Angel

[BuZzArD 8012]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY VINCENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D. You have played my favorite Character and were the best at it :D.

Nice pics Summers :).

[clarkoholic]

26!? Wow! He's another Tom Welling!

Happy Birthday Vincent!!! :D

[clarkoholic]

Oh goodness what's happened to this thread!?! Abandoned. NO!

:lol: Anyway, I just watched Angel on TNT and wanted to comment on something. It was the episode where Angel finds Darla and takes her to this place with a bunch of pillars.

Anyway, she's telling him how her old boy is in there some where and all that jazz. He grabs her neck and then she puts a cross to his chest. She says something like, "Boy...God doesn't want you. ... But I still do."

Whew! That was a killer line. It just made so much more sense to me seeing it again. Angel wants forgiveness and all that but her holding the cross to him and it's burning...then saying that. Talk about b!tchy! :lol:

Okay...just wanted to say that. :D

[BuZzArD 8012]

I loved that episode :D. It was pretty weird seeing Darla human, but that line was awesome :D.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by clarkoholic
Anyway, she's telling him how her old boy is in there some where and all that jazz. He grabs her neck and then she puts a cross to his chest. She says something like, "Boy...God doesn't want you. ... But I still do."

Whew! That was a killer line. It just made so much more sense to me seeing it again. Angel wants forgiveness and all that but her holding the cross to him and it's burning...then saying that. Talk about b!tchy! :lol:

That's called great writing right there. When one line can sum an entire concept up so perfectly. I mean, right there is what Angel is all about. Like you said, he wants forgiveness for all he did. But he doesn't think he'll get it or deserve it, ever.

ANGEL is full of great lines.

As for this thread being abandoned, a lot of ANGEL talk actually ends up in the BtVS thread.

[clarkoholic]

Yeah I should probably head over to the BtVS thread but it gets hard managing so many! :lol:

[richboy_lex]

This is the first thread I've made thats even lasted this long, I'm so proud of what I started... thx to the great writing by Joss Whedon and the acting skills of the ANGEL actors of course.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by clarkoholic
Yeah I should probably head over to the BtVS thread but it gets hard managing so many! :lol:

Yea, there is :D. But most of the info is over there :D.


Originally posted by richboy_lex
This is the first thread I've made thats even lasted this long, I'm so proud of what I started... thx to the great writing by Joss Whedon and the acting skills of the ANGEL actors of course.

Im proud of you Richboy, hehe :D.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by clarkoholic
Anyway, she's telling him how her old boy is in there some where and all that jazz. He grabs her neck and then she puts a cross to his chest. She says something like, "Boy...God doesn't want you. ... But I still do."

Whew! That was a killer line. It just made so much more sense to me seeing it again. Angel wants forgiveness and all that but her holding the cross to him and it's burning...then saying that. Talk about b!tchy! :lol:

Okay...just wanted to say that. :D

I love that link, she really goes for it, below the belt, dirty figther. But then again I already knew she was like that:D

What's up with her being parengt???, She huge, like 9 months along. Is that Conner, but if it is, how is he a teenager in less then few years, but then again it is a show about music:p


Originally posted by richboy_lex
This is the first thread I've made thats even lasted this long, I'm so proud of what I started... thx to the great writing by Joss Whedon and the acting skills of the ANGEL actors of course.

I happy you started this thread too!!!Not only that it's lasted so long but is so long. I know that kind of goes hand in hand but I still think it's great!

If I had time after Angel I'd be driving everybody nuts talking about what happen in the epsidoe saw.:p

[richboy_lex]

I'm just glad you guys appreciate it so much, all for the fans lol.

FAN PRIDE!!!!

[clarkoholic]

Originally posted by angelfire east

What's up with her being parengt???, She huge, like 9 months along. Is that Conner, but if it is, how is he a teenager in less then few years
Keep watching....All will be answered. :D I think it's pretty neat actually.

[richboy_lex]

Yeah I didnt get that either till I kept watching then I was like "OHHHH"

[Dark.Krypton]

were they ever planning to get angel and buffy back together??

[Summers]

No, of course not. Well, they toyed with idea but both character grew so much without each. They purposely kept that triangle open from both series. They wanted to emphasize their development separately, but still kept it special. Plus it left something for the viewer to imagine.

[angelfire east]

I just have to say I love Skip the demon in I think it was Hell in tonights episode. His and Angel's small talk was great, he really was a nice guy. I liked him.:D

[richboy_lex]

I thought Skip was so tight and extremely funny except for when he went all crazy and Angel had to kill him. That was funny as hell during that scene, they were like "I'm Skip" "...Angel". I loved that!

[angelfire east]

He ends up being killed too bad. When I first saw Skip I was thinking oh no just another moster, but he turned out to be so nice. I loved the scene where Angel was holding him in the fire but wouldn't out right kill him, he pulled him out and asked if he's alright them knocks him out.

[Dannyblue1]

Demon: (Offers his hand) "I'm Skip."

Angel takes the offered hand and they shake.

Angel: "Angel." (Angel looks around.) "So, ah, you live in here, Skip?"

Skip: "No. I commute. It's not too bad - about twenty minutes."


One of the best exchanges ever! Cracks me up every time.

[clarkoholic]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[BuZzArD 8012]

:lol::rotfl::lol:

That was funny scene :D.

[Summers]

Skip's the best. Isnt this the episode where he comments on "The Matrix"...oops, nope that was Cordy episode in season 3.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Skip was commenting on "The Matrix"?

[Dannyblue1]

Cordy: "You've seen the Matrix?"

Skip: "Oh, I love that flick! When Trinity is all 'dodge this!' and the agent just crumples to the (Cordy sighs) and I'm not really instilling any *awe* anymore, am I?"


:lol:

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh now I remember lol :lol:.

Skip was to funny, to bad he went evil. Or not really evil but helping to bring Jasmine to earth.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Cordy: "You've seen the Matrix?"

Skip: "Oh, I love that flick! When Trinity is all 'dodge this!' and the agent just crumples to the (Cordy sighs) and I'm not really instilling any *awe* anymore, am I?"


:lol:

That's it!!! :D

He also hated the movie Gladitor(sp?) lol.

[Hero of Tomorrow]

Angel was simply amazing. Season 2 was one of the best arcs of any story I have ever seen or watched, and it was absolutely great. I love it.

Though I think if I had to choose one favorite episode, it would be Smile Time. Some people hate it, but I mean, come on, it's Angel as a PUPPET. Genius. :)

I really was sad to see the show end though. Thankfully (and I'm not sure if this was mentioned since there are a whopping 95 pages to this thread and it would take forever to read through all of them), Angel is actually being CONTINUED in a comic book starting relatively soon (I don't have an exact date, sorry!). It will take place after Season 5 and answer some of those unsolved mysteries (Did Gunn die...?).

Anyway, glad to see there are plenty of Buffy/Angel fans around. :)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Glad you came :D.

Angel, was a very good show :). I loved Season 2, it was great seeing Darla back. But I my favorite season was Season 4 of Angel.

Smile Time, was one of my favorite episodes. It was so cool seeing Angel vamp out as a puppet :lol:.

Yup, most of the people is this thread know about the comics :D. I can't wait until they come out :D. Yes, I believe Gunn did die, Illyria said he would die in about 10 mins tops.

[Hero of Tomorrow]

Yeah, but characters and death in Angel sometimes have that "Oh look I'm back" effect. :P

That was one thing that made me upset though, was Wesley's death in Season 5. I mean, the guy has had his THROAT SLIT before, bleeding to death in a park for hours and he miraculously lives, yet he gets killed by such minor things at the end of season 5?

Baaah! :(

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yea, that was a sad moment to see Wes die like that :(. I was really suprise they killed wesley and not Gunn, for some reason. Maybe because Wes had a better purpose to live then Gunn did. Even though I like Gunn :D.

[Dannyblue1]

In the Jossverse, they wanted to show that, sometimes, people die, and when you least expect it. That even the good guys sometimes don't make it.

Take Tara. After years of fighting demons and hellgods, she dies from a stray bullet that wasn't even meant for her.

And Joyce. Living on the Hellmouth for 5 years, and what killed her. A normal, human illness that the doctors just couldn't fix.

I myself loves season 4 of ANGEL. It was masterful, in my humble opinion. The way the plot just flowed from one ep to the next.

And this is why I've come to love season 5. The beginning was weak, in my opinion. Boring, blah. Still written well, but not very exciting, except for a good episode here and there. But rather than let things keep plodding along like that, it was like someone in the writing room jumped up and said, "Okay, people, that's enough! We're better than this! So, let's prove it." And, about halfway through the season, they started turning things back around, and most of the eps in the last half of the season were back on track. Not to mention the eps leading to the wonderful finale.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I thought Season 4 was the best season because it was a Dark season for everyone. People being potrayed by each other, which made it so good of a Season. Plus the action in that Season, was awesome :D.

Same here, with Season 5. I was getting pretty worried at the beginning of Season 5. It seem to be just to boring and all talk but no action. Towards the middle of the season like you said Danny. It started to get back together, with the whole action and everything that wasn't happening at the beginning of Season 5.

[Summers]

I agree Danielle.

My all time favorite is still season 2. I love one, three, and five but season 2 I just adore. Season five is a runner up I loved how it began because they were setting things up, and again showed that Angel isnt about the action but about the characters. Shows shouldnt be hindered on action alone

[BuZzArD 8012]

Hehe, I know that Summers :D. You remember you and snake were telling me that :D. But I was just saying, there wasn't really alot of action at the beginning of Season 5 :D.

[Summers]

Oh, I wasnt directed at you :lol:. It was more towards myself, and at Smallville lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh ok :lol:.

*Hides in the corner*

[Summers]

Its alright. Its my fault I shouldve put a disclaimer "I'm not talking about you John" lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol :lol:.

Sorry about that :D.

[Summers]

nah, it was my fault ;).

[BuZzArD 8012]

Hehe :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I have a question, when the gang put Cordy's blood into Connor in "Magic's bullet". Connor seem to be sad, like the rest of gang when they first had the blood in them. But all of the sudden Connor goes and tells everyone there here. But what I don't understand is, why did Connor say they were there. I mean he was looking pretty sad, and plus doesn't the blood effect anyone who is being affected by Jasmine?

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
why did Connor say they were there. I mean he was looking pretty sad, and plus doesn't the blood effect anyone who is being affected by Jasmine?

He did effect him, but he wasnt sad. He still loved Jasmine because in his eyes she was his daugther. He wanted to protect her, and not admit that she is evil. I dont know if that is right, but that's what I got out of it.

[Dannyblue1]

Actually, Connor was never under Jasmine's spell. He always saw her true face, always had free will.

