College Basketball

[M.D.]

Miami just notched its first ACC Victory against NC State, 67-66.

Congrats to the Canes!

[Hartski]

Iowa choked in their first two Big Ten games.
Not a good start to conference play.

[truemeathead]

Maryland got chumped by Wake yesterday that Gray kid is good.

Snooch to the Nooch

[M.D.]

UNC also spanked Georgia Tech too. The ACC seems a little top heavy..

Congrats to the Canes for their second ACC victory, with a nice win against UVA! Better watch out Duke, your next! and after that, Miami is going to do to UNC's B-ball team what UNC's football team did to Miami..

:p

A guy can dream, can't he?

[Sharkie]

Auburn's not doing so hot. 0-2 in conference play. At least we have football.

[M.D.]

Looking at the breakdown in Miami's two conference wins, they shot a .471 in FGs, while in their loss to GT, shot a .37 in FG's.. The lesson being, if Miami could make more or their shots, they could have beaten GT. Now to keep the streak going against FSU

[TATEone]

Originally posted by M.D.
UNC also spanked Georgia Tech too. The ACC seems a little top heavy..

Congrats to the Canes for their second ACC victory, with a nice win against UVA! Better watch out Duke, your next! and after that, Miami is going to do to UNC's B-ball team what UNC's football team did to Miami..

:p

A guy can dream, can't he?

The Heels are gonna spank Miami...I guess you would have to be dreaming for Miami to win.....Go ahead and take out Duke though, I don't mind if they do that.:D

[LilWonderWoman]

:lol: my school kinda sucks but hey... GO RED STORM!!!

[TVHOG]

Go Heels! This could be the year they have finally got it together. I knew Roy could do it, but UNC vs Duke is always interesting. As long as they dont get over confident they can win the rest of their regular season games this year. We'll see.

[TATEone]

Originally posted by TVHOG
Go Heels! This could be the year they have finally got it together. I knew Roy could do it, but UNC vs Duke is always interesting. As long as they dont get over confident they can win the rest of their regular season games this year. We'll see.

You might be my new best friend :D

[M.D.]

FSU-Miami at Halftime: 32-31. FSU has led the game most of the half, but Miami might be ready to surge ahead. Miami has been shaky from 3-pt land, only 2/11 and the 37% FGs is not good enough to win... We'll see how the next half goes..

[Unbreakable Lex]

I remember when FSU rocked in B-Ball, Sura was the man along with Cassell.

The ACC is rediculous this season. Maryland has been spanked but can still make the sweet 16.

Its too bad Illinois will have the better record this season.

As long as Duke doesn't win, Ill be happy.

[M.D.]

FSU-Miami Final : 63-64, Miami edging out FSU. Nice game, but Miami still needs to work on the FG%. Dont look now, but Miami has gone from finishing last in the Big East, to being 4th in the ACC...

If they can finish in the middle of the conference, it will be a huge improvement for Miami's program over last year.

[TATEone]

Damn Wake beat us today. We just could never get back in it once McCants got in foul trouble. :( sad day.

[Sharkie]

:eek: Auburn lost to old miss, giving us a tie with Georgia for dead last in the SEC. We've become the Vandy and Kentucky of SEC Basketball :(

[TVHOG]

Carolina lost, but dont worry. The heels will be OK. Wake played a great game and Chris Paul is amazing, but they will lose again soon. I think its going to come down between UNC, Wake, and Duke, again.

[M.D.]

Well, Im praying for a Miami upset of Duke at home in front of a sell-out crowd.

[TVHOG]

Ill pray with you on that one. Go Canes (against Duke anyway)!

[Sharkie]

Wow, Kentucky was almost upset by Ole Miss, currently ranked #5 in the SEC West.

[M.D.]

Duke beat Miami 92-83. Well played by Miami, but Duke is definitely a great team this year. At least no blow-out.. Miami had a 45% FG, but is hard to beat a team that shot 61%. Great game for both teams.

[TVHOG]

I believe Miami is a better team than some people expected. Duke will always be a good team as long as Coach K is around which will probably be forever. I cant wait untill the UNC vs Duke game. Its gonna be a thriller as always.

