Star Trek:Nemesis

[Shinzon2004]

This thread is to discuss the final movie of TNG:Nemesis.

Although the movie was realesed some time ago,and it was realesed in a very wrong time,I did like the film.

The premise of Picard finding a clone,was interesting.
Some of you might compare this movie with Star Trek II:The Wrath of Khan because they share certain similitudes.

The sacriface of Data and Mr Spock at the end of the movie.
A formidable enemy,Khan and Shinzon.A terrible weapon,the Genesis Device and the Thalaron Matrix.However this movie marked the final voyage for the Enterprise E crew.

Why was this done?The Next Generation Cast had more adventures to come...Riker was finaly promoted to captain of his own ship,the USS Titan.Picard might been promoted to Admiral,
who knows?I loved this movie,and I was sad to see Data go.

I dont believe that the movie falied because of its premise,
it had a lot of potential.Rick Berman is to blame because he realesed a good film at the wrong time,it was December of 2002...

So,what are your general opinions of Star Trek:Nemesis?

[Shinzon2004]

I think that B4 will be another different character.B4 might look like Data,but he will have different experiences.Maybe he will attend Starfleet Academy before even joining Starfleet.

B4 seemed to be a clear signal that he will become in time the next new science officer,and that Picard might be promoted to Admiral.I was also sad to see Data go....and still TNG cast still had more to do rather than ending the TNG movie series.

I have high hopes to see yet another movie with TNG crew.iIf not,
a Star Trek:DS9 or even a Enterprise movie.....no fair that there will be no more TNG movies...

[Backward Galaxy]

There's a reason that Nemesis grossed the lowest box office total of any Trek film even WITHOUT adjusting for inflation.

[axisoftime]

I never saw it-but the reviews I read mostly were very negative.Some said it was the worst of the trek films.Having thought 'Insurrection' the worst(I only watched about half)thats saying alot.B4 is a total ripoff-what about Lore?Did they even mention him?If they ever make another TNG film-having Q in it would be a major step in the right direction.I dont think there will be another TNG film-unless its on tv.Id also say theres an even less chance of a DS9 film-and even less of an Enterprise 1.I think Star Treks only hope of a new start is a movie with all the captains-with Q-and a few others like Data or a new tv show set after Voyager..

[Shinzon2004]

If not more Star Trek TNG movies,then its time for Voyager and DS9....or what,does TV shows wont have movies??

I always wanted to see a Star Trek:Starfleet Academy movie or TV series based upon TOS characters mainly Kirk and Spock,using new actors of course.I woild love to see that!

[Backward Galaxy]

Lore ran off with the Borg back in the last season of TNG. They've probably assimilated him by now.


Actually, he was deactivated and disassembled. He's probably in some big giant Starfleet warehouse ala 24th Century Raiders.


If not more Star Trek TNG movies,then its time for Voyager and DS9....or what,does TV shows wont have movies??

No "ifs" about it, TNG is done. There also won't be a DS9, VOY, or ENT film. Right now, the idea floating around is a prequel film, but they are waiting for a script before they even try pitching anything to Paramount.

[Shinzon2004]

If they want a prequel film,I read rumors about the
Romulan Wars being planned....not confirmation on that,but it sounds like a prequel to me....

Also,if it is,an entirely new cast would be chosen.....

I dont know what kind of prequel story they can write,if not the Romulan Wars,what else?

I want Starfleet Academy.....

[RedPhoenix23]

At least some of the blame for Star Trek: Nemesis not faring well in theatre's can be put on Star Trek: Insurrection. Not that it wasn't good- it just didn't exactly have a "movie" feel to it-it was just blah. and felt like a long missed television episode.

[Shinzon2004]

I dont know why they wanted to do Star Trek:Enterprise,it was a fine show,I was really began to be drawn by it....Scott Bakula did a good job as Captain Archer,just as he did a good job as Dr
Sam Beckett.....However if they want a new Star Trek,they should wait at least until Enterprise is cancelled.....

[RedPhoenix23]

I've had enough of Enterprise-any other Star Trek would be greatly appreciated! Like DS9 or Starfleet Academy sounds interesting.