But everyone under Jasmine's spell was so happy, so carefree, and he (after a lifetime of fighting and unhappiness) wanted that too. Plus, it allowed him to get along with Angel better than he ever could've dreamed. So he went along. And, even without the spell, he believed in what Jasmine was trying to do.

As he said in his really great monologue to comatosed Cordy (which you should't read if you haven't seen it, because VK acts the heck out of it, and it's better to see him do it first):


"I want to stop. Stop fighting. I just want to rest. God, I want to rest. But I can't. (looks at Cordelia with tears in his eyes) It's not working, Cordy. I tried. I tried to believe. I wanted it. Went along with the... the flow. Jasmine, she's...she's bringing peace to everyone, purging all of their hate and anger. But not me. (chuckles, then angrily) Not me! I know she's a lie. Jasmine. My whole life's been built on them. I just... I guess I thought this one was better than the others."

[Summers]

That's right. I totally forgot about that due to the fact I wanted to repress the Jasmine arc :lol:.

[Arista 07]

"Oh Jasmine. . .You came and you gave without taking"

That is the *only* thing I remember from that arc. :lol: Thanks, Lorne.

[Summers]

:lol: I remember that with Conner and Angel singing lol.

[Summers]

I just go an email my Angel CD has been shipped estimated date May 21, but my friends say I might get it earlier :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Actually, Connor was never under Jasmine's spell. He always saw her true face, always had free will.

But everyone under Jasmine's spell was so happy, so carefree, and he (after a lifetime of fighting and unhappiness) wanted that too. Plus, it allowed him to get along with Angel better than he ever could've dreamed. So he went along. And, even without the spell, he believed in what Jasmine was trying to do.

As he said in his really great monologue to comatosed Cordy (which you should't read if you haven't seen it, because VK acts the heck out of it, and it's better to see him do it first):

Oh ok, now I understand. Thanks Danny :).


Originally posted by Summers
I just go an email my Angel CD has been shipped estimated date May 21, but my friends say I might get it earlier :D.

That's awesome Summers :D. I didn't check mines yet, but im going to :D.

[Summers]

HAPPY B-DAY DAVID!!

REMINDER

ANGEL CD SOUNDTRACK. Here are the tracks:
1 Angel Main Theme - "The Sanctuary Extended Remix" - Darling Violetta 03:23
2 Start the Apocalypse - Robert J. Carl 03:35
3 The End of the World - Robert J. Carl 01:42
4 Massive Assault - Robert J. Carl 03:14
5 Home - Robert J. Carl 01:56
6 Hero - Robert J. Carl 05:24
7 Judgment & Jousting - Robert J. Carl 02:02
8 The Birth of Angelus - Robert J. Carl 03:30
9 Rebellion - Robert J. Carl 03:09
10 The Trials for Darla - Robert J. Carl 05:59
11 Dreaming of Darla - Robert J. Carl 03:24
12 Untouched / Darla's Fire - Robert J. Carl 02:11
13 Darla's Sacrifice - Robert J. Carl 05:43
14 Welcome to Pylea - Robert J. Carl 04:22
15 Through the Looking Glass - Robert J. Carl 04:06
16 Castle Attack - Robert J. Carl 02:20
17 Cordy Meets Fred - Robert J. Carl 02:54
18 Princess Cordelia - Robert J. Carl 01:20
19 Farewell Cordelia - Robert J. Carl 01:09
20 I'm Game - Christophe Beck 01:12
21 Touched - Vast 03:58
22 LA Song - Christian Kane 03:06
23 Lady Marmalade - Andy Hallett 02:29
24 It's Not Easy Being Green - Andy Hallett 02:53
25 A Place Called Home - Kim Richey 03:57


THE GRUDGE UNRATED AND EXTENDED VERSION

BOTH COME OUT TOMORROW!!!

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thanks Summers :).

I can't wait until I get my hands on this CD :D.

[Summers]

I know...me want lol.

I'm already see petitions to get a Buffy intrustmental CD as well lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, that is awesome :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Summers
HAPPY B-DAY DAVID!!

[B]REMINDER

ANGEL CD SOUNDTRACK. Here are the tracks:
1 Angel Main Theme - "The Sanctuary Extended Remix" - Darling Violetta 03:23
2 Start the Apocalypse - Robert J. Carl 03:35
3 The End of the World - Robert J. Carl 01:42
4 Massive Assault - Robert J. Carl 03:14
5 Home - Robert J. Carl 01:56
6 Hero - Robert J. Carl 05:24
7 Judgment & Jousting - Robert J. Carl 02:02
8 The Birth of Angelus - Robert J. Carl 03:30
13 Darla's Sacrifice - Robert J. Carl 05:43
14 Welcome to Pylea - Robert J. Carl 04:22
18 Princess Cordelia - Robert J. Carl 01:20
19 Farewell Cordelia - Robert J. Carl 01:09
20 I'm Game - Christophe Beck 01:12
22 LA Song - Christian Kane 03:06
25 A Place Called Home - Kim Richey 03:57


I cant wait to hear these tracks especially :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I really want to hear the Angel Theme remix :D.

[Summers]

yea, the longest I heard is a little bit over the theme on the tv series. This one more than three minutes :eek: :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yup :D.

I know three minutes is long time, since we only listen to the theme song for less than a minute :D.

[Summers]

Yea, I have one that is more than minute but this one is going to be longer and different :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Shore thing :D.

[SailorV]

It's about time they release a soundtrack for Angel. I didn't know it was coming out today! Yay! My day just got way better. Plus, a remix should be very cool. I'm glad I read this thread today..

[angelfire east]

I just saw the episode with Billy, the guy Angel broke out of jail to save Cordy. Wow what a powerful episode. I have so much to say about this episode and just don't know where to begin.

Poor Fred and poor Wes. I felt so bad for him at the end when he was crying after Fred left, because he was so shamed of what he almost did. Wes is such a nice person and I don't believe he'd ever be anything like that to a woman. I get the feeling when he had Fred pinned agasint the wall and fouced a kiss on her, he might raped then killed her if she hadn't had stopped him. I wonder how long he keep his distents from her and the others. Can anyone tell me, if you remember.

Poor Fred when she noised what Wes was starting to act like she tried to do everything right. Pertent she doesn't noise anything wrong, agree with him and try to leave the room with out him catching on. I was hoping the whole time that Wes (or Gunn) would catch her and hurt her. I get the feeling Wes isn't going to tell Fred his feelings for her for a very long time, though she might already know, unless she thinks all that talk and the kiss was just part of the the "spell".

I loved how Gun told her to knock him out, I wonder through how much was a act, like when she didn't hit him hard enough the first time, whether he was just pertent to scare her into hiting him hard enough or the stuff was starting to take over. Cuase I get the feeling if it was really turly taking over like it did Wes, then he would have put her to the ground before she had a chance to hit him again. But then again he was just hit over the head with a chair leg, so who knows?

I liked Cordys speech to the lawyer woman. It was very nice, the clothing talk that followed so nicely into talk of Billy and then into the b*t*h talk. very nice. I like that at the end the lawyer killed him, I would have been just as happy, maybe more, if Cordy had done it.

I also liked Angel pertenting to be about to hurt Cordy at the airport. I really believed he would, I all I could think was run Cordy you know what he is capeal(sp) of, run! I also like there talk at the end, he's less patiey(sp) then human's because he's demon.

I also wanted to say something about the episode before this one, when Fred's parents come to town.

Angle is a big dork, just like Cordy said. the way he came jumping and sping over to Cordy to get bandched up like it was the coolest thing in the world.:lol:

Also I loved the way Fred's mom "saved the day" by running over the bug, talk about road kill. It isn't as great now I know the thing was trying to kill them, cause it's a killer, but trying to get it's young back.

[Dannyblue1]

First, I love "Fredless", the episode with Fred's parents. And I loved Fred's parents. I loved that this episode was so much about the gang just hanging out, and interacting.

Angel is, indeed, very cute when he's being dorky.

As for "Billy", it was a powerful episode. This was a case where the show took a fantasical situation, and and used it to portray something very real. What was most disturbing about "Billy" was that there are men out there who think and act just like Billy, and the men he put the whammy on. (That women are basically objects there for a man's amusement. That women who try to be too strong, who dare to stand up for themselves, need to be put in their place.)

The fact that the women in the ep were strong, and did stand up for themselves, was great.

And Wesley's experiences in this episode do have an effect on him, along with other things he's gone through. That will really start to play out later in the season.

[Summers]

Billy and Fredless are the best. It was great to see Fred's loving parents, and seeing her mom happy after running it over with the bus :rotfl:. Billy was very dark, and very interesting. What has been said is already said, so basically I agree lol.

[Dannyblue1]

What was great about Fred's parents was they were proud of her no matter what she did. Whether that was studying physics or hunting demons, as long as she was happy, they were happy.

One of my favorite lines:


Roger: "How about this guy? Was he a demon?"

Cordy: "I think Angel called it a Durslar beast." He and Fred tracked it down after it attacked them when they went out for ice cream."

Roger: "You mean you know how to track these things, Fred?" (He sounded so proud.)


Roger: "Frankly, Angel, I don't care if you drink pig's blood, cows blood, or those froofy, little, imported beers. You saved my little girl."


Trish: "Hey! You got everything packed, baby? What about that shirt with the bug guts on it? You-you threw that out, right? You're not taking it home, right?"

Fred: "I don't know. I kinda thought I'd take it with me - guts and all. You know, as a souvenir."

Roger: "Ah. That's my girl!"

[angelfire east]

I love Fred's parents so funny. Hrr dad was pound and her mom was care for her.

I agree with you Dannyblue1about Billy. So far it's one of my favorite episodes.

[Summers]

I thought the actor who played Billy was hot lol. He was evil, but hot. That was an interesting concept on "Billy".

[angelfire east]

The guy who played Billy reminded me way too much of that crazy, evil guy in season seven, who was working with the First. He was really creepy. He ended up having blood coming out of his eyes near the end. I can't remember his name.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I just got my Angel soundtrack :D. But have to wait until I get home to listen to it.


Originally posted by Summers
I thought the actor who played Billy was hot lol. He was evil, but hot. That was an interesting concept on "Billy".

:lol:

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
The guy who played Billy reminded me way too much of that crazy, evil guy in season seven, who was working with the First. He was really creepy. He ended up having blood coming out of his eyes near the end. I can't remember his name.

The ex-preacher Caleb...I love that villain :D.

[angelfire east]

That's his name. Man he creeped me out so much.