[TATEone]

Yeah Duke / Carolina is always a great game no matter what the records are. I was a little worried last night watching the Heels against Clemson last night during that first half. We played really sloppy. Anyways they picked up the D in the second half and pulled ahead for the win. I hope we are ready for you M.D. (Miami) this Saturday!!!

[TVHOG]

I have no doubt that Carolina can beat Miami, but if they play they way they did against Clemson, it wont be pretty. They have to stop those turnovers.

[Hartski]

Iowa came sooooooo close to beating Illinois last night.

Stupid turnovers.

[TVHOG]

Yeah, i was hoping they would pull it off, but Illinois is a pretty good team the year, huh? They beat Wake Forest like a drum.

[M.D.]

Hey, who else beat Wake Forest? Florida State. And who beat Florida State? thats right! Miami! and who has Wake Forest beaten? UNC!!, so then, Miami should beat UNC! :lol:

[M.D.]

Well, Miami has played in the first half, their worst game of the year versus UNC... shooting only 31% FG and committing 13 personal fouls. Obviously, Miami has some adjustments to make.

Well, Miami: still playing aweful... At least this is against UNC, a premier team... but still, we are looking like FSU against Duke!

[Sharkie]

Georgia Tech lost to VT. Not looking good for the Jackets. They need to pick themselves up or risk not making it to the sweet sixteen, let alone take another run for a title.

[TATEone]

Originally posted by M.D.
At least this is against UNC, a premier team

You took the words right out of my mouth :D

Yeah it's to bad it wasnt a more exciting game for both teams, but atleast the Heels look like they are getting back on track. Maybe next time M.D. ;)

[TVHOG]

Miami is a good team and has lots of potential. They actually frustrated UNC at times in the first half. They ran with them pretty good too. I dont think the Heels played as good as they should have, but that takes nothing away from the Canes.

[norris]

hey hey, dont be bashing FSU, MD. you do know afterall we did beat WF :D

but alas, we aren't that great of a bball team...

we would be if charlie ward came back though... *goes to convince charlie ward to come back and play*

[Hartski]

Wow, Villinova put a hurtin' on Kansas.

[TVHOG]

No, not Charlie Ward. Go get Sam Cassell. Duck tape his mouth shut and give him the ball.

[Sharkie]

Auburn is continueing their losing SEC ways, losing by 5 to Bama. They are the only SEC without a single conference win, and look to have only one chance to gain a win, against Georgia. Sigh, is it football season yet?

[TVHOG]

Duke lost to Maryland!!! Oh yeah!! Oh Yeah!!

[TATEone]

Originally posted by TVHOG
Duke lost to Maryland!!! Oh yeah!! Oh Yeah!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[M.D.]

*thanks Maryland for breaking Duke's win streak.. Maybe the rest of us have a chance now...*

Now that Miami has broken their little losing streak, better watchout Wake.. We're coming for you.

[Unbreakable Lex]

As a fellow terp I just want to thank you all for your support!!

Duke basketball's deal with the devil will end one day!!

[TVHOG]

Looks like Wake Forest lost to Georgia Tech. Gonna be a showdown for the top seed in the ACC tournament.

[TATEone]

Carolina KILLED Virginia today! :D :D :D

[the_daily_planeteer]

Originally posted by Sharkie
:eek: Auburn lost to old miss, giving us a tie with Georgia for dead last in the SEC. We've become the Vandy and Kentucky of SEC Basketball :(

Football draws more money..... I wish my Gators would become a football school again

[M.D.]

Yesterday, Miami had a disappointing loss to Wake Forest.. They led for most of the 1st half, but in the 2nd half, Wake surged ahead with a 16-4 run that put the game ahead... a great game for Miami, but an even better one for wake.. Gaoh! Well, with VT and Maryland coming up, this was good prep, as now we can see who is the best of the middle of the pack in the ACC.

[TVHOG]

I hope Carolina plays like they did against Virginia the rest of the year. They were awesome! I cant believe McCants only had 5 points (foul trouble).

[Sharkie]

AUBURN WON AN SEC GAME! WOOOOHOOO! I'm so happy!! HUG ME!

