused the meteor shower... it was all my fault! I squished the parents of little girls!"

"Lana, it's okay. I've squished the parents of little girls, too! If there's one thing I've learned, it's that... sometimes parents get squished."

"Oh, Clark... I've never loved you more!"

*Lifehouse plays*



Even as a die hard Clana fan, this is very amusing.

[Timester]

Originally posted by WillTheBrave
Wait just one second Summers, are you saying that Clark is responsible for the first meteor shower? If you are then you might be considered one of the dumbest people of all time.

Trying to be banned? What was the insult for?

[Summers]

Originally posted by WillTheBrave
Wait just one second Summers, are you saying that Clark is responsible for the first meteor shower? If you are then you might be considered one of the dumbest people of all time.


Ouch, that was uncalled for. I never said first meteor shower. I specifically said the 2005 meteor shower which the second. Maybe you should read my posts instead making pot shots because that is awfully rude.

Clark knew it the crystals would cause destruction to his world, and he did nothing. Jor-El told him this in Sacred.

Lana said she knew the crystal belonged to Clark, and still kept her after her choice to hide it from Jason. Its both of their fault. No one else because their actions caused the second meteor shower.

I'm not bashing Clark or Lana because I think its interesting because it emphasizes choices and consequences. Its terrific IMO. It gives depth to character development, and choices make us what we are. Our choices show us who we really are, grow as people, and more experienced. Its necessary.

[WillTheBrave]

My apologies if I came off as harsh. I didn't mean it as a direct insult. It was uncalled for, and once again I am sorry. When I rant I get carried away. Your points are valid, and it does make for a good show. I just don't think that we can put the whole blame on them. They don't have the advantage that we have of being omniscient. It just feels wrong saying that this horrible disaster their solely their fault. Once again sorry.

[Knoxy]

The meteor shower wasn't anyone's fault. Nobody intentionally started the meteor shower therefore nobody is to blame. It was an unfortunate incident that resulted from all of the characters actions/decisions in some way or another throughout the season. Starting with Martha's actions in crusade because there is no doubt that Kal-El would have collected all three stones without a problem. From there it was a ripple effect resulting in the meteor shower in Commencement.

[Summers]

Its okay. Its no biggie ;).

Well, distasters such as these there is no blame. Like in the first meteor shower, but in the second one IMO Lana and Clark share equal blame in it because they were the variables that could have altered the choice. Just my opinion.

[NeXtToLaStKrYpToNiAn]

Actually the fault in the premiere would lie with Bridgette Crosby. She gave Martha the black K, and told her what to do. She is the one that intentionally sabatoged Clark fullfilling his destiny. I think that she felt the same way the doctor in season 2 felt, that Clark was going to conquer the world and that he needed to be stopped, only she knew that Clark Kent wouldn't stay away from his destiny, so all she had to do was stop Kal-El. I think she was dirty from the start.

[M.D.]

I hold to the belief that it is impossible to hold someone to blame, even partially, for unintended, irrational, unforseeable consequences. That is why somethings are called accidents. They may be partially at fault causally, but not morally. With your rationalization, Clark should be blamed for Jonathan Kent's heart problems.

Lana cannot be held morally responsible for this, because she had know way to know how that stone was related to Clark. The only way she could be morally culpible for the meteor shower is if Clark had told her, or she had found out, that he needed the stones, because in human hands they would bring distruction. All she knew she that she was playing a dangerous game with her own life at risk. She had know way to know the entire Earth was in danger.

[shirkie]

Clark SHOULD be blamed for Jonathan's heart problems! If he hadn't intentionally put on the damn Red!K ring like a spoiled little boy, Jonathan wouldn't have had to make the deal with Jor-El.

I still maintain Lana screwed up big time with the stone. Lana, when you know your possessed ancestor is like in love with the stone you're carrying, why the hell would you hold onto it for so long? Ayyyyyyyy.
shirkie

[VersesBatman]

That's Lana for you...

Clana=Dumb and Dumber

[M.D.]

Ok bad example, it was on the top of my head because Jonathan Kent made it quite clear that Clark is not morally culpable for his heart problems, as it was his decision to make. (plus, why couldnt JK and Martha have just taken some kryptonite to subdue Clark, and remove the red K?)

Maybe a better example is: Can we hold Alicia morally responsible for anything that Lex does to Chloe to find out what she knows?

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Yeah Clark could be considered INdirectly responsible for Jonathan's heart problems, but Jonathan knew what he was getting into when he agreed to the deal with Jor-El as well.

Lana really isn't responsible, she could be considered INdirectly responsible though

[MBCorp]

I think people just enjoy the thought of Lana being responsible for a natural disaster and all sorts of death and destruction.

[M.D.]

Look at it this way. Say you are driving.. a cat runs out of nowhere, you swerve to avoid it. You hit someone. You are causually responsible, but not morally culpable. It is an accident. Nowhere did Lana decide to risk the fate of the universe. It was a unfortunate accident she got placed into the mess she was. If anyone if Morally to blame for the meteor shower, it is Genivieve Teague herself. If GT had never forced Lana to be possessed by Isobelle (in Paris, and while trying to kill Lana), none of this would have happened.