[Dannyblue1]

We've done this debate already, but Caleb didn't creep me out at all. Billy, on the other hand, did. And, the thing was, he didn't even lay a finger on anyone. (Well, Angel during the fight, but other than that...) It was just this freakish joy he seemed to get from watching people hurt each other, the really insulting view he had of women, that he believed in so casually, like it was the truth. Eeek.

[Summers]

Yea, been there done this debate. They both creeped me out because of their views, and how they enforced them.

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, Billy creep me out to :D. That look he had, just gave me the goosebumps :D.

[greenshady]

Here's an Angel wallpaper I've been working on today:

800 x 600
http://dark-autumn.com/images/kryptonsite/AngelPoster01.jpg

2048 x 1536 (high resolution)
http://dark-autumn.com/art/images/AngelPoster00.jpg

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
lol, Billy creep me out to :D. That look he had, just gave me the goosebumps :D.

For me it was the look he had when Lilah was being beaten to a bloody pulp.

[Dannyblue1]

I have news. Uncomfirmed, but the sources are pretty reliable, from what I hear.

Charisma Carpenter will co-star in Voodoo Moon. Here's the basic summary.

The movie is set in a Midwestern town where a personification of the devil kills the entire population except a young boy named Cole and his sister. Twenty years later, the grown-up Cole (RESIDENT EVIL's Eric Mabius), who has been pursuing the devil, prepares for a final confrontation, while his sister (ANGEL's Charisma Carpenter) has developed the ability to sense disasters and death, and expresses them in her artwork.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if Summers beat me to it. I don't have time to check the rest of the thread...and Summers always beats me to it.

Anyway, you can read the rest of the blurb here (http://gorezone.net/).

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
They both creeped me out because of their views, and how they enforced them.

That's how I feel as well.

[richboy_lex]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I have news. Uncomfirmed, but the sources are pretty reliable, from what I hear.

Charisma Carpenter will co-star in Voodoo Moon. Here's the basic summary.

The movie is set in a Midwestern town where a personification of the devil kills the entire population except a young boy named Cole and his sister. Twenty years later, the grown-up Cole (RESIDENT EVIL's Eric Mabius), who has been pursuing the devil, prepares for a final confrontation, while his sister (ANGEL's Charisma Carpenter) has developed the ability to sense disasters and death, and expresses them in her artwork.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if Summers beat me to it. I don't have time to check the rest of the thread...and Summers always beats me to it.

Anyway, you can read the rest of the blurb here (http://gorezone.net/).

Doesnt that plot line sound too farmiliar... hmm.... where could it be from, it may have some differences but it sounds so much like something I've heard before....:p

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I have news. Uncomfirmed, but the sources are pretty reliable, from what I hear.

Charisma Carpenter will co-star in Voodoo Moon. Here's the basic summary.

The movie is set in a Midwestern town where a personification of the devil kills the entire population except a young boy named Cole and his sister. Twenty years later, the grown-up Cole (RESIDENT EVIL's Eric Mabius), who has been pursuing the devil, prepares for a final confrontation, while his sister (ANGEL's Charisma Carpenter) has developed the ability to sense disasters and death, and expresses them in her artwork.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if Summers beat me to it. I don't have time to check the rest of the thread...and Summers always beats me to it.

Anyway, you can read the rest of the blurb here (http://gorezone.net/).

I dont always beat you :lol:. I believe Buzz did this time lol. He just didnt post it in this thread. I think it was the other one...no wait that was Vernoica Mars..Nah, you beat us :D.

[greenshady]

Does anyone know where I can get a FULL BODY picture of Illyria? I want to use one in a wallpaper. I've looked everywhere, and the only thing I can find is a behind the scenes shot that without the blue hair and stuff.

[Summers]

Originally posted by greenshady
Does anyone know where I can get a FULL BODY picture of Illyria? I want to use one in a wallpaper. I've looked everywhere, and the only thing I can find is a behind the scenes shot that without the blue hair and stuff.

Here, Green just scroll down and you will see full body pictures with the blue hair and skin:
http://gallery.slayerverse.net/categories.php?cat_id=207&page=2

[greenshady]

Originally posted by Summers
Here, Green just scroll down and you will see full body pictures with the blue hair and skin:
http://gallery.slayerverse.net/categories.php?cat_id=207&page=2
I looked and there wasn't any picture of Illyria. I have looked through that gallery of Fred/Illyria on slayerverse, and couldn't find any. I seen some pictures of Illyria, but none of the full body. And when I say full body I mean everything, the head down to the toes.

Oh, and I never noticed it before, but the song that Lindsey sings, LA Song, is the same song that Eve sings for Lorne in A Hole In The World. I don't know why I never noticed that. I'm always catching things that I never noticed before, no matter how many times I've watched the seasons.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I have news. Uncomfirmed, but the sources are pretty reliable, from what I hear.

Charisma Carpenter will co-star in Voodoo Moon. Here's the basic summary.

The movie is set in a Midwestern town where a personification of the devil kills the entire population except a young boy named Cole and his sister. Twenty years later, the grown-up Cole (RESIDENT EVIL's Eric Mabius), who has been pursuing the devil, prepares for a final confrontation, while his sister (ANGEL's Charisma Carpenter) has developed the ability to sense disasters and death, and expresses them in her artwork.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if Summers beat me to it. I don't have time to check the rest of the thread...and Summers always beats me to it.

Anyway, you can read the rest of the blurb
here (http://gorezone.net/).


That's great news :D. Can't wait to see the movie because of CC :D.

Thanks Danny :).

Awesome walls btw Greenshady :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by greenshady
I looked and there wasn't any picture of Illyria. I have looked through that gallery of Fred/Illyria on slayerverse, and couldn't find any. I seen some pictures of Illyria, but none of the full body. And when I say full body I mean everything, the head down to the toes.

Oh, and I never noticed it before, but the song that Lindsey sings, LA Song, is the same song that Eve sings for Lorne in A Hole In The World. I don't know why I never noticed that. I'm always catching things that I never noticed before, no matter how many times I've watched the seasons.

They are closests your going to get to full body pictures of Illyria. That's the close your gonna get because the screencaps rarely have fully body of Illyria. Except in "Shells" you might see them or "Time Bomb". Those are you best bet.

Lindsey makes Eve listen to country :D.

[greenshady]

Originally posted by Summers
They are closests your going to get to full body pictures of Illyria. That's the close your gonna get because the screencaps rarely have fully body of Illyria. Except in "Shells" you might see them or "Time Bomb". Those are you best bet.

Lindsey makes Eve listen to country :D.
Yeah, I figured. I'll have to work with what I got, I guess. I figured that maybe someone had seen some kind of promo shot or something. I think I have something going with my wallpaper, except for that I have Illyria cut off at the knees. :)

[Summers]

Originally posted by greenshady
Yeah, I figured. I'll have to work with what I got, I guess. I figured that maybe someone had seen some kind of promo shot or something. I think I have something going with my wallpaper, except for that I have Illyria cut off at the knees. :)

The promo shots are at the slayverse gallery, and they did cut her off at the knees. That's it. I only saw about two I think. That's it sorry :(.

[angelfire east]

Well I missed Darla having the baby, so what happened to her, is she still alive? The baby is a cutey, the only part I got to see all week was of Angel trying to get the baby to stop crying and nothing worked but turning into a vimp.

The episode I just saw last night was of Cordy dying and being out of her body. I love Skip:D So funny. I never thought of Cordy being turned in to part demon, can't wait to see where it goes.

[Summers]

Darla staked herself for Conner to live. So sad, and so poetic at the same time.

[angelfire east]

She did, wow I can't believe I missed that. Now I really need to get the dvds. Thanks for the info:)

[Medevilman]

Conner's soul was inside Darla giving her a soul. The soul is the reason for the selfless act.

[angelfire east]

Really wow. That's why she started to think she was going carzy. I really liked Darla, but of cause with Angel just because a chacarter dies doesn't mean we've seen the last on them.

[Summers]

Yea, Darla couldnt understand why she was having these emotions until Angel told her your feeling our child's soul.

Exactly. Becki you will see Darla again :D.

[angelfire east]

Really great:D Can't wait:D Thanks for the info now I'm happy.

[Dannyblue1]

I think "Lullaby" was brilliant. I love it that, while magic mojo could get Darla with child, even magic wasn't enough to do the whole job.

Darla staking herself was the perfect example of a character doing something that seems out of character, but the show building up to it so it made perfect sense. When Darla sacrificed herself for Connor, I was completely stunned. I wasn't expecting that at all. (In fact, I was wondering if she was going to attack Angel with that stake. It would've been so...Darla.) But, then, she says:

Darla: "This child - Angel, it's the one good thing we ever did together. The only good thing. You make sure to tell him that."

That's the first hint I had of what might happen. Which didn't help because, half a second later, she did it, and I was left there stunned for the rest of the episode. And tearing up over Darla, for goodness sakes.

But, as shocking as it was, it didn't come out of the blue. Looking back over those three episodes, you see that they built up to her doing something like that brilliantly.

That's why people saying some of the things on SV (like Jason suddenly turning evil) that seem to come out of the blue and not really make sense were done like that on purpose to keep the audience surprised. I don't buy that. It's possible to surprise the audience while staying true to the story.

[Hartski]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1


That's why people saying some of the things on SV (like Jason suddenly turning evil) that seem to come out of the blue and not really make sense were done like that on purpose to keep the audience surprised. I don't buy that. It's possible to surprise the audience while staying true to the story.

While the writers of SV are very good, they don't have the genius of Joss. Can you imagine SV trying to do a musical episode, or one without dialog? Joss pulled both ideas off brilliantly.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1

But, as shocking as it was, it didn't come out of the blue. Looking back over those three episodes, you see that they built up to her doing something like that brilliantly.

That's why people saying some of the things on SV (like Jason suddenly turning evil) that seem to come out of the blue and not really make sense were done like that on purpose to keep the audience surprised. I don't buy that. It's possible to surprise the audience while staying true to the story.

Exactly. IMO You could see the goodness in Darla(a tiny bit) when she was vampire in her own episode "Darla" from the way she would talk to Angelus. There was hints of that in the second season as well IMO. But you could see it not coming out of the blue because Darla has this protective, caring attitude that is connected to Angel. She tries to be bad arse about it, or tough about it but the truth is she's not when it concerns Angel.

Oh, Jason. I wished they did a better job on him. Personally, from the way his nightmare was I thought we were going to see a struggle within from going to the darkside. But its like they used a lightswitch with him.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Medevilman
Conner's soul was inside Darla giving her a soul. The soul is the reason for the selfless act.

They were actually sharing a soul.


Originally posted by Dannyblue1

That's why people saying some of the things on SV (like Jason suddenly turning evil) that seem to come out of the blue and not really make sense were done like that on purpose to keep the audience surprised. I don't buy that. It's possible to surprise the audience while staying true to the story.