[the_daily_planeteer]

Even sun shines on a dogs rear-end every once in a while... but, congrats... a few more of those and it could be the NIT

[TVHOG]

Wake beat Duke! Im so happy. Carolina is in first place in the ACC. I hope they lay a whoopin on State tonight.

[TATEone]

We really layed a whooping on State last night. :D
Next is Florida State, THEN DUKE on Wednesday. I hope we just slaughter Duke and knock them farther down.

[TVHOG]

The Duke game will be tough. If the Heels beat them (twice), theres no reason for them not to win the rest of their games. Im just hoping for an ACC championship and a top seed in the big dance. Is that too much to ask for?

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by TVHOG
The Duke game will be tough. If the Heels beat them (twice), theres no reason for them not to win the rest of their games. Im just hoping for an ACC championship and a top seed in the big dance. Is that too much to ask for?

Just thank the terps, we may not be that great this year but we still got the dukies number!!!

[TVHOG]

The terps are down this year, but I fully expect them to be better next year. Gary Williams is a good coach and they will probably still finish mid-pack.

[TATEone]

UNC and DUKE tonight!!! Go Heels!

[TVHOG]

Any predictions Tateone? How about UNC 85 - Duke 78. Go Heels!

[TATEone]

TVHOG I wish your prediction was right. I was speachless after the game. I atleast wish we would have gotten a shot off for a chance, but to lose that way is just sad. Its games like this and the Wake one that scare me because I think we get to jittery when its of this magnitude.
So depressed today :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[TVHOG]

Yeah, me too. I still cannot figure out what Felton was thinking. Why didnt he drive to the basket!! And McCants was terrible. If it wasnt for May and Marvin Williams the Heels would have been blown out. Oh well. On to face Uconn. What can you do?

[TATEone]

I wish Felton would have just driven the lane and put up a shot. I know the whole play was to get it to McCants, but you got to figure they knew that too. Atleast we get a rematch unlike Wake.

[M.D.]

yeah, I feel bad for you guys too. I really thought you would beat Duke.

[Sharkie]

AUBURN WINS FIRST SEC ROAD GAME!

Auburn netted a win against South Carolina, #3 in the SEC East, after a heartbreaker to LSU. The win gives Auburn the chance to finish strong in the season, with only the game against Kentucky out of concivable reach.

[TATEone]

We actually got by Connecticut, which at first looked like we were still hungover from the Duke game. The Terps beat Duke!! That made me happier. Now we got Virginia tomorrow. I just hope we can get up some good steam for the rematch with Duke on March 6th.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Terps are officially changing their name to the Devil killa's

[TATEone]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Terps are officially changing their name to the Devil killa's
I have recently became a temporary Terps fan.

Kentucky went down last night, and Kansas the night before! Looks like the Heels might be back up to #2 in the standings again.:D :D :D

[TVHOG]

As long a the heels are a #1 seed in the big dance, I dont care where they are ranked. Boy, I would like to see them when the ACC tourney, though. As for the Terps. Im with you on being a temporary fan. Anyone who beats Duke is a friend of mine.

[TVHOG]

Looks like the Heels hammered Virginia. Yeah!

[TATEone]

Gotta love the retro uni's last night!!!
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/20/200523.jpg


Originally posted by TVHOG
As long a the heels are a #1 seed in the big dance, I dont care where they are ranked.
Yeah I agree with you on that one, plus looking at Illinois schedule they probably won't loss for the rest of the year, so the best the Heels will get is #2 in the country, which would definetly be a #1 seed. :D

[TVHOG]

Hey Tateone. Gotta caption for your picture:

Roy Williams: Rashaad, look at me when Im talking to you!
this how I want you to dance after we when, got it?

McCants: (No response)

Shoot, i cant spell today.

[TATEone]

:D
-yeah it does look like he is doing that!
:D
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[M.D.]

I havent been paying attention, so I missed Miami barely losing to Wake on Tuesday. Gah! sooo close to beating Wake.

[TATEone]

I wish they would have beat Wake.

DUKE LOST TONIGHT TO V tech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D

[TVHOG]

I cant believe it. Duke beat V Tech the first time 100 - 65. Looks like Tech is getting better, or Duke is getting worse. Maybe that game with the Heels really took it out of them?

[M.D.]

Im blaming Miami's aweful loss to VT on UM's coach Frank Haith's emergency appendectomy.