[Shinzon2004]

Well....I ve been waiting years for a Star Trek:Deep Space Nine movie,ever since the show died back in 1999,or a movie
based upon Star Trek:Voyager.There are still possibilities,
hey how about doing a croosover movie with these series?

They could even add some Next Generation characters as well without turning the movie into another Next Generation movie.
I was thinking that probably if it were a DS9 movie,we could have
the USS Titan stationed in DS9 because Captain Riker and
his wife might be visiting the station....

Also,if it were a Voyager movie,they could even make a croosover between TOS,specifically,the starships Excelsior or the
Enterprise B.Remember,we saw the launch of the USS Enterprise B in Star Trek:Generations,but we never saw its fate or how many missions the ship had.Captain Jhon Harriman was an interesting character,and we never knew what happened to him after Generations.So they could do a croosover story.

Regarding Nemesis,it was an ok story,and just for nthe record,it was the last Star Trek movie scored by veteran composer Jerry Goldsmith who died last year.

I thought that the sequence of the Enterprise colliding with Shinzon s ship was amazing and so the space battles!
Hey even the viewscreen was blown to pieces!

[zanos]

Originally posted by Shinzon2004
This thread is to discuss the final movie of TNG:Nemesis.

Although the movie was realesed some time ago,and it was realesed in a very wrong time,I did like the film.

The premise of Picard finding a clone,was interesting.
Some of you might compare this movie with Star Trek II:The Wrath of Khan because they share certain similitudes.

The sacriface of Data and Mr Spock at the end of the movie.
A formidable enemy,Khan and Shinzon.A terrible weapon,the Genesis Device and the Thalaron Matrix.However this movie marked the final voyage for the Enterprise E crew.

Why was this done?The Next Generation Cast had more adventures to come...Riker was finaly promoted to captain of his own ship,the USS Titan.Picard might been promoted to Admiral,
who knows?I loved this movie,and I was sad to see Data go.

I dont believe that the movie falied because of its premise,
it had a lot of potential.Rick Berman is to blame because he realesed a good film at the wrong time,it was December of 2002...

So,what are your general opinions of Star Trek:Nemesis?

I think in terms of being just a pure action film it's probably the best trek but the story didn't do a thing for me. The problem is TNG as a tv show was always more thought provoking than most shows and that made it unpredictable alot of times. The first film wasn't too bad in this regard but after that the sequels got real predictable and seemed rushed without much of a story behind them. On top of everything else they even made a new enterprise for absolutely no reason. What genius thought that up?

[Shinzon2004]

I remember that....those Klingon sisters destroyed the Enterprise but they were killed first....

I liked Generations,it was an average TNG movie,but I didnt liked the fact that Captain Kirk had to die...

There was a book written by William Shatner a couple of years ago,titled Star Trek:The Return.....

Also I think that Nemesis had a somewhat dark style.....

[ctjj.stevenson]

I was sad when Lieutenant Commander Data died. He was my favourite Star Trek character.

I guess that there will never be anymore Star Trek movies now. Seeing the Enterprise is being cancelled, I don't think that Paramount will introduce a new Star Trek series.

[Shinzon2004]

Uh.....I never thought of that you know.Hey I remember that even in "The Best of Both Worlds" episode,after Picard is snatched by the Borg,Riker is promoted to Captain and then
he decided to name a new first officer....he mentoned Data,but he said something like "This is not the time to change" so Data stayed the same anyway.

Maybe Data needed to do more before having a promotion?
I am not sure....but yes,it is an interesting observation.
Even Wesley Crusher got promoted to Ensign.....

However he never made it to the Movie Series though!
He was written as a Next Gen charachter but written off at the end of the series.Weird.....

I understand that he was going to make a cameo in Nemesis....

[axisoftime]

Data was a captain-for 1 ep anyway-the 1 where Yars daughter was leading the romulan invasion and Data was captain of the ship that stopped them.And what could Data be promoted to anyway?They had a first officer-he was 3rd in command.