Exactly, Jason all of sudden turned evil for reason's we don't understand because he wasn't interested in the stones until he mother arrive. But there are some differences between him and Darla changing. Darla shared a soul which told us why she was acting the way she was. But with Jason we don't understand why he became evil.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012

Exactly, Jason all of sudden turned evil for reason's we don't understand because he wasn't interested in the stones until he mother arrive. But there are some differences between him and Darla changing. Darla shared a soul which told us why she was acting the way she was. But with Jason we don't understand why he became evil.

Excellent point John ;).

The stone theory really doesnt make sense. In Commencement they were using is incestous mother's love for him to want the stones. That was in the last episode of all thngs. Then there is the Lana theory. Its a shame Jensen was great at being the nice, cool coach and at being evil.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thankyou Mel :D.

Yea, I didn't really understand the whole stone theory. But can't wait until Season 5 comes :D.

[Dannyblue1]

To me, it seems like Darla was influenced by the energy radiating off of Connor's soul...for lack of a better word. It's like standing near a hot stove in a cold house. You can feel the heat of it, but still be ice cold yourself at first. But, stand there long enough, and you'll eventually warm up.

That's how it was for Darla. She was feeling Connor's soul for a while, but she wasn't strongly effected by it. She could still be as cold-blooded and evil as she wanted, with nary a qualm. But, after a while, she couldn't fight it's influence anymore...and didn't seem to want to. Instead of fighting those "good" feelings, she started to like them and want them...because they allowed her to love her child in a way she never thought she could love anyone. I think that, if Darla had really wanted to, she could've continued shaking off those feelings of goodness that seem to sweeped over her every so often. But she embraced them instead...after putting up a bit of a fight, of course.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
To me, it seems like Darla was influenced by the energy radiating off of Connor's soul...for lack of a better word. It's like standing near a hot stove in a cold house. You can feel the heat of it, but still be ice cold yourself at first. But, stand there long enough, and you'll eventually warm up.

That's how it was for Darla. She was feeling Connor's soul for a while, but she wasn't strongly effected by it. She could still be as cold-blooded and evil as she wanted, with nary a qualm. But, after a while, she couldn't fight it's influence anymore...and didn't seem to want to. Instead of fighting those "good" feelings, she started to like them and want them...because they allowed her to love her child in a way she never thought she could love anyone. I think that, if Darla had really wanted to, she could've continued shaking off those feelings of goodness that seem to sweeped over her every so often. But she embraced them instead...after putting up a bit of a fight, of course.

That's how I saw it.

What I also think affected her a lot was coming alive as a human again in AtS S2. She remembers what happened. What she felt during that time. That had influence on her character as well IMO. I always like Darla because she was an interesting character watch.

Here is a theological question. You know how in season four TPTB brought her back to reason with Conner. Does that mean after she staked herself she went to heaven? I mean was she loved and comforted?

I always thought she was because TPTB gave her this one moment with her son.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
To me, it seems like Darla was influenced by the energy radiating off of Connor's soul...for lack of a better word. It's like standing near a hot stove in a cold house. You can feel the heat of it, but still be ice cold yourself at first. But, stand there long enough, and you'll eventually warm up.

That's how it was for Darla. She was feeling Connor's soul for a while, but she wasn't strongly effected by it. She could still be as cold-blooded and evil as she wanted, with nary a qualm. But, after a while, she couldn't fight it's influence anymore...and didn't seem to want to. Instead of fighting those "good" feelings, she started to like them and want them...because they allowed her to love her child in a way she never thought she could love anyone. I think that, if Darla had really wanted to, she could've continued shaking off those feelings of goodness that seem to sweeped over her every so often. But she embraced them instead...after putting up a bit of a fight, of course.

Well actually, Darla even said to Connor that they were sharing a soul. When TPTB sent her to help Connor, she said that. Not saying your wrong Danny, but I just thought she was sharing a soul because Darla actually said it.


Originally posted by Summers

Here is a theological question. You know how in season four TPTB brought her back to reason with Conner. Does that mean after she staked herself she went to heaven? I mean was she loved and comforted?

I always thought she was because TPTB gave her this one moment with her son.

Good question Mel, It's possible TPTB did send her to heaven. I mean even though she did all of those bad thing's in her past. She actually did one good thing and that was having Connor

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Well actually, Darla even said to Connor that they were sharing a soul. When TPTB sent her to help Connor, she said that. Not saying your wrong Danny, but I just thought she was sharing a soul because Darla actually said it.

Good question Mel, It's possible TPTB did send her to heaven. I mean even though she did all of those bad thing's in her past. She actually did one good thing and that was having Connor

I believe Angel said it to her, but it wasnt her soul. She felt it, but she was also rejecting it. Darla is similar to Leia in the Star Wars books when she was pregnant with her children.

I kinda hope she was because. Either they go to heaven or hell. I was so sad for Fred because she didnt go to either of them. Her soul/essence was non-existent :(.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Well actually, Darla even said to Connor that they were sharing a soul. When TPTB sent her to help Connor, she said that. Not saying your wrong Danny, but I just thought she was sharing a soul because Darla actually said it.

Not disputing the "sharing a soul" part. She was, in a sense, sharing Connor's soul, because she was being influenced by it. But that's how I interpretted the situation, given what we saw.

Also, Summers, that's an interesting question.

SPOILERS AHEAD, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO KNOW. AND I CAN'T GET THE TAGD TO WORK, JUST LIKE ALWAYS.

You know, when Darla first appeared in "Inside Out", I was reminded of Angel, Doyle, the Prio Motu, perhaps Whistler. All of them had something to atone for, and the PTB gave them the opportunity to do so. That's what I figure they did with Darla. Giving her a chance to atone. Whether she's sitting around in heaven, waiting until they need her, or sort in limbo, or maybe in the world performing tasks for the PTB even as we speak is anyone's guess.

[Hartski]

As cool as Illyria was, I'm still peeved at what they did to Fred.:(

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1

SPOILERS AHEAD, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO KNOW. AND I CAN'T GET THE TAGD TO WORK, JUST LIKE ALWAYS.

You know, when Darla first appeared in "Inside Out", I was reminded of Angel, Doyle, the Prio Motu, perhaps Whistler. All of them had something to atone for, and the PTB gave them the opportunity to do so. That's what I figure they did with Darla. Giving her a chance to atone. Whether she's sitting around in heaven, waiting until they need her, or sort in limbo, or maybe in the world performing tasks for the PTB even as we speak is anyone's guess.

Kinda like on bat? Its kinda similar to what they did with Joyce in season 7 by having her talk to Buffy in her dreams. Joyce couldve been the same position. That's why I hoped Darla went to heaven because of that. The one thing by scarficing(sp?) herself couldve redeemed her in TPTB's eyes.


Originally posted by Hartski
As cool as Illyria was, I'm still peeved at what they did to Fred.:(

Well, I see it as making her death unique. Everyone's death was unique(or heroic), and Fred's was the only one that her essence/soul didnt go to Heaven or Hell. It makes her death unique in that sense.

Its not much, but it is something.

[Hartski]

I will say this, though. Amy Acker with the blue hair and colored contacts...............Soooooooooooooo hot.:o

[Dannyblue1]

You gotta love Illyria. It can't be helped. Even if you loved Fred, and hated that she died and how, you just couldn't not be fascinated by Illyria. She was just too cool all around.

And AA was great in the part.

[Mysticlies]

I think it was said that if Angle was to come back for another seasn that the writers would have brought back Fred.


this might have been brought up before, but do you think that Wesley might have lived if the writers were given another season to work with? (there are like a thousand posts, so I couldn't tell);)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
Not disputing the "sharing a soul" part. She was, in a sense, sharing Connor's soul, because she was being influenced by it. But that's how I interpretted the situation, given what we saw.


Oh ok, I understand what you mean.


Originally posted by Mysticlies
I think it was said that if Angle was to come back for another seasn that the writers would have brought back Fred.


this might have been brought up before, but do you think that Wesley might have lived if the writers were given another season to work with? (there are like a thousand posts, so I couldn't tell);)

I don't think they would have brought back fred. It would be an possible to bring her back because her soul was destroyed. But If they really wanted her back then the crew would make something up to do that.

I really think Wesley would have stayed alive. His Character is so good that they couldn't do that if they would have had another season.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
I think it was said that if Angle was to come back for another seasn that the writers would have brought back Fred.


this might have been brought up before, but do you think that Wesley might have lived if the writers were given another season to work with? (there are like a thousand posts, so I couldn't tell);)

Well, Joss said he needed someone to die. If you count Gunn he is dead as well. Illyria even said he didnt have much time to live. So Gunn and Wes bit the dust. Even they did no really dies in the Buffyverse because they are still remembered and loved by the characters. And in flashbacks, dreams, and what not.

Needless to say I cried when Wes died solely because Illyria transformed into Fred. It made so compelling, and sweet.

Illyria was going to have a longer arc though. "Time Bomb" was used to cut her arc off :(. I love how she talked to Spike. She sawa s a puppy when she had her full power.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012

I really think Wesley would have stayed alive. His Character is so good that they couldn't do that if they would have had another season.

Oh, yes that would :lol: They killed Cordy, Doyle, Joyce, Jenny, Buffy, Angel, Spike, Anya, and Tara. They were all good, but they died.

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, well all of those people died because they had to for a reason. Wes had a chance to actually stay alive.

[Medevilman]

I hated how they killed of Wes, Cordy, and Doyle. They were all really good charcters.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Well there were personal reason's for two of the characters death. Cordy had to die because Charisma was pregnant at the time. Doyle had to die because Glenn had drug problems and Joss couldn't trust him on doing his part.

[angelfire east]

I wasn't super upset when Wes died because I only just watching and his character was still to new and unknown to me. Now I'm sad because I don't want him or Fred or Cordy to die. But I kown it's coming and I get the feeling there deaths will be good (i.e. make me cry and great story)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Whedon himself has say that Wes was going to die at some point, just not this early if the show had continued.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I wasn't super upset when Wes died because I only just watching and his character was still to new and unknown to me. Now I'm sad because I don't want him or Fred or Cordy to die. But I kown it's coming and I get the feeling there deaths will be good (i.e. make me cry and great story)

All of there death's were actually good. I was just sad to see great characters leave :(.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Well there were personal reason's for two of the characters death. Cordy had to die because Charisma was pregnant at the time. Doyle had to die because Glenn had drug problems and Joss couldn't trust him on doing his part.