[smallvillerocks45]

U of A....All the way! LoL Aren't there any pac-10 fans out there?!?! :p

[Zungas]

Does anyone truly feel confident with Illinois and UNC making the final four?

[TVHOG]

No, you never feel confident. Thats what makes it interesting. Not even the UNLV team of the early nineties (91 I think) could make it to the final four and they were 33-0 until that loss.

[TVHOG]

Carolina plays at State tonight. I hope the Heels take them apart.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Final Four?

Hmmm

That is a tough one.

Kinda have to go with Duke as one, I know I know... But they do have that intimidation factor.

As for Zona, WF, NC and Illinios, I just don't see it.

Im not sure if the ACC is that GREAT this year or what. Watch out for the big east too.

[TVHOG]

The ACC is not as good as usual this year. Youve got Carolina, Duke, and Wake. Miami, State, and Maryland are mediocre and have the ability to scare some top teams, but Florida State, Virginia, V-Tech, and Clemson are not that good. Its funny. All the experts were saying the ACC was loaded this year, but it hasnt turned out that way. I can only see 3 or 4 teams in the NCAA tourney this time.

[Hartski]

How about those Iowa State Cyclones?

[TVHOG]

Wow! Carolina barely got by Maryland.

[TATEone]

Yeah even though I would have preferred a blow out, it was kinda nice to see a close game the other day. Flordia State Thursday, then the rematch this Sunday vs. Duke. I hope McCants will be back for this one.

[M.D.]

Miami barely lost to GT Saturday. Miami led most of the game, but couldn't hold on. So now they have to beat Duke on March 3 to get back to .500 in the ACC.
*crosses fingers*

[TATEone]

Originally posted by M.D.
Miami barely lost to GT Saturday. Miami led most of the game, but couldn't hold on. So now they have to beat Duke on March 3 to get back to .500 in the ACC.
*crosses fingers*


*crossing fingers* :D

[GoatSecks]

Dooks biggest Cheerleader...

http://www.beatduke.com/images/DukieVsmall.jpg

[TVHOG]

LOL!! I'll agree with that, but I actually dont mind Dickie V too bad. Its Billy Packer that I cant stand.

[M.D.]

:rotfl: Thats hilarious

[TATEone]

Originally posted by TVHOG
LOL!! I'll agree with that, but I actually dont mind Dickie V too bad. Its Billy Packer that I cant stand.

I really hate Billy Packer. Man I can not stand hearing him talk. Sometime Dickie V gets on my nerves cause he is a quick bandwagon jumper.

[TVHOG]

If Carolina was beating somebody like Illinois by 50 points with a minute to go, Billy Packer would still have something bad to say about the Heels. He sucks!

[M.D.]

Looks like Miami has to advance 2 rounds in the ACC tournament for a chance to get into the NCAA tourny.

And congrats on beating Duke!!

[smallvillerocks45]

WooHoo! The Cats are Pac-10 outright champs!

~~Let's see how they perform on Thursday...my fingers are crossed...~~

Who do you all think will be playing in the final round of the Pac-10 tournament? I think it will be Arizona and Stanford. (with the Cats winning LoL :D)

[Unbreakable Lex]

Well, when MD wins the ACC tourney this weekend we should get another number 4 seed.

Plus the tourney is right down the block from my work so I'm an excited fan!

[TVHOG]

Hey UL, dont you have any spoilers on the ACC tournament? (besides Maryland winning it). Btw, if you pick the winners and scores of each game correctly, Ill really think you are the man.

[M.D.]

Im glad UL thinks I can win the ACC tourny, but I would rather Miami did.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by M.D.
Im glad UL thinks I can win the ACC tourny, but I would rather Miami did.

Hardy har har...

Its on now!

Two blocks down f street from me

:D

[Unbreakable Lex]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Stupid turtles, what kind a mascot is that anyways.

Probably won't even make the NIT!!!!

12 years people!

I AM SO PISSED. Do you realize maryland Basketball is all this damn town has!

[M.D.]

ouch. Miami lost to UVA. well, maybe next year...

Sorry about Maryland.

Now all I gots is UAB.