[MBCorp]

I wonder why GT forced Lana to be posessed by a witch whom she knew was hellbent on killing her?

[M.D.]

Because the writers enjoy plot contrivances?

[binkys711]

well the writers do like "plot contrivances", but maybe GT thought that if she brought isobelle back because it would lead her to the stones than GT would kill isobelle and take the stones!

just a thought though!

[WillTheBrave]

Originally posted by M.D.
Look at it this way. Say you are driving.. a cat runs out of nowhere, you swerve to avoid it. You hit someone. You are causually responsible, but not morally culpable. It is an accident. Nowhere did Lana decide to risk the fate of the universe. It was a unfortunate accident she got placed into the mess she was. If anyone if Morally to blame for the meteor shower, it is Genivieve Teague herself. If GT had never forced Lana to be possessed by Isobelle (in Paris, and while trying to kill Lana), none of this would have happened.


At the risk of sounding picky, i will have to disagree. When you made the decison to swerve around the cat, you did so knowing that you ight endanger someone else. In this case the worst possible happened. The opposite happened in SMallville, Lana did not know that she was putting anybody in danger. Hence, she was not at fault for the meteor shower.

Odd that we both take the same but I still find something to argue about.

[blue7]

Actually, if you think about it -- its Clark's fault.

Since Clark kept putting off finding the stone's these things happen.

[WillTheBrave]

did you ever say what your avatar is Blue7?

[blue7]

Its from a band, which I can't remember.

[KryptoniteJem]

Who's bashing? No one is bashing that I know of here.

Not trying to be rude or anything, but you need to read all the posts just a lil more carefully again. Lana bashers are everywhere here, and I guess that's just the way it is. Which is fine by me, since it brings out the debater in me. ;) :D



Lana was not responisble for the meteor shower. ISOBEL was. Lana was keeping the stone for PROTECTION. Why do you think she hid it form Jason? She felt she couldn't trust him! That something would happen to the stone, and obviously these stones are valuable because Lana realized so many people were after it. She felt that by keeping the stone hidden she was protecting it from wrong doers.
When Genevieve attacked Lana she DID try to escape, but Genevieve dragged her back and forced Lana to fight. So it was mostly Genevieve's fault since she knew that Isobel was possessing Lana and she knew that Isobel wanted revenge for being burned at the stake, but she took the risk of getting killed anyways. And when Isobel takes control of Lana, you should know that Lana has NO control of Isobel whatsoever, so how CAN you possibly say the meteor shower was Lana's fault? Lana didn't even know (Or isobel for that matter) that a meteor shower would happen if blood stained it.
I say technically it's no one's fault. I'm sure if Clark or Lana knew the danger of having blood on the stone meant, they would've taken extra precautions, but they didn't. It was an accident.
Say there was a three-year-old child who was playing with matches but didn't know the danger of it. If it burned down the house, would you blame the kid? It would most probably be written off as an accident, since the kid didn't know any better. That's just like the case here.


I still maintain Lana screwed up big time with the stone. Lana, when you know your possessed ancestor is like in love with the stone you're carrying, why the hell would you hold onto it for so long? Ayyyyyyyy.

Who else would she have given it to? She couldn't trust no one! Lex, Jason everyone was after the stone and she didn't know who to trust until the very end! Put yourself in her shoes, you have no one to trust. You would keep it safe until you know your next move! Sometimes, I think you guys are way too judgmental on Lana. What would you have done if you KNEW you couldn't trust no one and you couldnn't trust Clark before just because he's so secretive? You would - gasp - hang onto it for awhile.

KJ

[4EverSmallville]

IMO Clark is more to blame than Lana is. If he'd stop running away from his destiny and at least tried to find the stones, none of this would have happened. If he'd even kept his eyes open he'd have realized that Lex, Lana, or Jason had the stone. It wouldn't have just disappeared from China, it was obvious that someone found it.

I can see why to some extent this is Lana's fault; but IMHO she did nothing wrong until she hid the stone. I don't blame her at al for hiding it because there was no one in her life she felt she could trust at the time. But once she hid that stone everything turned upside down. Jason accused Lionel who accused Lex who then suspected Jason who suspected Clark who wasn't doing anything anyway. Since Jason was trying to play Mr. Double-Agent, the whole thing escalated. Basically, Lana hiding the stone was like the igniting of a powder keg that just blows everything up.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KryptoniteJem
Not trying to be rude or anything, but you need to read all the posts just a lil more carefully again. Lana bashers are everywhere here, and I guess that's just the way it is. Which is fine by me, since it brings out the debater in me. ;) :D


Gee, not to be rude but that kinda sounded a little paranoid. I did read this thread. I didnt mean on the board. I meant in this particular thread. Bashing is more "Oh, Lana is just plain stupid", and no logical evidence to support it. There was teasing of the notion, but there was no outright bashing. Majority of people in this thread who believe it is Lana's fault or at least a faulty variable has backed-up their statement logically.