The Cordy info is false John. Charisma was not pregnant at the time when Cordy died. Cordy died in season five. Charisma was pregnant in season 4. There was no personal reasons for Charisma only Glenn. Glenn was the only one that was killed because of the problems he created on the set. Charisma's Cordy died because it was her time. Knowing that TPTB gave her the chance to say good bye the right way.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Whedon himself has say that Wes was going to die at some point, just not this early if the show had continued.

Exactly. Wes was actually meant to die on Buffy, but he was lived on because Wes was interesting and funny. Wes was going to die anyways. Since Angel was axed it was the right time.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

The joys of writing for the television industry.

At least we all have the upcoming comics.

[Summers]

Two now. Spike and Angel :). They are also continuing the Buffy comics as well.

Whoa, I just noticed this thread made 100 pages :D. Woohoo time to celebrate.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Is Dark Horse doing the Buffy comics or is it IDW?

[Summers]

Neither. Dark Horse stopped making them for at least two years I think. Oh, Dark Horse did a terrific job.

The publisher now is Simon Spotlight. I'm assuming its Simon & Schuster affliate since they handled the Buffy novel still. The artwork cover actually resembles the Buffy Animated cartoon stills. Here's what I mean:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=um229FLAzE&isbn=1416900578&itm=1
You can see a larger view of it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Looks great. I thought you were talking about the comics.

The novels almost seem to be a Year One take. Maybe we'll get that animated series after all.

Either way, I'm getting them next time I see them at Barnes and Noble or Borders.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Looks great. I thought you were talking about the comics.

The novels almost seem to be a Year One take. Maybe we'll get that animated series after all.

Either way, I'm getting them next time I see them at Barnes and Noble or Borders.

The covers for the novels dont resemble that. Then again that one is centered on young adult. Those are the closest we got to a comic practically...then again I'm getting technical lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

True enough. I assume they'll do a comic again at some point. We've ANGEL, it's only a matter of time until BUFFY returns.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
The Cordy info is false John. Charisma was not pregnant at the time when Cordy died. Cordy died in season five. Charisma was pregnant in season 4. There was no personal reasons for Charisma only Glenn. Glenn was the only one that was killed because of the problems he created on the set. Charisma's Cordy died because it was her time. Knowing that TPTB gave her the chance to say good bye the right way.

Oh ok, now I understand.

Thanks for correcting me Mel :).

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Summers
The Cordy info is false John. Charisma was not pregnant at the time when Cordy died. Cordy died in season five. Charisma was pregnant in season 4. There was no personal reasons for Charisma only Glenn. Glenn was the only one that was killed because of the problems he created on the set. Charisma's Cordy died because it was her time. Knowing that TPTB gave her the chance to say good bye the right way.

What really happened is open to interpretation. All I know is that, in an interview she gave at the end of season 4, CC seemed really excited about season 5, and what would happen with Cordy after what she went through in season 4 (being possessed and all). Then, a few days later, we get news that ME announced she wouldn't be returning. According to the person who ran CC's official fan site at the time (who corresponded with her regularly) CC was taken completely by surprise by this news. So it's hard to believe what went down was amicable. You don't leave it for a person to find out they've been fired by way of the news if all is hunky-dorey between you.

Under the circumstances, I thought CC showed much class coming back in season 5. She didn't have to, but she put whatever hard feelings she may have had aside to come back and give the character the heroic ending she deserved.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
What really happened is open to interpretation. All I know is that, in an interview she gave at the end of season 4, CC seemed really excited about season 5, and what would happen with Cordy after what she went through in season 4 (being possessed and all). Then, a few days later, we get news that ME announced she wouldn't be returning. According to the person who ran CC's official fan site at the time (who corresponded with her regularly) CC was taken completely by surprise by this news. So it's hard to believe what went down was amicable. You don't leave it for a person to find out they've been fired by way of the news if all is hunky-dorey between you.

Under the circumstances, I thought CC showed much class coming back in season 5. She didn't have to, but she put whatever hard feelings she may have had aside to come back and give the character the heroic ending she deserved.

I do know it had nothing to do with her pregnancy though. CC did not like the Cordy/Conner arc at all, and Joss wanted to wipe the slate clean. I just wanted to emphasize it wasnt about her pregnancy. It was more of how she disapproved of Conner/Cordy arc. Joss really wanted to get away from that. Its the only thing he did on Angel(I think) that he listened to the fans. Cordy and Conner both were casted aside because of that. It wasnt just her character.

Joss and her did reconcile though. It was water under the bridge when she returned in season five. They both made sure of that. They was very professional and showed much class by both of them.

With Glenn. Joss had to do what he had to do.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

That was an awful addition to the arc of the season. I dreaded it and cringed watching it. The way they had played it with Cordelia being Connor's mother just worked then that happened.

[Summers]

I agree Lex. I didnt like it either. Its the only arc I didnt like on Angel :(.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I loved every Angelus story that brought forth including that drug induced version back in season one. It seems everytime they bring Angelus in we get strong psychological arcs that make the characters fight for their own survivial and find the basis of themselves.

It just has true impact and that has always worked well.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
That was an awful addition to the arc of the season. I dreaded it and cringed watching it. The way they had played it with Cordelia being Connor's mother just worked then that happened.

I think they waited too long to reveal that it wasn't really Cordy. I think that, if they had dropped some clues that she wasn't exactly herself, it woulda been easier to take for some. Because some people just couldn't get past the whole "guy sleeping with his mother" thing. Then, by the time the truth was revealed, it was too late for some because, for months, they'd been dealing with the fictional fact that Cordelia Chase had done the deed. It was hard to then switch gears to "but it wasn't really Cordy". They did way too good a job of concealing the facts.

But you know what's interesting. If you go back and watch the episodes before the reveal, you can tell that it really isn't Cordy. There's something off about her. And you can see her gently manipulating people. (Like how she got Angel to agree to give up his soul voluntarily). But, at the time, you didn't see it. You just thought it was Cordy. It's not hard to understand why the FG was fooled by her. Really, CC did a great job of making Possessed Cordy different, but in such a subtle way that you only see it in hindsight.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Very, very subtle. I do remember catching that in the reruns.

It was hard to get past the earlier images like you said though.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
What really happened is open to interpretation. All I know is that, in an interview she gave at the end of season 4, CC seemed really excited about season 5, and what would happen with Cordy after what she went through in season 4 (being possessed and all). Then, a few days later, we get news that ME announced she wouldn't be returning. According to the person who ran CC's official fan site at the time (who corresponded with her regularly) CC was taken completely by surprise by this news. So it's hard to believe what went down was amicable. You don't leave it for a person to find out they've been fired by way of the news if all is hunky-dorey between you.

Under the circumstances, I thought CC showed much class coming back in season 5. She didn't have to, but she put whatever hard feelings she may have had aside to come back and give the character the heroic ending she deserved.

Oh, are you serious? They just fired CC after her being all excited about Season 5. I feel so bad for her :(. Im just glad they brought her back for at least an episode :).


Originally posted by Summers
I do know it had nothing to do with her pregnancy though. CC did not like the Cordy/Conner arc at all, and Joss wanted to wipe the slate clean. I just wanted to emphasize it wasnt about her pregnancy. It was more of how she disapproved of Conner/Cordy arc. Joss really wanted to get away from that. Its the only thing he did on Angel(I think) that he listened to the fans. Cordy and Conner both were casted aside because of that. It wasnt just her character.

Joss and her did reconcile though. It was water under the bridge when she returned in season five. They both made sure of that. They was very professional and showed much class by both of them.

With Glenn. Joss had to do what he had to do.

I never know that Mel, I always thought she left because of her pregnancy.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

All the interviews I read in ANGEL magazine focus on the pregnancy and nothing was otherwise mentioned.

It just allowed her time to have the child and decide if she wanted to come back or not. By choice, she came back and did that one episode (100th) ironically.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Im still wondering why they didn't bring her back to play in Season 5.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

As far as I remember she wanted to adjust to having her child and when the time was right she return to acting hence ANGEL and the on-and-off character on CHARMED.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh, so it was actually her decision to come back. I thought Joss didn't want her character back.

[Summers]

No, Joss never stated that at all. He knew from the ghetto that he had to bring Conner and Cordy back to finish off their arcs nicely. Sarah couldnt make the 100th episode which was originally planned for Buffy to return, but she was in Japan doing The Grudge.

Joss asked CC because it fit better that Cordy guided Angel back. Joss just wanted to get away from the Cordy/Conner arc not cut her off by her knees. In the end it worked out nice, and there is no more antimosity.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
As far as I remember she wanted to adjust to having her child and when the time was right she return to acting hence ANGEL and the on-and-off character on CHARMED.

No, that wasn't it at all. Like I said, CC had no idea she wasn't coming back. The whole thing about her leaving the show to be with her child was mostly being floated around the message boards by the fans, who loved Joss and didn't want to think he could do any wrong. Hey, I got mad props for Joss as a writer/producer/creator. But he's only human. And, when dealing with other humans, things happen.

And there was never a, "Well, she can come back when she's ready," type situation. She was just gone. Let go.

If I had to guess why, I'd say money was a big part of it. Having both JM and CC on the payroll (and Stephanie Romanoff, too) would've stretched the purse strings too much. The WB really wanted Spike. So, they kept JM, and traded CC and SR (who had been on the show for years and would get paid accordingly) for two actresses who were (to be brutally honest about it) cheaper.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I heard those details as well. I thought everything kind of fit together perfectly, either way.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
No, Joss never stated that at all. He knew from the ghetto that he had to bring Conner and Cordy back to finish off their arcs nicely. Sarah couldnt make the 100th episode which was originally planned for Buffy to return, but she was in Japan doing The Grudge.

Joss asked CC because it fit better that Cordy guided Angel back. Joss just wanted to get away from the Cordy/Conner arc not cut her off by her knees. In the end it worked out nice, and there is no more antimosity.

Oh ok, now I understand. They wanted to finiish Connor and Cordy's arc before Season 5 was over. Im glad they did, because those episode rocked :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
No, that wasn't it at all. Like I said, CC had no idea she wasn't coming back. The whole thing about her leaving the show to be with her child was mostly being floated around the message boards by the fans, who loved Joss and didn't want to think he could do any wrong. Hey, I got mad props for Joss as a writer/producer/creator. But he's only human. And, when dealing with other humans, things happen.

And there was never a, "Well, she can come back when she's ready," type situation. She was just gone. Let go.

If I had to guess why, I'd say money was a big part of it. Having both JM and CC on the payroll (and Stephanie Romanoff, too) would've stretched the purse strings too much. The WB really wanted Spike. So, they kept JM, and traded CC and SR (who had been on the show for years and would get paid accordingly) for two actresses who were (to be brutally honest about it) cheaper.