[Sharkie]

YAY! Auburn beat Vandy! Now it's time for LSU, who we've done well against this year. YAY! We could actually make it into the SEC Semis!

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Stupid turtles, what kind a mascot is that anyways.

Probably won't even make the NIT!!!!

12 years people!

I AM SO PISSED. Do you realize maryland Basketball is all this damn town has!

What you forgot about the "Deadskins" and the "Zards" oh wait what about the "Caps"? Seriously...Sorry UL...here's hoping the Nats entertain us.

[TVHOG]

Im really getting a bit upset myself. The Heels are losing to Clemson. If they dont get there butts in gear its all over.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Spanky
What you forgot about the "Deadskins" and the "Zards" oh wait what about the "Caps"? Seriously...Sorry UL...here's hoping the Nats entertain us.

My point exactly.

DC is a Skin's town but lets be realistic. The town has no optimizim left about the skins. None.

At least the Wizards might make the playoffs, thats cool.

[TATEone]

AHHH MAN The HEELS pulled it off. Damn that was a gut wrenching game to watch that really should not have been.

[TVHOG]

Yeah, clemson played there butts off. Looks like Felton was the man in this game.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
My point exactly.

DC is a Skin's town but lets be realistic. The town has no optimizim left about the skins. None.

At least the Wizards might make the playoffs, thats cool.

Best way to destroy a classy organization....sell your team to Dan Snyder. Second best way, allow him to be a GM and then later hire a complete moron like the one they have now.

[alphaomega618]

I'm still in shock over Illinois' lost. I'm still betting they take it all the way regardless of what some critics say. For NBA it will be the Suns.

[Sharkie]

Ga Tech beat UNC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TVHOG]

Yeah, that sucks. Thats what happens when you let somebody score 35 points on you. Even worse Duke won the ACC championship. Man I hope the Heels make it to the Final Four this year.

[Sharkie]

It doesn't suck. It rules all! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

[TATEone]

Ahh I still can't believe the Heels lost to GA Tech. I hope we dont play from behind during the tournament cause I dont think we will even get a chance for the tie. McCants did have a good look but it should have never come to that. Anyways go Heels!

[TVHOG]

I think the heels got a pretty good chance to get to the final four, but it may come down to beating Roy's old team, Kansas. That could be interesting.

[Zungas]

Indeed. Georgia Tech is my sleeper pick in the final four.

[TVHOG]

Yeah, I agree. GT could really do some damage in the tourney if they shoot well.

[Sharkie]

Wow. The SEC went 1-2 today in the tourney. We don't do hoops. :p

[TATEone]

Wow what alot of upsets in the last two days. First 'Cuse, then Kansas, and just a couple minutes ago Gonzaga went down. Needless to say my bracket is sooooo messed up now.

[TATEone]

I hope Carolina can beat Nova Friday, they have been looking pretty damn good so I am a little worried.

[TVHOG]

Carolina has got the best chance to be in the championship its had in a while and I hope they dont blow it. Btw, I heard Villanova lost there big man because of a torn ACL. Thats bad news for Nova, but good for the heels.

[Zungas]

Nova wasn't supposed to beat Georgetown in '85. But I need the Tar Heels to save my bracket.

[Miketallica]

How 'bout those Illini? That game was absolutely amazing.

Go Illinois!

[TVHOG]

That game was amazing. You have to give them credit for coming back from 20 points down to win the game, but Arizona just flat blew it. Not only did they let them come back, but they had a great opportunity to win with 7 seconds left and the ball. Im not taking anything away from Illinois, but Arizona should have called a better play than that.

[DarkseidX]

My vote goes to Michigan. GO WOLVERINES!!!!!!!

[Sharkie]

They aren't in the final four.

[DarkseidX]

Yeah neither is Uconn. I'm mad. I wanted Duke to win too.

[axisoftime]

How about a 'Go Spatans' then?Michigan State has surprised everyone,and the double overtime win yesterday is being called 1 of the all time great tournament games.

[DarkseidX]

I agree. It was a great game.

[Miketallica]

Illinois was better :D But that's just because I go there.

But yeah, that Michigan State game was really good too. I forgot...is there 3 Big Ten teams in the final four now? I know 2 for sure, but I can't remember if the third team made it or not.