Once Lana made her choice part of the blame went towards her. I will stand on my opinion that Clark and Lana are to blame for the second meteor shower. The question remains will either them have guilt from it for more than an episode?

[4EverSmallville]

Originally posted by Summers
The question remains will either them have guilt from it for more than an episode?

IMO Clark will, Lana may not. Clark tends to hold on to things like that, i.e. JK's heart condition. Esp. if something really catastrophic happens, meaning someone dies as a result, he'll definitely hold on to the blame.

He even blames himself for the first meteor shower; Clark's more at fault in this one than he was in the first one, so if he feels responsible for that still, he'll definitely feel responsible for the second shower.

[Knoxy]

Originally posted by 4EverSmallville
IMO Clark will, Lana may not. Clark tends to hold on to things like that, i.e. JK's heart condition. Esp. if something really catastrophic happens, meaning someone dies as a result, he'll definitely hold on to the blame.

He even blames himself for the first meteor shower; Clark's more at fault in this one than he was in the first one, so if he feels responsible for that still, he'll definitely feel responsible for the second shower.
I completely agree. I think the guilt he feels from this will push him to focus on his destiny which will bring him closer to becoming to Superman. It is needed to develop the story.

[4EverSmallville]

I can definitely see Clark being more willing to pursue his destiny after this. He'll probably remember the last time he ignored Jor-el there was a massive meteor shower.

Also, Lana has to know about Clark's conversation w/ Jor-el about the blood staining the stone to even think this was her fault in the first place. But then again, she felt guilty she'd survived the first meteor shower when her parents didn't so I don't know.

[Knoxy]

That's true. In order to feel guilty she will have to know the true story behind the stones and I don't think she'll find out any time soon. If she is going to feel guilty for anything it will be for killing GT eventhough it was in self-defense.

[angel_kris]

Originally posted by Summers
Lana knew the stone belonged to Clark, and she still kept it.
Summers, my guess is that she only "knew" that the stone was meant for Clark after Isobel left her body. My theory is that Isobel left some memories behind - but as I said it is only my humble little theory ;)

[batfinx]

What would you have done if you KNEW you couldn't trust no one and you couldnn't trust Clark before just because he's so secretive? You would - gasp - hang onto it for awhile.

It's none of Lana's business why Clark keeps a secret she presumes he has. And for the record, he was still keeping that secret when she decided to 'trust' him anyway with the stone. And Lana didn't hide the stone from Jason because she couldn't trust him, he's the one who gave it to her in the first place. She hid it from him to play the girlfriend game of "what do you love more, this or me?" Gah, it could have been a ticket to the Star Wars premiere for all she cared :lol:

[shirkie]

Lana KNEW her ancestor-- a powerful witch POSSESSING HER-- was seeking the stone, was capable of magick, and was willing to kill other people. Why the HELL would she hang onto the stone if she knew her ancestor wanted it? Wouldn't the intelligent thing to do be get it as far away from her as possible!?

I think the irony that Lana is partly to blame for Smallville's second meteor shower is delicious. I bet a lot of people have squished parents now because of her. We're going to hear a loud, wailing chorus of "YOOOOOOU ABAAAANDONED MEEEEEEEEEE!" sometime in Season 5's premiere, I'm sure...
shirkie

[4EverSmallville]

IMO Lana hid the stone because she couldn't trust Jason; the fact that he went convenient-store-robber on Lionel just solidifies that. She was still upset that he'd shipped off to China without her, so hiding the stone was her reaction because she didn't think she could trust him. If it truly was that Lana just wanted to know what Jason loved more, her or the stones, she would have been upfront about it rather than hiding it and hoping he'd forget about it.

Lana doesn't 'presume' Clark has a secret, she knows. That much is obvious from her lines in the past, "...he's so secretive."~Red. "I don't care if you have secrets, Clark."~Visage "...you have so many secrets in your life."~Calling.

Lana kept the stone because she didn't know who else to turn to. When she finally did give it to Clark, IMO she'd realized that in light of recent events, she was no longer capable of keeping the stone safe. Also, if Lana believes the stones really are meant for Clark, she would have had to come to that decision some time ago, so driven by the fact that she couldn't keep it, and she thought they were meant for Clark, she gave it to him.

Clark secrets are irrelevant in this matter, she only brought that up so he didn't ask about the blood on it.


Originally posted by shirkie
Lana KNEW her ancestor-- a powerful witch POSSESSING HER-- was seeking the stone, was capable of magick, and was willing to kill other people. Why the HELL would she hang onto the stone if she knew her ancestor wanted it? Wouldn't the intelligent thing to do be get it as far away from her as possible!?


What would she have done with it? Give it to Lex...back to Jason...GT...? At the time when she received the stone from Jason, Lana felt that 'the only was she could put all this behind her was if she found all three of those stones'.