He did know he had to bring her back. He kept CC out of the loop on that. This is the same guy who didnt inform the BtVS cast/crew that season 7 was the last. Most of the cast knew, but the rest of the cast and crew found out of Sarah's interview on Entertainment Weekly. She was getting blame for voicing what was going on until Joss finally spoken up. He has screwed up, but at least he reconciled and admitted. There are things I dont like what he does, but he is good person and not as bit as insulting as AlMiles. Look what they did to Sam Jones, AM, and Ian.

David Fury did say Angel's budget was pretty good in season 4, and then in season 5 good ol' WB :rolleyes: downsized their budget to season 1 size. Money was a variable.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Always it but it was still a HUGE season for what he did.

Wolfram and Hart went down as far as I was concerned.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I heard those details as well. I thought everything kind of fit together perfectly, either way.

I agree. It was like perfect timing.

[BuZzArD 8012]

So everyone's salary had to go down because of bringing James in the show?

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Always it but it was still a HUGE season for what he did.

Wolfram and Hart went down as far as I was concerned.

Oh yea. I still get a kick of Joss flat out saying "Hamltion" came from how executives at the WB act like :lol:.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
So everyone's salary had to go down because of bringing James in the show?

No, it doesnt really work like that.

The WB basically wanted the Cordy/Conner thing to stop. They didnt like. Fans didnt like, and Joss complied. It was the only way to keep the show on.

Spike was used as a gimmick to get the Buffy fans who didnt watch Angel to watch Angel. He was a ratings gimmick sadly.

Even if James wouldnt be able to come on the show the WB would have downsized the budget of the show anyways. Salaries kinda coorelate, and kinda dont. Its not his fault.

It really was a mixture of variables. A lot of variables lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Its one of the many prospects of dealing with business. Usually actors are set with a set salary and get paid by that. Crew goes through much of the samething.

Essentially, they downsized the budget of the show for effects and decisions and the like. Picking and choosing to reword what Summers said.

[Summers]

You said it better than me :).

Salaries wouldve actually increased after season 5 due to license fees.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
No, it doesnt really work like that.

The WB basically wanted the Cordy/Conner thing to stop. They didnt like. Fans didnt like, and Joss complied. It was the only way to keep the show on.

Spike was used as a gimmick to get the Buffy fans who didnt watch Angel to watch Angel. He was a ratings gimmick sadly.

Even if James wouldnt be able to come on the show the WB would have downsized the budget of the show anyways. Salaries kinda coorelate, and kinda dont. Its not his fault.

It really was a mixture of variables. A lot of variables lol.

Oh ok, now I understand. But why were people still hating the whole Connor/Cordy arc? If this was brand new season with both of them out.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It was just one of those "stains" left by the previous season and I think the writers felt they needed to clean it up. By re-introducing them and fixing the elements that we all hated.

I for one loved it when they both came back and were more dynamic.

Season Five was built to fix mistakes from the prior seasons more or less and bring in new audiences by focusing on more character driven episodes.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Oh ok, now I understand. But why were people still hating the whole Connor/Cordy arc? If this was brand new season with both of them out.

I hated because it was gross. To me personally it felt like I was watching an incestous play or something. I mean the Buffy/Spike tyst made sense to me, but Conner/Cordy was just gross to me because she was basically his suggorate mother. I didnt like watching, and I wont like my sisters watch parts of it. They know what happen, but I wont let them watch. Well, I dont let them the Buffy/Spike tyst either.

It felt wrong to me, and then Jasmine was like a bad icing on the cake.

That's how I felt.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
It was just one of those "stains" left by the previous season and I think the writers felt they needed to clean it up. By re-introducing them and fixing the elements that we all hated.

I for one loved it when they both came back and were more dynamic.

Season Five was built to fix mistakes from the prior seasons more or less and bring in new audiences by focusing on more character driven episodes.

My sentiments exactly. I'm was proud that they redeemed Cordy and Conner. I knew what happened, and such but I'm glad they fixed it.

I liked season four up to the point when Faith left. I still love "Home". Its still one of my favorite finales.

[Dannyblue1]

The writers made a habit of tormenting ANGEL. Every year, they seemed to sit down and ask themselves, "What can we do to make Angel's life a living heck this season?" To them, the woman Angel wanted for himself seeiming to choose his son over him was just another way for life to kick Angel in the teeth. But, to a lot of fans, they just went to far with that one.

Me? I have this strange ability to hate a part of something while loving it overall (and vice-versa). I hated Concord. The minute I realized where they were going, I knew it was a HUGE mistake. But I was able to put it away in a box in my head, and still love the season as a whole. But, for some people, Concord ruined the season for them.

Still, the way DB delivered this line almost made it worth it.

Angelus to Connor: "Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad…" (Pauses to look thoughtful.) "Hmm, there should be a play."

I said almost.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
The writers made a habit of tormenting ANGEL. Every year, they seemed to sit down and ask themselves, "What can we do to make Angel's life a living heck this season?" To them, the woman Angel wanted for himself seeiming to choose his son over him was just another way for life to kick Angel in the teeth. But, to a lot of fans, they just went to far with that one.

Me? I have this strange ability to hate a part of something while loving it overall (and vice-versa). I hated Concord. The minute I realized where they were going, I knew it was a HUGE mistake. But I was able to put it away in a box in my head, and still love the season as a whole. But, for some people, Concord ruined the season for them.

Still, the way DB delivered this line almost made it worth it.

Angelus to Connor: "Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad…" (Pauses to look thoughtful.) "Hmm, there should be a play."

I said almost.

They love their torment ;).

That line I couldnt stop laughing :lol: I love "Soulless" Angelus was scary with his mind games.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
I hated because it was gross. To me personally it felt like I was watching an incestous play or something. I mean the Buffy/Spike tyst made sense to me, but Conner/Cordy was just gross to me because she was basically his suggorate mother. I didnt like watching, and I wont like my sisters watch parts of it. They know what happen, but I wont let them watch. Well, I dont let them the Buffy/Spike tyst either.

It felt wrong to me, and then Jasmine was like a bad icing on the cake.

That's how I felt.


It was pretty gross because Cordy was somewhat his mother. But Im glad they got that all fix up with the new episodes Cordy and Connor were in.


Originally posted by Dannyblue1
The writers made a habit of tormenting ANGEL. Every year, they seemed to sit down and ask themselves, "What can we do to make Angel's life a living heck this season?" To them, the woman Angel wanted for himself seeiming to choose his son over him was just another way for life to kick Angel in the teeth. But, to a lot of fans, they just went to far with that one.

Me? I have this strange ability to hate a part of something while loving it overall (and vice-versa). I hated Concord. The minute I realized where they were going, I knew it was a HUGE mistake. But I was able to put it away in a box in my head, and still love the season as a whole. But, for some people, Concord ruined the season for them.

Still, the way DB delivered this line almost made it worth it.

Angelus to Connor: "Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad…" (Pauses to look thoughtful.) "Hmm, there should be a play."

I said almost.

They did Torment Angel alot. To bad he sign away the Shanshu to make him human.

That line was one of the Funniest line's in Angel :lol:.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012

They did Torment Angel alot. To bad he sign away the Shanshu to make him human.


And Buffy. There is this line Joss says in A&E Biography he says "Happy Buffy bad, sad Buffy good." same is true for Angel lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

:lol: That is true :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It just brings in more viewers if our favorite characters in some form of crisis. I probably wouldn't watch unless something was happening to Buffy or Angel.

Besides that it is a rule in any writing for that matter to have a constant plot moving and by doing that you have to throw character up a tree and they have figure out how to get down.

[Summers]

That is true unfortnately sometimes some shows cant do it right. Its like they cant execute it right. IMO One of key factors, I read on the characterizatoin writing, is that the character who is basically in a crisis you need to either relate, understand, and basically know why they got into that situation. Furthermore to make that crisis part of the character's personality. So it doesnt look like a constant reboot everytime something happens.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think that's the way SMALLVILLE feels at times.

Doesn't stop me from tuning in from week to week though since we have at least six different characters who are constantly changing. But BUFFY and ANGEL had the character's planned out (exceptions occurred) since Joss understood the characters couldn't always be in the same state. He also mastered the story arc - something big happened it changed everyone.

[Summers]

Right, at least Joss and Co. had plan. They know where they wanted the mythology and the mentality of the characters at one time.

With Smallville honestly I'm still trying to figure out their writing habits.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think Miles and Al map it, but don't do it well enough.

They choose particular writers for certain episodes after they discuss them, but they never really assess the details. They let the writers create their own take and don't really match it up with other episodes. It's more about making the Hero and the Villian as opposed to the process, which has gone on longer than expected.

They also have a tendency to choose random writers that no nothing of the mythology.

They also don't truly work on the balance of the romance that the characters are involved in. Rather, it's lets make sure Lana and Clark are our focus despite the situation of their character's interaction.

Crazy ideas essentially.

[Summers]

They have the writers's featurette for the Season four dvd for SV. I'm just curious how they explain themselves. If they can :lol:.

I really loved the special features on the Buffyverse because we had the featurettes that solely concentrated on the story, and the others the documentaries.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I'm going to be interested to see that as well.

If their commentaries are any idea, I've got a feeling we're in for a treat.

Once again, FOX knew their audience (whereas I think the WB still needs to learn their audience - CONSTANTINE was a start in the right direction on some levels), the WB stumbles and makes minor featurettes that I've yet to watch since I bought the DVDs.

[Summers]

I watched their featurettes on SV, and they really dont organize really well. Like you know on the Buffy dvds we had the make-up, CGI, sets, and so forth sprend out on all the seasons. Sometimes a good ten to twenty minutes of talking about. SV's S3 had majority stuck into a thirty minute featurette.

Still the best one IMO was the Christopher Reeve one on S2. That was nice. I love how FOX does it. I havent seen Constantine yet.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Have to agree Reeve is still Superman in my mind. I have memories of playing with my Superman action figure and watching SUPERMAN 3 on TV as a kid.

CONSTANTINE is a mixed bag but it has Buffy and Angel sensibilites with God and Satan fighting it out. I've seen it about four times in theaters (sneak previews and friends dragging me back).

[Summers]

I think Reeve will always remain the benchmark of Superman and Clark Kent. I dont want to be bias on Brandon Routh. I think he looks great on his adaptation of the icon. I really liked it. Superman shouldnt be uber-buff lol.

I wanted to see it so much, but I used my money on The Grudge at the time lol. I saw reviews of Constantine that referenced Buffy and Angel.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I waited until DVD for The Grudge, I wasn't dissapointed but my family gave me the DVD back and hated it. I always wanted Sarah to jump into Buffy mode watching the movie, same with SCREAM 2. I loved THE GRUDGE since it was pretty much a direct adaptation of the original film (plus in my books).