[TVHOG]

Final Four: Illinois, Louisville, Michigan State, and North Carolina. Its gonna be interesting.

[Zungas]

Hoping UNC will make myself and others a lot of money.

[Sharkie]

Congrats UNC, this years National Champions!

[Disco]

yeah... all that winning illinois did throughout the season and no victory to show for it.

[Backward Galaxy]

Illinois basically blew their entire season. What a waste.

Happy for UNC, though... and their coach.

[IVISupermanIVI]

It was not a waste. It was the best season in the schools history. I can't believe you just said that.
-Jon

[Sharkie]

There is no shame in losing in the finals of any tournament. Those kids worked hard and maybe they don't have a trophy, but to call their season a waste is just crazy.

[Knoxy]

Congrats to all of the UNC faithful! It's nice to see Roy Williams finally win the National Championship.

37 wins and appearing in the final game is definately not a waste. It only adds to benifit recruiting and scholarships.

[Miketallica]

So disappointed in Illinois' loss...this was OUR year.

But I guess I have to look at the positive side of things, I'll never forget this years basketball team for the rest of my life. Watching all these games was great times here at U of I. Our team did amazing, and I guess the good memories is all I can ask for.

Being out on the streets after the victories and after the final loss was an amazing sight to see.

Even though the Illini lost, it was still an amazing ride.

[Backward Galaxy]

It was not a waste. It was the best season in the schools history. I can't believe you just said that.
-Jon


There is no shame in losing in the finals of any tournament. Those kids worked hard and maybe they don't have a trophy, but to call their season a waste is just crazy.

Perhaps it comes from my being a young (21) New York Yankees fan and not being so used to losing as all the people from Illinois. As far as I'm concerned, second place is just the first loser. Illinois blew the perfect season by losing to a team they should have destroyed. Illinois then lost in the Finals. Maybe this is a really great thing that will give the program some national attention and get kids to want to go there.... I dunno. But where I come from, they're just the best losers.

Wow... easily the most offensive post I've ever written.

P.S. - Above was actually a shot at the Cubs fans... I realize y'all in Illinois had some pretty amazing years with the Bears, a historic run with the Bulls (Jordan owned my Knicks), and even the Blackhawks.

[IVISupermanIVI]

That post was completely out of context. Plus...Boston won last year...Yankees? No not so much. Easy.
-Jon

[Sharkie]

I'm not an Illinios fan by any stretch of the imagination. I'm a fan of sport and accomplishment. To me, it's not always about who wins or loses, it's fun and a love for the game. Sure losing feels like crap, for a day. Winning feels great, until the next game. It may be no secret to anyone what team I support in the college ranks. Auburn's Football team went 13-0 without a chance for the National Title. Now I will always say that team deserved a chance to play for the title, but that now is a mute point. Some say not getting a national championship ruined our season. I feel bad for those people. They forget that this was the best season in school history, ever. They forget it was our first conference title in 15 years. They forget it was the first time we ever won the SEC Title game. They forgot how fun of a ride it was. Sport is not just about winning games. It is about dedication, accoplishment, sacrifice, being humble in victory and being gracious in defeat. For some teams, all they ever win are emotional victories, ones the scoreboard can never measure. We should never say a season was a lost cause, especially one in which so much was amazing. As UNC celebrates their National Title, Illonios too can celebrate having the best season in school history, ever. And the rest of us should rethink why we watch the game. Is it for love, or is it to win? If it is the latter, I feel sorry for you.

[Miketallica]

Well said, Sharkie.

[Zungas]

I picked UNC to win 72-70 over Illinois at the beginning. First time I've gotten lucky.

[Backward Galaxy]

I'm not an Illinios fan by any stretch of the imagination. I'm a fan of sport and accomplishment. To me, it's not always about who wins or loses, it's fun and a love for the game. Sure losing feels like crap, for a day. Winning feels great, until the next game. It may be no secret to anyone what team I support in the college ranks. Auburn's Football team went 13-0 without a chance for the National Title. Now I will always say that team deserved a chance to play for the title, but that now is a mute point. Some say not getting a national championship ruined our season. I feel bad for those people. They forget that this was the best season in school history, ever. They forget it was our first conference title in 15 years. They forget it was the first time we ever won the SEC Title game. They forgot how fun of a ride it was. Sport is not just about winning games. It is about dedication, accoplishment, sacrifice, being humble in victory and being gracious in defeat. For some teams, all they ever win are emotional victories, ones the scoreboard can never measure. We should never say a season was a lost cause, especially one in which so much was amazing. As UNC celebrates their National Title, Illonios too can celebrate having the best season in school history, ever. And the rest of us should rethink why we watch the game. Is it for love, or is it to win? If it is the latter, I feel sorry for you.