[zanos]

Originally posted by Alice Perrin
Ever notice that Data was the only officer that was never mentioned for promotion? Riker became a commander in the first episode, Troy became a commander when she took the bridge officer's test, Beverly took the test too, Worf got promoted in Generations, and Geordi when he became the chief engineer. Even O'Brien got promoted. What would you call that? Racism?

Wow, you must be a genius. I was referring to the fact that they built an entirely different ship rather than resurrecting the old Enterprise D.

[RedPhoenix23]

Racism or Antimachineism?

[Shinzon2004]

Originally posted by zanos
Wow, you must be a genius. I was referring to the fact that they built an entirely different ship rather than resurrecting the old Enterprise D.

Actually,the Enterprise D was damaged beyond repair,as it is stated in the Captain s log.I also wanted to see the Enterprise D rebuilt or refitted.In the original series,the Enterprise,under Captain Kirk s command was refitted twice before being destroyed in Star Trek III.That is why,in the following movie
Star Trek:First Contact we saw a new starship,the
USS Enterprise NCC 1701 E,and it seemed that the ship had been launched some time ago.Notice the differences between the Enterprise D and E,the Enterprise D had families and children while the new ships didnt.

And even that the Enterprise D was refitted,it seems for
Star Trek:Generations,the crew used DS9 uniforms....

I didnt liked to see the Enterprise D gone,I really liked that ship.

However it seems now that the Enterprise E also had a very short existence as it would seem that there will be no more Star Trek:TNG films!

[RedPhoenix23]

Is it just me or do that break that ship every movie now? Picards bound to get into trouble!

[Shinzon2004]

Actually you are right.Admiral Kirk destroyed the Enterprise because he had no choice,the Enterprise B was damaged but not destroyed.And yes,the Enterprise E was about to be destroyed in
Nemesis.

Ahhhh I love the Star Trek movies,too bad that we wont see any more with TNG it seems....


They should do a Star Trek/Star Wars croosover movie!

[Shinzon2004]

Yeah I remember poor Livingston...Riker wanted it for dinner!
(Ok,the pre human Riker in the episode "Genesis")...

And yes the Enterprise D was totally destroyed...
Picard was a fool,you know.Having the power power of the Nexus,he could have choosen to go back in time to any time period he desired.The Enterprise s destruction could had been avoided if Picard returned to a time even before Soran launched the rocket to the sun.He could had saved Captain Kirk s life nut he didnt.

You know I would love to see Captain Kirk returning in a new movie....maybe they could do a movie based upon Shatner s novel Star Trek:The Return?

Sorry about those spelling mistakes,guys....

[Plays With Squirrels]

Picard didn't know that the Enterprise was destroyed until after he had beaten Dr. Soran. When Geordi got kidnapped by Lursor and Bee'thor, no one had a clue that there was the imaging device in his cerebral cortex.

Picard left the Enterprise in exchance for Geordi's life, so he had no way to know it got blown up, especially since it had to be on the other side of the planet.

Soran and Picard were in a desert area and the Enterprise went down in a woodland area. Picard would have had to go back to a point before he left the Enterprise. Then he couldn't have beaten Soren.

[dsv100]

Originally posted by Shinzon2004

And even that the Enterprise D was refitted,it seems for
Star Trek:Generations,the crew used DS9 uniforms.... Did you know that they did design some new uniforms for the crew to wear -- they sorta looked like Next Gen uniforms crossed with Movie II-VI uniforms? But those designs were rejected shortly before filming began, forcing the costume department to fall back on DS9 designs.

Playmates Toys, the maker of ST Generations action figures, did make toys based on the planned uniforms (http://www.thelogbook.com/toy/trek-gen/), and I think that's the only way to see what they would have looked like.

[DARKRAGE]

hi am new 2 the board i feel that star trek has run its coure amd its coming to the end i.e enterprise, i think they have run out of ideas

[Shinzon2004]

Hi,DarkRage,welcome to the board,I hope that you have a great time here. I dont think that Star Trek is wornt out,its just that its owned by the wrong people.Rick Berman killed the series,and that is why Star Trek is going down.

The failure of Star Trek Nemesis and Enterprise is an example
that Rick Berman killed the series and must leave!