It'll be out on DVD in a two disc set in July, either that or the one disc version. Two disc all the way for me. I'd like to see what they were thinking on it - I actually bought the entire collection of the books once the movie came out and found some of my favorite comic book writers helming them.

[Summers]

When I watched The Grudge in theatres. My friend said "You know she plays Karen great. I can see her as this character, but at the end I wanted her to go into Buffy mode so she wouldnt die." The Grudge was really good because the same Japanese director filmed it. Have you seen the extended version that is out? The deleted scenes are amazing. I wish Sony didnt want more money to get the PG-13 rating, but it got intense in some those scenes in the unrated version.

Hmm...I may not have the money at the time. I spending it on Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince and the Fanastic Four movie. Thank you for the info :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

No problem. The information just comes out of my mind with ease.

I'll have to pick it up whenever I see it. I'm looking forward to FANTASTIC FOUR as well. The kid in me wants to constantly imitate Johnny Storm - "Now, just imagine that everywhere."

I'm going after the novel Sunday, while I'm at the bookstore. I want to get a jumpstart on it.

[Summers]

I love Johnny Storm. Oh, he's my man. I was IM all the time saying "Flame On" to say hi to my friends. They would reply "Give it up Mel we're going to the movie" :lol:.

Now, I'm kinda getting confused lol. What novel is that? The "Queen of the Slayers" or another comic book related one.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I'll probably get both QUEEN OF SLAYERS and FANTASTIC FOUR written by Peter David at the same time.

[Summers]

The paperback is not normal size paperback. Its kinda wide in length. I havent started to read yet. I will Monday...I'm biting on the bit.

Now this FF one is this the based off the new movie, or is this something new?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Based off the movie and it just came out today.

I should have stopped at Wal-mart and got it on the way off from work, but I wouldn't start reading it until Saturday night probably.

Paperbacks are usually smaller unless you include the HARRY POTTER books, which a larger size, while the hardbacks are usually larger and made-up of more pages, but they all usually share the same content unless absolutely noted - Harry Potter rewrites for instance.

[Summers]

Ugh, I'm so out of the loopy these days lol.

Well, when I mean length the not the same size as the original paperback novels. Its bigger in size, but its still 200+ pages. Cant miss it just look for the big Buffy "B" logo lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Gotcha. Defintely won't miss it.

My fault - misread or misintrepreted.

I'm pretty sure we both know those formats. That's a duh on my part.

[Summers]

nah, I'm terrible at articulating things sometimes lol.

Its beautiful cover art with half of Buffy's face, and the classic "B" next to her.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think I downloading it but my computer is so full of images, it would take me about two hours to find.

Fans will defintely know it when they see it.

[Summers]

I thought I saved I lot of images. I have three albums online that is full of Buffy :lol:.

I only use photobucket to post pictures here, so its easy to find since my other album is on yahoo. So here is the Slayer cover art:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/8779855.jpg
And the new Spike novel I said eariler today
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/8737885.jpg

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Thanks (looks back up at the previous remarks and slaps his head due to typos).

I can't wait for that Spike novel. My favorite Buffy/Angel character.

I use to act like him with the worst British accent and my friends would tell me to stop. Since I found DOCTOR WHO I found myself doing the British thing more and more often trying to define my own take on the accent.

I just loved making a fool of myself acting like Spike. I used to know just about every line from his appearence on ANGEL and the first few episodes of BUFFY he did.

[Summers]

omg, I didnt act like him but I would say BLOODY HELL constantly. And Ron Weasley on Harry Potter would just reinforce the Bloody Hell's lol.

I'm still amazed JM is American from Modesto, CA :eek:, and only 42 years old. He's amazing versatile.

Heck, every Thanksgiving either me or one of my siblings have to say "I came, I conquered, I felt really bad about it." In the same exact same tone Spike said it in "Pangs".

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

You're closer to the action then I am.

The nearest I've come to Hollywood is when they made DEMOLITION MAN and THE INSIDER here. There was another film shot in the area as with Kirsten Dunst, Orlando Bloom and Jessica Biel - E-TOWN I think or something like that. It's a town about 30 miles out from where I'm at.

And the Ky Derby, which I could careless about.

[Summers]

Yea, I'm a little bit closer. We had many filmed in Southern California. In fact, less than a hour hour+ drive from my house Buffy's series finale "Chosen" was filmed in Lancaster, CA. Where they are looking at the crater.

My mom and I call it the "Chosen" road lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

LOL That's gotta be great.

At least your in the warm climes, I about freeze in Louisville. I was an ice cube through Jan and Feb and I had four layers on.

I've never been on a film shoot except for my own stuff, which I treat like play for my friends and family. I think I'm finally gaining the backbone to be an actor, but I'm too much of a writer to get that involved. As a writer, I pretty much write for myself and if anyone else likes it, it just brings a smile to my face.

[Summers]

I got a real kick out that trivia :D.

I think El Nino came back with vengence. We didnt have snow, but it there was freezes and landslides.

We'll your Joss Whedon in that sense. Your writer skill is where your feel at home. Many screenwriters and creators started where you are starting :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Teaching has always been my fall back plan or at least something to get me started until I can write full time.

I love teaching. It's fun to teach different things and figuring out how certain students need to be taught to intrepret things in different ways. I'm probably going to be the only high school teacher sliding in pop culture references to keep the classes interesting that I know of in my area.

I might end up as a professor really depends. I want the interaction aspect of class instead of the forced teaching that schools so highly want.

I'm glad your enjoying the trivia. I think you'll like the Alicia story once I get it going - more than likely Sunday night unless I'm not here. I have a total respect for the characters, I just kind of find a way to make them stronger. The catch of course is Lois/Lana is the first narrative I've ever written that has been with a female lead character. Alicia will be my second.

[Summers]

I love teaching. The moment you finally can connect the lesson the studen you can just tell. Its something about it. I just love history, so its kinda like storytelling for me in a sense but not lol.

Okay, once the quarter is up I'll go look them up :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

If you want I'll send them your way. Entirely up to you.

[Summers]

Sure. I dont want to forget. Sometimes I'm worry about the dailyness of life I forget the online part of it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

No big deal, I've got you covered either way.

You're hard to forget after our multi-thread conversation and besides that you've got the Summers name, so I can't forget.

And let us not forget....

Mel the Vampire Slayer.

Cue up the credits.

[Summers]

:lol: I'm easy to pegged and find lol.

Thank you. I would appreciate it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Stopping now.

[greenshady]

LexLuthorMetropolis is a writer too! I like to think of myself as a writer. My plan B is to be a high school teacher. That's what failed writers usually become. English professors (no offense to any writers making their way teaching, I've just heard that said too many times). Maybe I need a new plan B. I might go crazy with all the little crumb snatchers running around.

I was just popping in to see what everyone's been talking about. I see we have some upcoming novels. I suppose I need to start up on my summer reading list.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

You honestly never fail as along as you have an audience. Doesn't matter as long as someone is reading the material.

If success is made in money, well then, I've lost, but gained something much more from the experience of taking the journey. That's the way I've always looked at it.

Trust me on this, I found out the hard way. The writing is the key. It should be for your own pleasure before anyone else's. If your not enjoying yourself something is wrong (and I'm not saying that you are).

Good to meet you by the way. Have a tendency to speak my mind on certain things as you've already seen through myself and Summers' discussion.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Updates .

More Angel Comics?

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/ne...hp&id=22516

X Men 3: Is Joss the Boss?

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/ne...hp&id=22505

Vote for Michelle!

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/ne...hp&id=22499

Joss Whedon will be at the Screenwriting Expo 4

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/ne...hp&id=22509

Nice Michelle Scan!

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/ne...hp&id=22474

New agency for Sarah

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/ne...hp&id=22497

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Sweet. I read something about Zack Snyder taking over X3 then it Moore...can't recall what he was doing. I don't think Joss will be doing it with WONDER WOMAN on his schedule.

[Summers]

Yea, Joss is writing the WW script. AICN had their buzz lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Only time will tell on X3.

[Summers]

I'm pleased we'll have Hank in it :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Kesley Grammer as Beast. Never thought I would see the day, but that's who they have cast.

[richboy_lex]

As Beast? Well the educated look works with Kelsey for Beast.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I kind of prefered the guy that Bryan Singer had in the role. He looked the part as a human.

[richboy_lex]

Are they bringing Gambit and Jubelee in this film? I miss them, I think Gambit is so tight. I wonder who they would be.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Gambit, Archangel, and Beast are known for a fact.

Jubilee will more than likely just appear, but they have confirmed nothing of the character.

[greenshady]

I think Jubilee was in both films, but her parts were cut out. In X-Men (1) she is jn a class that Xavier is teaching. I'd love to see Gambit. But, we already have that loner character in Wolverine. I don't really see it happening. Unless, they've cast him already and I don't know what I'm talking about. How'd this discussion get on X3 anyways.

I can't really follow what's going on at the moment. It's 5:14 in the morning, and I've had a good, long night of partying. I don't even know if I'm making sense. I believe that sentence made sense.

Anyways, I want to encourage the rest of you to watch Firefly, because....well....because it's great! I feel it had way more potential than Buffy or Angel ever did in their first seasons. Okay. Wow. I just bought Scrubs on DVD yesterday, I think I might watch an episode.

I think I should at least say something about Angel since this is the Angel thread. Okay, here goes. ANGEL RULES!!! Oh, and get the soundtrack if you haven't already. It's AWESOME!

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Will defintely do when I have the cash.

Looking forward to SERENITY - Firefly continuing on a Big Screen Budget. I missed it in its initital run and ironically caught the Pilot as the last episode when Fox aired it. I fell in love with it and had to wait until DVD to get the box set, which I've watched too many times to count.

Any news on Joss and WONDER WOMAN?

[Summers]

yea, Jubilee has been featured in both X-Men films.

I want to get Firefly before Serenity comes out in September. Hopefully I will. I hear nothing but praise about it :).

Nope. He's still working on the script which he said has a lot of orign story to it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Then we've got a wait ahead of us. Oh well, small price to pay.

[umm]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Will defintely do when I have the cash.

Looking forward to SERENITY - Firefly continuing on a Big Screen Budget. I missed it in its initital run and ironically caught the Pilot as the last episode when Fox aired it. I fell in love with it and had to wait until DVD to get the box set, which I've watched too many times to count.

Any news on Joss and WONDER WOMAN?

There is a rumor that they want the actress who played Chloe on ´Days of our Lives´, the one who wanted to be an opera singer, and is one in real life, to play Wonder Woman!
She is 5'8 feet tall, so she has the height, and she is quite a good actress, so all in all, a nice choice!