Bob Knight put it best... Someone's got to lose, but it doesn't have to be me.

Yes, it is for the love of the game. But I don't love losing and neither does anyone else. If I played the game and someone from the future came back in time and told me that I'd never win, I would quit. It's about the love of the game. It's about competition. It's about striving to be the best. If you strive to be the best and then fail, despite your accomplishments, you have still failed.


That post was completely out of context. Plus...Boston won last year...Yankees? No not so much. Easy.
-Jon


I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say the out of context thing... but as far as the Yankees thing is concerned. Yes, the Yanks lost and they lost to Boston. They didn't win. In New York, that season is a failure. In New York, no one cheered them for losing in 7 games to the team that eventually won the World Series. No one in New York takes pride in the fact that Boston bested us. To every New York Yankee fan in existence, that season was a total and complete failure only compounded by the fact that Boston won.

And it was not out of context at all. It was giving you the basis for my opinion. As a Yankee fan, I have grown up with certain expectations. With 4 recent Championships, following the most successful professional sports franchise in North American history, there are certain expectations for our team. We expect to win. When we lose, we consider it a failure.

So, be proud of Illinois all you want. Be proud of what they accomplished and be proud that they got as far as they did. You think Pat Summit and her Tennessee team are thrilled at all they accomplished? No. That team is a total and complete failure. Why? Because their season means nothing without a National Championship. This is what I'm saying when I bring up the Yankees. For a team that is used to winning, and whose goal is a Championship at the beginning of each year, LOSING equates to failure. To me, the whole idea that Illinois should be satisfied with what they accomplished is sickening. They LOST. They were the number one team in the country and they LOST.

Feel sorry for me all you want. I feel sorry for them. They are the one's who have to go to bed at night knowing they lost.

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Bob Knight put it best... Someone's got to lose, but it doesn't have to be me.

Yes, it is for the love of the game. But I don't love losing and neither does anyone else. If I played the game and someone from the future came back in time and told me that I'd never win, I would quit. It's about the love of the game. It's about competition. It's about striving to be the best. If you strive to be the best and then fail, despite your accomplishments, you have still failed.



I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say the out of context thing... but as far as the Yankees thing is concerned. Yes, the Yanks lost and they lost to Boston. They didn't win. In New York, that season is a failure. In New York, no one cheered them for losing in 7 games to the team that eventually won the World Series. No one in New York takes pride in the fact that Boston bested us. To every New York Yankee fan in existence, that season was a total and complete failure only compounded by the fact that Boston won.

And it was not out of context at all. It was giving you the basis for my opinion. As a Yankee fan, I have grown up with certain expectations. With 4 recent Championships, following the most successful professional sports franchise in North American history, there are certain expectations for our team. We expect to win. When we lose, we consider it a failure.

So, be proud of Illinois all you want. Be proud of what they accomplished and be proud that they got as far as they did. You think Pat Summit and her Tennessee team are thrilled at all they accomplished? No. That team is a total and complete failure. Why? Because their season means nothing without a National Championship. This is what I'm saying when I bring up the Yankees. For a team that is used to winning, and whose goal is a Championship at the beginning of each year, LOSING equates to failure. To me, the whole idea that Illinois should be satisfied with what they accomplished is sickening. They LOST. They were the number one team in the country and they LOST.

Feel sorry for me all you want. I feel sorry for them. They are the one's who have to go to bed at night knowing they lost. I feel sorry for you. You don't know the true meaning of sport. Of course there has to be a loser for every game, and it sucks to be that loser, but that's not the measure of success. There are 64 teams in the Tournament. There are over 200 teams total that play Division 1 Basketball. Do not tell me those teams are all losers. It's not true. You cannot always be the best, and that's not the right goal to reach for. Only one team can take home a national title. And that's great, but every day struggles are just as important. Wisconsion - Milwakee beat two giants, Alabama and someone else I can't remember at the moment. What they did was amazing. They lost eventually, we all do. But that doesn't take away what they accomplished. One game does not define a season. One season does not define a program. You are no more than a fairweathered fan, an offense to sport.

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by Sharkie
I feel sorry for you. You don't know the true meaning of sport. Of course there has to be a loser for every game, and it sucks to be that loser, but that's not the measure of success. There are 64 teams in the Tournament. There are over 200 teams total that play Division 1 Basketball. Do not tell me those teams are all losers. It's not true. You cannot always be the best, and that's not the right goal to reach for. Only one team can take home a national title. And that's great, but every day struggles are just as important. Wisconsion - Milwakee beat two giants, Alabama and someone else I can't remember at the moment. What they did was amazing. They lost eventually, we all do. But that doesn't take away what they accomplished. One game does not define a season. One season does not define a program. You are no more than a fairweathered fan, an offense to sport.

Do you use your hands or a shovel to dish out that sanctimonious garbage? I don't need a lecture on the meaning of sport from you thank you very much and I certainly don't need your false pity.

1: We're not talking about UW-Milwaukee. We're not talking about an underdog with a nothing program doing the improbable. We're talking about the #1 team in the country for a large majority of the season, undefeated until their very last regular season game, who choked when it counted not ONCE, but TWICE.

2: A fairweathered fan is a fan only during the up times and I resent the implication that I am one. I am a proud New York Knicks fan and they stink butt. I am a proud New York Rangers fan and they stink even worse. I am a proud New York Giants fan and they, although on the rise, have been pathetic for the passed two seasons. The bright spot of last season was Eli Manning just walking onto the field. Are there goals for teams that don't necessarily involve winning? Yes, absolutely, but a loser is still a loser.

I honestly can't see why you have a problem with this or why you are so offended. The only thing I can think of is that you are incapable of seeing the grim reality... that winning really is the most important thing when it comes right down to it. People don't go to games to see their team lose and people who come away thinking "Well, that was a great effort" are just using that as a way to deal with the fact that they did. There is nothing wrong with that. One has to be able to move on and rebound and that is part of what defines the strength of people. People who can overcome adversity are people to be looked up to. If you lose one year, that should only strengthen your resolve to come back next year and devote yourself to taking the next step. Or, for those graduating seniors, you should use your experience to help you overcome adversities you face in life.

I'm not saying that to be a loser is some horrible brand on a person's forehead and these people should be shunned like lepers. But I am saying that they fell short. Professional athletes have lost their bids into the Hall of Fame because they never won a Championship. A winner is valued above all else in sports. This is a fact of life. Get over it and yourself.

[RedKgentleman]

NC all the way baby!!!!! Great season!

[TVHOG]

Backward Galaxy, you really need to think about your comments. You said Illinois should have destroyed Carolina. Huh? Yeah Illinois had a great season and should be commended for that. There coach is top notch and if they were playing anybody but my Tarheels, I would have pulled for them, but to say they should have destroyed UNC is just stupid. It all comes down to who plays better in that one game. UNC had a great game plan put together by Roy Williams and his assistants. They new that Illinois had no one who could stop Sean May and if May played the way he is capable of playing they would win. The fact is Carolina shot better that Illinois and played there but off on defense. Way to go Heels! And congrats to Illinois on a great season.

[TATEone]

Its been awhile since I have been on these boards, but I still just wanted to say HOW ABOUT DEM HEELS!!!!
To all the other Tarheels fans out there, we gotta enjoy this while we can cause next years team with look A LOT different. Anyways what a hell of a year it was!!!!!!!
2005 NCAA CHAMPIONS!!!!!!

[TVHOG]

Yeah Carolina could be playing in the NIT or worse next year if Felton, May, and Marvin Williams leave with McCants. Plus they lose Jawad and Scott to graduation. One good thing is that Chris Paul is leaving Wake (bad idea), so maybe we can atleast beat them. Oh well, until then: THE TARHEELS ARE #1 BABY!!!!