[Summers]

They are looking, but Joss said in many interviews that the will cast the actress to play WW after the script is totally complete because he's not going off looks but also to see if the actress can act and hold her own. Plus there will be no Buffyverse actresses helming the title role.

The casting part everything is rumors lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Sounds interesting. Joss and the WB should be releasing offical news on who it is before long.

[snaps]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Gambit, Archangel, and Beast are known for a fact.

Jubilee will more than likely just appear, but they have confirmed nothing of the character.



did you guys know that vinnie jones is also going to appear as the juganout(sp)

and the story line is the dark phenoix

and that strom and cyclops may not reappear

[Summers]

Storm may not, but James Marsden said he will be in X3 to the fact he would do it for free.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

From what I've read, Berry is attached since her character has been brought into perspective.

The Phoniex is touched on, but I don't think from all the sources I've read its another storyline.

They're just replacing the director, again, whatever the script is its locked in place by FOX.

[Summers]

Yea, I havent see any Phoenix storyline touched. From what I see its what people want to see. Basically its like Artifical Intelligence basically.

No matter who the director is I'm still seeing it lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I will as well.

I'm ready to see Gambit put his moves to use on screen.

[Summers]

I've been waiting for him since I saw the name on Stryker's PC :D.

I cant wait to read Joss's arc on Astonishing X-Men as well. Was that an obivious subject change on-topic lol.

Every had a concidence happen. Slaryerverse has all 12 covers of Joss's arc on the comic:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=22638&PHPSESSID=53281003266185e4b2cf919243f6fa1d

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

LOL

[Summers]

The Crow Wicked Prayer Review!
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=22635

It's a bloody puppet
some nice shots of Puppet Angel and The Crew.
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=22632

Will Katie Holmes become the new Wonder Woman?
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=22626

[richboy_lex]

I think Katie Holmes is a nice pick for Wonder Woman, she is very attractive and she already is in Batman Begins.

[Summers]

Yea, but Wonder Woman is a well. To me Katie doesnt have that adult woman feel. Maybe she can play Diana as a teen, or young adult. I dont know. I'm still kinda apprenhensive of her being in BB.

I dont hate it. I dont know I'm always apprehensive over my comic books or books when they come to alive on screen.

[richboy_lex]

Well I know, I agree with you. She still looks young and like a kid and such. Other than that she has a great body and she could pull it off, but yes she does look like some little girl just off the market.

[snaps]

total film issue 102 june 05

JEAN GREY RETURNS AS X-MEN PLOT IS UNVEILED
"The table is set to follow the dark phoenix story" confirms x3 writer Simon Kinberg when rough cut quizzes hinm about the comic book story line,which sees Jean Grey return from the dead , "But we're also following some other plot threads and ideas from comics"
And those threads involve some exciting new characters for the newly signed Layer Cake director Matthew Vaughn to play with ......athletic mutant the Beast appears as his altered guise , winged hero Angel joins up and cajun risk-taker Gambit also looks set for a role . Still, the future of Superman Returns star James Marsden,aka Cyclops, and Halle Berry's Strom have been under serious scrutiny. Of course , the fans all have their opinions, a fact that Kinberg's taking in his stride." There's so much more mythology and so many mor characters than i will ever be able to cram into any one screenplay," smiles the writer. "Google 'x-men'and there are , like , 11 million sites! I'm not entering into a universie which is mine and completely safe. I couldn't just do whatever i wanted without an army of 14 year old boys in middle america coming to my door and attacking me!

also reported on the imdb......

Variety confirms it:

"Twentieth Century Fox and Marvel Entertainment have bolstered the mutant roster for "X-Men 3" with Kelsey Grammer, who is set to play Beast, the oversized blue-furred creature who has not yet appeared in an "X-Men" film.
The Matthew Vaughn-directed sequel is skedded to bow Memorial Day weekend next year.

Studio is setting Vinnie Jones for the bad-guy role of Juggernaut. Jones is the former British soccer player who has been seen in "Snatch"" and "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels." Juggernaut, a 6-foot-10, 900-pound metal-clad battering ram, is the half-brother of Professor X and will anchor Magneto's villainous band.

Fox has begun negotiations with "Lost's" Maggie Grace to play the role of Kitty Pryde, a beauty who can walk through walls. Studio is also searching for an actor to play Angel, a handsome winged mutant who is ashamed of his feathery appendages.

While Grammer might seem a surprise to play a 355-pound blue-colored brute, producer Avi Arad said, "Kelsey was born to play the role," explaining that Beast is the most intelligent of the mutants, a pacifist Ph.D. and genetic researcher named Hank McCoy.

"This is a big role in the new movie, and when we met with him, you can see that Kelsey has that you'd-better-have-a-dictionary-handy intelligence," said Arad, who's producing with Lauren Shuler Donner and Ralph Winte

[DesVMars]

can't wait for x3 it should be great, I wish Angel was still around, I really miss that show, big loss to the fans

[Hartski]

How cool would it be to cast David Boreanaz as the mutant "Angel" in X3?

I submit that it would be very cool, indeed.

[DesVMars]

that would be great, I miss seeing David on Angel, good actor, I hope we see him in some cool roles in the future, there is still some talk of a spike or faith miniseries.

[umm]

Originally posted by richboy_lex
Well I know, I agree with you. She still looks young and like a kid and such. Other than that she has a great body and she could pull it off, but yes she does look like some little girl just off the market.

Some time ago, there was a discussion about Kristin Kreuk playing the Wonder Woman and could she pull it off! I said NO! And as far far as Katie Holmes is concerned, a big fat´NO´ is my answer as well!
Other than the brunette hair, tall height, she has nothing else to show to make me think that she could do a good job acting as ´Wonder Woman´!
Frankly, I wouldn´t even trust her with ´Batman Returns´, or whatever it´s called, but sadly I am not sitting at the table together with TPTB! Had I been at that table, Katie Holmes wouldn´t have gotten a part to play in BB and she certanly wouldn´t have been considered for the role of ´Wonder Woman´!

[Hartski]

Well, I read that David is going to be in a new series this fall. I can't remember which one, though.

[DesVMars]

I remember some mention of that as well but I will have to check futon critic, maybe there will be some info. I think he did a movie that should be out soon, any idea on the name of the flick?

[Summers]

Originally posted by Hartski
Well, I read that David is going to be in a new series this fall. I can't remember which one, though.

Yes, its called "Bones" on the network that escapes me at the moment. I think its ABC I believe.

David is directing the movie 'Charity" which is the last thing I heard besides his Crow movie coming out on dvd.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I actually thought Bones, was a movie.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
I actually thought Bones, was a movie.

Bones was movie like a couple of years ago. David's Bones is a tv show.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

BONES was a horror flick (very CROW-like) starring Snoop Dog as the title character. Not even related to David or anyone on the Buffy or Angel front.

Katie Holmes as Wonder Woman. Purely rumor. Just give it a few months and I gurantee you, you will see the real actress.

[DesVMars]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
BONES was a horror flick (very CROW-like) starring Snoop Dog as the title character. Not even related to David or anyone on the Buffy or Angel front.

Katie Holmes as Wonder Woman. Purely rumor. Just give it a few months and I gurantee you, you will see the real actress. I agree that we will see someone better suited for wonderwoman, KH is about as good as Tara Reid. lol

[Summers]

I have feeling this rumor came about because she is supposely "in love" with Tom Cruise.

Someone had to say it :lol:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Dating according to some dating program on VH1.

[greenshady]

It's nice to see David has a new series coming out. Will he be the lead or just a supporting actor?

Katie Holmes as Wonder Woman?:confused:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Read my little line above my avatar! That's what we should be thinking!
Truthfully, I can see a new up-and-coming actress for Wonder Woman.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Charisma would be great, but I think Joss is going to shoot for either or an unknown or very possibly someone we Buffy and Angel fans know. Shooting more for the first one, though. Joss has a knack for being left field in the industry.

[DesVMars]

Charisma would be a good choice, But Joss could choose his favorite girl, SMG, I read this on the BuffyNu site, anyone but that little ***** Katie holmes.

[Summers]

Uh, a while back when he got the job. He said there will be no Buffyverse actresses helming Wonder Woman. He means it, and he is leaning to fairly unknowns right now after he finishes the script.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yes, we'll have the next Lynda Carter then.

[Summers]

I hope she does a cameo :D.

[DesVMars]

these type of Films work best with an unknown, so Joss needs to choose well. but I really don't care much for WonderWoman anyway, but Joss should do a good job.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

With Whedon it wouldn't surprise me and Warner Bros. is going to try and shove it down his throat, whether he likes it or not. Either that or DC's offices will.

[Summers]

I agreed. He thought the Fox and the WB network was tough :(. Than again Singer won out with Brandon Routh. I know a lot people criticized his choice, but personally I love it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Routh didn't strike me as Superman at first, but when I saw the Clark Kent footage with the people talking to Singer I gained some hope for this movie and the thing that gets me is Routh has the build for the character.

[DesVMars]

we shall see if this will be a hit or miss, I,ll bet it will bomb badly.

[Summers]

Superman Returns? I dont think, so because we havent had Superman movie in ages. Plus IMO you dont want a bulky Superman. He needs to portray reporter Clark Kent as well. He looks fine to me, and I love the modernize suit.

Plus I trust Singer just as much as I trust Whedon.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I trust Whedon more than Singer.

I DO NOT trust Brett Ratner on X3.

[DesVMars]

I think they should have waited for Smallvile to end and grab Tom Welling for the part of Superman, I mean what are they thinking, who would be a better choice, why rush a movie, Smallville may last to a S6, and then Tom would be free to take the Part.

[Summers]

I'm getting apprehensive on X3 and Spidey 3 :(.


Originally posted by DesVMars
I think they should have waited for Smallvile to end and grab Tom Welling for the part of Superman, I mean what are they thinking, who would be a better choice, why rush a movie, Smallville may last to a S6, and then Tom would be free to take the Part.

Cause of several reasons:
1. Tom did not want it.
2. The WB/DC studio dont want a Smallville movie
3. Smallville alienated to many hardcore Superman fans
4. Not definite to draw a big crowd at the box office

Its Superman not Smallville ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

X3 stood a chance with Vaugh at least, but as luck would have it he had to pull out. The risk in this case of course is the risk of having another director take the material in a different way, such as HARRY POTTER (Mel, we might as well consider this an ongoing discussion through all the threads we're on).

The new Director will take the look in his own direction (could be bad in this case) - I keep getting images of RUSH HOUR in my mind, but Ratner has done RED DRAGON which was beautifully shot.

There is also a cost of losing some crucial character or plot details (just like in the POTTER discussion).